REAL DEAL SPECIAL (25 February 2026): Bill Binney & Katherine Horton UNDER FIRE! w Bill Binney
Bill Binney and Katherine Horton face relentless criticism in Jim Fetzer’s REAL DEAL SPECIAL, where Democrats ignored his "sex change with children" claims despite their election-year theatrics. The episode dissects Trump’s State of the Union, questioning its foreign policy omissions—like Iran’s nuclear threats and Ukraine’s alleged French-British nuclear supply—while exposing DOJ/FBI delays on Epstein ties (e.g., Maxwell’s sisters, Bondi’s connections) and Pelosi’s fraud allegations. Skepticism extends to AI’s unchecked self-assembly risks and NSA’s bloated $10B/year surveillance costs since 2001, framing systemic waste as a generational burden. Their debate underscores deep distrust in institutions, from election integrity to intelligence spending, amid shifting public sentiment on Israel and population control claims tied to the WEF. [Automatically generated summary]
Another special real deal report with Bill Benny and Catherine Horton under fire this week with Bill in the wake of the State of the Union address by Donald Jay.
We'll see what Bill has to say about it and much, much more.
Bill, your thoughts that you watched?
Did you watch it?
Yes, I just did.
You just did.
Yeah.
I was, you know, with some of the things like that he was saying there about the policies and things like, you know, having sex change with children without notifying the parents, which is an absolutely insane thing to do.
None of those Democrats stood up that kind of stuff.
What kind of people are they?
You know, I just, and some of the other things, I just can't, you know, couldn't understand why they couldn't at least stand up and cheer for some of that stuff, some of the good things that are happening.
You know, even when he said the role of government is to protect the people, they didn't stand up, Bill.
They didn't stand up.
I know.
I think the role of the government is to enforce the Constitution, but it has a consequence of protecting the people and under the political context of a state of the union to not stand up.
Can you imagine how many political commercials before the midterm are going to be made out of this, them cities?
I mean, what happened was the Democrats exposed what they're really all about.
And they're taking the short end of the stick of the popular popularity.
I mean, 80-some percent of the public is with the president on a lot of these issues.
Not to put it in delicate language, they fucked up.
I mean, I couldn't believe it.
I couldn't believe it.
I mean, listen, I evaluate the speech on the one hand as political rhetoric and theater, right?
And I thought it was a masterpiece of political rhetoric and theater.
And he boxed in the Democrats and made them look bad on really.
They actually committed political suicide, in my view.
I think it's going to be this is going to be a big advantage coming up to the midterm because all you got to do is replay these where they sat on their fannies.
I couldn't believe it.
But then there's, of course, critiquing whether he got the facts right, whether you agree with the policies.
That's a whole other matter.
But I'm saying for a political speech, I thought this was a masterpiece.
And Bill, when he brought in a dozen, you know, individuals group to praise them, it was self-deprecating.
He didn't come across as the egotistic old narcissist.
We know him to be.
It was wonderful for him politically.
I think so.
Yeah.
I think it was a masterpiece of what he tactics of what he did.
That I agree.
We are 100% in agreement.
Isn't that wonderful?
I've become such a severe critic on his foreign policy, but I mean, in terms of handling this speech on this occasion, politically, a masterpiece.
It was not just a masterpiece.
Two hours.
Yeah.
Very.
15 minutes.
Yeah.
Of course, the most important part was what he didn't say that we were attacking Rand.
See, that was we dodged a bullet.
That was my greatest concern.
He was going to announce the attack on Iran.
Oh, yeah.
Well, you know, you don't know what they're saying in private, what the negotiations they are having, what they're saying there.
And you don't know what's being proposed.
So, you know.
Well, the negotiations, as far as nukes are concerned, Rand's all for it.
You know, they already did the joint comprehensive plan.
Had no interest in nukes.
But Bib, after the thrashing they got of the 12-day war, he's worried about the missiles.
So he wants to change the whole thing to disarm Iran of its ballistic missiles, which, of course, is an impossibility.
So, on the one hand, you got an easy deal, but it's not the one BB wants.
I think Trump would be happy just to restore the equivalent of the old comprehensive plan of action, which he should never have withdrawn.
He only withdrew from it because of BB pressure.
So, BB could harp on about their having nukes, which was impossible under the plan.
Yeah, well, I just simply don't know enough about the situation there to be able to say that.
I just think the whole thing is really pretty bad.
Look at what happened to all the people being killed over there just for peacefully demonstrating.
Well, I guess you could say it's not quite peacefully because they were throwing rocks and stuff like that.
But they said, Yeah, but the actual number appears to be about 3,200.
So, they multiplied by 10 to claim 32,000.
It was not.
It was a CIA MOSAD MI6.
You know, it was a color revolution that fell flat.
Well, I'm sure they see that's the part I don't, I don't like giving any implication that we were going to help them, uh, you know, because it's really not our problem.
But the idea of if they if they'd encourage people to go out there and encourage any action or counteraction by the government killing people, I mean, I just thought we shouldn't encourage any more of that because more people will be killed.
That's all.
And saying help is on the way.
I know that's I that's kind of a commitment.
And what's he going to do now?
You know, apparently, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff went into the Oval Office and President Marco Rubio, JD Vance, Jared Kushner.
He explained we can't do it.
And we don't have the weaponry that we gave half of it to Ukraine and the other half to Israel, and we can't do it.
And Colonel McGregor has been saying forever that we're going to run out of missile before they run out of missiles.
And then, of course, we're just sitting docks.
So I've been predicting we'd lose five to six ships, 10 to 20,000 troops, and Israel would be decimated if Trump went forward.
