The New JFK Show (25 Feb 2026) w Jim Fetzer, Larry Rivera & Gary King - Special Guest Dee McFarland
Dee McFarland joins Jim Fetzer, Larry Rivera, and Gary King to dissect JFK’s assassination, spotlighting Rivera’s 550-page JFK 21st Century Revelation (Volume 1) built from eight years of unindexed 2017 document reviews. They expose suppressed HSCA testimony by Orestes Peña—linking Oswald, DeBru, and intelligence agents in New Orleans—and challenge the TSBD sniper narrative, suggesting a county records building origin with coordinated cherry bombs (per Beverly Brunson’s research) and a "shirt and tie man" airbrushed into the Zapruder film. Evidence like the Hughes film flash, Garland Slack’s fabricated rifle claims, and Harry Weatherford’s alleged shallow shot implicates a broader conspiracy, undermining the lone-gunman theory’s plausibility. [Automatically generated summary]
We've got the baddest JFK researcher on the planet, hands down, rolling rough shot over the JFK community for a decade now.
We've got no slouch, Jim Fetzer, and I'm just going to say my name is Gary King, and let's get rolling.
All right, so should we start with Dee?
So you give us kind of time.
Before we go there, we're going to mention Larry's books because you've got the brand now two volumes, just received his first five-star review.
You can check him out at the 21st, the title, JFK 21st Century Revelation, volumes one and two, now available.
Here you can see them.
Larry has sent me copies.
Look at the content, volume one, which is over 550 pages.
Part one, Cuban affair, what the Cuban invasion would have looked like.
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Give us the contents, Larry.
The contents.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, well, you know, we're talking about two volumes.
This is eight years of work, which we started when the first set of documents were being released in the summer of 2017.
And as we so many times complained, remember that they were not indexed, so you could not search them.
They were not searchable.
And you had to go file by file to see what was in them.
You know, you guys remember that beef that we had.
And then we had the hurricanes in Puerto Rico, where despite the very poor conditions, we continued to do shows on the new documents.
I remember doing one out of a hotel in Tampa, you know, on the road in Dallas, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
You know, but this is the fruit of, you know, studying so many documents.
And I got to say that there could have been a lot more topics, but I chose 16 because it was just overwhelming, you know, and trying to keep everything, you know, focused in certain directions regarding topic-wise and whatever.
And of course, Jim wrote the first blurb.
And I have to agree about the Lee Oswald, the discovery of the Lee Oswald passport in 1963.
Jim, what can you tell us about that?
Well, Larry, it just blows the whole story out of the water.
I mean, the most important reason we were supposed to believe he was a communist and done this because of the Soviet Union was allegedly he gone to Mexico City the summer before to go get a visa to travel to Cuba to make his escape back to the Soviet Union.
You exposed the whole story was a sham.
See, I made it up.
The suppression of the passport, obviously.
Yeah, I'm coming to it.
Photographs and audio recordings that show this was clearly not Lee Oswald.
In fact, I've been told by Haley Otis, it was Walter Tabinsky, who's a cousin of Clyde Borshaw, who was the Israeli assassin in Dealey Plaza.
But what Larry discovered was a clean version of the passport that the government had obfuscated, which showed it was invalid for travel to Cuba.
I mean, it just blows the whole story out of the water.
Even Edgar had put out a memorandum to a station chief that someone was in Mexico City, a person named Lee Oswald.
And I'd say, if that's all you knew about the assassination, you'd realize he was being framed for shooting Jack.
And it's just as blatant as it could be.
Larry, you did great work on this.
I think the onus up here and the responsibility, obviously the FBI, it was Juan de Breu, the SA agent from New Orleans, who traveled with Lee to Dallas before the assassination.
Okay.
And that's why when you see this one chapter that says the Pena de Bru war, trust me, that was a war because Orestes Peña, as far as I'm concerned, is an American hero.
And I have to say American, okay, because he was Cuban, but he was an American.
He served his country, you know, and in the armed forces and was dishonorably discharged.
You know, it's true that his business was of ill repute, but the thing about him is that he knew everything that was going on in New Orleans.
And when he says that Lee Oswald and Warren Debru had a relationship before the assassination, you can take that to the bank.
And I think that's one of the most important chapters here with the new revolution.
It's over 150 pages long.
That's right.
Because you're getting the crème de la crème on documents.
For example, his HSCA testimony was suppressed for a long time until Malcolm Blunt founded in the year 2000.
But then it was finally released unredacted in the batch of documents.
And that's the one that they want you to see because he's identifying agents, not only in one branch, but he's crossing everything, the customs, the FBI, you know.
So his testimony is powerful.
And what he took on was a force that you have to admire.
I compare him to Don Quixote, you know.
You know what I mean?
And that's the metaphor, you know, in the comparison.
Anybody there want to say that?
Well, just I wondered if you wanted to run just through this section, just read off the title since many in Spanish I would mispronounce.
Yeah, of course, of course.
And then, of course, we aloe gutieras minoyo, El Grangallego, I believe, you know, he deserves a special spot as anti-communist, anti-Castro crusader.
You know, I mentioned, you know, when I introduced him in the book, I said, have gun will travel, you know, like Richard Boone, you know.
And his story is compelling.
You know, he spent 22 years in Castro's jails, you know, and you survived to tell, to talk about it.
You know, at one time in the mid-60s, when he was captured going into Cuba, they had Charles de Gaulle, the president of France, trying to liberate him.
They had, you know, leaders from around the world saying, you know, because he had been one of the most important commandantes in the Cuban Revolution, you know, and the only thing is that when he realized that they were going communist, you know, he said, no, no way.
And he adhered to his principles of being an anti-communist.
