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Oct. 16, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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REAL DEAL SPECIAL (15 October 2025): Katherine Horton & Bill Binney WILD RIDE!
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Welcome to my continuing real deal special with Bill Benny and Catherine Horton under fire.
We've been talking about the Charlie Kirk event.
And I'm learning that someone I have held in high esteem, Larry Johnson continues to believe it was a real event.
I found that very disturbing.
Bill, did he have any more to say about it?
Uh no, not really.
I mean, uh, and you know, I I tend to agree with them because uh because of all the friends that you know, like Candace Owens said it, you know, it was true, it was true, so did Trump, so did you know uh any any number of Hannity, any number of other people who are real friends with him?
I mean, if any, if he's still alive, some of them should know that.
I mean, I wish that were true, okay.
But but you know, they all they all know it, they all know it.
And I would like it to be true, yeah.
Well, it is true.
Did you look at this stuff I sent you for crying out last year?
Yeah, yeah.
I thought I thought part of it, see, I have a little rule that says anytime there's any doctoring on any evidence, you can't trust any of it, and you have to prove every bit of it from other some other means.
Yes, and and that's what uh I saw their doctoring and playing around with this these videos.
Yeah.
Well, tell Larry have a bone to pick with him.
He's obviously not looking what I sent him because the blood was CGI'd in.
I mean, there's just there isn't any doubt about it.
But you know, just because they I mean, the they have put out undoubtedly tons of videos that are clearly doctors, but then how do we know what really genuinely happens?
You know, because uh one of the things that bothers me the most is that uh the FBI director Cash Patel is putting out this nonsense in addition to emphatic uh uh you know um statements about that it took exactly 33 hours to find the so-called shooter.
So making references to Masonic 33.
He puts you know, his his facial gestures when he's referring to my my friend Charlie Kirk, and then he you know, he does this emphatic tongue-in-cheek gesture, like he's not really his friend, and then he makes references to Valhalla, even though Charlie Kirk was the Christian icon number one.
So, you know, uh that that is what's really bothering me because that is not what the FBI is paid to do.
Not counting Butler and how they haven't done a damn thing about that investigating.
Yeah, the butler's my biggest bone to be.
Or any of the other stuff, the guy at the at the golf course, they didn't even they didn't follow up anywhere with that stuff yet.
Yeah, what's going on there?
Yeah, how he knew that's what would be interesting.
Um to to find out.
But uh by the way, uh Jim, did you see that Candace Owens' newest uh talks are all with her wearing a CIA baseball cap?
Nah, that's not good.
That's terrible.
Yeah, it's uh you know, I'm not making it up.
If you go to her uh YouTube channel, the newest uh video she's putting out, she's wearing this, and I'm what what's what's it with that?
You know, well, right now.
She's lost credibility with me as a truth teller because she's covering up on Charlie.
I mean, she was honest initially when she got the camera up on the back and there was no blood, and she said that that bothered her.
There was no blood.
But once she learned that it was all stage, she's just been covering up.
And uh for Larry Johnson to not look at what I said, Bill, that is really bad.
Really bad.
Because the blood was CGI'd in there.
It's obvious the wound moves around on the neck.
You got the letters jumping around on the shirt, the blood isn't soaking into the shirt.
It at one point comes back up instead of going back down.
If Larry Johnson can't see that CGI, he's got a problem.
Very disappointing to me because I've had a lot of confidence in him.
And this is this piss poor, piss poor.
I was telling you guys last time, uh, this is my thing.
And I bring together expert to put together, figure out what the hell's going on here, and I'm not happy about this.
Ridiculous.
Look at look how bad it is, Bill.
ABC ran a rehearsal, they didn't even know it.
This is uh crisis actors running away from the tent.
The tent is empty.
There's no Charlie, there's no AIDS, there's no nothing going on there.
This is a rehearsal video.
They ran it on ABC.
George Stepanopoulos on Good Morning America for Christ's sake.
And they didn't even know what they were showing.
How do you account for that?
How do you account for that?
Well, he he he's just uh a sensationalist who who will tell a story that uh tell the story that will be the the one that will uh get him attention.
That's all all he's doing is making up stuff.
I mean I don't I don't listen to them, I don't watch any of their programs.
I don't Stephanopoulus is stop a lot.
Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, this was a mistake.
Yeah, well, they ran the radio look at the look at the video.
Oh, I know.
If you remember, if you remember, Jim, when I you showed that to me last time on when we were talking last week, I said, Where are the people on the podium there?
Right, exactly.
Where are they?
That's the first thing I noticed.
Where are you?
But he didn't do that to get any clicks.
This was just a blunder.
ABC just mucked up.
And here's Candace, of course.
This is when Candace was sits here.
Catherine, go ahead, get in.
My question is because the the media, they're not blundering, they're putting stuff in on in on purpose.
Uh, you know, remember, I'm not sure if you remember the Charlie Hebdo uh shooting the the offices of the you know, Charlie Epton in France.
Yeah, that was also so much ludicrous nonsense, right?
And then the journalists said um they put the blood down on the street, they put the blood down.
That sentence was said by a journalist.
It was so obvious.
They are cut that I call it cartel.
And they shot the guy on the sidewalk and his head doesn't even move.
I mean, much less blow apart.
Yeah, you can see a plume of dust, uh, you know, uh, here's when Kansas was being sincere before she realized this was all the cover up for Charlie.
