The Raw Deal (12 December 2025) with Co-Host, Paul from California
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NATO ally says Trump's U.S. poses a security threat.
Yes, believe it or not, Denmark has for the first time identified the United States as one of the security threats facing the country in an annual risk assessment published on Wednesday.
The report from the Danish Defense Intelligence Service revealed that the U.S. is now using its economic and technological strength as an instrument of power, including toward allies and partners, as though that were novel.
The report also concludes uncertainty over U.S. security role in Europe was likely to spur Russia to intensify its hybrid attacks against NATO members, which have already accused Moscow of repeated drone and aircraft breaches of its airspace.
There's something faintly absurd about all of this.
I'm joined, of course, by my co-host on Fridays, Paul from California.
And we will be joined subsequently by Art Olivier as our special featured guest.
Paul, is this about as ridiculous as it gets?
Paul, are you there?
The assessment follows a report by the Danish newspaper Politiken in November that the country's government has installed a night watch alert system to monitor whether Trump would make comments about Greenland.
That policy was prompted by Trump statements that he would not rule out military or economic coercion to gain control of the autonomous territory.
The Danish agency's conclusion was that there is uncertainty about the U.S. role as a guarantee, a guarantor of Europe's security, shows Copenhagen's concern shared among NATO members in Europe about Trump's commitment to the continent in the event of a future conflict as the alliance faces increasing threats from Russia.
Art, if that's you already there, you are welcome to come in as well, my friend.
thoughts let me just observe that there's something really faintly ridiculous about this complaint from denmark because russia's intervention in ukraine was only to protect the population of the dawn pass
which had come under artillery attacks in 2014 when Victoria Nulan, using 5 billion of American taxpayer dollars, engineered a coup there to overthrow the democratically elected but Russia-friendly president install Western public, of whom Zelensky is now the successor.
So Russia has shown no interest or ambition in taking territory from Europe.
Russia has sought to defend itself to protect the people of the Donpass.
And since there had been talk about Ukraine becoming a member of NATO, opposing that membership, all totally justifiable, all completely appropriate, all displaying responsible actions on behalf of the national security of Russia.
Meanwhile, here we have a piece on the role of Jewish elites and neocons in framing Vladimir Putin in political discourse by Jonas Alexis, who turns out to be very productive.
Vladimir Putin might reasonably take pride in his resilience, given that numerous neoconservative commentators, influential figures within the Jewish elite and media circles,
and a wide variety of anti-Putin outlets, particularly in the United States, have produced a litany of half-make literature portraying him in highly negative terms over the past decade.
These groups have released a multitude of publications depicting Putin as a latter-day Hitler.
Jonathan Katz, a senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund, director of democracy initiatives, has gone so far as to assert that Putin is this century's equivalent to Hitler and the threat he poses to Europe, the U.S. and global security, extend far beyond the current conflict in Ukraine.
This is quite a pile of horse maneuver, in my opinion.
Can you hear me now, Jim?
I can now, Paul.
Yeah.
Okay, I just had some trouble with the audio, but I'm here.
Thank you.
Excellent.
Excellent.
Kept further contends, like Hitler, Putin has amassed virtually unchallenged power within Russia, limiting political opposition and facing minimal institutional constraints on his regime or its deployment of military force and other hybrid instruments to brutally seize and illegally annex territory in neighboring states.
Putin disturbingly mirrors several of Hitler's characteristics.
Cold, calculating, displaying neither remorse nor regard for the sanctity of human life.
Well, I don't know about that.
Hang on, Paul.
In a similar vein, Rabbi Abraham Cooper stated that, tragically, what the world is witnessing today involves memories of the Nazi blitzkrieg.
To be clear, no one is accusing Vladimir Putin of preparing death camps and gas chambers, of which there were none, by the way, in World War II.
No gas chambers, zilts, zero, nada.
The brutality of the Russian military in invading a peaceful neighbor that includes indiscriminate targeting of civilians and decimating cities evokes memories of Nazi armies invading the USSR in 1941.
Paul, this is so ridiculous.
Your thoughts.
Well, you know, you and I and a lot of our listeners are at a very advanced stage of understanding.
And we can see, you know, right through this sort of thing.
A lot of people, of course, do not.
And I mean, just last night, you know, it's funny.
I was almost going to, you know, talk to you later and have you call my friend, but, you know, I was trying to convince my friend last night as we were watching videos that no, we really didn't land on the moon.
You know, he's watching something where some alleged, you know, supposed astronaut was talking about how he went there.
And I go, no, he never was there.
So you're saying he's lying.
Well, I guess so.
If he didn't go there, then he's lying.
But here's the thing: you know, people generally, it's unfortunate, but people generally believe the what I would call the consensus paradigm that they've been indoctrinated with in general.
Okay.
So even though I consider, for example, the moon landing, you know, it's a done deal.
I try to explain to him.
I've been knowing this since the 90s.
So, you know, this is like 30 years.
It's old hat to me, you know, but I was having to go over the basics with him.
And, you know, the same thing about World War II, right?
I don't know what the percentage of population actually truly understands, even just the proper timeline reference for that war and what the Germans did and why they felt they had to do it.
I mean, you know, if you tell the average person that the Germans were really not the aggressor, they're not going to believe you.
But like I've made clear so many times, England and France declared war on Germany first, and then England started landing an army in France.
You know, that's mobilizing.
That's an act of war.
And then, of course, Russia was massing troops and equipment and ammunition and fuel on the border of Western Europe.
You know, it was clear the Germans had intelligence and knew what was coming.
So they acted preemptively.
But that's not what they teach in the history books.
And you have today what you were just reading from this article where, you know, he's appealing to the brutality of the Nazis.
You know, that's all, you know, it's just like appeal to authority.
You know, appeal to the brutality of the Nazis is a go-to in their playbook.
I just find it so disgusting at this point in my life.
Yeah, yeah, it's a fallacy of popular sentiments, even if most people think so.
There you go.
That doesn't make it true.
Well put, the fallacy of popular sentiment.
I think that's the first time I've heard that.
Very good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Common in politics, but especially, you know, these appeals to the Holocaust.
There were no gas chambers.
There were no mass extinction events there.
Six million Jews did not die.
Nick Olston has published the most powerful refutation of the official Holocaust narrative in his book, Breaking the Spell, to which I was invited to write the introduction, which I published separately under the title, The Holocaust Narrative, Politics, Trump, Science.
And for those who want a deeper dig, go to my blog, jameshfetzer.org, and to the 65 shows.
And if you go down about, oh, I think about a third, maybe more, you'll find the official World War II narrative, historical factor mass illusion.
And I give you a very thorough detailed review of the evidence here showing these facilities were anything but death camps, that the International Committee of the Red Cross kept copious records of all the inmates in all the camps, their age, their sex, their ethnicity, their religion, their cause of death, recalibrating the total in 1993, 296,081,
none of whom died from being put to death in gas chambers.
They did use Zycon B, which is a mild form of cyanide, to kill body lice, which were spreading typhus and dysentery in the camps.
In others, to maintain the health of the inmates for the obvious reason you can't get work out of a corpse.
These were labor camps.
They were near military facilities.
One of the generals convinced Hitler the men would work harder if they could be rewarded by sex.
He installed a brothel there.
They had a woodworking shop, symphony hall, hospital with OBGYN facilities.
And yes, in case you didn't know, hundreds of children were born in these camps.
Unbelievable.
The bullshit we've been given, such that I declare, Paul, you've heard me say it on more than one occasion.
If you've done the research, then you're either a Holocaust denier or a big fat liar.
And it turns out, Paul, there are not a lot of big fat liars out there.
Well, that's a, you know, the key phrase you put is if you've done the research.
And I mean, even forget, you know, about the idea of somebody themselves researching, but just to listen to other people that have actually done the research or to read what other people who have researched have written or to watch.
I mean, nowadays, you know, most people could quite easily get up to speed by just watching the proper videos online.
But as you know, most people are not going to go down that road because they just mostly want to be entertained.
And so there you go.
By the way, I wonder if there's any data on men working harder because they're going to get sex at the end of the shift.
What about the data?
I mean, it's so obvious.
It's so obvious.
Here we go.
Yeah.
Here we got Tucker interviewing Francesca Albanese, pointing out that companies are profiting.
Listen to this.
They were sanctioned.
She's a good person.