And his story is incredible.
And I talked to his daughter and I've interviewed his daughter.
All the information is in there.
You know, this is a wonderful chapter.
And of course, in a skewer, when I go into the Puerto Rico thing, skewer one was a former governor of Puerto Rico who worked for the CIA.
And we never knew about this.
When I was growing up, nobody ever knew about this.
And the story is just unbelievable because he happens to be inserted into the JFK assassination through the Sylvia Odeo connection.
So if you want to find out about this, you got to go and get the book and read about this, because that's a very, very compelling story there on him and how he helped all the exiles in Puerto Rico work from the bases in Puerto Rico trying to overthrow Castro.
And of course, Mexico, oh, and then, yeah, of course, Puerto's role in the anti-Castro movement, which is included in there.
And Mexico City, I can't believe how anybody can, you know, not see the importance of three consecutive Mexican presidents being what?
CIA.
CIA assets.
I know it's not right.
And we're talking about 18 years and how Winston Scott was able to pull this off.
So I'm going into Mexico City big time.
You want to scroll down a little bit so we can see because Mexico City is so important in the new documents for many, many, many reasons.
First and foremost, the two operations that were supposed to be going on there at the same time, the photographic operation, the Lee Empty, and the Lee Envoy, which was the wiretap intercepts and everything.
And it's so fascinating because if these people really had their shit together, they would have caught Lee Oswal on camera and they would have caught him on audio in these wiretaps, you know, and it never happened.
You know, and when you go into the nuts and bolts about what the Mexican embassy and the consulate were about and everything, all these dynamics that are going on there, you know, it's just incredible, you know, that they were able to pull this off, you know, of Lee, of this supposed Lee Oswald trying to go to the Soviet Union via Cuba, getting a transit visa, which, in fact,
at the end, fact of the matter is that it wasn't even available to, there weren't even any forms that would say that.
You know, this is a transfer.
For example, okay, this is a regular visa and this is a transit visa.
You know, there was no determination between one and the other, you know, and the whole thing and Sylvia Durant, of course, I feel is extremely important in this whole story.
We did a show where she had that, remember that Memorial that she had written her own, you know, in her own words.
And she described in incredible detail what she went through at the hands of the Mexican police there and how they wanted her to sign a confession there that she had been Lee Oswald's lover, okay, and this and that, and just unbelievable.
And of course, the part on the CIA and David Sanchez Morales, the CIA's one-man gang.
That's a story that's completely changed in the last couple of years.
All right.
And, you know, just overall, you know, there's so much information that had to be divided in two volumes.
And of course, you got key photos of key players.
There you got David Sanchez and they're still over here.
Sylvia.
That was Charlotte Bustos.
That was the first woman to ever, she's the one who, if you study the Mexico City cable, she's the first one, you know, that starts interacting, you know, via the cables.
And then we find out that, you know, they try to make her out to be, you know, a dumb secretary, but she was really the boss there.
You know, she ended up.
And is that her also here?
No, no, that's the wedding of Win Scott, where the best man of the wedding was Lopez Mateo was the president of Mexico.
I mean, in 1962, you know, I've never seen or heard about anything like that, where, you know, a CA, a major CIA operator, chief of station, has that chummy a relationship with three consecutive Mexico presidents, you know?
And so, you know, there's so many.
And here we got Fidel.
Tell us the others.
Yeah, that's what happened after the Trinidad incident in 1959.
Leonidas, Rafano, Leonidas Trujillo from the Dominican Republic led a raid on Cuba to overthrow Fidel Castro.
They were coming through the southeast part of the island called Trinidad.
But Fidel, I mean, Eloi Gutierrez Menoyo and William Morgan, and William Morgan is very important in this story, put Fidel up to the operation.
They found out about it because, and everybody, you know, blamed them, you know, being turncoats, you know, and what do you call it?
Being against the revolution.
And so what happened is that they told Fidel Castro about the operation before it happened.
And a lot of people got arrested and some were killed in this operation because they preferred to tell Fidel Castro about the operation before because the ones that were going to invade Cuba were ex Batista cronies.
They were being, you know, they were being supported by Trujillo in the Dominican Republic.
So that's what that's, you know, how this all played out.
And at the end of the day, Menoyo and Morgan were called traitors because supposedly they had betrayed the revolution.
But in reality, what they were doing was they had to make a choice.
They had to Choose between either staying Fidel Castro and waiting it out and supporting the Batista Batistianos who were coming back to retake the government and set everything up the way it was before the revolution.
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And on the right, of course, you've got Che Guevara, who goes to meet with Eloy in the summer of 1958 because, see, these guys were operating out of the Escambra.
The Escambra Mountains was closer to Havana.
This is Shea over here.
Yeah, yeah.
The Escambraine Mountains were closer to Havana than the Sierra Maestra.
Okay.
Fidel was working from the western part, the eastern part of the island, and Eloy Gutierrez Menoyo and his column and his people were running guerrillas from a place closer to Havana.
So when the revolution ended and they won, they were the first ones into Havana.
But in this particular moment here that's captured in this picture, it had to do with Fidel sending Che Guevara to meet with Gutierrez Menoyo to see if they could join forces.
And the first thing that when Gutierrez Menoyo receives Che Guevara, he received him with guns drawn because he didn't trust him at all.
And he called him to his face.
He was a communist, and he didn't want anything to do with him.
So the story is in the book.
Yeah, I think one of the sensational features of your work is you include all the documents right there.
Let's see for ourselves what you're talking about.
I mean, they're not going to disappear.
You're not going to have to search around.
You're not going to have to go to an index.
They're right there.
That's exactly right.
I think that's very important.
It's document after document after document.
