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The Raw Deal (22 September 2025) with co-host Joe Olson and special guest Chris Zadnik

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	I need somebody, not just anybody.
	You know, I need someone.
	When I was younger so much younger than today, I never needed anybody's help in any way.
	Now these days are gone so selfish.
	Now I'm a gentleman.
	I know who love the ghost.
	Help me if you can feel him down.
	And I do appreciate your feeling.
	Help me get my feet back on the ground.
	Won't you feel me?
	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Rock Deal, right here on Revolution Radio Studio B this 20th second day of September 2025 with co-host Joe Olsen and special guest Chris Zudnik.
	We're going to be talking with Chris about his research on Sandy Hook and the Boston bombing.
	We're going to begin with Charlie Cook, what ties them together.
	They're all totally produlant, 100%.
	A colleague of mine has been doing research on connection between Charlie and Epstein.
	Get this.
	He was originally some part of a disclosure.
	This is Charlie.
	Then he reversed course.
	His wife became a Miss America winner with no prior modeling experience, while Trump was the owner of Miss America.
	She was allegedly involved in casting, recruiting models for the pageants.
	Again, with no experience.
	Some are alleging connection to child trafficking rings.
	Note that Kirk was close to Dan Bon Gino.
	At Kirk Rivers, of course, on Epstein after Ben Gino did.
	Bondino managed the Kirk murder investigation and was the inspiration behind Sandy Hook Promise.
	know the signs.
	His corporate partners include government-sponsored child traffickers, San Diego Promise, I have been told by my Sandy Hook friends is still raking in over a million bucks a month over the Sandy Hook scam.
	So we'll be taking a closer look.
	Meanwhile, Max Blumenthal has given one of the most brilliant presentations and critiques I've ever heard on any subject ever.
	But in this case, our Charlie These look like regular glasses, but what they do is on another level.
	So good.
	Hi everybody.
	Today's Saturday, September 20th, 2025, and our new friend Max Blumenthal is here.
	Welcome, Max.
	Great to be on the show, big fan.
	Please subscribe and hit the like button to help us reach in more people.
	Max, let's start with what has happened in the United States, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and the way that Israeli government specifically, particularly Benjamin Netanyahu was reacting to what has happened in the United States.
	What is his obsession with the case of Charlie Kirk?
	Yeah, I've lost count of the amount of videos, the number of videos that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has released and the interviews that he has conducted specifically about Charlie Kirk since the conservative operative was killed on September 10th.
	But Netanyahu immediately weighed in with prayers about Charlie Kirk just minutes after he was killed.
	It was eerie.
	body was still warm and netanyahu was beginning to claim charlie kirk's legacy i've been writing about charlie kirk for 10 years now he was not just one of the most important conservative youth activists he was also one of the most critical gentile assets that the self-proclaimed jewish state controlled inside the united states
	And he Had started to move away from the Israeli line and specifically Netanyahu's line and even uh entertained the possibility of publicly calling for Netanyahu to resign because he privately despised Netanyahu in the months before his death.
	He was under enormous pressure from Zionist activists who are close to Netanyahu, basically Netanyahu's cutouts and the millionaires and billionaires that Netanyahu presides over inside the United States.
	He was under enormous pressure to kind of fall back to stop providing a platform to Israel critics at his TP USA events, like Tucker Carlson or Marjorie Taylor Green.
	And Charlie Kirk was resisting.
	So Netanyahu sought to paper over all this history and this reality, which was mostly taking place in private, but which people who paid close attention to Charlie Kirk, like me, knew were take knew was taking place because of the public statements he was making, complaining about all of this Israel lobbying he was being subjected to.
	And why can't he care most about his own country and not this foreign country?
	So Netanyahu seeks to bury that history and to make Charlie Kirk out to be the hero of Israel after his killing.
	And he starts carrying conducting interviews on Fox about how much Charlie loved Israel.
	Then he introduces a video on Twitter X, Netanyahu personally speaking to a camera about a letter Charlie had written him based on an in an invitation Netanyahu extended to Charlie Kirk two weeks before his death to visit Israel on a propaganda trip, which would have ostensibly been paid for by Israel.
	And Netanyahu didn't say whether that whether Charlie Kirk accepted his invitation.
