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	I need somebody.
	not just anybody you know i need someone
	help me if you can i'm feeling down and i do appreciate you
	This is uh Jim Fetzer, your host on uh Raw Deal this uh 15th day of October 2025, right here on Revolution Radio Studio B. Uh this is going to be an unusual feature today rather than the usual fearsome threesome, though I am joined by Russ Winter and by Susan Bradford.
	We have a special guest who has yet to make a debut here, Dustin Nemos, who's long been affiliated with Victor Hugo Vaca the second, but has had a falling out and has been severely critical.
	So we wanted to seize the opportunity to discuss with uh with uh Dustin his experiences with Victor, but uh he's not here.
	I don't know.
	Russ, what would this mean if if if if uh dust had a no show?
	Well, it could just mean that he doesn't arrive on time and he's not reliable, and he could show up late.
	That's a possibility.
	I put that out there.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	And you're not to be overly critical, Dustin, because a lot of people are that way, so that's okay.
	Susan, you're thought well, I would have thought he would have maybe sent you an email to let you know that he was running late, so maybe he will be a no-show for today.
	I have I'd love to talk to him.
	Um, hopefully he will show up.
	Well, just uh show what what we have in mind here.
	If you go to the latest, uh well, this is uh Jim Fetcher Dustin Nemo's debate.
	I uh we did have a debate, he and I about a year ago on uh evolution, flat earth worldwide flood.
	This was way back in September, and uh it turned out Victor turned it into about a dozen different little video clips.
	Uh but what's happening right now is if you go to Jim Fetzer, Victor Hugo Jim Fetzer, we're now up to 902 of these videos, many of which have Dustin's name on them.
	Uh but Russ, could you give us a little recap of relating okay?
	He's had a falling out, and then you know, maybe he can explain the the details of it.
	I because I don't know.
	I think Victor and his crowd just thinks we're in on all this.
	He thinks that you are the spin galley that just pulls the strings and all this stuff, and we don't really know we don't really know.
	I'd just like to hear it from Dustin himself, let him put his piece in.
	But uh Victor's really butthurt on this, and when Victor gets butthurt, he'll put up eight videos a day running for weeks on end.
	And I and I said when this started, I said to you guys, I said, What's this?
	Victor Budhurt Victor's gonna run weeks and weeks of of uh smear videos against Dustin Nemos, and that's exactly what's happened, and it's just typical.
	You can't he really can't get along for long periods of time with anybody.
	He's a very difficult individual, and so people have fallings out, and this is just par for the course.
	But it keeps him keeps him amused, apparently.
	Now we've been kind of speculating here before the show uh that maybe Victor's got a lot of money.
	You know, we maybe he's kind of got us fooled that he's not living in a janitor's closet and Batumi.
	That he's pretty that he's pretty flush.
	He probably a trust baby, apparently had a wealthy dad.
	So he probably has a big inheritance, and maybe he's paying he's pays a lot of these clapping seals, including Dustin Nemos to come on his show.
	So I would like to hear Dustin answer to that.
	Did you ever get paid by Victor Hugo?
	What's the story with Victor Hugo's wealth?
	Does he have any?
	Because I can't believe that he can subsist in a foreign country without some pretty good money on hand.
	You just can't do it.
	You can't come to Europe or whatever and just plop down and be a homeless person.
	Just it's not practical and it's not realistic.
	Just an aside for those watching the program.
	I have a bandage on the right side of my face from the removal of a skin cancer that occurred yesterday.
	And when they close it, they make an incision down the jawline.
	So this is for 48 hours, and then it takes about two weeks to heal altogether, but all is well.
	The surgeon brilliant.
	I've been exceptionally happy.
	You're gonna get right back out there in the sun, right?
	Doing gardening and I don't know the sun actually has anything to do with it or not, Ross.
	Susan, um 902 videos, and of course, some have been taken down.
	I mean, uh I'm gonna guess a number would be closer to probably maybe 20, somewhere between 20 and 50, I suppose over all these ones have been taken down.
	But 902, that's quite an impressive number.
	What do you what do you think this is all about, Susan?
	What's your theory of uh Victor Hugo Vaca the second?
	That's a very good question.
	Um I I think that uh part of this is just his personality.
	He's very vindictive, and once he uh, you know, as Russ said, he gets hurt that something has offended him, he retaliates.
	And this has been his pattern you know for decades.
	But I I think there's also a political agenda behind this.
	Um if you know, I don't know if you how much of you know some of my articles you followed, but um part of this appears to be doing uh damage control for Alex Jones, uh, given that uh you're the last man standing who hasn't you know retracted your statements.
	Alex Jones, I guess he lost his uh appeal um on his 1.5 billion dollar judgment or or or so.
	And then you find a lot of these different networks who are supporting uh Victor and who are amplifying his defamation.
	Um they all kind of center around these different financial networks linked in with the info wars and then with Jeff Berwick, and it's the same kind of group of of individuals and networks who are just dedicated single-mindedly to defaming you and to defaming anyone around you so that you'll become so unsavory that nobody will want to platform you, associate with you, buyer books.
	Well, then they spent what they what they can do is they can spin off from the Jim Fetzer defamation to nail a lot of other people.
	So I don't think it's just Jim.
	I think it's the I mean Jim's got the headlines, the 900 videos.
	He's a bit of target, but as it's evolved and more, he just goes after more and more and more people, he can intimidate, you know, tries to intimidate a lot of people, drags more people's name into the mud.
	And that the challenge I've always had, you know, in the beginning it was just accusing people of cowardice.
	Okay, all right.
	That's that's acceptable behavior.
	And then it kind of went to backstabbing, you know, his personal vendetta, his butthurt shit.
	But now it's expanded into just accusing everybody of being a pedophile.
	And so I don't know how can how can a guy living in a janitor's closet in Batumi, Republic of Georgia, that doesn't even have a cell phone, get the dirt on so many people on the in the alt media.
	Well, the answer, of course, is he just makes it up.
	He does not have the technology, he doesn't have the means, he doesn't have the investigative skills.
	Now I'll tell you who does have investigative skills skills is Susan Bradford.
	Oh, I agree.
	Susan is impressed the hell out of me.
	She has so long.
	You really barked up the wrong tree, Victor.
	Here, you really have.
	Years an experience.
	We are great fans, Susan.
	I mean, you are so thorough and meticulous.
	I've been very, very impressed.
	Continue, continue.
	Thank you.
	Um I think the other point is, you know, why does he do this?
	I think he's in search of you know the latest scandal that will get him a lot of attention.
	So first it was um uh I think it was P. Diddy that didn't work out, and he had to jump on the General Flynn's a pedophile scandal that kind of didn't fit that didn't pan out for him.
	And then I think he then latched on to this uh Sandy Hook thing, and maybe he thinks that this will kind of sail him into kind of um notoriety and help elevate uh his standing.
	And he also seems to kind of want to emulate or himself or mirror himself after Howard Stern, like to be a shock jockey and to you know, shock people into following him.
	Um I I think it's part of it's it's a strategy, you know, to get attention.
	Well, he's he's had several iterations.
	This stuff uh facts have come out, and there's several people make videos on bit shoot that have dug stuff up, and one of them is he promotes you know, he's a big promoter of pornography and smut.
	He has a product called that he promotes and holds it up to the screen called Enol Ease.
	He has a real fixation with uh with that sodomy.
	So he kind of went through that phase.
	I mean, now that he's trying to pretend like he's a Christian, he doesn't try he doesn't do that as much.
	He kind of covers it up, and then he moves on to China and engaged in you know wearing masks and and fear porn around uh COVID, did that he did an iteration there.
	So he's always kind of morphing into some shtick, you know, new shtick.
	And so the new the latest shtick is to bring down the i you know a good chunk of the alt media or anybody that doesn't cater to him or uh pat his head or uh give him accolades or diffuses to let him on shows.
	I mean, Victor, come on, you know, a lot of people refused to let let me on shows.
	I very rarely get invited on shows, you know.
	What what's the heck's wrong with you, you diva?
	You know, you're gonna be able to do that.
	Now I can now I can understand why they hazed the hell out of him in the Naval Academy.
	It makes total sense now.
	Well, of course, you're right that it began with calling Brian Davidson a coward when he took exception to that's not that's nothing compared to where he's gone.
	I don't think he calls everybody a pedophile.
	Constant mantra, it's a Jews, it's a Jews, which he endlessly spewed.
	And I wonder, you know, a couple aspects of this.
	I think Brian was completely in the right in saying the situation is more complex.
	For example, we had the Jews against genocide who occupied Grand Central Station.
	I that was early on, you know.
	I thought that was very impressive.
	I thought that was all normal controversy.
	You know, that not none of that ever bothered me.
	The stuff about the feud with Ryan.
	It never bothered me.
	Then what I got bothered is when all of a sudden he comes up with this cockamaney story that you threw this your Sandy Hook case.
	Yes, or you're throwing your sandy, and then he and then he accelerated from that, and that and all he does now is just fuse more and more people, pedophilia.
	Um, he put up a horrible, just a horrible message in my email.
	He's using the mails.
	He's using the mails to spread you know, spread some of his worst work.
	He did this the other day through Jane Aba Tracy.
	Now that probably where I was going, Russ, was just to expand how when I spoke up to defend Bryant when I took him off two shows, Truth versus News in this show, because at the time we were the fearsome foresome, he reacted very badly.
	He got furious.
	And everyone, everyone who spoke up to say anything on my behalf that, for Example, this idea of having thrown my Sandy Hook case was rubbish, became a target, and it grew and grew.
	So we had Susan, we had Carl, uh, we had Joaquim.
