Jan. 21, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Ohio guy. | ||
| They're everywhere. | ||
| You Ohio folks stick together. | ||
| No messing around. | ||
| What is it about Ohio? | ||
| We live? | ||
| What is it about Ohio? | ||
| All you Ohio guys are like, Ohio? | ||
| We're Cleveland? | ||
| Columbus? | ||
| You guys all stick together. | ||
| That's it, man. | ||
| That's how we do it, man. | ||
| Just good people. | ||
| Even when you won the title. | ||
| You're like, Cleveland, we got a champ! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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OHIO. What is it about Ohio? | |
| Why does everybody love it so much? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just think it's the mentality of people. | ||
| The people are awesome. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's just hard to explain. | ||
| I think you just got to live there. | ||
| There's people that have lived in other states and moved to Cleveland or Ohio and they're like, man, I get it. | ||
| I see why you guys are so in-depth with each other. | ||
| You guys are awesome. | ||
| You guys love each other. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| It's like its own nation. | ||
| It is weird. | ||
| Columbus, in particular, is one of my favorite places to visit. | ||
| I get the weather sucks a lot. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| But the people are so damn nice. | ||
| Overall, it's a really good spot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Actually, I love Columbus, too. | ||
| I've had a bunch of blurry nights there. | ||
| Down there I went to Brothers and all that good stuff. | ||
| I love Columbus too. | ||
| Especially when we go down to Arnold and stuff like that. | ||
| Just checking it out. | ||
| They have a couple MMA fights. | ||
| And local shows too. | ||
| We have a lot of our coaches go down there for local MMA shows. | ||
| Remember when they used to do the UFC with the Columbus? | ||
| With the Arnold? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was a big event. | ||
| That was a big... | ||
| I wonder why that stopped. | ||
| That was always a lot of fun. | ||
| I remember the one time they had Strikeforce there. | ||
| That's when Ronda Rousey was like... | ||
| Pull the sucker up. | ||
| Sorry, I suck at this. | ||
| This is my first podcast. | ||
| Be gentle. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| How the fuck is a heavyweight champion of the world never been on a podcast before? | ||
| Well, I've been on a podcast over the phone, but not in studio. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I think Strikeforce is when Rousey and Tate fought and that's when she dislocated her elbow. | ||
| Was that one of them? | ||
| I think that was one of them. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Back in the day. | ||
| So what's it like walking around the UFC heavyweight champion in the world? | ||
| How's that feel? | ||
| Feels good. | ||
| It doesn't really matter my household. | ||
| I'm like fourth on the ladder. | ||
| It's my wife, then the two dogs, and then me. | ||
| I'm there just to pay bills. | ||
| It feels like that sometimes, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The money machine. | ||
| So, is everything good now? | ||
| You finally got a title fight. | ||
| You finally got a real challenger in Francis Ngano on January 20th. | ||
| How do you feel about this? | ||
| I think he's a great fighter. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| He brings it. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| But, unfortunately, nothing's going to change. | ||
| I'm walking out with the belt still wrapped on my waist. | ||
| You know, I'm excited for him. | ||
| He's getting a shot, but as long as I'm here, no one's going to be champ. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| You have to have that mentality. | ||
| What do you think about him that's unusual? | ||
| What about him, other than the size and the strength, what stands out? | ||
| I mean, it's power, I guess, you know, but I think everyone who's tired in the heavyweight division, I mean, 260-pound man, 250-pound man, I mean, you're not supposed to be hit by something like that. | ||
| You know, I fought JDS, I fought everyone else, and I fought Mark Hunt. | ||
| I mean, I got guys who, you know, do hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and... | ||
| He's a little wild too, which is tough. | ||
| Sometimes you can't prepare for that because there's punches you don't see. | ||
| Like the punch he hit Alistair with that wild left hook, swings wide. | ||
| I think that was a little bit on both ends. | ||
| I think Overeem was just kind of being a little sloppy and then put his face right in the lane. | ||
| Yeah, Overeem's got a weird style now, right? | ||
| It's a totally different style over the last couple of years, you know? | ||
| But he does awkward stuff. | ||
| You know, like, when you fought him, how did you feel? | ||
| Well, when I fought him, he was, like, very traditional, moving around, running, but, like, kept, you know, keeping his distance. | ||
| I'm like, alright, cool, it's a fight, you know? | ||
| And then he tried that lunging, I don't know what kind of kick to my thigh, and I grabbed it in time and took him down. | ||
| I didn't watch the whole fight with Nagano, but what I saw was he was doing all these wild punches. | ||
| When he fought me, he was throwing straights. | ||
| I think with Ngannou it was almost like he felt like he could not get hit, which was correct, right? | ||
| So he just decided to be just completely wild and unpredictable. | ||
| I mean he threw that wild lunging left hand to start the fight off and then got the clinch immediately, but wasn't able to do anything with it. | ||
| Yeah, I'll find out on January 20th. | ||
| I think I'll be alright, but I'm the best coach in the world. | ||
| I'm pretty confident walking in there. | ||
| He's a big dude, throws hard, but that's every heavyweight. | ||
| It doesn't take much. | ||
| Well, the only time we've seen him on his back was, which fight was it that he got taken down? | ||
| Was Curtis Blades taking him down? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was his first UFC fight, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was an interesting fight, right? | ||
| You got a chance to see. | ||
| But it's hard to see when a guy's really young in MMA. It's hard to see a fight from three years ago, or whatever that was, and then look at him and say, well, that's the same guy today. | ||
| Because it's not, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I've definitely changed him the past couple months. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| You know, I think he's definitely gotten better. | ||
| There's no question. | ||
| But, you know, we'll see what happens. | ||
| Listen, I'm going out there for broke. | ||
| I'm going out there to win. | ||
| You always do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, this is January 20th, and right now, what was this, December 13th or something? | ||
| No, the second. | ||
| Yeah, it was December 2nd. | ||
| No, today's not the second. | ||
| Oh, today I'm talking about their fight. | ||
| Oh, no, today. | ||
| The 13th, yeah. | ||
| So, like, how much time did you have to prep for this? | ||
| Well, I've been prepping. | ||
| I've been working out. | ||
| I've been, you know, staying in shape. | ||
| So did you have a feeling that January was going to be the card? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like, when the UFC lets you know, how do they do that? | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| Usually contact my manager, like, hey, you know, that's what we're thinking. | ||
| You know, do you think you'll be ready? | ||
| I was a little beat up after the JDS fight with my shin and everything. | ||
| Not just my shin, but I had other things and just had to heal up. | ||
| It took me a while. | ||
| Everyone thinks I'm just trying to hold on to the belt. | ||
| Who the fuck says that? | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Fuck them. | ||
| Don't listen to that. | ||
| Don't even respond. | ||
| I don't respond. | ||
| I think it's funny. | ||
| I think it's great. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| You fought everybody. | ||
| Yeah, it is what it is. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| I can't make everyone happy. | ||
| But yeah, I was beat up a little bit and just had a lot going on. | ||
| So now, here we are. | ||
| The JDS fight was interesting, right? | ||
| Because that shin was swelling up hardcore, man. | ||
| Yeah, I couldn't believe that. | ||
| I felt fine. | ||
| Also, I'm like, man, it doesn't feel right. | ||
| I could feel the rush of blood in my shin. | ||
| And I'm like, hmm. | ||
| They kicked me again. | ||
| I'm like, I checked it. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, that hurt. | ||
| I gotta end this. | ||
| And so I was like chasing them down and finding my opportunity and thank God I got it. | ||
| It's so interesting that after all these years in MMA, a new trend surfaces and that trend is the low lead kick. | ||
| The low leg kick to the shin and the calf area is devastating. | ||
| Benson Henderson, I think, was the first guy to really bring it to the UFC and really make it a big part of his arsenal. | ||
| But you're seeing it with so many guys now. | ||
| The low leg kick is just a giant technique. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| It fucking sucks, right? | ||
| Well, you can't condition that part of your leg. | ||
| It's not the same. | ||
| I think some people are different. | ||
| Some people, it's going to be real bad, I think. | ||
| For me, it sucked. | ||
| It was terrible. | ||
| Going up the stairs after that fight was the hardest thing ever. | ||
| Yeah, it almost looked like your leg was broken. | ||
| It swole up so quick, I was wondering if the fibula was cracked or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, my doctor actually was super pumped about it because he was like, oh my god, look how deep this bone bruise is. | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
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He was so pumped, yeah. | |
| He used to train with us, so he's a good dude, and he just loved it. | ||
| He showed my coach, and my coach was like, oh, that's awesome. | ||
| So what, did he put it on an MRI or something like that? | ||
| Yeah, he took an x-ray, I think it was an x-ray or something like that, and he saw the pictures, and he's like, man, this is a deep bone bruise. | ||
| This is as deep as you get. | ||
| It's pretty bad. | ||
| Yeah, it's amazing to me that, you know, you think of all the techniques in martial arts, that this technique becomes like a prominent technique in 2016, 2017. Yeah, you know, I'm still trying to work on my jab. | ||
| You know, that's what I'm working on right now in 2016. So over that, it takes off for a while. | ||
| No, but yeah, it's funny how, you know, mixed martial arts, there's one thing and then like, you know, when it started, you know, there was one guy who's a wrestler, one guy with jiu-jitsu, one guy. | ||
| Now it's... | ||
| You know trending and trending more and more and then you know you got guys who like you know sprawl and brawl or Yeah, it's just crazy watching how the sport evolves. | ||
| It's amazing actually well you you're an interesting case because you're a guy who does everything right you're not a One sports specialist like you didn't come in as a kickboxing champ like Overeem or like Mark Hunt You know you you came into the sport with everything you know you're you're one of the new guys We're essentially you know you're you do everything you know you're not you're not a specialist Yeah, I think so. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I wrestled my whole life. | ||
| And then, you know, actually, it was my coach, actually, who made it better. | ||
| Because when I started training with mixed martial arts, he literally was like, I would take everyone down. | ||
| I'm like, oh, this is easy. | ||
| He's like, no, no, no, Migo. | ||
| He's like, every time you take someone down, I'm going to stand right back up. | ||
| So you got to learn how to fight. | ||
| I'm like, oh. | ||
| And I just got the crappy out of me for, you know, a while until I started, like, learning how to use my hands better. | ||
| And then, you know, I took a little time off just to go and go to boxing. | ||
| And, you know, here we are. | ||
| When did you start? | ||
| MMA? Yeah. | ||
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Oof. | |
| Ten years ago. | ||
| Ten years. | ||
| Nine years ago. | ||
| That's not that long when you think about it. | ||
| Now you're the UFC heavyweight champ. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I took a year and a half off just for boxing. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Just to learn how to use your hands better. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's probably a good move, right? | ||
| That was great. | ||
| Probably the best move I did. | ||
| Especially coming in with a wrestling background. | ||
| But you have an overall athletic background, too. | ||
| You played baseball. | ||
| You were a multi-sport guy. | ||
| Yeah, I tried. | ||
| I tried, but yeah, I definitely wrestle a lot. | ||
| The wrestling does help me out in MMA. Sure, of course. | ||
| I always use that. | ||
| I think baseball definitely helps me out, too, just because of the reaction and the way I use my hips and stuff like that. | ||
| It definitely helps me with my martial arts. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine. | ||
| You know, I think that having a bunch of different skills, like, have you, I'm sure you're a boxing fan, did you watch the Lomachenko? | ||
| Yeah, that guy's fucking amazing. | ||
| Oh, I swear. | ||
| Oh yeah, you swear? | ||
| Go fucking crazy. | ||
| Fuck your cockballs, okay, I'm good. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| I mean, what I thought was fascinating about the commentary, they were talking about how his dad made him take four years off and just do Ukrainian dancing. | ||
| That's how he got his footwork. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His father said, you want to be a fighter? | ||
| He goes, well, you're going to take four years off of fighting and just learn traditional Ukrainian dancing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, his fucking father's a wizard, man. | ||
| I mean, he did something, right? | ||
| He nailed it. | ||
| He nailed it. | ||
| And, you know, they asked his dad, like, when did you know that he was going to be the champion? | ||
| He said, before he was conceived. | ||
| Like, holy shit. | ||
| That's some Russian shit right there. | ||
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That's some Ukrainian dark Soviet Union type shit. | |
| Watch that guy. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Dude, watching that dude, honestly, it's like poetry. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's just, he's like... | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Even body shots. | ||
| He slides out of the way of body shots. | ||
| He slides out of the way of body shots the way a Muay Thai guy slides away from leg kicks. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| He just moves so much different than anybody I've ever seen box before. | ||
| And then his last four opponents, the coach just threw the towel in. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fuck this. | ||
| Fuck this! | ||
| This is terrible! | ||
| If I was throwing that dude, I'd be like, I'm done. | ||
| Not even when I walk in the ring. | ||
| Not even when I walk around in, I'm like, we're going to call it day. | ||
| I'm wondering, but I think he's one of those guys that's like a bar raiser, right? | ||
| Like where he's just raised the bar, where people look at what footwork is and they look at that guy and go, okay, this is not just like moving around a lot. | ||
| Everything's so purposeful. | ||
| Like when he turned around him, when... | ||
| Rigondial, he put his hand on his head and then spun all the way around him. | ||
| Rigondial's like, what in the fuck is going on here? | ||
| And he's a smaller guy, and he's like, what's going on? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's crazy, mind-blowing. | ||
| Yeah, because it's not like he got outstruck by a bigger, heavier power puncher. | ||
| No, he got the shitboxed out of him. | ||
| He was just pop-pop, double jab, pop-pop. | ||
| Oh, where is he? | ||
| He's over here. | ||
| Crazy! | ||
| I mean, just, like, watching that guy, I mean, sorry, I'm trying to get comfortable here. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, just, that guy, it's like, I'm so happy to be, like, alive to watch this. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you're like, I was there, you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just, I watch videos on that guy all the time. | ||
| Yeah, there he is right there. | ||
| I mean, just, the fucking guy barely gets hit. | ||
| I mean, there's no one like him in boxing, because what he's doing is he's standing literally right in front of you, and he's unavailable. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's not like he's dancing all over the place and moving away. | ||
| He's doing some shit, and he's doing it in a way that nobody else is doing. | ||
| Like, Floyd had a lot of shoulder rolls, and he's slick as fuck, and Floyd stands right in front of you, too, and he ties people up and shit. | ||
| But what Lomachenko's doing is just some total next-level shit. | ||
| Yeah, he does a lot of very interesting stuff. | ||
| But I'm wondering if we're going to see this in the future now. | ||
| Obviously, when Ali came along, a bunch of guys started imitating Ali. | ||
| When Tyson came along, a bunch of guys tried to imitate Tyson. | ||
| You always see that. | ||
| I wonder how many guys are going to figure out a way to take that to the next level. | ||
| Yeah, I think some guys are gonna take it to like, not to that. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if everyone's gonna catch that level. | ||
| That's just... | ||
| Well that, you know what the next level is? | ||
| That, but with like Roy Jones Jr. power. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like if someone figures out a way to move like that, with that kind of footwork, but that one punch, go to sleep, you know, knockout power. | ||
| That'd be sick. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably the next level. | ||
| Hopefully I'm alive for that too. | ||
| We'll see it. | ||
| I mean, this is an amazing time for all combat sports, I think. | ||
| I think the bar, like, I think with all sports, right, like if you look back at the olden days, you look back at today, the athletes are bigger, they don't know how to train better, they're faster. | ||
| But I think anywhere that's more apparent than MMA. I feel like MMA is like the best example because it's so new. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| And like you said, it's always something that's always evolving. | ||
| Like, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, what was it? | ||
| John Jones usually had a teep to the thigh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like that, you know, a couple years ago. | ||