	The reason Netanyahu was doing this, just to answer your original question, was because Israel requires American Christian, mostly conservative men to fight the war of Armageddon that Netanyahu wants against Iran, just as it required them to fight Israel, the war Israel wanted against Iraq.
	And so they need to keep the MAGA base on their side, and Charlie Kirk would have been the perfect symbol for that.
	And then the Gray Zone comes in and screws everything up because I had been talking to friends I knew of Charlie Kirk about this transformation he was experiencing in private.
	And my article about that and how he personally detested Netanyahu was one of the most viral pieces we have ever published at the Gray Zone.
	And I followed it up by exposing, we broke the story at the Gray Zone by exposing the secret summit that one of Netanyahu's top billionaire cutouts in the United States, Bill Ackman, had convened in the Hamptons,
	where basically Charlie Kirk was supposed to uh oversee a um influencer summit where influencers were going to be paid to generate millions of clicks and impressions for Israel, and everyone got invited on a propaganda tour to Israel.
	This was not supposed to be known.
	And what and the summit devolved into what was described to me by one attendee as a disaster when Bill Ackman, the billionaire donor close to Netanyahu, started challenging and pressuring Charlie Kirk about his views on Israel.
	And then another Zionist influencer, this young British lawyer who is one of the biggest Zionist thugs in London, trying to get every protester arrested.
	Her name is Natasha Hausdorff, started screaming at Charlie Kirk.
	And, you know, when this got out there, Candace Owens, subsequent former TPUSA associate of Kirk, longtime friend of Charlie Kirk, subsequent to the publication of my article about that influencer summit, Candace Owens goes live and provides more details about the summit.
	And from there, the entire Zionist world Of big wigs and donors and operatives who are close to Netanyahu in the United States launches goes into full meltdown mode and launches this all-out campaign to destroy Candace Owens' reputation.
	Uh, you know, they're falsely claiming that uh the gray zone's funded by Iran.
	They're trying everything they can to discredit this reporting.
	And then finally, Netanyahu does another video where he comes out and announces on his own on the prime minister's own channel on Twitter X and other social media networks that he did not kill Charlie Kirk.
	I never accused him of killing Charlie Kirk.
	I said there was no evidence that Israel killed Charlie Kirk, but he felt the need to proclaim that Israel killed Charlie Kirk, and he begins denouncing everyone who has reported that Charlie Kirk actually didn't like him.
	So this got all the way to Netanyahu, and he is in full panic mode.
	And again, the reason why Netanyahu's panicking, the reason why these uh this Zionist network in the US is panicking is because they are losing their last base of support, which is actually their most critical base of support, what Israel lobbyists referred to as Israel's safety belt in the Bible belt,
	and it's that base that they require of Christian young white, mostly yeah, white men who will go and fight Israel's wars on their behalf against Iran and its allies.
	Yeah.
	Max, I think what's happening in the aftermath of the assassination somehow.
	How did you find a way that the government was dealing with the information coming out?
	They came out, they talked about the outfit.
	Listen, there's a lot more to it.
	This whole damn thing is just so sensational that I actually published a transcript on my blog.
	You can find it there at James H. Fetcher.org.
	Now, my dear colleague Vivian Lee has figured out how it was done.
	She is completely brilliant.
	Let me share this with you.
	So how do they do this thing?
	The hand signs triggered the remote activation of the squib.
	They had the squib activated on signal and then break and produce a fake wound with some blood.
	There were people taking cell phone footage in the immediate proximity, but no one outside the operation was allowed to get that close.
	Then they sent their cell phone footage to the AI guys who added war blood and accidentally moved his ring to his little finger.
	They didn't notice the ring problem and sent the doctored footage to the news networks who made sure the whole world saw it.
	That way, anyone in the crowd would have seen the phase one squib event so as to think it was real in the phase two AI doctored footage was broadcast far and wide.
	Definitely a Hollywood Mossad style operation.
	The commotion and rest of the George Zinn character was part of the op.
	It was done to divert our attention away from the shooting and toward the fake suspect to give the AI guys time to doctor the footage, so I could be sent out to the media for wide distribution.
	Once the doctor footage was ready to go, the news no longer focused on the fake suspect.
	All attention moved to the fake shooting footage.