As this economy turned genocidal during the two years of genocide, while many Israelis were losing their income, their businesses, their livelihood, the Israeli Stock Exchange has kept rocketing, increasing its value of 213%.
And after this, I get sanctioned by the United States.
I get sanctioned for my work, for my denouncing what the fact as I'm doing for the United Nations for free, because I am a UN expert, but I do that pro bono.
And yes, instead of focusing on the crimes that I denounce, the United States treat me as a criminal.
I mean, I'm a little confused.
I mean, I believe you, and I've read this, but I'm just confused by it.
So did you take up arms against anyone?
Did you help any armed terror group?
Like, what exactly was your crime?
It sounds like you were describing crimes.
Yeah, this is my only weapon.
It's a pen.
It's a pen.
This is what I do.
And yeah, apparently, it's apparently very dangerous.
But this is what I've done.
I mean, again, look, I've had very interesting discussions with U.S. officials and Congress people until this year.
But then what the United States couldn't process was me pointing the finger to the prophets.
So it's okay to accuse Israel of committing crimes.
No one cares, apparently, because this is what Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Palestinian Human Rights Organizations, and Israeli human rights organizations have accused Israel of.
But the moment I pointed to the fact that there are businesses who are profiting from it, yes, I got sanctioned.
Paul, comment, go ahead.
Well, I mean, you know, I don't know that what she's saying really needs any comment.
I mean, this is the way things are.
Okay.
The people in power and control don't like too much exposure.
You know, the you know, I mean, it's a very good person, the UN rapporteur for Palestine.
Israel's biggest contract, Jonathan Cook writes, hiding the true number it has killed in Gaza from the UNS Review.
The biggest contract Israel has made to pull off over the past two years is imposing entirely phony parameters on a debate in the West about the credibility of the death toll in Gaza, now officially standing just over 70,000.
It's not just that we have been endlessly bogged down in rows about whether Gaza's medical authorities can be trusted or how many of the dead are Abbas fighters.
Despite Israeli disinformation campaigns, the Israeli military itself believes more than 80% of the dead are civilian, more than 80% of the dead are civilians.
Or even that these debates always ignore the fact that early on, Israel wrecked Gaza's capacity to count its dead by destroying the enclaves, governmental offices, and its hospitals.
The 70,000 figure is likely to be a drastic underestimate.
I agree.
I agree.
I would say it's at least 350,000.
No, the bigger contract is that Israel successfully penned us all into a debate, one entirely divorced from reality that relates only to those killed directly by its bombs and gunfire.
The truth is that far, far larger numbers of people in Gaza have been actively killed by Israel, not through these direct means, but through what statisticians refer to as indirect methods.
These people were killed by Israel, destroying their homes, leaving them with no shelter, by Israel destroying their water and electricity supplies and their sanitation system, by Israel leveling their hospitals, by Israel starving them, by Israel creating the perfect conditions for disease to spread.
The list of ways Israel is killing people in Gaza goes on and on and on.
Imagine.
Yeah, go ahead, Paul.
So what would you base this claim?
I mean, that's what we could define as what you said, 350,000 as a claim.
Is that based upon anything?
Because that is a very, very high amount.
That is actually more than the U.S. servicemen lost in World War II in both theaters.
I believe it was under 300,000.
So many have died under the Robo.
I believe it's going to turn out to be in that category.
I mean, after all, they want to destroy them all.
They're taking a population of roughly 2 million and they're trying to kill every single one of them.
It's just outrageous.
I'm sure it's far too many.
It just sounds extremely 350,000 is a very, very high number.
I guess we could say we don't know.
I mean, hopefully it's not that high.
Oh, I believe it is, but sure, sure, sure.
Can I give you a mathematical proof?
No, I cannot.
It's a conjecture based on experience, understanding the circumstances here, and a conjecture that I regard as an educated guess, just as I project.
Minimally a billion are going to die from the COVID vaccine, minimally a billion worldwide.
It's just outrageous what's going on here.
So, you know.
Here's another story.
Typical.
I mean, you can multiply this 100fold.
Israeli forces executed two Palestinian brothers in Nablus without justification.
Of course, all these killings are without justification.
The Israeli army executed two Palestinian brothers in the city of Bablus, in the northern West Bank, without any justification.
In June, an investigation by the Israeli human rights group, B. Salem, has found Needle Amra, 40, and Galeda Abraham, 35, were shot dead by the Israeli army in the old city of Nablus on June 10th, allegedly for posing a threat to soldiers during a raid in the area.
Using extended video footage and eyewitness testimony, B.Salem said Wednesday, Israeli soldiers broke into numerous homes in the area and held dozens of residents for interrogation.
According to the group, Palestinian residents began leaving the neighborhood in the morning, seeking safety to the heavy presence of Israeli forces in fear for their lives amid recurring attacks on civilians during raids.
Around 10, no, 1 p.m. local time, medics arrived to help the Gutib family, one of the families attempting to flee in the presence of journalists documenting the events.
When the medics reached the edge of the neighborhood, Israeli soldiers detained four young men from the family in a nearby alley while the rest of the family members managed to leave.
The medicine jurors remained waiting at the street entrance at that moment.
Needle and his brother Khaled arrived to help another family trying to leave, according to B. Salem.
The rights group said Needle was an officer in the Palestinian Authority Security Forces, but he was not on duty and was unarmed.
The film, a video film by journalists, shows Needhall wearing a white shirt, slowly approaching his soldiers with his empty hands raised.
He stopped a few meters from soldiers, lifted his shirt at their request, as a soldier instructed him to remove his trousers, a request Needle refused at that moment.
As seen in the video, Needle took one step toward the soldiers and three of them bounced on him and began beating him.
Khaled, also in a white shirt, together with several medics standing at the street, tried to approach.
The video shows an Israeli soldier pointing his weapon at them, forcing the medics to step back slightly while Khalid continued forward with his hands stretched out.
As Salem said, six shots were then heard.
One bullet is seen striking the ground near Khaled's feet.
Another hits a wall next to the group.
Shrapnel injures a medic and a cameraman.
Several soldiers, meanwhile, continued beating Nadal as he struggled to protect himself.
Others drag Khalad into this same alley where the four young men from the Tulip family were being held in the alley.
They attempted to force Khaled to the ground while what appeared to be choking him.
Two shots are heard inside the alley.
Shortly after, soldiers dragged Nidal to the alley entrance as he resisted.
At that stage, heavy gunfire is heard inside the alley and dust rises.
This is just, I think, a very typical killing, Paul.
I don't think there's anything unusual about it, but it displays the absolute brutality of the idea.
And get this, get this.
Israel's Knesset approves legislation that legalizes execution of Palestinian abductees.
This is Paul Craig Roberts.
The first reading of the legislation passed by the Israeli legislator by a vote of 39 in favor and 16 against.
Two more readings are required before the measure becomes law.
The bill is sponsored by Israeli minister Ben Gerve, who leads the Jewish power party, which by all appearances is to the right of the Nazis in Germany in the 1930s.
The Israeli minister and other members wear a pin on their lapel in the form of a news to indicate their attitude toward Palestinians.
A bill sponsored by the Israeli minister for purpose of legitimizing the execution of Palestinian prisoners subject to torture and death in Israeli prison.
It legitimizes their past crimes as well as future ones.
We'll be right back with Paul from California and soon to be joined by that powerful capital.com.
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Let me just add a few words here.
Read a little more.
The bill legitimizes Israel's past crimes as well as its future ones.
Israeli doctors are prohibited by their union's ethical ban from assisting in the execution of prisoners.
Ben Ger says that despite the ban, he has received a hundred telephone calls from Israeli doctors volunteering to execute Palestinian prisoners.
Paul Craig Roberts asks, how is it possible for governments of the world to accept ambassadors from a state that is so brutally evil?
Will the government of the world ever tire of tolerating a government whose inhumanity of Palestinians and other Arabs rivals that of the Nazis, of whom Israelis bitterly complain?
That's really not fair to the Nazis.
Paul, they didn't do shit like this.
Your thoughts?
Well, just the notion that's really not fair to the Nazis.
This sounds funny, that combination of the words.
Yeah, I mean, I don't really pay much attention to stuff like this anyway, because as you know, very few, if any, governments abide by their own legislation.
You know, it's just, I don't even, I wouldn't even call it a formality.
It's just theater.
In other words, all the various laws that, you know, our government passes as a Congress and all the talk of the Constitution.
