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	Well, this is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Raw Deal.
	This 15th day of October, 2025, right here on Revolution Radio Studio B.
	This is going to be an unusual feature today rather than the usual fearsome threesome, though I am joined by Russ Winter and by Susan Bradford.
	We have a special guest who has yet to make a debut here, Dustin Nemos, who's long been affiliated with Victor Hugo Vaca II, but has had a falling out and has been severely critical.
	So we wanted to seize the opportunity to discuss with Dustin his experiences with Victor, but he's not here.
	I don't know.
	Russ, what would this mean if Dustin's a no-show?
	Well, it could just mean that he doesn't arrive on time and he's not reliable, and he could show up late.
	That's a possibility.
	I put that out there.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	And you're not to be overly critical, Dustin, because a lot of people are that way.
	So that's okay.
	Susan, your thoughts.
	Well, I would have thought he would have maybe sent you an email to let you know that he was running late.
	So maybe he will be a no-show for today.
	I'd love to talk to him.
	Hopefully, he will show up.
	Well, just to show what we have in mind here, if you go to the latest, well, this is a Jim Fetzer, Dustin Nemos debate.
	We did have a debate, he and I, about a year ago on evolution, flat earth, worldwide, flood.
	This is way back in September.
	And it turned out Victor turned it into about a dozen different little video clips.
	But what's happening right now is if you go to Jim Fetzer, Victor Hugo, Jim Fetzer, we're now up to 902 of these videos, many of which have Dustin's name on them.
	But Russ, could you give us a little recap of lately?
	Okay, he's had a falling out, and then maybe he can explain the details of it.
	Because I don't know.
	I think Victor and his crowd just thinks we're in on all this.
	He thinks that you are the spingale that just pulls the strings on all this stuff.
	And we don't really know.
	We don't really know.
	I'd just like to hear it from Dustin himself, let him put his piece in.
	But Victor's really butthurt on this.
	And when Victor gets butthurt, he'll put up eight videos a day running for weeks on end.
	And I said when this started, I said to you guys, I said, what's this?
	Butthurt, Victor's going to run weeks and weeks of smear videos against Dustin Nemos.
	And that's exactly what's happened.
	And it's just typical.
	He really can't get along for long periods of time with anybody.
	He's a very difficult individual.
	And so people have fallings out.
	And this is just par for the course.
	But it keeps him amused, apparently.
	Now, we've been kind of speculating here before the show that maybe Victor's got a lot of money.
	You know, maybe he's kind of got us fooled that he's not living in a janitor's closet in Batumi, that he's pretty flush.
	He's probably a trust baby, apparently had a wealthy dad.
	So he probably has a big inheritance.
	And maybe he's paying, he pays a lot of these clapping seals, including Dustin Nemos, to come on his show.
	So I would like to hear Dustin answer to that.
	Did you ever get paid by Victor Hugo?
	What's the story with Victor Hugo's wealth?
	Does he have any?
	Because I can't believe that he can subsist in a foreign country without some pretty good money on hand.
	You just can't do it.
	You can't come to Europe or whatever and just plop down and be a homeless person.
	It's not practical and it's not realistic.
	Just an aside for those watching the program, I have a bandage on the right side of my face from the removal of a skin cancer that occurred yesterday.
	And when they close it, they make an incision down the jawline.
	So this is for 48 hours and then it takes about two weeks to heal altogether, but all is well.
	The surgeon's brilliant.
	I've been exceptionally happy with the medicine.
	I think you're going to get right back out there in the sun, right?
	Doing gardening.
	I don't know if the sun actually has anything to do with it or not, Ross.
	Susan, 902 videos.
	And of course, some have been taken down.
	I mean, I'm going to guess a number would be closer to probably maybe 20, somewhere between 20 and 50, I suppose, overall.
	These ones have been taken down.
	But 902, that's quite an impressive number.
	What do you think this is all about, Susan?
	What's your theory of Victor Hugo Vaca II?
	It's a very good question.
	I think that part of this is just his personality.
	He's very vindictive.
	And once he, you know, as Russ said, he gets hurt that something has offended him, he retaliates.
	And this has been his pattern for decades.
	But I think there's also a political agenda behind this.
	And if, you know, I don't know if you, how much of, you know, some of my articles you've followed, but part of this appears to be doing damage control for Alex Jones, given that you're the last man standing who hasn't retracted your statements.
	Alex Jones, I guess he lost his appeal on his $1.5 billion judgment or so.
	And then you find a lot of these different networks who are supporting Victor and who are amplifying his defamation.
	They all kind of center around these different financial networks, LinkedIn with the Infowars and then with Jeff Berwick.
	And it's the same kind of group of individuals and networks who are just dedicated single-mindedly to defaming you and to defaming anyone around you so that you'll become so unsavory that nobody will want to platform you, associate with you, buy your books.
	Well, then they spin what they can do is they can spin off from the Jim Fetzer defamation to nail a lot of other people.
	So I don't think it's just Jim.
	I think it's the, I mean, Jim's got the headlines in 900 videos.
	He's been a target.
	But as it's evolved and morphed, he just goes after more and more and more people.
	He can tries to intimidate a lot of people, drags more people's name into the mud.
	And the challenge I've always had, you know, in the beginning, it was just accusing people of cowardice.
	Okay, all right, that's that's acceptable behavior.
	And then it kind of went to backstabbing, you know, his personal vendetta, his butt hurt shit.
	But now it's expanded into just accusing everybody of being a pedophile.
	And so I don't know how can how can a guy living in a janitor's closet in Batumi, Republic of Georgia, that doesn't even have a cell phone get the dirt on so many people on the in the alt media.
	Well, the answer, of course, is he just makes it up.
	He does not have the technology.
	He doesn't have the means.
	He doesn't have the investigative skills.
	Now, I'll tell you who does have investigative skills is Susan Bradford.
	Oh, I agree.
	Susan is impressed the hell out of me.
	She has so far.
	You really barked up the wrong tree, Victor.
	Here, you really have.
	Years of experience.
	We are great fans, Susan.
	I mean, you are so thorough and meticulous.
	I've been very, very impressed.
	Continue, continue.
	Thank you.
	I think the other point is, you know, why does he do this?
	I think he's in search of, you know, the latest scandal that will give him a lot of attention.
	So, first, it was, I think it was P. Diddy that didn't work out.
	And he tried to jump on the General Flynn's a pedophile scandal that kind of didn't physically pan out for him.
	And then I think he then latched on to this Sandy Hook thing.
	And maybe he thinks that this will kind of sail him into kind of notoriety and help elevate his standing.
	And he also seems to kind of want to emulate himself or mirror himself after Howard Stern, like to be a shock dock and to you know, shock people into following him.
	But I think it's part of it's a strategy, you know, to get attention.
	Well, he's he's had several iterations.
	The facts have come out.
	There's several people that make videos on bit shoot that have dug stuff up.
	And one of them is he promotes, you know, he's a big promoter of pornography and smut.
	He has a product called that he promotes and holds it up to the screen called Enal Ease.
	He has a real fixation with that, sodomy.
	So he kind of went through that phase.
	I mean, now that he's trying to pretend like he's a Christian, he doesn't try, he doesn't do that as much.
	He kind of covers it up.
	And then he moves on to China and engaged in wearing masks and fear porn around COVID.
	He did an iteration there.
	So he's always kind of morphing into some shtick, you know, new shtick.
	And so the new latest shtick is to bring down the good chunk of the alt media or anybody that doesn't cater to him or pat his head or give him accolades or diffuses to let him on shows.
	I mean, Victor, come on.
	You know, a lot of people refuse to let me on shows.
	I very rarely get invited on shows.
	You know, what's the heck's wrong with you, you diva?
	You know, now I can understand why they hazed the hell out of him in the Naval Academy.
	It makes total sense now.
	Well, of course, you're right that it began with calling Brian Davidson a coward when he took exception to that's nothing compared to where he's gone.
	He calls everybody a pedophile.
	Constant Mantra, it's the Jews, it's the Jews, which he endlessly spewed.
	And I wonder, you know, a couple aspects of this.
	I think Brian was completely in the right in saying the situation is more complex.
	For example, we had the Jews against genocide who occupied Grand Central Station.
	That was early on.
	And I thought that was very impressive.
	I thought that was all normal controversy.
	You know, none of that ever bothered me, the stuff about the feud with Brian.
	It never bothered me.
	Then what I got bothered is when all of a sudden he comes up with this cockamini story that you threw your Sandy Hook case.
	Yeah.
	And then he accelerated from that.
	And all he does now is just fuse more and more people, pedophilia.
	He put up a horrible, just a horrible message in my email.
	He's using the mails.
	He's using the mails to spread some of his worst work.
	He did this the other day through Jane Abba Tracy.
	Now, where I was going, Russ, was just to expand how when I spoke up to defend Brian, when I took him off two shows, Truth versus News in this show, because at the time we were the fearsome forsome, he reacted very, very badly.
	He got furious.
	And everyone who spoke up to say anything on my behalf, that, for example, this idea of having thrown my Sandy Hook case was rubbish, became a target.
	And it grew and grew.
	So I had, we had Susan, we had Carl, we had Joachim.
