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And it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge.
This is just informed talk radio, where we are not ashamed of the gospel because it is God's power for salvation to everyone who believes.
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I'm your host, Craig James.
Hope you guys are having a wonderful week.
We're back.
It's Monday.
The week is just beginning.
And you know what that means.
We always like to start the week off with very positive and encouraging messages, including a sermon from Pastor Dean Miller of Front Range Baptist Church.
So today is no different.
We're going to go check that sermon out right now.
Let's listen in.
Look in your Bible, John chapter 14, and uh I want to remind you that Jesus is in the upper room with the disciples.
He is about to go through the next 15 hours or so.
Think about what Jesus is going to endure.
Number one, he is going to go to the Garden of Gethsemane.
He is going to be crushed under the weight of satanic pressure.
Satan is going to try to kill Jesus before he can get to the cross.
He's going to be in great agony.
He is going to drink the cup that God has set before him, and that is the wrath of God's judgment against sin.
Jesus is going to be crushed in Gethsemane.
Then he's going to go in betrayal by Judas Isariah is going to betray him.
Every one of these men in this room will forsake him.
Leave him.
In fact, not just forsake him, but will deny him.
He will be left all alone to go to Gabbatha.
And he will go there to endure Pilate, Herod, Caiaphas, and He's going to endure great contradiction there.
That's where they'll beat him.
They'll spit in his face.
They'll pluck out his beard.
They will scourge him.
And then he will be taken to Golgotha.
And he'll be crucified.
Jesus will die alone, forsaken by God and man.
His Father will forsake him.
Man forsakes him.
Jesus will die not just as one man dying one death, but he will die as one man dying every man's death.
No man ever suffered like Jesus suffered.
Hung in an open shame, and he is going to be tortured and persecuted.
And it's in light of that.
Jesus knows what he's about to face.
And in the face of that, Jesus speaks these words.
Look at verse 25 of John 14.
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things.
Bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have said unto you.
Peace I leave with you.
My peace I give unto you.
Not as the world giveth, give I unto you.
Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away and come again unto you.
If you love me, you would rejoice, because I said I go into the Father.
And the Father is greater than me.
And now I have told you before it come to pass that when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Hereafter I will not talk much with you.
For the prince of this world cometh and hath nothing in me, but that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do arise.
Let us go hence.
He is going to the cross with an air of confidence and purpose and obedience.
And he is giving to his people, to his men, preparation for his departure.
But he is telling them, and this is what I wanted you to see it today.
He is telling them that he is going to leave them a gift that has no price.
It is a priceless gift.
It is the inheritance of Jesus Christ.
When I die, I'm leaving this to you.
What is it?
His peace.
Do you have peace deep down in your soul?
When you're all by yourself, in the dark.
Maybe it's two in the morning and you're lying there awake at night.
Do you have the peace of God in your heart?
Jesus said, You can.
And I've given you my peace.
Now, Jesus makes it very clear that this peace is not the kind of peace that the world gives.
Jesus said it very clearly in verse 27.
It's not the peace that the world gives.
Now listen, that's important.
Because if the world can't give it to you, the world can't take it away.
It's not anything that I got from this world.
It is out of this world.
And in fact, it's otherworldly.
I want you to know today that I have peace.
I have this peace, and it's not natural peace.
In fact, it's supernatural peace.
And it's peace not of this world.
It's out of this world.
And it's the only way to go through this world is with the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Now, in the Hebrew world, they say the word shalom.
Shalom.
But that's not the word that Jesus uses here for peace.
In fact, the word that Jesus uses is defined this way.
Shalom is a welcome or a prosperity or a blessing be upon you.
Shalom.
And that's a wonderful word.
I love that word.
And but that's not the word that Jesus used in this passage of scripture.
When he said, I'm giving you my peace.
Here's the way you define the word that Jesus gave his disciples.
The word is defined this way.
It is the restful state of the soul.
Assured by salvation through Christ.
And so fearing nothing from God and content with its earthly lot of whatsoever sort it is.
Let me say that again to you and say it this way.
Jesus said, I'm giving you my peace.
What do you mean by that?
I'm going to give you rest deep in your soul that comes from an assurance of salvation through me.
That puts you in a place where you fear nothing from God.
And that you are content with whatever your state in this world is.
That's what Paul said.
Paul said, I have learned that whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
I want to tell you, we live in a world that is so discontent, so on uh uh on the edge.
It is always at unrest, and people are struggling today with depression, anxiety, fear, all kinds of mental anguish is in the world today.
And it's because people do not know and have not experienced the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ.
And I want to tell you on the assurance of God's word today that you can have, listen to me, you can have a rest deep down in your soul that fears nothing from God, but power and love and a sound mind.
And it will keep you at perfect peace in your soul.
You can have that today.
The world bases its peace on resources.
The Christian's peace is based on relationship.
And to be right with God is to be at peace with God.
Listen, if you want to know the peace of God, you've got to be right with God.
You have to be at peace with God to know the peace of God.
You cannot, you cannot be lost in your sin and be at peace.
You cannot be a Christian and be living in sin and be at peace.
You cannot have unconfessed sin in your life and be walking in your own understanding and in your own way and be at peace with God.
Listen, I'm telling you, the only way that you can get peace with God is to be right with God.
The peace that Jesus is giving here is not based on resource, but based on relationship.
Let me give you some things about this peace.
Number one, and this is very clear that you need to understand this.
Number one, the peace of Jesus Christ must be taught by the Holy Spirit.
It must be taught by the Holy Spirit.
Look at verse 26.
Look at verse 26.
There's a lot of confusion today about the Holy Spirit and what he does.
The Holy Spirit does not make you act a fool.
He makes you at peace with God and He teaches you.
He teaches you what it means to be a Christian.
He teaches you what it means to be conformed to Christ.
Verse 26.
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Welcome back to Just Form Talk Radio.
I'm your host, Craig James.
We're going to go right back to Pastor Dean Miller and his sermon from Front Range Baptist Church here in Fort Collins, Colorado.
Let's listen.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, watch this, he shall teach you all things.
And will bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I've said unto you.
Now let me tell you something.
The word, the Holy Spirit has this ministry in your life.
And if you're saved today, he lives in you.
Now he indwells you, he may not fill you.
The only way he can fill you is when you yield yourself and you surrender yourself to him, but he indwells you.
Now I want to tell you, I believe too few Christians are filled with the Spirit.
Most of us sin against the Holy Spirit.
A Christian can commit three sins against the Holy Spirit.
Number one, if you're saved today, you can commit the sin of grieving the Holy Spirit.
You grieve him.
How do you grieve him?
You grieve him when you let bitterness and wrath and anger and malice and evil speaking and unforgiveness dwell in your heart where he lives, and he has to take up company with all sorts of sin in your life.
You grieve him.
What would happen today if you had to rent out your house and everything that was opposite of your principles and character and quality of life moved into your house, and you had to live with somebody who did not live who lived life totally opposite and in a totally different purpose of life.
And you had to live with that person.
You degrieved too.
Well, the Holy Spirit is grieved when we let those things in our life.
Second of all, we quench the Holy Spirit.
What does that mean?
The Holy Spirit begins to do a work in your life, begins to convict you and burn something in your heart to do.
And you say no to the Holy Spirit.
When you say no, you're throwing dirt on the fire.
You're quenching the work of the Holy Spirit in you.