The Chinese have given the Iranians their long-range radar capabilities, Bill, 700 kilometers.
It has command and control and automatic retargeting of missiles.
So they can detect even south planes coming in.
Also, they have the battlescape.
They're giving them satellite imagery in real time of all the American deployments.
So if there were a launch, Iran's able to fire off all their missiles before any of them land.
So, you know, the plan is to try to undermine Iran's ability to launch its missiles.
And it doesn't look like it's going to happen.
Though if they could bring about an EMP, maybe they could have at least partial success.
So that's been my greatest concern at this point, if they could actually rig an EMP.
Well, I'll tell you what concerns me the most.
Yeah.
Yeah, one of those links that you sent me was an article where it was the Russians were saying they had intelligence where the French and the British were planning on providing a nuclear weapon to Ukraine.
I mean, that's true.
That's for the last two days.
That's current.
And that's insane.
It's insane.
And Mendavit has said, well, if this happens, Russia will nuke the UK, France, and Ukraine.
And he said it is a fact.
And it is a fact.
He had this saying, but I mean, this is ludicrous.
I couldn't agree more.
Yeah, I mean, it's just that's, I mean, wherever those two got, if that's really true now, that's how the hell those people ever came up with it.
I don't know.
They have to be absolutely insane.
Yeah, I got multiple sources that Russian intelligence was reporting it and exposed it.
And yeah, it's just unbelievable.
And you know what?
Zelensky would do as soon as he got a nuke.
He'd hit Moscow.
He wouldn't the same face, the same day.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just crazy beyond the immorality of it.
I mean, not just militarily colossally stupid, but the immorality to put all these people to death for politics.
Yeah, yeah.
Grotesque.
Yes.
Well, I mean, what's going on there is bad enough right now.
I mean, it's just something that really should never have happened to begin with.
I agree with Trump.
I don't think that would have happened.
I think he would have made a deal before that with the Russians and the Ukrainians.
He could have worked out a deal with them before, you know, without having a problem.
Anyway, Ukraine historically was a part of Russia.
The first Russian capital was Kiev.
Yeah, yeah.
And here you had Zbek, you know, in his grand chessboard saying, if you could pry Ukraine away from Russia because it's a breadbasket, you could greatly weaken the bear.
So we got an independent Ukraine.
I guess because was it Khrushchev?
It was Ukrainian.
No, I think it was Yeltsin.
Yeah.
Well, one of them, you know, wanted Ukraine to be independent, which was a very bad idea.
But this is why Putin has been so kind and gentle.
These are all Russians.
This is family.
You know, he doesn't want his boy to wipe him out.
If you remember what Stalin did to Ukraine, he cut the food off where about 8 million of them died of starvation.
Starvation, yeah.
In the 1930s.
Now, there was a brute, if ever there were one.
Yeah.
He was a fairly little guy, actually.
Yeah, he's ruthless.
Ruthless.
I would call him a short shit.
I like it.
I like it.
And then you saw the other story, which Scott Ritter seems to think it was apocryphal.
And I suspect this was at the start of the 12-day war, but it may have been more distant past that Israel had an F-35 with a nuke to greet an EMP over Iran to take out their electrical grid and their all the computerized components on their missile.
But that the Russia detected it coming out of Jordanian airspace and shot it down.
Yeah, I tried to find something about that on the web when with that link you sent.
And I couldn't, I couldn't find anything.
Do you use Yandex?
Because you know, Google is so censored, Bill.
Yandex, which is the Russian search engine, is much better.
Yandex?
Yandex, you want to use Yandex.
You'll be very happy.
Okay.
All right.
Well, you know, I did approach Google in 2003 saying that I could help you improve your return on your queries.
Yeah.
And it's the stuff that's relevant and only stuff that's relevant.
Yeah.
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And of course, they said, because of their business plan, which gets them paid by the numbers of advertising they put out, the more they put out, the more money they make.
They said, they said, oh, you want to shorten our returns?
No, thank you.
We're doing just fine.
Thank you very much.
That was the same thing I wanted to do.
That was the same concept with the Synthread.
I wanted to get the analysts only relevant data, you know?
So, how do you do that?
So, sure.
Well, it was, you know, we talked about this the way to do it through logic, right?
Yeah.
Well, I'm glad you watched this State of the Union.
I really thought it had many virtues as a political theater, political theater.
Oh, I think he just walked all over the Democrats that.
Oh, he did.
And some of it was so overt, right in their face bill.
Right at their face.
And he called them out.
Look at that.
I know he's all stand up.
They're just sitting there.
They're just sitting there.
I mean, making it obvious.
Geez, I mean, I know it.
I know.
I know.
It was just brilliant.
And he is a master of the media.
There's no one anyone who can compare even remotely with Trump and manipulating the media.
He's a genius at that.
Yeah.
When he got elected first in 2016, look at all the free advertising he got by the media for nothing.
Oh, yeah.
And what they didn't realize is they were putting it out there hitting, it was hitting the most of the people, you know.
I know, I know.
You're absolutely right.
Absolutely right.
And their campaign, it just didn't work.
It didn't work at all.
It just, it only made it what it really did was expose all those people in Washington, who they owe, who they are, and what they do.
Yes.
And look at AOC.
Look at what she's.
They're complaining.
I think they're claiming anyway, she's worth something like $30 million now.
Already?
She and Nancy Pelosi and some trading anyone.
And what was it a year ago?
She was worth what $50,000?
And now she's worth $30 million.
A former bartender.
Yeah, yeah.
To jump from something like $50,000 or whatever it was up to $30 million in one year.