	And he keeps citing this AirSat's lawyer from Ohio, Wynne Young, who's never read any of my briefs.
	He claims it's a virtue to not look at my actual lawsuit because he knows independently of experiencing anything I've written or submitted that I threw the case because I didn't attempt to transfer it to federal court on grounds of diversity or because federal questions about freedom of speech and of the press were involved.
	Whereas I was the defendant and I couldn't find a lawyer to represent me.
	I was out there, you know, ship without a boat without a paddle.
	I was trying to figure out which end was up, but I believed from what I understood about the law that I've had the opportunity to present all of my evidence accumulated and published in the book, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, where I had brought together 13 experts, including six PhDs, where we established the school being closed by 2008, that there were no students or teachers there, and it had been a FEMA drill presented as mass murder to promote gun control,
	where we even had the manual and included it in the book.
	I thought I could get all that into court and have it, as it were, vindicated by the judicial process, which is why I responded positively when I was issued a summons, a complaint.
	And then I discovered during the scheduling conference, the judge wouldn't allow me, allow any of my evidence to be admitted on the absurd grounds that, since I was being sued over the authenticity of a death certificate cut,
	that according to the judge, my theory of the case, that it hadn't been real, that had been a FEMA drill, was irrelevant to the truth or the accuracy of the death certificate when it said right on the death certificate that party had died at Sandy Hill like a multiple gunshot wounds.
	Susan, couldn't you think of anything more absurd, both logically and legally?
	It was absurd.
	And I think, too, there's also kind of an interesting backstory to this.
	When I was looking into Baca's background, he was trying to promote some kind of propaganda that the Chinese were spreading some type of virus.
	It was some group that was financially backing Victor.
	And one of the first people to pick it up and run with maybe the only person was Owen Schroyer of InfoWars.
	And Owen Schroyer, among his guests, was Todd Callaner, who then joined in his defamation with Wynne Young against you.
	And I thought it was interesting.
	I watched some of the depositions for InfoWars during the Sandy Hook judgment.
	And apparently, Alex Jones had said that he never reviewed any of the evidence.
	He relied upon his researchers.
	The researcher in question was Owen Schroyer.
	And Owen Schroer had read your book.
	So once Alex Jones had kind of, as they said, thrown the case, that led Owen to have, you know, mud on his face.
	And I think that a lot of people blamed you for that.
	And I think that since you're the last man standing, blamed me for what exactly?
	I think that you're writing the book, that they blamed you for, that they attributed their work to you.
	And by having to retract it publicly, I think that they one person has to be discredited.
	Either they ran with your work, taking you for a face value, therefore they're at fault, or you're at fault for having misreported.
	And I think that they decided to make it to blame you for your reporting.
	But of course, it's ridiculous.
	I mean, even the members of the Sandy Hook community love the book.
	I mean, two of them reached out to me when I got entangled in this legal case to issue their support and provide lots of substantiation, including the Connecticut FEMA schedule showing this is exercise 366 right on there.
	Well, you know, it kind of looks like this Win Young thing is kind of fizzled out.
	Win Young rarely comes on his shows.
	I mean, but it's morphed on.
	Now it's gone into a really awful phase of just smearing people with pedophilia and God knows what.
	I mean, child abuse.
	So he, so he's really entered into a really dark, awful phase.
	And the reason for it is the cause of this is the failure of these platforms, BitChute and Rumble, to police their platforms.
	And therefore, he's gotten carte blanche to just do anything, say anything, do anything outrageous that he wants because he knows he won't be touched.
	So he experimented with it.
	Starts out kind of mild, got worse and worse and worse.
	And you can just see an escalation of attacks on more and more people and worse and worse attacks.
	And there doesn't seem to be any end of it.
	And then he just recycles and recycles and recycles.
	He doesn't even care about his audience that he's lost his audience.
	So I found out that he actually had 5,000 or 6,000 subscribers during, and some of these videos he was making during COVID, he would get 5,000 views.
	I watched one of them where he's talking, you know, yet he does one early on with Last Dutchman, when he goes to Georgia, where he claims that he was offered millions of dollars to sell vaccines and masks and by the Chinese.
	And then because he's such a good guy, he turned the offer down.
	While six months earlier, he's on a beach all masked up and putting out fear porn.
	So he did a little switcheroo there.
	I think you hit the nail on the head.
	Both BitChute and Rumble are free speech absolutist platforms.
	That means it means anything goes.
	And Victor has even said that he's doing what he's doing because he can't be policed.
	And he knows that they can't.
	And I think under free speech absolutism, the idea is to push the boundaries of free speech to see how far you can go to legally get away with it.
	And then you've got the Jeff Berwick angle.
	And of course, Jeff Berwick is an anarchist.
	He's promoting this crypto capital anarchy.
	And I think that they're promoting anarchy on the platforms.
	You know, like it just kind of creating chaos that no rules apply, no morals apply.
	Anything goes.
	But of course, even though they're free speech platforms, they have conditions.
	They have terms of service to preclude defamation, harassment, bullying.
	Victor's proved that they don't have any service.
	No, no, Russ, Russ, Russ.
	The point being, it's not the case that anything can go.
	There are laws that are being violated.
	They're not enforcing them.
	Which are not being enforced, which is why I brought the lawsuits against both Rumble and BitChute, and where they're vulnerable because they participated in these offenses themselves.
	If they had not, they might be able to preserve their right to have it resolved by arbitration rather than in the federal courts, where I think a jury is going to be appalled once they get a look at what Victor has done here.
	I mean, there's no set of circumstances under which, however, he may have felt offended by Brian Davidson excusing himself from future shows because he thought Victor's, it's the Jews mantra was excessive and oversimplification, could justify 100 of these videos, much less 200, 300.
	And now we're up to over 900.
	And he's drawn in so many people.
	So what I was going to finish with is his audience has collapsed.
	He's had all these subscribers.
	He had lots of views.
	And it's funny, you know, Charlie Carter will put up an anti-Victor Hugo video that'll get more views than Victor does now.
	Especially since this Dustin Nemo stuff has developed, his audience has really turned on him.
	They're just telling him, knock it off.
	I'm not listening to you anymore.
	You've lost all your credibility.
	But he doesn't care because he's just so he's just so much on the attack.
	And right now it's with Dustin Nemos.
	And I don't know, he'll have some new hobby soon enough.
	SGT report.
	I mean, let's go through some of them that he's attacked.
	Jet SDT report, what X22 report?
	What are they?
	You know them.
	Yeah, there's quite a few.
	Naomi Fagan at Hope Girl.
	He's been very nasty.
	And accusing everybody of being a pedo, just one after another.
	You're absolutely right, Ross.
	I mean, it's monotonous.
	How can it be?
	Everyone's a pedophile, even the leading expert on pedophilian politics in the world today.
	Joaquina Gobin is supposed to be a pedophile.
	He describes it as an alleged pedophile.
	Well, who alleged it is a pedophile?
	Victor!
	So Victor cited himself to say Joaquin's an alleged pedophile because Victor's alleged.
	Yeah, alleged as a code world for the dumb shits that listen to him.
	Alleged.
	So he's some.
	Somehow he's got good information that so-and-so is a pedophile, whoever he, whoever he's got a uh pissing contest with at any particular point in time.
	It's amazing he just has no restraint on it.
	You know, if he wanted to be credible he would probably back off a little bit and not use this accusation enough and try to just deal with the arguments one on hand.
	But instead he just goes to extreme ad hominems and extreme smears and here and here we are waiting for our day in court as this evidence just keeps piling up and piling up, more and more of it, more of them to go into our affidavits, our discovery against Bit Shooting and Rumble and he, he probably is taking those.
	He could end up taking those networks down, platforms down.
	But people have a right to defend against being defamed and smeared.
	Sorry, that's how our system works.
	So it's their responsibility to deal with this.
	And Victor probably is the guy that maybe that's part of his mission is destroy free speech on the internet.
	Well, you know, the mainstream is sinking fast, is just disappearing.
	Attention is very much shifting to the alternative media.
	No one has any faith in the networks.
	The Zionists have just bought CBS.
	I mean, there's a once great news organization.
	Down the tube forever TICK TOCK is now being managed by a former IDF as the censor and going out and destroying, taking out old videos.
	We'll be right back with Russ Winter and Susan Bradford.
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	now we return you to your host well before we turn to anything new susan you were observing how victor has said we're doing this for alex jones could you Could you expand upon that?
	How I'm somehow in the way or an obstacle?
	So if you kind of follow the money and follow the connections, just to paint a picture, we can, you know, guess or kind of to estimate why they're doing what their motivation is.
	Originally, once he fell out from your show, he then began to attack you over Sandy Hook.
	I think that was his next thing.
	He was doing, Victor was doing Victor.
	And then he immediately partnered with Todd Callender.
	Todd Callender was a regular guest on Owen Schwarier's show.
	And they were targeting you.
	I know that Victor had said himself, he said, Jim is in the way of what we are trying to do for Sandy Hook.
	So what were they trying to do?
	I think it was damage control.
	For Alex Jones, for Alex Jones.
	For Alex Jones.
	But on the one hand, you see this interesting dynamic.
	He's kind of working against Alex Jones because he's saying, well, Alex Jones threw the case.