Here's here's just the beginning of the gushing out, but Bill, this is all CGI.
The wound moves around on his neck, the blood goes down, but then it comes back up.
It doesn't soak into his clothing.
I uh and it should be everywhere.
There should be blood everywhere.
This is a 30 out six.
That would have blown his neck apart.
Yeah, but you know, the the the thing is these videos I always find them from a third-party you know, video channels, some random video channels.
Where is something that's actually authorized and released from where's the where's the CCTV from the university?
Where's something solid from the FBI?
Back then in Butter, the body cam of the police officers was released officially, and uh Josh Hawley published it on his own website.
Where's the equivalent now?
What's where's the trusted stuff?
Because the things that even the FBI published, the guy running on the roof who happens to lose his shadow, and then it gets CGI'd once he's actually dropping down from the roof that keeps changing.
You know, it was just an original amateur out.
That that footage I don't believe was even filmed the same day.
Notice there's no people uh wandering everywhere, and yet they had a ton of people out there, and then people in the background disappear.
Yeah, right in the middle of it.
So I know the shadow disappears.
Yeah, of course it does.
People walking along in the background.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then he jumps down, and if he had a barrel in his in his in his trousers, it would have punctured his intestines and all this.
So the story changed that the uh the barrel was not down his trousers, he just threw it down with his jacket over.
It's but you know.
This is all indicative that it's phony.
If you have a real story, you don't have all these anomalies.
This thing is just bubbling over, they're everywhere.
Exactly.
Why would anyone why would anyone, much less Larry Johnson, think this was real?
Yeah.
So sort of you know, the real question is because there's so much more fakery.
There's for example, also the death, the death of uh the actress Anne Hesh, whose car it accelerated itself into a wall, and they conveniently had a photograph supposedly of her just before, but then the the helicopter footage that shows her supposed body being carried put into the ambulance to be taken away.
There's not a drop of blood, absolutely not messy, even though she should have been absolutely mangled.
And then, you know, the the woman who was on the on the uh dolly there, she she actually pushes the the blanket that's over her face down, and you can see she's still alive, completely unharmed.
So, what was that about?
My problem is that supposedly we got a new FBI director who's draining the swamp.
Well, this is this is the the this the swamp's Hollywood production, and Cash Patel is going along with it.
Yet the you know, the the butler shooting, which I still maintain was real.
The investigation is being shut down.
And um, another reason you said today that Eric Trump is is pissed about it Yeah, he's upset about the I heard him on Hannity today, he's upset about the uh the butler and the lack of investigation there.
Yeah, so you know, I I saw the announcement for it.
I saw the people in the crowd ducking too early.
Um I mean, there's so much they could be doing, you know, even illegally, which they do all the you know, that could be fixed by the things that we talked about earlier about how to fix the government, but you know, that's why that's why uh that's why uh uh Patel was in there testifying about the 270,000 Pfizer violations that they have if they implemented what what I had to say about it and how to do it, they couldn't possibly get any.
Yeah, it'd be impossible for them to get a violation.
And at the same time, they could be doing better work and they could be doing better work, getting a much more uh uh rich environment of uh data to analyze and work on and and figure out threats in in advance.
But but no, they don't want to do that, they want population control, and that means having data and evidence on everybody, yeah.
That's why they're doing all this stuff, and now they're just manipulating us with these kinds of things with videos and crap like that that are doctored and and like you say, clearly doctored.
Yeah, I mean, obviously, yeah they're fake.
Okay, that means there's nothing in there that you can trust, and there's nothing they tell you that you can trust.
So you hear even with Cash Patel in there, you can't trust him.
Well, you can trust that it's fabricated.
That tells you a whole thing full.
Yeah, how much of the making up pony to conceal a real shooting?
This is because the whole goddamn thing was fake from the beginning, they just did a bad job.
Yeah, so how how do we know?
I I still was there a real shooting and we never got real footage and we get doctored bullshit, or was the then of real shooting to start with?
I I don't understand why why they would have to even fake the shooting.
He could have stepped down, nobody would have assassinated him if he steps down.
Instead, we have this elaborate.
You can endlessly speculate about why they didn't do it a different way.
I tell you how they did do it.
Well, I got I got a friend in JFK research.
All he does is think about how he would have done it.
And if it didn't wasn't done that way, he won't accept it.
He won't even look at the evidence.
That's stupid.
Yeah.
My question is so if you want to it, if you want to fake Charlie Kirk's death, why do you publish the the rehearsal of people running away?
Why would you do it?
I'm telling you, you can't say that that wasn't on purpose.
Do you think because they do put up?
These are not rocket scientists, Catherine.
I agree on that.
I agree on that, uh, Jim.
The only thing is that during the the COVID scam, everywhere they have they were putting out what I call cartel signaling.
They were putting out a story that sells tells the truth to their insiders.
So they are broadcasting all the time.
And this to me looked like an intentional broadcast more than a genuine cock-up, you know.
I don't know.
It there's just so much.
Why does why does Cash Patel do the Valhalla shit?
The Masonic 33.
Why is he genuinely looking like the biggest dick out there right now?
You know, if he wants to just moron, I couldn't agree more.
Complete moron.
Yeah, it just I mean, more than that.
He looks he looks evil.
That's my problem.