	Listen to this.
	the hand signs.
	First, Charlie touched his nose to indicate he was ready to start.
	Then the guy in white, Frank Turek, touched the bill of his hat and then his top lip.
	Then the guy in black put out his right arm and then touched it above the elbow with his left hand.
	That was a sign to a guy in a brown shirt in the front row of the audience to activate the squib.
	Right after the guy in black made his arm hand sign.
	The guy in brown put out his left arm, touched it above the elbow with his right hand.
	The remote was in the left sleeve of the guy in brown and when he touched his arm he activated the squib.
	Then he ducked down a little, focused his attention on Charlie.
	When he saw the mission have been accomplished, he gave a smile of satisfaction and then took off.
	Let's take a look.
	She's got a lot of video footage here on 153 News.
	Let's take a look.
	Here we go.
	Some stink in this.
	All right.
	Let me see if I can move it a little further.
	I think that may be better than this.
	Um I think it may have been the third here.
	This one.
	Let me see if I can know how many masters there have been in America over the last 10 years.
	Because the guy in the browser not counting.
	There it is.
	You're on the street.
	You can cut your sleeve.
	Charlie goes down.
	There you go.
	Go, go, go.
	How many have an observer?
	Everybody follow me in the back!
	And there's no blood behind.
	He's carried off again.
	There's no blood dripping.
	There's no blood on his tapers.
	Holy shit.
	in America over the last 10 years.
	You gotta understand we're not talking about a gun here.
	We're talking about Hollywood style special effect under his shirt.
	There's a squib, and it seemed to be mostly hair, but it blows up his shirt.
	It makes people think something is happening, and then he flips backward.
	People assume from the force of the bullet hitting his body, but it's all stage, it's all special effects.
	We have now further confirmation from Candace Owens, who's got uh a video from the side from the back.
	There's nothing gory about this footage from the back.
	The thing that really stood out to me, and I just kept asking him to replay it over and over and over again, is that there's no blood.
	There's no blood um from the back.
	There's there is no blood.
	So I think a lot of people were wondering whether or not that bullet pierced and went out to the back.
	I think I vaguely even remember, and Skyler, you can maybe live look this up.
	But like I thought the feds were saying they were looking for a bullet at some point, which is now very alarming to me.
	I don't understand that.
	How could they have been looking for a bullet?
	Because if I'm not seeing, and there isn't, I'm telling you, what happens in the front is not what happens in the back at all.
	Um if I'm not seeing any blood, uh, what what are we to take from that?
	The only thing that could make sense if what they're saying is true, and that person took the shot from the place that they are saying that individual took the shot from.
	Um it would suggest that it's an it was inside of Charlie, right?
	And they would know that the feds would have known that, so they would have communicated that they were never looking for a bullet because remember, one shot.
	So I'm very confused.
	I'm very confused, not by what I saw, but what I didn't see.
	Well, she is a dear person.
	I'm uh huge fan of Canvas.
	Joe, I wanted your take.
	No blood, no bullet.
	He was shot in the neck, allegedly with a 30 odd six.
	I mean, tell me how absurd can we get, Joe.
	Yeah, that's a uh 180 grain bullet with uh a uh 2700 foot per second muzzle velocity.
	It's gonna blow your head completely off if you're hitting your neck.
	That uh initial clip that you showed with uh Max Blumenthal, uh, that's a guy named Nima.
	His website is uh Dialogue Works, and the actual title of that is Charlie Kirk's story falls apart.
	So if anybody wants to watch the whole 60 minutes, I agree.
	I watched the whole 60 minutes, it's like incredible.
	Another guy that's done some fairly good research on this is George Webb.
	And uh his last name was Swigert, S-W E I G E R T. Uh, he openly confesses to being uh raised Jewish, but he's going out of his way to say that Israel had absolutely nothing to do with this, and then you've got all of this stuff going on with uh Nutyahu,
	who's created all these wars said 911 was good for Israel, uh, got us involved in Afghanistan and Iraq so he could book in both sides of uh Iran because in 56 BC, Ned Rakiniza came over and burned down their temple because he got tired of the baby raping cannibals stealing their children.
	So they've had this bloodlust against Saran for um 2500 years.