	And on the other hand, he's working with Alex Jones.
	So, how would you reconcile that?
	And I think that the connection there, just my guess, would be Owen Schroer.
	Owen Schroyer has, you know, he's run with some of Vaca's reporting.
	He has hosted a Todd Callender who was enlisted against you.
	And Alex Jones has said that, well, as we know, his case was produced, co-produced, and co-managed by HBO.
	HBO, their parent company is Sandy Hook Promise, which you know is financing the attack against you.
	Interestingly enough, the other parties that Vaca, who Vaca has enlisted against you, were Max Egan, Jeff Berwick, and this Jane character, Jane Ava Tracy.
	Well, Jane Berwick, rather, he hosted, he created a show back in 2022, The Anarchist, which was also produced by HBO.
	So he's got this in with HBO, which is also whose parent company is Sandy Hook.
	And then if we look back at why aren't the platforms enforcing their laws or enforcing the terms of service, Sandy Hook Promise was established on know your signs, like the know your signs of a shooter.
	Those signs were conceived by Dan Bongino.
	He was one of the, he was the former Secret Service officer for Obama.
	Immediately after the shooting, he came forward to offer his expertise on Know the Signs.
	Those were the signs that then became the basis for Sandy Hook Promise.
	And then we know that both the Democrats and the Republicans were hashing in on Sandy Hook Promise.
	On the Democratic side, they're trying to take the guns.
	On the Republican side, they are grifting off of defense contracts.
	Like Eric Prince, for example, wanted to get a multi-million dollar contract to provide security for all the schools throughout the nation.
	This was an idea that was promoted by the NRA, which was making money hand over fist over concerns and fears that the Democrats were going to grab the guns.
	And then among the hosts of the NRA during this period was Dan Bongino.
	Dan Bongino was also the one of the hosts who Alex Jones created.
	He helped launch Dan Bongino's social media career.
	So without him, he wouldn't be where he is today.
	And of course, Bongino amplified Alex Jones' narrative on Sandy Hook.
	Dan Bongino has since become a leading investor in Rumble.
	He's now deputy director of the FBI.
	His employer, the Department of Justice, is managing public funds that are given to Sandy Hook Promise.
	So his employer, he has a vested interest through his employer, through his own involvement to kind of maintain this narrative.
	And then among Dan Bongino's leading investment partners in social media is Jeffrey Wernick.
	Jeffrey Wernick is promoting this free speech absolutist culture.
	Among his partners in this deal are our ex, Elon Musk, which hosted a dialogue on X with Alex Jones and with Laura Loomer and some of their other, you know, their team, where Alex Jones was given an opportunity to kind of redeem himself.
	Like, okay, look, I didn't know that these professors referring to you were incorrect.
	I believe that children died.
	Yeah, he retracted his statements and named Jim or blamed Jim without actually naming him.
	And so you can see kind of a damage control there that they're trying to engage in damage control.
	And Jeffrey Wernick, among his social media partners, like Facebook and Meta, for example, are corporate partners of Sandy Hook Promise.
	So there's a lot of overlap there.
	And so I think that they're, this is my own, my own opinion.
	I think they're trying to do damage control for Alex Jones because he has one of the most widely viewed platforms and most profitable platforms in the country that is supporting Donald Trump.
	And I think that his platform is so critical for the alt-right and the independent social media that a lot of people want to defend him to make sure that he's viable.
	The problem is that he has gone along with the Sandy Hook promise narrative.
	He's retracted his statements.
	And then here you are still promoting that narrative.
	And so I think they're concerned about, you know, what would be the repercussions if your case is overturned, your defamation case, and if your research, you know, gains credibility, you know, and then is more widely accepted because that would have significant legal ramifications for all the people who maybe went along with a falsehood.
	Let's explore this anarcho angle a little bit because this one's fascinating.
	Did you actually watch the film that they made?
	Have you had a chance to watch it?
	I haven't, but I have.
	I saw some clips of it.
	Okay, within this film is an individual that we believe is Jane Avatracy.
	So Jane Ava Tracy is in Acapulco.
	She's a fugitive from the law on various drug charges in Ohio.
	Is that correct?
	She's from Wisconsin.
	And it's interesting.
	In an earlier conversation in chat with Jane Ava Tracy, when I caught her stealing and utilizing the meme or the face of a professor at the University of Maryland, she was using her face.
	She claimed that, well, the reason she was using her face is because she admired, she kind of lost, she kind of lost her narrative and said, well, I'm using this face because I admired her and I had met her at a meeting at University of Michigan and I'm from Michigan, blah, blah, blah.
	And it's interesting that when you finally tracked her down, find out who she was, that she said she's from Michigan.
	Some little small town, Iron, Michigan is where she said she was from.
	That's what she told me on chat.
	I could find that, except for Charlie, for some reason, Charlie Carter decided to take my comments down.
	That's back when he didn't know any better.
	But I did see that her, according to the news reports about her arrest, she, yes, she was, she has these ties to Michigan.
	She was in.
	Her name is Miranda Webb.
	Is that right?
	Miranda Webb, she also goes by the name of Lily Forrester.
	So she uses different aliases.
	And she's in Acapulco.
	She was down there with a boyfriend, apparently, according to news stories.
	Her boyfriend was shot, shot dead.
	It's a dangerous place.
	Acapulco is a dangerous place, especially if you're into drug dealing.
	You know, it's a dangerous place.
	So he got shot in the head.
	So her boyfriend was murdered.
	And then according to her comments.
	She's obviously hooked up with Jeff Berwick and this anarchist crowd because she appeared years ago in their film.
	So here she is involved with Victor Hugo Vaca.
	So, this stuff runs pretty deep.
	There's an anarcho element to this.
	She appeared.
	I mean, Jeff Berwick was a star of that film, and she her aspirations was to lead an anacropulco conference.
	Like, she wanted to be one of the leaders.
	Well, it explains why Jeff Berwick has totally failed to vet Victor, and he just promotes him.
	I don't think he's doing as much anymore.
	He's kind of backed away from it because he can smell problems, so he backs away.
	But he's never denounced Victor.
	He's just sort of ignores him now.
	But he never vetted him.
	He never went like a lot of these guys.
	That's what I just kind of, if anybody's out there been paid by Victor, please come forward.
	This is be totally confidential and let us know if you've been paid for a Stephen Clapping Seal role on one of his shows because he draws a lot of people in over and over.
	He gets a huge number of kind of strange, often criminals.
	We can mention one of them in particular that we did a background check on.
	It was Corey Maselli.
	Maselli.
	You want to show his rap sheet?
	Corey or Maselli came.
	I've never quite got a fix on Jeff Berwick.
	Exactly.
	Who is Jeff Berwick, Susan?
	Can you help me?
	He's an anarchist.
	He's an anarchist.
	I think he shot, he shot to fame, I think, during the Obama administration.
	He was a leading kind of crypto guy.
	And he wanted to promote this kind of freedom with Ron Paul.
	And I know that a lot of people revere Ron Paul.
	He was one of the leaders wanting to audit the Fed.
	But then notice that Ron Paul doesn't say, well, we need to take the printing of money back to his constitutional role within the federal government within a proper representative government.
	Instead, he says, take the printing of money outside the government and promote it and use cryptos.
	Well, what he's doing is he's taking it outside all regulation and putting it into the hands globally of the Rothschilds.
	So this is kind of like they're involved with a lot of cryptocurrencies.
	And from what I was able to gather with this anacropolco group, there are opportunities for investing in cryptos with real estate, alternative living, anarchy.
	Like they wanted to do that.
	They had these regular meetings.
	They had one in Serbia recently, which Victor was invited to speak at.
	I don't know if he did.
	I think he spoke at this meeting.
	And I think he's been invited to their next meeting in Acapulco.
	So he's still on the loop.
	Victor's still on the loop.
	And there's Jane Ava Tracy, his number one sidekick, flying monkey, just so happens to be making movies with Jeff Berwick in Acapulco and is obviously an anarchist, anarchist, obviously.
	And she's joined in, she's one of the leading promoters of all the defamation against Jim and is also leading promoter of all of Vaca's appearances in this anacropulco kind of these different events.
	So she's ever present.
	Yeah, she's ever present.
	You want to show the audience who she is?
	Yeah, sure.
	we'll go there uh can you remind me which time uh we had here it was nine nine uh 11 a.m your time 9-11, yeah.
	Or 9.07, one of the two.
	I think maybe 9.07.
	I know seven.
	This, I think, is...
	That's it.
	Right?
	Well, that's Susan's article that you can read on her sub stack.
	You subscribe to her sub stack and she's popping this stuff out.
	I sure notice it.
	Susan, you want to go through this with us?
	Sure.
	Okay, so basically we've got Vaca attacking these different content creators.
	You know, I named some of them.
	And then as you scroll down, we have the picture of the professor.
	And this is Professor Tracy Jane Turner.
	She looks very much like our Jane.
	And this is the identity of a woman who Jane impersonated throughout BitChute and Rumble.
	So she was assuming the identity of this woman.
	And since she's taken this woman's down, she's replaced her meme or avatar with Victor's four-foot penis art.
	And then, okay, so we have Jane amplifying the defamation.