	Uh, and he keeps citing this Airsatz lawyer from Ohio, Wynne Young, who's never read any of my briefs.
	He claims it's a virtue to not look at my actual lawsuit because he knows independently of experiencing anything I've written or submitted that I threw the case because I didn't attempt to transfer it to federal court on grounds of diversity or because federal questions about freedom of speech and of the press were involved.
	Whereas I was the I was the defendant, and I couldn't find a lawyer to represent me.
	I was out there, you know, ship without a boat without a paddle.
	I was trying to figure out which end was up, but I believed from what I understood about the law that I had the opportunity to present all of my evidence accumulated and published in the book, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, where I had brought together 13 experts, including six PhDs, where we established the school being closed by 2008, that there were no students or teachers there, and it had been a FEMA drill presented as mass murder to promote gun control.
	Well, we even had the manual and included it in the book.
	I thought I could get all that in court and have it as it were vindicated by the judicial process, which is why I responded positively when I was issued a summons, the complaint, and then I discovered during the scheduling conference a judge would allow me, allow any of my evidence to be admitted on the absurd grounds that since I was being sued over the authenticity of a death certificate.
	And according to the judge, my theory of the case that it hadn't been real, that had been a FEMA drill, was irrelevant to the truth or the accuracy of a death certificate.
	When it said right on the death certificate, the party had died at Sandy Hook of multiple gunshop rooms.
	I mean, Susan, can you think of anything more absurd, both logically and legally?
	It was absurd, and I I think too, there's there's also kind of an interesting uh backstory to this.
	Um when I was like kind of looking looking into Bacchus' background, he was trying to promote some kind of uh propaganda that the Chinese were spreading some type of virus.
	It was some group that was uh financially backing Victor.
	Uh, and one of the first people to pick it up and run with maybe the only person was Owen Schroer of uh of InfoWars.
	And uh Owen Schreuer among his guests was uh Todd Callner, who then joined in his defamation with Win Young against you.
	And uh I thought it was interesting.
	I I watched uh some of the depositions um uh for InfoWars during the the Sandy Hook judgment.
	And um apparently um Alex Jones had said that um he never he never reviewed any of the evidence, he relied upon his researchers.
	The researchers the researcher in question was Owen Schreuer, and Owen Schreuer had read your book.
	So once Alex Jones had um had kind of as they said, thrown the case, that that led Owen to have you know um mud on his face.
	And I think that a lot of people blamed you for for that.
	And and I think that since you're the last man standing.
	Blamed me for what exactly?
	I I think that uh that since um you're you're writing the book that they they blamed you for uh that they they attributed that their work to you and by having to retract it publicly.
	Um, I think that they uh one person has to be decred discredited either um they ran with your work taking you for um at face value, therefore they're at fault, or you're the you're at fault for having misreported.
	And I think that they decided to make it uh to blame you for your reporting.
	But of course, it's ridiculous.
	I mean, even the members of the Sandy Hook community love the book.
	I mean, two of them reached out to me when I got entangled In this legal case to issue their support and provide lots of substantiation, including the Connecticut FEMA schedule showing this is exercise 366 right on there.
	Well, you know, it kind of looks like this Win Young thing is kind of fizzled out.
	When Young rarely comes on his shows.
	I mean, but it's morphed on.
	Now it's gone into a really awful phase of just smearing people with uh pedophilia and God knows what.
	I mean, child abuse.
	So he so he's he's really in there into a really dark, awful phase.
	And the reason for it is the make the cause of this is the failure of these platforms, bit shoot and rumble to police their platforms, and therefore he's gotten carte blanche to just do anything, say anything, do anything outrageous that he wants because he know he knows he won't be touched.
	So he experimented with it, starts out kind of mild, got worse and worse and worse, and you can just see an escalation of attacks on more and more people and and uh uh worse and worse attacks, and there doesn't seem to be any end of it.
	And then he just recycles and recycles and recycles.
	He doesn't even care about his audience that he's lost his audience.
	So I I found out that he actually had five or six thousand subscribers during uh and he some of these videos he was making during COVID, he would get five thousand views.
	I watched one of them where he's uh talking, you know, and yet he does one early on with uh last Dutchman when he goes to Georgia, where he claims that he was offered millions of dollars to sell vaccines and masks and by the Chinese, and then because he's such a good guy, he turned the offer down.
	While you know, six months earlier, he's on a beach all masked up and putting out fear porn.
	So he did a little switcheroo there.
	I think he hit you hit the the nail on the head.
	Um but both uh bit shoot and rumble are free speech absolutist uh platforms.
	That means it means anything goes.
	And Victor has even said that you know he's doing what he's doing because he can't be policed, and he he knows that they can't, and I think under free speech absolutism, the idea is to push the boundaries of free speech to see how how far you can go to legally get away with it.
	Um, and then you've got the Jeff Berwick angle, and of course, Jeff Berwick isn't is an anarchist.
	He's promoting this crypto um capital anarchy, and and I think that they're promoting anarchy um on the platforms, you know, like it just kind of creating chaos, that no rules apply, no morals apply, anything of it.
	But of course, even though they're free speech platforms, they have conditions.
	They have terms of service to preclude defamation, harassment, bowling.
	Victor's proved that they don't have any serve to no Russ, Russ, Russ.
	The point being it's not the case that anything can go.
	There are laws that are being violated.
	They're not enforcing them, which are not being enforced, which is why I brought the lawsuits against both Rumble and Bit Shoot, and where they're they're vulnerable because they participated in these offenses themselves.
	If they had not, they might be able to preserve their right to have it resolved by arbitration rather than in the federal courts, where uh I think a jury is gonna be appalled once they get a look at what Victor has done here.
	I mean, there's no set of circumstances under which, however, he may have felt offended by Brian Davidson excusing himself from future shows because he thought Victor's It's the Jews Mantra was excessive and an over-simplification, could justify a hundred of these videos, much less 200, 300, and now we're up to over 900.
	And he just and he's drawn in so many people.
	So what I was going to finish with is his audience has collapsed.
	He's had all these subscribers, he had lots of views, and it's funny, you know.
	Charlie Carter will put up an anti-Victor Hugo video that'll get more views than Victor does now.
	Charlie's a great challenge.
	Any kind of Any kind of, especially since it's Dustin Nemo stuff is developed, his audience is really turned on him.
	They're just telling him knock it off.
	I'm not listening to you anymore.
	You've lost all your credibility.
	But he doesn't care because he's just so he's just so much on the attack.
	And right now it's with Dustin Nemos.
	And I don't know if he'll have some new hobby soon enough.
	Uh I mean, let's go through some of them that he's attacked.
	SDT report.
	Uh what X22 report.
	What are they?
	You know them.
	Do you know?
	Yeah, there's quite quite a few that are Naomi Fagin, Hope Girl.
	Um, Mr. Peters, it's the key.
	Oh, and accusing everybody of being a pedo.
	It was one after another.
	You're absolutely right, Ross.
	I mean, it's monotonous.
	How it how can it be?
	Everyone's a pedophile, even the leading expert on pedophilion politics in the world today.
	Joaquin it goes in is supposed to be a pedophile.
	He describes it as an alleged pedophile.
	Well, who alleged it's a pedophile?
	Victor!
	So Victor cited himself to say why can't you say alleged pedophile because Victor's alleged.
	Yeah, alleged is a code world code world for the dumb shits that listen to him.
	That's alleged.
	So he's some somehow he's got uh good information that so-and-so is a pedophile.
	Whoever he whoever he's got a uh pissing contest with at any particular point in time, it's amazing.
	He just has no restraint on it.
	You know, if he wanted to be credible, he would probably back off a little bit and not use this accusation enough and try to just deal with the arguments one on hand, but instead he just goes to extreme ad homonyms and extreme smears, and here and here we are waiting for our day in court as this evidence just keeps piling up and piling up more and more of it, more of them to go into our affidavits and our discovery against bit shootings and rumble.
	And he he probably is taking those, he could end up taking those networks down, platforms down, but people have a right to defend against being defamed and smeared.
	Sorry, that's how our system works.
	So it's their responsibility to deal with this.
	And Victor probably is the guy that'll maybe maybe that's part of his mission, is destroy free speech on the internet.
	Well, you know, the mainstream is sinking fast, it's just disappearing.
	Attention is very much shifting to the alternative media.
	No one has any faith in the networks.
	The Zionists have just bought CBS.
	I mean, there's a once great news organization down the tube forever.
	TikTok is now being managed by a former IDF as the censor and going out and destroying, taking out old Fetty Elks.
	We'll be right back with Russ Winter and Susan Bradford.com.
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	Thank you.
	Well, before we turn to anything new, Susan, you were observing how Victor has said we're doing this for Alex Jones.
	Could you could you expand upon that?
	How I'm somehow uh in the way or an obstacle.
	So uh if if you if you could have follow the money and follow the connections, um uh just to paint a picture and we can you know guess uh or try to do to estimate why uh why they're doing what their motivation is.
	Um originally uh he once he fell out from your show, he um he then began to attack you over Sandy Hook.
	I think that was his next thing he was doing Vector was doing Victor.
	Um, and then he uh immediately uh partnered with um uh Todd Callender, Todd Callender was a regular guest on uh Owen Schroyer's show.
	Um and they they were targeting you.
	Uh I know that he uh Victor had said himself, he said, Jim is in the way of what we are trying to do for Sandy Hook.
	So what were they trying to do?
	I think it was damage control Jones for Alex Jones.
	For Alex Jones, and but on the one hand, you see this interesting dynamic, he's kind of working against Alex Jones because he's saying well, Alex Jones threw the case, and on the other hand, he's working with Alex Jones.