| And then everyone started doing it. | ||
| And then, you know, like Benz and Henderson doing the thing. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Just, I don't know. | ||
| I just love it because it's always evolving. | ||
| You literally cannot take, like, two months off. | ||
| And if you do, people are going to pass you off. | ||
| Yeah, and it's interesting too, it's like there's different schools of thought, right? | ||
| There's like the AKA school where you have all these killers in one room, and you have like world champions beating up world champions, and then you have your gym, which is much more specialized. | ||
| You know, it's like you're the big guy to emerge from your gym, and then it's been Jessica Ai and some other high-level MMA fighters coming out of your gym. | ||
| But that's a, like a lot of people think that's the way to go, to have specialized training like Max Holloway has. | ||
| Specialized training where you're not dealing with a bunch of people that are already champs. | ||
| You're building champs. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| My gym's awesome. | ||
| My coach, Marcus Marinelli, it's all homegrown, man. | ||
| Guys come in and he just makes them better. | ||
| I don't get any specialized training like anyone else. | ||
| Everything's pushed aside. | ||
| If the dude's got a fight, they're going first, then I go. | ||
| I'm not better than anyone else. | ||
| Yes, I'm a heavyweight champ. | ||
| I don't look at it that way. | ||
| I look at it like, alright, you've got a fight coming up. | ||
| You go first. | ||
| I'll push my training back later. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| It's just great watching our gym. | ||
| Guys coming in, they're like, oh yeah, I want to train. | ||
| A few months later, these guys are killers. | ||
| You're like, Jesus. | ||
| We have a kid named Lexi, a 205 pounder. | ||
| Kid's an animal. | ||
| He keeps me young. | ||
| He's just turned pro. | ||
| He won his third pro fight. | ||
| I'm like, god dang. | ||
| I come in some days, I'm like... | ||
| Isn't it interesting how there's guys like that in the gym and then for whatever reason it never clicks for them? | ||
| Like there's some guys that are just so insanely talented, but they just don't have whatever it is, whether it's focus, whether it's the discipline to keep going when things get weird, to just finally realize their potential. | ||
| Like what separates a guy like that, that's like a gym killer, from a guy like you who can perform under the bright lights? | ||
| You know, when I was fighting at UFC, I don't mean the whole story here, but when I was fighting, I was like 9-0, I lost to Struve, and I thought I was unstoppable, and then Struve beat me. | ||
| I'm like, I almost didn't want to fight anymore. | ||
| I was like, I don't know if I'm ready for this anymore, and then Came back, fought Roy Nelson, had a couple more fights, and then I lost to JDS. And literally, when I walked in the back locker room, I was just like, I'm down. | ||
| I'm like, I don't even care anymore. | ||
| I don't even care what happens. | ||
| I'm going to go out there, I'm going to train, and all I'm going to do is put it all out there. | ||
| If I'm going to win, I'm going to lose. | ||
| I don't really care. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| But I'm going to go out there and get my damnedest to win. | ||
| And I'm going to do whatever I'm going to do. | ||
| I just don't care. | ||
| So something switched in your head. | ||
| You can kind of see it. | ||
| One of the things I've always said about you, when you walk out to fights and during the stare down, you're stoic. | ||
| You give them dead eyes. | ||
| You're just like, you're there, here we go. | ||
| Like when you fought Verdum, when you fought Verdum in Brazil and knocked him out in the first round. | ||
| It's like, you look at your face while you're standing there. | ||
| It's like, you might be waiting in line at the fucking car wash. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, you could be anywhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're not mean mugging him. | ||
| You almost got like that Fedor face going on. | ||
| Where you're just like, here we are. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I think I get that dead face from when my wife yells at me. | ||
| I just looked at a lot of like, I just stopped carrying them. | ||
| I'm like, you know what? | ||
| I'm not going to get emotional about stuff. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| All I care about is I'm married. | ||
| I got a beautiful wife. | ||
| She takes care of me. | ||
| End of the day, no matter what happens in this fight game, she's going to be there for me. | ||
| She likes me for who I am. | ||
| Not because I fight. | ||
| She likes me because I make her laugh. | ||
| I do good things for her. | ||
| She does good things. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Just like a marriage should be. | ||
| She was there before all this stuff happened. | ||
| She's not like a... | ||
| What do they call it? | ||
| What's the word? | ||
| Gold digger? | ||
| There we go. | ||
| I couldn't think of that. | ||
| I'm an idiot. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| She's been there the whole time. | ||
| That's what I love about her. | ||
| So you're anchored. | ||
| Yeah, and I just stopped caring. | ||
| I was like, who cares? | ||
| If I lose, I lose. | ||
| But I'm very competitive, so I'm gonna go out there and do whatever I gotta do to win. | ||
| Yeah, Randy Couture said that once. | ||
| He was talking to young fighters, and he was saying, you can't be worried about losing. | ||
| The people who love you are always gonna love you. | ||
| You're not gonna lose anything. | ||
| You're just gonna lose a contest. | ||
| And if you're entering into something like a mixed martial arts fight, someone's gotta win and someone's gonna lose. | ||
| And you gotta learn from those losses. | ||
| Some of those losses, that devastating feeling, like I'm sure was there for you after this true fight, the rebuild from that is what makes real champions. | ||
| It helped a little bit. | ||
| I actually took my mom there. | ||
| She didn't go to the fight. | ||
| She never seen me fight. | ||
| In London, they got those big double-decker buses. | ||
| So we're going back, and my head's like, it's throbbing. | ||
| I'm like, oh, God, this sucks. | ||
| I'm driving back, and my codes are next to me. | ||
| He's trying to make me laugh. | ||
| We're all sitting there talking. | ||
| I look out the window at the hotel, and my mom's smoking cigarette. | ||
| She's like... | ||
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I look to my buddies, and I'm like, am I in fucking high school right now? | |
| Who does that? | ||
| That right there made me feel better. | ||
| Like you said, no matter what happens, You know, always going to be... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, someone's going to be... | ||
| No matter what happens, they're going to love you no matter what. | ||
| Yeah, your family's always your family. | ||
| Your friends are always your friends. | ||
| And if they're not, they were never really your friends in the first place. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You're probably better off that way. | ||
| Sometimes it's good to have some losses, just so you realize who's just going to abandon you. | ||
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Yeah, right. | |
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| So, do you have any mental coaching? | ||
| Do you do anything like that? | ||
| I did for a little bit back in the day. | ||
| After... | ||
| Was that the shoe fight? | ||
| I think it was the shoe fight. | ||
| I talked to a sports psychologist, which it turned into about a minute talking about fighting. | ||
| The next was about my personal life. | ||
| It had nothing to do with sports. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Just all I talked about. | ||
| It was just about half an hour. | ||
| I did it a few times and I walked there every time. | ||
| And that's when I started getting that mentality. | ||
| Why do I care anymore? | ||
| I just stopped caring. | ||
| I don't care anymore. | ||
| What was he trying to... | ||
| She, she. | ||
| She, sorry. | ||
| I'm a sexist. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| I immediately assumed he's an expert. | ||
| Must be a man. | ||
| How could a woman know anything? | ||
| Such a piece of shit I am. | ||
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I love you. | |
| But when you think about, like, that's a critical component in keeping your mental state together, right? | ||
| That's one of the things that a lot of people will talk about, like having a good support group around you, having a support system, family, friends, real loved ones. | ||
| So in her examining that, do you think she was trying to, like, reinforce, like, what matters and what's important? | ||
| You know, I never actually thought about it that way. | ||
| Maybe she's just nosy. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| But I've known her. | ||
| I've known her for a while. | ||
| But I thought about it. | ||
| But we just started talking. | ||
| And she'd be like, so, let's talk. | ||
| And I started talking about fighting. | ||
| I'm like, yo, this and that. | ||
| And then I'd be like, yo, my girlfriend. | ||
| The girl at the time was like, she's doing this to me. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And she's like, She's like, psycho. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But when I walked down, I felt so much better. | ||
| Not even just because of the funny. | ||
| I think I needed to clear all that stuff out. | ||
| I just needed to get my mind straight. | ||
| They say that for people who go to shrinks. | ||
| Like if you go to a psychiatrist. | ||
| I've never gone. | ||
| But if you go, the best thing is just to talk about it. | ||
| Most people just keep things bottled up inside. | ||
| They don't have anybody to talk to about a lot of the shit that's going on inside their head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was my problem when I was younger, actually. | ||
| Especially my wife. | ||
| The one thing that made us better was that I had to communicate. | ||
| She'd get mad at me and be like... | ||
| He just bottled up. | ||
| Finally, one day, I'd be like... | ||
| She's like, whoa, whoa. | ||
| That was like two weeks ago. | ||
| Calm down, dude. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| I was like, well, you told me that. | ||
| Now it's just talking to that lady and just opening up more. | ||
| When something bothers me, she hates it now because I'm like, listen... | ||
| You know, you need to do this. | ||
| Like, you know, she'll go, oh, what's up, tough guy? | ||
| Now, you're a full-time firefighter, too, as well as being the UFC heavyweight champion. | ||
| How do you balance that? | ||
| Well, I'm part-time, actually, at two departments. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| You know, but it's just tough, because being full-time, you know, I didn't get hired full-time, so I couldn't, you know, it'd be tough to do both. | ||
| You know, if I did before, it'd be a lot easier, but I can't just take a test because you have to do probation year-long, and then you can't fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So while you're fighting, you work part-time, and do you have it set up where, you know, like you tell them in advance, like, hey, I got a January 20th fight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I already picked my schedule. | ||
| So a month in advance, like, one station, I pick it within the first week. | ||
| I pick my whole month, and then the next station, we go, like, seniority. | ||
| So when I come up, I pick my schedule, so I make sure that, you know, It's already picked out. | ||
| So I literally work probably five times in about two weeks. | ||
| 12 hour shifts. | ||
| How much does that get in the way of your training? | ||
| Never. | ||
| Never? | ||
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No. | |
| How does that work? | ||
| Just the way I pick my schedule. | ||
| If I had to do, I could trade someone or someone's coming in. | ||
| I make it work. | ||
| And they're amazing people. | ||
| Both stations are amazing. | ||
| The chiefs are great. | ||
| The guys that work, I mean, actually a lot of them are coming to the fight January 20th. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's an interesting thing about firefighters is that a lot of times you get those 24-hour shifts, you know, and where, you know, you get a chance to work out, you can cook, you know, hanging out with guys. | ||
| It's like once the duties are done around the firehouse, right? | ||
| Yeah, I play a lot of Call of Duty. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They're losing a 10-year-old kid. | ||
| It's a crazy job because when you have to do something, what you have to do is so extreme and what's demanded of you is just insane. | ||
| I'm sure you've been paying attention to what's going on just a few miles from here in Ventura. | ||
| It's out of control. | ||
| You know what's crazy is that we just went past, was it Getty Boulevard? | ||
| Yeah, Getty Center. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| It looked like it was like Armageddon. | ||
| And then we just passed it today and it was like burnt. | ||
| It was nuts. | ||
| Like a couple days ago, that's what it would look like. | ||
| It was like shocking. | ||
| Well, LA's a fucking mess. | ||
| You know, the beautiful thing about California is we don't have any weather. | ||
| It never rains. | ||
| But the terrible thing is, once it gets crispy, and the other night, you know, when this was all happening, I was at my house, and the wind was blowing like ridiculous. | ||
| They were calling it a dry hurricane, because the wind was so crazy. | ||
| Trees were falling down all over the place. | ||
| And the thought was, man, if a fire gets lit here, we're fucked. | ||
| And then, boom, they start popping up. | ||
| It was a natural? | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think there's a lot of psychos out there. | ||
| I think there's a lot of fucking people that recognize these are crazy fire conditions, and they just want to light something on fire, and they do, and they step away, and then next thing you know, it's a 300,000 acre fire. | ||
| There's accidents for sure, but I think for sure some of this is arson. | ||
| That was within a day or two of all those ones burning. | ||
| Yeah, how is that possible? | ||
| That's kind of weird. | ||
| Yeah, there's a bunch of fucking psychos out there. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| I think there's definitely some accidents and obviously those winds exacerbate anything that would have been a small fire. | ||
| Like there was a small fire in my neighborhood a couple months ago. | ||
| But it wasn't windy, and the firefighters jumped on it quick, and they put the house down. | ||
| But, man, when the winds were the way they were, you were having chunks of embers that were flying six, seven hundred yards away, flying through the air, this and that, and everywhere. | ||
| There was no way they could stay on top of it. | ||
| Yeah, that's scary. | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| We have brush fires. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's the good thing about Ohio. | ||
| Yeah, right now, I think we've got six or seven inches of snow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, listen man, snow, you just need snow tires. | ||
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That's it. | |
| You know, warm clothes, snow tires, you're good. | ||
| Fucking firestorm, it's not good. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's like, oh God, that's scary, man. | ||
| Like, just reading about it and just seeing it and just seeing the pictures, just, you know, you feel terrible for the people. | ||
| You know, we actually have friends in San Diego, they had to get evacuated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They said there was an 85% chance that their house would be gone. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| They came back and within a tenth of a mile, the fire stopped. | ||
| They got lucky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've been evacuated twice. | ||
| That's scary. | ||
| Yeah, it's scary, but, you know, you just gotta get out quick, throw the dogs in the back, let's go, fuck it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| You know, part of it's like cleansing. | ||
| Like, all that stuff in your house is not you. | ||
| Your fucking TV or your clothes, that's not you. | ||
| You're you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You'll be all right. | ||
| It's a much holistic thing. | ||
| I always buy a new one. | ||
| Yeah, just fucking stay with your grandmother for a while. | ||
| You'd be fine. | ||
| Everybody will live. | ||
| As long as you get out, you're alright. | ||
| You'll rebuild, get back. | ||
| Sometimes it's a, I mean, it's not a good thing to lose everything that you work for, but sometimes it's a good thing to know that you are vulnerable. | ||
| You know, like in these fires, like I think, it's one thing that LA is missing, is humility that's brought on by the weather. | ||
| Like, you know how it is in Cleveland, when it fucking snows, right? | ||
| When it snows out, and it's thick, There's that feeling in the air where everybody calms down, right? | ||
| Everybody's like, okay. | ||
| There's no one driving like a fucking crazy psychopath when it's snow. | ||
| Everybody's going real kind of slow, slow and steady. | ||
| Your back tires are kicking out a little bit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That keeps people humble. | ||
| Yeah, we actually... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| The weekend of... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| Which one? | ||
| New York, Madison Square Garden. | ||
| Which one was it? | ||
| UFC what? | ||
| UFC. What was that? | ||
| What number was that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| 2-11? | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Whatever it was. | ||
| So I'm coming home. | ||
| My wife's like, hey, you know, there's a huge storm coming. | ||
| She's like, you know, I'm like, cool. | ||
| She calls me again. | ||
| At my house, we have actually a built-in generator, so if the power goes out, Oh, that's nice. | ||
| So I'm like, sweet, dude, awesome. | ||
| So every Saturday I would hear it kick on. | ||
| I'm like, awesome, this thing works great. | ||
| Of course, the time it needs to work, the power goes out, it's dead. | ||
| So the battery busted on it. | ||
| So we came home, and I came home, and I flew home that night, and it was like a zombie apocalypse, man. | ||
| It was like stuff everywhere. | ||
| It was all dark. | ||
| There was trees on top of everything. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| And then they said like 15 tornadoes touched down between Indiana, Ohio, and PA. And so we came to my house and it was like, I have one big tree in my yard. | ||
| I have eight and a half acres. | ||
| I have one big tree. | ||
| That magically got split in half. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Then our barn, we have a barn. | ||