	And then if you scroll down, you'll see.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Go ahead.
	What does this woman have against me?
	I mean, I've never really heard of her other than in this context.
	I mean, she looks like a nice gal.
	Jim, I think the idea here is to damage the alternative truth media.
	I think that's, I agree.
	You're a vehicle to that.
	And so they're able to expand off of you, the shit and the storm they've created around you, and start to diminish a lot of other people and attack a lot of their people.
	It's just more and more people along.
	It's never stopped.
	That's what's issues.
	Well, also, Jim, within these different corporations, the government and media, there are powerful special interest groups that operate among them.
	And one of the connections to Berwick is HBO.
	HBO produced the Alex Jones film.
	It produced the anarchist film.
	It also produced the Stop the Steal film, which also featured Alex Jones.
	And of course, HBO is a subsidiary of Discovery Times Warner, which is a corporate partner of Sandy Hook Promise.
	So I think that there's a connection there.
	Quite a tangled web.
	It goes way beyond you, Jim.
	You're just a vehicle.
	You're kind of like an opening round.
	Yeah.
	So the cue could be paid.
	So of course we have her.
	Go ahead.
	No, go ahead, Susan.
	I think you're doing wonderful work here.
	Claiming his art is the last bastion of free speech.
	Vodka accuses content creators of pedophilia, bestiality, incest, crimes of every imaginable distinction of being liars, disinformation agents, criminals.
	He disparages their bodies, calls them vile names, accuses them of mental disorders, perceived learning abilities, and dehumanizes them.
	He's a master at that for sure.
	Yes.
	And then, of course, you have discovered that Vaca has a 16-page rap sheet.
	And we find that Jane in turn has a long criminal record.
	She was arrested in 2015 on drug-related quality charges while living kind of an anarchist lifestyle.
	And her sentence was between 25 and 27 years, Which is an outrageous sentence for drug possession.
	So, in order for her to have reached such a potential sentencing, she would have had to have had more than far more than the legal limit.
	She would have had to have been a distributor.
	No, just to make clear, she wasn't just selling drugs or pot or whatever.
	This is the photograph of a legitimate professor who has been usurped by Jane.
	She's not the lady.
	And she's taken this dad.
	That was her avatar for a long time.
	She's taken replaced it with Victor's penis art.
	This person is perfectly innocent, to the best of our knowledge, of any involvement whatsoever.
	It's simply they appropriated her image.
	Correct.
	And part of her name, because the professor's name is Tracy Jane Turner.
	And then Jane, or this webb lady, referred to herself, calls herself Jane Ava Tracy.
	So she co-opted some of her name, part of her name.
	Crazy depression said between 25 and 27 years for drug led charges, Webb Acapulco with Galton who was shot dead protecting her.
	Do we know the story there?
	I don't know all the details.
	It was a very kind of anarchist, very chaotic and violent environment in Acapulco.
	There's a lot of drug-related slangs down there.
	It's a very dangerous place.
	For gringos to go down there and be involved in drugs would be really putting your life on the line.
	So that kind of explains it.
	She has cinched for a career for herself, organizing Berwick conferences, promoting disinformation campaign marketed.
	And as non-conformists are not bitched and rumble, 25 years imprisonment seems to be an extreme sentence for marijuana possession, even by Michigan standards.
	I agree completely.
	Recreational marijuana possession has been legal in Michigan since 2018.
	Possession of up to two and a half ounces in public, 10 ounces at home, is legal.
	To reach a felony threshold, she'd have to have had a possession of large quantities beyond the legal limit with intent to distribute even then.
	And where would you get large quantities of marijuana?
	Let's ask that question honestly.
	Mexico.
	Mexico?
	Yeah, Russian oligarchs.
	I know they're also involved in like Roman.
	They need distributors in the United States.
	So that's how that works.
	So there's no, I mean, I don't know the case, but 25 years.
	Come on.
	You know, that's not just for selling dope to you.
	Oh, I agree.
	Do we know the details of her sentencing or the crimes of which she was convicted?
	Yeah, you can scroll down.
	She had a lot of alleged crimes prior to this arrest.
	This is the real gal.
	Miranda Webb.
	Miranda Webb, also known as Lily Forrester.
	She's been arrested multiple times.
	There she is in her jail garb, orange jail garb, kind of standard attire for.
	She sure looks like she could be a Victor ally rather than the professor.
	She kind of does look similar to the professor in a way, you know, kind of dark hair, dark eyelash, dark eyebrows, kind of similar facial features.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's no doubt why they chose her.
	But she's been booked all over the place.
	Here she is in the anarchist.
	This is her clip in the anarchist.
	She has her hair kind of red.
	Here we get the Acapulco community.
	Is closely associated with Berwick, a Canadian entrepreneur, an outspoken libertarian, who founded, oh, it's Archapoluko, right?
	Like anarchy and acapulco.
	And they combine the word.
	Yeah, in 2015, it's an annual conference in Acapulco promoting ano-co-capitalism, crypto-carris, which Victor Hugo Vaca has been asked to speak to twice and now a third time.
	So he has not been vetted.
	They don't even care that he's out attacking the many people in the alt media.
	Oh, Russ, it's the opposite.
	They want him because of that.
	I mean, he's a party.
	Yeah, it's like he's sowing anarchy on the platforms, lawlessness.
	Be like accountable to no one.
	Or he's a central figure in the Anarchist Docu series that also featured Webb, both apparently enabling engraving and facilitating vaccines, anarchist behavior on bit shoot and romball.
	They're nihilists, is what these people are.
	They're into, I don't know if you've ever read Anne Rand.
	Then Rand is just more of this extreme libertarianism, do-as-a-wilt type stuff.
	I mean, it's kind of, I don't know if satanic is quite the word for it, but it's very.
	It really is.
	It stems back to the rational enlightenment, rational self-interest, and it's rejection of God at the core of it.
	You know, do what you trust to help everybody else.
	Rejection of God at the core.
	Rejection of God, rejection of all laws, all values, all empathy.
	You just do what's in your rational interest, seek power and whatever you want, material possessions, pleasure.
	A new leaf that Victor has turned over of late.
	Sorry to interrupt, Susan.
	That's okay.
	A new leaf that Victor's turned over of late is to attack Christians.
	And he uses, he calls them satanic Christians.
	That's what he said.
	It's what he calls Dustin Nemos.
	He says he's a example of the satanic Christian.
	So this seems to be kind of set up to create sort of an Agelian divide between Christians and non-Christians and just really rail on Christians.
	You know, say you're satanic.
	That's been a big theme of Victor's lately.
	I've long suspected he was actually a Jewish provocateur and hasn't he actually admitted that he is a Jew, Susan.
	Isn't that the case?
	Jokingly.
	I think he admits it tongue in cheek.
	Yeah.
	But I don't think it was.
	I don't think it was merely tongue-in-cheek.
	Yeah, on our shows that we did with him, why did he, on every show, have to bring that, what is that?
	What do they call it?
	Yeah, why did he have to put that on his head on every frigging show?
	What was that all about?
	He doesn't do it as much anymore, but on our shows, it was just put that beanie on.
	I hadn't even noticed that.
	I think the reason he did that is he wanted to say, look, you can't accuse me of anti-Semitism because I'm a Jew.
	I think that's a Jew.
	I mean, I believe.
	But I've had lots of friends that were Jews.
	I mean, some of my dearest and closest friends of my life.
	My best friend in college was a Jew.
	A best friend of mine today is a Jew.
	I mean, he's kind of moved past the anti-Semitic stick.
	He doesn't really do it anymore.
	He did that for us.
	When he was on a show for us, he really pushed that.
	And afterwards, then he doesn't really do it that much anymore.
	And he got a big following because people thought he was opening up the Overton window.
	In some ways, I kind of thought he was.
	In some strange way, I actually appreciated that he was opening the overtime window on this issue.
	But now he's dropped it and moved on attacking the alt media, attacking Christians.
	He's got a whole new shtick.
	His shtick kind of evolves and changes all the time, but it's very dark and he's making some horrific accusations on these platforms in the open and repeatedly.
	The attack on Dustin Nemos.
	I'm not a Dustin Nemos fan, but that's pretty vicious.
	Well, I saw that 10 months ago, he had Dustin Nemos on his show, and they discussed this very tape that he's now using to attack Dustin with, you know, where Dustin was being accused of being a pedo and all sorts of things.
	And Victor tried to, I don't believe any of those allegations.
	I know you're a good man and so on.
	And then now today, after they've fallen out, he now takes those clips and then says, look, according to all these other people, Dustin is a pedophile.
	He's a this.
	He's a that.
	Dustin and other shows talked about his childhood.
	You know, he's kind of actually kind of emotional.
	It's kind of touching in a way to hear him talk about his childhood, his mother being problematic.
	I won't use the word he used.
	And, you know, he just got in trouble with the law himself and then he found Christ.
	You know, it seems kind of heartfelt in these interviews he did with Victor.
	And now Victor's turned that on him.
	You know, kind of similar to, well, I won't get into it.
	Just he's turned the whole thing on its head and is using that to attack Dustin.
	We're here with Russ Winner and Susan Bradford.
	We'll be missing our guests, Dustin Nemos.