	And he also got us involved in overthrowing uh all the governments in Mideast with the um Arab Spring bullshit, and now uh Nutyahu's gone out of his way to say uh what a wonderful support of Israel he was, and he was because that's who he's being paid for.
	So Charlie's got a problem there.
	But uh, as far as Netty Yahoo, I'm reminded of the Hamlet line.
	The lady doth protest too much.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Going on five or six times right off the bat, even before the world knew he was dead, claiming Charlie's, I guess he was outrageous.
	This is blown up in the face of Zionism.
	I have never seen such a spectacular event.
	It nerves up negative fallout for the Zionist occupation forces here in America and worldwide.
	It is shattering.
	No one can believe, since it's Zionists had the motive, the means, and the opportunity they didn't do it.
	But I take it like Butler.
	Trump got wind of an actual plot to kill him, and he flipped a sweat, faked it, came out the hero.
	Charlie flipped the sweat, made a fake killing so he could escape from the scene unscathed.
	Chris, I'm very keen to have your thoughts, Chris.
	Yeah, I'm a little bit late to the party, but I uh I'm definitely uh caught caught up with the last few days.
	I'm on board with you guys.
	It's it's kind of funny because the reason that I contacted you was because I thought the Charlie Kirk thing was real on Thursday.
	They were here at CSU.
	I was gonna go.
	Um, but I had to work.
	I couldn't get I couldn't get the night off.
	And then the next day I just started thinking, maybe for no reason at all, maybe this was staged as the conspiracy theorist guy.
	You have to look at uh every possibility, right?
	And then I I've watched a couple of your videos on Rumble explaining this, and now it'll it all it all makes sense.
	This makes more sense than the than the than the net than the narrative, like always, right?
	That's a nice point, Chris.
	Yeah, we're talking about inference of the best explanation, which hypothesis, if it were true, would confirm the higher probability on the evidence.
	Uh take the real shooting.
	What is a probability of a real shooting?
	It would have been this kid off on this rooftop who changes his clothes, who disassembles, reassembles the web, and leaves it in the woods.
	When he is reported to have no marksmanship training, we got a whole story of fantasy about dating his roommate who's a boy transitioning to a girl.
	I mean, but then the absence of blood.
	You don't have any blood behind Charlie.
	There's no blood from the camera, really, basically from the side.
	The blood is actually added.
	It's very clear from the CGI.
	We'll probably find the blood is not being absorbed into the fabric of his t-shirt.
	It's like it's a layer on top, and that's because it is a layer on top.
	It is CGI.
	And Vivian explained brilliantly how they use the guys in who claimed to be the shooter as a distraction to let the AI guys add the CGI and then release a video with a fake blood just gushing out.
	Well, it was pushing out like that.
	There should have been blood all over the place.
	It's not even on his sneakers, which are gleaming white as they carry him off to the SUV.
	There's no blood on the ground, there's no blood anywhere.
	This is preposterous.
	If you have a cause, you must have the effect.
	Gunshot, what?
	If no effect, no blood, no cause, no gunshot.
	Chris.
	Yeah.
	I just saw a video yesterday by uh a man on YouTube.
	He was a sniper.
	He said that that bullet would have gone straight through him.
	You were talking about this just a few minutes ago earlier.
	So that's another thing.
	And I had it wrong.
	I thought maybe they were doing this to push uh the Christian agenda or the conservative agenda.
	And then they're saying it's just to keep him safe.
	But obviously, there's just there's a lot going on.
	Chris, a week ago, Friday, I was explaining how it was a Mossad hit that the sniper was 400 yards away, lower elevation, taking him out.
	Then I did this massive work on it and came back on Monday with with Joe and with uh Monique and with uh a guy who Danny Ciras, who has 25 years in Law and Wars went plus, and Danny and I have cracked many cases.
	He was the first to realize the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash was completely fake, that they had dumped all this helicopter wreckage on a roadway, very convenient.
	It wasn't even from Kobe's chopper.
	Then we had a report, somebody in a in a porn store in in Ohio had seen Kobe and he made a dash for the accent.
	I mean, it's just outrageous how this goes.
	Joe, your thoughts.