So to me, he looks like genuinely a deep state agent.
And um did you want to share the one with Anderson?
Oh, by the way, just by the way, if you back up because it's close, you know, keep it close in time to what I just said.
I just sent you in the in the Zoom chat the link to the the YouTube shorts where you can see Candace Owens, a very I think that's her most or second most recent YouTube source.
And if you open it, you can see her parading in that CIA cap.
I'm not making it up.
And why would you why would you do it right now?
You know, why would you do such a thing if you were not working for the CIA and just gleefully revealing it to the world?
I see it.
Stop the bullet.
I got it here.
Okay.
And this is going to dispel a lot of theories are out there.
And I'm telling you this 100%.
Hang on a second.
Charlie Kirk was shot from the front.
And the bullet.
Charlie Kirk wasn't shot at all.
So you know, I I just alution.
So this this is.
Yeah, we just a moment.
He can't see it.
You have to bring it up.
I'm trying to get the date.
The date is October 9th.
So she published it on October 9th, six days ago.
This uh, you know.
I want to get uh uh see I want to get it up where we can all see it.
I'm all for it.
It's nice you said it.
Yeah.
Yes, I I agree with you, Jim, wholeheartedly that the CGI is completely fake.
The the one question I have is um you seem to run with the hypothesis that it was a benevolent staging of his death to to save his life because he was pissing up the wrong, you know, it Israel the wrong way.
Um has been my belief, but I'm skeptical because I know somebody on the inside who said their plane blew him out.
What what he was flown out on a plane.
Ah, also it was his plane that where the radar went off or a bit.
Yeah.
And this person, let's just say is on the inside, said they flew him out.
So if they flew him out, they didn't kill him.
In other words, it had it's more convoluted than I thought, but most certainly it was a fake shooting.
It's uh, you know.
Yeah, let me let me get let me.
I'm trying to get the uh the the candice and the in the CIA cap.
I mean, that's so outrageous.
And and this is not you know from five years ago as a gimmick.
This is this is from six days ago on the 9th of October.
Well, she's going on about Charlie Kirk's shooting, she was wearing a CIA cap.
I mean, that is just revolting.
It's it's a bit like you know, somebody gets murdered in in the gas chambers.
I let's not get into whether gas chambers or not, but just like as a historical analogy, some it's somebody who's Jewish gets murdered horrifically, and then you wear a swastika, you know, because the CIA is involved in in real murders.
So why would you, when you're talking about the murder of your support, supposedly murder of your supposed friend, wear a CIA cap, unless you want to signal that what she's saying is bullshit, that everything is bullshit, and you want to put off your viewers off your content for
good because let's continue on.
I think you can let it be a good one.
If you just click on the chat, the zoom chat, you can you can see it.
It should pop up in your browser.
Oh, because I sent it via the zoom chat.
Yeah, and here this is the wrong link.
Yeah, let me get it again.
Let me get it again.
If you stop the share and just um do a new share to wherever the link opens up when you click on it.
So just go to the zoom chat.
Click on the link I posted.
Sure, that's good.
That's very good, Catherine.
Very good.
Okay.
Now I do a new share where the link opens up.
And this is the here it is.
Here it is.
We're gonna have her.
Oh, an error occurred.
Just redo a refresh, just do a refresh, refresh the page.
Okay.
You can press control R and it's replay it refreshes it on in the case?
Well, I gotta I got a Mac, but it would be control R. Then it would be Apple R, I think Apple button and R, or something like that.
Uh no, it's actually right up here in the corner, I think in general.
Oh, it's next to the YouTube.
Uh to the right of the YouTube, you've got the little um curved um arrow, which refresh.
It's over to the to the right.
It's to the right.
That's yeah, just above.
Just above.
That's yeah, bit a bit higher, a bit higher, a bit higher.
It's on the next to the URL.
Yeah, but in the URL.
So go, yeah, that's the and go to the right.
There it is.
There it is.
You just had it.
That was the refresh button.
Over to the left, not the far right, it's just next to the URL.
There it is.
That's it.
Okay, yeah.
I can't see that.
Yeah, nice.
Wait a minute.
We should be able to fix that too.
Yeah, this for some reason they don't want to show it.
It's not typical because you have an excellent uh information.
There you go.
There you go.
Do you see Bill?
You see here the CIA cap question.
Okay, and this is going to dispel a lot of theories that are out there.
And I'm telling you this 100%.
Charlie Kirk was shot from the front.
And the bullet did not exit.
Uh, and at least a fragment of the bullet was recovered from his neck.
And I'm going to tell you exactly where it was recovered from.
I have fact checked this information from multiple sources now.
I've actually been sitting on this multiple sources.
Right around here.
So think about it.
Charlie was in line with his shoulder blade right in the center.
Now, why is that helpful?
Because it gives us a bullet trajectory.
Okay.
We went in here where you saw that, and it was stopped, and a fragment was pulled from think right.
If you're just touching your spine.
I'm seeing it, but you're not seeing it, right?
Shoulder blade.
That leads us, obviously, to the part that he's maybe not being forthcoming about.
Uh they did not recover a bullet.
Yeah.
You know, I believe it's a big thing.
Where is she coming up with this?
You know, that Charlie was a man of steel, and he stopped the bullet.
It was in his body, and you got the coroner saying, Yeah, they found the bullet wedge in his skeleton, and it was just a miracle.