Come on.
Well, I mean, if you know, I'm sure they're looking for connections back to the Minneapolis staff.
All the money coming back through Minneapolis being distributed, you know, back through the channels to support all those who support them.
And Elon Omer was even calling out shouting at Trump.
That was not very dignified.
That's, I could, I could hear him increasing the intensity of his talk so he could override her.
You know, you couldn't hear her.
That's what he was doing.
Yeah.
I could sense him doing that.
In that regard, he knows what he's doing.
My wife pointed out to me.
This is the other side of the ledger.
When he was told that Prince Annia was being arrested, he said, Well, the queen should just pardon her son.
I'm not sure if she has that power, you know, or he does.
Oh, no.
The point is, there is no queen.
She died, what, four years ago?
We got the king.
So here was saying it's that.
I was thinking that she meant the king, but you know, I don't know that the king has that.
He literally said the queen should pardon her son.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, but I don't even know that the crown has that power.
And they're in their constant.
The case for dementia, I think, is fairly strong that he has his moments, but I don't have any confidence in JD Vance.
I think he's a total tool of Israel.
He might go ahead and bomb Iran.
In that case, the Israelis might want Trump out and fans in it.
Trump is going to hesitate.
Yeah, the concern I had is I think he's too close to teal.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the data.
Creature of teal, yeah.
And the data system kind of approach for the world.
Right, right, right.
I mean, so many, so I mean, that's why I tried to put in protections in Synthred.
I could see that danger, you know, back in the 1990s doing the kind of stuff I was doing.
Yeah, it's pretty obvious if you just think about it, you know.
Yes.
Agreed.
Agreed.
But they have an agenda.
It's not really, it's not national security.
Yeah.
It's not protecting the public interest.
It has far narrower and more specific goals.
AOC being a nice illustration there from 50,000 to 14 million.
Yeah, yeah.
In a year, in a year, Bill, in a year?
Yep.
Audrey.
And Congress grand, you know?
Yeah.
Especially when you have all those people who can quickly learn how to defraud the government out of billions of dollars and they'll share with you, you know, I'm sure.
Yes.
Yeah.
I'm sure they'll share with you.
Yes.
And I'm sure that's being looked at right now.
But I also don't understand what the hell it's taken the DOJ and the FBI so damn long to find out stuff.
Oh, the data is already there.
For Christ's sake, I could go in in five minutes, find out what I was, some of the answers to the questions they should be having, you know, like, is there an effort there?
You know what?
Well, they already have all the damn data to figure that out.
Bill, do you know when the Ghulane Maxwell's sisters work for the FBI and their software processing?
More leverage, you know?
And all of the connections.
Kash Patel flies over to join the hockey team drinking beer and celebrating in the locker room.
That was pretty bizarre.
But have you ever seen such an incompetent director of the FBI?
I don't think we've ever seen anything like this.
He's a clown.
Well, you see, that's why I don't understand why they aren't moving better.
I mean, maybe that's why, you know, they didn't have a deputy director too long.
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Yeah.
Maybe he had to get out because he couldn't take it.
I don't know.
That's a mixed bag, I think, with him.
Yeah, yeah.
My wife also says that.
Yeah, there even reports that Pam Bondi was an Epstein girl that she was exploited early on.
Oh, geez, you've got to be kidding me.
Yeah, no, I'm serious.
Well, then she ought to be on the hot trail to follow it up and get all you would think.
Yeah.
But she's been all over the place on the Epstein files.
They exist.
They don't exist.
We've released them.
We're not going to release them.
You know, we're not going to release anymore.
I felt that the president should have said, release everything and let the chips fall where they may.
Just let it happen.
He told Thomas Massey that a lot of his friends would be hurt.
Well, are they do they deserve it?
Well, of course.
Well, so what?
So what?
Yeah.
Well, and he's protecting himself.
I think the horrors there about Donald J are immense, Bill.
I'm sorry to say.
I voted for the guy three times, right?
It's not been wildly enthusiastic about him over the years.
Yeah.
But I'll tell you, he's been better than any president I can remember with the economy and with trying to do something for the country.
Everybody else has been given away.
They all got us to where we are right now.
I'm just fascinated to hear you say that.
And Catherine, of course, says very similar things.
And it makes me think twice about the guy.
Well, I mean, look at what happened.
He had HW and H went after the Middle East and the wars.
With the wars, Hillary went, look at what, look at all this selling dope in the United States to get money to buy guns for the Contras with Reagan.
You know, one of the guys you think would have been one of the better presidents, right?
But corrupting your own kids to make money to send guns.
Oh, God.
Come on.
Just because Congress wouldn't fund that?
I remember all that crap.
I love your point about the Democrats not even cheering when he was saying, you know, opposing parents being denied the right to know that the schools were changing the sex of their children.
I mean, how outrageous is that, Bill?
That is bottom line.
That's absolutely.
The whole damn midterm election on its head right there.
Yeah, not counting that, but also the crime.
And you notice what they did with the illegal immigration and even getting the criminals out.
They still stood up for the criminals.
I can't understand how they're doing that.
It's true.
He really boxed them in.
He really boxed them in.
Isn't it just amazing?
Every turn, everything, just about everything he said, forced them to commit political suicide.
Isn't that amazing?
That's amazing.
I mean, I don't know how they can live this down, but you know, like you say, coming up in the midterms and the next election, these things are going to be coming back and back and back over and over again.
They're never going to live this down.
As long as he doesn't attack Iran, because that's a really bottom line issue.
70% of Americans are opposed to attacking Iran.
Yeah.
