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Sept. 16, 2025 - Just Informed Talk - Craig James
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Just Informed Talk with Craig James Podcast - 2025-9-16

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The era is over.
She says it's a federal crime to transmit any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another.
She goes on to say it's a felony to threaten public officials, members of Congress, or their families.
As we continue to read this, she even says you cannot call for someone's murder.
You cannot SWAT a member of Congress.
You cannot dox a conservative family and think it will be brushed off as free speech.
She goes on to say, quote, these acts are punishable crimes, and every single threat will be met with the full force of the law.
She concludes by saying free speech protects ideas, debate even dissent.
But it does not and will never protect violence.
It is clear this violent rhetoric is designed to silence others from voicing, and then it cuts off there, but I will read the rest.
She goes on to say, quote, uh, as I mentioned, punishable crimes, free speech protecting ideas.
It goes to show it is clear this violent rhetoric is designed to silence others from voicing conservative ideals.
We will never be silenced, not for our families, not for our freedoms, and never for Charlie.
His legacy will not be erased by fear or intimidation.
Transitioning now as we have hit the 9 o'clock hour, taking you back out live, as we do see that uh Mr. Grassley there, he is seated as the chairman as FBI Director Kashvatel will soon testify at the Oversight Hearing.
We see it's getting underway.
Let's listen in.
This is our annual FBI oversight hearing.
We meet today in the aftermath of the political assassination of Charlie Kirk, a school shooting, and the senseless murder of Ukrainian refugees, and also to remember several weeks ago the killings in Minnesota.
Charlie Kirk was a man of God, faith, family, and country.
I pray for his wife Erica, children, the whole family.
God bless you, Charlie Kirk.
I've asked uh Director Patel for an update today on this matter.
As we proceed with the hearing, Dr. Patel, Director Patel, I'd like to note that you've agreed along with the COVID.
The Mike Gallagher Show begins in four minutes.
...to one 10-minute round of questioning.
That's more time than your predecessor agreed to.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm your host, Craig James, and uh it's gonna be an interesting show today.
Uh why do I say that?
Well, as you probably noticed, there was no intro music for today's show.
We're having a spot of technical difficulties here at the station, but no not to worry.
It looks like we may in fact be doing a two-hour commercial free show, which not sure if I'm gonna be up for it, but we'll do our best.
We may have to to play a few more videos than normal.
We may have to uh be a little more strategic in how we space this all out.
You know, when you add, oh, I don't know, at least a half hour to the show.
Uh we'll have to make sure that we we do it well.
But uh welcome to the show.
Hope you guys are having a wonderful day.
Today is, of course, the day of fasting and prayer.
Myself and Henry Loki uh from God's Feeding Station are participating.
We hope you guys are participating with us.
Um We like to take a day for fasting and prayer from time to time to remind ourselves of our faith.
Uh, to pray for this country and this world to reconnect though closer with God and and realign ourselves, reset ourselves.
And uh, if you guys are joining us in that, thank you.
Welcome.
We're really happy to have you.
And if not, uh, you can just tag along for the ride, you know.
But um, yeah, you know, like I said, a little bit of technical difficulties.
Always a fun way to start a Tuesday morning.
Um but it'll probably get figured out here sooner than later.
I'm I'm almost certain of that.
You know what I mean?
Because these things have a way of fixing themselves.
I I I have a feeling.
But we'll see.
Oh boy.
Well, I hope you guys are having a good day, as I said before, and I know I am.
Um, even in the wake of all the tragic stuff, to be able to get up and have air in the lungs and air in your lungs and have you know uh the sun shining, and um, you know, so much to be thankful for.
It's always a blessing.
And I I hope you guys are feeling that as well here today.
Uh if not, we'll try to pray for all of you out there.
You can always text in.
I might need you guys to text and call today to help out with the show.
You know, this is a team effort here.
So the number, if you're interested, 877536 1360.
Feel free to uh text or call in any thoughts as we go along here to help keep the show going, uh, as I'll do my best here.
But I guess where I'll start is the whole Charlie Kirk thing, uh, you know, it it's just it's so sad, first of all, what's happened to this young man.
Um a life taken far too soon.
Uh I've been seeing a lot of posts about it online, and there was a poignant one that stood out to me where it was Charlie Kirk standing next to Jesus, you know, pres in in this sort of thing, and he said, you know, God, I could have brought so many more to you.
And and Jesus was saying to him, Charlie, you you don't know how many you have brought to me uh in in what you've done and what's happened.
And uh that's the way I like to remember it.
So, but it gets crazy because we have the killer, supposedly, the alleged killer, um, this Tyler Robinson guy, who is for all intents and purposes a uh homosexual Mormon transgender furry with a transgender furry boyfriend,
and I mean it's just so ridiculous, but um, who decided to go murder Charlie and then went in this Discord server and said he murdered Charlie, and that's the story.
That's the official story.
And they have all these different videos coming out, right, that are, you know, uh crazy, to be quite frank.
Um they have all this surveillance video stuff that's showing they're saying he didn't have a rifle, but he clearly had a bag, which could have had the rifle in it, and then it shows him one time at one point he's in pants, then the next thing you know, he's in shorts, and the guy's walking through neighborhoods, and you know, I don't even know about all that, right?
And then the father ends up turning him in.
I guess they were Mormon, it seems.
Uh, that's at least what I'm hearing via reports.
So the the father and the and the parents and the family are basically conservative Mormons.
One was a sheriff, and the kid gets turned in by his father, who's now presumably gonna be getting a one million dollar reward from Bill Ackman, the billionaire donor, conservative donor, formerly Democrat, who people are pointing out happens to be Jewish, which I wasn't gonna read much into the.
I was trying not to read too much into this whole Israel connection, but it's becoming unavoidable if you're online, right?
Because look, I have to preface this because that's the stupidity of our society.
I don't hate Jewish people.
I love Jewish people.
I love all people.
I'm a Christian who wants everybody to succeed and be happy and wealthy and healthy and wealthy and prosperous.
Right?
Prosperous in the Lord.
And I want people to come to Christ.
I want them to repent, go to Christ.
That's my goal, right?
I don't have any weird deep seated hatred toward you know any certain group of people.
I think we're all flawed humans who sin and make mistakes.
But with that caveat added to all of this conversation, because you have to, because there is no such thing as you know uh free speech really in this country anymore.
It's just been completely destroyed by by all these parties and all their politics.
Um or is being destroyed, I should say.
Yeah, it's weird.
So the Israel stuff, Candace Owens does a show last night.
You know, she's definitely um somebody who I would say is involved in in this story, but uh I guess how about this?
We'll take our first commercial break.
Let's go.
Oh, my gosh.
Oh, let me let me take a I'll try to take a commercial break.
See, it's like, how do you take a commercial break when you don't have a commercial break, right?
Let's see, I'm just clicking, clicking.
It's okay.
Just bear with me.
Let's take a commercial break.
Go to Fox News Live.
Listen, it's called Connect Team, and it's insane.
Okay, that's that's an actual commercial, so we'll try to skip that.
Um let's go to the hearing.
Starting with my chairmanship, I've given one example after another of disgraceful partisan weaponization by federal law enforcement.
Since the Trump administration took power, many FBI agents have been removed.
The removal included agents and prosecutors who became partisan weapons that lost their way, and I've made records public to prove it.
And many of my whistleblowers were aggressively retaliated against by some FBI agents who were subsequently fired.
One FBI whistleblower publicly said of these terminations, quote, ensuring that they no longer work at the FBI isn't retribution, it's responsible leadership, end of quote.
Which brings me to my final and favorite topic, whistleblowers.
In August, ten of my whistle ten of my FBI whistleblowers secured compensation agreement because of your leadership, Director Patel.
It included a mix of reinstatement of the to the FBI, reinstatement of C. We're back.
Oh man.
You know, this is this is what live radio can can produce sometimes.
You know, for all of you out there listening.
Uh we can we can definitely have these days.
It's fitting it's a Tuesday.
That's always you know about right for how this goes.
And um, yeah.
So I was talking about Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens and what's being said, who's being looked into, the whole Israel connection.
Now the FBI's come out, and it sounds like they're trying to connect this to a group called Armed Queers, Salt Lake City, sort of a weird NGO type organization with ties to State Department in the United Nations.
There was some affiliation, I'm guessing, between them and these organizations.
And then of course you have the Israel connection that's coming into play here.
Which is I mean it's all strange.
It's all strange.
I mean, I I can't I can't lie.
The Bill Ackman thing's strange.
It's all just a coincidence.
Today there's 250 U.S. legislatures, legislators in Israel promoting this event called 50 States One Israel.
And it's like at what point?
I mean I don't have anything against Israel, but I'm at the same time like I don't have any affinity toward this government in Israel that's run by, as I've said, secular humanist Jews who despise in many cases and loathe Christians.
They don't even recognize evangelical Christianity as a religion.
And you have these stories coming out about these secret meetings being held in uh in the Hamptons, right?
Between Charlie Kirk and other major conservative influencers where they're basically trying to bribe them into supporting Israel.
And when they say no, you know, magically a few weeks later, a few days later, they end up dead.
And you're like, well, that's strange.
Sure, it's just a coincidence.
But then you find out, and it's being reported, that Bibi Netanyahu himself offered Charlie Kirk a hundred and fifty million dollar investment into Turning Point USA, which he turned down.
And what is the supposition there?
I mean, you're supposed to know, I mean, without it's like saying it without saying it.
If I'm gonna give you 150 million dollars, well, then you're gonna be not saying anything negative about me now, are you?
It's the same exact thing we see with the pharmaceutical companies, right?
And the advertising on CNN and all the major news outlets, where you have companies that come in like Pfizer and buy up all the advertising, pay millions of dollars for it, which takes away any incentive,
or it definitely um makes it far less likely that CNN's gonna be running reports about the the efficacy of vaccinations, or you know, health or or alternative health that health uh meth or um alternatives in health to prescription drugs like diet, exercise, and health.
It's like, no, we're gonna run advertisements for Oreos and you know placlovid or whatever the the one is for you know cholesterol or whatever these companies are.
I don't even know, right?
You see a new medicine every day getting pushed on these networks.