And then the Bible says in the book of Hebrews, chapter 10, that we do despite to the Spirit of God.
That is to do insult.
We insult him.
So a Christian can commit three sins against the Holy Spirit.
We can quench him, we can grieve him, and we insult him.
How do we insult him?
When we think that we can live the Christian life without him.
Jesus said, Without me, you can do nothing.
And when we say, I don't need you, Lord, I can do this on my own.
We do insult.
We do insult to the Holy Spirit.
Now that's a serious matter.
Now listen.
The Holy Spirit has been given to you to conform you to Christ, to teach you what it means to be a Christian.
The Holy Spirit lives in you and helps you to understand the mind of Christ, the life of Christ.
Watch this, by reminding you of the word of Christ.
Let me tell you where peace comes from.
Peace comes from the Holy Spirit teaching you the word of God.
Peace comes from the Holy Spirit, reminding you of the promises and the word of God.
Peace comes when we let the Holy Spirit anchor us and anchor our minds to the truth of God.
Now listen to what the Bible says.
Every Christian ought to have this verse marked in their Bible.
Isaiah 26 and verse number 3.
Listen to this.
I will keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee.
Because he trusteth in thee.
Listen.
He said, You know who's going to be in perfect peace?
And you can't have perfect peace unless it's Jesus' peace.
His peace is the only perfect peace.
He said, I'm going to give you perfect peace when your mind is stayed on God and you trust in God.
So the Holy Spirit wants to anchor your mind and your heart to the Word of God.
The Holy Spirit will tell you what the Word of God says, and then he'll make it come alive in your heart, and he'll give you peace through that, because it that peace comes from being taught and reminded of the words of Jesus Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Let me give you an example of that.
Acts chapter 4.
You ought to mark this in your Bible.
Peter and John healed a man, and when they healed that man, they were able to preach the gospel to a lot of people.
They preached the gospel, and many people came to know Jesus Christ.
5,000, as a matter of fact.
More than in the day of Pentecost in Acts 2, 5,000 got saved in Acts 4.
And when they got saved, they arrested Peter and John.
They took them to jail, they beat them, and uh then they released them, and they the Bible says they went back to their own company.
They went to the church, they got together with other believers, and they begin to pray.
You can write this down, Acts chapter 4, verse 24 through verse 31.
They begin to pray.
And when they prayed, let me tell you what the Holy Spirit did.
These were men who had received the Holy Spirit at the day of Pentecost.
He was living in them, working in them to teach them and remind them of the word of Christ.
And the Holy Spirit in Acts 4 took those disciples' minds to Psalm 2.
Why do the heathen rage?
Why do the people imagine a vain thing?
Why do the kings of the earth stand up and wage war against the Lord's Christ?
Why are the kings of this world leading a coalition against God and his truth?
By the way, are they doing that today?
Yes or no?
Some of you should have had a little more weedies this morning.
Or maybe you had too many donuts in Sunday school.
Maybe that's what it is.
You got low blood sugar.
But you need to wake up a little bit today.
Now watch this.
Did the old, did the kings of the earth in the old testament rise up against God?
Yes, they did.
Were they doing that in Acts chapter 4?
Yes, they did.
Let me tell you what the Holy Spirit did.
The Holy Spirit took Psalm 2 that was written a thousand years before Peter was ever born.
And the Holy Spirit reminded him of Psalm 2, made Psalm 2 come alive in his circumstance right now, and it brought the word of God into his mind.
And let me tell you how they finished that prayer in Acts 4.
They finished that prayer by saying, Lord, grant unto thy servants boldness that we may proclaim the word of Christ.
And the Bible says they went everywhere, preaching the word of Christ, and the number of the disciples was multiplied greatly.
Listen to me.
The Holy Spirit took the word of Christ, gave those men in persecution the power of the word, made it real in their life, and they went out boldly to make that word known.
That's the peace of Jesus Christ.
And it's taught to you by the Holy Spirit.
If you got that, say, got it.
Alright, number two.
Not only is that peace taught to you by the Holy Spirit, number two, it is received by faith and not earned.
It is received by faith and not earned.
Look at verse number 27.
We're in John 14.
Look at verse 27.
Peace I leave with you.
My peace I give unto you.
Not as the world giveth, give I unto you.
Notice what Jesus said.
It's my peace.
And my peace, and I'm giving it to you.
It's a personal gift of his peace.
Listen to me, listen to me.
It's not, I'm not pretending that peace.
I'm not emulating that peace.
I'm not copying that peace.
I've been given that peace.
Jesus did not make photocopies of it.
Jesus did not scan it and 3D print it.
He said, I want to give you my peace.
I don't have a copy of his peace.
I have his peace.
Listen, he gave us his peace, and he gave it to us by faith.
We don't earn it.
We don't earn it.
We receive it.
Let me tell you why Solomon could not sleep at night.
Let me tell you why many believers can't sleep at night.
The world's peace, the world's peace, is money earned.
Health.
Achieved.
Success obtained.
Treaties signed.
Listen, in the world, if I make enough money and my accounts are full, and my job is secure, and I've gone to the gym and I've worked out and I've got good health, and the president flies overseas and signs another peace treaty with another company, country, we're all good.
The world's good.
Now listen.
That's not the kind of peace that the Lord gives.
Christ's peace is unshakable, and it's rooted in the sovereignty of God.
I'm glad that my peace is not dependent on my bank account.
I would have no peace today.
Are you with me?
How many of you?
You would say today, if if my if my peace was according to my bank account and my security of my future, I would be shaken like a leaf.
Okay?
Well, that's not how our peace comes.
The more you know him, the more peace you'll experience.
The more you know Christ, the more of his peace you'll have.
And so it's given by faith.
It's received by faith.
I'm walking in the peace that Jesus gave me in spite of my circumstances.
Now, here's number three.
Watch this.
The peace of Jesus Christ must be taught by the Holy Spirit.
It must be received by faith and not earned.
Number three, don't miss this.
The peace of Jesus Christ is very practical.
It is very practical.
Look at verse number 27.
Peace I give it to you, my peace I leave with you.
Now watch what he says at the end.
Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Now he's telling them, they're about to go into it.
Look at look at what he says.
I love this verse down here.
Look at verse 29.
Jesus says, Now I have told you before it came to pass.
That when it is come to pass, you might believe.
He said, Now listen, I'm giving you this peace before you're going to need it.
Because in just a moment you're going to need it.
And this peace is going to come when the darkness comes and the trials comes.
In other words, this the world's peace is an absence of problems.
Well, I got news for you.
Job, Job chapter 14, verse 1.
The oldest book in the Bible says this.
Job 14, 1.
A man that is born of a woman.
Now, how many of you were born of a woman?
Okay, maybe that's the problem.
That's the common root.
No.
He that is born of a woman is a few days and full of trouble.
Listen to me.
If you were born into this world, you came into a world full of trouble.
And the world says, Man, if you can just get over your troubles, if you can just get through and get yourself into a situation where your comfort and you don't have any problems, you'll have peace.
Now listen to me.
Jesus' peace is not the absence of problems, it is his presence in the problems.
Now the disciples had experienced this practically already before.
Jesus was trying to teach them this in an object lesson.
Matthew chapter 14.
Jesus put them in a boat and said, Hey guys, go across the other side of the sea.
And Jesus went up in the mountain and prayed.