A miracle.
Yeah, that's right.
Well, well, uh this is this is what this is what I got from Larry Johnson.
Larry said he thought it was a 222 or 223 that exploded once it entered his body.
And that's why they only found a fragment.
And those bullets do explode, by the way.
No, I'm telling you.
My problem is everybody has the assumptions, and these assumptions are based on footage they've seen that might be AI generated, and blah blah blah.
Look here, you see the lavalier mic moving across his body.
Here you see where's that footage from?
You know, here you see the ring.
Yeah, but Catherine, I understand.
You're worried about the provenance.
But I'm telling you, we work with what we got.
What we got is good enough to show the whole thing is a bloody effing mess.
It's just a total fabrication.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, something got overlaid.
And and then again, you know, is that genuine footage with overlaid um AR overlaid CGI bullshit?
Or is it you know complete bullshit?
Is it ah look?
I I am thinking if you just zoom out and just um look at the absolutely undeniable facts that you know your close friend, she's now talking about the shooting, and she's wearing a CIA cap.
Cash Patel is bullshitting all day long.
Yeah.
Um, and if we just focus on those things, which are verifiable and genuine, because yes, Cash Patel is lying his ass off at these press conferences.
Yes, he is cartel signaling, you know, Candace Owens is sitting there in a CIA cap.
This these are undeniable facts.
And then people started running and got run over.
My family, we had 16 of us there.
So five adults, and here's about the come and go.
And there's up here.
Here's the ring.
It's initially on his ring finger.
But look, when they show us later, it's moved to his little finger.
How is that possible?
Here we have a wonderful discussion of this.
Hello, everyone.
I'm Tracy Derwin, and I'm here with Shane Buell.
In today's video, we're gonna share our conclusion.
Hello, everyone.
I'm Tracy Derwin, and I'm here with Shane Buell.
In today's video, we're going to share our conclusion that I believe are either AI enhanced or completely faked altogether somehow.
All right, and this one is gonna be a little gory, so fast forward.
This is a blood, Larry Johnson.
I can't help but see it because it got pushed out to everyone.
So all right.
So one of the anomalies that we see here would be his lapel mic, looks like it travels up into his neck.
I don't know if this has been part of the alteration that's been done, but this video has absolutely been altered.
You can see the F disappears and it says read them, and then the F finally comes back right there, and then the blood that comes out, it looks like it starts to pour down his shirt, but then there are also angles where it looks like uh the shirt's almost waterproof, like the blood touches it and then bounces off, and then it stays white.
So to me, this could be either artificial intelligence and the movement of the bullet hole there.
Look at the wound doesn't exactly move perfectly with him.
It looks like it moves slightly more to the front, which is either a projection or AI enhancement some of some sort.
And to me, it just looks fake.
And we have a clip of someone that um knows how to do CGI.
Uh I'll play that right here.
So here's uh Ben Werman pointed this out.
Was it all faked?
Experienced video analysts have already come out and confirmed the original close-up of the neck is doctored.
What is weird is all the footage I have when I plug it into final cut and analyze it, there's always blurred pixelated areas around Charlie.
I don't want to sound crazy posting it, but I work on film and footage, and something's up with footage.
I screen grab in the first few hours, almost like the clips were doctored in some way.
So, as of right now, and this is a great video, full breakdown, and we'll go through many of these clips.
It seems that the most likely is the squib.
However, there does seem to be indications in some places that appears to be CGI overlays.
Yeah, I don't have any doubt it actually was CGI overlay.
The blood doesn't absorb into the fabric, it appears to be layered on top because it is layered on top.
There is very disturbing footage.
You got Erica allegedly at the casket, and she's uh you know, grieving over Charlie, but the hands, those are rubber hands.
That's that's not uh uh real that's not a real person, and not only is it not a real person, but you got the camera zooming in.
Another student, by the way, was very thorough and thoughtful.
He measured the distance of the knuckle and the casket video and cared up with actually with Charlie, and in the casket video at 68 millimeters is it, but in Charlie, it was only 59.7, even if it had been a real body, it wasn't Charlie's body, but I guarantee you it was not a real body.
Yeah, there's more, more, but I'll just tell you.
Um how do you calibrate that?
Did he compare it to her hands?
No, no, no, no, no.
Charlie's real hand and other photographs with a hand in the casket, and so do you do that?
She also knocked it.
It was between two knuckles, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, it was very calibrate the zoom level that you don't know.
Catherine, there's an hour long video going through this, how he did this measurement.
It was impeccable, and an effing hour to explain how he measured this little distance on the two hands.
Okay, there's no question about it.
I don't doubt it.
I appreciate your skepticism, all that about the provenance, but this is the material we have.
It is totally fake.
And for Larry Johnson to believe by believe the scene of blood.
That's just embarrassing.
Yeah, I know.
Here's the core thing that I have because just because all this fakery is being put out there.
How do I what I want to decide is is Charlie Kirk really dead or not?
And nobody has shown me concrete as evidence either way.
So I have nothing to go by because you can you can have a real shooting, take the footage that is real, and make his shirt go white.
Catherine, there's there's any blood anywhere.
The only blood there is that fake blood that was put in CGI that Larry Johnson thinks is real.
There should have been blood all over the tent.
There should have been blood on the floor.
The CGI even has a chair going through a table.