So it's the same thing.
So Israel, Nanya who goes to Charlie's like, hey, I'm gonna give you 150 million.
Charlie says no.
And then he's dead.
And I and again, I'm not and then when you talk about this stuff, they start invoking some medieval blood libels.
They're like, oh, you're you're you must be one of those people who's invoking a medieval blood libel against me.
I'm like, what?
Like, are you uh I don't what are you even talking about?
A medieval blood libel?
I don't even know for 500 years ago?
Is that that where we're we're going?
We're in vo you're saying that I'm invoking some evil blood libel from 500 years ago because I'm saying you tried to pay Charlie Kirk 150 million dollars to speak favorably about your country, and he said no, and all of a sudden I'm I'm the one who's invoking some sort of you know evil blood libel about it.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
And just to give you an idea, I mean we're we're we're here in studio and we're we're gonna this little spot of technical difficulties is getting fig figured out.
So if I seem slightly distracted, it's only because my good friend here is helping me out.
He's he's working hard on that, so I'll try our best to keep it going.
But the fact of the matter is this.
I'm sitting here as a normal human being who doesn't have hate in my heart, who doesn't have some you know, score to settle.
I'm just saying, man, this sounds strange.
Man, this looks weird.
Hey, why is why why did uh all these things come together coincidentally right before this guy gets shot?
And why is a very prominent supporter of Israel, a billionaire, who was one of the people trying to influence Charlie Kirk to be more favorable and and positive toward Israel, why is he paying a million dollars to the father of the homosexual who was dating a transgender furry, the homosexual Mormon who was dating a transgender furry who murdered Charlie Kirk?
I don't even know.
How do these words come out of my mouth?
They are so ridiculous.
But the it and then you ask, and then you sound like you're crazy because you're saying, hey, that's strange.
That's weird.
And again, if I had a shred of a part of me that even remotely would have any animosity, I would even I would try to like recruit myself from the conversation because it would be like, well, you know, I have a bias.
I try to not talk when I have a super you know ridiculous.
If I if I hated something, I'd be like, oh, well, you know, I have my bias.
But I don't even have that toward Israel.
From what I know and what I've seen, what I've read historically.
Israel's done some pretty heinous stuff.
I mean, are we all in agreement that they were, if not behind it, but maybe a large factor in JFK's assassination?
You know, we say the CIA, yes, yes, yes, but JFK was also he came in office, and we know about the what was it, the Haifa nuclear power uh plant where they were enriching uranium and they were trying to get a nuclear program.
I think if I you know correct me if I'm wrong, and and all that stuff, and JFK was like, you know, we're not gonna we're gonna have inspectors, we're gonna, we don't, we don't think we trust you, and then he's dead.
And there were other things going on, of course, you know, you had the Bay of Pigs, you had the CIA, you know, trying to get Operation Northwoods and do all this crazy stuff.
So it was multi-factor, and then of course you had Vietnam, which came, you know, right there.
But I mean, at least there was probably a subset of a subset where it was like there was some involvement.
And Israel is like openly, they go out and say, hey, we're, you know, we're we're we're out here doing this.
We're you know, we're assassinating people, we are master assassins, you know, we we can put bombs in pagers and distribute them amongst our enemies and then blow them up.
But then for me to be like, okay, so you offer this guy 150 million dollars, he turns it down, now he's dead, but you want me to believe that that's a coincidence?
And to not ask any more questions.
And then the the ridiculous thing, though, is to accuse me of some hate-filled anti-Semitic thing.
Because I'm like, well, that's weird.
We could it should we at least talk about it?
And then to have this crazy thing happening in Israel the last, I think yesterday, today, where you have 250 representatives from the House of Legislators meeting together in Israel for a uh uh a conference or an event called fifty states one Israel.
What?
Fifty states want Israel.
How about fifty states want America?
One United States.
What 50 states want Israel?
I'm not Jewish.
I don't know.
I don't know how many what percentage of the population is Jewish here.
It's maybe what?
Two percent.
What are we doing?
Uh psychosical review, like on the computer.
Why is fifty percent of Congress in Israel right now?
Could somebody answer that one for you?
And before I start getting accused of of something that I am not, I just have to ask.
Like at what point do we open the door to the conversation about the the fact that there may be people acting with bad intentions.
Involved in this whole thing.
You know?
That is the part that really gets me.
But here.
I have clips, and I should probably play them.
Uh here we are.
So we have 250 legislators in Israel.
Let's listen to BB Netanyahu.
In which uh uh PLO terrorists murdered uh uh our athletes to the Olympic games.
And uh my predecessor Goldemir vowed that we shall track down these terrorists and get them one by one, which is what we proceeded to do in the leading European countries.
And we did this one by one by one.
Uh I didn't hear a great cry of uh wrongdoing to these countries, even though they weren't harboring terrorists, they just the terrorists were there.
Okay, they didn't even harbor them, as is the case in other cases.
The terrorists happened to be on that soil, and we acted, which is what uh uh democracies do, including the the leading democracy when they have the ability to target terrorists who uh threaten the their civilians.
So this is a principle we established, it's a principle we follow.
It hasn't changed.
All right, so there's BB.
We're gonna have renewed strikes on terrorists in foreign countries.
Oh, really?
We're gonna have renewed strikes on terrorists, foreign countries.
Well, define a terrorist to find a terrorist, right?
Here's another weird clip of uh Bibi at this fifty states, one Israel conference.
Where I believe, I'm gonna try to get this exact clip, but he says basically he's like, well, you know, your cell phones here.
They have they came from Israel.
Hold on.
Let's play it.
You're holding a piece of Israel right there.
You know that?
I mean cell phones?
Any you have cell phones here?
No.
You're holding a piece of Israel right there.
You know that?
I mean, a lot of the cell phones, the medicines, the foods, you eat your tomatoes.
You know where that was made.
Apparently everything was made in Israel.
I d it's a it's an ominous thing to have uh a room full of US legislators, and you tell them, hey, do you have a cell phone in your pocket?
Oh, that was us.
We made that.
Given the context of what we know about pagers and the manufacturing process that was put forward for those, and and what if what about that?
I mean, like to to me, and I'm just trying to like spitball here, right?
But does that not sound like he's saying kind of like we know what's on your cell phones?
We we own your cell phones.
We know uh w the things you don't want us to know or don't think we know, or maybe that's why these two hundred and fifty legislators showed up.
Maybe that they're all involved in in some kind of elaborate scheme.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Strange.
It's just so strange.
And I and I I I don't even know, man.
This is so weird.
I don't like to do this.
So somebody said from the text messages 970, they said, yes, absolutely, thank you for your coverage.
Yes.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Somebody else texted in and said treason.
Well, perhaps.
Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.
I don't know.
It's a weird, weird thing.
And then like as if it couldn't get stranger.
You have Pam Bondi coming out and saying this about somehow Charlie Kirk's murder is connected to Israel because of anti-Semitism.
Listen to this.
These universities are complicit in allowing conservatives to be harassed on campus.
And what happens when you allow a university to harass conservatives and don't expel or don't take an action is what happened last week.
It is.
And, you know, on a broader level, the anti-Semitism.
What's been happening at college campuses around this country is disgusting.
It's despicable.
And we've been fighting that.
We've been fighting these universities left and right.
And we're not going to stop.
There's free speech and then there's hate speech.
And there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie in our society.
Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people so we show them that some action is better than no action?
We will absolutely target you, go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything.
And that's across the aisle.
I mean, look what happened.
Think about Josh Shapiro.
What happened to Governor Shapiro?
I talked to Josh multiple times.
Democrat, governor, Jewish.
They firebombed his house while his wife and children were sleeping upstairs.
It's a miracle.
Nothing worse happened to...
It's a miracle that nothing happened to Josh and he and his family are safe.
They're traumatized, but that's what's happened in this world, and we are gonna fight every step of the way to show that you will face the most severe consequences if you come after someone and you target someone for their political views or for any for any reason at all.
So I get it, what she's saying there.
And people are really pissed off because she said hate speech and said she's going to crack down on it, which I'm pissed off, too.
I don't like hearing that kind of language.
Hate speech isn't real.
It's some made-up fictional fairy dust word that means nothing.
It just means speech you don't like, which in turn is literally just the speech that exists outside of your desired listening button.
But I get that she's trying to say, like, if you I think what she's trying to say is that if you're threatening people with your speech, like you're saying I'm going to hurt you or I'm going to murder you, then that should be taken seriously, which I understand and I agree with.
But to put it in, I mean, how many times do we have to have Pam Bondi come out and just stick her foot straight in her mouth and say the most absolutely idiotic things, and then only to have to backtrack later, somebody's gonna have to release a statement tomorrow or today that says we don't actually believe in policing speech.
We just we meant that violence is not acceptable and da-da-da-da.
Like I'm I'm telling you the fe I'm predicting the future because I'm capable of doing such things.
But um I would, you know, it'd be nice to have a commercial break.
Usually around now we'd have one, and it would it would be uh a welcomed thing, but we're working on that.
I don't know if you can hear in the background.
We got people all over this place just while I'm live on air going at it.
And that's how it's how we get things fixed, you know.
We're we're doers.
Oh boy.
Anyway, um I mean, listening to her say hate speech, and it's just it's like Pam Bondi is not, I don't know how we got her in Citamat Gates.
It's just so unfortunate.
It's so unfortunate.
And to go back, though, I'll play a longer clip.
Maybe this this will be good.
This was uh Elijah Schaefer yesterday with Max Blumenthal talking about this secret conflict uh conservative influencer meeting where Charlie Kirk was being yelled at by donors about the Israel issue.
Listen to this.
The donors were not happy.
They weren't happy with Charlie for platforming Tucker and what happened with Tucker and Meghan Kelly.
This is before he was killed.
I was already hearing this that there was issues with the donors, that they weren't, they weren't happy.
But we didn't know at the time, or we didn't even know fully that there was this meeting that took place in the Hamptons that allegedly Charlie was threatened to to an extent, whether or not it was a verbal direct assault or an implication over this idea that he didn't want to receive the funding.
He didn't want the funding.
And he was saying things like this.
I want to play this for you here.