Now what did they encounter?
Somebody tell me out loud.
What did they encounter out there on that boat on that sea?
A storm.
Storm came.
How many of you knew that Jesus already knew that that storm was coming?
Alright?
How many of you believe that's why Jesus didn't get in the boat?
Okay?
And Jesus said, You guys get in the boat, you go across, and he sent them right into a storm.
Was that storm in the will of God?
Yes or no?
Was that storm in the purpose of God for their life?
Yes or no?
Yes.
And they were rowing and they were weary and they were fearful.
They were at their wits' end.
And what did the Bible say?
Jesus was in the mountain praying for them, and then he came out on that sea walking to them, and I believe that story.
He walked on the water, came out there in the storm, and in the middle of that storm, going up and down on those waves, Jesus said, Hey Peter, come out here.
And Peter had to get out of that boat and walk on those waves to Jesus Christ.
And you know what Jesus said?
He said from the water, be of good cheer, it is I. That's the Greek way of saying, Hey, be of good cheer.
I am.
I am.
I'm here.
And Jesus' presence in the storm brought peace to the disciples.
Now let me tell you what the Lord was doing.
Peter was looking at the waves.
Peter was watching the wind.
Peter was seeing the tempest.
He got his eyes off of Jesus.
And I'll tell you what Paul said in Romans chapter 8 and verse 6.
The spiritual mind is life and peace.
When you get your eyes on the temporal and you get your eyes off of him, you cannot have peace.
You can't have peace in this world.
Isaiah chapter 57 tells us that there is no rest in this world.
That in this world it's like the wave of the sea.
It's always casting up its mire.
It's always casting up its.
It's like there's no rest.
The waves continually roll in.
It's one wave after another wave after another wave after another wave.
There is no peace in this world.
You cannot be circumstances-minded and have peace.
You cannot be trouble-minded and have the peace of Christ.
You cannot be problem-minded and have the peace of Christ.
You cannot be self-minded and have the peace of Christ.
You must be spiritually minded, and your mind must be stayed on Christ.
That's why Paul said in Colossians 3 and verse 15, let the peace of God rule in your hearts.
Now, write this reference down in your notes if you're taking notes.
Psalm 46, verse 1 through 3.
This is what the psalmist said.
I'm going to show you this.
It's very practical.
Watch this.
Here's what the psalmist said.
Because some of you are thinking, well, you just don't know what I'm going through.
Okay.
I may not, but you're not going through this.
Psalm 46.
Watch what the psalmist said.
He said, God is our refuge and strength.
A very present help in trouble.
All right.
Now where does where does peace come from?
Peace comes from the presence of Christ in the trouble.
It doesn't come from absence of trouble.
It comes from the presence of Christ in the trouble.
He said, our God is a present help in trouble.
Watch this.
Therefore, will not we fear though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea, though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.
Now let me tell you something.
He went to the zenith of man's problems.
What would you do today if there was such a cataclysmic natural disaster that it literally raised the mountains up out of their place and they fell into the sea and the oceans carried with a huge tsunami, wiping out everything in its past, and we literally were living in a physical world where everything under a physical natural disaster was absolutely destroyed.
He's saying this.
In other words, he's saying, what if the world just fell apart tomorrow?
He said, We will not fear.
Because our refuge is in God, and he is a very present help.
As the world's falling apart, the Lord will be right with him.
That's why he says in Psalm 46, 10, in the same passage scripture, be still and know that I am God.
You know the problem with us?
We let our troubles and our circumstances so agitate us that we can never get our mind to stop thinking about the problems and our way through them, and we never stop and just get focused on him.
When's the last time?
Listen to me.
When's the last time you just got still?
And you got your Bible out, and you just walked with him.
And you listened.
And you heard his voice.
Jesus said, My sheep hear my voice.
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Let's go back to Pastor Dean Miller.
Yeah, I have ears to hear later.
Let him hear what the Spirit of God said to the churches.
I want to tell you, we're so busy talking and thinking and conniving and manipulating and figuring it all out.
But we don't take time to just be still.
Here's Moses, Red Sea in front of him, hard rock and in a sharp place on both sides.
The Egyptians coming behind him.
And what does he do?
What does God say?
What is God's answer in that moment?
Be still.
Stand still and see the salvation of the Lord.
God oftentimes just tells his people in the storm, be still.
Now I want to tell you something today.
Listen to me.
The peace of God is very practical.
No matter what you're going through right now, if you'll be spiritually minded about it, and you'll think about that through the mind of Christ and through the Holy Spirit of God, the Lord will be a present help in the time of trouble.
And he'll walk with you through your valley and through your circumstance, and you will realize the peace of God in the problem.
The problem didn't go away.
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abandonego were in the fire, but so was Jesus.
Jesus walked in the fire with them.
The presence of Christ in the fire brought peace.
It wasn't the absence of the fire.
Now let me give you this lastly.
The peace of Jesus Christ is always victorious.
I wish I could help you with this.
There are so many people.
I I've as a pastor, I have talked to people over and over and over again.
Pastor, I have no peace in my soul.
I have no peace in my soul.
I'm in trouble.
And they're always talking about their troubles and their problems and their trials.
And they never have peace.
There's no peace in their heart.
There's no peace in their home.
There's no peace in their orbit.
How many of you know that I have problems?
Alright?
I'm a pastor.
I got problems.
And you're not them, okay.
I've got deacons.
I've got staff.
We've got budgets.
I'm married.
I have children.
I have grandchildren.
I've got I've got problems in my life.
I have I have machines in my house that break.
My wife called me the other day.
Her car broke down.
She was stranded out there.
I said, I'm going to come and help you.
It was the day that Charlie Kirk got shot.
It was just a few moments after I found out he was dead, and my mind was not in the right place.
I'm driving to her.
I have no tool bag.
I have no jumper cables.
I'm just coming in like I'm going to be Superman and I'm going to just, you know, just touch the car.
I'm going to pray over it.
I'm going to anoint it with oil and pray over it.
And it'll start.
And uh listen, we all have troubles.
We all have problems.
I've got problems.
I've got grief in my heart.
You do too.
And peace of God, listen, peace of God does not come from the absence of problems, it comes with the presence of Christ.
And the peace of Christ is victorious over those problems.
Let me give them to you.
Watch this.
Look what Jesus said in verse 30.
He said, Hereafter I will not talk with you much.
For the prince of this world cometh and hath nothing in me.
Now what's Jesus saying here?
He's saying, listen, I'm going to war with Satan in just a moment.
Satan is coming, and he's going to unleash his very worst against me.
I'm going to be stripped naked.
I'm going to be beaten.
I'm going to be crucified.
And I'm going to suffer with everything that hell can throw at me.
I'm going to suffer.
But notice what Jesus said.
But he has nothing in me.
He has nothing in me.
In other words, there's nothing in my life that Satan can get a handle on.
He can't get a hold of anything in my life.
You know, that's the problem with us.
Sometimes we get awake at night and the devil gets a hold of something in our life, and he troubles us over that thing.
He's got something to hang on to.
Let me tell you this.
Listen, Jesus said, My peace, my peace can overcome all of that, and you can have a peace where the devil has nothing to get a hold of.
By the way, you know how you keep the devil from getting a hold of it?
You let Christ have hold of it first.
The thing that's troubling you, give it to him.
Cast your care upon him.