	So, how would you reconcile that?
	And I think that that the the connection there, just to my my guess, would be Owen Schroyer.
	Um, Owen Schroyer has um has produ you know he's run with some of Vaca's um reporting.
	Um, he has uh hosted a Todd Callendar who was enlisted against you.
	Um, and the uh Alex Jones had has said that uh hit was we know his case was um uh produced, co-produced and co-managed by uh HBO, HBO uh their parent company is Sandy Hook Promise, which you know is um financing the attack against you.
	Um interestingly enough, the other parties that Vaca who Vaca has enlisted against you were um Max Egan, uh Jeff Berwick, uh, and this uh Jane character, Jane Ava Tracy.
	Well, um uh uh Jane um uh Berwick rather uh he uh hosted he created a show back in 2022, The Anarchist, which kind of which was also produced by uh HBO.
	So you've got he's got this in with HBO, which is also um the whose parent company is Sandy Hook.
	And then if we look back at the why aren't the platforms enforcing their laws or the forcing the the terms of service, um Sandy Hook Promise was established on know your signs, like the know your signs of a shooter.
	Those signs were conceived by um Dan Bongino.
	Um he was one of the he was the former uh Secret Service officer for Obama immediately after the shooting, he came forward to offer his expertise on Know the Signs.
	Those were the signs that then became uh the basis for Sandy Hook Promise.
	Um then we know that the uh both the Democrats and the Republicans were um hashing in on Sandy Hook promise on the on the Democratic side, they're trying to take the guns.
	On the Republican side, they were grifting off of defense contracts, like um Eric Prince, for example, uh wanted to get a multi-million dollar contract to provide um security for all the schools throughout the nation.
	This was um an idea that was promoted by the national the uh NRA um uh which was making money hand over fist over concerns and fears that the Democrats were going to grab the guns.
	Um and then among the hosts of N the NRA during this period was uh Dan Bongino.
	Dan Bongino was also the um one of the the hosts who Alex Jones created.
	Um he helped launch Dan Bon Gino's a career uh social media career.
	So without um, you know, without him, he wouldn't he wouldn't be where he is today.
	Um and of course, Bon Gino amplified Alex Jones uh narrative on Sandy Hook.
	Dan Bon Gino has sit since become a leading investor in Rumble.
	Um he's now deputy uh director of the FBI.
	Um his employer, the Department of Justice, is managing um public funds for that are given to Sandy Hook Promise.
	So his employer that he has a vested interest through his employer through his own involvement to kind of maintain this narrative.
	Um and then among uh Dan Bonino's leading investment partners in social media is Jeffrey Wernick.
	Uh Jeffrey Wernick um uh is um uh uh he he's promoting this so this free speech absolutist uh culture.
	Among his partners in this deal are our ex Elon Musk, which um hosted a um um a dialogue um on on X with Alex Jones um and with Laura Loomer and some of their other you know their team where where Alex Jones was given an opportunity to kind of redeem himself like okay, look, I didn't know that um that these professors referring to you were incorrect.
	I I believe that children died.
	Yeah, he retacked retracted his statements in uh named Jim or blame Jim without actually naming him.
	Um and so you can see kind of a damage control there that they're trying to engage in damage control.
	Um and uh Jeffrey O'Wernick, um, among his social media partners like Facebook and Meta, for example, are corporate um partners of Sandy Hook Promise.
	So there's a lot of overlap there.
	Um and so I think that um they're this is my own my own opinion.
	I think they're trying to do damage control for Alex Jones because he has one of the most widely viewed platforms and most profitable platforms in the country that is supporting Donald Trump.
	And I think that his platform is so critical for the alt-right and the independent social media that a lot of people want to defend him to make sure that he's viable.
	The problem is that um he has uh gone along with the Sandy Hook promise narrative.
	He's retracted his statements.
	Um, and then here you are still promoting that narrative.
	Um and so I think they're concerned about you know what would be the repercussions if if your uh case is overturned, your defamation case, and if your research, you know, uh get gains credibility, You know, and then is is more widely accepted because that could have significant uh legal reper um ramifications for all the people who maybe you know went along with a falsehood.
	Let's let's explore this anarcho angle a little bit because this one's fascinating.
	Did you actually watch the film that they made?
	Have you had a chance to watch it?
	I haven't, but I have I saw some clips of it.
	Okay, within this within this within this film is an individual that we believe is Jane Ava Tracy.
	So Jane Ava Tracy is in Alcapulco, she's a fugitive from the law on various drug charges in Ohio.
	Is that correct?
	She's from Wisconsin.
	And it's interesting in an earlier conversation on uh in chat uh with uh Jane Ava Tracy when I caught her stealing and use utilizing the uh loop and the meme or the face of a professor at the University of Maryland.
	She was using her face.
	She claimed that well, the reason she was using her face is because she admired, she kind of lost, she kind of lost her narrative and said, Well, I'm using this face because I admired her, and I had met her at a meeting at University of Michigan, and I'm from Michigan, blah, blah, blah.
	And it's interesting that when you finally tracked her down to find out who she was, that she said she was she's from Michigan.
	Some some little small town.
	Iron Michigan is where she said she was from.
	That's what she told me on chat.
	I I could find that, except for Charlie.
	For some reason, Charlie Carter decided to take my comments down.
	That's back, that's back when he didn't know any better.
	But I did see that her uh, according to the news reports about her arrest, she yes, she was she has these ties to Michigan.
	Um her name is Miranda Webb.
	Is that right?
	Miranda Webb, she also goes by the the name of Lily Forrester.
	So she uses different aliases.
	And she's in Alcapulco.
	She was down there with a boyfriend, apparently, according to news stories.
	Acapulco is a dangerous place, especially if you're into drug dealing.
	You know, dangerous place.
	So he got shot in the head, so she her boyfriend was murdered.
	And according to her crowd, she's obviously hooked up with Jeff Berwick in this anarchist crowd because she was she appeared years ago in their film.
	So here she is involved with Victor uh Hugo Vaca.
	So this stuff runs pretty deep.
	There's an anarcho element to this.
	She uh appeared, I mean, Jeff Berwick was a star uh of that film.
	And she her aspirations was to lead an Acropolco conference.
	Like she wanted to be one of the leaders.
	Well, it explains why Def Berwick is totally failed to vet Victor and he just you know promotes him.
	I don't think he's doing as much anymore.
	He's kind of backed away from it because he can smell you know spell problems, so he backs away.
	But he's never denounced Victor.
	He's just sort of ignores him now.
	But uh he never vetted him.
	He never went like a lot of these guys.
	That's what I just kind of if anybody's out there been paid by Victor, please come forward.
	This is and be totally confidential and let us know if you've been paid, you know, paid for a sealing uh clapping seal rope role on one of his shows.
	Because he draws a lot of people in over and over.
	He gets a huge number of kind of strange, often criminals.
	We can mention one of them in particular that we did a background check on.
	It was Corey.
	Maselli.
	Maselli.
	You want to show his rap sheet?
	Corey Remisselli came.
	I I've never quite got a fix on Jeff Berwick exactly.
	Who is Jeff Berwick Susan?
	Can you help me?
	He's an anarchist.
	He's an anarchist.
	Yeah, but we um I think he shot he shot to fame, I think, during the Obama administration.
	He he was a leading kind of crypto guy.
	Um, and he wanted to promote this kind of freedom with uh um Ron Paul.
	And I I know that a lot of people revere Ron Paul.
	You know, he was one of the leaders um wanting to audit the Fed.
	But then notice that Ron Paul doesn't say, well, you know, we need to take um the printing of money back to his constitutional role within the federal government within a proper representative government.
	Instead, he says, take the printing of money outside the government and promote it, you know, use cryptos.
	Well, what he's doing is he's taking it outside all regulation and putting it into the hands globally of the Rothschilds.
	So this is kind of like the they're m they're involved with uh a lot of cryptocurrencies.
	And from what I was able to to gather with this on Acropolco group, um there are opportunities for investing in cryptos with real estate, alternative living, anarchy, like they wanted to be able to do that.
	They had these regular meetings.
	They had one in Serbia recently, which Victor was invited to speak at.
	I don't know if he did.
	I think he spoke at this meeting, and I think he's been invited to their next meeting in Alcapulco.
	So he's still on the loop.
	Victor's still on the loop.
	And there's Jane Ovatracy, his n number one sidekick, flying monkey.
	Just so happens to be making movies with Jeff Berwick in Acapulco, and is obviously an anarch anarchist, anarchist, obviously.
	And she's she's joined uh in uh she's in one of the leading promoters of all the defamation against uh Jim and is also leading promoter of all of Vaca's uh appearances in um this an acropulco kind of in the these different events.
	So she can't do it.
	Ever present, yeah, she's ever present.
	You want to show you wanna show the audience the who she is?
	Yeah, sure.
	we'll go there Uh can you you remind me which time uh we had here it was nine nine uh eleven a.m. your time.
	911, yeah.
	Or 907, one of the two.
	I think maybe 907.
	907.
	This I think that's it.
	Right.
	Well, that's Susan's our article that you can read on her Sub Stack.
	You subscribe to her Substack and she's popping this stuff out.
	I sure I sure notice it.
	Susan, you want to go through this with us.
	Um, sure.
	Um, okay, so uh basically we've got vodka attacking um these different content creators, you know.
	I I named some of them, and then if you you scroll down, um we have the picture of um the professor, and this is um uh professor uh tr Tracy Jane Turner.
	She looks very much like um our our Jane.