If you remember this, the day before his assassination, Charlie Kirk, this is AF Post objected to Bibi Netanyahu's assertion that you can't be MAGA if you're anti-Israel.
So the day before he was killed is very important, people.
Listen.
Listen to this.
L question on this, Ben.
I know this might be a tougher question, but BB said, quote, I didn't like how he said this, I'll be honest.
You can't be MAGA if you're anti-Israel.
I don't like it for a couple reasons.
How did you analyze that statement from Bibi?
I mean, and I think that there is the ungenerous way of interpreting that and then the generous way of interpreting that.
So the ungenerous way is to suggest that you have to hold a particular position on every Israeli governmental activity in order to in order to be MAGA.
Which of course is not true.
I mean, you can disagree from the right or from the left with Bibi's policies, and you can still be plenty MAGA.
I think the idea that the BB is putting out there is that if you are taking Kamas' side against Israel in a conflict, it is very difficult to align that with the with the stated positions of the Trump administration or what President Trump himself is doing right now.
You cannot look, I think you can have disagreements on Israel and still be MAGA, obviously.
You should be America first.
But if you're Max, uh I want to go to you with this idea of trouble in paradise, you know, just to just to back up what you're saying.
I mean, what else do you know about that was going on um in terms of this dysfunction leading up to this to this meeting?
Because, you know, I don't know if you'd heard the same things I did, but yeah, that they were mad about Tucker, which is I just want to caveat and say I don't think it was by accident that J.D. Vance chose Tucker to be his guest uh when taking over the Charlie Kirk show.
I think there's something going deeper inside the party.
What do you what are your thoughts on this?
I don't think it was an accident that Charlie Kirk, I think two weeks ago added Marjorie Taylor Green to TPUSA's America Fest this December.
I mean, what does that say?
She she's the she's the most outspoken opponent of Netanyahu in Congress, period.
She's more outspoken than AOC or anyone on the left.
So something was going on there.
And this is a crisis.
It's a crisis that's like a microcosm for the same crisis enveloping the Democratic Party.
Because they have the same Zionist billionaire class paying basically their bills.
Like the Democratic National Committee headquarters, the whole building was built by Haim Saban, who is a billionaire from Hollywood from Israel who was born in Israel, who said, I'm a one-issue guy and my issue is Israel.
So he's like, I built your building.
I will take it down if you don't do exactly what I want.
And the DNC just had a big debate over suspending arms to Israel to force them to stop this heinous genocide in which possibly 200,000 people have been killed.
And the head of the DNC, against the will of the whole all most of the constituents to shut it down.
And you're starting to see the same thing within the right and the America First movement for different reasons.
I mean, one reason is why is this guy from another country making personnel decisions in the White House?
Why is he able to call up the leader of the largest conservative youth organization and tell him what to do?
But you have a problem where you have this kind of one percent that really only cares about one thing, which is A foreign country that's involved in an ethnic cleansing campaign.
It's not America.
It's not American uh interests, and they're dictating what everyone can do, and they don't want to do it anymore.
And that puts Charlie Kirk in the middle of it.
Charlie Kerr was trying to kind of bridge the divide.
I don't think he was in the same place Tucker or Marjorie Taylor Green were, or certainly not uh certainly not me.
Um, but he couldn't.
It was becoming irreconcilable, and still and so he was starting to cede to his own base, and that's why Bill Ackman called him in.
And I just learned some new things about this meeting that.
So just stopping there, because there's more.
I'll play it.
We had somebody calling in.
Uh let's bring bring the caller on air, caller on air.
What do you got?
Hey, good morning, Craig.
This is uh Blake from Arizona.
A lot to unpack.
Um the uh the the thing that I I had a change of heart in Charlie Kirk uh recently.
Uh there was a one of his programs, and there was a person who asked a question, he goes, they were talking about USS Liberty, and Charlie Kirk just shut him down saying, Oh, it didn't happen.
I think that was about six, eight months ago, saying that the USS Liberty didn't happen.
And I'm like, BS at the end of you know, I'm not listening to this stuff anymore.
And then in the back, you know, he's slowly seeing the light.
And um, you know, it's a tragedy what happened to him.
But now the manufactured evidence are trying to, you know, make the magic bullet in the magic backpack.
And I've watched the video of that so-called shooter jumping off the building, and it looks like it's almost a full collapse when that guy hits the hits the ground.
Uh if you know, if there is a rifle, all right.
Yeah, wouldn't there be indentations in the ground where he hit the barrel, the butt stop, whatever.
Um then they find a uh a rifle that's fully assembled in the woods.
Um it's gonna be interesting to see if there's mud or grass or anything on the on the weapon.
Um there's so much to be unpacked.
Um I don't know what to make it.
All I know is Patel and Bangino came out that said Epstein killed himself, and I mean, they're asking us to believe what JFK killed himself now.
I I don't I don't know.
Um, I think factured evidence.
So, and if if when you call in if you could turn down your end, I don't know, I'm getting a little feedback from you uh when I speak, but I would say this that basically the the rifle thing is interesting because I've watched that video too, and I don't know what anybody's talking about, because he clearly has a big black duffel bag in his hand when he jumps off the building.
I mean, it's like clear as day that there's a bag that he has in his hand when he's jumping off the building.
So I don't know what people are saying about like where was the rifle.
It's like the rifle was clearly in the giant duffel bag he was holding in his hand.
Um so that's the first thing.
The second thing is that you know it is ridiculous that Patel and Bon Gino said that about Epstein, but I think when you get read into these programs, what they do is they say, hey, you know, here is the here's the situation.
Epstein was a Massad agent, he was doing this blackmail operation, this is classified, we can't disclose this to the public.
Whatever happened to him in that jail cell happened.
We stick to the official story.
So that's why they said that, obviously.
And that's why every time you see them, they have that thousand-yard stare.
Like they what happens is when you get read into these classified, you know, programs, it's like you have before they do it, oftentimes, depending on the level of the classification, you'll have like a come to Jesus meeting.
Nick talks about it all the time.
They take you to a tile room that's got a drain in the floor, and they say, you know, if you if you disclose anything you're told, this is the last room you're gonna see.
You know, before you come to Jesus.
So it those are the things I think about with regard to that.
And then I I think this kid did it.
I don't think he's you know, they say Patsy.
Patsy's a word that gets thrown out a lot.
It's like, well, what is a patsy, right?
Patsy sort of implicates that he didn't do it, but I think he clearly did do it.
But I but then I I think of like where who was talking to him in these Discord chats, because how many times have we found out that these mass shooters or the these these crazy people who go out and do these horrific things?
Like I remember the kid who shot up that grocery store in Buffalo.
You remember that story, and it came out after that he was talking to some federal agent in one of those Discord chats who was like telling them which armor to buy and which you know headgear to buy and which rifles to use.
But then it never went any further than that.
They were just like, oh yeah, well, you know, he was talking to the federal agent, but we're not going to talk about that.
And you know, they're all on SSRIs, they're all mentally deranged, so they're perfect candidates for like MK Ultra type of stuff.
So remember, when it like let's presume there is some well, let's just for for argument's sake, say Israel is involved, or intelligence assets are involved.
They will never participate in an operation without having plausible deniability built in.
Do you know what I mean?
Correct.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, you you mentioned the duffel bag.
I I see a towel or something.
I I'm not seeing the duffel bag.
Uh and it's a video of a video of a video, and um I was listening to the phone.
I don't know.
I maybe we're looking at different videos, because the one I saw, it it's clear as day, he's jumping off the building like he's hanging off the side, and you can see in his right hand, he is he he kind of is coming down and he's got he's hanging on with one hand and the other hand, you can clearly see he's got a giant black duffel bag, and then he lands, he picks it up and walks away with it.
Yeah, I'm I'm sure we're talking about the same video.
Um the the the question is it's uh you know, the takedown rifle and everything like that.
One thing that I mean you can disassemble and make the action and the and the stock in the two pieces and then put them back together.
Problem with that is um it does it return the zero, and just because Charlie was shot in his neck doesn't mean that's where the person was aiming.
I mean, it could have been just a unlucky shot or luck.
Um, if you think about the if you think about it, if the site got sort of messed up, right?
Maybe he didn't mean to hit him in the neck.
Maybe he could have been aiming at the top of his forehead, you know, and that's where the bullet landed because it wasn't sighted correctly.
Yeah, that's what I'm that's what I'm saying.
That uh but it was the day before 9-11.
Oh, yeah, that's that's all crazy.
I I don't even know what to say about all that.
I it's so ridiculous how many things are just coincidentally happening in in the midst of all this.
I mean, you're just I think it would it would be a great way to it's a great way to send a message to somebody that's hey the day before 9-11 and uh read into that what you will, but um well, not only that, I don't know this.
No, here's the other thing that's crazy.
You talk about things that were happening.
I mean, I said this and I've said it before, and I'll uh I keep trying to remember to remind myself to emphasize this point more because it is important.
The guy was killed, what, two days or the a day after we had hearings in Congress about or uh was it two days was it on Tuesday of that week or the week before?
But I just remember he was killed like literally the day after we had all these hearings about or days after we had hearings about hellfire UA UFOs dodging hellfire missiles, they release a video of that and they're like, nothing to see here, just a frickin' UFO dodging a hellfire missile.
And now nobody's talking about that.
You had Bob Lazar's name coming up in congressional hearings.
And what did Bob Lazar do?
Bob Lazar was the one who was telling us about the, you know, S, what is it, S4 or whatever the facility is that he was working at out Area 51 where they were reverse engineering who knows what.
And then you had these on top of that, you had the round table with uh Ron Johnson and all these vaccine, you know, the doctors who were basically saying, you know, it's not just the COVID vaccine.
Basically, all these vaccines are have have this chem these components to them that are toxic that may be the cause of you know these horrific issues we're having in our kids.
And then all of a sudden Charlie's, you know, head gets blown off or neck gets blown up, and all and we're that's all we're talking about.
And it happens like this every single time.
It's just it's almost maddening.
Like we get they release this information.
It's the same thing as 9-11.
What happened on September 11th, famously, 2001, September 10th.
It was uh with Rums.
Rumsfeld comes out and says, hey, we lost two trillion dollars, but no big deal.