| It has like a little softener on the side. | ||
| That all, like half of it got ripped down. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| I mean, it was like... | ||
| We had a gazebo that got ripped down. | ||
| It's humbling. | ||
| Yeah, but like you said, it's humbling because we're not safe. | ||
| But at least we found out that the generator didn't work. | ||
| Now we're good. | ||
| Because it actually worked the other day. | ||
| It was so windy that the power went out and it actually kicked down. | ||
| I was like, oh, good. | ||
| Yeah, there's something that's comforting about hearing that. | ||
| When I lived in Colorado, we had a generator. | ||
| The power would go out and you're like, ooh, I'm okay. | ||
| I'm safe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are you handy? | ||
| Do you fix shit? | ||
| Oh, God, no. | ||
| I have a buddy, Rick. | ||
| Actually, he was over the other day. | ||
| I was like, hey. | ||
| He said, what's that, man? | ||
| I'm like, hey. | ||
| I'm like, what are you doing? | ||
| He's like, I'm going to your house. | ||
| I'm like, uh, what? | ||
| He's like, yeah, I talked to you. | ||
| I actually need you to fix something. | ||
| I'm like, all right, cool. | ||
| I'll see you at the gym. | ||
| So he comes over and does that for me. | ||
| I mean, I do help him out, but it's mostly, it's all him. | ||
| You're lucky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Lucky to know somebody who can fix shit. | ||
| Yeah, I'm terrible at that stuff, man. | ||
| I'm like, I make it worse. | ||
| Well, especially if you live in a place like where there's fucking tornadoes. | ||
| Like, can you, is there a tornado-proof house? | ||
| Can you make a house, like, remember, like, three little pigs? | ||
| You remember? | ||
| Like, the guy with the bricks. | ||
| You can make a little shelter in the ground, I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know, I don't, like a little, I don't know. | ||
| Like, little doors. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Right, like Wizard of Oz type shit. | ||
| I guess, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you'd have to make something that, like, was underground, right? | ||
| Like, some underground. | ||
| Did dudes have that? | ||
| Remember when we were kids, like, a lot of guys had, like, not a lot of guys, but people were talking about building bomb shelters in their backyard? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was like a big thing. | ||
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It's kind of like that. | |
| Yeah, yeah, kind of like that thing, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, my basement's pretty... | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| It's got a few, like, center block windows, like the... | ||
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Right. | |
| Whatever. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| So you probably survived down there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Very good. | |
| Plus, we have, like, a little area, too, with, like, with the... | ||
| The furnace and stuff so we can hide in there. | ||
| Do you work out at home at all? | ||
| No. | ||
| Actually, I have a 3,000 square foot barn with radiant heat, so it's warm all year round. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| Everyone's like, dude, you should put a cage in there. | ||
| I'm like, hell no. | ||
| This is my sanctuary. | ||
| This is where I go and I watch TV and I relax and I do fun stuff. | ||
| No, I'm not bringing anything. | ||
| My wife does. | ||
| My wife, she has some Onnit stuff. | ||
| We have her little kettlebells. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably a good attitude, right? | ||
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To burn it all out in the gym and then home is peace. | |
| Yep. | ||
| I mean, well, it's peaceful as it can be, you know, if I piss off the wife and it's not so peaceful. | ||
| How do you relax? | ||
| Like, when you're the UFC heavyweight champion in the world, like, that's a tremendous amount of pressure and stress. | ||
| Play some Call of Duty. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Just hang out. | ||
| Honestly, I just chill. | ||
| I don't do much. | ||
| Like, you know, John Vellante? | ||
| I'm him. | ||
| I play with him online with a bunch of guys from New York. | ||
| We just sit there and talk smack, talk shit to little kids and make yourself feel better, you know? | ||
| Imagine you're playing online, Call of Duty, and the UFC Heavyweight Champion's talking shit to you. | ||
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What the fuck? | |
| My buddy was actually, we were playing one time with Nate, and he's like, the guy's like, come over and kick your ass. | ||
| My buddy's like, just let me do it. | ||
| I'm like, shh, don't you fucking say a word. | ||
| I'm like, just let him have his moment. | ||
| Come over and kick your ass. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| I mean, it's so funny to get direct messages and stuff like that. | ||
| You're a terrible person. | ||
| They're threatening you? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You're such a noob, and you're like, I don't know where you live, but I fucking find you and I kill you. | ||
| I'm like, ugh. | ||
| It's so funny. | ||
| Imagine the thought that would go through their head if they found out who the fuck they were talking to. | ||
| Well, the horror. | ||
| When you hear some 14-year-old shit-talking kid, I'll fucking come to your house, stick my dick in your mouth. | ||
| You find out you're talking to the UFC heavyweight champ. | ||
| You're like, oh Jesus. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, Jesus, Lord. | ||
| What have I done? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember we were in Vegas, funny like that. | ||
| Some guy had no idea. | ||
| Not being taught this shit, but we went to a Bud Light party, and we went up to this one mansion. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| We were having fun. | ||
| They had a bunch of different Elvis Presleys, whatever. | ||
| They had all these models they hired. | ||
| Some with my wife, and we're hanging out. | ||
| And I'm sitting there just looking straight, not looking around, because there's a lot of good-looking girls. | ||
| I'm like, this... | ||
| You know, and so anyway, I'm like, do you want anything? | ||
| I'm gonna go get some macaroni and cheese. | ||
| She's like, yeah, because they're like, very randomly, I'll never forget that macaroni and cheese. | ||
| I wanted to go get some macaroni and cheese, and I came back, and she was talking to my wife, and I'm like, hmm. | ||
| So I'm like, He turns around and he's like, I'm so sorry, I didn't know! | ||
| He was being nice. | ||
| My wife was like, he was being nice. | ||
| He just asked me what I was doing. | ||
| But he had no idea that I was with her. | ||
| Yeah, what a disaster. | ||
| Yeah, it was actually pretty funny. | ||
| That guy really pissed his pants. | ||
| It was the greatest thing ever. | ||
| Do people treat you any different around the fire station or is it pretty normal? | ||
| It's gotten worse. | ||
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Worse? | |
| Yeah, they treat me like garbage. | ||
| I always say they give me a plunger, like, hey, go to Town Champ. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, they don't care. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| Yeah, but they're good guys. | ||
| I mean, I love them. | ||
| Both stations, they're just, you know, Oakland and Valley View, those guys are just good guys. | ||
| They're just always, you know, like they actually, when I fought in Brazil, so they couldn't go to a fight, so they flew to Vegas and had their own watch party in Vegas to watch the fight. | ||
| How convenient. | ||
| They couldn't stay in Ohio. | ||
| They had to go to Vegas. | ||
| Yeah, honey, I gotta go to Vegas to support Stipe. | ||
| He's fighting in Vegas? | ||
| No, no, no, he's in Brazil, but the hookers are in Vegas. | ||
| I gotta go where I gotta go. | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean, honestly, they're great guys. | ||
| I mean, they're just... | ||
| You know, as I, you know, became champ, they were okay. | ||
| I felt bad for them, though, because, like, literally, so I, you won the title on Saturday, I flew in on Monday, I got home Monday, and I think worked Wednesday at the one station, and literally, like, everyone found out, and that phone did not stop ringing in the doorbell, and they were, like, looking at me, like, are you serious, you motherfucker? | ||
| We're supposed to be taking naps right now, like, you know, ding dong, ding dong. | ||
| Where's the champ? | ||
| Oh, I was so, I felt so, like, they understood, but I felt really bad, because, like, I wanted to relax, too, you know? | ||
| Didn't they have, like, a little parade for you? | ||
| Yeah, um, Yeah, not a little parade. | ||
| Yeah, I'm joking. | ||
| It was big. | ||
| Yeah, it was pretty big. | ||
| 1.3 million or 6 million. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it was nuts. | ||
| It was so hot, too. | ||
| UFC's like, hey, dude, here's a jersey. | ||
| I'm like, are you serious right now? | ||
| You want me to wear this black jersey right now? | ||
| Oh, they wanted to wear one of them Reebok kits? | ||
| Yeah, it was so hot. | ||
| It was like 90 degrees. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| I was struggling. | ||
| It was so bad. | ||
| But honestly, it was cool, man. | ||
| Everyone's screaming. | ||
| It was so many people. | ||
| It was great to see. | ||
| There it is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, you're sweating like a pig. | ||
| That was so bad. | ||
| Is it weird, like, walking around the street now? | ||
| Like, what is normal life for you? | ||
| Normal? | ||
| Normal, man. | ||
| Everyone's so nice. | ||
| They don't, like, render me like, oh, what's up, man? | ||
| They're just like, hey, good to see you, champ. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| Do you think there's any benefit in keeping a day job? | ||
| Do you think, like, in any way it's, like, good for your head or anything? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I definitely think so. | ||
| I think it keeps me grounded because, you know, we don't always talk about fighting, you know, but like it just, you know, other things to worry about. | ||
| I don't have to worry about fighting and this and that. | ||
| Keeps my mind off of it. | ||
| But I think also, too, there's always a plan B, you know. | ||
| I feel like I could walk out of here, trip or fall, and break my hand and never fight again. | ||
| You just never know. | ||
| So that's why you keep the job? | ||
| A little bit, but I really work hard and make my mom proud. | ||
| Plus, I love helping people. | ||
| My whole life, like I said, I've always been helped. | ||
| Because I was thinking about being a Coast Guard, a police officer, and my buddies were like, dude, check out the fireman, dude. | ||
| It's a great job. | ||
| I looked at him like, yeah. | ||
| Get full-time, 24-hour, 48-off? | ||
| That's awesome, man. | ||
| Who would want to do that? | ||
| But some people would say, to be at the top of your game, you literally must devote all of your time to it, all the time. | ||
| And that you wouldn't have enough time... | ||
| To work a regular job. | ||
| I mean, I make it work, man. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I work a lot of Sundays. | ||
| I do 24 hours on Sundays. | ||
| So if you just hit the lottery tomorrow and you got $100 million, you'd quit. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| Who wouldn't? | ||
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Who wouldn't? | |
| But that's the point. | ||
| What if, say, you continue your title run and you make more and more money, become a giant superstar like you deserve to be, and you start making those Conor McGregor checks? | ||
| You're gonna keep that job? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I will, yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, no, if I win a lot of- You're gonna get a lot of hit-ups for loans. | ||
| This is gonna happen. | ||
| Trust me. | ||
| I've already been there, done that. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| It's so bad. | ||
| I'm like, it's like my family. | ||
| I'm like, bro. | ||
| My family don't even bother me. | ||
| I'm like, this is great. | ||
| But like, friends and stuff, I'm like, Jesus, really? | ||
| They want loans, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That you know are not loans. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nobody's ever paying you back. | ||
| I get out one loan. | ||
| The only one I've ever get out, and it came back. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It came back, yeah. | ||
| You got lucky. | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| Actually, it's that guy that looks like my brother with the mustache. | ||
| Steak and potatoes. | ||
| You know what I'm talking about? | ||
| My coach. | ||
| Oh, oh. | ||
| The guy with the mustache that last night we were talking about. | ||
| This is when Schwab was here and what's his other buddy's name? | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Brian Callen? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who's that? | ||
| His brother or something? | ||
| Remember in the Cajun? | ||
| Oh, right, right, right, right, right. | ||
| He actually started his own business to help them out. | ||
| He's the only guy I trust. | ||
| Well, that's someone that you're close to. | ||
| But it's always people that you're kind of like in the periphery that have some stupid business idea that can't go wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It can't go wrong. | ||
| Those people are my favorite. | ||
| This can't miss. | ||
| Yeah, I don't play that game. | ||
| Plus, my wife is someone pretty much in charge of the money. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| You have, like, removal from it. | ||
| Like, hey, I can't even do anything. | ||
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I'm sorry. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I blame her and she's like, she don't care. | ||
| Can't even buy sneakers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't even buy underwear for myself. | ||
| I can't wait for my next fight. | ||
| So, who schedules your training? | ||
| Like, say if you're going to do a big camp for, like, this Ngannou fight, like, who schedules what you do all the time? | ||
| My coach, Marcus, he usually sits me down and he's like, I want this guy here, I want this guy here, I think we should bring this guy in. | ||
| We kind of just figure it all out. | ||
| So does he have all this written out? | ||
| Like he'd like a certain amount of rounds, he wants a certain amount of strength and conditioning. | ||
| So is he your overall trainer? | ||
| Yeah, he's my head coach. | ||
| Figures everything out. | ||
| We have my boxing coach, Alex. | ||
| I have my strength and conditioning, Bobby. | ||
| You know, I have Steve. | ||
| The guy that looks like me with the mustache. | ||
| Yeah, he's a grappling kind of more of my dude. | ||
| Just kind of makes me feel good about myself. | ||
| You know, just a fun dude. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I tear him apart and talk shit to him. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, I make myself feel better about myself. | ||
| You know, like, God, you're so old and fat. | ||
| Like, I feel good. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But, yeah, Marcus, he sets it all up, makes sure it's all good, you know, Monday, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, and then, you know, just Saturdays. | ||
| I just take Fridays off. | ||
| How much strength and conditioning do you do? | ||
| I don't do too much. | ||
| I don't do, like, heavy lifting. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Because it's not a powerlifting competition. | ||
| It's a fight. | ||
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Right. | |
| So, like, on Tuesdays, I do posterior chain work for my lower back and my half. | ||
| We have... | ||
| You ever know Westside Barbell? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know the bow squat? | ||
| Yeah, I love that thing. | ||
| They're putting one in here. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, dude, Louie Simmons is the bomb. | ||
| Good dude, isn't he? | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| He's a freak. | ||
| We had one of the best podcasts ever with him. | ||
| He's so fucking crazy. | ||
| He's out of his mind. | ||
| My coach is one of the OGs with him. | ||
| He worked out in his garage before it became like it is now. | ||
| He used to just train with him back in the day. | ||
| Yeah, we went there. | ||
| He gave us a tour, and that whole belt squat thing, that thing's amazing. | ||
| Oh, it's awesome. | ||
| Plus, it gives you traction and not so much strength. | ||
| So, you know, I do that. | ||
| The new one is even awesomer now, too, which is great. | ||
| You can deadlift off of it, and you can do rubber bands. | ||
| They're geniuses over there that just do an amazing job. | ||
| So I do a bunch of that, like reverse hypers. | ||
| Yeah, I've got a reverse hyper machine back here. | ||
| Yeah, the pendulum swings real good, too. | ||
| That thing's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, that reverse hyper is a back fixer. | ||
| Night and day. | ||
| It's the craziest thing. | ||
| I mean, if you have a back issue, ladies and gentlemen, please just Google reverse hyper. | ||
| It is an amazing machine that Louie Simmons created, and it literally decompresses your spine and strengthens it at the same time. | ||
| It is a work of art. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I love it. | ||
| Geez, I can't talk to you. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| Yeah, there it is right here. | ||
| Look at me, motherfucking paperboy hat. | ||
| Put that belt squat thing on. | ||
| That thing's amazing, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like having that thing on you, you would seriously develop some real power in your movements and your ability to push off. | ||
| I think for striking, that would be fucking incredible, that thing. | ||
| Yeah, I did what I did yesterday. | ||
| I did three five-minute rounds at 290. So do you shadow box while you're doing that? | ||
| Yeah, it depends what I do. | ||
| I do a little shadow box. | ||
| The first one I did marching, then I slide back and forth just a little bit. | ||
| Then I do a... | ||
| It's kind of funny, but I actually grab the bar and I thrust my hips. | ||
| It actually helps me. | ||
| It works my hips and helps me with my lower back. | ||
| Next round we did, I would squat, medicine ball, throw it to one coach, squat, throw it back, back and forth for five minutes, and then the other one I would do, like, bird bands. | ||
| Keep moving a little bit like that. | ||
| Have you evolved this over time? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| We actually have a medicine ball that was strapped up, like a Muay Thai clinch. | ||
| So we did that for five minutes. | ||
| That was terrible, actually. | ||
| So that was actually not fun at all. | ||
| We did that, and then we had these massive, like, I don't know what they were. | ||