And it explained in the proper manner.
And, you know, again, you know, there might be a certain market for, you know, the type of person who would buy these books, you know.
But like I said, and I'm very glad that you bring that up because, you know, that's my specialty to include all the documents.
So you don't have to go chasing your trademark.
Excellent.
Well, this is an unusual day because Larry has these new books out and they're, you know, very big deal.
We're very glad to have you here.
Gary has read through your piece about county records building and was very impressed.
He felt you were very thorough.
And whether we wind up agreeing with every aspect is highly unlikely.
I don't know if Gary, Larry, and I even agree about every aspect that we do about the overwhelming majority.
So we want you to sort of introduce yourself, tell us about your research, how you got into JFK and that sort of thing.
Gosh, 50 years.
I started basically, I want to say I was 14 or 15 and came to the realization that there were questions about the death of a president of the United States.
And I remember being flabbergasted.
Maybe my folks were too busy and didn't keep us up with current events.
But I had a brother that had a lot of medical conditions.
And so I can't blame them.
But I just remember being flabbergasted when I first learned that there were questions about a president's death.
And this was during the, you know, right after the Watergate thing, and, you know, where questions were being asked about, you know, whether there were ties to the JFK assassination and such.
And so from there, you know, I saw the Geraldo show, you know, with Grodin and Dick Gregory when they first showed the Zapruder film.
And of course, we all know now it's been cut to ribbons.
And, you know, but from there, I just started reading as much as I could.
And yeah, I'm just real quick.
Robert Grodin, who was on that show to this day, defends the fact that the Zapruder film is completely legit.
There's been no altercation.
And any JFK conference you go to, you don't have to wait two minutes before he's going to say that.
Man, he had a surrogate invest $10,000 last November.
Okay, so what was $10,000?
It was an attempt to defend the authenticity of a video he put together with, I don't know, where the money.
CIA, probably.
Not important.
It's sad that he's taking that stance.
That's all I can say.
You know, because it's been proven Jim's had his symposium on the Zapruder film and with Jack White and Costello and the rest of them.
And I want to interject here quickly and just interrupt you.
The one that you mentioned was when Jack White, when Jim did that symposium on the Zapruder film, and it was so impacting to me where Jack White was almost finishing and he couldn't finish the presentation.
And Jim came and finished it for him.
Am I right, Jim?
Yeah.
It was very, very emotional.
Jack got, you know, he just, he couldn't finish with the last couple of days.
That's right.
And that, that's right.
It was sad, you know.
But, you know, his work stands.
And I understand that you're doing the blender stuff on the backyard photos now.
And of course, I thought his, you know, fake video, I bought that when it first came out.
So did I.
So did I.
I took a picture with him in 93 at the symposium.
It's posted on my blog there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I bought it when I first saw it.
And, you know, so that's how deep I was in, you know.
And it's still relevant today.
Oh, yeah.
Doing it with a ruler.
That's right.
Yeah.
He used rulers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And all of a blender, you know?
Yeah.
And all the things that he pointed out about the Zapruder film with the crowds being different, different people on the streets.
And, you know, that's right.
And I want to point out Tony Foster, you know, where, you know, when he put, he did those scaling comparisons, everything, you know, said, you know, this is impossible, you know.
And how can Murray Moorman be of a certain height and Tony Foster, who's right in the middle of the infield there, you know, it doesn't compute at all, you know?
I know.
There's so much in the photographic record that you can look at and go, this isn't right.
And, you know, you know, they went into this with all the photographic equipment they needed on the job site.
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That's what I believe, you know, because they knew that they were going to try to tell a false story about what happened.
Course, it went all wrong for them because they had a lot more work than they ended than they had thought that they were gonna do, you know, when things went awry and and and and Lee Harvey Oswald didn't die,
you know, as was right at the moment of the assassination is my theory that he was supposed to die there on the steps, as you've proven with your photographic overlays that he stood in the doorway.
And you know, once you believe, once you understand that, then you got to reassess everything else.
Well, I believe that the whole six-floor snipers nest and mail-order rifle were hurriedly invented when that when Lee didn't die on the steps.
Now, I've never sent a I've never shared this before, but Haley told me she wrote out the order for the mail order rifle for Lee Oswald.
She told me she wrote it out, Larry.
And and Harry Holmes was the one running all that, postal inspector, the postal inspector, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, uh, I, as one of the articles that I've written, is what were the working plans to kill the president?
And, you know, uh, my theory is that the reason why you can't see, or there's, you know, that guy that's pasted into the Elkin 6 photo with the shirt and tie man.
Yeah, my belief, my theory is that man was inserted into that photo to hide the people that held Lee Harvey Oswald as he stood there on the steps.
And another thing is the two Secret Service guys that are around the Queen Mary craning their heads back to look into that doorway, they were watching that struggle.
I believe they were watching the struggle between the people that held Oswald and were ready to kill him.
And they would have done so had JFK been killed at the corner where they so you're talking about a scuffle at the top of the steps?
I am.
I am.
Interesting.
And I'm saying that the shirt and tie man was inserted because, you know, they got Oswald up there.
And had JFK been hit, as I believe was the plan, right at the corner.
Because, I mean, he was.
You think Black Tie Man was inserted over his left shoulder to obviously say that he was being held by someone there?
I do, Jim.
Larry, didn't it?
Didn't Lee actually run down and get into the Rambler?
I mean, yeah, that was later.
That's the timeline on that is probably 30 seconds later.
30 seconds later.
Yeah.
Well, I've often wondered why they would do something so stupid as put Black Tie Man in front of him and behind him and obvious object impossibility, which is proof all by itself of alteration.
I mean, it's impossible.
I think they were, I think they were working hurriedly.