I'm sure we'll find it someday.
And then 911 happens and nobody's talking about the two trillion dollars anymore.
So Yeah, well, it's also important to to observe what's happening after the Charlie Kirk event after 9-11.
And you know, I I question my own observations um all the time.
And um when they start manufacturing evidence, you know that the fix is in.
Uh and they have a lot of covering up to do um as far as I'm concerned.
And uh, you know, it's just interesting.
The timing, what they try to get, and they did pass through Congress.
Um it's just um infuriating.
Um is I took my phone off a speaker phone.
Is this better?
Much better.
Thank you.
Okay, yeah.
I know, I and I hate to make you not use speaker, because I think speakerphone is the safest way to use your phone.
You don't want to hold up to your but it's just when you get feedback, it's tough on the radio um with that.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I appreciate you uh mention that to me.
I'll I'll not use speaker phone when I call in.
But anyway, yeah, um it's gonna be an interesting ride.
And um the the thing that disappoints me is uh in my opinion that a lot of the people are you know the what the left have done with free speech, blah blah blah.
Now the right's doing yeah, that makes me sick to my stomach.
I hear Pam Bonnie say say like hate speech is something we have to go after.
It's like are you serious?
Like we literally fought Nina Jankowitz and Biden and this ministry of truth thing, and now you're gonna come out and tell me that we need to to to you know corral hate speech or to to uh you know le make it illegal for quote unquote hate speech because of anti-Semitism.
It's like, what are you even talking about?
Like do you have you read the First Amendment?
Did it say anything in there about hate speech or does it say anything in there about anti-Semitism?
Because as time I read it, it doesn't.
You know?
Yeah.
Not that I'm a proponent of anti-Semitism, but it you're gonna have if you're gonna have robust free speech dialogue in America, you have to take the good with the bad and understand that there's going to be people who say things you don't like and that you don't agree with.
And you have to have that.
Yes, I I totally agree, and that's what Charlie Kirk was trying to get through, I think.
Uh yeah, could you imagine?
I had this post.
I mean, this is the ultimate post here, right?
So I want to pull it up because it speaks directly to this.
So Charlie Kirk, okay.
So we we heard Pam Bonnie say it.
Charlie Kirk posted uh what a year ago on social media.
This is what he says.
Quote hate speech does not exist legally in America.
There's ugly speech, there's gross speech, there's evil speech, and all of it's protected by the First Amendment.
Keep America free.
That was Charlie Kirk in his own words.
So now this is what makes me sick to my stomach is them taking his memory and using it to do the things that he stood against, which is I don't know if demonics a str uh too strong of a word, but it is evil, I think.
Yeah, I think you're correct.
Yeah.
There's a lot of evil, but you confront that evil by the truth, um, in my opinion.
And anyway, we're living in interesting times, my friend, and um hope you get the station.
And a shout out to uh Joe Jaclin and and all those guys where where you guys started from.
I remember I was listening to Eric Cedarstrom before Joe Jaclin was even around, and to see the radio station go from you know, an hour in Phoenix to to what you guys have built up out there is uh a great, great American um dream or whatever you want to call it.
But I appreciate that we're trying.
I mean, it's it you know, sometimes things don't go as planned.
I mean, obviously today's a great point because we haven't we're still working on the technical issues.
They're gonna get fixed though, but uh but that's a nice thing for you to say, and and we appreciate that uh that sort of thing.
We we it's but it is all but I I say for myself, um but by the grace of God and uh all glory be to God.
That's the only way we're able to do it.
So um, you know, we we give thanks and praise where it's due, and then we just keep working every day.
So very kind words, my friend Blake.
We we always love to hear from you out there in Arizona and uh we're gonna try to keep this ship going in the right direction here.
Yeah, yeah, just be in the uh uh uh somebody that observes and uh question your observations as you do.
So you you guys take care.
Thank you, God bless.
All right.
Uh uh got survived.
Well, that's always good.
I love to hear from Blake.
He's he's a regular caller, but he's always got great insight.
And you know, I mean, look, the craziest thing about this is like they have framed all these narratives so that they're so insidiously, you know, uh true like a booby trap.
It's like if you talk about it, then you're gonna get accused of hating Israel or hating Jews, and you're like wait, what by loving my country and wanting the best for my country and my country men and women.
I'm somehow hating another country.
Make it make sense.
We had a bunch of texts come in, thank you guys.
I'll try to read them, because uh what else am I gonna do since we're here on air without commercial breaks.
All right, let's see.
Somebody said our whole entire government's been occupied by Israel.
And you know, it's I don't think it's the whole government.
I I think that that's an overstatement.
But I do think there's a component uh there's a contingent of influence and and rich donors who have an overwhelmingly large um you know, capacity to to change and and manipulate and distort and do these other things.
It's the same way we see with the same thing we see with the fake news, right?
Like the people running those organizations, and I know a lot of people out there be like, oh yeah, it's them, but the people who run those organizations have a propensity toward um, you know, this sort of bias and and you know uh it it is clear and and obvious, and they have an agenda.
They have an ideological agenda, they have a uh an agenda for the the messaging, etc.
etc.
So I think that we really do have issues with influence from from not just Israel, but other countries as well and other entities and forces and and you gotta remember most of the people who are influencing in a negative way are secular, meaning they don't believe in anything.
They may be ethnically one thing or the other, but they don't have they're not even like believing in God to begin with.
They're either agnostic or atheist and and the nihilist in some cases, they don't care.
They don't there's no they have a disdain or disregard for for anything that is good.
So I don't know.
I'm I'm trying to make it make sense, right?
Somebody said I heard Ben say it with my own ears, Charlie proclaimed Jesus, Ben hates Jesus.
Well, I mean that's that's on Ben.
Ben hates Jesus, that's on him.
Uh somebody from the 970 says we got Pam instead of Matt because she's all in on Israel and Matt took no money from APAC.
I don't I've always said it that I think if we attribute everything to Israel, then nothing's Israel, right?
If Israel becomes the center of the the world, then everything's relative toward what they do.
And I don't believe for a second that they are.
I think that there are competing factors.
I think they do have a overwhelmingly large uh amount of influence that we have to address, and we can do that, but they also are a country that for better or worse exists, and just like every other country, we should be working toward peace with them, and they should be working with peace toward their uh constituents, their their um, you know, neighbors in Gaza, it's a horrific scene.
I mean, the amount of murder and death that's happening there, and really on both sides, because people always want to say it's Israel doing all the killing.
I mean, it's not.
We know that.
Now there might be it might be in an uh overwhelmingly one side versus the other, but it's not just one side versus the other.
Um but uh yeah with Matt and Pam, I don't know.
I mean, that whole thing was crazy too.
Somebody said a patsy for Israel.
Well, like I said before, Israel is oh my gosh.
This is so ridiculous.
How does it become this, right?
I'm not even saying about you, the textures or callers.
I'm just saying, you know, uh there has to be there is more to it than just Israel, but Israel is a component.
Okay.
My opinion.
Take it with a grain of salt.
Finally said, somebody texted and said, where was the exit wound and the blood splatter on the white tent behind him?
And the video of his wife at the casket was creepily and totally looked like a rubber dummy.
See, this is something I wanted to comment on because I've been seeing a lot of people out there say this.
And I don't know, maybe you guys out there who who are talking about Charlie Kirk's hands looking weird, maybe you've never been to an open casket funeral.
Maybe you've never seen what an embalmed dead body looks like.
I have, unfortunately.
Um I know what an embalmed dead body looks like firsthand, and let me just tell you, when they drain your body of all of its blood and replace it with the embalming fluid, your body looks quite strange.
It does not look like it did when you had blood, warm blood pumping through your veins.
So to anybody out there who's saying that Erica Kirk is in on this or somehow, it's like, come on.
Look, Charlie Kirk is dead.
Erica Kirk is a widow.
Charlie's kids are fatherless.
So, you know, let's let's not try to go to because that's where you're gonna lose everyone, including me.
Alright, when the people start saying, oh, well, he wasn't really shot, and this is all like I heard somebody say something in the effect of, oh, well, Valhalla is there's a code name for witness protection.
It's like, no.
Like, you realize how stupid it sounds for you to say that a guy's a guy's neck gets shot and and is bleeds out and within you know five seconds there in front of thousands of people to even suggest that that is somehow fake is not only idiotic, but it's it's just disgusting.
You know.
It's it's it's dumb and it's disgusting.
So anybody who's saying that, I don't know.
I I'm not even calling you dumb.
I'm saying that to make that insinuation is is not my opinion, just it's not what happened.
It would be yeah, like it was it was a CGI thing, and then thousands of people mass hallucinated it simultaneously.
Right.
No, we know that's not the case.
So this is the best thing I have.
The closest thing I have to a commercial break is to play the rest of the clip I had earlier.
So let me see if I can pull that up and keep going on that so that you guys that I can get a uh a minute of a break here.
Let's uh let's go back to that Elijah Schaefer, Max Blumenthal clip.
Middle of it.
Charlie Kirk was trying to kind of bridge the divide.
I don't think he was in the same place Tucker or Marjorie Taylor Green were, or certainly not uh certainly not me.
Um, but he couldn't.
It was becoming irreconcilable and still and so he was starting to cede to his own base, and that's why Bill Ackman called him in.
And I just learned some new things about this meeting that are really dis disturbing, which is that all of these conservative young influencers who basically knew nothing about any of this issue, were not as keyed in as Charlie Kirk is on all the details, were brought out to the Hamptons to basically hang out and party and feel like they were you know in a reality show.
And so they went, and they were told that they were going to talk about Mahmoud Mamdani, who's likely to be the next New York mayor, who comes out of the democratic socialist of America, something you know you're not gonna support if you're on the right, and Ackman really hates this.
And then in the middle of the meeting, I was told this by someone who was there.
Ackman turns the whole thing into an argument about Israel focused on Charlie Kirk, and a British woman who hasn't been identified by um any attendees starts screaming at Charlie Kirk, getting in his face and screaming, and again,
she's screaming at him about him defying the commands of a foreign leader, and he's supposed to be the leader of the America First movement, and then coming out of this meeting, everybody was offered a free trip to Israel.