Well, just so long as you can get a deal that ensures they don't get nuclear weapons, I think.
Well, that's not a problem because they don't want nuclear weapons.
So they'll sign on that dot in mind.
Let's put it this way.
If they only wanted nuclear material for nuclear generation of energy, they didn't have to enrich beyond 5%.
They enrich up to 60%.
That's down from 80 to 90% is weapons grade.
So that's a long way to weapons grade.
Yeah.
Much further than they ever had to go.
If they really were saying, and it was true, that all they wanted it was for peaceful energy generation.
I have argued forever that the Middle East would be better off if Iran did have nukes, because then you'd have mutually assured destruction.
We'd have peace and stability.
Yeah, but look at what just about happened in Pakistan and India.
I mean, if he hadn't, if Trump hadn't stepped in, those are nuclear powers.
Yep.
If he hadn't stepped in, they were shooting at each other.
So, if he didn't step in and use trade and tariffs, you know, which the stupid, and I put a post out saying, gee, it really seemed to me ever since, ever since, if you remember, Roberts changed the Obamacare statement of a fine to under your arrest, as I understand.
He was blasphemy, but he changed it, right?
He changed the wording to tax to make it to say it would then be acceptable to the court.
That's the job of Congress, not him.
Yes.
And he took that power over, and therefore he was writing the law.
And he did it to make it pass.
Yes.
He should not have done that.
He should have sent it back to Congress.
You can't call it a fine.
You have to do something else.
Apparently, he adopted a couple of kids from Ireland and it wasn't done properly.
That's what I mean.
That's the leverage.
I thought they had something else on them, much, a much worse thing.
Like for me, they may, but at least those are the reports I've got.
I haven't heard any of that, so I don't, I can't comment on that.
So I don't know.
But your again, this is what he did this time, you know, seemed also to me to be leveraged.
Somebody had the leverage on him to stop it.
What seems to me, you know, that the Constitution is very clear.
All taxes have to come out of the House.
They got to originate in the Congress.
And the tariffs function as a tax.
Well, I have felt this was a constitutionally well-founded argument, however much it may antagonize a man.
Yeah.
I mean, that may be true, but you know, there are other, there are other long-standing laws that he can use to do basically the same thing.
And even the trouble is that all the tariffs that have been collected now in this year have to be rescinded.
And, you know, I'm getting calls to my shows.
Are they going to get any of their money back?
And I'm sorry to say, probably the corporation to get their money back, but it's unlikely it's going to get divvied up back to them.
Yeah, well, I don't think they should give any of it back, but, you know, I think they should keep it all.
Because I've been, I've been, this country has been screwed for decades.
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That's ever since World War II, when we were the only thing left on the planet that was doing anything functionally well, and everybody else was in ruins.
And we helped them out with a Marshall Plan, but we decided to keep the Marshall Plan going.
So we kept giving it away for another 50-some years.
Yeah.
You're right.
And we should have had.
It should have had an automatic exploration date.
Yeah, something.
That's a great point.
I mean, I believe in fair trade, you know, I mean, helping them out to get them built up to the point where they can function, fine.
You know, but after that, you know, like around 1955 to 60, somewhere in there, we should have said, okay, you're in shape now.
Goodbye.
You know, we're back to fair trade.
And now about this story, Bill, which I think I also forwarded about Ukraine bombing this oil distribution plant that gives 86% of the oil supply to Hungary and 100% to Slovakia.
They're members of NATO.
I know.
This wouldn't attack by an external country.
Ukraine not being a member of NATO and NATO nations.
It ought to invoke Article 5, but all we're getting is crickets.
Well, nobody wants to do that because, you know, it'll go against everybody else in Europe that wants to support them.
And they don't want to do it.
It's a stupid situation.
That was a very bad decision on Ukraine's part, in my view.
Well, then they took out the Nord Stream pipeline too.
I mean, that was just a calamity.
I know.
What mental idiot did that?
What mental idiot approved that kind of thing?
That's just stupid.
Victoria Newland and what is coming down to, yeah.
Well, I mean, does she care about human life?
And the fake Biden both said that it wouldn't be allowed to go forward, that Nord Stream would not be allowed to go forward.
So I think they had to provide what was necessary to take it out to the Ukrainians.
Yeah.
That that was a U.S. plot.
Yeah, yeah.
Very likely, I think.
But I mean, what happens is most of those people in positions like power don't seem to care about human life.
Yes.
I mean, certainly Putin doesn't.
I mean, but that's pretty much a given, I guess.
Actually, I get Putin far higher marks than I do Net Yanahu, for example.
Oh, yeah.
Well, yeah.
That's a that's a, I think more of a, that's more of a religious conflict and religious conflicts up down through history have really been the worst ones, I think.
Most brutal, I think.
Yes, yes, yes.
Do you know there's a law before the legislature in Ohio to penalize criticism of Israel or of Jews, 10 years sentence and a million dollar fine for having an opinion?
For having an opinion.
Ah, that means you can't think.
I know, it's just effing absurd.
Well, doesn't that mean no thinking aloud?
Of course.
Yeah.
When I was still on the faculty in Duluth, this is like 1990s, 2000, somewhere in there.
Political correctness.
I saw this political correctness was a censorship of thought.
I mean, it's just disgusting, Bill.
So, I mean, it was just, it was obvious from the beginning and, you know, it just carried it to a new extreme.
You're absolutely right.
Well, I mean, that's what I, that's what I thought saw us going to, too.
I mean, back when they started this stuff with the actually, Hayden published an internal memo about us, mainly me, I guess, and what I was doing with thin thread.
And he said, once the corporation decides on a position and the direction we're going, that's it.