	Um and this is a uh the the identity of a woman whom Jane has impersonated throughout Bit Shoot and Rumble.
	So she was assuming that the identity of this woman.
	Um and she's since she take she's taken this woman's down, she he's replaced she's replaced her meme or avatar with Victor's uh four foot four of a foot penis art.
	And then uh okay, so we have Jane um amplifying the defamation.
	Um and then if you scroll down, you'll see.
	What is this woman have against me?
	I mean, I'm I've never really heard of her other than in this context.
	I mean, she looks like uh uh a nice gal.
	Jim, I think the idea here is to damage the alternative truth media.
	That I think that's I agree.
	It's because you're you're a V you're a vehicle to that.
	And then so they're able to expand off of you, the shit storm they've created around you and start to diminish a lot of other people attack and attack a lot of their people.
	It's just more and more people along.
	It's never stopped.
	That's all issues.
	Well, also, Jim, uh, within these different corporations, the government and media, there are there are powerful special interest groups that operate among them.
	And one of the connections to Berwick is HBO.
	HBO produced the um the Alex Jones film, it produced uh the anarchist film.
	It also produced the Stop the Steel film, which which Featured also featured Alex Jones.
	And of course, HBO is um is a subsidiary of Discovery Times Warner, which is a corporate partner of Sandy Hook Promise.
	So I think that there's uh a connection there.
	Quite a tangled web.
	It goes way beyond you, Jim.
	You're just a vehicle.
	You're kind of like an opening round.
	Yeah.
	So they could be paid.
	Um so of course we have her.
	Go ahead.
	No, go go ahead, Susan.
	I think you're doing wonderful work here.
	Claiming his art is the last bastion of free speech.
	VAC accuses content creators of pedophilia, bestiality, incest, crimes of every imaginable distinction, of being liars, disinformation agents, criminals.
	He disparages her bodies, calls them vile names, accuses them of mental disorders, perceived learning abilities, and dehumanizes them.
	He's a master at that, for sure.
	Yes.
	And then of course, uh, you have discovered that um vodka has a 16 page uh wrap sheet, and we find that that uh Jane in turn has a long criminal record.
	Um, she was uh arrested in 2015 on uh drug-related quality uh uh charges while living kind of an anarchist lifestyle.
	And her sentence was between 25 and 27 years, and you know, which is an outrageous sentence for for drug possession.
	So, in order for her to have reached such a potential sentencing, um, she would have had to have had more than you know, more far more than the legal limit.
	She would have had to have been a go ahead, a distributor.
	Yeah, just to make clear, she wasn't just she wasn't just selling drugs or pot or whatever to this is the photograph of a legitimate professor who has been usurped.
	She's not the lady and she's taken her down.
	That was her avatar that was her avatar for a long time.
	She's taken out, replaced it with Victor's uh penis art.
	But this person is perfectly innocent to the best of our knowledge of any involvement whatsoever.
	It's simply they appropriated her image.
	Correct, and part of her name because uh the prep professor's name is Tracy Jane Turner, and then Jane or this web lady, um, referred to herself, calls herself Jane Ava Tracy.
	Okay, so she co-opted some of her name.
	Pardon her name.
	Facing a prison set between 25 and 27 years for drug led charges, web led acapoo with the galton who was shot dead, protecting her.
	Do we know the story there?
	I don't know all the details.
	It was a very kind of anarchist, uh, very kind of a lot of chaotic and violent environment in Alcapoca.
	Yeah, there's a lot of drug-related slangs down there.
	It's a very dangerous place.
	For gringos to go down there and be involved in drugs, would be really putting your life on the line.
	So that kind of explains it.
	She has cinched for career for herself, organizing Berwick conferences, promoting vodka disinformation campaign marketed and as nonconformist start on bit shooting rumble, 25 years imprisonment.
	Seems to be an extreme sentence for marijuana possession, even by Michigan standards.
	I agree completely.
	Recreational marijuana possession has been legal in Michigan since 2018.
	Possession of up to two and a half ounces in public, 10 ounces at home is legal to reach a felony threshold.
	She'd have to have had a possession of large quantities beyond the legal limit with intent to distribute, even then.
	Where would you get where would you get and where would you get large quantities of marijuana?
	Let's ask that question, honestly.
	Mexico.
	Mexico, yeah, Russian oligarchs.
	I know they're also involved in like Roman Abramovich.
	They need distributors in the United States, so that's how that works.
	So there's no that I mean, I don't know the case, but 25 years.
	Come on, you know, that's not just for selling dope to you.
	Do we know the details of her sentencing or the crimes of which she was convicted?
	Yeah, you can you can scroll down.
	Um she had a lot of of uh alleged crimes prior to uh prior to this arrest.
	This is the real gal.
	This is the real galanda Webb.
	Miranda Webb, also known as Lily Forrester.
	She's been arrested multiple times.
	There she is in her in her jail garb, orange jail garb, kind of standard attire for.
	She sure looks like she could be a victor ally rather than the professor.
	She kind of does look similar to the professor in a way, you know, kind of dark hair, dark eyelash, dark eyebrows, kind of similar facial features.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's no doubt why they chose it.
	But she's been booked all over the place.
	Here she is an anarchist.
	This is her clip in The Anarchist.
	She has her hair kind of red.
	Here we get the Acapulco Community as closely associated with Merwick, a Canadian onto announced Woken Libertarian and founded.
	Oh, it's Archapoluca, right?
	Like anarch anarchy and acapulco, and they combined with a word.
	Yeah, in 2015 is an annual conference in Acabuco promoting anarch capitalism, cryptocurrency.
	Which Victor Hugo Vaca has been asked to speak to twice and now a third time.
	So he has not been vetted.
	They don't even care that he's out attacking the uh many people in the old media.
	Oh, Russ, it's the opposite.
	They want him because of that.
	I mean, he's a part, he's a party.
	Yeah, it's like he it's he's he's still selling anarchy in the on the platforms, lawlessness.
	You know, like accountable to no one.
	Or like this and the anarchist document series that also featured Webb, both apparently enabling and gradient facility vloggers, anarchist behavior on bit shoot and rumble.
	They're nihilists, is what these people are.
	You know, they're into I don't know if you've ever read Anne Rand.
	And Ryan is just more of this extreme libertarianism, do as they wilt type stuff.
	I mean, it's uh it's kind it's kind of it's I don't know if satanic is quite the word for it, but it's very uh it really is.
	It stems stems back to the rational self rational enlightenment, rational self-interest, um, and it's rejection of God at the core of it.
	You know, do whatever he trusts to help everybody else.
	Rejection of God at the core.
	Rejection of God, rejection rejection of all laws, all values, all empathy.
	You just do what's in your rational interest, seek power, and um and whatever you want, material possessions, pleasure.
	Um, and don't know.
	A new leaf that Victor has turned over of late.
	I'm sorry to interrupt Susan.
	That's okay.
	Uh a new leaf that Victor's turned over of late is to attack Christians, and he uses he calls them satanic Christians.
	That's what he said.
	It's what he calls Dustin Nemos.
	Uh he's a set example of the satanic question Christian.
	So this seemed seems to be kind of set up to create sort of an aegalian divide between Christians and non-Christians, and just really rail on Christians and you know, say you're satanic.
	That's been a big theme.
	That's been a big theme of Victor's lately.
	I've long suspected he was actually a Jewish provocateur, and hasn't he actually admitted that he is a Jew, Susan?
	Isn't that the case?
	Jokingly I think he admits it tongue in cheek.
	Yeah.
	But I don't think it was.
	I don't think it was merely tongue in cheek.
	Well, what yeah, why on our shows that we did with him, why did he have every show have to bring that uh what is that?
	What do they call it?
	Beanie.
	Yeah, what do you have to put that on his head on every friggin' show?
	What was that all about?
	He doesn't do it as much anymore, but on our shows, it was just put that beanie on.
	You know, I I hadn't even noticed that.
	I think the reason he I think the reason he did that is he wanted to say, look, you can't accuse me of anti-Semitism because I'm a Jew.
	I think I mean I I believe it.
	But I've met lots of friends that were Jews.
	I mean, some of my dearest and closest friends in my life.
	My best friend in college was a Jew.
	A best friend of mine today is a Jew.
	I mean, he's kind of moved past the anti-Semitic stick.
	He doesn't really do that, do it anymore.
	For one, for what he did that for us.
	When he was on a show for us, he really pushed that afterwards.
	And then he doesn't really do it that much anymore.
	And he got a big following because people people thought he was opening up the Overton window.
	In some ways, I kind of thought he was.
	I in some strange way I actually appreciated that he was opening the overturn window issue.
	But now he's dropped it and moved on attacking the adult media, attacking Christians.
	He's got a whole new shtick.
	His shtick kind of ch evolves and changes all the time.
	But it's very dark, and he's making some horrific accusations on these platforms in the open and repeatedly.
	The attack on Dustin Nemo's.
	I'm not a Dustin Nemos fan, but that's pretty vicious.
	I saw that um 10 months ago, he had Dustin Emos on his show, and they discussed this very tape that he's now using to attack Dustin with, you know, where um Dustin was being accused of being a pedto and all sorts of things.
	And um uh Victor Chined in, I don't believe any of those allegations.
	I know you're a good man and so on.
	And then he now today, they after they've fallen out, he now takes those clips and then says, Look, according to all these other people, Dustin is a pedophile, he's a this, he's a that.
	Just in other shows, talk about his childhood, you know, he's kind of actually kind of emotional, it's kind of touching in a way to hear him talk about his childhood, his mother uh being problematic.