And you had uh Xavier de Rousseau from uh Prager USA, Prager U. Prager U supposed to be like uh, you know, carrying the banner of MAGA, educating people about MAGA.
Who's the CEO?
It's Marissa Strait.
She's a veteran of Israel's unit 8200 cyber spying unit.
It's obvious what's going on there.
And Xavier de Rousseau is taken to Gaza, where uh famine has been imposed on the population, where all of the United Nations food is being blocked, all of their distribution points have been shut down, the population is foraging for food, and they're going to these aid hubs.
There are only two or three of them, run by this shady Mossad-backed outfit backed run by allies of Trump and Mike Huckabee, the Christian Zionist is fronting for it called the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
And De Rousseau was paid by the Israeli government to go there and deliver this absurd, flamboyant video mocking people for starving, denying starvation, and claiming that uh Hamas leaders are eating all the food, so they're going on Ozempic.
And that's like what was coming out of this disgusting meeting where Charlie Kirk was being screamed at for trying to take like a mildly principled position.
And what I was told was that he actually said more or less the same thing he said to Megan Kelly about why he uh how how frustrating it is that he's not even allowed to be as critical of Israel as many Israelis are.
Hundreds of thousands of Israelis have been out protesting for a ceasefire, but you're not even allowed to take that position.
And let's not get gas lit by Ben Shapiro.
Ben Shapiro doesn't support any criticism of Israel.
He would would never support anyone's uh protesting for just a ceasefire as so many Israelis are doing.
He is an apparatus of Netanyahu and his network inside the U.S. along with Mark Levin and they had been bashing Charlie Kirk and effectively calling for his removal in the days before his killing like almost just days before they said you can't Ben Shapiro said you can't just be at the front of the church keeping uh open a big tent for lunatics referring to Tucker Carlson.
I mean where are they getting their orders from?
Who are they speaking for?
They're speaking for a foreign apartheid state.
That's not America first we're back.
I'm back.
This is the closest thing I get to a commercial break is playing those clips.
So um first of all just won't let you guys know you're listening to KHNC 1360 Johnstown Loveland Fort Collins little station identification for all you out there listening since we're dealing with some technical difficulties but uh we're back and I want to introduce and bring on our friend who's joining us here in the second hour.
Um, but before we do that, well, I guess we'll just bring one.
Uh, Henry Loke from God's feeding station.
You're joining us.
Uh, how are you doing today, sir?
Hold on.
Uh, Henry, we're having technical difficulties with you.
You sound like Am I, is this an alien colleague am I losing my mind okay well I think I need to restart my maybe you should restart your and I'll restart my end we'll bring you back as soon as everything's restarted.
Okay.
Okay.
What is going on?
What is going on today?
Okay.
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and restart that.
Sorry about that, folks.
That was a little disturbing.
I mean, that was incredibly disturbing, actually.
I don't even know what to say.
Okay.
I thought Kirk Cameron said something really strong.
About this whole thing.
You know, Kirk Cameron's been a great Christian evangelist and...
and and he's done a lot for the gospel and he said it this way about Israel and what the Bible says about it and how I think this is more toward how I think about it.
Let's listen to we are commanded as Christians to support the government of Israel we are commanded to support Israel.
I I know the verse that Tucker Carlson's talking about in Genesis actually doesn't say Israel.
It says that those who bless you Abraham this is before Israel will be blessed by God and those who curse you Abraham will be cursed by God.
Jesus demystifies who the children of Abraham actually are and Paul absolutely clarifies it for not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God's people.
Well that sounds like it contradicts what Ted Cruz just said being descendants of Abraham doesn't make them truly Abraham's children.
It sounds like he's saying not all of Israel is really Israel just because they're Jewish Israel didn't have a nation or a land to call their own for almost two thousand years since the destruction of the temple in the year 70 AD.
The nation of Israel was recreated through some political operatives after World War II.
So in that almost two thousand year period what did it even mean to bless Israel or to curse Israel there was no Israel per se.
I think the scripture makes it clear that it's about whether you're blessing or cursing the true children of Abraham, those who believe the promises of the gospel.
Alright.
So I think uh I think that's definitely the way I would feel about it.
I mean, I think that kind of summarizes it quite well.
Um let's hope that we don't have a robot Henry uh now.
Henry, are you there?
I am, is that better?
Well, that's a lot less terrifying, that's for sure.
Um I don't know if you heard what that sounded like, but my God.
I didn't it was it it sounded like you were speaking in slow motion while simultaneously uh with a robot voice.
Very strange.
No, I somebody texted it.
That was terrifying, yes, it was.
I was really terrified by that.
I'm hoping that's not a sign of things to come here.
No, no, you're good.
I think uh that was definitely a system we have we have all kinds of things uh going on here at the station, Henry.
I don't know if you've been listening to the show so far, but I have.
I sounds like it's been really interesting.
I don't know if this is entertaining or or impossible to listen to, but we'll we'll just go with entertaining.
Um I chalk it up to spiritual.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's just meant to be on a day like today that we're gonna go ahead and just have the most uh crazy stuff going on.
But I mean it has opened the door for this long conversation, two hours, no commercials.
Um and now you're with us, we're doing our day of fasting and prayer for anyone who's not familiar with that, you know, occasionally from time to time, about I would say once a month or so at least, we try to get together with Henry Loki from God's Feeding Station and we do a day of fasting and prayer for various different,
you know, for for our spiritual awakening for our nation, for you know, in this case we're we're gonna be talking about the spirit of fear overcoming it and uh having uh the gospel within us to understand that you know, enough to have Jesus in us enough to know that in the midst of all this chaos and tragedy and the assassination and the fear that comes with it,
that um even though there is a component of the evil that that was behind this that wants you to be fearful and wants you to be silent, this is when we have to be louder and we have to to stand up more boldly in proclaiming the gospel.
But uh Henry, I'll let you take it from here because uh I know you have a lot to say on this.
So why don't you just take it from there?
Um Well, I you know, I I was listening uh, like I said to the first hour, and it's like, oh what a tangled web we weave um with all the um the different stories and the different um plot lines that surround this.
And um I was looking at a guy on on social media last night named George Webb, who have been following for a long time, and and and like you, he's he's a guy that's been cancelled uh over and over and over again, and uh he has some really interesting thoughts on it.
Um look him up on Twitter or whatever, but uh you know I personally know George.
Do you really?
Yeah, he's a great guy.
I I met him a few times.
We've hung out and talked at length about a few things.
You know, George is a he's got some crazy theories and he does a lot of sleuthing, but um he's definitely a nice guy.
You know, one of the funny fact about George, if you guys don't know, he's about you know I'm I'm a tall guy, I'm about six four.
Uh George Webb is about I'd say six eight to six nine.
He's a giant of a human being.
If you ever meet him in person, it's actually kind of impressive.
You're like, holy crap, this guy's massive.
But he's a good guy, I like him.
So uh yeah, I I saw what he was saying about the um I follow him on social media, so I think I saw something similar to what you're referencing there.
Yeah, I mean, you last night he was talking about ROTC and how Tyler Robinson had transferred from Air Force to Army and all this other stuff.
I'm just I'm like, okay, let's just add add one more thing to to the to the puzzle here.
But I think, you know, regardless of regardless of whatever the true story is, and and I'm not sure what it is right now, um, to be honest with you.
Um and I and I and I'm I'm still trying to not only uh manage the fear side of this, I'm also still dealing with the anger side of this.
You know, I'm just really angry about what happened to Charlie for who whatever reason and whoever did it.
Um and and the bottom line is that we and I texted you, I think, um, about this when it happened.
We have to deal with the evil side of this.
Um, in in the in the in the sense of recognizing that that's what this is, regardless of who did it, regardless of the motivation, regardless of you know, you go to George and the forces he thinks are are are behind all this type of stuff.
Um it doesn't matter if it's Israel, it doesn't matter if it's Antifa, it doesn't matter if it's BLM, it doesn't matter if it's the Democrats, it doesn't matter if it's Republicans.
What matters is recognizing that this is evil, right?
The one pulling the strings here is Satan.
And these people, whether they're willing or not, are pawns of Satan when they do things like this.
And Paul Harvey um did this thing years ago, and I'm sure you've probably heard of it.
Um he did this thing called if I were the devil.
And in uh part of it, he says, if I were the devil, I'd soon have families that war with themselves, churches at war with themselves, and nations at war with themselves, until each in its turn was consumed.
And with promises of higher ratings, I've I'd have mesmerizing media fanning the flames.
If I were the devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellects, but neglect to discipline emotions.
Just let those run wild until before you knew it, you'd have to drug, you'd have drug sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every schoolhouse door.
Within a decade, I'd had I'd have prisons overflowing, I'd have judges promoting pornography.
Soon I could evict God from the courthouse, then from the schoolhouse, and then from the houses of Congress.
And in his own churches, I would substitute psychology for religion and defy science.
I'm sorry, not defy and deify science.
I would lure priests and pastors into misusing boys and girls in church money.
If I were the devil, I'd make the symbols of Easter an egg and the symbol of Christmas a bottle.
And it goes on from there.
You can find it on YouTube.
I would encourage everybody to go listen to that.
Um this was from 196 something, I forget 68 maybe.
But that's you see this, that's exactly what's happening.
Go read the screw tape letters by C.S. Lewis.
And and see him spell out all the wiles of the evil one that and all the all the machinations that the evil one uses to manipulate people.
And so we have to recognize that, and we have to pray against it.
We have to call it call it out for what it is, right?
And that's not excusing Tyler Robinson if he's the one who pulled the trigger.
It's not excusing these people from doing these things or thinking the way they think, saying the things that they say, excuse me.
Um but we have to recognize what the source is because you see a lot on social media about, you know, the left says you don't hate the right enough, and the right says you don't have to hate the the left enough.
And you know, we say we don't hate mainstream media enough.
And what I think the problem is is we don't hate evil enough.
We sit at the table with Satan sometimes, like he's the um, you know, the the the family outcast.
But you know, we have them over for dinner every once in a while to keep peace, or we keep them in a corner somewhere, you know, and we tolerate things that he throws at us because we like reading these types of books.