And say, Lord, I'm going to trouble you with this.
And I'm going to trouble you with that.
So when the devil comes and says, hey, what about this?
What are you going to do about this problem?
This financial problem.
Oh, it's not my problem.
I gave it to the Lord.
Go talk to him about it.
Well, what about this marriage problem?
Well, it's not my problem.
Go talk to the Lord about it.
I already gave the Lord.
What are you going to do about your husband?
I don't know.
I gave it to the Lord.
The Lord's got to figure that out.
I'm going to love him.
What are you going to do about that wife?
I don't know.
I gave her to the Lord.
He'll have to figure it out.
I'm just going to love her.
Everybody with me right now?
Jesus said, There's nothing in my life that Satan can get a hold of because his peace is victorious.
Now watch.
Jesus was facing the cross with perfect peace.
Because his life was in obedience to the Father.
He said, Listen, I'm doing this out of obedience.
I've made myself obedient even unto death.
I am doing the will of him that sent me.
And because he was at peace with God, he was infused with the peace of God, and he was walking into Calvary with calm.
Listen to me very carefully.
I want to hear, I want you to hear this.
The world's thought of peace is calm.
Really is tranquility.
If we can just get things to calm down, if things can calm down, everybody can calm down.
By the way, men, I would just encourage you.
That's not really the approach that you want to take when your wife's having a bad day is to tell her just to calm down.
That does not work.
Take it from a man who've been married for 30 years with three daughters in the house.
Why don't you calm down?
Oh.
Oh.
That's basically a code word for why don't you just absolutely want to gouge my eyes out right now.
The world's peace is not about calm.
If I could just go to the mountains.
If I could just camp.
If I could just get by a stream.
I heard about a man one time that went up to a monk that was in one of those high hills, and he said, Sir, I am so troubled.
I have enemies.
I've got one man in particular that just plagues me, and I have no rest.
I have no peace in my soul.
And that monk said, I want you to go sit by the stream.
And I want you to stare in that stream for as long as it takes until peace comes to your mind and your heart.
The man went to that stream and he stared in that stream, and peace wasn't coming, peace wasn't coming, peace wasn't coming.
And finally, he was overwhelmed with peace.
The monk said, Did you get it?
He said, I got it.
He said, What did you see in the stream?
He said, I saw both of my hands down in that stream around the throat of my enemy, and I was holding his face under the water, and I was filled peace.
Listen, that's what the world thinks.
The world thinks if I could just get rid of my problems, if I could just get rid of my enemies, if I could just sit by a nice stream and sit at the beach and hear the waves, I would have no trouble.
Listen to me.
Watch this.
Jesus' peace is not about calm, it's confidence.
His peace is confidence in God.
Now I'm finished, but listen to me.
Here's the conclusion of the whole matter.
Are you ready?
The world's peace comes when the storm passes.
The world's peace comes when the bank accounts are full.
The world's peace comes when your job is secure.
The world's peace comes when the doctor's report is benign.
The world's peace comes when the marriage is Working splendidly.
The world's peace comes when the children are healthy and minding and following.
But let me just tell you something.
All of that is paper thin.
And in one moment, it can all collapse.
Is in the middle of the storm.
Jesus' peace is seen when the diagnosis comes.
And it's cancer.
Jesus peace comes when the children go astray.
Jesus peace is felt in the middle of the night when you reach your hand over to the side of the bed where your spouse used to lay.
And there's nobody there.
And the loneliness is there.
And there's a longing and a heartache.
In those moments, you can know the peace of Jesus Christ.
And the confidence that you have in him.
If you get peace that this world can give you, this world will take it away.
But when you get the peace that Jesus gives you, I wish I could explain it to you today, but I can't.
Because the Bible says it is peace that passeth.
Understand.
I can't explain it to you.
I can't articulate to you.
All I can tell you is you can have it.
And that Jesus has given you his peace.
And in this world, it'll make you a Christian that is confident and bold and at rest with God.
And you can walk into your house.
Listen to me.
A widow can walk into her house with confidence that she is not alone, that he is not alone, that the Lord is with him.
Listen to me, that he will never leave you or forsake you.
You can know his presence in the midst of that loneliness.
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This is the man!
Well, it wouldn't mean nothing, nothing, nothing about a woman or a girl.
The man runs in power, but he doesn't know what the great being is.
How does he speak?
In the hand, he's a young man.
And all even who is grieving over children who have gone wayward can pray in confidence and have peace That there is a father in heaven who understands more deeply than they understand, and what I cannot do in my child's life, he can do in my child's heart, and I can pray in confidence, and I can walk in assurance, and I can know the peace of God that with him all things, all things are under his sovereignty.
That's the peace of Jesus Christ.
Now friend, I want to tell you, you cannot know peace of Christ until you have peace with God.
And Jesus is the only way to have peace with God.
He has come to die your death, to bear your sins, to go to old gruesome Calvary, to die for you, that you can have salvation through Jesus Christ.
And there is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved.
If you'll come to Jesus Christ to be saved, let me tell you what to do.
He'll take you in all of your sin.
He'll forgive you, he'll he'll wash you, he'll clothe you in righteousness, and he'll reconcile you to the Father, and you'll no longer be a sinner under the judgment of a God, you'll be a son in relationship with the Father.
Jesus will make peace with God.
And then he'll infuse you with the peace of God.
And you can walk at peace today if you'll walk in relationship with Jesus Christ.
The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace.
No one can give that to you.
And no one can take it away.
That was Pastor Dean Miller from Front Range Baptist Church.
An incredible sermon.
We're always thankful to be able to share those here on the show.
And I am very just, you know, blessed to give you that message here today.
And in today's show, we're gonna get into some other interesting topics as well, including uh covering the memorial for Charlie Kirk, which took place, an incredible sight to see a stadium packed with tens of thousands of people in Arizona.
Um just incredible event.
There was worship, there was praise, there was revival, there was speeches and remembrance, and uh everybody from Tucker Carlson to Donald Trump and Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow were able to get on stage and give incredible speeches.
And it was just an incredible time where, um, A lot of great things happened, and it was just such a blessing to watch it all unfold, to be quite honest.
And in today's show, you know, I have a few clips.
I want to play from it.
I'd like to play some of the music that was shared there because I happen to think that revival in music is...
Um so important.
Chris Tomlin saying this, how great is our God.
Listen to this.
You are Father, Spirit, and Son, the Lion and the Lamb, the Lion and the Lamb.
How great is our God.
Sing with me how great is our God.
And all will see how great, how great is our God.
Name above all names.
You're the name above all names.
Worthy of all praise.
And my heart will see how great is our God.
Name above.
You're the name above all names.
Worthy of all praise.
And my heart will see how great is our God.
How great.
Thank you.
And that was just uh one sampling of it there.
And it was a variable who's who for the music side of Christian contemporary music.
I don't know if any of you out there are fan of it.
I know I am.
Uh basically it's pretty much all I listen to music-wise.
Uh so when I was listening to all these different incredible tributes paid to Charlie from all these different incredible artists, um, from Phil Wickham to Brandon Lake to a number of other incredible artists.
It was just really it was just really powerful, Chris Tollin, like we just heard.
Um I was just very, very taken back by it.
And thought it was just one of the most uh powerful things not to mention.
There was preaching there of the gospel.