	Not here.
	We'll be right back.
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	Come on on the show.
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	Well, another dimension of the whole Victor saga is the son of Enos.
	Susan or Russ, why don't you want to give us a little sketch, Russ?
	Begin with you.
	I'll defer to Susan to begin with.
	Hey, well, son of Enos, who's otherwise known as Kenneth or Kenan Paulin, was arrested for anti-Semitic speech.
	And apparently, this was one of the most groundbreaking cases in Canada.
	He was sentenced to a fairly lengthy prison sentence.
	But the curious part about this is that no mainstream media picked up on it.
	And you think that a precedent-setting case like this would be picked up by the mainstream media.
	But somehow, the mother, Diane Pollen, had Picked out Dustin Nemos and Victor Hugo Vaca, of all people, to somehow get help for her son.
	And I'm or to help her son.
	I'm not really sure what type of help she was expecting because if her son were prosecuted over hate speech, anti-Semitic hate speech, why would you pick two people who are engaged in anti-Semitic hate speech to amplify it rather than go to the mainstream media to raise awareness on it?
	Because I think she's basically hurting her son's own legal case.
	But as I began to look into it, I found that the mother, Diane Pollen, and I don't know that this is the same woman, but the age description and kind of the locality are fit.
	But Diane Pollen is a forensics nurse in the very district where the police had arrested her son.
	And so that would mean if she's a forensics nurse, that means that she for 20 decades, for two decades, she had worked with the police who arrested her son, that very division, building cases, appearing with them in court, working through the court system, you know, to provide research on medical cases as they pertain to criminal law and so forth.
	So to me, that raises a few questions.
	Why does she go to these two characters and not work through the courts?
	And then the offshoot of this is the whole behavior of all these people, including Victor, has been very meek.
	They haven't really stirred up anything.
	And so I kind of drew the analogy.
	I drew the analogy to Adolf Hitler after the Munich beer hall pooch, who rose to the occasion and made some dramatic speeches and got all kinds of public sentiment on his side and really took advantage of the situation of being arrested and incarcerated.
	And so if this guy is such a big badass Nazi, why hasn't he done that?
	He's just meek.
	It doesn't fit the profile.
	Now they're saying, well, it's because there's a gag order.
	I don't know if we have any way of checking that out or not.
	Maybe there was.
	And if there's a gag order, then they could throw the book at him.
	There are some ramifications there.
	But Victor, only thing Victor has really done for this whole episode is, again, attack the alternative media and call them cowards.
	That's pretty much it, especially the SGT report.
	And the other thing, too, about this is that from what I could tell, there were no, maybe the situation has changed, but there were no public records of the arrest, of the sentencing, beyond like a press release of the actual conviction.
	You can't contact the prison where he was staying.
	There's been a press release in some sources that I saw.
	I'm not exactly sure by the employer of the mother, which is interesting.
	Or one of the former employers of the mother.
	Supposedly he's just been sentenced to six months in prison.
	And the other interesting angle to this is that the case broke with Dustin and Vaca promoting it right around the time that Jim was trying to have Vaca arrested for all of his abuses.
	So it coincided right around that time.
	And Vaca in turn was turning around and saying, look, what happened to Enos is going to happen to me.
	They're trying to have me arrested for anti-Semitic hate speech.
	So he exploited that.
	And then, of course, among the people who were promoting the story were Jeff Berwick, Max Egan, Dustin Emos, and Vaca.
	They never did it.
	They never really did anything other than wine, other than wine against Jim, of course.
	Somehow they dragged his name into it, which is just amazing how they do it.
	They just like gymnasts contort themselves to drag Jim's name into it somehow.
	And then, by extension, the alt media, and like I said, certain people that they've really targeted for being cowards.
	Well, they were cowards too.
	You know, where is come, you know, come on, Nemos, or not Nemos, Enos, present yourself.
	You have a face?
	Do you actually have a public face that you can present yourself?
	Just because you're in jail, that doesn't mean no one's actually ever seen this guy.
	Is he a fiction?
	Well, he did some shows with Victor, coincidentally.
	Well, did we see him on those shows?
	Yeah, he's on these shows.
	But actually, you know, it's funny, even on those, he's in dark.
	He's darkened.
	You don't write now, to be honest with you, you don't really see him.
	He's in the dark.
	I could try to track him down.
	But let me point out this story about the nurse, Diana Paul, and who may or may not be his mother, is from 2017.
	Susan, you notice that?
	I mean, this is almost ancient history, nearly 10 years ago.
	The former registered.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, what this article shows is that it identifies her as a forensics nurse and also that she's financially somewhat hard up.
	So would she be amenable to accepting a compensation, for example, you know, to maybe be part of a story that might help Vaca with whatever he's doing to target you?
	That might be a bit of a breach.
	So the latest iteration of this is this dispute and fight between, it's not a dispute, it's a all-out cat fight between these two divas, Dustin Nemos and Victor Hugo, where they're fighting and smearing each other like crazy.
	That's emerged.
	And it doesn't make any sense.
	Why are they so territorial about what?
	The mother doesn't even want to talk.
	The guy in prison, whoever he is, son of Enos doesn't want to talk.
	So these guys have just crowded into the vacuum to absorb attention to themselves, get all kinds of clicks as they feud and fight with each other.
	What's that all about?
	Is it worth looking at a part of one of these videos?
	No, they're all the same.
	They're all the same.
	They're vicious.
	They're basically Victor attacking and vice versa.
	Nemos attacks Victor too.
	Yeah, here's Son of Enos.
	Kenneth Paul Adaris exposes all dude to Victor.
	You go live with Voltaire talk, Dustin Nemos.
	Do you have a fans?
	Son of Enos exposes Dustin Nemos, a satanic Christian.
	Son of Enos exposes epidemic of liars at alt nudes media.
	So what's all the media lying about?
	I mean, we haven't been given any information.
	You haven't provided any information.
	There's no way to even prove the story happens.
	There's no public records.
	You should have to rely upon them, what they're telling you.
	So that's kind of odd.
	I mean, if this was real, and it may be.
	I mean, I'm not saying it's not.
	They could get all kinds of public sentiment for him.
	I mean, a lot of people would come to the support of this guy.
	What else?
	People don't want people.
	Nobody wants guys thrown in jail for six months for making anti-Semitic or even Holocaust denial claims.
	Nobody wants to see that.
	So he would have a rush of huge support.
	And instead, what's happened is Victor and Nemos have somehow stopped that cold in its track.
	So nothing ever emerged publicly.
	I think it was a it was a bit worse than just the Holocaust denial.
	I think he actually came out and said that we need to exterminate the Jews.
	Like he was very, it was more promoting genocide, according to the articles I read.
	So that might have been grounds.
	So he's not going to get too much sympathy for that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That clarifies a little bit.
	Well, wait a minute for saying exactly what that Hitler was not exterminating the Jews.
	He's apparently called an article.
	I mean, Thomas Dalton in his book about the, you know, the Holocaust debate makes a point that there's never been any documentary substantiation that the Third Reich or Adolf Hitler ever issued any.
	I think Susan just said that he called for exterminating the Jews.
	Oh, he called for it.
	Oh, he called for it.
	Ah.
	He, Dustin, he, son of Enos, called for exterminating the Jews.
	That's what you're talking about.
	You know, the actual articles you can read it.
	I wish I had it in front of me, but I'll continue.
	And if I find it, I'll let you know.
	Okay, so he was writing this kind of stuff and the authorities picked up on it.
	Victor kind of set all this up.
	I mean, wasn't he using son of Enos?
	He's doing nothing to he's doing nothing to put any kind of sunlight or transparency on this whole story.
	Instead, he's just obfuscating it and using it to his advantage, including, amazingly enough, concocting a story to even attack you over this.
	That even attacked you.
	He was attacking me the other day over this.
	But we haven't reported on it.
	This is the most discussion we've devoted to it.
	I'd like to hear from Son of Enos and his mother.
	I'd love to hear from them and get their side of it.
	But it's obfuscated.
	You don't get that.
	So it just confuses the issue and allows these scoundrels, Hugo, to lurk in the background, stirring up the pot.
	It's just classic Victor Hugo Vaccum bullshit, I guess is the word for it.
	Obfuscation.
	Why are you fighting?
	Why are you fighting over this, Victor?
	Why are you fighting with your partner, Nemos, over this?
	Doesn't make any sense.
	Somebody said something and Victor got buttered and then Victor attacked Justin Nemos.
	So some kind of personality disorder thing or what's going on here, Victor?
	I wish Dustin had shown up so we could address these issues with him.
	I think he would have a lot of insights, you know?
	I mean, well, you know, Dustin's claiming to have contact with these people, meaning the son of Enos.
	So, but he hasn't really shown it.
	He's kind of shown some email titles between, but then they claim privacy.
	You know, we don't want to violate Diane's privacy.
	Well, then, Diane, then why are you, if you're not going to have your privacy, why are you picking these guys to represent you?
	These guys just throw everything to the wind.
	They're not going to be confidential.
	They'll go dig up an email you wrote in December and put it on the air to embarrass you.
	They've done that with us.
	I haven't seen any of these exchanges where they're attacking one other.