We like watching these types of movies, we like listening to these types of programs where these types of things are being used to manipulate the mind and and tarnish the heart.
And so we have to recognize that we play fast and loose sometimes with evil in our lives, and the Bible tells us we gotta move that stuff out, we gotta rebuke that stuff.
We gotta call it for what it is and uh rebuke Satan in the name of Jesus, and he will flee from us.
But I think a lot of times we just put up with it.
And I that's dangerous.
You know, it's the uh the story that Jesus told of sweeping out the house.
You you get it all straightened up, you get it cleaned out, and you you drive the demon who's been living there out, but then you don't fill it with anything and you leave it empty.
And if you don't fill it with things of God, something else will fill that, and it's either of God or it's of the evil one.
It's either or it's of Satan.
And if you don't fill it with God, then what happens?
The demon comes back and brings, you know, seven or eight more with it.
And so we have to we have to recognize this for what it is.
We have to recognize the source of it, and we have to pray against it, we have to call it out.
And and the Bible speaks very plainly about what this type of stuff is.
Um I was in Jeremiah uh the other day and read Jeremiah 9 8.
Uh their tongue is uh a deadly arrow.
It speaks deceitfully with his mouth.
Each speaks peace to his neighbor, but in his heart he plans an ambush for him.
And Psalm 37 uh 3732 says the wicked watches for the righteous and seeks to put him to death.
Those are facts.
Those aren't it's not hyperbole.
Right?
What's in the Bible is is it's flat out true.
And and it's there for us to learn from.
We have a whole history of the establishment of the nation of Israel, and we have this whole history of how they dealt with things and how they they ebbed and flowed to God and from and away from God and to God and away from God, and then how they fell into idolatry and all these things.
And God warned them.
Don't allow these things from these neighboring nations to get in to your lives because they will entice you and they will drag you off and convince you to worship these false gods and to adopt these horrendous practices that are are an abomination to me.
Don't do that.
And what happened to Israel?
They did it.
I mean, I I think we probably talked about this before.
You look at Solomon.
Solomon was w the wisest king that probably ever ruled when he started.
And look at how he ended.
Married all these women from these different religions, and they enticed him to worshiping false gods.
And so my point is you have to really look at the things that we're allowing in our lives, and and when the Holy Spirit convicts us that something's gotta go, it's for a reason.
And so we need to, again, recognize that this is evil, call it for call it out for what it is, pray against it, and then start examining our own lives and say, hey, you know, what am I what am I playing fast and loose with?
And what do I need to to really get rid of?
So I'm not infected by this type of thinking.
I agree.
I agree with everything you said there, Henry, to be honest, and I really also would just go a step further and say, you know, with everything that you pointed out there from the way that we have to rid ourselves of this this evil and understand and recognize it in this society and the world.
I think you know, my biggest struggle is just the you know, consistent manner in which that we are being deceived and how it never ends in them.
I'm so sorry, Henry.
I'm just wildly distracted at the moment.
No, you're fine.
You're fine.
It is um and it's not it's just it's just because we're fixing stuff and it's like right here, but um kind of lost my train of thought there.
We have a bunch of texts coming in.
Deceived by being deceived.
You're talking about being deceived.
Yes, yes, deceived.
And and I don't like um the deception that we see regularly, and I think we have to combat it with uh strong faith and understanding that you know it's just it's a part of living in the fallen world.
I guess that was the point I was trying to make.
So um but yeah.
Yeah, I I I want oh, I wanted to ask you too speaking of Israel.
Did you hear that uh Charlie or that Kirk Cameron clip I played by chance?
Um I may not have because I was out about this morning.
Let me play a little more time because I want your take on this.
Because this is, you know, when we talk about Israel, I think Kirk Cameron summarized it all so perfectly as to what I believe in and because this is in regard to when Tucker Carlson had um Ted Cruz on and Ted Cruz couldn't figure out in Genesis where it said about Israel.
And and Kirk Cameron said this, which I agree with, and I want to get your take on it.
We are commanded as Christians to support the government of Israel.
We are commanded to support Israel.
I I know the verse that Tucker Carlson's talking about in Genesis actually doesn't say Israel.
It says that those who bless you, Abraham, this is before Israel, will be blessed by God, and those who curse you, Abraham will be cursed by God.
Jesus demystifies who the children of Abraham actually are, and Paul absolutely clarifies it.
For not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God's people.
Well, that sounds like it contradicts what Ted Cruz just said.
Being descendants of Abraham doesn't make them truly Abraham's children.
It sounds like he's saying not all of Israel is really Israel just because they're Jewish.
Israel didn't have a nation or a land to call their own for almost two thousand years since the destruction of the temple in the year 70 AD.
The nation of Israel was recreated through some political operatives after World War II.
So in that almost two thousand year period, what did it even mean to bless Israel or to curse Israel?
There was no Israel per se.
I think the scripture makes it clear that it's about whether you're blessing or cursing the true children of Abraham, those who believe the promises of the gospel.
Yep.
So I guess this is what I've been saying for a very long time, and he just put it together far more eloquently than I ever have, so forgive me in my inability to do it.
But oftentimes others will say things in a way that that you know, you kind of like, okay, that's what I've been trying to say.
And that's been my position on this, because we're we're speaking of Israel and Charlie Kirk and all this crazy stuff.
And it's like that I wanted to get your take on.
What do you think?
No, I think he's spot on, right?
I think it's uh Paul talks about this all over the place.
Uh you look at Romans two twenty-eight, for no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical, but a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart by the spirit, not by the letter.
His praise is not from man but from God.
And there are other things that Paul says about this when he talks to the Jews, think you know, the Jews think they have like they they're gonna be held to a different standard.
And Paul says, No, sin is sin.
You fall under sin just like the Gentiles fall under sin, and you fall under judgment just like the Gentiles fall under judgment.
And again, I'm I'm like really you know, condensing, and people need to go and read Romans and see what it says.
But I think he's spot on, and and yeah, because I don't give Israel a pass at all because it's Israel.
Because my thing is for Israel, and and Paul talks about this too, you know, everyone, everyone, whether it's Jew or Gentile, needs Christ.
Right?
Yeah.
Every everyone needs Christ.
We need, and this is you know, goes to the the, you know, the I know the fear, peace and all of that.
Um, but everyone needs Christ.
And if you don't have Christ, whether you're Jew or Gentile, then your sins have not been dealt with, and there's gonna be an issue when you stand before God when all this is over.
And so, you know, Paul talks about how God's gonna make the Gentiles um he's gonna use them in a way that that brings the Jews back and and and all of that.
Um, but it's this thing of Israel doesn't get a pass, uh excuse me, just because they're Israel.
It's like Kirk said, when those promises were made to Abraham, there was no There was no nation at that point.
There was a promise of a nation, but there was no nation.
And so in fact, there was no law.
Right?
The law didn't get handed down until Moses.
So he he I he nails it.
It's about believing in the promises and accepting, you know, accepting the saving grace of Jesus Christ on the cross, the offer of salvation that God has so freely given us in his grace and love.
I agree.
And let me ask you this, because I and since we're on the topic, because I I have stru I struggle with this topic because it I get I understand there's like a huge amount of pushback, right?
Yep from many people, but particularly there's like a a sector or a subset of the population.
And and and they're typically, and this is not entirely the case because it there are always exceptions to the rule.
Typically, though, these are older people who you know, some would say boomer type people who have this, you know, hyper reluctance to hyper allegiance toward Israel, the state.
They wear the flag pins, they they they wave the flag and they tell you that if you don't support Israel, you're a bad Christian.
And and I and I keep thinking to my, and maybe it's a generational thing, maybe it's age.
But for me, I don't know where that came from.
Do you have any idea where that sort of undying allegiance toward this state that was created in 1948 comes from and why, you know, when I go to even my church, you know, people I'm there at church with have uh hold on, guys.
Let's let's go here.
Make sure nobody drops you know any expletives back there.
Let's just take anyway, you take it from there.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think I I think it it is from uh from churches.
I mean, I don't that's my take on it, because I'm I'm probably one of those boomer types.
I was born in 62.
So um we were always taught that Israel does get a pass because it's Israel.
And I think it is probably um you know, probably was a church thing.
Um I can't speak definitively on that because I know um people like Glenn Beck still, you know, undyingly support whatever Israel does for the most part.
Um there are a lot of people out there.
I mean, you know, God forbid you post anything against Israel on on Twitter and Laura Loomer sees it, you know, it's you come be you come under the wrath of her.
But I I I think it I think it just comes from that I think you know what I think it's a misunderstanding.
I think it's a misunderstanding of what like Kirk said, what defines a Jew from a biblical perspective?
And uh because I I've seen an article recently, just the difference between the term Hebrew and Jew.
And they made they tried to make the argument that today's Jews are not the same as the Hebrews of Abraham's time.
I didn't read the whole article because it's it's really lengthy, but that was the gist of the article.
I don't know that that that's true.
I can't speak to that, but I think it just comes from this kind of misunderstanding that that Paul tries to kind of straighten out spiritually of yeah, what is a Jew in God's eyes?
What is um what is what is Israel?
What is I think I always differentiated spiritual Israel versus a worldly Israel.
I think they're two different things.
And you know, and and in part, you know, you're trying to you're trying to read God's heart, which is impossible to do, right?
Because that you know, there's a whole thing about the promised land and and all those promises that were made.
But the donor does that does that fall into a um a blank check for the nation of Israel as it stands today to do whatever they want to do.
And I'm not sure it does.
But you know, I I know that's probably not a really good answer, but I think you know, I think it in part it comes from the church.
I think in part it comes from a misunderstanding of what spiritually God was doing and what he meant when he made these promises to Abraham.
I think it's something that needs to be studied and looked at.
It's something to be prayed about because it is I think it's only by the Spirit of God that we come to these really deep understandings.
But I I think it, you know, I think the churches and a lot of people just made this mistake of, well, they're God's people, they're God's chosen people.
God made a covenant with them, hence they get to do whatever they want to do.
But you go, go read Isaiah and Jeremiah and look at how God compares them to a unfaithful wife and a pr and a prostitute, and how they whore with these other gods, right?
His term.
God took them to task for their idolatry.
So God did not give them a pass.