	I won't use the word he used, and uh, you know, he just got in trouble with the law himself, and then he found Christ, you know.
	It seems kind of heartfelt in these interviews he did with Victor, and now Victor's turned that on him, you know, kind of similar to I won't get into it.
	Just he's turned the whole thing on its head and use and is using that to attack uh Dustin.
	We're here with Russ Winter and Susan Bradford will be missing our guest, Dustin Nemos, not here, we'll be right back.
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	Well, another dimension of the whole Victor saga is the son of Enos.
	Susan or Russ, why don't you want to give us a little sketch?
	Ross, begin with you.
	I'll defer to Susan to begin with.
	Okay, well, son of Avinos, who's otherwise known as Kenneth or Kenan Holland, was arrested for anti-Semitic speech.
	And apparently this was one of the most groundbreaking cases in Canada.
	He was sentenced to a fairly lengthy prison sentence.
	But the curious part about this is that no mainstream media picked up on it.
	And you think that a precedent-setting case like this would be picked up by the mainstream media.
	But somehow the mother, Diane Pollan, had picked out Dustin Nemos and Victor Hugo Vaca, of all people, to somehow get help for her son, or to help her son.
	I'm not really sure what type of help she was expecting.
	Because if her son were prosecuted over hate speech, anti-Semitic hate speech, why would you pick two people who are engaged in anti-Semitic hate speech to amplify it, rather than go to the mainstream media to raise awareness on it?
	Because I think she's basically hurting her son's own legal case.
	But as I began to look into it, I found that the mother, Diane Pollan, and I don't know that this is the same woman, but the age description and kind of the locality are, you know, fit.
	But Diane Pollen uh and uh is a forensics nurse uh in the very district where the the police had represented had um arrested her son.
	Um and so that would mean um if she's a forensics nurse, that means that she for 20 decades for two uh two decades, she had worked with the um the police who arrested her son, that very division, um, building cases, appearing with them in court, working through the court system, you know, um to be you know, to provide research on medical cases as they pertain to uh uh to criminal law and so forth.
	So to me, that that raises a few questions.
	Why does she go to these two characters and not work through the courts or then they and then the offshoot of this is the whole behavior of all these people, including Victor, has been very meek.
	They haven't really stirred up anything.
	And so I kind of drew the analogy.
	I drew the analogy to Adolf Hitler after the Munich beer hall pooch who rose the occasion and made some dramatic speeches and got all kinds of public sentiment on his side and really took advantage of the situation of being arrested and incarcerated.
	And so if this guy is such a big badass Nazi, why hasn't he done that?
	He's just meek.
	That it doesn't fit the it doesn't fit the profile.
	Now they're saying, well, it's because there's a gag order.
	I don't know if we have any way of checking that out or not.
	Maybe there was, and if there's a gag order, then they could throw the book at him.
	There's you know, there are some ramifications there.
	But Victor, only thing Victor has really done for this whole episode is again attacked the alternative media and call them cowards.
	That's pretty much it.
	Especially the SGT report.
	And the other thing too about this is that um from what I could tell, there were no, maybe you know, the situation has changed, but there were no um public records of the arrest of the sentencing, um, you know, beyond like a press release, um of the actual conviction.
	You can't uh contact the uh the prison uh where where he's staying in the case.
	There've been a press release in some sources that I saw, and I'm not exactly sure the source by by the employer of the mother, which is interesting, or the for one of the former employers of the supposedly he's just been sentenced to six months in prison.
	And the other interest interesting angle uh to this is that um the the case broke with uh uh Dustin and Vaca promoting it right around the time that Jim was trying to trying to have uh Vaca arrested for all of his abuses.
	So it coincided right around that time.
	And Vaca in turn was turning around and saying, look, what happened to Enos is going to happen to me.
	They're trying to have me arrested for anti-Semitic hate speech.
	Right.
	So he exploited that.
	And then of course, among the people who are promoting this story were Jeff Berwick, Max Egan, uh Dustin Nemos and Vaca.
	They never didn't, they never really did anything other than wine, other than wine against uh Jim, of course.
	Somehow they dragged his name into it, which is just amazing how they do it.
	They just like gymnasts contort themselves to drag Jim's name into it somehow.
	And then by extension, the alt media, and like I said, certain people that they've really targeted for being cowards.
	Well, they were cowards too.
	You know, where is come, you know, come on, Nemo.
	Or not Nemos, uh Enos, present yourself.
	You have a face.
	Do you actually have a public face that you can present yourself?
	Just because you're in jail, that doesn't mean that's a good thing.
	No one's ever seen something.
	No one's actually ever seen this guy.
	Is he a is he a fiction?
	Well, he did some shows with Victor, coincidentally.
	Well, did we see him on those shows?
	Yeah, yeah, he's on these shows.
	But actually, you know, it's funny, even on those, he's in dark.
	He's darkened.
	You don't really know to be honest with you, you don't really see him.
	He's in the dark.
	I can I could try to track him down.
	But let me point out this story about uh the nurse.
	Diana Paul and who may or may not be his mother, is from 2017.
	Susan, you notice that.
	I mean, this is uh this is almost ancient history, nearly 10 years ago.
	The former register go ahead.
	Yeah, what this article shows is that it identifies her as a forensics nurse, and also that she's financially somewhat hard up.
	So would she be amenable to accepting a compensation, for example, you know, to maybe being part of a uh a story that would might help vodka with whatever he's doing to target you.
	That might be a bit of a reach.
	So the latest inter the latest iteration of this is this dispute and fight between it's not a dispute, it's a it's all out cat fight between these two divas, Dustin Nemos and Victor Hugo, where they're fighting and smearing each other like crazy.
	That's emerged and I it doesn't make any sense.
	Why are they so territorial?
	About what the mother doesn't even want to talk.
	The guy, the guy in prison, whoever he is, son of Enos doesn't want to talk.
	So these guys have just crowded into the vacuum to absorb attention to themselves, get all kinds of clicks as they feud and and fight with each other.
	What's that all about?
	Is it worth looking at a part of one of these videos?
	Uh well, they're all the same.
	They're all the same.
	They're vicious.
	It's they're basically Victor attacking, and vice versa.
	Nemos attacks Victor, too.
	Yeah, here's son of Enos.
	Kenneth Paulus exposes all to Victor.
	You go live with Voltaire talk, Dust and Nemos.
	You haven't found Sir Son of Enos exposed to Dustin Nemos a satanic Christian.
	Son of Enos exposed his epidemic of liars at all nudes media.
	So what is what all do the media lying about?
	I mean, we don't we haven't been given any information.
	You haven't provided information.
	There's no way to prove it.
	There's no way to even prove the story happens.
	There's no public records.
	You actually have to rely upon them, what they're telling you.
	Um, so that's kind of odd.
	I mean, if this was real, and it may be.
	I mean, I'm not saying it's not, they could get all kinds of public sentiment for him.
	I mean, a lot of people would come to the support of this guy.
	What else people don't want people don't want people, nobody wants guys thrown in jail for six months for making anti-Semitic or even a Holocaust denial claims.
	Nobody wants to see that.
	So he would have a rush of huge support.
	And instead, what's happened is Victor and Nemos have somehow stopped that cold index track.
	So nothing ever emerged publicly.
	Well, I think it was a it was a bit worse than than just um the Holocaust denial.
	I think he actually came out and said that we need to exterminate the Jews.
	Like he was very it was more promoting genocide, according to the articles I read.
	So that that might have been grounds.
	Okay, so he's not going to get too much sympathy for that.
	Okay.
	All right, that clarifies a little bit.
	Well, wait a minute, for saying exactly what that Hitler was not exterminating the Jews.
	Um, he called it an article.
	Um I mean Thomas Dalton in his book about the you know the Holocaust debate makes a point that there's never been any documentary substantiation that uh Third Reich or Adolf Hitler issued any.
	I think Susan just said that he that he called for exterminating the Jews.
	Oh, he called for it.
	Oh, he called for it.
	Ah he dustin, he, uh son of Enos called for exterminating the Jews.
	That's right, you're talking about.
	Um, you know, the actual article, so you can you can read it.
	Um I wish I had it in front of me.
	But yeah, continue.
	If I find it, I'll let you know.
	Okay, so he was he was writing this kind of stuff, and and the authorities picked up on it.
	Victor kind of set all this up.
	I mean, wasn't he using son of Enos?
	He's he's doing nothing to he's doing nothing to put any kind of sunlight or transparency on this whole story.
	Instead, he's just obfuscating it and using it to his advantage.
	Including amazingly enough, concocting a story to even attack you over this.
	That even attack you.
	I mean, he was attacking me the other day over this.
	But we haven't reported on it.
	This is the most discussion we've devoted to it.
	I'd like to hear from I'd like to hear from Son and Enos and his mother, you know.
	I'd love to hear from them and get their side of it, but you know, it's it's obfuscated.
	You don't get that.
	So it just confuses the issue and allows these scoundrels, Hugo, to lurk in the background, stirring, you know, stirring up the pot.
	It's just classic Victor, Victor Hugo Vacum.
	Uh bullshit, I guess is the word for it.
	Obfuscation.
	Why are you fighting?
	Why are you fighting over this, Victor?
	Why are you why are you fighting with your partner Nimos over this?
	Doesn't make any sense.
	Somebody said something, and Victor got buttered, and then Victor attacked Justin Enimos.
	So some kind of personality disorder thing, or what's going on here, Victor?
	I wish Dustin had shown up, so we we got to address these issues with him.
	I think he would have a lot of insights, you know.
	I mean well, you know, Dustin's claiming to have contact with these people, the meaning the uh son of Enos.