It's just not the way things work in the real world.
So, I mean, if they want to give themselves, you know, a rubber stamp, then, you know, I don't know what can be said about that.
I mean, anybody that really understands what's happening knows that it's illegitimate.
But unfortunately, military force rules the world.
People that have the means and the ability, the intent to be aggressive and pursue, you know, their goals.
And those who cannot really defend against that are going to be victims.
It's just, it's a sad reality, but it is what it is.
Here we go, anti-war.com.
New book.
Palantir helped Israel carry out a pager attack in Lebanon.
Nice.
Sure.
I wouldn't be surprised.
Yeah.
Technology developed by U.S. firm Palantir was deployed by the Israeli military during its attacks on Lebanon in 2024, including the infamous Pager attack, which Israel has nicknamed Operation Grim Bieper, playing on Grim Reaper.
The book, according to a new book, a biography of Palantir, co-founder and CEO Alex Carb, titled The Philosopher in the Valley, Alex Carp, Palantir, and the Rise of the Surveillance State, was written by Michael Steinberger, a contributor to the New York Times magazine.
Steinberger wrote that Palantir's technology was deployed by the Israelis during military operations in Lebanon in 2024 that decimated Hezbollah's top leadership.
It was also used in Operation Grim Bieper, in which hundreds of Hezbollah fighters were injured and maimed when their pagers in Walkie Talkies exploded, where the Israelis had booby-trapped the devices.
Yes.
Well, isn't it nice that Palantir is right in there aiding and abetting these savage monsters in committing their atrocities, in this case in Lebanon?
Paul, you know, Paul Craig Roberts has it right.
When is the world going to come to its senses?
I mean, Israel has to be stopped.
And I guess it isn't entirely obvious they're disregarding international law.
United States would easily be able to rein them in, but has no inclination.
And we're guilty as co-conspirators.
We're just as guilty of these atrocities as the Israelis who are committing them directly, but with our support without which they could not be conducted.
Well, I mean, Israel has to be stopped.
I would just say I would use the old phrase, good luck with that.
And of course, you already know, but it's worth repeating that Palantir is essentially funded by U.S. military intelligence and the CIA.
You know, all their contracts are with the military and with the intelligence agencies.
It's not the kind of company that goes out on the free market and sells their wares.
So, I mean, you know, you have to look at where these companies are coming from and who's the money behind them.
So, you know, again, this is probably a wake-up moment for a lot of Americans, but many of them already know that all these companies have received government or military money or the CIA's venture capital firm, NQTEL.
I mean, they're the ones that started Facebook and many of the other common, you know, social apps that everybody uses.
So we're living essentially in a military industrialized military surveillance world that is completely funded, not by private money, although there may be some of that involved, but essentially it's all taxpayer money.
We are funding what they're doing to us.
And of course, the beat goes on.
A thousand U.S. evangelical pastors take a propaganda tour of Israel.
Here's a report.
Most people suffering from tinnitus ignore it.
And by the time they realize what's happening, it's already changed.
If you're not treating the ringing in your ears, they'll return with testimonies of Israel's importance to America and the world.
Israel is a friend.
So by the way, they have no importance to America.
Israel is a cancer and a parasite sucking off of America.
They have no nothing.
Okay, here we go.
So a thousand evangelical ministers got invited to Israel and they went.
So over a thousand hand-picked Christian Zionist pastors are in Israel for special training focused on the battle of the truth, committed to defending Israel at any cost.
These pastors include prominent media figures and social media influencers, many with huge followings, and more than 200 have direct ties to the White House.
I wonder how many of them have direct ties to TPUSA.
The mission is to combat anti-Semitism.
No, the mission is to combat accurate criticism of Israel's genocide.
That's up top.
Committed to defending Israel at any cost, including the truth.
Including the truth.
Yes.
Where's to go, actually?
This is not a tour of Israel.
This is a high-level briefing to commission these evangelical pastors to be partners with the state of Israel to achieve its ultimate objective.
Makes you wonder which side of the battle of the truth they're actually on.
Do they have team jerseys that read truth and bullshit?
And once again, proving at the very top, they don't have any religion that you would remotely recognize, and they're just play acting for the saps.
So here, let's watch this.
The group began with prayer and worship on the ancient southern steps that led to the Temple Mount in Jesus' day.
Then they visited the Western Wall.
Some 16 million people pray at the Western Wall each year.
But this is the first time a group of this size has come to offer such a unique blessing and prayer.
Each person had a paper with the name of someone massacred on October 7th.
They put them in the cracks of the Western Wall and prayed for the victims' families.
The pastors met with Western Wall Rabbi Shmuel Rabanovich, who prayed Psalm 121, which proclaims God's protection over Israel.
Rabinovich later commended the group for their support.
They are a group that came to confirm the friendship between America and Israel, to confirm that this world is a world that the Holy One created for good, to reject evil, to be against those who want to do evil and not good.
Rabanovich told CBN News that Israel and the Jewish people cherish and appreciate the support from the U.S. government and the nation's Christians.
We want to say thank you to them for supporting us in so many ways.
It's a period when so many people want to hurt us and kill us on the seven fronts we're fighting, and America stands by our side.
These thousand leaders will bring our message of thank you to the American people.
People on the tour said they'll return with testimonies of Israel's importance to America and the world.
Israel is a friend.
So by the way, they have no importance to America.
Israel is a cancer and a parasite sucking off of America.
They have no nothing.
Okay, here we go.
...of America and our youth.
So I'm on fire to spread the good news about Israel.
Israel's God's place.
Jerusalem is God's place for God's people, and we need to support them.
We need to back them.
So this guy's from the National Faith Advisory Board.
So now you know what kind of creeps are on the National Faith Advisory Board.
They're all Kabbalah freaks.
They're all Kabbalah magic freaks.
They're all Satan.
There's nothing in Christianity.
First of all, the Western Wall, that's the temple that was destroyed by Rome that Christ said was going to be destroyed.
And he isn't saying, go cry about it, by the way.
He said it was going to happen.
I'm just saying, for a Christian, there is absolutely no legitimate reason for you to be there wailing at the wailing wall or sticking stuff in the crack.
That has nothing to do with that religion.
That is pure horseshit.
And the only people that make those connections, they're all, all of them.
They're all into Kabbalah, much like Trump is with the little red bracelet, and his daughter is, and his son-in-law.
That always creeps into it, that weird voodoo.
I don't know what in the hell it is, but they're not Christians.
That's just not a Christian thing.
So, what do Israelis and evangelical leaders have in common?
Duping their hypnotized followers.
Let's do more to this.
They need to know that the evangelical community is their best friend.
Why?
Hallelujah.
Julie Stahl, CBN News, The Western Wall, Jerusalem.
Because Israel doesn't even like Christians.
They spit on them and they kill them and blow them up.
Here, this is from ACNS News Service.
Christian leaders appeal for an end to the destruction of churches and the indigenous Christian presence in Gaza and occupied West Bank.
That's what Israel does to Christian churches and Christians in Gaza and West Bank.
We don't like those kind.
They're not connected to the moonies like the CBN and every one of them.
And Paul, of course, Christian Zionism is incoherent because Zionists want to kill all the Christians.
In other words, these are pastors who are coming to Israel to be supercharged to deceive their followers, their flock, their congregations, and play them for soccers and saps.
It's really disgusting.
Yeah, well, you know, when you said Zionist Christians don't know that they want to kill them, I would say, shh, don't tell them that.
Yeah, I think you played that video last week, if I'm not mistaken.
I know that, well, I don't know when, what day it was.
I believe I was on the show with you, though, but that video is quite familiar.
I believe you played it before.
Well, there's worthy of repetition.
Oh, go ahead.
No, you go ahead, Bob.
I was just going to say, most Christians that I've encountered and that I've listened to are they're not very smart.
You know, I would say vacuous is not too unkind to describe the average Christian zealot.
And certainly the Zionist Christians are in that category.
You know, Max Blumenthal had a report I played, I think, yesterday on the show where he was talking about CIA connections to the drug cartels.
And of course, it's obvious.
You know, you just stop and think about it.
It hits you like a silver bullet.
Because since Southeast Asia, since Vietnam, the CIA has been the biggest drug laundering, drug laundering and drug trafficking operation in the world.
So of course they're involved with the Mexican cartels.
Of course they're involved with a fan.
No wonder it's so damn hard to stop all this happy horse shit because the CIA is right in there running cover for them, Paul.