And Lee was gone.
And they weren't sure where they were going to go with this thing.
And that's why you get the Frasier alternate Patsy thing that I believe they were ready to run with.
Not just Frasier, but Billy and Molina, too.
Yeah, there's others there too.
Absolutely.
Take your pick.
Yeah, right.
I mean, Billy showed up at the TSB, you know, a wanted man, right?
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And you know, for stealing guns, no less from a military base.
So, yeah, sure, they had them all there.
But it looks as though, from what I can tell, is that they were ready to go with Frasier as being the guy.
Yeah, the rifle and the ammo at his house, of course.
The NFL.
The first one that was the Enfield 30 Odd was the first one that was announced.
For the Mauser.
Yeah, well, there's a news clip that I include in my report from WBAP where Tom Whalen is announcing, and they're just announcing the Texas school book depository as where the shots came from.
And they're saying there's a report from JC Day, and he's in charge of the investigative crime scene unit.
And he's telling the police that they found a 303 rifle with three 303 shells, which, of course, is exactly what Fraser owns.
Well, when Tom Darnell calls in, specifically at the moment that you're talking about Tom Darnell, he's talking to, he patches in Gene Hill.
And Gene Hill says, Tom Darnell asks her, you know, where it came from?
Oh, from the Hill.
And Tom Whaler goes, no, you're not supposed to talk about it.
Well, I got a picture of that in my report.
It's very telling.
And there's a lot about WBAP that.
Yeah.
There's also a moment at the breakfast that morning in Fort Worth, where if you watch the live thing before JFK arrives, the announcer goes into this script about how McKinley had been assassinated and how, you know, a man, a deranged man, came out of the crowd with a gun and a pistol.
I heard that.
And they were like preparing the audience for something that might happen there, it seems to me.
And then you have JFK walking out of the kitchen and walking across the floor to the podium, walking through the crowd.
That's how brave that guy was.
Yeah.
That's how brave that guy was.
Is that, you know, and he kind of went through there briefly, well, quickly rather, but he walked across that floor like he wasn't afraid of anybody.
And, you know, I think I've also written a report where I believe that it shows Antonio Vestiana at that event, just outside that door.
And I'd be glad to share that with you guys.
You know, one of my articles that I wrote, there's a man that very distinctive looking.
Looks like one of the least investigated aspects has been the Hallendale address there and how the Cubans, you know, were having all these meetings there.
Right.
Yeah.
And, you know, so Ambassiana could have been there.
That's for sure.
We know that Bosch was there.
We know that Orlando Bosch was there.
Okay.
Because he was a walkie-talkie man, you know, dark complexion, the Cuban man.
That's him.
Okay.
And Gordon Obel was the white guy, you know.
And Jack White did the research and we confirmed it, you know.
And those guys were giving signals down there on Elm Street.
Sure.
Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
It's like a firing line, you know.
He's got his hand up in the air.
I mean, yeah.
So that's that's my theory is that you know, Oswald was supposed to die on the steps.
They were going to say, Oh, yeah, there's no doubt about that.
They were going to throw a pistol down at his feet.
But let me just ask, let me just ask: how can he die on the steps if he's supposed to be shooting from the sixth floor?
I mean, how does he?
That's my point: is that the whole sixth floor sniper's nest and the mail order rifle were afterthoughts.
Yeah, Roy Roy Roy Lewis told me, who worked there, he said, I don't know about no sixth floor refurbishing, you know.
It's supposed to be, you know, okay.
I mean, that one really, you know, knocked me down.
Yeah, yeah, Jim Garrison said when Lee didn't die, that's when the whole thing went awry.
That's exactly right.
That's exactly right.
But, but, but what, Gary, when did he mean when Lee was supposed to die at the Texas theater or at the when was he supposed to die?
I thought that he was supposed to be killed at the book at the movie theater, you know, but um, our new guy here says there were all I know there were alternate plans and they were you know working it as it went.
And Gary, Gary, Gary, there were guys waiting in the back uh steps of the TSBD, you know.
They thought that he was going to come out that way and they were ready to you know kill him, you know, take him out.
Same thing at the theater, there were guys at the back door of the theater waiting for him.
Yeah, that was uh, what's his name?
Yeah, yeah, one question: how did he end up at the movie house?
Was he told to go there after?
Oh, that was pre-designed.
That was pre-designated because he headed directly to the theater.
He didn't make the side trip necessary to shoot there, but that was, of course, all fabricated.
He went directly to the theater to meet his handler or his contact.
Larry might know who it was or would have been.
No, that's Bill Alexander is the assistant DA who was back there, the Texas theater, you know, waiting for Lee.
You know, what was he doing there?
You know, he was assistant DA.
Wow.
Well, I've always thought that Oswald had a relationship with the FBI.
Well, yeah, he was informed, but he was getting 200 bucks away.
Warren DeBru took him to Dallas.
Right.
So I wouldn't be surprised if he was meeting somebody from the FBI there or was told to meet someone there from the FBI.
But before it all happened or after at the theater, I think that you're asking.
No, but he's at the Texas School Book Depository.
When does he find out he needs to go to the Texas theater?
Was he told that the night before?
Predetermined.
Yeah, yeah.
Could be.
Could be.
What did Jim Garrison say?
It doesn't matter what they told him.
You know, he was a foot soldier following orders.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, but, you know, I think initially that they wanted to kill him there on the steps.
I don't think they wanted him to live past.
I think it was supposed to all happen very quickly.
So are you saying that they missed him twice, maybe coming out of the TSBD and then later on the Texas theater?
Is that yeah, I think he saved his own life by yelling out numerous times.
I'm not resisting arrest.