	So but he hasn't really shown it.
	He's kind of he's showing he's kind of shown some email titles between, but then they claim privacy, you know.
	I don't we don't want to violate Diane's privacy.
	Well then Diane, then why are you if you if you're not gonna have your privacy uh why are you picking these guys to represent you?
	These guys is just throw everything to the wind.
	They're not they're not gonna be confidential.
	They'll go dig up an email you wrote in December and put it on the air to embarrass you.
	They've done that.
	I haven't seen any of these exchanges where they're attacking one other.
	Son of Enos exposes Dustinos Christian.
	Where do they come up with these names anyway, son of Enos?
	I'm very you think you think you're gonna see something son of Enos saying something, and of course you never do because this is the Maveric artist Victor Higo playing modern art journalism for the modern art music movement.
	It is October 5th, 2025.
	I'm reporting from the former Soviet Union near the border with Russia Turkey, their monster and Azerbaijan.
	Unbelievable.
	My job.
	That's the golden rule.
	The golden rule says treat others the way you would want to be treated.
	I did not make an attack video on Dustin Emo's.
	I challenge anyone.
	Brandon Kroll, Curtis Griffin, you guys want to call me out?
	Find a video that I made before this attack video.
	This is Dustin Nemo.
	Dustin here, right?
	Who is this?
	Alongside VP, his new female male Jewish friend.
	Well, Dustin kind of started to be fair, Victor.
	Dustin started on this.
	No.
	See the truth.
	Hang on, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead, Russ.
	To be fair to Victor here, uh Dustin's sort of instigated this and went started going after Victor being a liar.
	And you can't do that to Victor.
	He's gonna realiate tenfold, and that's exactly what's happened.
	So at this point, you know what he's saying.
	I have not made any attack videos against Nemos.
	It's kind of a ridiculous thing to say.
	I can't I can't find the um the articles of unnounted.
	I think he uh according to some of these, it shows that he just he was a holocaust denier and he was um uh spreading hate speech against Jewish people, but I I but I thought I I saw something about where he was spreading, he was encouraging genocide, but maybe that was commentary from from somebody else.
	I I can't find it right off, so well just to clarify.
	I'm in the curious position of being a Holocaust denier, but not an anti-Semite.
	I mean, I'm opposed to Zionism and the Israeli slaughter of the Palestinians, but there's no doubt that I'm a Holocaust denier.
	Uh I've been very explicit.
	You would probably you'd probably come to the defense of son of Enos if you'd even knew who he was, and he and if he presented himself to you, but you're not gonna take Victor's word for anything.
	Come on, Victor has no credibility.
	So they pick somebody with no credit or limited credibility in the small tiny audience of sadistic flying monkeys that follow in this very tiny market that they he they go to to represent them and give them credibility on the story.
	He hasn't he's wrecked the credibility of any credibility Son of Eno's might have had stepping forward and being uh outspoken against what's happening to him.
	It's just a little pipsqueak.
	Haven't heard a word.
	Where are you, son of Enos?
	Where you know, and his mother.
	You're gonna let Dustin Nemos and Victor Hugo speak for you and represent you?
	How absurd.
	I've got the feeling.
	I've got the feeling this whole son of Eno's thing was just a bait that was a trap for people like us, the alternative media that Russia that defenses son of Enos and somehow be ensnared.
	We really didn't.
	That's the problem.
	That's what you can say.
	But I think that was the gamut.
	We didn't fall for it because the source was Victor.
	Victor doesn't have any credibility with people like us, or or anything, or the SGT report or Stu Peters, all the people he's attacking over this issue.
	He doesn't have any credibility.
	And and that's that's the subtlety of the psyops, how you do the psyops.
	You get somebody with no credibility, and then all of a sudden you get a tepid response of support for Sonny Enos when probably you deserve support if he'd if he would step up and be as I say regarding the Holocaust, if you are familiar with the evidence, you're either a Holocaust denier or a big fat liar.
	Those are the only options.
	Most people don't bother to become familiar with the evidence, but it's so blatant and overwhelming.
	There weren't even any gas.
	We know for a fact if you get in trouble with the law, they're gonna people are gonna hear from you.
	That's the difference.
	There's no public, there are no public records of this arrest beyond a press release.
	There's no what way to confirm or deny anything.
	And if there was a a media boycott, why is it?
	And you call and you call prison, you call the prison says you have this inmate in here, and they refuse to get it.
	And then the confirm or denied.
	What's that all about?
	Come on, people have a right to people have a right to find out where somebody is.
	Even in Canada.
	Public information.
	Huh.
	It's just a very strange story.
	Thank you.
	Well, has Victor run his course?
	I mean, has he done everything he was assigned to do?
	I mean, you got over 900 attack videos.
	I mean, look, if if if if the Israelis are paying these so-called inputs seven grand, what would it be seven grand times nine hundred?
	I mean, you're getting up there, you got into millions.
	This is like millions of dollars.
	I I my Sandy Friends didn't say Victor was paying big being paid big bucks by saying I promised to attack me, but how big those bucks are wasn't uh fine.
	But I think the audience needs to understand it's not just about attacking you.
	You're the vehicle, okay?
	Yeah.
	It goes way beyond that.
	If it was just attacking you, it would be like, what?
	What are you talking about, Jim?
	Yeah.
	Goes beyond that.
	Russ, I agree.
	I mean, it began with me, but then it grew, and now it's become the whole alt media, or at least a big chunk of it.
	I agree completely.
	Yeah, it began with attack on you and anybody associated with you, like me and Susan.
	And then that turned out to be a pretty big circle.
	Yep.
	Susan, what's your assessment of the totality?
	What's that big picture here?
	What the hell is going on?
	Um, did you ask a did did he uh has he run his course?
	Um I I think he probably has, uh, because he's fallen out with Nemo's.
	I think the all the entire uh you know, alt media is turning on him, and he's he has no credibility left.
	But he's still turning out these videos.
	I mean, they're they're they're abusive, they're defamatory.
	Um they're they're quite quite embarrassing.
	Um, but I I think that uh that Jane Ava Tracy character, uh Miranda Webb.
	I think she's the one going through and slicing out these videos, maybe doing even the thumbnails.
	Because Victor, you know, by the count of Charlie Carter and many others, doesn't have the technical skills to do it.
	So I think she's the one putting it out, and then you got you go back to it's being done in concert with this an acropulka group to maybe, and I don't know why, maybe it's it's to sew division and anarchy throughout the you know the the the truth movement or throughout these social uh free speech absolutist uh platforms to see how far they can promote or push anarchy and push the boundaries.
	And just a thought.
	I mean it's it's uh I I think so, but there's all there's also the element that maybe the end goal is is to take these platforms down or hurt or harm them financially.
	I mean, and then and that's why people were mad at us of saying, well, why are you suing you know, bit shoot and rumble?
	They're outlets for people, and they are they're outlets for for truthers, and it's and it's just a damn shame that they don't know how to police their platform and and do a proper job, but I'm not I'm not suing them over freedom of speech, but rather for not enforcing their own standards that would preclude defamation and slander and the slander defamation at this stage is really getting and it's it they're using the mails,
	the guy's got a 290 person spam email that he uses.
	Uh you know, I was looking over the mail, Judge Net Nepotalo, all kinds of you know, well-known.
	Yeah, there's all kinds of people on that list.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's that's using that's using the mail to spread the slander that he's put on these platforms.
	So that's almost like double jeopardy, even more that's a good point that uh he's furthering the defamation by all these emails that are just grotesque.
	I love the one that resembled when I said me.
	I have your permission to share your rap sheet with the members of his list.
	He went ballistic.
	Page after why don't you get the right rap sheet though, and then reveal it.
	No, no, no.
	The point is that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement hasn't been willing to confirm it.
	And I just wonder if they're also under control.
	Nelson, but not uh not confirming it doesn't mean that they've rejected it as as being false.
	Oh, right.
	The less distinction he's trying to make.
	Right.
	That the BI told me that I shouldn't share it unless it were confirmed because I could be subject to a lawsuit.
	And then with page after page of threats of lawsuit if I were messages since some of it was false.
	I mean, I think some of that was false.
	Some away.
	There's also the issue.
	Yeah, PI stuff is false.
	It wasn't good information.
	There's also there's also the element of the public interest because he because he is harming so many people throughout these platforms, you know, he does need to be stopped.
	But I'd also like to make one one point.
	Uh Vaca has repeatedly accused me of uh saying that you are an intelligence asset, Jim.
	And I um I will on the record, as I have many times, you know, to affirm that I did not say that, nor do I believe you to be sucked.
	We're about to we're about to hit a break, but we can pick up on that right now.
	Jim, I heard her say she that you were intelligent and intelligent asset.
	So you think to the contrary was a good idea.
	I love it.
	That's perfect.
	Perfect.
	Victor twisted it.
	Yeah, that's just a tad, but that is his style.
	And go with it endlessly, endlessly.
	He's still hung up on my having attributed to him his father's age, which was from you know, misreading the rap sheet, they were listed together.
	And I I fully can see that was a mistake, but he turns it into a federal offense.
	Like how many times has he re-entered?
	He's gotta have money.
	I mean, how do you go?
	How do you go to China and travel around China and Asia and go to Republic of Georgia, sets your stuff up on Batumi Beach.
	You know, come on.
	That's a good point.
	That's a good point.
	Okay.
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	Susan, you're observing that Vicker claims you characterize me as an Intel agent that you knew that I was an Intel agent.
	I mean, it was absurd on its face.
	If I'm an Intel agent, I must be the own most counterproductive in history.