| They almost look like a part of a boat, but there's these big metal rings, like oval rings, and they had chains on them. | ||
| And we just sit there and just walk like this and keep your hands up high and just... | ||
| So just working on keep your hands up. | ||
| Plus we put the Vertimax in there. | ||
| You ever Vertimax? | ||
| No, what's a Vertimax? | ||
| So it's like a little platform. | ||
| It's got all straps and all resistance. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| So you can jump and punch and... | ||
| Oh, you know, I think I have seen that before. | ||
| It's like, it's strapped up to different parts of your body. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So you can throw knees and punches and kicks and stuff like that. | ||
| Yes, we add that to that, so it's pretty interesting. | ||
| And you operate on rounds? | ||
| You do, like, rounds when you're doing that? | ||
| Yeah, we do five-minute rounds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like, when we go back and forth with that and stuff like that, it can be one heavy, one resistance and... | ||
| So, do they monitor your heart rate? | ||
| No? | ||
| No, I just push it to the limit. | ||
| I don't worry about it. | ||
| You know, like, I do listen to my body if I'm tired or I'm struggling, you know. | ||
| Like, the last camp for JDS camp, I don't know what I was thinking, but I did, like, I was already doing five five-minute rounds within, like, the first, like, 12 weeks before the fight. | ||
| And I was, like, fine. | ||
| I was like, oh, yeah, I feel good. | ||
| Yeah, it's amazing. | ||
| And then, like, eight weeks in, I was like, I just died. | ||
| You went too hard. | ||
| Yeah, I was being just a dumb jock. | ||
| Well, that's what I wanted to say. | ||
| Not that you're a dumb jock, but what's the way you prepare for a major championship fight? | ||
| What is the build-up like? | ||
| How do you know when to push too hard? | ||
| How do you know when you're peaking, when to back off? | ||
| Well, every fight, two weeks out, I stop sparring. | ||
| I don't spar two weeks before a fight. | ||
| Two weeks? | ||
| Two weeks. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Just let my body rest. | ||
| No building my body. | ||
| It hurt my body. | ||
| That's the reason I made that JDS fight. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Everything hurt so bad. | ||
| I would wake up in the morning and just stretching out. | ||
| I could feel the pain in my bones. | ||
| From sparring? | ||
| Just soreness. | ||
| Yeah, I was just being sore. | ||
| From sparring, from doing everything, grappling, just on and on, boxing, whatever. | ||
| And then two weeks, man, I felt like a million dollars. | ||
| So what do you do for those two weeks out? | ||
| I do pad work, conditioning, running, and stuff like that. | ||
| Just keep my mind straight, my mind right. | ||
| Working a pad, just like technique, going over the game plan for the week. | ||
| Yeah, everybody's got a different strategy for that. | ||
| Matt Hughes told me he would work out hard right up until the day of the fight. | ||
| He's like, that's what we've always done. | ||
| It's what I've always done. | ||
| It feels right for me. | ||
| It puts his mind in a good place, I guess, too. | ||
| Yeah, that's old school. | ||
| It worked for him. | ||
| He's one of the best of all time. | ||
| Yeah, no doubt. | ||
| But I talked to another coach who said that when he was competing, that what he would do is the last week of the fight, he literally wouldn't do anything. | ||
| He goes, I wouldn't work out at all. | ||
| I go, nothing? | ||
| He goes, nothing. | ||
| He goes, I might ride my bike. | ||
| He goes, I might swim a little bit because I don't do shit. | ||
| He goes, I already know how to fight. | ||
| He goes, I'm already in shape. | ||
| He goes, I'm just trying to recover. | ||
| And he goes, and you think about it, like if you haven't worked out in a week, when you go and work out, you're like, fucking argh! | ||
| Yeah, it's like that. | ||
| You feel so powerful and energetic because everything's recovered. | ||
| And he's like, that's how I want to be when I'm fighting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm like, okay. | ||
| I think that's how I, you know, I still go hard. | ||
| You know, I still do my rounds and, you know, I'm pushing the limit. | ||
| But, you know, I definitely just the last two weeks just let my body rest from getting beat up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it makes sense. | ||
| Get my mind right, too, you know. | ||
| Do you have any sort of recovery methods? | ||
| Do you do like cryotherapy or massage or ice baths or? | ||
| Yeah, I do ice baths on my own, but I do cryo now. | ||
| I have a place that hooks me up, so I go there, back in Cleveland. | ||
| I do Epsom salt probably once a week with a, what is it, menthol? | ||
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Is it menthol? | |
| Aren't those cigarettes? | ||
| No, I think it's like, you know, you need to put it in the Epsom salt and the green liquid. | ||
| I don't even know what that is. | ||
| So it's Epsom salt, but it's green? | ||
| Yeah, I think it's menthol. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I should probably pay attention to that. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| It actually helps with people cutting weight too, but it actually opens it up and gets everything out. | ||
| I do that once or twice a week. | ||
| I want to start doing that here soon, once or twice a week. | ||
| Proteins, amino acids, all this stuff you're supposed to. | ||
| I go to a chiropractor a couple times a week. | ||
| They also include massages, so I can get a 20 minute massage after. | ||
| Yeah, I think massage is super beneficial. | ||
| I think the more people do that, the better. | ||
| I think especially for fighters, you're constantly dealing with knots and things that could eventually become real injuries. | ||
| Yeah, I remember when I was supposed to play Ben Rothwell, and I pulled out a flight. | ||
| It was the worst time of my life. | ||
| I never pulled out a flight before. | ||
| I didn't know what to do. | ||
| I really couldn't bend over. | ||
| I'll never forget, I dropped my wallet. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Just my back, it was so screwed up. | ||
| Like, I was driving. | ||
| I couldn't even sit up straight. | ||
| It was so bad. | ||
| My back was so messed up. | ||
| Did you get an MRI? Yeah, so my lower... | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| My... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| My L4? Lumbar. | ||
| Yeah, lumbar. | ||
| They were just screwed up. | ||
| They're herniated, bulging out, whatever you want to call them. | ||
| And so I went and talked to Tom from Westside. | ||
| You know, Irish guy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Greek, English guy, whatever. | ||
| He was like, hey man, check out his psoas. | ||
| The psoas muscle. | ||
| You know what the psoas muscle is? | ||
| No. | ||
| So it's a muscle that's connected inside your thigh, inside your bone, and it goes over your hip bone, and it goes to your lower back. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I was sitting there, and I was like, take your shit, and I'm like, ugh! | ||
| I could feel like my spine would kill, so I started stretching it out. | ||
| And so I get massaged, and the massage girl's like, she's like, I'm not gonna lie. | ||
| She's like, you touching your psoas muscle, because you have to dig and get to it, because you just can't find it. | ||
| It was like a rubber band with like bumps on it. | ||
| It was disgusting. | ||
| She's like, it was a dance. | ||
| So I go to West Island, a guy named John Quint, who is a release therapist, whatever, big dude, awesome dude. | ||
| He actually saved my career. | ||
| He started working my psoas and started stretching me out. | ||
| I mean, now I can do head kicks now. | ||
| I'd never be able to do a head kick. | ||
| So it was like a muscle that just was broken down, and it wasn't getting enough recovery? | ||
| I think it was from wrestling, from being, you know, and then just being tight all the time, and then hurting my back when I was a little kid. | ||
| You know, not a little kid, when I was 18, I hurt my back. | ||
| And then he just carried on. | ||
| You ever do yoga? | ||
| I did. | ||
| It's tough for me. | ||
| I'm not going to lie. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| That's why it's supposed to be good for you, because it's hard to do. | ||
| I probably should do it. | ||
| It's just tough. | ||
| I remember, I forget, when I was training in the gym before I started doing mixed martial arts, I was doing a yoga class, and I was trying to do it, and this lady's like, you're just too big. | ||
| She literally told me that. | ||
| I was like, you're a terrible instructor. | ||
| How do you want me to come back? | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| You're just too big. | ||
| She's like, you're just too big. | ||
| Your muscles are too big. | ||
| That's what she told me. | ||
| The yoga instructor told you that? | ||
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| She's ridiculous. | ||
| I was so devastated. | ||
| I just walked out. | ||
| I didn't know what to do. | ||
| I was like, this is stupid. | ||
| Yeah, that's ridiculous. | ||
| I probably lost my mojo after that. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You've got to get back in there. | ||
| I would just think that for anyone that's involved in anything that's as brutal as MMA, that yoga is a great sort of balancing thing for that. | ||
| It keeps you flexible. | ||
| It keeps your core strong. | ||
| It does a lot of... | ||
| Develop, like, weird strength. | ||
| Strengthen, like, it helps the joints, it helps, like, a lot of the connecting tissues, helps stabilize everything. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I believe it. | ||
| Plus, isn't it real good with your mind and stuff like that? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| I mean, I've done it, like, once or twice. | ||
| I get toes in the legs, like, your muscles. | ||
| Like, when I read about it and when I've seen about it, it looks pretty good. | ||
| Yeah, I like that post on Instagram that I put up last night. | ||
| Yeah, I saw it. | ||
| Pull this up. | ||
| This is from Jiu Jitsu Brotherhood. | ||
| Got it? | ||
| What's up? | ||
| Yoga is a martial art you do against yourself. | ||
| How do you say Nick's last name? | ||
| Gregoriadis? | ||
| Gregoriadis. | ||
| Nick Gregoriadis. | ||
| Anyway, real good jiu-jitsu guy. | ||
| He was the guy that was in London Real, right? | ||
| Wasn't he? | ||
| Use that little fancy Google machine. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that's Nick. | ||
| He was in the early London Real. | ||
| He did our podcast. | ||
| Yeah, he did the podcast a long time ago, but that's a great quote, that yoga is a martial art you do against yourself. | ||
| How long have you been doing it for? | ||
| Real serious for like two years, two and a half years. | ||
| Before that, I would do it like once a month or once every now and then, but now I do it pretty regularly. | ||
| We did the Sober October thing. | ||
| No booze, no pot, 15 hot yoga classes a month. | ||
| It's fucking life-changing, man. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, I haven't done yoga since. | ||
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| I really haven't, but I need to because I fucking tweaked my back yesterday doing something. | ||
| Do you have a chiropractor? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, I don't believe in them. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, no, I don't. | ||
| I'm sure you do. | ||
| So good. | ||
| I think massage is good, but do you know how chiropractic was founded? | ||
| Do you know where it came from? | ||
| It came from a scam artist. | ||
| A guy was a magnetic healer. | ||
| And it came to him in a seance that he could cure all ailments if you manipulate people's spines. | ||
| And then he was killed by his own son, who was also a scam artist. | ||
| His own son ran over him with a fucking car and then took over the business. | ||
| I'm sold. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| People claim all sorts of benefits for all sorts of things, but there's no scientific evidence that manipulating your spine does anything. | ||
| The only thing that it does show is that if you can manipulate lower backs, sometimes with some people you can relieve some of the pain. | ||
| But I think a lot of that is just massaging them. | ||
| A lot of that is just manipulating them, just rubbing into them, giving them some sort of relief and adjusting them. | ||
| But the neck is very dangerous. | ||
| You know, people want to get their neck adjusted and feel that pop. | ||
| It feels good, right? | ||
| But literally people have gotten strokes from that. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I just, you know, I read a little study on it that said, like, you know, they did, like, you know, adjusting, you know, twice a week. | ||
| And kids, like, reaction, like, since sports were quicker just because everything was, like, lined up perfectly. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think that's real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like it is, though. | ||
| I'm sure you do. | ||
| I'm just sure. | ||
| I just don't think your body is manipulated that way. | ||
| I think that what's happening is you're putting attention on your body, you're thinking about recovery more, you're getting adjusted, and while you're getting adjusted, you're getting massaged. | ||
| When I used to get adjusted, the best part of it was what you said, the massage. | ||
| That was the best part. | ||
| I'd get a massage, and then I'd get adjusted, and it felt good. | ||
| Everything loosened up. | ||
| But when I talk to guys that are actual orthopedic surgeons and real doctors, like spinal doctors, and they talk about it, they're like, you're just making a pop. | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| Your body would be so fucked up if you could manipulate it one way or another, and that's how you fix things. | ||
| It's like, that's not how you fix things. | ||
| If you've got an injury, there's a whole bunch of shit going on. | ||
| If you have some sort of a muscle pull or a back injury, I soured on it when I had a bulging disc. | ||
| And the reason why was because this guy was convinced that I didn't have a bulging disc and I didn't get an MRI and I was just going to a chiropractor and he was like pushing down on my head. | ||
| I had a, in my cervical, in my neck, it was a, my hands were going numb from jujitsu. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this guy was trying to tell me, just keep coming to the car, you'll get adjusted, it'll be fine. | ||
| And then I finally went to a real doctor, and they gave me an MRI, and they're like, no, this is why you're in pain. | ||
| Your disc is bulging out, and it's pressing against your nerve, and it's called the ulnar nerve, and that's why your hand is going numb. | ||
| We're going to give you spinal decompression, and you should try to look into some things that are going to reduce inflammation. | ||
| They changed my diet, and I started getting something called Regenikine. | ||
| Which is like platelet-rich plasma when you take your blood they spin it to heat it up and in the heating up the blood it produces this radical anti-inflammatory process and They then inject that your own blood back into the injuries and just fixed it over like the court a period of like two or three months Then I got another MRI and it went away so I think a lot of that shit is just fucking voodoo to It's just nonsense. | ||
| And you think it's working, or you're thinking about it, or you're giving yourself time to rest while you're getting all those adjustments, so you think that the adjustments are what's doing it. | ||
| But obviously there's a lot of people that are chiropractors that are very skillful in all sorts of different methods of recovery, like electrical muscular stimulation, massage. | ||
| There's a bunch of different things. | ||
| Even traction. | ||
| I don't know enough about acupuncture. | ||
| Yeah, me neither. | ||
| I never got it done, but I was like, eh. | ||
| It seems to me like horseshit. | ||
| If I had a guess. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| I mean, maybe there's some method to it. | ||
| I mean, I think that massage works. | ||
| That definitely works. | ||
| Like, if I get a good massage and I have, like, something that's tight and, you know, like, your neck is fucked up from not tapping or something like that and then you go get it massaged out, like, you can fix that. | ||
| Like, that actually can provide you some relief. | ||
| And I'm sure that if you go to a good one of those people that does cupping like people apparently swear by that shit, you know? | ||
| What is cupping by the way? | ||
| I've seen it like sucks on the bag and all these terrible marks on your body. | ||
| I think that's half of it. | ||
| Half of it is like the marks in your body make you think like you're getting something done, but you they take this cup and it sucks all your your skin up into the cup and How does that I don't know how it works. | ||
| Look at this asshole. | ||
| That guy looks like he has the worst disease known to man. | ||
| Imagine if that was just like what happened to your skin. | ||
| You got like some porcupine disease. | ||
| Or a nipple disease. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess like they have a vacuum thing and it attaches to the top and it pulls. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| How is that like... | ||
| Yeah, Olympic cupping, a practice rooted in ancient Islam. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Hmm, interesting. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, look, these fucking people are world-class athletes at the top of their game. | ||
| Is cupping therapy... | ||
| Okay, how about Google, does cupping work? | ||
| Does cupping therapy work? | ||
| There's probably some weird sexual shit called cupping, too. | ||
| You gotta be real careful. | ||
| Careful what you pull up. | ||
| How does cupping work? | ||
| It's dry cupping. | ||
| Yeah, how does it work? | ||
| The glass cup is warmed by burning an alcohol-soaked cotton ball inside of it. | ||
| They're making a bomb. | ||
| This removes the oxygen in the cup, which creates a vacuum. | ||
| The cup is turned upside down and placed on the patient's back, the vacuum created by the lack of oxygen. | ||
| Well, that's this kind of cupping, but the other one seemed to have like a stem on the top of it where a vacuum thing pulls in. | ||
| But what is it supposed to do? | ||
| Facts. | ||
| How do you feel about ice, though? | ||
| I think that's very important. | ||
| Drawing up the skin. | ||
| Scroll over towards the right so I can see that. | ||
| Drawing up the skin in the cup is believed to open the skin's pores, which helps to stimulate the blood flow, balances and realigns the flow of... | ||
| Okay, you fucked me with this chi. | ||
| QI. Realigns the flow of QI. Oh, you got any peer-reviewed studies on that QI, you fucking dipshits? | ||
| Breaking up obstructions creates an avenue for toxins to be drawn out of the body. | ||