I have no doubt at all.
Well, they like money.
They like money and they need it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
CIA DEA officials indicted in cartel money scheme.
This is a report.
Shocking.
Yeah.
Shocking indeed.
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned or you're not all over this the oil tanker story where apparently now we're the United States is we're pirates, essentially.
Yeah.
Well, I reported it yesterday.
I had several stories about it yesterday.
Gotcha.
Here we, well, this is max.
Oh, here it is.
Here it is.
Here it is.
I'm standing here in Oakton, Virginia in front of what is said to be the house of Paul Campo, which was raided last Thursday by federal agents following an indictment from the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York.
Campo is alleged to have participated in a $12 million scheme to assist the Jalisco cartel of Mexico acquire fentanyl production capacity as well as weaponized drones, explosives.
And Campo happens to be the former Drug Enforcement Agency deputy director for finance.
So this is a pretty significant bust.
But even more significant is the fact that his partner in this alleged scheme, Robert Sensei, is a veteran CIA operative whose involvement in CIA schemes goes all the way back to Reagan's October surprise, who has participated in multi-million dollar frauds to allegedly, apparently, purchase military-grade helicopters for a certain Middle East country.
And so here we are in a white-collar suburb where high crimes are being carried out to assist drug cartels in Mexico.
And yet Donald Trump and his administration are killing people in speedboats all the way in Venezuela in a phony drug war while our chickens are coming home to roost with a CIA asset just last week shooting two National Guardsmen, a former CIA asset in a Afghan death squad supporting the United States.
It is a good question what actually happened there.
This guy who is supposed to be an Afghan.
I think it's just part of a number of false flags, Paul, you know, designed to demonize Muslims.
I mean, I think there's going to be a massive campaign that the Israelis have largely abandoned the project of getting America to love Israel again.
It ain't going to happen.
So we can hate them.
Go ahead.
I was going to say it's much easier to get us to hate somebody than to love them.
So, yeah.
And that's always a, how should I say, a heartwarming sight, you know, to see a SWAT team or military on your front lawn.
That's going to be a bad day.
Bad day for you when you take the curtains back and you notice there's military clad men in boots with weapons right outside your door.
It's like, oh, okay, nice.
And of course, the fact that the U.S. is blowing all these boats out of the water.
The boats wouldn't even have enough fuel to get to the United States.
The whole thing is just ridiculous.
You know what?
Yeah, what it reminds me of is it's very cartoonish to me.
I mean, I was watching just in between things last night, Fox News with my friend.
You know, he goes to Fox News occasionally.
He's a little bit dense.
I try to enlighten him without always pounding on the podium, if you will.
But yeah, so we watched a little bit of Sean Hannity and then we watched that other show where they got the four panelists.
I forget the guy's name, but it's just laughable.
I mean, it really is.
It's almost like, to my eye, it's kind of like a Batman Robin type of, you know, campy theater.
You know, the whole thing about Trump and conservatives and the libs, the libs and the Democrats.
And it's just, you know, it just reminds me of chaos and control.
And, you know, it makes me want to say something silly like, well, Jim, don't you understand?
Or tell that reporter, hey, don't you understand that we're fighting corruption?
You know, the United States is like Batman.
And, you know, Batman doesn't like corruption.
So we got to go into all these different countries and drop bombs and missiles because nothing fixes corruption like bombs and missiles, right?
I mean, what's going on with Venezuela?
Maduro, he's corrupt.
He's very corrupt.
Or he stole an election.
Well, you know, nothing fixes that like blowing boats up and stealing oil tankers, right?
It's just laughable.
And here we have the Trump admin issuing an ultimatum to the International Criminal Court.
I mean, talk about not respecting international law here.
They're going after the institutions that implement it.
The U.S. government has threatened the International Criminal Court with new sanctions unless it amends its foundation so it cannot investigate President Donald Trump and senior admin members.
Reuters reported Wednesday, citing an unnamed source.
The Trump admin is also demanding the ICC shelve investigation of Israeli politicians over the Gaza war, which had been recognized as a genocide by the United Nations scholars and historians.
The International Court of Justice, too, by the way, and then an investigation into potential war crimes conducted by U.S. troops in Afghanistan.
How bad is this, Paul?
If the ICC does not comply further sanction against its staff at the court itself, an unnamed Trump admin official told Reuters, the official declined to comment on whether the Trump admin is concerned it might be investigated for a series of aggressive, deadly strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean, which have killed at least 80 people.
The ICC, however, told Reuters they had not received any request to investigate U.S. strikes against Venezuela.
This is like a bunch of gangsters.
This is like a crime family trying to intimidate the judges so they won't be pursued through the legal process.
I mean, there's no difference, Paul, whatsoever.
Well, I don't know.
I don't know why they're pussyfooting around with sanctions.
If it was me, I would just do a drone strike on the International Criminal Court.
Get rid of them.
You know, one shot.
Do it preferably like a wedding party.
Wait till one of the International Criminal Court justices is attending a family wedding or something.
So this is Elon Carr, Israeli American Council CEO and former anti-Semitism czar saying they need to do here what they did there.
Two years ago, I mean, just go back two years ago.
Israel was on its knees and its existence was in doubt.
And the threats it faces.
When was that?
When was that?
When was Israel's existence in doubt?
It was billions of dollars and unlimited weapons support from the United States two years ago.
Now, you might, if you're not Jewish, you might not be aware of this.
This is very typical of Jewish framing.
It's all the Maccabees.
It's all standing against all odds.
And God, you know, even when they're secular, there's an underlying religious theme in the way that they see themselves.
Oh, yes, God rescued us at the last moment.
Face seems insurmountable.
If I had predicted to you then, any one of the miraculous things that have happened in the last two years, any one of them, pick one.
Lebanon, Syria, Hamas, the hostages, Iran, and the U.S. involvement, any one of those things, you would have said that the stress of the moment drove me to delusion.
He's talking about the fact that they went and bombed all of these places.
That's the miraculous thing.
This is the oil that burned for eight days.
It burned for eight days because we bombed it.
Yeah, that definitely did.
Bombs are blew a 10-year-old face off with a beeper bomb.
This is what he's talking about.
It's amazing.
It's miraculous.
It's amazing.
It's God.
It's God.
You could see the hand of God in this, not the hand of unlimited U.S. aid.
And they all happened in two years.
And so we are living in a time of miracles and unprecedented opportunities.
And the challenge for us here, and will this all end because this is key.
The challenge for us here.
Leverage Israel's successes.
Yes, he does into our successes and our victories here because we are one people.
Israel's weakness is ours and Israel's strength is ours.
And now that Israel has turned the entire geopolitical situation on its head, our job in the diaspora is to leverage those wins and win here.
Do to our enemies here, what Israel did to its enemies there.
And on that, the IAC is focused.
That's a good idea.
Thank you.
That's a good idea.
Okay, so what's a good idea?
This?
Yeah, is that do this to people here?
Is that what he's talking about?
How about this?
A terrifying CNN report reveals how Israel buried hundreds of starving Palestinians alive.
Is that what he means?
How about this?
I can't even read this.
This is from Caitlin Johnston.
At this point, you've had enough reports from a wide variety of former prisoners that I think we can say with some assurance these reports of them training dogs to assault prisoners, shall we say, for the algorithm, seems like that's fucking true.
Seems like that's true.
Look, you know, I'm an armchair historian.
I know a lot about the history of warfare.
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Well, of course, I was looking for Art Olivier.
Meanwhile, we got...
By the way.
Go ahead.
I was going to say, by the way, I remembered the name of that show I was trying to think of with Fox and the panel.
It's Gutfeld.
You know, you've seen that show.
Oh, great.
Yeah, yeah.
That's actually an enjoyable show because of their personalities.
Like I said, when you watch a lot of those Fox shows in general, it's very campy.
It just reminds me, like I said, of Batman.
Batman and Robin fighting, you know, the criminals in Gotham City.
It's like, you know.
United States is Batman and, of course, Israel is Robin.
How do you like that?
We're fighting the terrorists and the Islamic extremists all the time and the drug cartels, of course.
So that's why we have to, we got to bomb boats and steal oil tankers because, well, that's just what we do.
Yes, I was anticipating our meeting here now to discuss his new book, Sandy Hooked.
Oh, okay.
He's a JFK researcher, too, isn't he?
9-11 more so.