There was an incredible moment where people were asked if they'd like to give their life to Christ, and many, many stood up and professed a desire to give their life to Christ.
And I mean, I was just so thankful for, and you know, everybody wants to politicize it, and everybody wants to say what they will about it.
Some people were criticizing this thing or that thing.
But my my overall takeaway from it is watching it come together, in my opinion, given what I know about Charlie, which I'm not an expert on Charlie by any means.
I know enough about him though.
I think he would have been very pleased with the way it came together.
And I think it if he were to have been given a chance to plan his own funeral, right?
That it probably would have looked something like it did.
I'm not even sure he could have imagined though.
You know, filling a stadium with tens of thousands of people.
Although I'm sure he would have been quite pleased by it.
Uh professing the name of the Lord, sharing the gospel openly.
A modern day revival, and we need that in our country.
We need more of it, and thanks to God that we're able to do it.
And uh, yeah, so let's take a break and come back.
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there's something happening here but what it is ain't exactly clear There's a man with a gun over there Telling me I've got to beware I think it's time we stop, children.
What's that sound?
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Thank you.
Welcome back, Just Forum Talk Radio.
I'm your host, Craig James, and you know, it looks as though there were some really touching moments in the tribute, the memorial for Charlie Kirk.
One moment that stood out that everybody's talking about is this moment where Erica Kirk, Charlie's wife, now widow, um, went on stage and she gave a speech and she talked about forgiveness, and she uh invoked the words of our Heavenly Father,
Jesus Christ, our Savior, and saying forgive them for they know not what they do.
And when she did that, it was powerful.
And then she said that she forgave the killer, right?
And some people pointed out, and I think it's the reasonable thing to say is that well, the killer has expressed no remorse and is expressed no um desire to be forgiven.
He has not asked for forgiveness.
So why is she giving it to him?
And I think that in a way I can understand that point, but I also would say that we have to remind ourselves that living with in the spirit of Christ is doing things that seem counterintuitive, but work in a way to honor God, and they take that which is for evil, or take yeah, take to take that which is meant for evil and turn it for good.
And she's leading by an example that was given to us on the cross.
And it's not to say that she she may forgive him, but as we point out, the authority is given power by God to distribute punishment accordingly.
Romans 13.
You can read all about it in there.
And this kid, if he is the in fact guilty, which that whole story is getting crazier by the day.
I don't even know what to make of it, but he is gonna suffer for what he's done, whatever that may be.
Right.
Her forgiving him is more releasing for I see it more as her releasing herself from the pain and and sorrow that and grief that it will cause her to hold that hatred and anger in her heart.
So before people say, oh, well, you know, he doesn't ask for forgiveness, why forgive him.
You're not you're you're forgiving him to release yourself from that pain that you're gonna put yourself through if you hold that anger within and contempt forever.
That's the way I read it.
That's the way I saw her words, that's what I heard it.
Um but you know, everybody's entitled to make their own decision as to what they believe was meant there.
I mean, only truly Erica will know in her heart what she meant.
Regardless.
Many people were criticizing it, and um a few of the incidents that took place there.
Um to and including uh some words given by some of the people there.
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So it's hour two, and like I was saying about the uh Charlie Kirk thing, we'll get into some of that.
It looks like we have a caller.
Uh maybe we'll try to bring him on air.
Caller, you're on the air.
What do you got?
Um this is Eric A. Uh, I haven't talked to you in a minute, but yesterday when I was listening to um to Erica, and when she when she you know said that she forgave him, um just hours before that.
I don't know what but ever since this happened, I've been like overwhelmed, you know, just because um I know I wasn't as good as Charlie Kirk.
I felt like he was like the best of us.
And I know I deserve to die a lot of times, and somehow God's hand came in and I didn't.
And uh it was it it I guess it's just been a lot, it's been probably hard for a lot of people this week.
And um and I had said a prayer for for the guy who committed that heinous act, that heinous act of somebody who did not deserve it.
Um but I said a prayer for him because I felt like I guess I think that, you know, they're all our brothers and sisters, whether we like what they do, how they think, but I think they're lost.
Like the whole left, that that way radical left is lost.
You know, at the end of the day, they have a soul, just like we do.
And I think they're right now, they're they're just lost.
You know, they've been corrupted by evil spirits, you know.
The devil's rampant right now in this world, and um just hit me.
I don't know, bro.
It just hit me.
Yeah, I mean, well, scripturally, we are taught to pray for our enemies.
That is for sure something we are meant to do, and I do believe that your observation about how you know these are lost souls is very accurate.
Um, you know, many people oftentimes will look at the way we react to certain things as Christians, and they'll point it out and they will mock us and they will point at it and say it is a point of weakness for us.
But I've always argued and I've always held that the ultimate sign of strength is being able to live as Christ told us to live.
And in that way, you know, what Erica did was very very strong, and like I said before, her forgiveness, although unrequested, perhaps, and I could only guess is playing a part in her healing process to allow her to move past the point of anger.
Because, you know, we we learn in scripture as well, and in James, you know, it talks about how our anger doesn't satisfy God's righteousness, and we're to be quick to speak slow to hear and and or slow to excuse me, quick to speak slow to hear, and slow to anger, right?
And I may have got that wrong.
Sorry, it's been a long warning.
But regardless, uh if our anger doesn't satisfy God's righteousness, then there is no way that we can expect ourselves if we hold on to those things without giving forgiveness to be able to heal properly and to move on.
And that's what I saw, and I think a lot of us on an individual level will have to do that too, especially since it could not be more clear that the intent of that was not just to silence a voice, but it was to to send a message to start a battle, to start a war that if we play into it, we'll play into their hands.
It was like I was saying on a show like last week or so, you know, I don't want my anger to drive my decision making, because that's when I'll make mistakes.
That's when I'll act out of, you know, in an unrighteous way.
I have to use that anger as a strong uh uh as a as a way to channel it into um you know acting more with more effort for the gospel, you know.
So that that's the way I would look at it.
And and I'm not a righteous person.
Like I am not in no way, I am not Charlie Kirk.
Well, no, I mean Charlie Kirk, none of them are righteous.
None are righteous.
No not one of us can't I get angry, you know, almost daily, and I you know, daily I want to whoop somebody's ass or or beat somebody up, or you know, and and I gotta check myself and pray and say, please Jesus help me ride off this temptation of anger.
Not one no, not one of us are worthy, but by the grace of God and the sacrifice made on the cross, are we able to uh come to God to come to the Lord?
We had that propitiation made in blood on the cross.
So Charlie was not perfect, he knew that.
We are not perfect, we know that.
Even we can't even compare ourselves to one another because what's ultimately happened is there was a sacrifice made on that cross at Calvary for us, so that we may have peace and hope and solace and eternal salvation that we would otherwise not have.
And and that's ultimately Charlie knew that.
I think we know that.
And that's one thing our enemies don't seem to understand.
The more that they hate us, it's like Jesus said, they hate you, but they hated me first, right?
And uh I that's the way I see it, but but I understand what you're saying.
I get I get your sentiment.
I mean, Charlie was a good man, and we we lost a great man, but I mean, look at look at the writing.
It it's already written on the wall there.
His legacy, I think will grow and do more for the gospel than he perhaps could have ever imagined.
And God's got a plan, you know.
So remember, to live is Christ, but to die is gain.
So Charlie made the ultimate gain.