| Again, as soon as assholes start talking about toxins, oh, I'm just cleansing, I'm on a deep cleanse, getting the toxins out of my body. | ||
| So nice, it's so nice. | ||
| It's just bullshit talk. | ||
| That whole toxins talk is, I'm pulling toxins out of my body. | ||
| The fuck you are! | ||
| No, you know what pulls toxins out of your body? | ||
| Your liver, you dumb cunt. | ||
| That's what your liver's for. | ||
| It gets the toxins out. | ||
| You're not pulling them out with a cup. | ||
| For me, it's a sauna after I've been drinking all day. | ||
| Sweat. | ||
| Yeah, your sweat does. | ||
| It'll at least filter out some of that water. | ||
| The ionic foot spa thing. | ||
| Oh, that's the worst! | ||
| Where the water turns black and they try to pretend that it's like toxins coming out of you. | ||
| But meanwhile, it's just a reaction. | ||
| It's a chemical reaction. | ||
| Yeah, you ever seen that? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, they have this thing, it's plugged in, and your foot sits in it, and there's some sort of reaction with the water in your feet, and it turns black, and they try to tell you, oh, the toxins are coming out of your body. | ||
| And then you walk out of there, I feel amazing, now I need a colonic. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is not real, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| What are they doing? | ||
| What is the exact reaction? | ||
| There's lots of videos you can look up where people do the exact process without putting anything in there, and the water still turns black. | ||
| I think it's something to do with battery acid or... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Honestly, that might not be it, but it's something weird. | ||
| It's bullshit. | ||
| See, people want to get healed. | ||
| You get hurt. | ||
| You want to get healed. | ||
| You want to believe anything. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, you ever heard of Reiki healers? | ||
| No, that's rolfing. | ||
| That's real. | ||
| That's legit. | ||
| That's like fascia manipulation. | ||
| Reiki is like they rub their hands and they just... | ||
| Pass them over your body, and they heal you. | ||
| We had this one video that we were watching. | ||
| This one lady was just rubbing her hand above this lady's vagina, just like above it. | ||
| Like, what is going on there? | ||
| What kind of sorcery are you using? | ||
| What are you trying to exercise from this lady's body? | ||
| Next thing you know, she's the number one porno star in America. | ||
| Look, I did it with my hands, my healing, my Reiki healing. | ||
| I met a dude last night that was a psychic healer. | ||
| Told me he was a psychic healer. | ||
| I go, good luck with that. | ||
| That's not real. | ||
| You fuck. | ||
| Psychic healer. | ||
| The reason I ask about icing is because I know there's some people that don't like icing. | ||
| They like doing that like that. | ||
| The insulin injury gets hurt. | ||
| Unless it's needed, but say you sprain your ankle and you kind of just start moving it right away and get the blood flow back in there without... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's some evidence that... | ||
| Well, I think it depends entirely upon the injury, but if you look at the vast majority of scientists and sports medicine therapists and the people that are at the cutting edge of the business, they almost all use ice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They don't think that you... | ||
| You're not supposed to use ice within... | ||
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What was it? | |
| Who was it on the podcast? | ||
| Was it Andy Galpin? | ||
| Who was it that was talking about the time frame between icing and exercise where you need to... | ||
| It might have been Rhonda Patrick. | ||
| There's a beneficial amount of time you should wait before you ice after an exercise. | ||
| Like that you give yourself... | ||
| A chance for more recovery and more growth if you wait a while before icing. | ||
| Say if you had a hard training session, you wouldn't want to go right to cryotherapy. | ||
| You might want to wait an hour and a half, two hours, and then go. | ||
| And then you'll get the benefits of the hard training, but then you also get the anti-inflammatory benefits of cryo. | ||
| When I did cryo, the first time a couple times I did it, I was like, this is... | ||
| This sucks. | ||
| I wasted a bunch of money. | ||
| I just hated it. | ||
| And this is another place, plus also it's free, which is nice. | ||
| Free is nice. | ||
| And the guy's like, hey man, come out. | ||
| So I checked it out. | ||
| And man, I got done with that one. | ||
| I felt coldness coming in my whole body. | ||
| So it was a better place? | ||
| You went to a better place? | ||
| I think it was, because I definitely felt a difference. | ||
| How long are you in town for? | ||
| I'm leaving tomorrow. | ||
| Tim, I want to take you to the place out here. | ||
| The cryotherapy, cryo-healthcare out here, they have a very unique system. | ||
| Their system is... | ||
| First of all, the guys that developed it, what they did was instead of having it where you're breathing in liquid nitrogen, you know, like where it's from the neck down, which is a lot of those places, you go into it and you're breathing air and you have to have your head above... | ||
| Where the cryo is, because you can't breathe that shit in, which is how that girl in Vegas died, folks. | ||
| If you don't know, there's a girl in Vegas that went in the tank by herself, and she was too short, and she was breathing in the nitrogen, and she passed out, and then she froze to death. | ||
| But the ones at cryo healthcare, that's the normal one. | ||
| That's like Floyd Mayweather in there right there, where you see the cryo stuff is all below his head. | ||
| The ones at Cryo Healthcare, they jack the temperature way down, like 240 degrees below zero. | ||
| And what they do is they freeze the air itself. | ||
| So the air they're pumping into is super cold air. | ||
| So you go in there with full... | ||
| Like, you're breathing in this cold air. | ||
| It's on your head. | ||
| Your full body is immersed in this cold air. | ||
| So it's way more intense. | ||
| And it's supposed to have way more benefit because your head gets cold too. | ||
| So the reaction that your body has for producing cytokines and anti-inflammatory cold shock proteins, your body freaks out way more when everything is covered. | ||
| Not just from the neck down, but your head too. | ||
| Yeah, I wish you were in town. | ||
| I'll take you there. | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty sweet. | ||
| What do you got after this? | ||
| You got some other duties? | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| What do you have to do? | ||
| Other UFC stuff? | ||
| No, not even UFC. Yeah, kind of, kind of not. | ||
| It's like my stuff. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I didn't want to go, but I had to go. | ||
| You're like a big kid. | ||
| Oh, it sucks. | ||
| My wife's like, "Just go!" And I put up a little fight. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| I read every whole night now, I'm just training to go home. | ||
| When you have a big fight, how much of the big fight is, like, how much of the pain in the ass is doing press? | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| I don't want to say you're complaining about it, but I mean, as far as time constraints. | ||
| Yeah, sometimes it sucks. | ||
| It does suck, because when you're sitting there, you're thinking about doing this, and they'll call you like, hey! | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, but I understand it's part of the game and it helps, you know, promote you and, you know, your sales and, you know, pay-per-views and all that stuff like that. | ||
| It does, but there's like a balance to be achieved, right? | ||
| That was Conor McGregor's argument. | ||
| Conor McGregor's argument was when he went on that world tour with Aldo, he's like, they just did way too much. | ||
| He's like, by the time you're doing all this, you don't have time to train. | ||
| He goes, there's no way you're going to train, recover, sleep correctly. | ||
| You're flying from one city to another country to another country, and you're just constantly on a jet. | ||
| Yeah, that was like, I mean, yeah, when I went to Australia, I mean, I flew to Australia when I found Mark Hunt. | ||
| And I remember I flew more than I actually was there in Australia. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I was there for like a day and a half and I flew back home. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it was bad. | ||
| So the flight is more, more time. | ||
| I think it was like a 20 hour flight there and 20 hour flight. | ||
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That flight sucks plates of dicks. | |
| That flight is, you get out of there and you're just half a person. | ||
| You're like confused and like, something happens to you when you're flying. | ||
| 16, 17 hours on a plane. | ||
| I was there after the flight. | ||
| So I got there a week early before the flight. | ||
| I stayed for the week of the flight and I was there like three or four more days later. | ||
| So I was there for three and a half, two and a half, two and a half, three weeks. | ||
| And I got home and it was crazy. | ||
| So I get home at like 7 in the morning. | ||
| My brother's at my house, me and my wife come home, and I'm trying to keep my eyes open. | ||
| It was so miscombobulated. | ||
| So I get in the car, I almost forgot how to drive, because I was on the other side. | ||
| I'm with my brother, I'm like, you should probably drive, because I have not been on this side of the road in a long time. | ||
| Were you driving in Australia? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Just being there? | ||
| Yeah, I was just sitting on the opposite side. | ||
| It was just so weird. | ||
| Everything was so awkward. | ||
| I mean, it was crazy. | ||
| I went for a run, and there was freaking parrots, and like... | ||
| Kangaroos and shit. | ||
| It's like our seagulls and crows. | ||
| I'm running, there's rainbows, toucan sand next to me. | ||
| Yeah, Australia's a weird place, man. | ||
| Yeah, it was crazy, but my time clock was screwed up. | ||
| I went to work a couple days later, and four days later, I was still messed up. | ||
| It was bad. | ||
| Yeah, it could fuck you up for a week or two. | ||
| But, you know, it's worth it just to go to Australia. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| It's a great place. | ||
| Yeah, I have a bunch of family there. | ||
| When you have a big fight with a guy like, say, Mark Hunt, where you know it could be a brawl, and that turned out to be a five-round fight, right? | ||
| Was it? | ||
| Yeah, four and a half. | ||
| Yeah, you stopped him in the fifth? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| When you have a fight like that, and you know you're in there for the long haul, do you plan on, like, staying for days after the fight to recover? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| I actually wanted to get home, but I was a bad boy. | ||
| So they wanted me to do a couple like... | ||
| Promotional things? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I was like, I went out here. | ||
| Because I got to see my family. | ||
| So I have family. | ||
| I live in Melbourne and Sydney. | ||
| Oh, you have family out there? | ||
| Oh, no kidding. | ||
| Yeah, so we had to hang out with them for a little bit. | ||
| It was cool. | ||
| Did you see that video that they posted yesterday of these guys in Australia with a 39-foot boat and a shark swam by it that was 20 feet long? | ||
| You see that video? | ||
| It's a fucking insane video. | ||
| Because the shark is almost as big as the goddamn boat. | ||
| They have this 39-foot boat and they have an overhead, like a drone footage of the shark swimming around the boat. | ||
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And I'm like, Jesus Christ. | |
| I definitely shit my pants in that moment. | ||
| There's not much you can do. | ||
| I mean, you don't have a whole lot of options. | ||
| Wow, that's like... | ||
| 20 foot shark. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Fuck all that. | ||
| And Australia has a ton of those. | ||
| They're all over the place. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I was talking about... | ||
| This happens a lot, apparently. | ||
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Really? | |
| I found an 18 foot shark next to a 21 foot boat. | ||
| Fuck that! | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| You ever see those whales and stuff that sprout up? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right next to the boat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is this one, Jamie? | ||
| It's the 18-foot shirt next to the 21-foot boat. | ||
| Oh my god, that thing is big. | ||
| See how big the boat is. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| And it's just swimming next to the boat going, can I eat you? | ||
| Hmm, how do I eat you? | ||
| Hmm, not sure if I can eat you. | ||
| Goddamn, kid, get back! | ||
| Get back! | ||
| That was your son? | ||
| Get back, you little fuck! | ||
| Sit down! | ||
| Jesus Christ, it's a shark. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you see the video of the guy who was diving? | ||
| The real recent video? | ||
| The shark came over and thumped the back of his head. | ||
| Did you see that one guy who was fishing? | ||
| It was an older video, but he was like this. | ||
| Old guy's like this in the seat. | ||
| He's like this, and the swordfish. | ||
| Half of it, yeah? | ||
| No, no, the whole thing jumped in. | ||
| It was just going crazy, and one guy jumped overboard because he didn't want to get sautéed by this thing, you know? | ||
| So the fish was trying to get away from a shark? | ||
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No, I think he just jumped in, yeah. | |
| I saw that seal one time, he jumped in the boat, was trying to get away from a killer whale. | ||
| Yeah, dude, my oldest daughter, when she was 13, we went fishing. | ||
| And she was a vegetarian at the time. | ||
| She loves animals. | ||
| And I was like, you know, but she was eating fish. | ||
| I said, listen, let's just go fishing. | ||
| We'll catch a fish. | ||
| We'll cook it. | ||
| And you'll get, like, this sort of connection with your food. | ||
| What was this one? | ||
| She was in South Beach the other day. | ||
| Some guy just hanging around with a shark. | ||
| Probably 10 feet off the coast. | ||
| This guy's just trying to die. | ||
| What is he doing? | ||
| I don't know if he even saw it. | ||
| So anyway, I'm on this boat, and we catch a marlin within 10 minutes of the trip. | ||
| 10 minutes in, we catch a marlin, which is crazy, right? | ||
| All of a sudden... | ||
| I'm pulling this thing in, and it's not a big Marlin. | ||
| It's probably like 80 pounds or something like that. | ||
| We get it into the boat, and they beat the fucking thing to death with clubs right in front of her, because that's what they do. | ||
| They pull it in, and then just fucking thump, thump, thump, and she's sitting there. | ||
| And then they put it on ice after that, and then when they put it on ice, it's still alive. | ||
| Every now and then, you'd hear... | ||
| His tail would be flapping out. | ||
| It would be spazzing. | ||
| It would come back to life and they'd thub it in the head again. | ||
| She was a vegetarian for another year after that. | ||
| Took a while. | ||
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Took a while to turn her back around. | |
| My thought was like, we're going to go catch some mahi-mahi. | ||
| This is going to be great. | ||
| It's hard to catch a marlin. | ||
| You usually don't catch a marlin. | ||
| And we caught one within 10 minutes. | ||
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I mean, you were trying to be a good dad, and you're like, I'm going to take a fish, and then they'd just be the smash of the smile right in front of her. | |
| It just was the total wrong experience. | ||
| Like, my youngest daughters, I took them fishing, and they caught little fish, and it was a great experience. | ||
| It was like what I was hoping for. | ||
| Like, they caught little fish, we brought them back to the restaurant, the restaurant cooked them, we were staying at a resort, and that was great. | ||
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It was like, whew, nobody got clubbed. | |
| I was terrified the first time I took him. | ||
| I'm like, if you're fucking four and you watch a marlin get clubbed to death, you might not ever bounce back from that. | ||
| I don't know what I would do. | ||
| If I was a child and saw that, I'd probably be scarred for life. | ||
| I fucked up. | ||
| That's the only time I've ever caught a marlin, too. | ||
| I've gone ocean fishing a hundred times. | ||
| I've never caught a marlin. | ||
| I've never been ocean fishing. | ||
| Oh, it's the best. | ||
| Is it fun? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The only thing that's kind of a bummer is a lot of times they just want to troll, right? | ||
| So they're just pulling the lines behind the boat. | ||
| So you're not really actively doing anything. | ||
| I like casting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like the best ocean fishing I've done is in Mexico for, I think they're either skipjack or amberjack tuna. | ||
| I forget what they're called. | ||
| But we would go and they would follow these seagulls and bait fish. | ||
| So like the bait fish would be frothing on the water because the tuna were underneath jacking them and then just cast into them and just, oh, it was amazing. | ||
| We're in Mexico. | ||
| It was outside of Cabo. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| So it's like... | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It was outside Puerto Vallarta. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was outside Puerto Vallarta, so I'm not sure what part of the ocean it was. | ||
| But it's great. | ||
| It's like when you eat a fish that you caught like an hour ago, you realize, like, wow, this tastes way better. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| The degrading of the... | ||
| It's kind of the opposite with meat. | ||
| Because with meat, you can eat a lot of meat fresh right after you kill it and it tastes really good, but much of the best cuts of meat that you get from a butcher or from a really good steak restaurant, they let it age. | ||
| And apparently they do that with tuna too. | ||
| Like when you get sushi, I didn't know that. | ||
| Yeah, they let that shit age. | ||
| I love sushi. | ||
| Do you fish? | ||
| I mean, I used to back in the day. | ||
| How do you have time? | ||
| Yeah, I'm kind of busy. | ||
| I have a little pond in my house, but I don't think... | ||
| You have a pond? | ||
| Yeah, it's not huge. | ||
| It's probably 20 yards by 20 yards. | ||
| Not big at all. | ||
| But we do have massive turtles. | ||
| In the pond? | ||
| Yeah, which I had no idea. | ||
| Actually, we made a bet, one of the UFC fights, and a bunch of my coaches were over, and I was lit up, having fun, and I never bet, and they're like, I bet you this person wins, so I was like, I'll take that bet. | ||
| What happens if you win? | ||