He has but as an alternative for the time being, here's an SGT report interviewing Patrick Byrne about Candace Owens' research into Candace and the threats she's been confronting.
Seemed to me to do a lot of good stuff.
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Her claim is correct.
I went back and checked on it with somebody.
Her claim's correct.
She doesn't give two fucking shits.
No one's out for her.
She's lying about all of this.
There is a belief in the United States government that France has signed off on a hit on her.
Well, the Zionist jackdogs are circling the wagons and doubling down on Candace Owens, trying to get her to shut up and destroy her forever.
And as Tim Poole makes up total outright lies regarding Candace, we've got confirmation from CIA affiliated Patrick Byrne confirming that the threats made by the Macrones against Candace's life are indeed real.
So be very careful who you follow these days, friends.
Many have bent the knee and many more seem willing to do so.
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As the world blows up, evidently over Candace's investigation of who really murdered Charlie Kirk.
How do we know who to trust, Patrick?
I guess that's the problem, isn't it?
People are saying, why have I brought this out?
It's our nation's going into an insurrection and people need to know the truth.
I've spent with increasing volume in the last five years, tried to come out and show people the truth or tell people the truth about certain things that were happening and under that I was pardoned.
And I to tell this story, I initially just tried to peel back a little bit of the curtain on my life and say, look, more like I'm just some businessman who stumbled into this situation and I can tell you all about the Russia set up and the Hillary Clinton investigation, blah, blah, blah.
Well, I wasn't getting there.
So two years ago or so, I wrote a book where I talked about my life a bit more and I acknowledge actually there really was a preceding relationship, but I downplayed it as much as I could.
It's actually now at the point where just the truth has to come out.
The truth has to come out because people aren't getting what.
And so I've gone full Monty.
I've given, I've teased, I've shown some thigh before, but now I've just gone full Monty.
I've opened the kimono.
So the truth is, yeah, I hate saying this.
I hate saying this.
I thought this was something that would not be for 50 years after I died.
It might come out.
Not that I'm ashamed of it by any means.
But no, I had this strange relation.
The big thing, though, is I really was told time and again, Patrick, your relationship is very non-standard with the government.
So people try to put it.
But yeah, the mother relationship was with the agency after 9-11, became with the agency.
And then I was loaned to different people for different tasks.
And eventually in 06.
Well, anyway, I've given you enough of an answer.
So there was a connection.
And that put me in the heart of, I was working directly for Brennan and Obama in 2015, 2016 and Comey.
And so I was right in the middle of the Russia hoax setup and the Hillary thing.
Well, I got to be honest with you.
That does scare me a little bit because, you know, around every Bush is a CIA agent.
I mean, that's what we're all led to believe.
I mean, the CIA controls all the narratives, the public narratives, and therefore nobody knows who to believe.
And I'm not saying that tongue-in-cheek.
I'm saying that the people actually believe the CIA is involved in so many different nefarious things.
Should I be afraid to have this call with you?
Let's know what the ground rules are when talking to a CIA-affiliated human being.
It's the first time I've done that.
It's been known to me.
I've broken all kinds of laws by coming out and doing that.
I'm what they would call a rogue asset.
Although I was about to explain over time, I sort of got moved up from them into, I became a tier one asset.
Then Obama made me a national intelligence asset.
So I was reporting right to him in the White House, right?
I was working right under his pen and did several things directly at his request.
So on the other hand, it means I know exactly what happened.
I've tried to tell people exactly what happened.
I've tried to, look, doesn't the Bible say ye shall know them by their works or by or something like that?
Look, what have I done in the last five years?
I've given away a massive fortune helping this grassroots movement stand up in order to fight back on the on the globalist coup, culminating in some events that have just started to leak into the press about what really happened in 2024 that kept the election from being stolen again.
So, you know, what does guy have?
What exactly does a guy have to do to prove himself?
If that's not it, but if you don't want to trust me, don't trust me.
My experience is people know the truth when they hear it.
Okay.
Well, no, that's entirely fair.
Now, the Obama connection, you know, it gives me pause because I'm going to just share with you what my philosophy or belief about Barack Obama has always been.
And you can tell me if I'm wrong, but his affiliation with Bill Ayres and essentially the Weather Underground have that kind of tutelage.
And this created human being, Barry Satoro, becomes president.
I've always sort of come to the conclusion that the CIA created Barry Sotoro, aka Barack Obama.
I think he may well be an asset of John Brennan.
John Brennan was, I think he may have been created by John Brennan.
Okay.
That's a good possibility of that.
Okay.
Well, let's talk further about this.
And I want to show everybody this because the hits just keep on coming.
Impeachment articles filed against Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
The quote is this: RFK Jr. has turned his back on science, insert laugh track here, and the safety of the American people.
Michiganders cannot take another day of his chaos.
End quote.
So I guess there is some element of the Demon Rat Party that just doesn't want our children to be healthy and they love the poison vaccines.
Do I have that right, Patrick?
What's your take on this?
Right.
They're all about narrative.
They're all about narrative.
They're also about corruption.
They're, you know, essentially almost all the Democrats and at least half or two-thirds the Republican are the same, the same group.
It's the same globalist group.
They wear different hats, different jerseys, but it's the same.
They don't care anything about our rights.
They don't care anything about our country.
They're staking out their positions in some new world order that's just going to be explained to the rest, pardon me, to the rest of you.
So anyway, that's, I think you're on the right track with the things you say, absolutely.
Are they dangerous things to say?
Because I'm really starting to sense a lot of danger in our republic at this point, given some of the incredibly powerful allegations Candace Owens has been making regarding her research investigation into the assassination of Charlie Kirk, including the alleged claim that the Macrones have taken out a hit on her life and transferred $1.5 million to do so.
She claims she has the receipts and forwarded that on to people in our government, and there's been zero public response.
There's been no denial of that allegation, and there's been no confirmation.
They've ignored it entirely.
And it's starting to get kind of scary here.
You know, other nation states taking out hits against popular podcasters.
I can tell you, I believe it's true.
I had somebody very hot.
Now, first of all, full disclosure: I happen to have met Candace Owens for the first time just three weeks ago.
And we spent a day, gosh, we just spent a day, her and her husband and I talking.
And she's, I always worry that I'm going to overwhelm someone and try to, she is overwhelming.
She is overwhelming.
She's great, but she's a real intellect.
And she can go from noon until midnight and barely catch a breath.
Are you, are you, are you, are you?
Um, I do think that she's, I did not tell her this, but at the time I met her, but it's that her claim is correct.
I went back and checked on it with somebody.
Her claim's correct.
There is a belief in the United States government that France has sent a sign off on a hit on her.
Okay, now that is explosive information, and she's been sharing explosive information about what she's been uncovering via the investigation of Charlie Kirk's assassination.
To her, it appears to be a multi-nation state operation.
She thought from day one it was a military op.
That was her gut instinct.
within a week after Charlie's death.
Candace.
I think she's got this one fundamentally wrong.
I mean, the research Vivian Lee has done that I've done, it all confirms it was a staged event, not a real assassination.
Charlie isn't actually dead.
He was a participant in faking his death.
So I am having a hard time reconciling that with my belief that Candace is sincere and a true seeker.
Your thoughts.
Well, not everybody, not jumps on the bandwagon of fakery and staged events as quickly as we do.
So, I mean, I've considered her for a while to be a limited hangout.
You know, she does and says a lot of, you know, appropriate things, correct things, and she is not shy about naming the usual suspects.
She doesn't do so as vociferously as I or you would, as an example, but she's aware of them and she even hints around the bush on many occasions as well.
So it's hard to know exactly how much she really does know and won't say.
I have a feeling that there's a substantial amount of information she probably would not bring out.
But again, that's all in keeping with my assessment as a limited hangout.
It's a place that you can go.
Like, for example, you can go and listen to Alex Jones and you're going to get some good stuff.
But in the end, you know, he's not really going to take you or lead you to exactly where the breadcrumbs will take you.
And similar with Candace.
I mean, it's not really that hard, in my opinion, to figure out this Charlie Kirk thing or to at least know it's full.
I mean, at least she knows it's full of anomalies and the official story is BS.
That's one thing.
But to go to the next level, which is fakery, that's another.
And I know you've had a hard time going to some places on other events as well.
Like I've told you many times when I sent you that link to the PDF about John Lennon.
You know, that's one of the strongest cases I've ever seen of a staged or fake event.