It was that amateurish.
They carry him out to the SUV.
There's no blood.
He's got brand new sneakers on, there's not a drop of blood.
The whole thing is totally fake.
Why anyone would believe this is real is beyond me.
No one who's got a good mind.
And if Larry Johnson believes that, I tell you, I am so disillusioned with that guy.
I mean, I'm steaming over this.
I sent him proof, and he just dismisses it just like this knucklehead in JFK research who thinks he can figure out how everything was done by the way he would have done it, and won't even look at evidence if it wasn't the way he thinks it was or should have been done.
I mean, it's just absurd.
Just absurd.
Bill, you tell Larry I'm really disillusioned with him.
That's it.
Tell him I tell him he has his head where the sun doesn't sign Jim Fetzer.
You tell him that.
I I'm curious.
This is a guy we look up to, we think is very good.
And he he is so effing arrogant that he thinks he he can't learn from anybody else.
Well, I'll tell you, I gotta beat his spades on this one.
He's gonna he look like an idiot.
Yeah.
Well, well, the thing, the one thing I question I have is so given that all this is fake, right?
What are we gonna conclude from this?
Well, where are we taking this?
Because that's that's what I want, you know.
I didn't know Charlie Kirk.
Well, my my issue was I really did want to whack him, and he was saying scaping, but now that I've heard that they actually flew him out that there was their plane, that gives a whole different dimension.
The problem is that if it was somehow supposed to benefit Israel, it's blown up in their face because it's been like the last straw.
Everyone is coming down on Israel like a ton of bricks.
That I've never seen such an explosion of criticism ever, ever, ever.
Even the genocide didn't bring this about.
But with this shooting, everyone believes Israel did it.
Nobody is prepared to say they didn't, except for those of us who understand the whole thing was stage, but then it is there is a new layer here of explanation.
Why would it be stage if Israel was in on it?
That that's the question I now have.
Because it this has the calamity for Israel.
I don't know.
I'm you gotta understand.
I'm going through hundreds of news stories every single fucking day, every single fucking day.
And I'm telling you, there's never been such a proliferation of criticism, condemnation, denial, despise of Israel.
It's never been so manifest.
It's irredeemable, it cannot be undone, it is irreversible.
And the Charlie Kirk was a fused.
So I'm not sure I'm fascinating.
So do you think do you think?
I mean, this is now you know, us hypothesizing, I'm aware of that, but I want to explore it because you know the motif and uh who benefits from it is directly important to the investigation of what actually going is going on.
So would people assume if if this was Charlie was being ferreted out and they assumed that the the Israelis would or Mossad had a hit out on him that they wanted to save his life.
So would would Trump sign off on this and say, okay, we're gonna save things.
we we have a difference about about Butler.
You think it's real.
I'm convinced it was fake.
You can look at his ears.
I got all kinds of photographs of his ears.
I'm gonna be doing one on Butler with the same guy, Christopher Key.
In fact, I think he just called me here to set it up about Butler.
That was also stage gathered.
And I know you believe it.
I've suggested this before.
You've resisted it.
And I I appreciate your sincerity.
Trump is an actor.
He knows how to do this.
He's done it before.
When he was down below, they gave him a little blood packet.
There's no blood on his shirt.
They moved the photographers over to get the money shot when he did his fist thing.
It was phony as hell.
And I'm not the only one who sorted this out.
So he was in a, I think he had helped Charlie do it.
I mean, he he knew what it was to fake a shooting.
That's my take.
Yeah.
And you can look at his ear.
There's no notch in his ear.
There's no damage to his ear.
It's impossible.
He was shot in the ear and the not be enduring damage.
I've got a dozen photographs of Trump's ear.
Yeah.
The thing is that you can be you can be damaged by the cavitation track of a bullet, and you can have your skin torn by that.
And that can, you know, look like you would hit it, it would feel like you were hitting it.
I I so admire your intelligence and ability to explain things.
I'm just telling you.
That's this was fake.
Yeah, but yes, but here's the thing.
Um, I I am totally open to the hypothesis, but the hypothesis doesn't fit the data I have.
I have an announcement three months and three days before, marking him with the ace of spades.
They wouldn't have done this if this was fake, you know.
They have everything set up on a few days, two or three days later, when you when Trump walked into the arena of the RNC convention, you can see his face, and he's on the on the verge of bursting into tears.
I've never seen Trump like that.
It's definitely not CGI.
He's got literally the kind of like uh hoof um outline.
So if you read microexpressions, there's a muscle that gets triggered with grief or when you're really touched and you're like holding back tears.
Trump is not that great an actor.
That was genuine.
Also, the other thing is would you would the Secret Service go along and say we are gonna stage this and we wanna look like the biggest, most incompetent tits ever.
And only five guys that run on the stage will be left unscathed, and the rest of us will look like total boobs.
We will get the most incompetent bitches from DHS, you know, Margie from from HR, who we know can't, you know, holster her gun for shit.
She will act so amazingly, she will look like she's about to throw up or burst into tears.
She will be that shit, and she will make us look all appalling, so that everybody will be demanding for the dismissal of you know Kim Cheetle.
But then again, nobody likes the bitch.
So hey, good riddance.
Is would you pull it off like that?
Would you really want to pull it off like that?
I mean, if they did, credit to them because those men are smarter than I ever gave them credit for.