And he is with the father in heaven now and the son.
So that's the way I would I would put it.
But yeah.
Anyways, I love your show.
Keep it up, man.
I haven't talked to you in a minute, but I'm still listening.
God bless you all.
God bless you, brother.
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I am your host, Craig James, and I'm your host, Craig James.
And I hope uh you guys are ready.
I want to play some of these clips.
Um of them, as a matter of fact, are are more interesting than others.
Um I want to play a few of 'em.
Okay.
But somebody texted in, said, good morning.
Could there be more of this than an innocent?
Pretty CSL, American Sign Language.
No.
Somebody texted and asked about the hand signal that um Erica made where she put up the the hand and it looks it looks kinda like, you know, kind of like the rock on, but it actually is American Sign Language.
And I don't think people I mean, like, it's something Charlie did all the time.
And that's why she did it.
It's something they did to each other.
It's the American sign language for I Love You.
It's where you put your finger, it's kind of like you put your thumb out, your index and your pinky up and your ring and your middle finger down, and you hold it out.
It's definitely not.
I mean, I I wouldn't read more into that.
I think she was doing it.
There's a sign with his picture behind this this or in front of the stage.
She was looking right at it, saying, I love you.
I wouldn't read more into it than what's there.
So that's just me.
So let's take a second and listen to some of the clips from this show.
And we'll do that right now.
I mean, I want to play.
I'm trying to think of which clips to play.
I guess we'll just start with Erica Kirk, part of her speech here.
Let's listen.
God's love was revealed to me on the very day my husband was murdered.
On the afternoon of September 10th, I arrived at a Utah hospital to do the unthinkable.
to look directly at my husband's murdered body.
I saw the wound that ended his life.
I felt everything you would expect to feel.
I felt shock.
I felt horror.
And a level of heartache that I didn't even know existed.
Amen.
But there was something else too.
Even in death I could see the man that I love.
I saw the one single gray hair on the side of his head, which I never told him about.
Now he knows.
Sorry, baby, telling you now, but never told him.
didn't want to.
I also saw this.
I also saw on his lips the faintest smile.
I And that told me something important.
It revealed to me a great mercy from God in this tragedy.
When I saw that, it told me Charlie didn't suffer.
Even the doctor told me.
It was something so instant that even if Charlie had been shot in the operating room itself.
Nothing could have been done.
There was no fame.
There was no fear.
No agony.
One moment Charlie was doing what he loved.
Arguing and debating on campus.
Fighting for the gospel.
In front of a big crowd.
And then he blinked.
He blinked.
And saw his savior in paradise.
Thank you, guys.
Thank you.
So that was a powerful.
And then I want to play this Tar Cross clip.
This is a controversial one.
That everybody's talking about.
Let's listen to it.
Ladies and gentlemen.
Tucker Carlson.
Thank you.
Ah, that made me emotional.
Made me emotional to see that.
Susie Wiles had tears in her eyes.
Ugh, which you don't you don't often see in politics, but it's real.
This is the most unbelievable thing I think I've ever seen.
And I don't.
Whatever happens next in America, I hope it's in this direction because God is here, and you can feel it.
And Charlie would have loved this, not just because he loved large groups of people, but because ultimately he was a Christian evangelist.
And it actually reminds me of my favorite story ever.
So it's about 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem, and Jesus shows up and he starts talking about the people in power.
And he starts doing the worst thing that you can do, which is telling the truth about people, and they hate it.
And they just go bonkers.
They hate it.
And they become obsessed with making him stop.
This guy's got to stop talking.
We've got to shut this guy up.
And I can just sort of picture the scene in a lamp-lit room with a bunch of guys sitting around and eating hummus, thinking about what do we do about this guy telling the truth about us.
We must make him stop talking.
And there's always one guy with the bright idea, and I could just hear him say, I've got an idea, why don't we just kill him?
That'll shut him up.
That'll fix the problem.
It doesn't work that way.
It doesn't work that way.
Everything is inverted, and the Beatitudes tell it, I think the most crisply.
Everything is sort of the opposite of what you think it's going to be.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
That is true, and you can feel it here.
And I'm trying not to be emotional because, in addition to everything else, he was a wonderful man and a decent man, and one of those rare people you meet who you just groove with in conversation and have these very intense conversations that you don't stop thinking about, which is my experience with him.
But the main thing about Charlie and his message, he was bringing the gospel to the country.
He was doing the thing that the people in charge hate most, which is calling for them to repent.
So how is Charlie's message different?
And Charlie was a political person who was deeply interested in coalition building and in getting the right people in office because he knew that vast improvements are possible politically, but he also knew that politics is not the final answer.
It can't answer the deepest questions, actually.
That the only real solution is Jesus.
And the reason, it's really simple.
Politics, at its core, is a process of critiquing other people and getting them to change.
Christianity, the gospel message, the message of Jesus begins with repentance.
Christianity calls upon you to change.
Our core prayer given to us by Jesus, the Lord's prayer, demands that we forgive other people, but preceding that is a request for our forgiveness.
In other words, forgive us our sins, meditate on what we've done wrong, how we've fallen short, and then it becomes possible to forgive other people.
That is a call to change our hearts from Jesus.
And that is the only way forward in this country.
That is the only solution to where we all know we're going.
And Charlie knew where we were going without that.
And that is not a call for being politically passive, of course not.
I stood at many stages with Charlie calling for various people to be elected, particularly Donald Trump.
And I'm proud of that.
Is that change begins, the only change that matters when we repent of our sins.
We, me.
A recognition that the real problem is me and how fallen I am.
And that was the reason that Charlie was fearless at all times.
truly fearless, to his last moment.
He was unafraid, he was not defensive, and there was no hate in his heart.
I know that because I've got a little hate compartment in my heart.
And I would often express that to Charlie about various people, and he would always say, always say, that's a sad person.
That's a broken person.
That's person who needs help.
That's a person who needs Jesus.
He said that in private.
Because he meant it.
So I guess I would just say this gathering and God's presence, God's very obvious presence in this room, the presence of Jesus is a reminder of what we've known for 2,000 years.
Which is any attempt to extinguish the light causes it to burn brighter every single time.
So as we as we proceed into whatever comes next, and clearly something's coming next.
Remember this moment.
Remember being in a room with the Holy Spirit humming like a tuning fork.
This is the way.
Right here.
This is the way.
And that is what Charlie Kirk was saying underneath it all.
Wow.
I mean, look, I don't care what anyone says about it.
Tucker was clearly making an implication there with the remarks at the beginning.
And good on him.
You know, call it like it is.
To the people, as he said, you know, it's clear that, for instance, many have called out, Tucker included, the fact that, you know, in the immediate aftermath of Charlie Kirk's death, uh, certain leaders from certain countries opportunistically seized upon that moment to, you know, lobby for more support for their causes that seemed clear that Charlie would have not been in support of, right?
Which makes them detestable and loathsome.
But even beyond that, the explanation that he was making was giving us literally from Scripture what it says.
Go read First Thessalonians.
It talks about the you know, who killed Jesus, right?
And I'll let you guys figure that out for yourself if you go read the scripture.
Don't let me tell you.
Go read it.
Go read what it says in 1 Thessalonians about those who killed Jesus.
And so what Tarker's saying about, you know, people sitting around a room eating hummus saying we need to kill this guy because he's speaking truth.