But you probably don't agree with that.
I think you said so.
So, you know, we all have to sort of pick and choose the things that we really embrace and believe in.
And either she's just not really there with Charlie Kirk or she has difficulty going there.
I don't know which it is.
Yes.
Let's listen to the final part of this interview here.
And if I can, I just want to play this clip for you briefly regarding one of her allegations regarding the French involvement in Charlie's assassination.
Listen to this.
And then I really.
He recognizes he's got a shooting star.
He's married to a shooting star.
There's no jealousy.
There's no that I saw.
He's very happy sort of being the setting within which she shines.
That was my impression of them for the day.
Okay.
Well, let me ask you one last question.
I worry about her safety.
Everybody following this story worries very much about her safety, especially given the fact that you've now confirmed that her claims about the assassination plot by the Macrones is real.
Where is the security?
Where is the Secret Service?
Where is our government coming out to defend this number one podcaster in the world who happens to be American?
Do you fear for her security, for her safety?
I do, given that, I do.
Although the government can do a lot of things without it being apparent, I don't want to say too much.
I've been in situations where I was warned about my security.
And I don't, I don't think I'm giving away anything too sensitive where I was told just living out in the country and we can keep track of anyone who's getting near you that gets within a mile of you is getting screened and run through filters based on phones and car license plates and stuff.
I was in a very remote place.
It could be that she's, I mean, it could be that she's getting some protection that she doesn't even know about, but that there could be all kinds of national counterterrorism folks studying any car, any license plate that gets within half a mile of her home.
Things like that could be going on, and we just wouldn't know it.
All right.
Fair enough.
Well, look, we have so much more to talk about, but I want to be, you know, I don't want to take too much of your time.
I want to be considerate.
Do you want to go another five or 10 minutes or should we wrap this up?
I did have some questions about what's really going on in Venezuela, what this war is about, but maybe that can be part two.
We can do that another time.
Let's go ahead.
Let's hit that for five or ten minutes.
Then I have seven minutes.
Then I've got to sign off.
Okay, you got it.
Okay, I appreciate that.
So, SmartMatic voting machines, Venezuela, Maduro, what is this really about?
What is truly going on here?
Because I want to note that you've got the receipts.
You know all about the corruption as the former CEO of Overstock.com and the shorting of your company.
And we just know there's malfeasance at every turn.
What is the malfeasance regarding Maduro, SmartMatic, and our stolen elections?
Is that why we're going into Venezuela?
Or is it because this guy's anti-Zionist, as some people are claiming, Maduro?
I can't speak for Donald Trump, but it has been thoroughly proven to the satisfaction of Uncle Sam over the last six months, five months, the following story.
Venezuela has the world's largest oil reserves.
A mafia government took it over 25 years ago.
And because their intent was to loot trillions of dollars out of their oil reserves that just put in their mafia, they nationalized the oil companies so they could do that.
And they also took over the election commission so they could never be voted out of office.
And they created a computerized election system that had back doors they could cheat.
That was commercialized.
The mafia commercialized that as a company called SmartMatic, which was sent to some Venezuelans were sent to Florida to start the company and boom, boom, boom.
And that technology is inside all the world's major election systems, whatever brand they have on them.
They really come from a factory in Taiwan called SmartMatic.
And there's one assembly line and the machines come off and they get a stamp, Dominion or Hard ESNS or SmartMatic, but it's really all SmartMatic.
And then components come out of Beijing, China.
So when you're voting on these systems, which 30% of American votes are cast on these systems, you are voting on motherboards that actually are out of secretly out of a diverted from a Beijing, a plant outside of Beijing.
There's another warehouse in Taiwan they get shipped to and create a phoning manifest to make it look like they come out of Taiwan.
They don't.
And then they get moved on to the smart manufacturing.
And you're voting on software that actually traces back to the Venezuelan mafia.
So 30% of Americans are voting on systems that are completely riggable.
And we know it because we got a bunch of people to defect.
And those people have been spending this year going in and teaching everything to the United States government.
And when the United States government got its jaw off the floor, they hemmed and hawed.
And by October, there was a U.S. United States Navy flotilla on its way to Venezuela.
So I think you can assume that these crazy stories you've heard about Venezuela and the election equipment are not made up.
I love that he's doing this and shutting off fentanyl and shutting off the cartel trafficking, you know, drug trafficking.
But ultimately, I think this is not a military force set up for interdiction of speedboats.
It's a military force set up.
It's really a black ops force.
They have the Marine Expeditionary Unit, and then they have a bunch of helicopters and black and like snatch and grab kind of guys.
And from what I've heard, my military friends who study the dispositions of what we have floating around in the Caribbean, this is largely a black ops type of military that's been, but I mean, it's 25% of the American firepower is floating off the coast of Venezuela.
I think it's going to be a very short war.
And I'm really anti-war.
And I know we all wanted Trump because we didn't want any more foreign wars.
There's no country in history.
This is more necessary than any war that we have fought since the revolution, other than maybe the Civil War.
This is far more important than World War I or World War II.
These people overthrew our country through fake elections, and they got their dope installed, who then, you know, opened the gates of the city for four years and let 20 million possible soldiers come up, come in.
This was an overthrow of the U.S. and it was supposed to be permanent.
We were never supposed to get out from under this and November 5th, 2024.
A lucky uppercut.
Well, we had Donald Trump who can connect with the people like no one I've ever seen.
And a lucky uppercut was thrown that you're going to be hearing about someday that disrupted their ability to rig it again.
And we're not going to get that chance again.
It's never going to happen again.
That uppercut is never coming back because now they know that we know where they're what to do.
So we're never going to get that chance again.
Trump has this term to fix it.
And myself, I don't think he's being muscular enough.
I think he's moving at about maybe half the pace.
But, you know, everybody's a critic.
Everyone's a critic.
I don't know all his constraints.
But this is more the most necessary war we have fought since the Civil War, in my view.
We have to get rid of the Maduro regime.
Okay.
I see why someone who's a fan of my radio shows wanted me to listen to this because he's contradicting basic claims I've made about what's going on here in Venezuela.
I think it's Zionist inspired that Maduro is supportive of the Palestinians, just as War on Iraq had a Zionist dimension because Saddam Hussein was supportive of the Palestinians.
I don't believe this about the smart matic, Paul.
Do you have a thought about it?
I mean, Venezuela manipulating our elections here in the U.S.
I don't believe that for a second.
I don't think that we're going to engage in the sort of conduct we're seeing just because they have anti-Zionist sentiments.
And we didn't go into Iraq for that main reason, in my opinion.
In other words, there's a number of reasons that were probably kept hidden from us, but certainly oil was one of them.
Just for the heck of it, because I've expressed on this show with you a couple of different times now that I don't fully understand what's going on in Venezuela, and I'd really like to know.
And so I watched a couple of videos yesterday.
As a matter of fact, one was pretty good.
About 25 minutes or so.
It was a British historian essentially giving us a timeline of, you know, at one point, one of the most prosperous nations in the hemisphere.
You know, at one point, Venezuela had the highest per capita income and standard of living.
And, you know, they were swimming in oil money.
And all the way back to even the Arab oil embargo and even before that.
And of course, the price of oil has fluctuated, gone up and down.
And there's been so-called economic crashes because the government has overextended itself with loans.
The IMF is putting a lot of pressure on Venezuela because for whatever reason, you know, they borrowed money.
You know, why they need to borrow money?
Because maybe it's because of corruption.
That was covered in the video.
The fact that the Venezuelan economy is very narrow.
In other words, they don't have much of a manufacturing base.
Their agricultural and agrarian base is not as robust as it should be.
So it's essentially more or less a very singular sort of economy based upon oil.
And at one point, they had a government or even two different regimes that thought that it was the right thing to do to share that wealth with the people.
And then, you know, as this guy just alluded to, the Mafia style government came in and no, no, no, enough of that.
We want it all.
And so maybe, you know, we have a gang of mafia bully criminals here running this show.
And maybe we don't want any competition and we don't like their getting a little uppity down there.
And so we're just going to go and show them who's boss.
And we're going to just do what we always do, which is drop bombs on you and take your shit.
I mean, when you take a look at what we've done going back to World War II and before World War II, right?
And, you know, whatever countries that we went to, you know, all the way back to what the United Fruit Company and, you know, the Philippines and Vietnam, you know, there was oil interest there in the Philippines in Vietnam.