There's no debate.
All opinions and views were considered beforehand.
And that was why he never considered anything.
He never heard of anything.
He just made a decision and said, that's it.
Well, one of my friends got a, I think I might have mentioned this to you before, but one of my friends got a, that's why you, how you focus in on only thinking in one, on one direction.
That leads to almost failure in every case.
Because absolutely.
If it's not in that direction, you can't find it.
You don't succeed, right?
Right.
So, but one of my friends found a got a quote from Ilya Vitch Lenin back in 1906 in a who is no mental slouch, by the way.
No, no, I mean, but you know, he orchestrated a revolution, you know, that takes some doing.
But he, in a speech, he said, once the party has made a decision, there will be no turn.
You know, opposition is considered before the decision is made, but once it's made, it's it.
You there will be no more discussion.
That's it.
Discussion and debate.
And that's exactly the same, almost exactly the same thing.
You just substitute corporation and party.
And that's exactly what Hayden said.
He didn't understand what he was saying.
Of course, he was a history major.
He should know that, right?
He ought to have known better.
I agree.
I agree.
Yeah.
He really ought to have known better.
Actually, he was out of his depth.
He was out of his, you know, he was managing a very technical organization and he didn't know how the hell to do it.
I'm afraid we get that arrangement all too often in the American government.
Well, I think it's true in just about any government that I've seen.
Yeah.
People are really over their heads in terms of what they're supposed to be doing.
They actually aren't competent.
Yeah.
It's a usually the people getting in those positions are ones who seek power at all costs.
You know, those are the people my wife has characterized as the as the evil ones in the capture of the organization.
But the sociology, as Catherine has explained, promotes them.
I mean, they are the ones who rise to control to implement their evil deeds.
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It's staggering.
And unfortunately, we human beings continue to do that down through history.
It doesn't seem to change.
Yes.
Well, I do think this, Bill, I think between now and Monday, Monday and the Jewish calendar is Purim.
And if you go back thousands of years, the legend has it that the queen revealed her identity to be Jewish to save the Jews from slaughter by the Persians.
So what could be the more perfect occasion for an attack on Iran than Purim?
So they got a swing attitudes.
This tells me they're going to have a false flag attack between now and Monday to justify.
And if we don't have missiles to use, we're going to have to resort to nukes.
So they're going to have to do something really dramatic, blame it on Iran, and insist they want the American people to rise up and demand we crush Iran.
Now, I don't think it's going to happen.
Well, with a false flag, you treat it as though it were real, legitimate, just as they did with October 7th and that time as your justification.
Well, I mean, I think what you're pointing out is a pretty much a semi-standard for projecting power down through history.
For example, when the Russians went into Afghanistan, I was predicting that two weeks in advance that they would pick Christmas Eve at about midnight because that's when we're all back home.
Everybody's out at home celebrating Christmas with the kids and all that stuff.
And so everybody's out to lunch, basically.
And that was two weeks away from Christmas.
So I predicted they would do it on Christmas Eve, and I missed it by one hour.
An hour before midnight, they went in.
That's a time zone difference, Bill.
Yeah, yeah.
You got it right.
10 hours difference, I think.
Yeah.
but i'm telling i think uh bb because of the perfect storm the genocide the charlie kirk shooting uh you know war in ukraine anti-semitic sentiment is growing in the sense that opposition to israel not real anti-semitism criticism of israel which they're calling anti-semitism I mean,
there are all kinds of reason for growing anti-Semitism when you expand the definition to include criticism of Israel because Israel is doing all these bad things.
And the American people are getting sick of it.
And they see it now, Bill.
That's the thing.
It's been true forever, but now the American people see it and they don't like it.
Yeah, it's just about, I think that they're also seeing what our government's been doing too.
We don't like that either.
Yeah, I agree.
I mean, well, you're in Catherine's assessment of Trump doing all these good things just fascinates me because I began such a strong believer and have become so disillusioned over his foreign policy and supporting the weapons to slaughter the Palestinians.
That's the president of the United States.
You know, and attacking Iran, the guy claiming to be the peace president and he's doing the opposite.
That has been very disillusioning for me.
Yeah, it's like at least he stopped paying for all the weapons going to Ukraine.
Yes.
Yes.
I mean, Biden sent him, what, $300 plus billion dollars worth of stuff?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Something like 38.
Yeah.
But then Biden, see, that was just an imposter bill.
Yeah.
Well, it was the Democratic organization that did it.
I figure he was just out there as somebody to stick up in front of people and say, this is our president.
But we're really doing everything in the background.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a whole organization behind him that was doing it.
And that is, most of them were Obama at Hangar.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It was Obama's third term.
So it was basically the Democratic Party and the Obama faction of the Democratic Party.
Yes.
He had a different shape and size of skull, Bill.
Yeah.
But what I'm getting at is that.
He had a different signature.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He wasn't even the same-handedness.
I mean, it's just ridiculous.
And his whole manner, the real Joe from Delaware was very articulate, very expressive, used his hands a lot.
This guy was a walking cadaver.
No affect whatsoever.
Yeah.
I was just a totally different person.
I don't doubt that there was something there.
Yep.
Four years of an imposter president.
Four years.
Yeah.
I always remember saying Nancy Pelosi saying very clearly when it was coming up to that election that she said almost absolutely concretely, Trump will not win that election.
Now, I think she knew something.
Oh, you mean 2020?
Yeah, of course.
Of course, of course.
I think she knew what was going on.
Oh, that was rigged so many ways, Bill.
It's disgusting.
I did so many shows and all the proofs, one after another.