And they did get rid of Kim Cheatle, and yes, she was a bitch.
Um, so you know, well done.
But it just doesn't fit.
It really doesn't fit at all.
Um, so look, I he could be hit by the bullet, he could have been hit by the cavitation track, you know, just the shockwave that follows a supersonic bullet.
If it whizzes past you close enough, it will tear your skin.
Was it just a skin tear from that and not a real bullet?
You know, that could be heck knows.
Um I don't know.
I've seen the image where you can actually see his ear close up, and that looks like it was it was nipped in two places, you know, in a in a horizontal line.
Um, was there not enough blood?
Well, there was some blood, you know.
I don't know.
But just uh take your own line against your argument, how we know the provenance of photographs.
It's easy to fake it and make an ear look like it's nicked.
It doesn't show it doesn't show any damage today.
It looks perfect, pristine, absolutely pristine.
Well, you know, at back in when I was in Oxford, my boyfriend at university went to one of these uh barbers that's in a place called Covid Garden in Oxford, right?
And uh one of these old-fashioned barbers, and the barber literally cut his ear with with scissors.
There was so much blood, it looked like a crime scene, but yet when it healed up, there was absolutely no trace of it, you know.
So I don't know.
I don't know.
Also, you can imagine that when it's the president, I think Obama played basketball and his face got you know punched or hit by and it was like one of these uh the skin was you know burst, and they they kind of fixed it.
When you have a president, the way you fix a small wound is with tissue glue such that it doesn't leave any scars, you know.
You can be sure that the the medics will try really hard to make it look perfect.
So I don't know.
It's like I understand your hypothesis, and heck, am I open to the possibility of it all being fake?
But with Butler, I just saw real life threats like I got them from the deep state myself, and those were serious.
Mine were followed up by you know real attempts on my life and your life.
Um that just looked real real to me.
But anyway, Butler is to one side, right?
Um the other thing about Butler is remember that interview with Brett Bear when uh Trump was in the middle Middle East the first time around, and Brett Bear said, you know, what happened to the the uh investigation, you know.
Should you, as the president not know more by now than we do?
And Trump does this thing where he goes, I know, I know, I know.
And he says, I know about eight times, which to me looked like he's really trying to, he's really upset, and it's kind of like uh a way you calm yourself down before you say the wrong thing live on camera, right?
You know, and that I thought that's the most pissed off I've I've seen Trump ever, ever, ever.
And I thought he should be because um I'm monitoring signals now, and they're announcing the next attempt on him, you know.
Um, it looks well, there were threats against other people, as far as I could tell, against his children, against him, against uh using the exact same code they used at Butler, you know, using the ace of space, using the Illuminati card game.
And I hope to hell I'm wrong about this, but that to me looked real.
The Charlie Kurt stuff is is a nightmare.
I just can't make the conclusions from it fit yet.
Like, what are we gonna conclude?
Did uh Trump sign off on this and they just save the life of a friend of theirs?
Could be, or did Charlie Kirk, you know, just I don't know, have a deal with the FBI because he's friends with Cash Patel or Dan Bon Gino, and then he just got this and they just you know fake your death, stage your fake death.
Um, for you if you're really friends with them, or did he really die?
And the real purpose is to have a bait and switch so that they put uh you know Erica Kirk in there who is fake as they come.
Oh my god.
Oh gosh, like the interesting- I do agree.
We do agree.
Well, that woman is a piece of work.
That is horrifying.
I kept my mouth shut really long because I don't want to wait into the religious argument as an atheist, and but I was already put off by the glances to the heavens and so on because as a European, you're like look, I think the whole stadium audience was CGI, they didn't fill that audience with all those people.
It was totally theatrical.
I think I think they did.
I think the American people was so gripped by these stories, they would travel, they would pay for paint a plane ticket and go there.
Just like they filled the uh the stadium for um the Trump rallies, and Trump was there.
God, I I believe that they could have filled it easily.
But the real problem is that they I don't believe a word this woman is saying.
I genuinely don't.
I you know, I usually I think the crowd is too small at Butler, and they don't scatter when they're gunshots, they ought to be running in every direction.
When Trump in his first he came down and butlered a helicopter in the evening, the hills were covered with 10,000 people.
It was the most moving sight I've ever seen in terms of politics.
Unbelievable.
The American people had so much belief in this guy.
But a butler, we had a minuscule crowd.
This is the same location as those hills were covered with 10,000.
I don't think there were a thousand people in Butler.
I mean, it was tiny.
And And PK, this is from Australia, was zooming in on the crowd.
And you had women there were fixated on their cell phones, which were telling them what to do.
They weren't affected at all when the shooting took place.
They were focusing on what they were supposed to do.
Wait, hang on, hang on.
Sorry, I'm trying to catch up because this is important.
So that the that when he came down in the helicopter, what what was that?
It was in Butler, it was in Butler, Pennsylvania.
This is his first campaigning before he got elected the first time.
Ah, okay, okay.
With Americans who believed in this guy.
It was the most damn moving site I've ever seen in politics.
I mean, it's right up there with John John saluting his father at the Kennedy funeral procession.
It was just unbelievable.
And this is Butler again, same place, but you had a minuscule crowd.
It was the controller.
They don't scatter when the shots are fired.
Look what happened even when they do the rehearsal ver video.
You got everyone running everywhere.