So we basically just take people's shit and drop bombs on them.
That's what we do.
Hang on, Paul.
We'll be right back after this.
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Now we return you to your host, Paul, go right ahead.
Give us your thoughts about Venezuela.
What's really, you're just saying it, just a theft operation, just sort of business as usual.
Well, you know, again, I thought I fleshed out my sentiments pretty thoroughly, and that's really all I can claim they are is sentiments.
But, you know, obviously it has nothing to do with narco-traffickers, okay, as I'm sure you know.
Yes.
So we can only speculate as to what's really going on.
So, for example, you know, back when we took over briefly, you know, Panama and grabbed Noriega and brought him up here and put him on trail.
What was that about?
It certainly wasn't about he was a drug trafficker.
And the scuttlebutt back then, and this is the days really before the internet, so-called, it was, you know, the days of FM Radio and various researchers.
But the scuttlebutt was, is that the banks in Panama and Panama City held a lot of deposits of intelligence community, you know, drug-involved people, including many, you know, so-called, you know, CIA operatives and others, you know, drug people in general.
And a lot of that money was disappearing.
So we had to go down there and teach Noriega that you don't mess around with the money.
You remember the movie Blow with Johnny Depp?
Yeah, I don't remember the content particularly.
Remind us, Paul, tell us.
Well, it's a fairly good movie, and it stayed fairly true to the book.
Now, they retitled the book Blow because of the movie, I suppose, but the original book was titled How I Made $100 Million Dollars in Cocaine and Lost It All.
And it chronicles the true story of this guy, George Young, and his ventures.
He started out in marijuana and smuggling marijuana in from Mexico.
And then he bought a plane and was flying in larger quantities and then got his whole organization going.
And then cocaine came on the scene in the late 70s into the early 80s.
And he started flying in cocaine.
And he actually did some federal time in prison.
And he met Carlos Leder, who was an associate of Pablo Escobar in federal prison.
And they decided to team up.
And this guy that the book was about, how I made $100 million in cocaine and lost it all.
He ended up buying a used DC-10.
And he was flying in all kinds of Coke from down there to the U.S.
He was essentially working for the Medellin cartel.
And he became quite wealthy.
At one point, he had $50 million in a Panamanian bank.
And of course, back then, $50 million is a whole lot more than $50 million is now, for example.
You and I both, of course, have $52 million.
So we're doing well.
But the point being is that money disappeared.
And that was just him.
So we can only speculate as to, again, like I said, I heard this from back in the day listening to FM Radio, that that was the big, the main reason we went down and grabbed Noriega and took him out is because we either knew or suspected that he was behind the disappearance of money from Panamanian banks.
And he probably took the wrong person's money, I would imagine.
So I wouldn't be surprised if something similar is going on in Venezuela and or we just decided to clip the wings of the criminal cartel down there that's running the oil industry and running that country into the ground.
It's not a stretch to imagine we don't really give a damn about the average living standard of a Venezuelan.
So their government down there has not done them any favors by the policies they've pursued.
But we don't really go to countries to rescue the struggling working class or the middle class.
We go to other places to steal the wealth of the wealthy or to steal the wealth of government officials.
Yeah.
And that's just my speculation and opinion based upon swimming around in this world for 30 plus years like you have.
But Paul, we have a lot of oil right here in the U.S.
I know.
I know.
Isn't that the thing, right?
So it's kind of ludicrous, isn't it?
See, I've assumed that it was anticipatory of a hit on Iran by U.S. and Israel that's going to happen again.
And Iran's going to shut the straits of Hormuz.
It's cut down the oil supply worldwide by, I don't know, 10 or 12% to come and say, we want to use Venezuelan oil.
So it's really a backup on our part, but it's so grotesque and so brutal and so exploitative.
I mean, it is consistent with our past history.
I agree.
I just find it so repulsive.
Perhaps, perhaps there's an element of that there.
That's a little, for me, that's a little convoluted or complex for me.
I mean, I tend to be much more, I tend towards the brute explanation in general.
I don't think that there's a lot of complexity necessary to understand what's going on.
You know, similar to what I remember hearing a long time ago, way before I came upon you, that Lady Bird Johnson and proxy companies held the majority of stock in Bell Helicopter and other military contractors.
And that also there was some large American construction firms that wanted the contract to dredge the harbor in Vietnam and many other such things.
So basically, it's all about shoveling or shoving around on this board, this chessboard, if you will, big players with big money and seeing that they get satisfied that to use the old mafia term to wet their beak.
And in many cases, Also, too, it's put the tampered or to put the kibosh on up-and-comers.
Again, I go back to a quote that I heard from David Icke probably in the early 2000s when I started going to conspiracy conferences.
The very same conspiracy conference here in the Bay Area where I first encountered you and your work.
Well, probably I would say at least eight or nine years prior to that, David Icke was a speaker, and he talked about a CIA or former CIA operative that he met, had a conversation with, and that he said essentially this guy confirmed to David Icke that these intelligence agencies exist in the main to prevent too much development, too much knowledge, too much freedom,
because that all leads to abundance.
And when you have abundance, you lose control, and that scarcity is what gives or makes it easier to control governments, people, industries, etc.
And I found all that quite plausible when I heard it the first time.
And it reminds me again of a quote that I have repeated on your show before from that movie, There Will Be Blood, where the main character is confessing to a guy he thinks is his brother, saying, I have a competition in me.
I don't want other people to succeed.
And when I heard that, it just resonated with me.
And I really do think, in large measure, that's what's going on in the world: the maintenance of a system that perpetuates scarcity, perpetuates poverty amidst abundance, so that those in power and control can not just continue, but to actually increase their share and to strengthen their hand.
I think ultimately that is the best explanation for what we see all the time.
Well, you sound a little somber after that.
I'm just really repulsed by the role of America in the world today, Paul.
It's so divergent from American ideals.
You know, I understand the difference between the real and the ideal, you know, the normative and the descriptive, how things should be versus how things are.
I just find where America stands today to be appalling.
Yeah, it's contrary to all concepts of honor.
And in other words, what shocks you, just like shocks me and shocks everybody else, is the where's the fairness?
You know, I mean, you know, I grew up on American movies and TV the same way you did.
And you remember watching all the Westerns and, you know, you stand face to face with a man in the street and you both have an equal chance to draw.
You know, you don't shoot a man in the back, right?
You don't kick a man when he's down.
Well, guess what?
That's in the movies.
The reality is, they're going to wait till you sleep and then cut your throat.
That's the way the world is.
And I'm sorry to report that that's what I firmly believe.
But even the U.S., we're supposed to set an example among the nations of the world.
I know.
Allegedly, that's the story they want us to believe.
Yeah.
But, you know, I'm sure you're familiar with Smedley Butler's book, War is a Racket.
Of course.
And that was just, you know, he's, I mean, in many ways, he's sparing us a lot of the gory details, you know.
It was mostly just, it was mostly just political commentary, you know, on the way things work.
But a lot of the bloodiest and goriest detail was not included in those pages.
But essentially, that's if somebody powerful wants something, they can always hire it out.
And that's really what many ways a lot of government and government agencies exist for these days is to is to be either corrupted or hired out.
Yes.
Corrupted and our agencies.
I mean, when you go back to this Charlie Kirk thing, I mean, the role of the FBI, it's embarrassing.
I mean, they're not doing anything right unless you say making a whole mess of what ought to be, which reinforces, of course, my belief that they're not going to get a proper investigation because it would expose the fraud, that it was merely a stage event.
But that implies the FBI itself was in Hunt.
I mean, after Butler, you know, I'm convinced that was also a stage event, that Trump wasn't actually hitting the ear.
There's an awful lot of evidence, I think, to substantiate that this was done to give him a political moment.
You know, they even moved the photographers around to get him shaking his fist.
To give him a theater moment would be more appropriate.
And as I was discussing or attempting to enlighten my friend that I mentioned earlier in the show, the one that I occasionally go and watch movies or sporting events with.
And, you know, he's dubious about many of the things that I say.
I mean, sometimes he thinks I go too far.
Like, for example, when I suggested there was a fake Joe Biden or second Joe Biden, you know, he thinks that's too far.
You know, he finds my comments on the moon landing and some other things interesting.
But when I start talking about, well, there's a possible, you know, double for Trump and there certainly was more than one double for Hillary Clinton.
He just thinks that's wacky.
And, you know, so I don't really push it.