	Son of Enos exposes Dustin Nemos, a satanic Christian.
	Where do they come up with these names anyway, son of Enos?
	Think you're going to see something son of Eno saying something, and of course, you never do.
	This is the Maverick artist, Victor Hugo Journalism for the modern art music movement.
	It is October 5th, 2025.
	I'm reporting from the former Soviet Union near the border with Russia.
	Oh, yeah, Turkey.
	They're Mommy and Azerbaijan.
	Unbelievable.
	My job.
	That's the golden rule.
	The golden rule says: treat others the way you would want to be treated.
	I did not make an attack video on Dustin Nemos.
	I challenge anyone, Brandon Kroll, Curtis Griffin.
	You guys want to call me out?
	Find a video that I made before this attack video.
	This is Dustin here, right?
	Who is this?
	Of all sorts of lies alongside VP, his new female, male Jewish friend.
	Well, Dustin kind of started to be fair, Victor.
	Jesus, no.
	See the truth.
	Hang on.
	Go ahead, Russ.
	To be fair to Victor here, Dustin's sort of instigated this and started going after Victor being a liar.
	And you can't do that to Victor.
	He's going to retaliate tenfold.
	And that's exactly what's happened.
	So at this point, what he's saying, I have not made any attack videos against Nemo's.
	It's kind of a ridiculous thing to say.
	I can't find the articles announced.
	I think he, according to some of these, it shows that he just was at Holocaust and Iron and he was spreading hate speech against Jewish people.
	But I thought I saw something about where he was spread, he was encouraging genocide, but maybe that was commentary from somebody else.
	I can't find it right off.
	So well, just to clarify.
	I'm in the curious position of being a Holocaust denier, but not an anti-Semite.
	I mean, I'm opposed to Zionism and the Israeli slaughter of the Palestinians, but there's no doubt that I'm a Holocaust denier.
	I've been very explicit.
	You'd probably come to the defense of Sonominos if you'd even knew who he was and if he presented himself to you.
	But you're not going to take Victor's word for anything.
	Come on.
	Victor has no credibility.
	So they pick somebody with no credit or limited credibility in the small, tiny audience of sadistic, you know, flying monkeys that follow in this very tiny market that they go to to represent them, give them credibility on this story.
	He's wrecked the credibility of any credibility Son of Enos might have had stepping forward and being outspoken against what's happening to him.
	It's just a little pip squeak.
	Haven't heard a word.
	Where are you, Son of Enos?
	And his mother, you're going to let Dustin Nemos and Victor Hugo speak for you and represent you?
	How absurd.
	I've got the feeling.
	I've got the feeling this whole son of Enos thing was just a bait that was a trap for people like us, the alternative media rush to the defense of son of Enos and somehow be ensnared.
	We really didn't.
	That's the problem.
	That's what they're playing.
	I didn't fall for it, but I think that was the gamblet.
	We didn't fall for it because the source was Victor.
	Victor doesn't have any credibility with people like us or anything or the SGT report or Stew Peters, all the people he's attacking over this issue.
	He doesn't have any credibility.
	And that's that's the subtlety of the psyops, how you do the psyops.
	You get somebody with no credibility, and then all of a sudden you get a tepid response of support for Sonny Enos when probably he deserves support if he would step up and be as I say regarding the Holocaust.
	If you are familiar with the evidence, you're either a Holocaust denier or a big fat liar.
	Those are the only options.
	Most people don't bother to become familiar with the evidence, but it's so blatant and overwhelming.
	There weren't even any gas changes.
	We know for a fact if you get in trouble with the law, people are going to hear from you.
	That's the difference.
	There are no public records of this arrest beyond a press release.
	There's no way to confirm or deny anything.
	No way to follow up on it.
	And if there was a media boycott, why wouldn't you?
	And you call the prison and says you have this inmate in here and they refuse to.
	You need to confirm or deny.
	Isn't it confirmed or denied?
	What's that all about?
	Come on.
	People have a right to find out where somebody is.
	Even in Canada.
	Public information.
	Just a very strange story.
	Well, has Victor run his course?
	I mean, has he done everything he was assigned to do?
	I mean, he got over 900 attack videos.
	I mean, look, if the Israelis are paying these so-called inputs or seven grand, what would be seven grand times 900?
	I mean, you're getting up there.
	You're getting into millions.
	This is like millions of dollars.
	My Sandy Uck friends did say Victor was being paid big bucks by Sandy promised to attack me, but how big those bucks are wasn't defined.
	But I think the audience needs to understand it's not just about attacking you.
	You're the vehicle.
	Yeah.
	It goes way beyond that.
	If it was just attacking you, it would be like, what?
	What are you talking about, Jim?
	Yeah.
	It goes beyond that.
	Russ, I agree.
	I mean, it began with me, but then it grew and now it's become the whole alt media, or at least a big chunk of it.
	I agree completely.
	Yeah, it began with attack on you and anybody associated with you, like me and Susan.
	And then that turned out to be a pretty big circle.
	Yep.
	Susan, what's your assessment of the totality?
	What's the big picture here?
	What the hell is going on?
	You were asking, did he has he run his course?
	I think he probably has because he's fallen out with NEMAs.
	I think the entire alt media is turning on him and he has no credibility left.
	But he's still turning out these videos.
	I mean, they're abusive, they're defamatory.
	They're quite embarrassing.
	But I think that Jane Ava Tracy character, Miranda Webb, I think she's the one going through and slicing up these videos, maybe doing even the thumbnails, because Victor, by the account of Charlie Carter or many others, doesn't have the technical skills to do it.
	So I think she's the one putting it out.
	And then you go back to it's being done in concert with this Anakropulco group to maybe, and I don't know why, maybe it's to sow division and anarchy throughout the truth movement or throughout these social free speech absolutist platforms to see how far they can promote or push anarchy and push the boundaries.
	Just a thought.
	I think so, but there's also the element that maybe the end goal is to take these platforms down or harm them financially.
	I mean, and then, and that's why people were mad at us saying, well, why are you suing, you know, Bit Shoot and Rumble?
	They're outlets for people, and they are.
	They're outlets for truthers.
	And it's just a damn shame that they don't know how to police their platform and do a proper job.
	But I'm not suing them over freedom of speech, but rather for not enforcing their own standards that would preclude defamation and slander.
	Well, the slander and defamation at this stage is really getting, and they're using the mails.
	The guy's got a 290-person spam email that he uses.
	You know, I was looking over the mail of Judge Nepotalo, all kinds of well-known people.
	Yeah, there's all kinds of people on that list.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's using the mail to spread the slander that he has put on these platforms.
	So that's almost like double jeopardy of even more.
	That's a good point that he's furthering the defamation by all these emails that are just grotesque.
	I love the one that resulted when I said, may I have your permission to share your rap sheet with the members of his list?
	They went ballistic.
	Page after page.
	Why don't you get the right rap sheet, though, and then reveal it?
	No, no, no.
	The point is that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement hasn't been willing to confirm it.
	And I just wonder if they're also under control.
	And also, not confirming, it doesn't mean that they've rejected it as being false.
	Oh, right.
	That's the distinction he's trying to make.
	Right.
	That the BI told me that I shouldn't share it unless it were confirmed because I could be a subject to a lawsuit.
	And then Victor comes up with page after page of threats of lawsuit if I were.
	Especially since some of it was false.
	I mean, I think some of that was false.
	Yep.
	PI stuff is false.
	It wasn't good information.
	There's also the element of the public interest because he is harming so many people throughout these platforms.
	You know, he does need to be stopped.
	But I'd also like to make one point.
	Vaca has repeatedly accused me of saying that you are an intelligence asset, Jim.
	And I will, on the record, as I have many times, you know, affirmed I did not say that, nor do I believe you to be so.
	We're about to hit a break, but we can pick up on that.
	Jim, I heard her say that you were intelligent.
	Intelligent asset.
	That's perfect.
	Perfect.
	I think you're twisted it.
	Yeah, that's just a tap, but that is his style.
	Bird phrase out of context, spin it the way he wants and go with it.
	Endlessly, endlessly.
	He's still hung up on my having attributed to him his father's age, which was from, you know, misreading the rap sheet.
	They were listed together.
	And I fully concede that was a mistake, but he turns it into a federal offense.
	Like, how many times has he reiterated?
	He's got to have money.
	I mean, how do you go?
	How do you go to China and travel around China and Asia and go to Republic of Georgia, set your stuff up on Batumi Beach?
	You know, come on.
	That's a good point.
	That's a good point.
	Okay.
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	Susan, you're observing that Victor claims you characterize me as an intel agent that you knew that I was an intel agent.
	I mean, it was absurd on its face.
	If I'm an Intel agent, I must be the own most counterproductive in history because I brought together all these experts to expose the governmental complicity in JFK, 9-11, Wellstone, Sandy Hook, Boston Bombing, and more.
	I mean, what kind of an agent am I supposed to be?
	This is so ridiculous on its face.
	Go for it, Susan.
	It's fascinating because he reiterates this endlessly.
	Endlessly.
	And, you know, the fact is, prior to this whole VACA scenario, I really didn't know you that well beyond, you know, appearing on a few of your shows.
	I've since come to know you, and I've come to appreciate how you didn't know him.