| I'm like, if the person that wins, you can do it, you want to pick whatever, so I win, I'm like, alright, you guys have to get in my little shuttle boat, and you have to go across the lake, and we did snowballs at you. | ||
| It was winter, middle of winter. | ||
| And they're like, no. | ||
| I'm like, 100%. | ||
| You're going to do it. | ||
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So they did it. | |
| And the best part was half of it was covered in ice. | ||
| So they couldn't go anywhere. | ||
| And if it's compatible, it sucks. | ||
| So they're just sitting there. | ||
| And I'm drilling them. | ||
| So whatever. | ||
| And we do our thing. | ||
| And all of a sudden, months later, my wife's like, honey, she sends me a video of these massive snapping turtles. | ||
| They hate fucking each other. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I wonder if I can find it on my phone. | ||
| The one's like this. | ||
| And I'll get some bags. | ||
| And all of a sudden, the girl's like, ah. | ||
| I tried to break his face off. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| They both had to be that big. | ||
| They were massive. | ||
| And then I looked over and they had a bunch of babies. | ||
| And their necks are so long. | ||
| You have to grab them by the behind because they'll bite your hand off. | ||
| Yeah, so those just moved into your neighborhood? | ||
| Is that what happened? | ||
| Or were they always there? | ||
| Where I live, it's weird. | ||
| I have a private drive from my house. | ||
| You can't see my house off the driveway, so we have a little pond. | ||
| And so, yeah. | ||
| But were they there before? | ||
| Yeah, they've always been there. | ||
| They go back and forth. | ||
| There's a little pond next to us that connected where our driveway is. | ||
| Cook them up. | ||
| Turtle soup. | ||
| Must be half decent if you cook it right. | ||
| What is your diet like? | ||
| You know, usual. | ||
| Pizza, beer. | ||
| I frowned upon that. | ||
| I mean, I joked around about that, but we had Courtney DeWalter in. | ||
| She's the woman who won the Moab 240. Do you know what that is? | ||
| That chick is a fucking savage. | ||
| She beat every man, every person who entered that race by a marathon length. | ||
| 240 miles, and she was ahead by more than 20 miles. | ||
| The second place person was more than 20 miles behind her when she won. | ||
| So it's like an ultramarathon? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Three days for some people. | ||
| But for her, I think she did it in two, right? | ||
| She's an animal. | ||
| She's a fucking animal. | ||
| Anyway, beer, nachos, candy. | ||
| That's what she eats. | ||
| Beer, nachos, and candy. | ||
| And we were like, what? | ||
| Like, I expected some sophisticated, ketogenic diet protocol where they're monitoring her fucking ketone levels and her blood and checking out all of her portions are mapped out. | ||
| It's like Ivan Drago running around. | ||
| When she was here, she just kept eating candy. | ||
| She was just eating candy, like M&Ms and shit. | ||
| I mean, I get Icon meals. | ||
| Yeah, those are great. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| So you get a meal prep. | ||
| Yeah, so they send me a bunch of stuff. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| But I'm a heavyweight, so I don't go... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Some days I love pizza. | ||
| You can do whatever the fuck you want. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But I don't like... | ||
| Have you ever thought about trying to go to 205? | ||
| We thought about it, but it'd be really tough. | ||
| What do you weigh now? | ||
| 240. Yeah, and you're not fat. | ||
| So even if you got super lean, you're probably looking at 225 and then a hard 20 cut. | ||
| Yeah, they're a 225 class all day. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Easy make there. | ||
| I think there should be one. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| I think there should be a lot more weight classes. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| And I know there's a resistance because they want to keep the sport pure. | ||
| They don't want it like boxing with a weight class every four pounds. | ||
| But I feel like if you look at guys, there's a lot of guys that I think are tweeners. | ||
| They're not quite... | ||
| Well, you're a heavyweight champ. | ||
| You can't say you're a tweener. | ||
| You're like, me? | ||
| But you can't say that because you're the champ. | ||
| But there's guys that, you know, like Diego Sanchez was always a good example. | ||
| He's a little bit too small to make 55. When he tried to make 45, it was a disaster. | ||
| But if there was a 65-pound weight class, I think that's perfect for him. | ||
| And there's a lot of guys that, like, 70 to 85, that's a big jump. | ||
| 85 to 205, that's crazy. | ||
| That's about 20 pounds. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I think definitely a few more weight classes, not like every 2 pounds. | ||
| I think every 10 pounds. | ||
| Yeah, I think it'd be great, too. | ||
| I'd be on board for that. | ||
| I think that's the move. | ||
| Every 10 pounds, and then when you go 205, 205 to 225, 225 to... | ||
| It should be unlimited. | ||
| It shouldn't be 265. That seems silly to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think that, too, where those guys are unlimited, they won't last long. | ||
| They might not, but Ngannou's cutting weight to get to 265. He weighed 250 last fight, I thought. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He weighed 260-something. | ||
| He weighed 263? | ||
| 263 or 264? | ||
| Yeah, no, he's cutting weight. | ||
| Oh, cool. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| Yeah, he's a big fellow. | ||
| But, obviously, there's pros and cons to being big, and the con is, if you're getting into the third, fourth, and fifth rounds, those big guys are not known for their endurance. | ||
| They say that the weight class... | ||
| There was always a thought in MMA, like when Cain Velasquez was on top, there was a thought that that might be the perfect size, like 240. Anything bigger than that, maybe it's just not worth it, because a 240-pound man could basically knock out anybody on the planet. | ||
| So the power's still there, but nobody had more endurance than Cain. | ||
| No, no, I think so. | ||
| I think being like 240, you know, you still got the cardio, you still got the strength, you still got the speed. | ||
| I mean, I love being where I'm at. | ||
| You know, I don't try to gain. | ||
| I mean, I'm not going to push more. | ||
| You ever thought about gaining or no? | ||
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No. | |
| No, I mean, I've gained. | ||
| I remember after Mark Hunt, man, Mark Hunt, I kind of went on the deep end and just went on binge drinking and flying me, waiting for, like, living it out of my life. | ||
| And I actually stepped on a scale. | ||
| I was like, What'd you weigh? | ||
| 259. Wow. | ||
| I never weighed in my life. | ||
| Did you take a picture like holding your gut? | ||
| No, I didn't actually, I looked exactly the same. | ||
| I just looked a little bit thicker. | ||
| Nothing like bad. | ||
| So it filled out good? | ||
| Yeah, it was a good, yeah. | ||
| I think I loved it in the ass too. | ||
| So if you were a chick, it would have been a good move. | ||
| Yeah, I would have been twerking all day. | ||
| Tony Ram, go back to the whole ultramarathon thing. | ||
| So I'm a weirdo, and so I found out about ultramarathons, so I go on Wikipedia and I start reading all about it. | ||
| They were talking about the top three guys. | ||
| They're crazy. | ||
| The first ever ultramarathon guy that did awesome was a cattle runner, cattle... | ||
| Guy, cattle farmer guy. | ||
| Cattle farmer? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So they run through the night. | ||
| Well, he didn't sleep at night, so he would just run and keep running. | ||
| He didn't run fast, but then they had another guy. | ||
| Oh, I saw that guy. | ||
| I saw a video about that guy. | ||
| And then there was another guy. | ||
| He was like 30 years old. | ||
| He had like epiphany. | ||
| He was drinking one night, and he just got sick of like... | ||
| He just wants to drink one night for his birthday party, put on his shoes and just start running. | ||
| Realize, you know, you can still run. | ||
| And he, like, tore it up again. | ||
| I don't know who the guy's name was. | ||
| He's, like, American. | ||
| And another guy, he was, like, at one point he was sleeping, running. | ||
| And, like, he's still, like... | ||
| While he was sleeping, he was running? | ||
| Yeah, he was, like... | ||
| Or while he was running, he was sleeping. | ||
| Yeah, I can't talk. | ||
| Give me a break. | ||
| But he's, like... | ||
| They watched him sleep while he was running. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Snoring? | ||
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No, no. | |
| I'm saying he was just running. | ||
| I don't know if he was snoring, but they had another time. | ||
| They were saying a story about how he twisted his ankle at the beginning of the race, and it was the size of a grapefruit. | ||
| He still destroyed everyone, waited at the finish line, high-fived everyone, and crossed the finish line. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's going to bother me. | ||
| I'm going to look it up. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Did you find it? | ||
| This is the one guy that got a Cliff Young shuffle. | ||
| Yeah, that's the cattle rancher guy. | ||
| So he kind of has a shuffle, and the idea was that that shuffle allowed him to save energy because he wasn't picking up his legs really high. | ||
| He's just kind of shuffling along. | ||
| Yeah, I remember this guy. | ||
| Yeah, look at him. | ||
| He competed without his false teeth because they rattled when he ran. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| He was 61 when he showed up and no one knew what he was doing. | ||
| They didn't know if he knew what he signed up for. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Meanwhile, he won. | ||
| Well, the history is filled with guys like that. | ||
| It's like everybody thinks they know exactly how everything works until someone comes along that's a completely unique version. | ||
| No one has seen before, like that guy, doing his little shuffle. | ||
| Yeah, it's amazing. | ||
| Or like this Courtney DeWalter chick. | ||
| She just won, she just beat the world record for the most amount of hours a woman has ever run in 24 hours. | ||
| She's a freak. | ||
| And again, candy, drinking beer, nachos. | ||
| Watching those people run marathons, it's crazy. | ||
| I remember one year I had my one coach, he did security detail for the Cleveland Revco Marathon. | ||
| So I sat there, it was the worst day of my life though. | ||
| I literally sat in the van driving five miles per hour behind these people running. | ||
| So they fell off, I'd pick them up, take them to the finish line. | ||
| But it was just crazy watching. | ||
| They were so nuts. | ||
| I'm another one guy. | ||
| We stopped to check on him. | ||
| He's like, I got an IV on him and stuff like that. | ||
| He's like, yeah, I'll be fine. | ||
| He put an IV in him. | ||
| He went to go finish the race, right? | ||
| This guy's like dead almost. | ||
| Gets IV, comes back to life. | ||
| He's like, I got this. | ||
| Goes again, starts running again. | ||
| And I'll never forget, we're about to be done. | ||
| And I see the guy running. | ||
| He's about a hundred yards away and he starts like tripping and falling and he couldn't finish the race. | ||
| Wow, a hundred yards away? | ||
| Yeah, he's like literally a hundred yards away. | ||
| He couldn't finish. | ||
| I was like, oh, I felt so bad for that guy. | ||
| He was about to pass out the first time. | ||
| They put an IV. He felt gray. | ||
| He's like, I'm good. | ||
| Leave me alone. | ||
| Took off again, and then... | ||
| Endurance racing is a totally different kind of thing as far as the mindset. | ||
| If you think about a five-round heavyweight title fight is a grueling affair, right? | ||
| It's 25 minutes of throwing bones at the best fighters in the world, but it's still 25 minutes. | ||
| These motherfuckers, like this Courtney DeWalter chick, she's running for three days. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| It was a Dallas Marathon. | ||
| This was a lady that was winning. | ||
| She got to the end and she just collapsed and this girl helped her. | ||
| She's like a high schooler. | ||
| She was running one of the shorter races and just saw her and was compelled to help her finish. | ||
| Did you still win the race? | ||
| I guess the lady said she was afraid she was going to get disqualified because someone was helping her, but she still won. | ||
| I would give that chick some of that money. | ||
| So someone's helping her. | ||
| That seems weird. | ||
| Sort of helping her. | ||
| You can kind of tell she doesn't really care. | ||
| Well, she's picking her up, though. | ||
| She's picking her up every time she falls. | ||
| I feel like that's cheating. | ||
| They might have had some rules. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Tell that bitch to give back her medal. | ||
| No. | ||
| Just kidding. | ||
| Just kidding. | ||
| That's what a courage, man. | ||
| Is that illegal? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| They said in fights now, if you poop yourself, they stop the fight. | ||
| A lot of guys have shit themselves. | ||
| A lot of guys. | ||
| Famously. | ||
| I wrestled a guy in college one time that shit his pants. | ||
| I remember Michael Chiesa. | ||
| Who was he fighting? | ||
| Benil Dariush. | ||
| And right before the fight started, he leans over to the kid. | ||
| He goes, dude, I might shit myself during the fight. | ||
| I go, are you serious? | ||
| And he's like, I gotta shit so bad. | ||
| Are you serious? | ||
| And he wound up choking out Dariush. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| And we were talking about it afterwards. | ||
| He goes, bro, he goes, something happened during the fight. | ||
| It went away, but I was convinced I was going to shit myself. | ||
| Really? | ||
| He goes, I just got out there and I was like, oh no. | ||
| That's the worst feeling. | ||
| I was a terrible feeling. | ||
| That had me like Arlowski. | ||
| My whole time, they're coming to get me. | ||
| And I'm like, you know what? | ||
| Let me just shit, make sure. | ||
| Thank God I shit. | ||
| Because whatever came out of me, it was like just disgusting diarrhea. | ||
| And I'm like, I get done. | ||
| I'm like, Imagine holding that in. | ||
| Oh yeah, but I didn't feel like I had to go, but I was like, you know, they just checked me on the safe side. | ||
| Man, thank God I fucking... | ||
| That was a big win for you too. | ||
| That was a good one. | ||
| Yeah, it was a big one. | ||
| Because it was like definitive. | ||
| It was like you were marching towards the title, and then when you blasted Orlovsky out, it was like, alright, this guy's the guy. | ||
| This is the next guy. | ||
| Well, it took a little longer than that, but... | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, that was like the definitive, like, where you're like, I want my fucking shot. | ||
| Like, where's my fucking shot? | ||
| Like, right then and there, like, that was sort of one of those moments where, like, you gotta give this guy the shot. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I know. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| And you helped me out with that, too, so I appreciate that. | ||
| Oh, you know I'm a big fan. | ||
| No, I appreciate that, man. | ||
| And then the title fight, man. | ||
| Holy shit, that must have been amazing. | ||
| Knocking out Verdum in Brazil like that, with one punch. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| That was like one of the best title fight winning performances ever. | ||
| Yeah, it was a good night, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I actually work on that a lot. | ||
| Step over, right across, and the guy chasing you down, just getting an angle. | ||
| You know, it was just, what a great night. | ||
| You know, I wouldn't be there without my coaches, honestly. | ||
| They're just great people. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| They're just, like, the reason I'm there is just because they put so much time and effort into me. | ||
| I've got to say it over and over again, but they're just amazing guys, and I'm very lucky to have them in my corner. | ||
| Well, they're very lucky to have you, too. | ||
| You know, it takes both. | ||
| You know, and you're right. | ||
| You know, you have a great relationship with your coaches, too, which is very important, I think. | ||
| Like, you were saying about having a great wife, having great friends, having a great support system, like, all that stuff, like, for your mind, for your mindset, it's great. | ||
| But having coaches that you have a great relationship with, that you really, you know they're looking out for you. | ||
| You know they're working hard for you. | ||
| You guys are in there together. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's what I love about my head coach, Marcus. | ||
| I looked at him a long time ago and I was like, man, when's the age retired today? | ||
| He's like, pfft, more time to drink wine, bro. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's what I love about him. | ||
| He's fine, yeah. | ||
| He's like, I don't care, dude. | ||
| You can do what you want. | ||
| I just joke around and see what he would say. | ||
| He's like, bro, he's like... | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| He's like, listen, I just want you to be happy. | ||
| That's the best kind of coach, man. | ||
| That's the best kind of coach. | ||
| The worst is the kind of coach that wants a guy to fight when you really know it's over. | ||
| When the guy really should be stepping away. | ||
| And then you see them trying to give the guy the pep talk. | ||
| You know the best days are in the past. | ||
| Yeah, that's why Mark is actually real good at that. | ||
| You know, we've had a couple guys that were like, you know, he's like, yeah, I ain't gonna be in your corner. | ||
| He's like, you should retire. | ||
| It's so hard. | ||
| It really killed him inside of telling that, but he's like, listen, no. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| This is an important point to talk about. | ||
| You remember that feeling that you felt like after this Drew fight? | ||
| It's like, you've got to kind of figure that out on your own and come back on your own. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And some guys, they have that feeling and then they're never the same again. | ||
| They never reach those same, like you got better for sure. | ||
| You rose above that. | ||
| But some people are dwarfed by bad performances or bad knockout or whatever it is and they just never, they're never the same again. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I just, I think it's, you know, just two different type of people. | ||
| Either they're going to go above and beyond, or they're not. | ||
| I mean, that's just how it is. | ||
| Yeah, but there's also stages in your life, too, right? | ||
| Where you just don't want to do it anymore. | ||