What didn't happen at Butler when they had that shooting there?
That's very odd to me.
I think they were all crisis actors, all of them.
But but then you would make crisis actors scatter, as you just said.
Here's the thing about Butler.
Charlie Kirk of the Crisis Actors scattering.
That's how they trade.
Exactly.
My point.
So my point is that if Butler had been staged, you wouldn't have made the crowd scatter.
I had a I had a very, I mean, I intuitively understand why why the scout uh this crowd didn't scatter.
If you and I had been there, neither you nor I would have moved.
And that's because psychologically, there's one time when you don't run away if somebody gets shot next to you.
And that's because that's if if it's a family member.
If your sister gets shot, you don't run away and leave her, or your daughter, or your your, you know, your wife.
I mean, maybe with the wife, your mother-in-law, you're like, yeah, yeah, that's like it, you know.
But um, really, and I think to me that don't do that.
You don't, you know, it's your mother-in-law, my mother-in-law safe for me.
Yeah, but um, you know, the the the thing is, it's I think to them it Trump is like family to his fans.
I would not have moved.
They could there could have been a volume of shots.
I would have been just frozen with oh my god, is Trump okay?
You just don't, and that's what I very much felt.
That's the key.
That's what made it so real.
It's like, yes, to them.
He has family, he's a family member.
They respect him, they look up to him.
He is their hope.
And uh they were just on the on the edge of their seat trying to find out what actually happened, you know.
That's the thing.
Like Butler was so fucked up, it looked real, you know.
It was it was it was really bad in the the stuff that would have made could have made the Secret Service look amazing.
Like you could put on a Hollywood production, make them look really good, but instead they look like awful apart from the guys on the stage.
They don't really, you know, they look like you've seen the security perimeter, which has a big notch in it for the building where the sniper was supposed to be.
How absurd is that?
And it was far too limited.
It was only a couple of hundred yards max.
I mean, there were major buildings that should have been encompassed.
It was a farce, it was a farce security at Butler was a farce.
Yes, and I I completely agree.
But I from what I understand, the security at Butler was run by the Philadelphia office.
That's it.
So there's a big deep state pot and then the Secret Service in the Philadelphia office.
That's that's my real worry, you know.
Show in Pittsburgh.
Oh, maybe yes, I mean Pittsburgh, yes.
Yes, sorry.
I mean, probably basically look, my geography.
It's just south at Butler.
Yes, that's the one.
That's the one I meant, Pittsburgh, the Pittsburgh office.
Yes, I think that's the one I mean.
Yeah, yeah.
So whoever, because they um, I think it was Susan Crabtree who went through and actually excavated who was really in charge, who had to sign up um often it would make sense.
It would be the field office in Pennsylvania is in charge of the stuff that happens in Pennsylvania.
You need local knowledge.
So even if you have Trump's protective detail, you know, running over the security plans, it's really just so that they can navigate it on the day.
You have To trust your colleagues.
I mean, maybe they won't do it ever again.
But really, it's the people with the ground knowledge that have to be there on the day that have really have to look up because also his security team that was with him on some days, they would go to three locations in two or three US different US states, you know.
So they were just switching sites all the time.
They were going through security plans, going like, yeah, that looks good.
That looks good.
You can you can pass off something when somebody's really, you know, they didn't sleep very much, they're overworked, they don't have enough manpower.
You can really, you know, slip it past and make it look great.
And then on the day, there's this huge security hole.
You know, heck knows what they were actually shown um on the day when these guys signed off.
So as far as Butler's concerned, my takeaway message was the only people I would ever, ever, ever trust in the Secret Service are those four guys and the woman who ran up to the stage.
Yeah, she they look legit.
Everybody else is potentially one real mean motherfucker who was trying to kill the president.
Everybody was involved.
And I'm telling you, we got footage where Secret Service agent rushes over to get the two photographers in place and take the money shot, Catherine.
I see, I didn't see that.
I saw Secret Service push people to one side to get it.
We got him going to get the photographers and bring him over to take the photo with a fist and all that.
Well, well, here's the thing.
I would want to know who that Secret Service guy is.
And remember, the media was there.
I think CNN was live uh broadcasting that one as the only one that they actually broadcast live, people said, you know.
So um, oh, another thing that looked genuine.
If you look at the footage from, I think it was the RBN network, whatever they are called, RSBN, they they had the camera running long after the footage, and they were just whether the media team was.
And the people who were leaving Butler after all this went down, who were genuinely just leaving to go back to their car.
The people who walk past the media team called them assholes.
Like there you go, assholes.
You got what you want now, didn't you?
These people were livid.
That was genuine I mean, everybody who walked past there cursed at the at the mainstream media, and those people look genuine.
I mean, I can show you a footage, it's just like half an hour of people calling every single cuss word, you know, in the I like that.
Yeah, and that's why I thought shit.
That's persuasive about at least some in the crowd being real.
But then a lot of the crowd at Utah Valley were real too.
It was only about one-third were crisis actors.
Yeah, and and what I really really wanted to do is is map who is who.
Because I mean, I have the footage of those people ducking too early.
That's another thing you wouldn't do if the if the shooting is is staged.
You wouldn't duck too early.
You would know it's all under control, you know.
But if it's a real shooting, attempted shooting of somebody, and in the back of your mind, you don't really trust the snipers, or you maybe you think, hey, I'm a I'm I'm in on it.