It's just, you know, I these people, these insufferable boomers.
I mean, no offense if you're a boomer, because there are plenty of awesome great boomers who I love.
You guys are the best.
But there are some of these people, sometimes older, sometimes not, who immediately knee jerk reaction.
Oh, clutching their pearls.
Oh, it's anti-Semitic to say what the Bible says, to talk about people who plot, plotted the murder of an innocent man, and make a comparison to a man who clearly did not deserve to be killed in the way that he was as an innocent man himself.
Now, none of us are truly innocent in regard to I mean, we all have sinned, we all fall short.
Jesus was the only truly innocent man to ever live.
But still, I think we can all agree that Charlie Kirk certainly was an innocent man in the sense that he did not deserve to be murdered publicly, executed for doing nothing other than speaking, debating, preaching the gospel.
So look.
I don't know.
I thought Tucker's speech was great.
I give it a thumbs up.
And if people don't like that, kick rocks, pound sand, suck on a lemon.
I don't care what you do.
Just don't start telling me about anti-Semitism until you realize what the Bible says and what Tucker was trying to say.
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There's more to cover.
I mean, part of me wants to really talk about some of the incredible uh music that was there because I and the warship, which I thought was really great.
But there were other, you know, the many people criticized Trump, said they turned it into like a Trump can't uh Trump rally.
I mean, look, I I truly believe that if you asked, you know, Charlie what he would want his memorial to be like, he probably would have said exactly what it was.
But um it does look like we have a caller.
So let's let's take the caller real quick.
How about that?
Caller you're on the air, what do you got?
Yeah, um.
Why is it that the church in total, you know, pretty much.
Um they do not talk about Zionism.
And Zionist in particular.
I can't speak for the church, because I'm not the church, but I mean, I would say that in totality, it's I think it's such a point of contention that many pastors don't want to don't want to get in that in the weeds, and then you have on top of that the public pressure of you know this idea of anti-Semitism, everything's anti-Semitic, right?
Uh if you even discuss it.
And then on top of that, you have 5013 C statuses at these churches where they're not technically able to engage in politics, otherwise they can lose they potentially could exemption.
They're tax exemption.
So it's it's like a f it's like a multiple thing.
But if I had to guess, but I don't know.
I've heard pastors talk about it.
I I don't think it's all churches.
Mm-hmm.
I just uh have noticed that uh um this is Jim Hundley.
I'm uh talking to Craig Live, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Um we moved from uh Greeley uh four years ago.
I'm over here in uh and near Smoky Mountain National Park in uh western North Carolina.
Cool.
And uh this chur there's nothing level here.
It's really mountainous, and uh I'm in Franklin, North Carolina, and uh there's a lot of churches here, a lot of them are uh Baptist churches, uh Church of God.
Um I think there's one or two maybe Catholic churches in the area, but the churches are peppered all over the mountains here.
And uh I've noticed that uh pretty much I'm looking for a church here, but they're all they're all uh state churches.
There's no free church here.
And uh that's pretty much true across the country, wouldn't you agree?
It's uh I would say it's difficult to find a church.
I mean, when you say state churches, what can you describe what you mean by that?
Uh a church where the pastor m has signed on to the state's charter, and that document is what you're talking about, which limits their free speech.
Right.
Yeah, no, I that for sure.
That is definitely an issue we have, I think, in the church, and you know I uh I don't have a an answer for it other than to say that I know a lot of people who you know struggle to find a church that is able to preach a message that they can relate to as far as you know what they if you if you're a bio believer, right?
You go read scripture it talks about all these things that nowadays are you know conflated into politics and pastors choose in many cases not to talk about these things, which I think not only does themselves a disservice, but it does a disservice to their members, their church, their congregation.
So I I don't have an answer.
I don't have an answer.
You have to look though, it's hard.
You can there are churches out there though.
I know there are churches that don't work inside that constraint.
Yeah, Craig, I came from uh, you know, uh well, we lived in Greeley uh ten years, but um I um attended uh uh church there that wasn't a 501c3, it was a 508 church.
And a church really i it can be a PMA, uh a private membership or uh organization.
It can be a 508, there's there's there's other ways of escaping this government control of the churches.
See, that's the way I look at it.
You know, it's it's really government, you know, China has state churches, Russia has state churches.
You and when you talk about I can go into our our uh life group, which is a fellowship group here that I go to once a week, and I can start bringing up state the term state churches.
They don't have that have a clue what I'm talking about.
So uh even people that are have positions in a church don't know.
Now if you talk to the pastor or the uh elders, they might know.
May the CFO probably knows, uh the church uh church's uh secretary.
Uh-uh.
Doesn't know.
Yeah.
But uh yeah, that's the way the church is uh uh where the state has pretty much, you know, through the Johnson Amendment or Johnson Act has controlled the uh church and uh because the church used to be in the early uh history of this country, the church is very po popular, uh powerful is what I meant to say.
Uh you know, like with the black robed regiment, that kind of thing.
Yeah, I mean, look, I I hear what you're saying, and it can be frustrating, and I know that you know, there are just so many out there who really do.
I I understand when you're a pastor, you walk a fine line, right?
There's you want you want to bring people to to the gospel, you want to bring them to Christ, but you don't want to, you know, push them away, but you don't want to become one of these churches that's all about you know making people feel good and and ignoring scripture, which is what we see a lot of.
And and so I get it that that pastors are sometimes between a rock and a hard place.
But I I think what characterizes everything very well was that interview uh not too long ago with Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz, where he asked Ted Cruz directly, he goes, you know, why do you support Israel?
And he goes, Well, because it says in Genesis to support Israel.
And he goes, where in Genesis does it say to support Israel?
And he couldn't figure out where it was, and not only that, he couldn't even tell you what it said.
He just said, Oh, well, it tells me to support Israel, so I support Israel.
And you you take a step back and you go, all right, where does that mindset come from?
And look, I know I I go, I meet people all the time.
APAC.
Well, it's not just APAC.
I I'm telling you, I meet a lot of people just out in the real world who that's how they were raised.
Evangelical Christians, Protestant Christians who were raised that you know, you part of your support for you know your church is supporting Israel because that's what you're told to do.
They don't question it.
They don't read the scripture themselves, or they they do and they don't understand it, or I don't know.
And so it can be frustrating then to to break through that.
You have to sit down and have a deep scholarly look at scripture, understanding what's being written and what version you're of scripture you're reading, even.
It's a different thing.
I agree that it's it's a pastor's job to to deliver the gospel, but it's not a pastor's job to keep the peers filled.
And it's not a job to keep the uh plate stuffed.
It's a job to tell the truth.
And if that truth costs people to leave the church, let them leave.
Yeah.
Well, I hear all the time too, you know.
I mean, I think, you know, and then sometimes when I'm doing a show or I'm listening to somebody talk about this stuff, I get the sentiment, there's a saying, it's like I can explain something to you, but I can't understand it for you.
That's right.
And and and that's kind of where you know, I see a lot of this, but look, great call.
I appreciate it.
I wish I had more answers.
Yeah, when you see the truth, you can't unsee it.
I know.
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It's it's clear and apparent.
Let's take a break.
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I'm your host, Craig James, and we're back.
We have a caller on the line.
Is it Jim?
Is that the name?
Yes.
That's right.
Thank you for calling in and bringing this topic up because it is an interesting one.