	Because I brought together all these experts to expose the government or complicity and JFK, 9-11, well stone, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, and more.
	I mean, what kind of an agent am I supposed to be?
	This is so ridiculous on its face.
	Go for it, Susan.
	It's fascinating because he reiterates this endlessly.
	endlessly um and you know the fact is prior to this whole um evoca scenario i really didn't know you that well beyond you know appearing on a few of your shows um i've since come to know you and i've come to appreciate how i didn't know i didn't know him that well either apparently i know everything about john I'm the authority that you are an intelligence asset.
	That's just like we're all family.
	I've definitely come to appreciate you, but um, I do remember like one I I don't follow Vaca, but I I do remember one email that he uh that he said that um I had that you had savagely attacked people over Sandy Hook um uh which he I he identified as S H. And the truth was that um I I had uh that my Michael McKibben and Victor Hugo had invited me to collaborate with them on research.
	And um I turned them down after I saw Michael McKibben um publicly defame Sarah Westhall over a difference of opinion.
	And so I declined based based upon that.
	And then uh Victor, who had been a recipient of that email, rewrote it and he had it uh convey that I had you um attacking people over Sandy Hook, like um SW, which was never the intent uh of the message that was not the the meaning, and you weren't even the person communicated about or or involved in this.
	So that's what he does.
	He's a certain inserts himself into different controversies or different debates within the truth or movement and blows it up and you know throws shit all over it.
	That's just mean that's his tactic right there.
	That's why he's that's why he's after the he's I'm convinced he's after the truth community, uh the alt media.
	That's a that's his main target.
	Now, is he finished?
	That's the question you were asking.
	Well, it depends on how much money he inherited from daddy.
	That's the answer to that.
	He inherited a lot of money from daddy, which kind of looks like maybe he did.
	I could probably we could probably investigate that and run that.
	If promise is still paid him for every attack, and I think he's got to be paid by the piece.
	That's why they're so damn.
	But if he's working on daddy's money, then it doesn't really matter what promise gives him.
	You know, he can he could continue on if he's broke, like he tries to portray himself, you know.
	One time he said he's couch surfing.
	I don't believe that anymore.
	He had me fooled for a while.
	He'll fool you because it'll kind of stint send you off in other directions, making you make you think he's judgment proof.
	You know, there's no way to go after him, he's judgment proof, that type of thing.
	So Susan, I don't attack other people over at Sandy Hook, much less viciously.
	I mean, I've never actually seen you attack anybody.
	And I I never I never thought that about you, and it was never what you weren't even the person referenced.
	It was um I was actually taking Michael McKibben to task because he has run uh a lot of uh um I would say and forgive me, but defamation pieces again against many people in the truth community on his aim for truth site.
	And I believe that he was doing this because he was trying to get a um uh he's trying to get uh Donald Trump to sign off on a freedom press fund that he would preside over.
	So I think he was trying to get get involved in like a propaganda campaign funded by the federal government um to compensate him for you know uh his patent that he believes was stolen from Him.
	So uh that I was actually referring to Michael McKibben, and I I have you know similarly been um defamed on his website uh on false grounds, a lot of people have, and then I didn't tell Michael that I I thought that what he was doing was wrong and um very hurtful to the truth community.
	Because I have a reputation, and I don't want it sullied.
	I told you, if any of these allegations that these satanic Christians are making about me were true, you wouldn't be seeing me.
	I'd be gone, I'd be hiding.
	I'd be embarrassed.
	These are serious allegations they're making about me.
	You think I'd be showing them a face?
	Typically, you think I'm that good of an actor that I could say to pull it off.
	No, these people are evil.
	I don't associate with evil projection.
	You want to associate with evil, that's up to you.
	In the end, I'm not the one judging you.
	God will judge you.
	So here she is.
	She says, God does not give us the spirit of fear, and God hates cowards.
	He's also not very cool with liars, by the way, uh, VP.
	And you are a liar, and you're a Jew.
	So I get it.
	You can't help it.
	You're a Jew who's lying about not being a Jew.
	And and who is VP?
	I've I've lost track of who is VP.
	VP is an ally of Dustin Nemo's, and if Dustin Minos is here, maybe she he could get into that a little bit.
	But VP kind of inserted himself as a uh uh a truth teller about what was going on with Victor and and Dustin.
	Primarily VP is defending Dustin against Victor.
	So I don't have any strong opinion of him, but he's inserted himself into this dispute.
	And and he sent we're we're being CC'd on a lot of his mail come out, and then Victor takes the C the fact that we were CC'd to declare that we are involved in harassing Diane, whatever her name is, the mother.
	And I actually responded to that, and I wrote back to the 290 spam list.
	I said, if you if you're familiar with how the internet works, if you're new to email, a CC means you're a recipient of somebody's email, and then you have something called a sender.
	In this case, it was VP, and then and the the CCs were Fetzer, uh Hokley Hook and Bradford and me.
	We didn't send this email out.
	We're not the one sending the email to Son of Enos's mom.
	But see, but that's how he flies.
	So he twisted the ground.
	And I've actually discontinued that email account just to get away from him because of all he doxxed me, and I've had a lot of crazy emails sent to me, abusive emails prompted by him and people close to him.
	So I shut down that email address.
	I didn't even see the email.
	You know, I'm being accused of being part of this, which I had no, you know, no part of the case.
	Right.
	Because we were CC'd on an email.
	Somehow we're involved in this harassment campaign against Seneos' mom, and just totally ridiculous.
	And BP was the one that sent the email out.
	You know, whether it was justifiable or not, I don't know.
	It sounds like when I read the email that VP sent out, he's trying to get clarity from uh Nemo's uh Enos's mom about what was going on, you know, where he stand and Victor called that harassment and then associated us with it.
	Or a guy who's so um determined to out all the disinformation agents within the the truth community, he's very foot loose with the truth himself, like he doesn't know he um CC is not the sender of the email.
	Just just put that on the why would anyone think that?
	I mean, that's so blatantly obvious.
	Well, then they answered they answered me by saying, Oh, come on, Winter.
	You know, we why would you be uh why would you be listed as a CC on this email going out to the mother?
	Fuck, I don't know.
	No idea that it's deliberate sabotage.
	I mean it's it's obvious.
	Don't they know who they're dealing with here?
	It's uh guilt guilt by association, and and I I think that um Victor has tried to do this the same for himself.
	Like uh he has um juxtaposed his own name with the Museum of Modern Art in New York to make it look as though he you know they're recognizing him as a great artist.
	So it's kind of like he tries to put these two elements together so you associate one with the other.
	So he's both defame and to promote yeah, huge amount of grandiosity, huge amount of grandiosity, just a classic uh mental illness, really.
	He's psychopathic, very low empathy, a lot of grandiosity, a lot of paranoia, and like I say, he looks like death wormed over.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I I think his I think he's gonna last a while because he's got daddy's money, but he may peel over a heart attack any day.
	Which is of course what you do.
	Do you get it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	The number of us that are stepping up to psychotic bullies like Victor is growing.
	Yeah, I notice it because it's all projection and inversion.
	If you see anybody coming after me with anything other than verifiable proof, like I said, James Spencer went on the Stu Peters Network and claimed that he had a 16-page rap sheet on me.
	What he failed to say was that the police were refusing to acknowledge it, that it's not true.
	It's like I could sit here and write up a 60-page rap sheet on James Fetzer and all of the pedophilia that he's been up to, according to Sandy Hook promise, of course.
	But this is ridiculous.
	I never said anything about a 16-bit rap sheet on Stu Peters.
	I was only on Steve Peters talking about JFK.
	I was not Sue Peter talking about Victor.
	I well, I thought it would be a good idea potentially to talk with Stu about Peters as we've both been subject to his horrific attacks that are utterly unfounded.
	But he's just making it up more rubbish.
	I mean, just again and again, it's an endless stream.
	And the fact that the I haven't got confirmation from the Florida barber law enforcement doesn't mean any of it's false.
	Russ is implied he thinks some of it's false, but I don't have any reason one way or another.
	I do not know.
	I only that the PI advised me I ought not to share it unless Florida.
	If you don't have it, have it correct, then you can't use it.
	As simple as that.
	But he but notice how he just grasps at it and tries to insert it into a show you did with Stu Peter, so then that kind of smears Sue Peters because Sue Peters had you on, and supposedly you talked about the rap sheet, you know, that kind of thing.
	He just does it.
	I mean, look at him.
	Look how red and f and deviant he is.
	He's just totally deviant.
	He's gonna die.
	Can you can you imagine 24-7?
	He's up all night like a vampire, just living your life 24-7 like this, angry all the time, high blood pressure.
	I mean, uh he's 55 years old.
	I'm almost 75 years old.
	Look at that.
	You look at the bigger thing.
	Look at the difference between the two of us.
	You look how bad he is.
	But I had I have to really I have to watch this behavior too.
	The behavior he's he's dwelling into the darkness that he's into.
	I have to watch it too.
	Every, you know, everybody that's sort of into this shit has to watch it.
	But he just he there's no checks and balances on his life.
	It's all about defamation, being butthurt, and uh you know, going after his enemies in any way possible, and an awful lot of obfuscation and lying and just making shit up.
	Well, I think I actually oh sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead, Susan.
	Yeah, I've actually seen the the 16-page rap sheet, and um I'm not gonna divulge the contents, but the the impression it gives is somebody who has aliases potentially, and he according to the the PI who uses different social security numbers and moves around a lot, there are multiple, multiple, multiple addresses here and bankruptcy.
	Well, they're different things in the different um uh the problems from in his background.