Yeah, that's at the at the Texas theater.
But what about his movements at the TSBD before?
Because we don't know, you know, supposedly, we know that he got into the Rambler, okay?
And there are many versions about, for example, the little Laundromat mat, you know, and going to his rooming house, you know, and so, and which also has to do with the supposed second and or third Oswalds, because as Jim has said so many times, if you're going to talk about a second Oswald, you probably have to talk about a third Oswald, right, Jim?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely right.
Because CIA has a backup biography for its agents.
And therefore, when John talks about a second Oswald, I and Judith went through a number of his works about it and found inconsistencies.
I think it's just a stretch that he mistook the false biography the CIA created for Lee as though it were a real second person.
But you should also include Armstrong in there as well.
That's who I meant, Armstrong.
Yeah.
John Armstrong.
Yeah.
Well, isn't one of the places that he believes that there was a double was at the firing range?
And I've written an article really that looks very closely at that whole incident.
And I've determined that there was no one there that was an Oswald double and that the whole firing range story was a fabrication.
What about driving the car too?
The driving of the car at high speed saying he's going to get money and buy a Russian car.
Well, I'm sure that if that happened.
That's while he's still in Russia.
If that happened, you know, it wasn't Oswald.
Because, you know, why would a guy that has no plans to kill the president start talking crazy to some stranger at a rabbit hole?
They want you to go through into here.
That auto dealership is just right in the middle of everything right yes yeah, you had Zach Lawrence working there.
You had uh the uh uh the the uh, even the, the witnesses on the corner uh, the town, was it the Towners that the father worked there and they're providing all the vehicles different makes, models and colours, presidential motorcade.
Yeah yeah, that that whole dealership is, you know, right in the middle of everything.
Yeah that's, it's something to take into account.
Yeah well definitely, there's some some kind of uh, uh impersonation here of Lee, you know, in different ways.
Uh, there was a guy by the name of Everson Vance who was supposedly coming from Irving, and this one's not even mentioned, And in the Armstrong, where he's got three, I believe, but this guy is one that was never mentioned at all.
You can go in and research the guy.
And he was coming into Dallas and he caught a ride with somebody he said was Lee Oswald.
It was a day that it was raining and he gave him a ride downtown.
And because he was going, he was on his way to get his teeth.
You know, he had a dentist appointment.
And the guy throughout the whole ride was talking about subversive stuff and killing Kennedy and this and that.
But this is one of the instances where it's not reported by Armstrong or anybody of the others who had Lee being impersonated by this guy and this guy.
And this one is they totally avoided this guy, and they tried to erase the entire incident, but it still survived, and that's one of those footnotes, you know, that guy that you're talking about ended up being put into a mental hospital.
That's right.
That's right.
That's what happened.
So here's my theory on that is that, you know, they were making up stories to try to make Oswald look like, you know, a criminal.
And that was one of them.
And then they had to, they wanted to dismiss it, you know.
And in this case, they already have three Oswalds, you know, so a fourth one isn't going to work.
And they were trying to figure out which story was going to stick best.
Remember?
I agree.
I agree.
Remember, they didn't release the woman report until nine, ten months later.
So they had a lot of time to like pick and choose which stories they were going to go with.
Yeah, so Dee, I was reading your article and you were saying that there were snipers in the records building.
I am.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, let's talk about that.
I mean, for a long time, and you and I, all of us have known that there were people up in those windows.
And, you know, most of the photos, just a little specs, you know, and you, but then right after the assassination, when the whole plaza erupts into chaos, well, those people are gone.
They're not in that window anymore.
Now, if you're there as a spectator and you're looking out the window and something happens as the president's going by and the whole crowd is running up the hill, why would you go back to work?
Wouldn't you just stay in the windows and keep watching?
See what happens, mayhem.
And so when I found a very good picture of them in the out-of-camera FM Bell film, very, very close shot of that group of people there.
Well, they look even more suspicious.
And then when I found a supplemental report written by C.L. Lummy Lewis, and there's names on this list of people that he either arrested or were suspicious people, you had Brayden, you had Florer, and then you had Garland Slack, which they only put GG Slack down on his supplemental report.
And he gave him the wrong address.
This is Lummy Lewis.
And of course, Garland Slack was the man that came forward 10 days later claiming that he saw Oswald at the firing range, rapid firing, and with a rifle that was wrapped in a blanket.
And so, you know, when I saw that the same guy that came forward to claim that he saw Oswald at a firing range was arrested at the scene of Houston and Elm, well, that rang bells, you know.
So what I did was I went and looked at Garland Slack's Warren Commission testimony and his FBI reports.
And as I say, the only thing you could come away with after reading that and the supposed other witnesses who supposedly saw Oswald is that it's like the soup made from a shadow of a chicken.
There's just, it's not only thin, it's see-through.
The whole thing was fabricated.
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And I believe the documents prove that.
For instance, Garland Slack, he tells the FBI, well, he was identical to Oswald, except he had blonde hair.
And that's in the FBI report, you know, and even the FBI wrote in their report of his discrepancies in his story.
And the rabbit hole gets deeper the deeper you look.
But it's clear to me that the whole rifle range story is a complete fabrication.
There was a shot and a flash from the county records building?
There is.
In fact, the Hughes film, if you look close, you'll see a flash from that window where those spectators are as right as the president's car is making that slow turn.
And there's another cut in the film five or 10 seconds earlier during that turn.
I also discovered that the policeman on the corner down there, instead of standing in the middle of the street, blocking the street, they're way off to the east end of the crosswalk standing together.
And the whole crosswalk is left open.
And the reason I believe that that was left open is because that's where gunfire would have come through had they been shooting at the president from the county records building as he made the turn.