| Like, you see some guys who are, at one point in time, great, driven fighters, and then the grind just gets to them, you know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I mean, I totally understand it. | ||
| Like, I mean, I was just talking to who they're talking to about this. | ||
| Vlante. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen less. | ||
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I mean, I've had 11 UFC fights. | |
| I think more than 11 of those have been five-rounders. | ||
| I've trained for five-rounders. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My third... | ||
| My fourth UFC fight was a five-rounder. | ||
| Even if they didn't go five rounds, you're still doing a camp for five rounds. | ||
| The Verdum fight was so crazy because I almost think you benefited from it being in Brazil because it seemed like Verdum was so emotional and so ramped up because it was in Brazil. | ||
| He's like chasing after you, which I was like, this is crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I think a little bit too is that we knew exactly what he was going to do. | ||
| He did everything he wanted to do and I just wasn't falling for anything he wanted. | ||
| He went for a fine knee, he went for a takedown, he went for a body kick. | ||
| I just wasn't giving him anything he wanted. | ||
| I think you realize that. | ||
| I wasn't going anywhere. | ||
| You also caught him before that big punch too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When we watched the fight, we did a fight companion, we watched the fight. | ||
| You clipped him early and I was like, he's hurt. | ||
| You could tell there was something going on when he got hit. | ||
| And then he tried to get it back. | ||
| And when a guy gets hit and then just tries extra hard to get it back, a lot of times they're exposed and you just caught that right hand perfect. | ||
| Yeah, thank God. | ||
| I hope we wouldn't be here right now. | ||
| What was that feeling like, man? | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| So when I hit him, then he fell. | ||
| I was like, holy shit, he fell. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Because when was the last time he's been knocked out like that? | ||
| He was out. | ||
| Junior was the last time. | ||
| I was like, bro. | ||
| He's on a tear. | ||
| I'm like, holy shit. | ||
| So I gave him a couple extra ones. | ||
| And then, you know, I stopped the fight and I looked over and my coaches were like, oh hell yeah! | ||
| So I run over and I was like, no one heard us before that, but before I said I'm a world champ, I looked at my coaches and I'm like, we did it, we did it. | ||
| That's what I told them, we all did it. | ||
| Then I said I'm a world champ and I kind of went like Frank Tank and I blacked out and didn't remember what I said after that. | ||
| But, you know, it was awkward, too, because it was so quiet in there. | ||
| And all I hear was myself screaming. | ||
| Oh, it was amazing. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| We were clapping. | ||
| When you hopped over the octagon, and you're standing there, you're like, I'm the world champ! | ||
| I'm the world champ! | ||
| It was like setting in. | ||
| You could see it. | ||
| Those moments, man, those are some of my all-time favorite moments when a guy realizes the biggest dream, the biggest accomplishment of his career, thus far at least, and to see a guy like you win the title. | ||
| There's nothing like that, man. | ||
| There's nothing like that. | ||
| Yeah, it was just great. | ||
| It was 45,000. | ||
| We had about 15 people there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 45,000 people rooting for Fabrizio Verdun, by the way. | ||
| Actually, it was 44,985. | ||
| I had 15 there for me, so I forget. | ||
| And then, boom. | ||
| Yeah, actually, my brothers and my cousins, and they were all on the top row with my buddies, and when I knocked them out, they were all going, like, yeah! | ||
| They were going crazy, and actually, they were like... | ||
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Oh. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And the Brazilians are like, what's up, bro? | ||
| What's up? | ||
| They're like, we're sorry. | ||
| They're like, it's okay. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| They were really nice about it. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| It must have been silent in there, though, when you dropped them. | ||
| Honestly, it was so awkward. | ||
| It was so awkward. | ||
| I remember hearing myself screaming, like, yay! | ||
| We got him, champ! | ||
| What was the crowd doing? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| They were just quiet. | ||
| I remember hearing my wife screaming. | ||
| I heard her screaming, and that was about it. | ||
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Wow. | |
| It was awkward. | ||
| Cleaning was a total 180. That was crazy, too. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Being put on my ass and then getting up and went into zombie mode and didn't care after that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's a crazy time for you, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're the UFC heavyweight champion of the world. | ||
| I mean, one day you're going to look back, you're going to be talking to your grandkids, and you're talking about the time, like now, when you're the fucking champ of the world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's pretty intense. | ||
| Yeah, I'm excited, man. | ||
| I just had something, you know, that, you know, I'm like, Be proud of my wife, my mom. | ||
| You know, he's like, hey, you know, my son actually did something with his life, you know? | ||
| Well, what I'm excited about, too, for you for this Ngannou fight is there's going to be a lot of people buying this on pay-per-view. | ||
| This is going to be a big fight. | ||
| You know, and these big fights, this is what makes, you know, a champion popular. | ||
| I mean, this is really... | ||
| This is... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Historically, in boxing, the voice said, that the health of the heavyweight division just represents boxing overall. | ||
| I don't think that's the case anymore. | ||
| Because now in boxing, you've got all these lightweight guys like Gennady Golovkin, Canelo Alvarez, Lomachenko, all these big stars now that are emerging in a lighter weight division just because they're so skillful and talented. | ||
| Andre Ward... | ||
| But I think in the heavyweight division of the UFC, it's been a while since people were really pumped up about a big heavyweight title fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm excited, man. | ||
| Listen, he's a good, tough dude, you know? | ||
| I mean, he can bring the pain, so am I, but unfortunately I'm not walking out without that belt. | ||
| I'm still a champ, and still. | ||
| When you see a guy like that, what preparations, like what do you think is different about him than guys you've fought before, and what are you going to do different? | ||
| Well, I mean, every guy's different. | ||
| I mean, every fight's different. | ||
| You know, like, everyone's like, oh my god, he's punching power. | ||
| I mean, listen, there's a lot of guys that hit hard. | ||
| I mean, there's no question. | ||
| He does hit hard. | ||
| I mean, but I'm not going to be stupid to put myself in a position where I'm going to get hit. | ||
| You know, I'm going to do things that make him feel uncomfortable, and I'm going to do what I'm going to do. | ||
| I'm not going to sit there and let him do what he wants. | ||
| I'm going to dictate what I want. | ||
| When you see the rest of the heavyweight division, do you see any standouts or any guys that are coming up that are exciting to you? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Honestly, I don't pay attention. | ||
| You don't pay attention? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| That's a fascinating thing. | ||
| I talked to Matt Hughes after Matt Hughes got beat by BJ Penn, and this is what he said. | ||
| It was really fascinating because he's got so much courage, that guy, to say this in an interview as well. | ||
| He's like, honestly, it's a relief. | ||
| He's like, being the champ was so much pressure. | ||
| It's overwhelming. | ||
| So having this happen, honestly, right now, I feel relieved. | ||
| And I was like, wow, that's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's not like he gave up. | ||
| I mean, he fought his heart out, but he got caught and got choked out. | ||
| And then to go from that to say, you know, honesty is a relief. | ||
| And then rebounds and then gets back on the horse and, you know, probably had to have that experience just to have the perspective that, or I don't know if you ever had the perspective that you have, but your perspective is different in that you, like, you don't seem to be concerned. | ||
| Well, I mean, I'm concerned. | ||
| There's no question. | ||
| I think every fight, you know, I'm nervous and always, you know, never know what's going to happen. | ||
| That's what, you know, as real as it gets because you never know what's going to happen. | ||
| But you're not concerned that all these guys nipping at your heels, all these guys coming up the ladder. | ||
| It's part of the game. | ||
| It's what I signed up for. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I mean, if I didn't want to do it, I wouldn't do it. | ||
| You know, I knew that, you know, one day I'll be the champ and I knew there were people that were coming for my belt. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I understand that. | ||
| And there's a lot of good guys out there that, I mean, you know, like, you know, fighting JDS, fighting over Doom, you know, Nagami. | ||
| I mean, they all want a piece of it. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| No matter who it is, it's not even just me. | ||
| It's just whoever. | ||
| When Kane was fighting, you know, I just, over Doom, you know, I never wanted a piece of the title. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, you know, it's an interesting thing, too, because what we're seeing today with MMA, we're seeing this combination, like this marriage of fighting with promotion. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| Yeah, you're not that guy. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| But you not being that guy is promotable. | ||
| First of all, I don't think the UFC has enough resources to promote every fighter adequately. | ||
| Because I think UFC is a promotional entity, but it's also like the sanctioning body. | ||
| Not the sanctioning body, but they're the ones who put on the fights, they're the ones who decide who fights, and you've got a 500 fighter roster. | ||
| Whereas in other organizations, you would have a bunch of different venues and avenues where different fighters could go. | ||
| When a guy like you is the heavyweight champion... | ||
| Blue-collar guy. | ||
| Works as a firefighter. | ||
| You know, you got a great story. | ||
| You're a fun guy. | ||
| Like, does it frustrate you that people expect you to talk shit? | ||
| I mean, you're seeing all these guys that are getting a lot of attention now for it. | ||
| Obviously, Conor's the master at it, right? | ||
| But you're seeing other guys that are, you know, trying that route. | ||
| Trying to say outrageous shit to try to get attention, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I'm not going to be a copycat. | ||
| It's too exhausting for me to figure out what I'm going to say and what I want to say and hurt someone's feelings. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I got more important shit to worry about. | ||
| My kitchen, I had to figure it out. | ||
| I didn't worry about that. | ||
| I didn't worry about what the next guy I was going to fight was going to say or what I was going to say about it. | ||
| I'm good, man. | ||
| I'm just going to do my thing. | ||
| I'm going to go out there. | ||
| I'm going to beat your ass. | ||
| I'm going to walk out. | ||
| I'm going to be champ. | ||
| I'm torn, because on one hand, I'm like, I love a good shit-talking session. | ||
| I like shit-talking. | ||
| Listen, if you hit the fire station all day, man, I'll shit-talk the best of them. | ||
| But I just don't want to go out of my way and just hurt someone's feelings I don't even know. | ||
| Yeah, but like Colby Covington, he's making a name for himself, but he's making a name for himself, not just beating good guys like Damian Maia, but talking mad shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like talking shit in Brazil. | ||
| You see when Fabricio Overdoom hit him in the head with a bang boomerang? | ||
| Does he have to go to court for that? | ||
| I think he's going to go to court for that. | ||
| He's going to let it go. | ||
| He's going to fly all the way to Australia to go to court for that? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Let it go. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Fucking boomerang. | ||
| He wasn't trying to hit him. | ||
| I mean, he wasn't trying to kill him. | ||
| He just threw whatever he had in his hands. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's pretty sweet, though. | ||
| Give him a fine. | ||
| Give him a little fine. | ||
| In Australia, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Yeah, it's like hitting someone in the head with a koala bear, right? | ||
| You got a bottle of Vegemite or something like that. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| That stuff's so salty. | ||
| I like that stuff. | ||
| Do you like it? | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| I did it one time. | ||
| It was so salty. | ||
| It's good with butter. | ||
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Is it? | |
| Yeah, with butter on bread. | ||
| But the... | ||
| The thing, like, has there been any pressure on you to try to talk some shit? | ||
| To try to, like, promote things more? | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, they tell me, like, you're your own promoter. | ||
| I'm like, well, okay. | ||
| That's what they say to you? | ||
| Like, how does the UFC say it? | ||
| I mean, no, I mean, they just, I don't know, like, I don't really care what, you know, they think they want me to do, like, promote. | ||
| I'm not going to promote myself. | ||
| Like, that's why you guys are in a promoting company. | ||
| That's what you're supposed to do. | ||
| You guys do that, you know? | ||
| I just... | ||
| You know, I think they'd rather, you know, 50-50 with it, but I don't see it that way. | ||
| Well, I think they would rather someone who just promotes themselves. | ||
| Like, Conor McGregor's a perfect example, but he's a fucking unicorn. | ||
| Like, every now and then, one guy comes along that has, first of all, he has an entire country behind him. | ||
| Like, I've never seen anything like that. | ||
| Like, Ireland's not a big country, but it seems like they're the biggest country in the world when Conor's fighting. | ||
| I mean, he's fighting in Vegas against an American, and there's more Irish people in the audience. | ||
| I mean, that's just bananas, right? | ||
| But... | ||
| When they got a guy like that, they kind of get spoiled. | ||
| Like, hey, this is how you got to do it. | ||
| You got to do it like Conor does it. | ||
| Well, not everybody's Conor, you know? | ||
| So, like, for a guy like you to see all these guys getting a lot of attention, and they're very good fighters as well, in Conor's case, great fighters as well, but the thing is the shit-talking. | ||
| Like, that's sort of what's ramping everything up. | ||
| That's what's getting all these people to buy the pay-per-view, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if someone came at me, of course I'm going to defend myself. | ||
| I'm pretty greedy. | ||
| I'm a fireman. | ||
| I get shit talked to every day by five or six guys. | ||
| But like I said, I just want to go out of my way and just have other stuff to worry about, training-wise. | ||
| What am I going to tweet today? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's too much. | ||
| Made Chael Sonnen's career, other than being a great fighter, but it did. | ||
| Chael's career really took off when he started talking shit. | ||
| People remember Chael in the early days of his career, he was a gentleman, never talked shit. | ||
| Then somewhere along the line, he's like, Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck! | ||
| That's my belt. | ||
| And it's like a WWE promotion, and everybody's going crazy, and Chael took it to a new level. | ||
| Chael opened up the door to a lot of shit talkers of the modern era. | ||
| He really let them know, like, look, that guy promoted the fuck out of some fights. | ||
| Do you take classes or anything like that? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I'm not trying to be funny. | ||
| Chael's very smart. | ||
| You ever talk to him? | ||
| No, yeah, he's very intelligent, yeah. | ||
| Very smart. | ||
| I did a couple of his radio shows. | ||
| Exceptionally smart. | ||
| And very articulate. | ||
| He's got a great vocabulary. | ||
| See right there, I have no vocabulary. | ||
| I'm not articulate. | ||
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I'm screwed. | |
| But you're you. | ||
| I've always said that. | ||
| It's almost like there's no way I mean, other than maybe having a podcast or something like that, and I know that Tyron does that now. | ||
| Tyron Woodley has his own podcast, and I think a couple other guys maybe as well. | ||
| But it's hard. | ||
| It's hard for people to get to know you. | ||
| All they see is this stoic fireman who goes out there and fucks people up. | ||
| Which should be enough. | ||
| Who doesn't want that? | ||
| That's what I say. | ||
| It should be enough. | ||
| But I think it's hard for the UFC to figure out how to promote everybody. | ||
| No, yeah, I understand. | ||
| I mean, like you said, there's 500 people on the roster and all that. | ||
| So, yeah, definitely. | ||
| Yeah, whatever. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Can't make everyone happy. | ||
| I think the Embedded's helped me out a little bit. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The Embedded's are great. | ||
| I think those helped me out a little bit, too. | ||
| They help you out a lot. | ||
| Yeah, they get a chance to see who you really are. | ||
| The last thing, I'll leave it in the comments. | ||
| It's either I'm too loose or my wife's got a fat ass. | ||
| Both might be true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But there's nothing wrong with, you know, first of all, I can't read the comments. | ||
| Oh, I love it. | ||
| I laugh. | ||
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Do you? | |
| I laugh. | ||
| So, back in the day, back in the day when I lost the stream or anything, I was like, people would write me like novels to tell how bad of a person I was. | ||
| I should kill myself. | ||
| I was the worst fighter in America. | ||
| I was in the world. | ||
| I'm like, oh my God. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| My wife's like, stop reading it. | ||
| So I deleted my Facebook account. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Yeah, I deleted it. | ||
| Then I get my epiphany. | ||
| I said, screw it. | ||
| I don't care anymore. | ||
| So now, if you watch my Instagram, once in a while, some dude tag me or something. | ||