You had Mike Lindell with his experts.
You had Ron Johnson with his experts.
You had Denise D'Souza in his 2,000 mules, and there were a hell of a lot more than 2,000.
I mean, it was just disgusting.
Well, you can also see the uniform changes in the voting over time.
If you watched it and plotted it, there was a uniform difference between them that flipped, you know, and you could see it.
I watched the whole bloody thing.
Yeah.
They just continue counting at like 3 a.m. and when they come back, there's been this huge jump.
Yeah.
You're kidding me.
You're kidding me.
I think we talked about this before, but you remember my comment was they overstuffed because they were stopping.
They get up to 81 million voters for Joe Biden.
And I think I told you, you know, the night the day before he and Kamala made a joint appearance in Phoenix and nobody turned out.
Nobody turned out to be C. Joe Biden and Kamala has nobody.
Well, now you know that election shows you exactly how to win, right?
Never come out of the basement, never go on to never do anything, never say anything, just put your name out there and say, I'll do good things, you know?
All the voting machines.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think the Democrats have even supported this.
They're not even supporting the SAFE Act.
You got to show you're a citizen to vote.
They sat on their butts for that one too, Bill.
And something like three-fourths of the Democrats agree with that.
It's unreal.
Unreal.
My old wife, we've had a party now the way.
Up until Trump came down the elevator, we were pretty much aligned politically, but not since.
And there have been moments of reconciliation or agreement about some specific point, but on the whole, no, no.
Well, I don't agree with the way some of the ways he puts things.
Like, you know, he overcommitted by saying helps on the way, stuff like that.
I don't believe in doing that kind of stuff, you know?
Yeah.
There's more tactful ways to manage that kind of relationship and world diplomacy, so to speak.
Yes, yes, yes.
Well, this kind of issue you could tidy up in five minutes.
I mean, it's marvelous.
You know, and then it gets dragged out.
I thought before his state of the union that the Democrats were just going to mop up the Republicans, but after that speech, I don't think so.
I think it's too close to call.
The Republicans have a fighting chance now.
And as you were saying, the Democrats were committing political suicide by sitting on their butts.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
And he did it a half a dozen times, Bill.
And he actually points.
And not only did he let them do it, but he pointed out that they were doing it.
I know it.
I know it.
That's like the old Sergeant Major's tactics, right?
Tell them what you're going to tell them.
Tell them and tell them what you told them.
That's right.
100%.
Yeah.
It was masterful.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's still obvious problems and he's got real health issues.
And I do believe that dementia is real and is not going away.
On the other hand, maybe a half of Trump, you know, Trump with a half a brain is doing us more good than most presidents with all their coffee.
You know, I just keep, I keep thinking back all the scenarios, all the crap that people conniving and what have you to get us into wars, like LBJ, what he did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Roosevelt did some stuff, some skull.
Yeah, sure, sure.
Oh, we do.
Pearl was and Wilson, Wilson, too.
I mean, you know, yeah, I mean, the big conflicts, you know, that's yes, world wars, yeah, absolutely.
I just think we're not setting a very good precedent for morality and freedom and what have you.
The light to our state having the high ground has gone away.
Oh, yeah.
The world no longer regards the United States as having any moral authority whatsoever, Bill.
Yeah, it's gone forever.
And I do like the emergence of BRICS.
Do you know this Trump peace board of peace thing where you got to have throwing a billion bucks?
He's got 60 member nations.
Are you kidding me?
And we've stopped funding the UN, you know, and the UN is now hurting badly financially.
Well, I think it should because they were also sponsors of this worldwide migration, you know, of immigrants all over the world back into our country here.
They're bringing people over and things like that through NGOs and various other organizations.
You know, I just don't, I don't think we should support that UN.
It's just too corrupted.
Well, I was overjoyed.
They're worse than our government, for God's sake.
I was overjoyed when he pulled us out of the World Health Organization.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That was a very bad.
Those people are, there's no, I don't have words for them, man.
Yeah.
Truly despicable.
Also, the people in the CDC and the NIH that also, you know, coordinated everything with them, they should be put somewhere where the sun don't shine.
I'm told they're getting this stuff into our food supply, Bill.
I've heard that too.
I don't, you know, and also they where I've heard there's some law or something were passed where they could hospitals could put stuff into your inoculations that they don't tell you what it is.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, I think any vaccine get now, like a flu, it's going to, it's going to be in there.
The COVID is going to be in there.
I'm holding it.
You know, are you aware of some of the connections they're making, you know, with these long tubular, tubular?
I've done show after show on this stuff.
It's all and that's showing a direct correlation with the COVID and MNRA vaccines and stuff like that.
Yeah.
Also, they got pericarditis or whatever it is, heart problems with it.
Yeah.
And those are definitely associated.
Well, what?
And affecting pregnancy and stuff like that?
Well, come on.
How many red flags do you have to have?
Bill, my projection is it's going to bring about a billion deaths worldwide.
Minimally, minimally a billion.
A billion.
Yeah.
You know, this guy broke, he was ahead of Pfizer.
He actually admitted at a World Economic Forum.
The plan was to eliminate 50% of the world population.
Yeah, my wife has told me about that.
That was also part of, I think, some corporation or something that was at the planning for CIA was planning for, you know, reduction in population of 70, 50 to 75% of the population.
And they broke it down country by country.
A pop of about 8 million, and you're going to drop 50%, 4 billion.
Yeah.
Well, they were talking about the United States going down to 100 million.
Oh, yeah.
No, no, no.
The projections.
Yeah, yeah.
The what's the name of the outfit?
The deagle, deagle, deagle.
Yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, that's right.
Deagle had us down to 65 million mid 2025.
65 mil.
Thank God it didn't happen.
Well, that was a plan for COVID, maybe, huh?
Yeah.
Well, I think so.
I think so.
You know, they may want these nukes, you know, round it out, you know.
In Ukraine, the Ukrainians have lost around 2 million of their troops and the Russians around 600,000, 700,000.
So, you know, that's been a very costly enterprise.
Bad, bad, bad, bad.
Conspiracy Theories Unveiled00:03:05
But yeah, all the weird stuff and the microorganisms that are self-assembling and all that in the bloodstream and everything.
It's horrific, Bill.
Yeah.
It's unbelievable what they find at the micro level here.
And I thought we'd, you know, outlawed any of that kind of biological investigation for criminal, for killing viruses and stuff like that.
I thought we had outlawed any of that attempted development.
And apparently DARPA has been deeply involved in all this.
Some say DARPA actually created the mRNA.
Well, I don't know.
They do a lot of that over the, what they do is they claim they do over-the-horizon research.
You know, if you, if you can't think of it, or if you think of it today, it's not far enough ahead for them.
Yeah.
So they probably started whatever investigation or investments they were making were made years ago in this area.
You know.
So this has been going on for quite some time.
And it's just the laws passing.
I guess if we pass that law, that's the reason NIH outsourced the funding to China because it's outside our jurisdiction.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
Fort Dietrich to Chapel Hill, eventually Wuhan drawn in, but really a subterfuge, I think.
It certainly had nothing to do with bats.
No.
How ridiculous.
And Fausti is still walking around safe and sound.
I can't believe it.
That's another question being raised.
Where are all the Epstein arrests and prosecutions?
You know, we're not seeing.
Well, it's not just that.
That's my problem with the FBI and DOJ.
What the hell are you doing?
Yeah.
Other countries, even including the UK, with Andrew being the most prominent, are at least taking some actions.
Yeah.
You know, Ghelane, they use a body double for her when she pled the fifth, not her.
They found her in Canada with her brother, Bill.
She was in Canada.
Same teeth, same nose, same eyes.
She's got a difference in her eyes.
It was the same person.
It was Ghelane with her brother in Canada.
And we got photographs of Jeffrey in Tel Aviv.
He's got a beard.
They did a slight job on his nose, but it's him.
There's no doubt about it.
And we had a prison guard, now deceased, who admitted his participation in springing him from the metropolitan jail.
So, you know, all this stuff that we, you're supposed to be a conspiracy theorist for thinking these things.
They're all true.
They're all true.
Well, if it, if it doesn't fit your agenda, it's a conspiracy theory.
There you go.
There you go.
Yeah.
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So I'm concerned about the future.
And I wonder your thoughts about to what degree are AI and robotics affecting this?
You know, if they're going to have all the routinized jobs replaced by robots, don't require human beings, how's a guy supposed to make a living?
Is that part of the population reduction?
We don't need workers, we're replacing with robots.
But robots have a limited lifespan.
You know, I think this whole robotic thing is in AI is going to peter out.
I don't think it's sustainable, my take.
But I'll tell you, I've had interaction with AI that is super good and far better at processing some types of tasks than I myself.
So they've aided me in performing these tasks more effectively than I could have ever done them myself.
I mean, I'm impressed by that.
Well, you see, that was my starting about 1985.
I got tired of doing jobs over and over again.
Yeah.
The same thing, basically.
Yeah.
So I said, well, gee, I mean, my background in math and computer science, I've got some of the, you know, I used to program in basically Fortran and assembler.
And, but from the from about early 70s on, I was, I focused more on analysis, ciphers, codes, data systems, things like that, you know.
But if you had that background with math and computer science, you could say, gee, I could lay out the logic for a program to do exactly what it just took me all morning to do.
Yes.
You know, and then I could start thinking about other things instead of doing that.
I did reliably again and again.
On a massive scale.
Yeah.
So that's what I started back in 1985.
Yeah.
You know, internally in the government.
And I got accused of trying to eliminate people's jobs.
You know, I wasn't trying to do that.
I'm trying to think.
Look, I'm taking those mundane crap that you know how to do and you do over and over again.
Same damn thing.
You don't learn anything.
I'm just going to say, I'm going to take that away from me and do it with software.
Now you can start to think about what it means.
But Bill, your old vice is now today's virtue.
They want to take away people's jobs.
I know.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, they're enthusiastic about it.
Unboundedly enthusiastic.
Yeah.
I think I was only about, you know, 40 years ahead of the curve.
Yeah, 40 years, which can be a death throw man.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, I certainly had the dents in to show it.
I was fired at from so many.
The problem was, you see, ASCII gets shot at so many times, another dent doesn't mean anything.
Yeah.
So you get accustomed to it.
But that's why I adopted the philosophy internally and never telling them what I was planning to do until I got it done.
Right, right.
That's wise.
That's very wise.
Otherwise, you know, they'll try to cut you off.
Yeah.
More than one occasion, more than one context.
Very ill-advised to acknowledge what you're really trying to do until you've actually done it.
And then you can talk about it.
Yeah.
Otherwise, all you do is run interference.
They're going to try to stop you in your tracks.
Yeah, yeah.
Any way they can.
I mean, otherwise, you have to say, well, when you get it done and it works, you have to say, well, at least the problems are done.
And I'm sorry, you know, or oops, you know, into, oh, look what I found, you know, or something like that.
Just some way of, you know, saying, well, I'm sorry about that.
Success is hard to come by, but, you know, hey, it works.