	I didn't know him that well either.
	Apparently, I know everything about you.
	I'm the authority that you are an intelligence advocate.
	That's just like we're all family.
	I've definitely come to appreciate you, but I do remember like one, I don't follow Vaca, but I do remember one email that he said that you had savagely attacked people over Sandy Hook, which he identified as SH.
	And the truth was that I had that Michael McKibben and Victor Hugo had invited me to collaborate with them on research.
	And I turned them down after I saw Michael McKibben publicly defame Sarah Westhall over a difference of opinion.
	And so I declined based upon that.
	And then Victor, who had been a recipient of that email, rewrote it and he had it convey that I had you attacking people over Sandy Hook, like SW, which was never the intent of the message.
	It was not the meaning, and you weren't even the person communicated about or involved in this.
	So that's what he does.
	He inserts himself into different controversies or different debates within the truther movement and blows it up and throws shit all over it.
	That's his main, that's his tactic right there.
	That's why he's why he's after he's, I'm convinced he's after the truth community, the alt media.
	That's his main target.
	Now, is he finished?
	That's the question you were asking.
	Well, it depends on how much money he inherited from daddy.
	That's the answer to that.
	He inherited a lot of money from daddy, which kind of looks like maybe he did.
	We could probably investigate that.
	If Promise is still paying him for every attack, and I think he's got to be paid by the peace.
	That's why they're so damn good.
	But if he's working on daddy's money, then it doesn't really matter what Promise gives him.
	You know, he can continue on.
	If he's broke, like he tries to portray himself, you know, one time he said he's copsurfing.
	I don't believe that anymore.
	He had me fooled for a while.
	He'll fool you because he'll kind of send you off in other directions, make you think he's judgment-proof.
	You know, there's no way to go after him.
	He's judgment-proof.
	That type of thing.
	So, Susan, I don't attack other people over at Sandy Hook, much less viciously.
	I mean, I've never actually seen you attack anybody.
	And I never, I never thought that about you.
	And it was there.
	You weren't even the person referenced.
	It was, I was actually taking Michael McKibben to task because he has run a lot of, I would say, and forgive me, but defamation pieces against many people in the truth community on his Aim for Truth site.
	And I believe that he was doing this because he was trying to get a, he's trying to get Donald Trump to sign off on a freedom press fund that he would preside over.
	So I think he was trying to get involved in like a propaganda campaign funded by the federal government to compensate him for, you know, his patent that he believes was stolen from him.
	So I was actually referring to Michael McKibben.
	And I have similarly been defamed on his website on false grounds.
	A lot of people have.
	And I didn't tell Michael that I thought that what he was doing was wrong and very hurtful to the truth community.
	Because I have a reputation and I don't want it sullied.
	I told you, if any of these allegations that these satanic Christians are making about me were true, you wouldn't be seeing me.
	I'd be gone.
	I'd be hiding.
	I'd be embarrassed.
	These are serious allegations they're making about me.
	You think I'd be showing him a face?
	I think you're that good of an actor.
	That could say you can pull it off.
	No, these people are evil.
	I don't associate with evil.
	Projection.
	You want to associate with evil?
	That's up to you.
	In the end, I'm not the one judging you.
	God will judge you.
	So here she is.
	She says, God does not give us the spirit of fear, and God hates cowards.
	He's also not very cool with liars, by the way, VP.
	And you are a liar, and you're a Jew.
	So I get it.
	You can't help it.
	You're a Jew who's lying about not being a Jew.
	And who is VP?
	I've lost track of who is VP.
	VP is an ally of Dustin Nemos.
	And if Dustin Minos is here, maybe he could get into that a little bit.
	The VP kind of inserted himself as a truth teller about what was going on with Victor and Dustin.
	Primarily, VP is defending Dustin against Victor.
	So I don't have any strong opinion on him, but he's inserted himself into this dispute.
	And he sent, we're being CC'd on a lot of his mail come out.
	And then Victor takes the fact that we were CC'd to declare that we are involved in harassing Diane, whatever her name is, the mother.
	And I actually responded to that and I wrote back to the 290 spam list.
	I said, if you're familiar with how the internet works, if you're new to email, a CC means you're a recipient of somebody's email.
	And then you have something called a sender.
	In this case, it was VP.
	And then the CCs were Fetzer, Hokium, and Bradford and me.
	We didn't send this email out.
	We're not the one sending the email to Senator Enos' mom.
	But see, that's how he flies.
	So he twists my and I've actually discontinued that email account just to get away from him because of all he doxed me.
	And I've had a lot of crazy emails sent to me, abusive emails, prompted by him and people close to him.
	So I shut down that email address.
	I didn't even see the email.
	I'm being accused of being part of this, which I had no, you know, no part of it.
	Right, because we were CC'd on an email.
	Somehow we're involved in this harassment campaign against Son of Enos' mom and just totally ridiculous.
	And BP was the one that sent the email out.
	Whether it was justifiable or not, I don't know.
	It sounds like when I read the email that VP sent out, he's trying to get clarity from Enos' mom about what was going on, where he stand.
	And Victor called that harassment and then associated us with it.
	For a guy who's so determined to out all the disinformation agents within the truth committee, he's very foot loose with the truth of himself.
	Like he doesn't sender of the email.
	Just put that on the line.
	Why would anyone think that?
	I mean, that's so blatantly obvious.
	Well, then they answered me by saying, oh, come on, Winter.
	You know, why would you be listed as a CC on this email going out to the mother?
	Fuck, I don't know.
	No, I know.
	It's deliberate sabotage.
	I mean, it's obvious.
	Don't they know who they're dealing with here?
	It's not guilt by association.
	And I think that Victor has tried to do this the same for himself.
	Like he has juxtaposed his own name with the Museum of Modern Art in New York to make it look as though he, you know, they're recognizing him as a great artist.
	So it's kind of like he tries to put these two elements together.
	So you associate one with the other.
	So he's supposed to fame and to promote.
	Yeah, huge amount of grandiosity, huge amount of grandiose.
	Just a classic mental illness, really.
	He's psychopathic.
	Very low empathy, a lot of grandiosity, a lot of paranoia.
	And like I say, he looks like death wormed over.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I think he's going to last a while because he's got daddy's money, but he may feel over a heart attack any day.
	Which is, of course, what you do.
	Do you get it?
	Do you see how flushing ready is?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The number of us that are stepping up to psychotic bullies like Victor is growing.
	Yeah, I notice it because it's all projection and inversion.
	If you see anybody coming after me with anything other than verifiable proof, like I said, James Fetzer went on the Stew Peters network and claimed that he had a 16-page rap sheet on me.
	What he failed to say was that the police were refusing to acknowledge it, that it's not true.
	It's like I could sit here and write up a 60-page rap sheet on James Fetzer and all of the pedophilia that he's been up to, according to Sandy Hook Promise, of course.
	But this is ridiculous.
	I never said anything about a 16-bit rap sheet on Stew Peters.
	I was only on Stew Peters talking about JFK.
	I was not Stu Peter talking about Victor.
	I thought it would be a good idea, potentially, to talk with Stu about Peters since we've both been subject to his horrific attacks that are utterly unfounded.
	But he's just making it up more rubbish.
	I mean, just again and again, it's an endless stream.
	And the fact that I haven't got confirmation from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement doesn't mean any of it's false.
	Russ says implied he thinks some of it's false, but I don't have any reason one way or another.
	I do not know.
	I only that the PI advised me I ought not to share it unless Florida don't have it.
	Have it correct, then you can't use it.
	As simple as that.
	But he but notice how he just grasps at it and tries to insert it into a show you did with Stew Peters.
	So then that kind of smears, Sue Peters, because Sue Peters had you on and supposedly you talked about the rap sheet.
	You know that kind of thing.
	He just doesn't.
	I mean, look at him, look how red and and deviant he is.
	He's just totally deviant.
	He's gonna die.
	Can you?
	Can you imagine 24, 7 he's up all night like a vampire, just living your life 24, 7 like this angry, all the time, high blood pressure.
	I mean he's 55 years old, I'm almost 75 years old.
	Look at how you look, at the difference between the two of us.
	You look how red he is.
	But I have, I have to, really I have to watch this behavior too, the behavior he's, he's dwelling into the darkness that he's into.
	I have to watch it too.
	Every, you know everybody that's sort of into this, has to watch it.
	But he, just he.
	There's no checks and balances on his life.
	It's all about defamation, being butthurt and, you know, going after his enemies in any way possible and an awful lot of obfuscation and lying and just making shit up.
	Well, I actually, oh sorry, go ahead, go ahead, Susan.
	Yeah, i've actually seen the, the 16 page rap sheet and um, i'm not going to divulge the contents, but the, the impression it gives is somebody who has aliases, potentially and according to the, the pi, who uses different social security numbers and moves around a lot there are multiple multiple, multiple addresses here a bankruptcy.
	Well, there are different things in different um uh, problems from in his background um, but I I i've, i've seen it and I, I remember that um, that Vaca, one of the reasons I think he targeted you is that um, he told he had told me after I appeared on his show that he said, you know I, I got an offer to be a major radio host and I i'm, i'm on the way up, i've got big things coming and I want you to appear eventually.