| He'll be like, what's up, Joe? | ||
| What's up? | ||
| Say something stupid. | ||
| He's like, you're a paper champion. | ||
| He's a fake. | ||
| He's a paper champion. | ||
| I'm like, I know. | ||
| Dude, totally fake and a paper champion. | ||
| Dude needs his ass beat. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's me. | ||
| He's talking about me, and these guys are like, and they won't put a word. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck, man? | ||
| Come back with me, man. | ||
| I just laugh at it. | ||
| I just think it's funny as shit. | ||
| But isn't it kind of a waste of energy to engage with those people, or you actually enjoy it? | ||
| I actually enjoy it. | ||
| I think it's funny. | ||
| I have the people that usually hit me up on a message, and they'll be like, bro, I just love you, champ. | ||
| I just wanted to get a reaction out of you. | ||
| I'm like, oh, you're that guy. | ||
| That guy. | ||
| Those guys are the saddest. | ||
| But... | ||
| It's also like, after this true fight, you were at your lowest. | ||
| So you're reading comments when you actually lost. | ||
| Now, you're reading comments when you're the heavyweight champion of the world. | ||
| It's like, what are you going to say, bitch? | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| What the fuck are you going to say? | ||
| Kiss the ring. | ||
| The worst thing, you know, they could say is, they can't say anything. | ||
| You fucking, you're the champ. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You're going to lose someday. | ||
| Like, that's the worst thing they could say. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Most likely. | ||
| I mean, if you keep going eventually, you'll be 80. Yeah, I mean, that's going to suck. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, everybody, if you keep going, will lose, including Mayweather, including everybody who's ever lived. | ||
| If you keep going long enough, Father Time will kick your ass. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And someone will be there to help them out. | ||
| Fuck, I go mow my three acres once a week, and I get done, I'm like, How old are you? | ||
| I'm 35. You're still alright. | ||
| You still got a couple years. | ||
| Heavyweight, they say, but you're later in life. | ||
| Not when I cut the grass, bro. | ||
| I feel like I'm 95, man. | ||
| I get done and my back is tight and sore. | ||
| I'm like, god dang. | ||
| From cutting grass? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I got a big skag, man. | ||
| I fly around, I get done, and I wake up in the morning. | ||
| I'm like, oh. | ||
| Everything hurts. | ||
| What's a big skag? | ||
| It's a 61 inch. | ||
| It's like a commercial lawnmower. | ||
| Oh, you got one of them bad boys? | ||
| Those seem like fun. | ||
| Oh, it just flies. | ||
| That hurts your back? | ||
| Yeah, because I'm always bouncing. | ||
| It's not a perfect level sometimes. | ||
| The fucking daily grind of MMA training. | ||
| What that's got to be doing to your body. | ||
| When you were talking about how you barely get out of bed some days, most people would think they see you fighting like, this fucking guy's just doing cartwheels all around his house all day. | ||
| It's so bad. | ||
| I wake up in the morning and my wife's like, hey. | ||
| I'm like, hey. | ||
| She's like, can you get me a coffee? | ||
| I'm like, ah. | ||
| She wants you to get her a coffee? | ||
| Yeah, it's what I do for her. | ||
|
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Who's the fucking champ? | |
| Oh, yeah, no. | ||
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Who's the champ? | |
| I'm fourth in my house. | ||
| The champ doesn't get coffee! | ||
| I'm like four in my house, man. | ||
| It's like her, the dogs, and me. | ||
| I guess I'm there to pay the bills, man. | ||
| I think that's good for you, though. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I think that's healthy to have somebody you've got to answer to sometimes. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Honestly, she takes care of me, man. | ||
| She does a lot for me, so it's the least I can do for her. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| She's a good woman. | ||
| Like I said, we had that big storm. | ||
| I had no idea what to do. | ||
| She called insurance. | ||
| She screamed with them. | ||
| Got more shit that we needed. | ||
| I'm like, oh yeah, that's fine. | ||
| They gave me a little check and I'm fine with it. | ||
| You should film you getting out of bed in the morning. | ||
| Maybe you should do something like that for Instagram. | ||
| Do an Instagram video. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| I mean people just don't they don't know because what all they're seeing is you KOing Fabricio Verdun, knocking out Junior Dos Santos, raising your hands, you know, all of the glory moments. | ||
| I think that's one of the things that Embedded does really well is they show like hey this is a fucking grind for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks until you get into a cage for a fistfight and this is a fucking brutal way to get by in life. | ||
| And you can go 30 seconds Or in 25 minutes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which, of course, we'd rather go 30 seconds and win, but... | ||
| Yeah, maybe they should do something like that for this fight. | ||
| Like, really follow you from beginning to end. | ||
| See what it's like when you're getting up in the morning and then just put it together for something after the fight. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it sucks. | ||
| Some days, man, some days I'm alright, but other days I'm like, God damn it, I'm so sorry. | ||
| I'm like, man, this sucks. | ||
| I sleep wrong. | ||
| Unfortunately, we let the dogs sleep in bed with us. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I get like one-eighth of the bed, every king-sized bed. | ||
| So my wife sprawled out. | ||
| Like a skydiver. | ||
| Yeah, I'm like, honey, can I have some covers, please? | ||
| I think the dog's a fart in your face. | ||
| Last night was so bad, man. | ||
| Primo, God, that dude, hot stinks last night. | ||
| Yeah, I had her move. | ||
| My dog was watching TV with me last night, farting up a storm. | ||
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Dude, it's not cool. | |
| It's the worst. | ||
| How do you know when to call it? | ||
| If you get up in the morning and you're real fucking sore, how do you know when maybe I should take today off? | ||
| I usually know by that night, the night before. | ||
| I talk to my coaches, you know, and they'll be like, hey, how do you feel? | ||
| Just how my sparring goes and stuff like that, or grappling, whatever I do, some type of my sparring session, if it's MMA, kickboxing, or boxing, or jiu-jitsu, whatever it is, they'll just watch me, and they'll be like, how do you feel? | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, I feel like shit. | ||
| And they'll be like, alright, you know what, just take tomorrow off, or just take half a day and then work out at night. | ||
| And when you do take a day off, do you do ice baths or how do you try to accelerate the recovery? | ||
| Yeah, I usually do an ice bath, Epsom salt or something. | ||
| I sleep all day. | ||
| I literally just eat and sleep all day. | ||
| Just sleep. | ||
| Just catch up on rest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's interesting, though, because there's no real set thing where you can know when to do it and when not to. | ||
| You just got to do it all by feel? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think just knowing your body. | ||
| I think it's one thing I've picked up well on since I started fighting is just knowing my body. | ||
| Because, you know, I think you're the best critic on your body. | ||
| Because, like, back in the day we used to do caveman training. | ||
| You know, like, I feel fine. | ||
| I'm fine. | ||
| But here's another thing, too, is, like, we're so used to training a certain way, you can get through those workouts even if you're tired and sore. | ||
| But I can go and pick up a bag of groceries and blow up my back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I pick up a baby or put it on my shoe. | ||
| I never have it, but you do random stuff that you don't do every day. | ||
| You pick up a bag of groceries and you're like, oh my bag, oh! | ||
| And your bag goes out, but then I can go and spar five five-minute rounds and my body's dead, but I can make it through just because I'm so used to my body going through it. | ||
| Yeah, that's the weirdest thing, right? | ||
| You do the most ridiculous, hardcore shit and then you just go to tie your shoes wrong and something tweaks. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| What's causing that? | ||
| Actually, after my ovary fight, we're sitting there and we're on a boat with my buddy with his parents. | ||
| We're hanging out. | ||
| We're just, you know, a couple cocktails, a little day drinking. | ||
| We're hanging out, driving around Brown Stadium in the water, and he has this little, like, four-pound dog. | ||
| I was like, oh, what's up, little girl? | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| I go to pick her up, and I'm like, and my back went out. | ||
| After the fight? | ||
| Yeah, it was after the fight. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| A week later. | ||
| How crazy is that? | ||
| I was like, ugh! | ||
| But it didn't go fully, fully. | ||
| I felt, I'm like, okay, we're good, we're good. | ||
| So then a couple days later, I didn't do anything for a couple days, so I went to spar and hit a double leg. | ||
| I pinched the nerve in my back and went. | ||
| I was out for a whole week. | ||
| That's crazy, from picking up a dog. | ||
| Four-pound dog. | ||
| I get punched in the face by a massive man and then this little dog fucks me up. | ||
| I was going to Vegas once for a K-1 bout way back in the day. | ||
| There was some K-1 fights in Vegas we were going to go watch. | ||
| And I'm in the shower on the way to leave the house. | ||
| I'm taking a shower. | ||
| Oh, this is going to be fun. | ||
| Can't wait to see these fights. | ||
| And I just turned to grab the soap and something popped in my neck. | ||
| I was like, fuck! | ||
| Out of nowhere. | ||
| So I drove to Vegas like this the entire way, like four hours. | ||
| And every time I had to turn, like, to look behind me to park, I had to literally turn my whole body like this from just turning to grab shampoo or something. | ||
| Like, just turning. | ||
| Like, no idea what it was. | ||
| Doesn't make any sense. | ||
| We just turn around and just... | ||
| Every now and then. | ||
| And it fucked me up for like two weeks. | ||
| For like two weeks, my neck was fucked. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Did it get adjusted? | ||
| No, it didn't get adjusted. | ||
| Maybe I should have. | ||
| Maybe I should have. | ||
| Maybe I should have gone to a chicken doctor. | ||
| They'd kill a fucking duck and whack it over my head. | ||
| Some voodoo shit. | ||
| I mean, look, I'm not saying that going to a chiropractor is a bad thing. | ||
| Some people, I'm sure it works, but... | ||
| When you know the history of how it got started, it's a little wacky. | ||
| There's some pretty good articles about how wacky it is. | ||
| It's interesting because there's a lot of methods of recovery that some people swear by. | ||
| Like the cupping thing, or electrical muscular stimulation. | ||
| You ever see those Normatec boots? | ||
| They put those things on your legs? | ||
| Have you ever used those? | ||
| No? | ||
| Do you hang upside down? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's like you're putting on pants. | ||
| They go all the way up your legs. | ||
| Oh, yeah, the compression. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| For circulation. | ||
| Yeah, they're supposed to be really good for recovery. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's interesting how so many of these things, they're just trying things out. | ||
| They're trying to figure out what works for you and what doesn't work for you. | ||
| Yeah, when I had knee surgery, they had this awesome contraption wrapped around your leg. | ||
| And she's like, how... | ||
| Compress you on it. | ||
| Eventually we'll get it tight. | ||
| So once you get it tight, the cold water comes through and it gets super tight and constricts it and pushes all the bad blood in. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| What'd you have done with your knee? | ||
| It's a scope. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's my fifth one. | ||
| Fifth one? | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| On the same knee? | ||
| No, I had two on my right and three on my left. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's tough being a big guy. | ||
| I'm going to be crippled when I get older. | ||
| Do you run? | ||
| I do. | ||
| I use an anti-gravity treadmill. | ||
| What's an anti-gravity treadmill? | ||
| So I put on these super tights, these super tight things, and I zip myself up, and you can go like half your body weight, 60% of your body weight, whatever, and you hit the bike. | ||
| Oh, you in the water? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| No, it's air, and it lifts me up. | ||
| What? | ||
| Really? | ||
| It's pretty badass, yeah. | ||
| What's the benefit of that? | ||
| Just so I don't pound my feet as much. | ||
| Is that it right there? | ||
| Yep, that's it. | ||
| Wow, so it doesn't pound your feet. | ||
| Sorry, because I'm 240 pounds, so I'm gonna kill my feet and my legs and my knees, so it lifts me up and makes it a little bit easier. | ||
| But it can't possibly be giving you as hard a workout, though. | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| I'm running at 9.5 miles per hour. | ||
| Right, but you're running at 9.5 miles per hour at less than your body weight. | ||
| Yeah, I'm still running at 200-some pounds instead of 240. Oh, okay. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| So if I go have a body weight, I'm running at 120 pounds, and then 75% I'm running at 200-some pounds, whatever it is. | ||
| It still works. | ||
| I get a great swim. | ||
| I'm still breathing hard. | ||
| I still push myself. | ||
| Is that one of your main forms of cardio? | ||
| Yeah, that, and I do a lot of... | ||
| You know, pad work, you know, sparring. | ||
| So I get done with sparring. | ||
| I do my rounds and I get done. | ||
| I do either pad work for like 20 minutes straight right after and then I do some sticks with my coach, you know, working my head moving. | ||
| All the foam sticks? | ||
| Yeah, whatever they made. | ||
| They made some weird contraption probably. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Do you do any other machines like a VersaClimber or anything? | ||
| Swimming? | ||
| Do you do any swimming? | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| No, I do a lot of wrestling. | ||
| I started wrestling here soon. | ||
| So mostly a lot of it is old school training. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is probably the best way anyway. | ||
| Yeah, I like it. | ||
| I mean, I run twice a week though, for sure. | ||
| There's no question. | ||
| I like running just because I run hard on Mondays and then Fridays is more of a recovery run, let my body rest. | ||
| But you're doing it in this thing. | ||
| You're not running on the concrete. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like running. | ||
| I think it just feels so much better in my legs. | ||
| I feel a hundred times better. | ||
| I could imagine, especially when you're dealing with 240 pounds, pounding on your knees, and you've scoped out all the cartilage and shit. | ||
| Yeah, it sucks. | ||
| They're doing some stuff now, though. | ||
| You should look into, like, talk to Dr. Davidson from the UFC. They're shooting stem cells into knees and regenerating cartilage and meniscus tissue. | ||
| I'd check into that, for sure. | ||
| I mean, I definitely want to get knee replacement when I'm older. | ||
| Knee replacement? | ||
| I don't want to have that. | ||
| Oh, no, you don't want that. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I don't think you're going to have to do that anymore. | ||
| I think soft tissue stuff, they're going to be able to fix that. | ||
| Oh, thank God. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They're pretty damn close. | ||
| They're able to do some pretty incredible shit now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At least they can grow your teeth now. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, my wife just posted on it. | ||
| They grow your teeth? | ||
| They can grow your teeth like the PRP, something like that. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Jamie will find it. | ||
| They grow your teeth. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They put a little scaffolding of some kind, and then they use some injection to regrow teeth. | ||
| I don't know if it's in full use yet, but it's definitely on the way if it's not. | ||
| They're going to be able to grow all kinds of shit. | ||
| They're going to be able to grow body parts. | ||
| Our great-grandchildren, they're going to cut their hands off and grow new ones that they don't think they look good. | ||
| Kids are going to be like, my hands looked ugly. | ||
| I wanted long, slender fingers, so I cut them off. | ||
| That's the world we're going to be living in. | ||
| 100%, yeah. | ||
| It's going to be superficial. | ||
| Well, not just superficial, but bizarre. | ||
| They've already regenerated a bunch of different body parts. | ||
| This one woman had bladder cancer, and so they made her a new bladder with her own skin. | ||
| They used her own skin and used stem cells and grew her bladder in a Petri dish and then put it back in her body. | ||
| I don't know how great it is. | ||
| I haven't talked to her about her pee. | ||
| The promise of growing new teeth. | ||
| Dental stem cells could revolutionize treatment for patients who face extractions. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Growing new teeth. | ||
| Fuck, what a weird world we're living in. | ||
| Right? | ||
| That's got to feel good for you, though, to be thinking about the future, like all the stuff you're doing to yourself right now, all the injuries and getting banged up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And be able to squirt some stuff in there and fix everything. | ||
| I'm cool with that. | ||
| You're good with it? | ||
| Yeah, I'm good with that. | ||
| All right, Steepi, so January 20th, everybody should watch UFC Heavyweight Championship live from Boston, Massachusetts. | ||
| I'll be there. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| Good luck to you, brother. | ||
| Thanks for doing the show, man. | ||
| No, thanks for having me, man. | ||
| Glad we had John. | ||
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Oh, for sure. | |
| Ladies and gentlemen, Stipe Miocic, heavyweight champ of the world. | ||
| Let these bitches know. | ||
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What? | |
| Let them know. | ||
| Cleveland's in the house. | ||
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O-H-I-O! Thanks for having me. | |
| Oh, my pleasure. |
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