But you have to understand, you know, he's a normie and he's a dumb normie at that.
And, you know, but he's a likable guy, so I try not to go too hard on him.
But the way most people perceive the world is the way that they're supposed to perceive it or the way they've been propagandized to perceive it by all these agencies and essentially roving theater companies, if you will.
Because there was more than one video I watched, you know, back in the day, not at 153news.net was an excellent site source as well.
But even back in the day when YouTube, before YouTube got completely shut down and corrupted with their algorithms, there was many people with great conspiracy channels that would deconstruct a lot of these events and these fake shootings.
And they found essentially many of the same people appearing at all these different events the way that you did.
And the one guy put it best, he reached the conclusion that this is just a roving band of like a theater troop.
And they just went around for, you know, like a casting call.
So who's making the call and who's funding them?
Well, that's, you know, that's up for debate and speculation.
But the world that they construct is for a particular purpose and it's to manipulate our emotions, right?
To get us to feel certain things and to think certain things and not to perceive reality correctly.
And as you have repeated the quote over and over again, we'll know our disinformation campaign is a success when everything the American people believe is a lie.
It's false.
Yeah, I know.
Director CIA to the first meeting of the staff, and I know someone, Barbara Honecker, who was there to hear him say it.
Yeah, so there you go.
So how far off is that?
Or is it accurate?
And, you know, I happen to believe based upon your work.
Yeah.
Based upon your work and the work of many, many others, it's, as you would say, spot on.
Spot on indeed.
Outrageous.
Just outrageous.
Well, I was looking forward to having art on here.
He will be the first speaker this evening.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
On the false flags and conspiracies conference 2025.
He.
Well, I'll have to tune in.
Oh, yeah, Paul.
You want to get a free ticket?
You got to check that out.
So it's our Olivier at 6 p.m. Central, 6 p.m. Central.
Art Olivier, Sandy Hook, what really happened and why it's being covered up.
Then at 7, we have David Mantic, MDPHD, the leading expert on the medical evidence and the assassination of JFK, saying about his new book, JFK Was Killed by Consensus.
Then we have Larry Rivera, who has been doing cutting-edge research.
He has some very sophisticated modeling techniques, including a 3D blender that has enabled him to reconstruct Dealey Plaza and verify all kinds of shooting position trajectories and the like.
He's going to talk about the impact of AI on JFK research.
And then I'm going to try to put the pieces together to bring us to a consensus on the assassination.
In other words, David's saying it was done by consensus, but I'm going to see if I can find a consensus on how it was done.
And it's a bit more complex than what David is proposing.
But then he's done all this absolutely sensational work on the medical evidence.
At the very time he was doing that, I was trying to figure out how many shots had been fired, the location of the shooters and all that.
So I'm going to suggest, you know, between David's work, Larry's work, and mine, that we can put together a coherent overall account of what happened in Dealey Plaza that day.
That's this evening session.
Then Saturday, we have a whole lot of focus on Charlie Kirk.
There's going to be a lot of good stuff on Charlie Kirk, including invite Oli Daumegaard, one of the world's leading experts on false flags and stage attacks.
Monique Wilkins is going to be taking a look at Charlie and Erica from an actor's point of view.
John Hankey is going to talk about justice for Charlie Kirk.
Dave Hodges is going to be kicking off.
There are earlier sessions, of course, since it will all begin at 9 a.m.
By 6 p.m., we're going to have a news segment, you know, on a major segment on Charlie Kirk, just as on Sunday, we're going to have a whole lot on Israel and the, you know, the genocide and what happened there.
So, in a way, those are three central foci of the conference.
But you got to go to a free ticket.
It's effortless.
It takes about five seconds.
Yeah, Paul.
Okay.
Yeah, well, we'll do.
So, do you know what John Hankey means by justice for Charlie Kirk?
Does John Hankey believe that Charlie Kirk is actually dead?
Well, we had some preliminary conversations about it.
And I kind of got the impression he thinks that he may have actually been killed now.
Because I believe in freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and diverse points of view.
Sure.
You know, which argument has the better of it.
And whereas Sir Karl Popper advocated, our most reliable method for discovering the truth is free and open debate.
I'm glad to feature speakers whose views diverge from my own.
Ideco to my show on RBN saying that he thought I was like the only radio host out there who really allows everyone to say their own thing.
I was kind of surprised that my predecessor, Michael Rivero, whom I hold in high esteem, was very, very particular about, for example, the moon landing.
He wouldn't contemplate or consider divergent views about the moon landing, even though I'd say, my goodness, that's pretty cut and dry in my opinion.
Yeah, I didn't have any respect for that.
I heard Michael Roger many times.
He also was not, he didn't tolerate much talk or too much talk about the you-know-whos.
And, you know, again, I lost a lot of respect because, in my opinion, these are two of the most that these two topics or subjects, the moon landing and who's actually in control, they lend themselves to the breakdown and the scrutiny, which makes the conclusions obvious.
As much or much as more so.
I mean, right along the lines of, you know, Lee Harvey Oswald and the book depository, you know, I mean, it's, it's as easily swept aside as that, in my opinion.
Yeah.
But and people that still believe we landed on the moon to me, they just haven't done the work.
And or they haven't listened to the people who've done the work.
I tried to tell my friend last night because he's always asking me these why questions.
He's always, well, why do they do that?
Why would you got it?
You got to tell me why, and you got to give me a good explanation for it.
I go, no, I don't have to do that at all.
I just have to point out the anomalies, okay, the inconsistencies.
Yeah, I have to point out the flaws.
Yeah.
In other words, if fraud or fakery is obvious, then we have to dismiss the narrative.
In other words, not just one point, but like on the moon landing, it was 40 points.
Okay.
30, 40 points.
Yeah, you know, discrepancies.
Right.
I think I have 100 proofs, so we didn't go.
Yeah.
But people think like that.
And I've been hearing just probably like you have, I've been hearing why would they do that for 30 something years.
And my general response is, I'm not them, so I don't know.
We can only speculate on the motive, but we can look with a jaundiced eye or we can look with a very fine-tooth comb at the details of what they tell us.
All we can go by is what they tell us and what is the evidence for what they tell us.
In other words, a claim that's been made.
And does the evidence and the narrative actually back up the claim or does it not?
And this is the road that most people just won't go down.
Well, the politics are obvious.
The Soviet Union embarrassed the United States by Sputnik by launching the first satellite.
And it made it appear as though they were scientifically and technically ahead of the United States, which they were.
So the declaration of going to the moon was to show the U.S. really is the big gun in the science and technology.
And I think if JFK had known the facts about the impossibility of making the trip, he would never have made the proposal.
I think he was induced to do it.
No doubt CIA had a big role here.
I'm given to understand NASA is actually a branch of CIA, which is not surprising if you stop and think about it.
But faking going to the moon, I mean, that's just so awful that we should do that.
And sometimes when you just look at something with your eyes and you just sort of do, a lot of people don't seem to have what I call the spatial recognition or the geometric discernment necessary.
So I told my friend, I go, okay, look at the rover.
They're driving this rover around the moon.
It's like a big dune buggy, right?
Where did they put that?
In other words, I said, where did they put that on the limb?
He's like, I don't know.
I said, okay, well, they tell you that.
That's great.
That's great.
They tell you that the temperature on the moon was 250 degrees in the daylight in the bright sun.
I said, how did they keep the spacecraft cool?
In other words, you got a hunk of metal sitting on the moon in like a tin can, it's going to get hotter than hell in there.
How are the astronauts going to survive?
You can't tell me that their space suit kept them cool.
And on and on, I said, what about the oxygen tanks?
In other words, a scuba diver takes a big old tank on his back to go down underwater for like an hour.
Said these people had to live in space for three to four days.
How much oxygen would they have had to take up?
Because they can't breathe up in space.
And, you know, he's just like, I don't know.
I go, well, see, that's a perfect example.
All these little details, nobody knows, nobody can explain, but they don't ever think about it.
They just buy the, they buy the TV show that presented.
That's what they've been doing to us for a very long time.
They present us a TV show.
Oh, thank you.
You were excellent today.
I'm so glad to have you as co-host.
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Meanwhile, everyone, spend as much time with your family, your friends, the people you love and care about.
We do not know how much time we have left.
Use it wisely.
And although I'm an agnostic, I'm now disposed to say, God willing, we'll be back on Monday and do it all over again.