Of course, the Houston Street in those days was a dead end.
And it just, it didn't go anywhere.
That's right.
That's right.
100%.
100 percent back there now that's right i believe i believe that this is one of the points that i make uh on fraser you know and he actually told because it was ball joseph ball who showed him that image that showed houston going straight you know when it really turned you know you and that was so deceptive, you know, even Frasier said, yeah, that's where you say, you know, it goes straight.
It's so funny, you know, because in that instance, Frasier was trying to tell us, you know, this guy's full of shit, you know?
So in my report, in my report that I've written, and it's quite a long report, it's, I think, 35 pages.
But there's a lot of documents and photos to prove what I'm saying.
But what was supposed to happen was JFK was supposed to die from one bullet and one bullet alone from a guy in the county records building.
And they were going to kill Oswald moments later, right there on the steps.
And it was going to be case closed.
You know, the commie red defector got a lucky shot off with his pistol, you know, at the corner.
And then the guys who were there, who I believe held him at the time, that's why they put the shirt and tie man into the photo, as well as your friend Roy, whose head is turned to the I asked him, What are you looking at?
You know, he says, Yeah, I don't know.
He probably wasn't looking there.
I think they inserted that picture of his head to hide the other hand that was down here on Oswald's right side.
And if you look at those photos again and think about what I'm saying, I think you'll agree with me that what you're seeing there in that photo is they're hiding the men that held Oswald.
Well, the problem is, indeed, that's such a small area of celluloid, you know.
And doing that is, well, it would have been possible.
What we have surmised is that it was blown up, and which we know that Billy Lovelady was brought in that night and he was shown a blown-up version of the Alton 6 that was the size of a desk, you know.
So that's the size, you know, of what they would have been working on to then reshoot it into a negative.
You know, that's the theory.
But still, you know, that's such a small area, you know, and I'm amazed that we're talking about, you know, that that small, that's such a small area that would be subject to alteration.
But unfortunately, it is.
It was.
It had to have been.
You know, I agree.
I took the Alcin 6 and I just made a couple of simple adjustments to the contrast.
Well, we have the negative.
We have the original magic.
you do i know you do i know you do and what i'm saying is just just with a simple uh adjustment to contrast it really brings out how awful that shirt and tie man is as far as i agree i agree i I thought, and I wrote in the book that these were what they call dagger strokes, which is a technique in airbrushing.
And I went and I verified and I researched that technique.
And it looks exactly the same.
And it's in the book, you know.
Okay.
Well, yes.
And I think what we're seeing again with the Secret Service guys in the follow-up cars, they're craning their heads and they're not looking up to the sixth floor.
They're looking at that door.
What about Emery Roberts, who has his face covered, his mouth covered, you know, with the big, you know, big microphone?
Yeah, well, we know that the Alcin 6 is heavily altered.
And wasn't it the Alcin 6 that you pointed out, the guy with the mouth open, looking up?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But that part hasn't been altered.
You know, there's, you know, that guy was.
And what's so haunting about that guy is he's looking towards the right, towards the fire escape of the TSBD, not the Dow Tex, you know?
And that's a whole different story on its own.
Here's the black tie man right there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's obviously been planted in there.
I was going to say, as far as the guy with the open mouth, now, the county records window spectators, I can show you a person on the west side of Houston that I believe was pointing up to that window where they grayed out her hand.
I think there was a witness who saw what happened out of that window.
Well, if you follow Beverly Brunson's research, she believes what they're reacting to are firecrackers, cherry bombs, and or other diversionary explosions there at the top of Elm Street, you know, to actually draw attention to TSBD, which is where you see Landis and Reddy reacting in The Old Gen 6.
That's Beverly's theory, you know.
And I have to, you know, mention it because it was a possibility.
And besides, she supported it with one commission not only testimony, but also of affidavits of some of the Secret Service men who said, hey, you know,
they saw some kind of streamers or firecrackers or something related to that diversion up there at the top of Elm Street as the JFK Limo was making the turn on the onto Elm Street.
Well, what I say when people start talking about the sound of shots, and I say this, that professional snipers don't go to work without the tools of the trade.
And they are using suppressed weapons.
That's all part of the plan.
Now, what they did was they had their cherry bombs and they were going to, you know, coordinate blowing these things off when these snipers were shooting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Of course, the cherry bombs were in a different location to get you to look there.
But what I'm saying is, I actually have proved that a very close study of the Hughes film will show a woman on the west side of the street who's pointing up to the window.
It's like a really clear alteration.
I wouldn't doubt it.
I wouldn't doubt it.
I'll check it out.
I'll check it out.
And then she turns to her right.
There's a policeman standing on the west side, and he's just kind of staring over at the county records building.
But he's not, she looks like she's trying to get his attention after she's pointing to the window.
Sure, sure.
If you want to look at that, Larry, look for the woman.
We've still got some messages, you know, of reactions of the crowd there.
And it can be, you know, gleaned from the Z film and other what's don't forget that they left us, you know, bare bones.
You know, the FBI went and collected every film and film, either film or stationary, you know, that was available, you know, and to make up their own legend.
But there was a lot to hide.
They didn't get it off.
They did everything.
We're always talking about it.
Catching those flashing lights, man, that was genius on your part.
Yeah, that was Roy Roy Schaefer.
Are you talking about the Z film?
Yeah, I'm talking about when they had the blinking lights, there weren't any synchronization.
Remember that?
It was Larry.
I mean, Roy.
Yeah, yeah.
It was Roy Schaefer.
Yeah, the blink rate.
Yeah, that was.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Wasn't it Beverly Brunson that noticed that they had, and there was a limo was so reflective that it showed a lot of things and they covered it up.