He exiled the the Northern Kingdom to Assyria and he exiled Judah to Babylon.
And he told them all the way back in Deuteronomy, obey me, you will be my people and I will be your God.
If you don't obey me and you become idolatrous and you disobey me, then there will be judgment, and the land will vomit you out.
He says that.
So God didn't give them a pass.
I don't think we should either.
I think we hold them to that same spiritual bar that we're all held to.
And, you know, for all of us, like I said, Jew or Gentile.
We need Christ.
If we don't have Christ, you know, the the Jews are not saved just because they're Jews, right?
Paul's very clear to say that.
They they're they have to have and accept the blood of Christ washing away their sins and making them white as snow, just like we do.
And so there's, you know, people are gonna argue about, you know, the Jews first, then the Gentiles.
Understand that salvation comes to the Jews and through them, I understand all that.
And there's a lot of that stuff that I don't have a a firm grasp on.
But what I do have a firm grasp on is that without Jesus, we are not saved.
Our sins are not forgiven.
We all need that.
Paul makes that very clear.
And so, you know, Israel doesn't get a pass just because they're Israel.
I think that's pretty clear.
I think you're right.
I think you're right.
So you know, I mean, there's only so much we can do here.
Um I know.
I'm not I'm not terribly distracted at all.
I'm totally totally locked in here.
Um as best I can.
But we had a bunch of text coming in.
Maybe we want to read some of those.
All right.
So do I do I need to be worried?
No.
No.
Somebody said Henry needs to listen to the podcast of this episode so he can hear that demonic robot voice, which I don't know what that was.
That was that was scary.
Um, but it it's it happens on our system, so it's not you, it's the computer sometimes that it needs to be rebooted.
And uh, let's see, somebody said the show is awesome.
That's that's good.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Somebody said, What's funny is you watch a video of the supposed shooter and you believe that to be true, but there's different videos of the event that suggest a completely different story.
Remember to watch the laws they are gonna pass because of this, just like 9 11.
If you think this could have been all constructed, you are fooling yourself, just like the fake Trump shooting.
Always question everything.
Well, uh there's a lot of conflation there, a lot of things being conflated there.
Uh I do think they're gonna opportunistically try to take this event and do these things that they seem to be doing with the laws and you know, hate speech and all that stuff.
That's a point of disagreement.
I don't know.
Pam Bondi thing is just ridiculous.
Yeah, Pam Bonnie's she is the absolute most I don't want to say a bad word here.
I just want to say she's unqualified.
She's she's very unqualified.
Let's put it that way.
This is the kindest way to put it.
That's why we have you here, Henry, you know how to be very kind in the way you attribute things, but uh unqualified is an understatement, but it is true.
And um Yeah, I mean you can believe what you want at the end of the day when it comes to any of this stuff.
Like you don't want to believe in things that obviously happened.
You're that's fine.
But I do agree in the sentiment of like, yes, of course they're gonna try to do things, ram laws through they're already trying to do it.
You know, like we saw these crazy laws.
You can't boycott Israel.
It's like what?
Uh yeah.
What is that?
How does where did that even come from?
You know what I mean?
Let never never let a crisis go to waste.
Who said that?
Rama Manual, the old Obama advisor.
Yeah.
Never let a good crisis go to Well, this leads us into the fear part of the conversation.
If you want to, and if you have more text to read, by all means just cut me off.
But this they want this is the fear part of this conversation.
You can go ahead.
No, I it this is the fear part, right?
Because the who again, the evil behind this and the people behind this, right, they want they want to shut people down.
They want you to be afraid.
They wanted you to be afraid after 9-11.
They wanted you to be afraid here in Boulder after the shooting at the at the supermarket.
Um they want you to be afraid so that you give up your rights.
Um we've had people talking about, you know, we had the guy, the mayor um in Minneapolis say, you know, after that shooting there, you know, prayer doesn't work.
Look at these kids were praying and they still got shot, you know.
And you had, I forget the the guy, the senator who said that um our rights don't come from God, they come from the government.
And if you think that they come from a higher power, then you're just like Iran and you know, Islamic jihadists and stuff.
It's like, are you you you gotta be kidding me with this, right?
But recognize the evil when it rears its head like that.
Because they're just they're speaking against God.
They're going against God when they say stuff like that.
And so they want to shut you down.
And whoever did this in broad daylight, for everyone to see, they want you to be afraid.
Uh a bunch of people have said this already, you know.
They want you to think if they can do this to Charlie Kirk, they can do it to you.
And if you are a follower of Christ, I I that the the thing, and I wasn't like you, I wasn't a big follower of of Charlie's.
I knew of him, and I've seen clips of him, but I wasn't listening to his podcasts and any of that.
But the one thing that has been very at the forefront for me at least was his faith.
Right?
You he showed it the night Trump got elected.
You know, Charlie, you did it.
No, it was all God.
What did he want to be remembered for?
The courage of his faith.
Right.
You look at his wife, and that statement the other night, that was the power of the Holy Spirit at work, in my opinion.
I don't know her.
I've never met her.
All I can tell you is what I saw.
It's either either that or she put on a the really good act that fooled me, and I have no discernment, which is possible, I guess.
But to me, no, I think that's what she's forthright.
I mean, a woman of how would a woman how do you even expect a woman to react after that?
You know, it's just anyone.
Because I'm just a woman, but I mean anyone.
Yes I wasn't home when that got broadcast.
I saw it later that I saw it later that evening.
And so I knew she had done something.
What I saw was not what I expected at all.
She was um solid in her faith.
She was strong in her faith, and she was empowered by the Spirit of God in that speech, my opinion.
And so there is great faith there.
And and the one thing I thought about was, you know, uh all these martyrs for the faith in the Bible.
Right?
All I think all but one of the disciples was killed, if I have my history right.
Uh you look at Stephen, you look at Paul, all these all these people, uh, these people of faith that d aren't mentioned by name that we know about, uh, that were were taken to the Coliseum, you know, uh and fed to lions and burned at the stake and and all these types of things.
Right?
All these people that were martyred for the faith.
This is something that Jesus warns us about.
But he tells us to not fear.
Because if we are in him, our futures are secure.
Right?
He says in Luke 12, 4, I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body.
And after that, have nothing more that they can do.
And in his commentary on this, Matthew Henry, Matthew Henry says, you know what?
Let people do their worst.
Because when they do their worst, they're done.
There's nothing more they can do.
But if you're in Christ, you know, then what happens.
You know that you are now you are an heir to the kingdom of God.
You are an heir with Christ, and there is a place for you in eternity.
Right?
And Jesus goes on.
I will I will warn you whom to fear.
Fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell.
Yes, I tell you, fear him.
Who's that?
The only one who has that authority is God.
He is the ultimate judge.
That's who you fear.
And and the thing is don't fear him like being afraid of dread.
Get to know him.
Understand what's been done for you.
And then it's a reverent fear.
It's this awe of this God who sent his son to take away the crimes you committed against him.
Sin.
Right?
He knew before salvation.
I'm sorry, he knew before the creation of the world, and people have heard me say this a thousand times, he knew what was going to happen and giving us free will.
He knew we were going to be disobedient.
And he knew in that disobedience, in that fallen state, we were not going to be able to right ourselves in his eyes.
And it's an impossibility because of who God is.
It's who God is in his character.
And because of his character, he has to be true to himself.
And so sin has to be dealt with.
And so he knows that we are not going to be able to deal with it ourselves, and that the blood of animals is not going to be enough to deal with the offense of sin, of disobedience to God.
So God says, you know what?
I'm going to send my son.
He's going to be in perfect obedience to me.
And he is going to take on the sins of everyone, past, present, and future at his time.
And all anyone has to do is to accept this gift that I am giving them.
I am offering you life in this.
My son is going to the cross.
I'm going to raise him from the dead.
I'm going to bring him home.
He's going to sit next to me at my right hand and intercede for all of you.
All you have to do is believe that and accept it.
And then you and I are in a right relationship.
Yes, you're still going to fall.
You're still going to drift.
You're going to turn to the right.
You're going to turn to the left.
you're still going to sin.
well But you know what?
When you realize that, when my spirit that is in you, when you accept this gift of salvation, when it convicts you of that sin, you know what?
Come to me, confess it, repent, and we move on.
Right?
Doesn't mean that we just get to sin left and right.
Paul talks about this.
We don't just get to sin left and right because, well, we're just going to be forgiven.
No.
We have we come to an understanding of what God did for us.
And that should, should, and most of us drive a love of appreciation for that.
When we understand that.
Yeah.
And so you know.
I I don't want to cut you off, but we had a caller who's been waiting.
Let's bring him on.
Caller, what do you got?
Carl, are you there?
No.
Never mind.
I guess the caller is Is it Sean?
I don't know.
All right.
Well, never mind.
If you got tired of listening to me rambling.
He probably put the phone down to go use the bathroom or something.
Henry, let me know when you're done.
I'll be back in 20, don't worry.
A few more texts, I guess, real quick.
Sure.
Somebody texted in and said, while all Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews, only of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi are Jews.
I couldn't speak to that necessarily.
That would have to be something deferred to you on.
What about what about the other tribes?
Yeah, there were twelve, right?
So what about those?
I've heard some crazy, like not crazy, but interesting dives into the tribe stuff.
And like there's some – Robert Seffer did an interesting thing on it where he like talked about how the tribes were kind of like disseminated out across the land and how that all happened and came together.
But I don't know.
That's not my particular area of expertise as they say.
What do you think, Henry?
No, I don't I don't know.
I mean, I I don't know how you um Yeah, I don't know how you exclude those other tribes and say they're not Jews.
But I don't know what I mean.
That's the one.
They also said uh the nation of Israel discontinued their idolatry by hoisting the star of Remphram on their flag.
There is no star of David in the Bible.
Oh we lost Henry.
That's okay.
You know.
Things happen.
It looks like the internet might be down.
Oh, there it is.
It's back.
So it's not my day.
I'm I'm not doing too well on air.
But you guys can still hear me, so that's all that matters, right?
Hopefully.
If if that is in fact the case.
Um, let's see, what else?
Finally, somebody said Henry's spot on.
He has saved your show today.
So glad for put it.