	Um, but I I I've I've seen it and I I remember that um that Vaca, one of the reasons i think he targeted you is that um he he told he had told me after i appeared on his show that he said you know i i got an offer to be a major radio host and i i'm i'm on the way up i've got big things coming and i want you to appear eventually so i think he was talking about revolution radio he thought that was his big ticket to great things and when he was fired from that in your show i think that that crushed him like
	He, you know, that was like a dream that he had maybe.
	And so like a lot of his dreams that didn't work out.
	He got crushed by his own behaviors.
	You know, he could have gone off of Jim's show in fine shape.
	He could have just acted normally.
	You know, I don't think anybody would.
	I never hold any big grudge against him for leaving the show.
	But then his behavior sense has just been outrageous and getting worse and worse and worse.
	So, you know, he's wrecking his health.
	It's obvious.
	Now, maybe I'll die before he is.
	But if I were a betting man, I'd bet on me over him.
	You look healthier than he does today, Ross.
	You may be 20 years old, but you look a whole lot more healthy.
	Yeah, I have my health problems.
	I got to watch it.
	Yeah, but I mean, the point is you look healthier than he does, even though he's 20 years, you're junior.
	Right.
	Well, he's hugely obese.
	He's, you know, 5'2".
	And what?
	He looks like Santa Claus.
	350 pounds, something like that.
	You know, there's some old clips of him as a younger guy where he looked pretty damn heavy and round.
	You know, the clip of him promoting pornography, going to, you know, pornography conventions and smut conventions and doing reports on that.
	He was pretty, he looked pretty rotund on that.
	And that was probably 20 years ago.
	interested when he was having you on his shows he obviously had God but it's in you he was sharing his aspirations you know I I didn't think taking him off the shows was particularly a big deal but apparently he did he really reacted very very strongly to that I I wrote him when I was a little more on a little more friendly terms and just advised him to just let it go and go do what you do good.
	I thought it was amazing how he would get on people's shows.
	He just landed gigs everywhere.
	So he's very talented at that.
	And he could have taken that and taken the high road.
	But something's happened here.
	And, you know, I got to believe that his mission is destruction.
	He's a destroyer.
	Initially, that was, you know, why I tried to help him.
	I thought, you know, he was talented and sincere.
	And I provided him research and some information for different topics that he might want to explore.
	And everything that I wrote to him, he turned around.
	He misrepresented.
	He tried to, you know, to use against me.
	But that was why I had reached out to him to say, I think you should be maybe you would want to consider not attacking Jim.
	I was fond of you.
	I thought I had a good relationship with Victor.
	And he said, after I sent him that email, he said, for meddling in an area where you don't belong, I'm going to ruin you.
	I am going to destroy your reputation.
	You had no business commenting.
	And he's done that.
	You know, but I thought that I had a good enough relationship with him where he might have heeded, you know.
	But there he is admitting he's a reputation wrecking ball.
	You're right.
	Which he's attributed to me.
	I mean, after when my San Diego friends told me, you know, Promise had hired him, I was told he's known as the angel of death because of his capacity to wreck people's reputation.
	And I went to AI and I got confirmation that he's known as the angel of death.
	I used to think he had some communication talent, but now I just think he's a total one-trick pony.
	And a very dark, dark one.
	But we'll see if anybody wants to make any bets on who dies first, me or Victor.
	Go.
	I think you'd like to have one, Russ.
	Very dark.
	I used to think.
	I'm interested in this, the time when you invited me.
	Victor were in a positive relationship.
	Tell us more about it.
	Me?
	I'm not sure that it was necessarily positive.
	Um I mean, the first time uh I I actually had contacted him because he was going after Dr. Sheba for having invented the internet.
	And I suggested that he interview Michael McKibben since Michael McKibben's patent was allegedly behind you know the creation of the internet.
	Um and he responded by inviting me on a show once with myself, and then the next with uh Michael McKibben.
	Uh on the first show, um, he had asked me at one point um what I thought about um Jeff.
	Oh if I if I thought it was possible to be uh in the club and also a truther uh to be truthful.
	And I had mentioned Jeff Rentz, who had had hosted me a number of times.
	I said, This is a person he was of the establishment, but he's also very truthful.
	Um somehow the way I phrased that didn't come out right, and I suggested that Vaca maybe take that part out because it might be used against Jeff, you know, um, or it could, you know, it might harm my relationship with Jeff.
	Um Vaka uh said, Don't worry about it, nobody will even notice.
	So immediately thereafter, he actually cut that segment out, promoted it everywhere, trying to create a controversy about it.
	He then tried to leverage that to get on the show with Jeff Rens to me.
	So Jeff would have to defend himself.
	What do you mean?
	You're all you're asking.
	Uh classic, classic.
	Come on the show and defend yourself, right?
	I mean, he he for a while, he was once a month he would invite me on the show, and the last answer I gave to him was very simple.
	Grandiosity much.
	Yeah, that's that's true.
	That's that's very true.
	Um, and then on the second are you afraid to come on my show, my show, because my show is the is the shits, man.
	This is the show to be on.
	Grandiosity much.
	Very true.
	Um, and then on the second show with McKibben, I I think I felt kind of set up like they were both trying to prove that I'm secretly uh a deep state agent, you know.
	There, and so I I tried to ride ride that wave.
	Um, and then I asked this is pretty early on what you're talking about.
	This is early on.
	Yeah, this is early on.
	I was a little put off by that, but then the two of them had invited me to be on to join them on uh Michael McKibben's private platform on Leaders Technology to share show ideas and to do this away from you know the set you know surveillance, you know, government surveillance.
	Um so I offered a few show ideas on that platform and different topics, and those were the things that Vaca has twisted and he's misrepresented that I said this, that, and the other.
	So he's he's evolved from these little dirty tricks to now putting your head on a on a granny.
	That's the one.
	Well, I think that the way that came about is that he he was um uh on the one hand, he was saying, Susan, come on my show, defend yourself.
	And I said, No, I don't want to come on my your your show.
	Um, I blocked him, and then Jim had attempted to have him arrested.
	Um, and then I think he was a little frightened and unnerved by this.
	He emailed me at my website or somebody did, it could have been Jane, but it was from VH from Yahoo and AOL.
	Please, Susan, please meet me in Europe.
	You've got to meet me.
	Um, and so I had written him back.
	Um, Victor, I don't want to meet you, I don't want to talk to you, I don't want to appear on your show.
	Um, he continued to tell people Susan's gonna appear on my show, even though I said not to.
	And um, since I had blocked him, there were some emails coming in from people who he had CC'd who then responded to those emails.
	And I read one where it said that um he was saying Susan just needs a man to love her or something to that effect.
	And I just said, you know, Victor, please stop.
	I'm not interested in you.
	And so I think that he somehow um transformed that to me.
	Well, I I would never be interested in you anyway.
	Here's you on a granny body.
	You're you know, you're mentally ill.
	That effect.
	I mean, it's completely bizarre.
	Some of it's pretty satirical.
	I guess that's why people get sucked in on it a little bit because they're sadistic too.
	So he's sadistic.
	He tracks a very sadistic crowd, but I don't think he even has them anymore.
	He's you know, he lost his, he lost his audience, the audience that he had he he had some big views back in COVID days doing that shtick.
	He had built himself up pretty good.
	He's lost a lot of that.
	And it's really a shame.
	Actually, one of his big draws was going on dust with Dustin Nemo's.
	There he would get a lot of eyeballs and clicks and views.
	So he's lost that.
	It's really a shame because I think he is a talented communicator, but he's using it for evil purposes.
	And he's definitely creating a lot of discord when he could be bringing people together.
	Yeah, really facilitating good dialogue.
	I don't think there's any redeeming qualities of the guy.
	Well, at this point, I would tend to agree with you, but at one time he did seem to have some you know promise.
	Well, it's quite a saga.
	Just astonishing to me that this guy continues to pump out these sadistic videos attacking everyone.
	I thought it was uh fascinating to have one of his seemingly staunch supporters, Justin Nemos, have a falling out.
	And I would have very much liked to have had him here today to give us his his insights about Victor Hugo to compare with our own.
	And Dustin, I just say um we missed you today.
	Uh too bad.
	I think it would have been a good idea.
	And I I'm interested too, Russ, in your observation that Victor could have been piggybacking on Dustin because Dustin seemed to have a far larger audience than does Victor.
	Clearly, yeah.
	Clearly.
	And Justin's audience uh is the persona non grata on those his channel.
	Because amazingly enough, um Dustin has some fairly loyal followers and viewers.
	I don't know.
	I mean, I I don't I don't follow Dustin enough to really get into this guy's heart and what he's all about, so I don't really want to judge him.
	But I I differ story with Victor.
	I've definitely judged him.
	Well, I think it's fascinating that they had this falling out, and I think there's probably a lot to be learned if one is so disposed about both from their exchanges.
	But we wanted to hear it right from Dustin about his up close and personal experiences.
	We wish it had happened.
	A final thought Justin, if you if you answer this, you know, if you answer this video, which you're certainly entitled to do, we would just ask you to kind of refrain from calling us all pedophiles or whatever you want to, you know, whatever homonyms you like to use.
	Let's see if you can do, you know, debate this in a normal fashion, going over the points that we've made, maybe correcting some of our observations, maybe endorsing some of our observations, where we're right, where we're wrong, to kind of move to the truth of this matter dispute, especially the son of Eno's things.
	You know, give us some uh insights about that, because we don't know.
	We're kind of speculating a little bit on that.
	But it doesn't spat to us, it doesn't uh pass a smell test.
	something's really off.
	Russ, it's wonderful to have you here today.
	But if we missed our featured guest...
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