Yeah, hell yeah.
Yeah.
Damn right.
So Barry.
How come the reflection on the limo is so nice in other images, but then all of a sudden on Elm Street, it's all obliterated.
Dull blue, right?
Yeah.
That's a pain job.
That woman was amazing in all that she went through.
Your report on her was awesome.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I thought it had to be, they had to put it on the record because One of those unfunged had nobody goes through what she went through, you know, unless she was really, you know, being a pain in their ass, you know.
You know, they try to kidnap her and drug her and all that.
Come on, amazing story, you know.
And she was sending this stuff to Harold Weisberg.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it was only like two or three years.
And, you know, my friends in Kansas, you know, they've been meaning to make a trip over to Baxter Springs and do some research, you know, on her, you know, and also in Joplin, you know, which where this happened, you know, and we're still waiting, but looking forward to that field trip is what they're talking about because it's right there in the backyard, you know, I said, and they couldn't believe that Beverly Brunson was from Kansas, you know, and these guys are going, oh my God,
you know, this is crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Gary and Jim and know how we've been talking about Beverly for years.
Jesus.
If y'all want to know a lot of things, go to the new JFK show.
They're still well, they were, they've been taken down, but uh, YouTube has put them all back up.
So if you want, I think, well, we're at 297.
So if you want maybe a week or so without sleeping, every show is just one revelation after the next.
Hey, hey, but did you lose?
You lose, you lost some of them, right?
No, what happened when Jim Fetcher and his Sandy Hook stuff became a magnet for deletion?
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And I was the first to go.
And believe it or not, I was making a thousand dollars a month off of YouTube with those JFK shows.
And then I went to my email and I was saying, Poop, you've been deleted.
Your channel is terminated.
That's what they said.
I remember that.
I remember that.
And they terminated for many years.
And then finally, lately, because they're losing so much viewership to BitChute and other platforms, they decided to let all this conspiracy stuff back on YouTube.
But regulated, huh?
Gary.
Gary.
How's your hourglass?
We got about that much time left before we hit an hour.
Okay.
Okay.
Because we're having a great time with D here.
I figured we're going to have other conversations with D.
I just want to check the timing for today.
Go ahead, Larry.
D. Gary, let me interject one question.
Yep, yep, yep.
When this when Jim, I'm forgetting his last name, was firing bullets through windshields and junkyards, you know, to see if he could hit a dummy in the back seat.
And he did it again and again and found it made a small wide spiral nebula with a dark hole in the center, just as we see in the Altin 6.
He said it also made the sound of a firecracker.
Yeah.
Now, you're talking about these cherry bombs and all that.
Could it just be that one shot from that one bullet?
That sound of the firecracker that has somehow evolved cherry bombs and apart from the bullets.
When you have a hail of bullets, you know, it's hard to tell one from the other.
No, no, Larry, this is the bullet through the windshield.
I know, I know, I know.
That's my point.
I think that people heard that, but I also think that people heard cherry bombs being blown up as well.
That's what I'm asking.
Were there cherry bombs in addition to the sound of the firecracker?
I would think so.
It will be a part of a coordinated paramilitary operation.
It's clear on that.
Yeah.
They're going to use all their tools.
Oh, and deception, of course.
And the kill shot is going to come from a silence weapon.
And I think you guys, when you went down to the cubby hole, I think that I think that's a valid position, of course.
Yeah, I think they used the 22 down there.
Maybe the one that was owned by LeMay.
Who knows?
Yeah, that's the AR-5.
That's the AR-5 that David Knight.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
AR-5 Mystery00:03:30
We've got a fireball or whatever they call it.
Yeah, no, That's that's the uh files thing.
They're talking about the AR-5, which has those uh 5.5 millimeter, okay, and which is the exact.
And I have actually, I have a couple of the rounds here, you know, and it's exactly the right plus the uh muzzle uh velocity and everything.
And in fact, uh, David is shown, you know, it's it's featured in uh in one of the James Bond movies, you know, from Russia with Love, you know, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Every time I go to Dealey Plaza, I take him right to the cubby hole and show them how obvious it's the one that lines up, Gary.
It's the one that lines up, it does, and then to hide the weapon, just putting it in there and lock it up, everything's fine.
Yeah, but remember the guy that we had on the show a couple of years ago?
Uh, what was his name, uh, Pusey or something that uh about the ladder guy, you know, carrying the ladder?
Remember that one, Jim?
Yeah, I do, I do, I do, I do.
Do you know Ralph is claiming it was impossible for a shot to have been fired through the windshield?
What has happened to this guy?
Don't worry about that.
And we and we keep and we keep in mind that there was a three-wheeler parked down on the sidewalk on the uh west side of the bridge.
I didn't know about that.
Oh, yeah, there's a three-wheeler cop that's down there on the west side of the bridge to keep people from going down that sidewalk.
So I take it that D has been in Dealy Plaza.
You've been to De Lee Plaza?
Oh, no, I haven't.
Oh, I but I've seen, I've just studied the photos, okay, okay, for 50 years, and I can tell you that there was a three-wheeler.
Don't do like a Leno Sanek on us, you know.
Uh, he he talks, you know, all the things about JFK, and then, oh, you ever been down there?
I said, no, I've never been down there.
Well, I'm not pretending to be an expert.
No, I'm talking, I'm just making a joke about somebody that Jim used to like show with.
Yeah, we like what you got to say, D.
It's good, it's all good.
Hey, Jim, you are by the way, who started Black Op Radio Lynn O'Sanek, right?
No, no, but Larry's got more.
I don't know more, Larry.
Tell us.
No, no, I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah, Jim Fetzer and Larry and Lynn O'Sanek were Black Op Radio for a long time until Jim Di Eugenio came on.