And I I want to keep going with you for a minute here.
And I would just say this that you know, I'm not a scholar, if it as it were, you know, biblical scholars they say.
I'm not an eschatologist, because a lot of the stuff, you know, these theologians have debated these things for a long time.
I just know what I read in scripture, and I know that as an evangelist, I'm somebody who who shares the gospel, tries to commit the Great Commission every day.
That what I see in Israel, what I see coming from that secular humanist government, what I see in America and support for Israel, I don't think that it aligns with what I'm taught scripturally, right?
Through my my understanding of scripture.
And because there's this great you know, chasm there between what I'm reading and then what I'm seeing and what how people are acting, that's where I get this discrepancy becomes uh difficult to parse through, and a lot of people are locked into it.
So I would just make that, you know, statement of clarity for my clarify something that I feel that's important is that uh the church teaches the gospel.
Ancient Israel.
We this is modern Israel we're dealing with today, with all the warmongering and everything.
So this is Israel that's a corporation, it's been put in place by the Rothschilds, you know, there's Hionist bankers, and uh Israel today.
You know, I think the church thinks that Israel is populated by a majority of uh Christian Jews.
Uh the population of Christian Jews, uh, this is about three-year-old data, is uh less than two percent of the entire population of Israel.
So I guess what I'm saying, uh this whole issue that's going on now with Israel is totally political.
And uh it's devised by Satan, I think.
Yeah, and that's true, and that's another thing.
It's it's it's such a political it is so politically charged that there is you know little to no reference to scripture.
I mean, I think I found out recently that the state of Israel doesn't even recognize evangelical, you know, Christianity as being a form of Christianity, right?
And so in those senses, you you know, you hear BB and you hear Ben Shapiro on Charlie Kirk's show saying I'm gonna I'm gonna for spread the message of Christ.
You're like, what?
Like, I'm gonna give you a million dollars so I can help spread Christ the guy that the guy that he does not believe in, right?
He said he doesn't believe in him.
He he's you know, It's just and like you said, 1948, the Rothschilds, the British uh monarchy, they helped you know create this state.
It's not, you know, it's mostly filled with people from Eastern European uh of Eastern European descent, from Kazaria.
I mean, there's a whole thing there, you know, modern Ukraine and Poland, and and so there's it's such a it's it's a very long thing.
That's I think that's part of the difficulty is trying to re teach history to people like this is the history they're told.
You're conflating things when you're saying, you know, the Israel, the Bible is the Israel that is in Palestine, it's like, well, no.
That's not the Israel that is talked about scripturally.
But anyway, we got another caller, Jim.
I appreciate the call.
Yeah, thank you, Craig.
God bless.
All right, caller, you're on there.
Uh this is Justiform Talk.
Yeah, good morning, Craig Blake from Arizona.
Uh, just a real quick one.
I think Jim would really enjoy the church called Liberty Fellowship.
Once again, that's Liberty Fellowship out of Kalispell, Montana.
And that's all I have.
Have a good uh great day.
All right, Liberty Fellowship.
We'll have to look into that.
Thanks for the call, Blake.
We always appreciate it.
You better.
All right, so a couple texts.
Somebody texted in and said, um, how do you dialogue?
How do we dialogue with somebody who thinks that various countries recognizing Palestine as a country is a sign of revelation coming true.
I don't know.
I mean, I'm not an eschatologist, which is like that's the end times stuff.
Um I don't I don't necessarily have a strong enough grasp on all that.
Just it it's so overwhelming to try to read through revelation even and read through certain parts of scripture and understand what's meant when things are said about it.
A lot of interpretation there.
A lot of people interpret things different ways.
Um I don't know.
I don't know how to break through that.
I wish I did.
Uh I pray for discernment from God to give me clarity of mind to know what to say and how to break through it, but I don't know off the top of my head, I wish.
Somebody said, House of Judah equals the Jewish state of Israel.
Yeah, I mean, perhaps.
It's I'm not even gonna touch it because we don't have enough time.
We have less than a minute.
I don't have time to go through all of it.
But there are twelve tribes, and you know, where those tribes go after the the in 40 AD, it's like I'm a lot there.
And again, I'm not an expert on it, and it's a tough I I'm I'm political scientist by trade, by degree, by uh, you know, true what I was trained in, and I'm an evangelist because I've read the Bible.
I've given my life to Christ, and I've decided to go give the testimony that I have, which is my testimony of how I was saved as a lost sinner who was found and and was rescued by the grace of God and the sacrifice on the cross.
There are people far more well equipped for for me uh than me to to get into these sort of debates as to what I've read enough to be like as they say, dangerous, you know.
I understand enough to to know that what I'm being told is not necessarily true.
Um or what certain people believe perhaps is not correct.
But uh I guess I'll just have to keep learning, open my heart, call for God's discernment.
I need God's discernment in these issues.
I don't have all the answers.
I wish I did.
I guess I don't wish I had all the answers because that would be probably quite burdensome.
But I wish I had the answers that people wanted, but uh we'll just have to keep going here together through it and calling on the name of the Lord and asking him to give us guidance and clarity of mind to understand these things.
So that's where I'm gonna leave it.
We're coming back, one more segment.
We'll wrap it up.
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And I want to thank everybody.
I want to thank the texters and the callers and everybody who called in.
And and look, I wish I had a better way of explaining this.
but the scripture I'm referencing in first Thessalonians, I want to read and that'll be our God's gracious greater segment here for the end of the show.
And then, and I'll kind of talk about it for a minute.
But again, this is a letter being written to the chat, the church in, I believe Thessalonica, if I'm saying that correctly and, And it has an interesting portion in chapter two, verse thirteen through sixteen, and it says this.
This is why we constantly thank God, because when you receive the message about God that you heard from us, you welcomed it not as a human message, but as it truly is, the message of God, which also works effectively in you believers.
For you brothers became in imitators of God's churches in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, since you have also suffered the same things from people of your own country, just as they did from the Jews who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets and persecuted us.
They displease God and are hostile to everybody, hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved.
As a result, they are always completing the number of sins, the number of their sins, and wrath has overtaken them at last.
But as for us, brothers, after we are were forced to leave you for a short time in person, not in heart.
We greatly desired and made every effort to return and see you face to face.
So we wanted to come to you, even I, Paul, time and again, but Satan hindered us.
For who is our hope or joy or crown of boasting in the presence of our Lord Jesus that is coming?
Is it you or is it not you?
For you are our glory and joy.
Now, you can take any verse out of context and make it twist it any way you want.
But if you're just stating a simple fact, right, and you're not trying to use this simple fact to twist a message that is about, you know, uh that is antithetical to what the the message of Christ was.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Understanding the truth of what's happened and what we're told about what's happened is far different than taking something and using it as a as a point from which to breed hatred or to vengeance or or anything else, right?
You're simply saying this is the truth about what happened, and just as I saw with Tucker's speech, I saw him clearly saying that he was saying that our innocent Savior, the only innocent man to ever live, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, was killed for telling the truth by people who wanted to silence that truth.
And that's the example and the comparison we can make in life.
But anyway, other than that, I encourage you guys to go out there with a with a message of hope and peace and love and kindness.
And and remember that in the end, God does win, in fact, and Jesus did die for our sins.
If you haven't accepted Jesus, your Lord and Savior, I invite you now.
Open your heart, say a prayer, call upon his name.
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