Yes.
Yes, he saved the show.
So that's why we brought him on, because we need people to save the show from time to time.
It can't be all on my shoulders.
If we have that, then we're gonna be in trouble.
Um I don't know where Henry went.
He's probably gonna come back sooner than later.
He may even think he's still on.
I don't know.
I don't know any of it.
Um it's been one of those days, guys.
One of those days.
Somebody says they are all Hebrews, not all Jews.
They divided into kings.
Yeah, and uh uh well, there's also the the argument about you know, Kazaria and the the Kazarian Empire, which adopted the Jewish faith in like the ninth century or something, and then that those people are who sort of emigrated toward Israel and that a lot of the ethnic uh people there are actually of the which I think is like connected to the Ashkenazi descendant line,
and that people say that that's not a direct descendant, they're not direct descendants of the twelve tribes per se.
But I don't have like a definitive answer on it because it is very nuanced and it's very comprehensive complex, and uh I wish I had a commercial break from which to go to so that I could bring Henry back on because he's he's gone.
Um we're just you know, we're doing our best here.
You know, life is life's one of those things where you know when you get lemons, make lemonade.
So we're making lemonade today.
We're just cranking out big cups of sour lemonade.
That is delicious.
Delicious sour lemonade.
So trying to throw as much sugar in here as I can uh to stretch out the metaphor as far as I can.
Uh let's go to this clip.
Here's a clip of Charlie Kirk.
This is Charlie Kirk talking about Israel, which I thought was interesting.
Let's just listen to this.
Give me a give me a pause or break here for just a second.
I'm an American citizen.
Yes, I want Israel to win.
Yes, I'm a Christian.
But like the sum of the mess and you saw you've seen how I've been treated, Megan, by some, not all, by some.
No, it's very irritating.
It's a good thing.
It's been so unfair.
They were coming after you after a turning point for among other things.
You had Dave Smith there.
Dave Smith isn't allowed to criticize Israel.
What both sides the Israeli side was auto representative.
No, you're not allowed to.
It's even worse than that.
Again, I just want to repeat for the fifth time.
I love Israel.
I want Israel to win.
But my moral character is now being put into question, Megan.
Not my decisions.
Not like, hey, are you doing this?
Is it smart or is it dumb?
But no, I am a bad person if I do this.
And it's a I I could go.
I mean, I you saw it, Megan.
It was trending on Twitter, thousands of tweets and text messages.
And if I were to be charitable and generous, I will say the people that are attacking me are in a hyper paranoid state because they're at war and war tends to make things black and white, and you're a hammer looking for a nail.
So I'm trying to be charitable, Megan.
Literally, I'm trying to cut as much slack as I can, right?
Okay, what would it be like if all of a sudden I'm starting to see a pattern of behavior similar to what my grandparents saw in 1930s Germany online?
How would I behave?
So that's like my charitable kind of overcompensation spirit.
At the same time, I'm like so that's that's interesting.
Uh did we get Henry back?
Am I am I crazy?
Henry, are you on?
Start to No, maybe.
Let's see.
Henry Henry, are you on?
It's like we have a caller, caller are you on?
All right.
Well, good.
We've we're just you know we're doing our best here, folks.
Just you know, running a live show is like it's like conducting a symphony.
And sometimes a stray cat gets into the gets into the orchestra pit and chaos ensues.
But we're making the best of it.
Um let me see.
Am I crazy?
Henry, are you there?
No, Henry, you're not.
So maybe Henry can hear us, but we can't hear him.
I don't know.
Something the lines got crossed somewhere.
We want to thank Henry for joining us today.
Uh it was very nice.
And you know what I'm gonna do now is I'm going to leave you guys with some scripture.
And then we're gonna we're gonna put on some Fox News and uh we're just gonna call it a day because I am I'm throwing in the towel.
I made it pretty far though.
Give credit where it's due.
I made it almost two hours without a commercial in the midst of some rather chaotic things going on here.
But you guys beared with us, and that's what matters.
You guys are amazing.
Your text messages were flying in, they're still flying in.
I mean, my gosh, you guys saved the day.
Let's just give credit where it's due.
Credit to Henry for for joining us today.
We really love him.
Go check out God's feeding station.org.
It's an online ministry.
It's amazing.
It's absolutely amazing.
I I I wish we could bring Henry back on.
I mean, if he's there, he's free to speak, but we can't.
It doesn't seem like that.
I have to reset the system, so we're just gonna call it.
We're just gonna call it, okay?
We're gonna give you guys some Fox news.
Yes, yes.
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And and look, like I said, oftentimes things don't go how you plan them, but everything goes according to God's plan.
And uh with that in mind, I guess I will leave you guys with some uh with some hope in scripture.
So let's just go with first John chapter two, verse twenty-four.
It says, What you have heard from the beginning must remain in you.
If you have heard from the beginning, if what you have heard from the beginning remains in you, then you will remain in the Son and in the Father.
And this is the promise that he himself made to us, eternal life.
I've written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you.
So that's my message to all of you.
Don't don't be deceived.
Be in the Father, be in the Son, be in the Holy Ghost, and take that with you.
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Accept him as your Lord and Savior.
Let him give you guidance and clarity and wisdom and discernment.
Don't rely just on the the uh wisdom of man.
Find the wisdom that is eternal and above and uh rely on that.
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I know it's been crazy.
But um you know, life is such.
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I would usually be signing off with music and other things.
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Yeah, I had to force them to shut it down, but work with you in Congress to find a way to work with our partners to get that shut down permanently.
Thank you, Chairman Grassley.
Um thank you, Chairman, for calling this hearing.
I'm grateful we're continuing this committee's a long tradition of oversight and in particular today oversight of the FBI.
Um Director Patel, thank you for being here.
There's a number of issues I hope that we can speak to.
Uh I want to start by reading something you said to me during your confirmation hearing under oath.
I have no interest, no desire, and will not, if confirmed, go backwards.
There will be no politicization at the FBI.
Then you looked me in the eyes and said there will be no retribution actions taken by the FBI.
Should I be confirmed as director?
I told you that in your office.
I tell you that again today.
I'm concerned that that's not what's happened.
That since you took over as director, um you've cleaned house or forced out senior leaders across the Bureau, in particular targeting those that worked on investigations of President Trump.
The former acting director has just sued you for firing him for political reasons.
So did a leader in the D.C. field office.
And the well-respected leader of the Salt Lake City office was pushed out last month, leaving that office shorthanded at a particularly difficult time.
I'm worried that these actions compromise the Bureau's ability to keep Americans safe.
Hundreds of agents have resigned.
You are lowering application standards to fill vacancies.
You've reassigned large numbers of agents to work on immigration and street crime, issues other law enforcement agencies can handle, perhaps more effectively with the FBI, but I'm concerned that this compromises the Bureau's ability to address national security risks uniquely its capability.
In fact, you've shut down the Office of Integrity and Compliance, which makes sure that agents act in a lawful and ethical way and reassign staff away from domestic terrorism investigations exactly at a moment I think we are all concerned about it.
Uh I also have to ask you came before the appropriations committee in May and told us you wanted a half a billion dollar budget cut for the FBI, literally an effort to defund the police.
I am grateful for the work of the men and women of the FBI.
They've done great work this year in Delaware, partnering with the Dover Police Department to support human trafficking victims, partnering with the Middletown Police Department on armed robbery and carjacking.
And it's urgent, I think, that we fix the direction and the prioritization within the FBI.
And I wish we could focus on those efforts today.
But I'm seeing an FBI leadership more focused on social media clout and on political revenge than on fighting crime.
Director, have you ever ordered that an FBI employee be terminated because he or she worked on an investigation into President Trump?
Senator, thank you.
One quick correction for the record.
There's 280 NV investigations.
I give the incorrect number to Senator Hawley.
Thank you.
As far as a lot of your statement, I disagree with it.
I'm happy to address it.
But the only Way, generally speaking, an individual is terminated at the FBI is if they have violated their oath of office, violated the law, or failed to uphold the standards that we need them to have at the FBI.
So those who say that they've been fired because of working on investigations into President Trump are lying or misrepresenting.
Well, those matters are alleged in litigation, which is ongoing, so I can't comment on those specifically.
Could you comment on why you fired former acting FBI Director Driscoll?
I can't because it's ongoing litigation.
Could you say now definitively under oath that the rank and file agents who were assigned to work January 6th cases will not be terminated because that's what they were assigned to do?
I have said it before, and I've said again, your case assignment, as I was given case assignments when I was a young prosecutor, does not dictate your career or your termination.
Thank you.
Then let me go to the appropriations question.
In May, you testified before the subcommittee on which I serve, defending the President's request that we slash the FBI's budget by about $500 million.
The day before you testified the opposite in front of the House, where are we in terms of the budget request?
Senator Graham earlier said if you're requesting more funding for more agents, let us know.
We're nearing the end of the fiscal year.
In front of the committee on which I serve here in the Senate, your request was for a reduction of hundreds of millions of dollars.
Where are we?
Where we are in the budget cycle is we at the FBI are in support of the President's budget and we are in support of eliminating waste fraud and abuse.
We have already identified tens of millions of dollars of duplicative contracts that the FBI was spending on software and private sector engagements.
We've also identified duplicative workloads.
So we are transitioning those folks out of doing the same thing twice over and into the field.
And that's my focus right now.
And the move of the FBI headquarters is also going to save the FBI three and a half billion dollars in the American taxpayers.
So we are focused on eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse.
And as I told Senator Graham, um, if we are I'll go back and talk to my team, and if we need more, we'll let you know.
Are you planning any additional reductions in force, Director?
No.
How many vacancies are you currently trying to fill within the agency?
In terms of the 1811 ranks, there's a few hundred open vacancies that we have funded, and so we're filling all of those with our hybrid 1811 program and our new recruitment program, and I think a lesser amount of IAs and SOS.
So if hundreds of agents have retired or taken the fork in the road off, it's not having access to one million industrial grade products.
It's so amazing.
It's the feeling of knowing you'll find the one you need, Granger for the ones who get it done.
Just to put it in perspective, Senator issues.
Sorry, I don't mean to cut you off.
If we had this 500 million, we've done the math.
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