Well, what's your projection for the future, AI robotics and the like?
How far is it?
I personally see a lot of this as a scam.
It's a scam for an awful lot of money.
Because if you stop, just think about it.
If you know how to solve something or have an idea and can get close to it, you can iterate a process out very simply in a very small group.
You don't have to have a major program.
You have to just have smart people sitting down and working through it step at a time.
I mean, if you can, if I knew, for example, how to do 60% of a problem and I got that laid out in a point where it made it very efficient to up to that point, then once you're at that level, you can start to think about it and say, oh, I can see how I can go ahead in this area or that area, and that's going to improve the whole thing.
And we'll move a little further.
So it's like iteratively capturing the knowledge to succeed and moving forward iteratively.
You can't, I mean, that's the way we did Thin Thread and we solved the volume velocity variety problem in like three years.
Yeah.
We went from analog to digital in three years.
And I got a paper written about that.
I don't know if I sent it to you.
Diane Rourke wrote the paper, but it laid out the thin thread program and the revolutionary way we approached it.
I'd love to see it.
No, I'll send it to you.
Do that.
Do that.
Meanwhile, I'm terrified by the proliferation of these data processing centers all over the country and the resources they're consuming.
Water and electricity, it's devastating to the country.
Cumulatively, it can destroy America.
Yeah.
And here's the other problem I see in this stuff that's going on.
Nowhere have I ever seen any of them say, now here is the validation process of anything the system develops.
That is, if it develops knowledge and say it has it figures something out, assuming that they writes its own macros.
Okay, let's take the worst case.
This is what I call the worst case.
It develops its own macros and there's no validation process.
Yeah.
So what happens then if that thing makes a mistake that's going to ripple through all of the entire system?
Just for the audience who doesn't know, macros are programs.
So we got a program writing its own programs and not validating they never verify that in fact it does what it's supposed to do.
Yeah, and it does it effectively.
Yeah.
Right.
And so what happens then is it starts to make errors.
And when it makes errors, it makes them on a colossal scale.
Yes.
And so it only gets so much worse.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
So that's the problem I see.
And anything I've ever, that the outline that I did for a how you how you develop a flowchart to succeed in any analysis of an enterprise, you validate every process, every step of the way as you go along all the time.
All the time you're validating every process.
Because anytime if it starts to mess up, you know, you don't want that mess up getting back into the system, creating more mess ups, because then it only multiplies.
Yeah.
So it has to be a continuing process of validation as well as a upfront.
You know, don't bring anything it creates online until you validate it that it works properly.
Yeah, yeah.
Then yeah, I'm with you.
So, you got hundreds of counties all over the country having these data centers for millions of bucks and going way into the hole to pay for them, not realizing they're consuming vast amount of energy and immense quantities of water.
So, I think it's a road to catastrophe, and it's so tempting.
Yep, everyone thinks this is some kind of bonanza, but it's not.
As you said, everything is already there in the one center.
We don't need to replicate these centers all over the country.
What the hell is a benefit?
It's just consuming a thousand times more resources than need to be consumed.
Yeah, right, that's right.
That's the way I look at it too.
That's the scam, and it's huge, Bill.
Yep, it is a fashion.
Well, the community wants to have their own data center today.
They don't understand they're putting a gun to their head and pulling a trigger.
Well, I mean, it's like how do you keep interest in a field going?
What you do is create new terminology, and it's the new buzzword for the field.
Yeah, so and that keeps interesting.
Oh, this is new.
No, it's not the same damn thing before, like social networking.
Yeah, that's not new.
For God's sakes, the Pinkertons were using that back in the Civil War.
Yeah, signed a Confederate spy network inside Washington, D.C.
Yes, it was like who visits who, okay?
Well, that's social networking, that's what we call it today.
In World War I, it was called network reconstruction.
In World War II, I think they called it that same thing plus contact chaining, right?
That came in at a point, so it's the same damn word, same different words to get the new buzzword to sell shit, right?
To sell a program, to get us something going, you know, make money.
I don't know, but it's the same damn principle.
They said, Oh, the digital age, everything's new, it's different.
No, it isn't the same damn problem, Bill.
With the escalating national debt, it is overwhelming the resources of the country.
I mean, it's just reached a point where it's beyond you can't deal with it on the one hand.
And then the spending to create all these unnecessary data processing companies, programs, plans.
I foresee unmitigated disaster for the U.S.
Well, for example, I can tell you one thing: when I was before they attacked me, I was offered by the transition office in NSA $1.2 billion to upgrade, do what I could do to upgrade the entire world, you know, because moving into the digital age.
And Ed Lewis and I got together and we had some of our other people there, and we all sat down around a table and figured out: gee, we could upgrade everything in the United States and everything out there in the world on the NSA network, and we could do it for $300 million.
That's all we needed to do it.
Right.
So, but they at the first thing they asked for the Trailblazer program was $3.8 billion.
Yeah.
And it asked for more than that and became a funding program later on.
So Tom Drake thought it was double that.
So it was about 8 billion.
AOC.
Look at what they've spent on it since then.
Must be at least 10 billion a year of the opportunity to do this.
And it's been that way since 2001.
Right.
And it's all.
So 300 million.
Where is it?
Because it's utterly unnecessary.
Yeah, that's coming close to half a trillion dollars.
How much is that?
Yeah.
I mean, that's all in the debt.
All you had to do was spend 300 million.
Anything above that was debt.
Yeah.
Love it, Bill.
I don't.
I think our kids are going to pay for it.
What I mean is I love our conversations.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
I know, I know.
I know what you're saying.
Really, really rich and rewarding.
And it's a joy.
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