	So I think he was talking about revolution radio.
	He thought that was his big ticket to great things and when he was fired from that in your show, I think that that crushed him like he.
	You know, that was like a dream that he had maybe and so, like a lot of his dreams.
	That didn't work out.
	He got crushed by his own behaviors.
	You know he could.
	He could have gone off of gym show in fine shape.
	He could have just acted normally.
	You know, I don't think anybody would I never hold any big grudge against him for leaving the show.
	But then his behavior since has just been outrageous and getting worse and worse and worse.
	So he's, you know he's wrecking his health.
	It's obvious now maybe i'll die before he is, but if I were like, if I were a betting man, i'd bet on me over him.
	You look healthier than he does today Ross, you may be 20 years older, but you look a whole lot more healthy.
	Yeah, I have my health problems, I got to watch it, but yeah, but I mean the point is you look healthier than he does, even though he's 20 years.
	Your junior right, well he's.
	He's hugely obese.
	He's, you know, 5'2 and weight 300, 350 pounds, something like that.
	Uh, you know there's some old clips of him as a younger guy where he looked pretty damn heavy and and round.
	You know the, the clip of him promoting pornography, going to, you know, pornography conventions and smut conventions and doing reports on that.
	He was pretty.
	He looked pretty rotend on that and that was probably 20 years ago.
	Susan, i'm very interested.
	When he was having you on his shows he obviously had confidence in you.
	He was sharing his aspirations.
	You know, I I didn't think taking him off the shows was particularly a big deal, but apparently he did.
	He really reacted very, very strongly to that.
	I, I wrote him when I was a little more on a little more friendly terms and just advised him to just let it go and go, do what you do.
	Good, get on.
	Because I, I I thought it was amazing how he would get on people's shows.
	Yeah landed, he landed, he just landed gigs everywhere.
	So he's very talented at that and he could have taken that and taken the high road road.
	But something's happened here and you know, I got to believe that his mission is destruction.
	He's a destroyer.
	Yeah um initially, that was, you know why I tried to help him.
	I thought, you know he was talented and sincere and I provided him research and and some information for for different topics that he might want to explore and everything that I wrote to him.
	He turned around, he misrepresented, he tried to, you know, to use against me but um, that was why I had reached out to him to say I think you should you.
	Maybe you would want to consider um uh, not attacking Jim.
	I mean, I was fond of you, I thought I had a good relationship with Victor Um and he said after I I sent him that email he said, for meddling in in an area where you don't belong, i'm going to ruin you I, I am going to destroy your reputation.
	You had no business commenting.
	And he's done that, you know.
	But I thought that I had a good enough relationship with him where he might have heated.
	You know, there he is, admitting he's a reputation wrecking ball which is attributed to me.
	I mean, after when my Sandy friends told me, you know, Promise had hired him, I was told he's known as the Angel Of Death because of his capacity to wreck people's reputation.
	And I, I went to AI and I got confirmation that he's known as the Angel Of Death ability.
	I used to think he had, I used to think he had some communication talent, but now I just think he's a total one, one trick pony and a very dark, dark one.
	But we'll see.
	If anybody wants to make any bets on who dies first, me or Victor Go.
	I think I didn't collect goddamn one, Ross.
	Very dark.
	I'm not sure if you've been interested in this, the time when you and Victor were in a positive relationship.
	Tell us more about it.
	Me?
	I'm not sure that it was necessarily positive.
	I mean, the first time I actually had contacted him because he was going after Dr. Sheba for having invented the internet.
	And I suggested that he interview Michael McKibben, since Michael McKibben's patent was allegedly behind the creation of the internet.
	And he responded by inviting me on a show once with myself and then the next with Michael McKibben.
	On the first show, he had asked me at one point what I thought about Jeff, if I thought it was possible to be in the club and also a truther and to be truthful.
	And I had mentioned Jeff Rentz, who had hosted me a number of times.
	I said, this is a person who is of the establishment, but he's also very truthful.
	Somehow, the way I phrase that didn't come out right.
	And I suggested that Vaca maybe take that part out because it might be used against Jeff, you know, or it could, you know, it might harm my relationship with Jeff.
	Vaca said, don't worry about it.
	Nobody will even notice.
	So immediately thereafter, he actually cut that segment out, promoted it everywhere, trying to create a controversy about it.
	He then tried to leverage that to get on the show with Jeff Rentz and me.
	So Jeff would have to defend himself.
	What do you mean?
	You're a classic, classic.
	Come on the show and defend yourself.
	Right.
	I mean, he, for a while, he was once a month, he would invite me on the show.
	And the last answer I gave to him was very simple.
	Grandiosity much.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's very true.
	And then on the second.
	Are you afraid to come on my show?
	My show, because my show is the shits, man.
	This is the show to be on.
	Grandiosity much.
	Very true.
	And on the second show with McKibben, I think I felt kind of set up like they were both trying to prove that I'm secretly a deep state agent.
	And so I tried to ride that wave.
	And then this is pretty early on, what you're talking about.
	This is early on.
	This is early on.
	I was a little put off by that.
	But then the two of them had invited me to be on, to join them on Michael McKibben's private platform on Leaders Technology to share show ideas and to do this away from the government surveillance.
	So I offered a few show ideas on that platform and different topics.
	And those were the things that Vaca has twisted and he's misrepresented that I said this, that, and the other.
	So he's evolved from these little dirty tricks to now putting your head on a granny.
	That's well, I think the way that came about is that he was on the one hand, he was saying, Susan, come on my show, defend yourself.
	And I said, no, I don't want to come on your show.
	I blocked him.
	And then Jim had attempted to have him arrested.
	And then I think he was a little frightened and unnerved by this.
	He emailed me at my website or somebody did.
	It could have been Jane, but it was from VH from Yahoo and AOL.
	Please, Susan, please meet me in Europe.
	You've got to meet me.
	And so I had written him back, Victor, I don't want to meet you.
	I don't want to talk to you.
	I don't want to appear on your show.
	He continued to tell people Susan's going to appear on my show, even though I said not to.
	And since I had blocked him, there were some emails coming in from people who he had CC'd who then responded to those emails.
	And I read one where it said that he was saying Susan just needs a man to love her or something to that effect.
	And I just said, you know, Victor, please stop.
	I'm not interested in you.
	And so I think that he's somehow transformed that to mean, well, I would never be interested in you anyway.
	Here's you on a granny body.
	You're, you know, you're mentally ill or something to that effect.
	I mean, it's completely bizarre.
	Some of it's pretty satirical.
	I guess that's why people get sucked in on him a little bit because they're sadistic too.
	So he's sadistic.
	He attracts a very sadistic crowd, but I don't think he even has them anymore.
	He lost his audience.
	The audience that he had, he had some big views back in COVID days doing that shtick.
	He'd built himself up pretty good.
	He's lost a lot of that.
	And actually, one of his big draws was going on with Dustin Nemos.
	There, he would get a lot of eyeballs and clicks and views.
	So he's lost that.
	It's really a shame because I think he is a talented communicator, but he's using it for evil purposes.
	And he's definitely created a lot of discord when he could be bringing people together, you know, really facilitating a good dialogue.
	I don't think there's any redeeming qualities of the guy.
	Well, at this point, I would tend to agree with you, but at one point, he did seem to have some promise.
	Well, it's quite a saga, just astonishing to me that this guy continues to pump out these sadistic videos, attacking everyone.
	I thought it was fascinating to have one of his seemingly staunch supporters, Justin Nemos, have a falling out.
	And I would have very much liked to have had him here today to give us his insights about Victor Hugo to compare with our own.
	And Dustin, I just say, we missed you today.
	Too bad.
	I think it would have been a good idea.
	And I'm interested too, Russ, in your observation that Victor could have been piggybacking on Dustin because Dustin seemed to have a far larger audience than does Victor.
	Clearly.
	Yeah.
	Clearly.
	And Dustin's audience is the persona non-grata on those his channel.
	Amazingly enough, Dustin has some fairly loyal followers and viewers.
	I don't know.
	I don't follow Dustin enough to really get into this guy's heart and what he's all about.
	So I don't really want to judge him.
	But I different story with Victor.
	I've definitely judged him.
	Well, I think it's fascinating that they had this falling out.
	And I think there's probably a lot to be learned if one is so disposed about both from their exchanges.
	But we wanted to hear it right from Dustin about his up close and personal experiences.
	We wish it had happened.
	A final thought.
	Dustin, if you answer this, you know, if you answer this video, which you're certainly entitled to do, we would just ask you to kind of refrain from calling us all pedophiles or whatever you want to, you know, whatever homonyms you like to use.
	Let's see if you can do you know debate this in a normal fashion, going over the points that we've made, maybe correcting some of our observations, maybe endorsing some of our observations, where we're right, where we're wrong, to kind of move to the truth of this matter dispute, especially the son of Enos things.
	You know, give us some insights about that because we don't know.
	We're kind of speculating a little bit on that, but it doesn't to us, it doesn't pass the smell test.
	Something's really off.
	Well, Susan, wonderful to have you here today.
	But if we missed our future guest, everyone, spend as much time with your family, your friends, our people you love and care about.
	We do not know how much time we have left.
	Old Waste.

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