There you go.
So, don't even mention, don't even mention that name.
Yeah, I remember you guys, I remember you guys reading the hit piece that he wrote about Jim.
And in fact, I believe I typed up something and wrote something on my that was so deliberate.
That was so deliberate, you know, so crazy.
I believe it was sadly, you know, it was an unfair attack, I think.
Oh, yeah, no doubt about it.
But Jim responded the way he had to, you know, and seven hours worth.
It was, it was, we had like six months responding to that.
Remember, yeah, I think it was to sway Oliver from even thinking about me for his sequel to JFK.
So then he went with Dio Genio and this stupid shit on the single bullet.
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And he didn't even show David's medical reputation.
It was an anatomical impossibility.
That whole thing was totally rigged.
Yeah.
No doubt about it.
So.
Well, fellas, should we call it?
We're just about there on the hour and maybe set up another show sometime.
Oh, yeah.
I like what Dee has to say here.
And he's obviously invested a huge amount of time and effort.
Give us some more thoughts, Dee.
Where would you like to go from here?
Gosh, there's so much to say, but, you know, I look forward to doing some more shows with you.
And you're welcome to use any of my articles.
Yeah, what I think we ought to do for the next is figure one, and we'll all take a look at it before we do the show because I've got all six of them.
I've shared them.
You got it, don't you, Gary, Larry?
Because Gary.
I'd love to hear the guy's take on my articles.
That'd be great.
Yeah, the only thing that I'm not 100% about is the dart.
They were supposed to tranquilize him before the shots fired.
I'm not 100% convinced.
I'm not saying it didn't happen.
Well, that's the way I explain the shallow back wound.
I'm not saying it was in the front.
I'm saying it was the back wound.
And I'm saying, you know, obviously we know that the CIA had a gun that shot a dart.
And it seems to me they might want to tranquilize him before he got to the corner.
I think it would have been a chancy hitting the guy in a moving car with a dart gun.
Yeah, they had the gun.
They had the dart gun, but I don't think it was used in Dealy Plaza.
This is one of Ralph's things.
So effing carried away with it.
But D are.
It's a neurotoxin.
Jim, it's a neurotoxin.
I know.
Dee, are you doubting the back wound?
I mean, we got the shirt and the jacket.
We got the bullet.
No, no, I'm not doubting it.
I'm saying that it may have been a tranquilizing dart.
I mean, it only went in this much.
I mean, a jacketed bullet.
Dee, we got the bullet.
That was the bullet put on the stretcher.
Sam Kenny.
Jeff is already wearing a back brace and he's a man.
Sam Kenney found it when he was using a bucket of water and sponge to wash out at Parkland.
Dee, and he took it inside and put it on a stretcher.
Okay.
And well, that's definitely one theory.
It wasn't a disappearing bullet or ice bullet, any of these other happy horse shit.
I cannot believe some of that garbage.
Unreal.
And now who we got?
Landis, Larry, is claiming he was the one who found the bullet.
Yeah.
But see, it was a shallow shot.
Dee, you're right.
They're mostly a handload.
I think it was, you know, the deputy sheriff fired the shot with a 30-odd six using a skin poller.
Go ahead.
You interviewed Kenny's neighbor, didn't you?
I didn't interview him, but he was the one who came forward with a report that he'd been entrusted with Tam not to tell until after Sam's death.
Yeah.
Harry Weatherford, I think that shot from the county record billy was fired by Harry Weatherford with a 30-odd six using a plastic collar to implant a man Look or Carcona bullet that had previously been fired from the weapon they blamed on lead, the one actually used in the Dow Tax, not the one found in the book depository, to implicate him.
And it was a shallow shot.
It was a hand load.
And they didn't have it, you know, powerful enough, but I think in part deliberately just wanted to implant the bullet.
That wasn't going to be a kill shot, in my opinion.
That was just to implant the bullet.
Let me ask it worked its way out.
Sam found it.
He took it in.
He said he left it on a stretcher, and then it would become the magic bullet.
Is there any proof that Weatherford was up on the roof?
Yeah, there's a testimony.
Who said it?
Roger Craig.
I've never thought this was seriously in doubt.
Jim and I. My point.
That's in the book.
You'll find that in the book Crossfire by Jim Mars.
I know that Harry Weatherford ordered a special gun or a school special silence.
Okay.
Well, let me just point out also that Garland Schlack, the man who came forward and claimed that Oswald was at the firing range, in his televised interview, he explains that he was at the range testing his precision gun, the precision gun that he was building.
Okay, so he's a gun maker.
He's a gunmaker that makes precision guns for marksmen.
And my point is, he admitted being in the county records building.
So did Florin wouldn't it be a lot easier to hit the president from an open window 30 feet up than from the top of the building?
I mean, the windows were open is my point.
I think there was gunfire from those windows.
Yeah, you need to check his article out.
He's got a lot about that and pictures.
I hope that you have a chance to read that one.
I think it's pretty thorough.
I include all the documents.
Well, why don't we start there next week then?
Is there we can talk about this question of when to do the show?
Is there a better time than this on Wednesdays?
Would Sunday be better?
Would that work better for you, D or Larry?
I don't know.
You're the guy most busy, probably next to me.
I'm okay with Wednesday.
Wednesday, I was going to ask you, Jim went with Jesse Ventura to recreate the three shots.
Yeah.
And how did that go?
Well, he had a much better condition, man.
Look or Carcano.
It was really in superb condition.
Jesse's a much better shot.
But was he able to do what?
They had me to verify the angles and the distances.
He had stationary targets.
And in three runs at three shots hit, he was able to hit one target one time.