Maybe they want to get rid of a witness or two, you know.
Um I would I would duck.
I don't know.
But anyway, the the point is it's not even the most important thing, is not even one particular event.
It's the data set overall.
It's like, what does it mean long term?
You know, will there be another attempt against Trump?
If it was staged, there wouldn't be if it, you know, if sorry, if it was staged, there wouldn't be if it wasn't staged, yes, these people would try to kill him again.
Then the other thing is that open kill order by James Comey, the seashells, that's still active.
That looked very real, you know.
That was that's exactly how they would deliver the death threat, you know.
And that one's still active.
So that one I missed, Catherine.
What what are you mentioning there with Comey?
They're oh, the seashells, the 8647 put out in seashells.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That is as kooky and as fast as crazy as that looks.
That's real.
That that is dead serious, you know.
And um also the way the the number eight was highlighted.
So um, I worry.
Yeah, I'm on the air.
Go go ahead.
Go ahead.
Yeah, go ahead.
I'm sorry.
That's what I really worry about.
Because, you know, um, if Charlie Kirk is dead, there's nothing we can do.
If Charlie Kirk is alive, great.
Uh, it's a pity.
Well, the kids.
I don't know.
I mean, that the these phony of that just drive me up the wall.
Yeah, but well, it look, where's he buried?
This is that death certificate.
Is there a grave?
Is there C C on the CD?
You gotta look at these little A fellow named David Weiss has done a three minute and a six minute on uh Charlie Kirk that'll just they're hilarious because it's so obvious, but not to everyone, not to everyone, and if you haven't seen it yet.
If if he's alive, okay.
One question I have is wouldn't you want to be there for your kids when they grow up?
Or are the kids not even his?
I think the kids are fake, actually.
All the photographs are facing away.
You never see the face of the kids or no birth certificates or no photographs of him with his kids.
There's no photographs of his wife being pregnant.
The whole damn thing looks like it was a charade, very elaborate charade.
Like Obama's having kids, you know, two guys can't have any children, and we know who left them their children because the older looks just like her dad and the younger just like her mom.
But I mean, how bad is that?
Yeah, I saw that there are precedents for all of this, but then I just really would want.
I I think what what what then we should focus on and MAGA and the Patriots is this is not what we pay the FBI for.
Right?
In fact, this is this is freaking not you know FBI's a joke.
Cash Mattel looks like an idiot throughout all of this, looks like a complete moron.
Yeah, I think it's less than a moron.
He looks like pure fucking evil.
Because meanwhile, the targeting program that we're in continues.
The drone has been gunning the house the whole day.
I got a couple of shots into my skull.
You're being tortured right now.
I can see you move your leg, right?
Bill doesn't like to admit it, especially not on camera, but he's an agonizing pain.
So real stuff is happening.
And the FBI is is I would never advise a victim to hand their cases in to the FBI now under Cash Pat.
I still trust Bon Gino, especially because he walked out on them.
But you know, I want to see who by the way, could you send me the stuff you had on Bon Gino?
You said you he was involved in Sandy Hook somehow.
Well, I can send you my lawsuits uh with uh was quite an outline.
There's more, there's more about Bon Gino than also I'll send you the shoes.
Yeah, it would be super important because one of the things, sorry to interrupt, you'll let you speak.
It's like I just need to have somebody to to send targeting cases to.
We need to process these targeting cases.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, and definitely things.
I just love doing these conversations, even we get when we get in a serious argument about something important.
I'll just say something important.
And meanwhile, Bill will convey my regards to Larry.
Yeah, I will.
Uh, but uh can I just mention one thing that concerned me about what Cash always testifying to in Congress?
Yeah, I think I remember him saying, uh I I'm not dreaming this, but uh I think he said, well, they they were talking about 9-11 and you know the failures and all that, and he said, Well, we we we didn't really know the uh the terrorist network back then.
That's not true.
We knew the whole damn thing worldwide, yeah.
Because we had uh bin Laden's in Marsat number, and we watched him call everybody in his connections, and we watched everybody they called, and we got them all.
Yeah.
That's why the CIA put up a program to take them out right after that.
And that's why we've been saying that.
That little program, not this mass surveillance shit that they knew.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
These guys said they knew everybody anyway, all around the world, and then they started taking them out.
I think they were getting rid of witnesses.
Well, that's that could be part of it, too.
Yeah, yeah.
But I mean, the point is there was a good CIA program that targeted people specifically in a disciplined way for the things that they were doing that they knew they were doing.
Yeah, that was a good program, and that's why we were safe.
Not this mass surveillance shit.
That that just gave them power over everybody.
But if you weren't surveying Mossad and all the agents that came in compliments to the CIA and occupied the Twin Towers, you wouldn't be tracking the right callprints.
So there is all of that too.
Yeah.
If they'd only follow your policies, we'd be so far ahead, but they're going to reveal themselves so they won't do it.
You know, you got to...
cover CYA.
Catherine Bill, it's a joy, it's a joy, it's a joy.
The other problem they have is they don't know how to do it.
Yeah, they don't know how to do it.
Oh, okay, all right.
He has a lecture to go to.
You guys you guys are good sports, and I really enjoy it.
And I thank you so much.
Jim Fetzer signing off with another real deal special with Catherine Horton at Bill Benny under fire.
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