	Uh yeah, well, it wasn't a coincidence that this happened on September 10th because there was a three-day conference going on in Washington, D.C. called Turning the Tide, and the speakers from that ended up canceling because of the uh threats of that.
	Uh Tucker Carlson postponed his uh five-part series on uh how Mossad was involved in the 9-1-1 issue.
	And then uh they're trying to capture the complete media, and they need to capture the youth market, and so they forced TikTok into a sale, and who's buying it?
	Uh Ellison with Oracle, Silver Lake, and uh Andrew Horowitz, who are all Zion Zionist billionaires, and they told a lady named Erica Mendel, who's a former IDF soldier who's in charge and was hate speech monitor for the uh Mossad for years over there in Israel, and she's gonna be the one in charge of TikTok.
	So they're already there.
	They're already censoring TikTok, which was one of the last real bastions of free speech.
	You can put anything up on TikTok.
	Now it's a Zionist.
	They got another Zionist billionaire just bought CBS, Joe.
	They're gonna try to buy up all the mainstream media, which fortunately have been lewing their readership.
	Everyone's going to hawk because you can't get a truth from the mainstream, and it's only going to get worse crits.
	This might be just a coincidence, but the day before he was shot was 999, which is a backwards upside down 666.
	99, 2 plus 2 plus 0 plus 5 is 9.
	I mean, they probably would have rather done it on 999, but he he wasn't speaking that day, maybe, so they waited till a couple hours after that.
	It was coordinated.
	It was two and a half hours before this massive 9-11 conference to which Joe alluded was to begin.
	And also it wiped the Epstein files off the front page.
	It was percolating at that point in time.
	But the fact of the matter is, it's massively backfiring on Israel, on Zionism, on the genocide.
	I'm getting reports.
	Democrats are leaving the party by the droves over the Charlie Kirk shooting because it'd be attributed to a leftist.
	It's grotesque, just grotesque.
	Yeah, you know, um, they're they're trying my I personally, I've been following the situation in the UK a lot.
	They're trying to start these race wars.
	They're trying to get as many Muslims and Africans in Europe and the UK as they can.
	They and I'm I just think they're gonna turn the power out.
	They're getting the conservatives and the and the liberals in our country to the civil war on on is uh is on the verge.
	It's just that's their depopulation agenda, or they're taking complete control agenda.
	I I think uh it's only a matter of time.
	Yeah, I think the timing is extraordinary.
	You always want to look at that.
	But this was totally contrived.
	Charlie, of course, was all in on it.
	I think he was given an offer silver or lead.
	Maybe it offered 150 mil for turning point.
	A lot of that would have gone into Charlie Pocket.
	He turned it down.
	They were gonna take him out.
	So he figured out a way to split the difference, save his life.
	They've even got a double for his wife now, so that she can join him.
	It's that bad.
	Stand by everybody.
	We'll be right back with Joe Olson and Chris Saddeck.
	And by the Patricia Heaton reveals the gut health secret Hollywood tried to hide.
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	And of course, Candace is puzzled.
	She's a very genuine person.
	She knew Charlie was turning on Israel.
	It confided in her.
	He confided in Tucker.
	He confided in Clayton Mayo knew.
	Charlie was turning on Israel.
	He was wandering off the Zionist reservation.
	And as Joe was remarking before the show, that members are turning point.
	This Gen Z had turned against Israel.
	Polling showed 65%.
	We're supporting Hamas.
	Only 24.
	We're supporting the idea.
	That is stunning.
	Meanwhile, we have Oliver Stone and his son Sean on with Piers Morgan talking about Charlie Kirk.
	It's a very tragic situation, and it's a resumption.
	That period in the 1960s when four of our national leaders were assassinated.
	Very disturbing.
	And we should remember the old assassinations because we had we never solved them.
	There's a lot of question marks, and let's let's see what gets revealed.
	Will there be a trial by Lee Harvey Oswald never have, for example?
	How do you think RFK was killed?
	The bodyguard shot him directly point blank in the head.
	The United States is unable to tell the truth about its mistakes and its failures.
	Does it ring true to you that a 22-year-old young radicalized man could with a single shot pull off that assassination without other help?
	America has a long and tragic history of political assassination, the subject which could seldom be more pertinent than this week.
	Robert F. Kennedy was fatally shot 57 years ago, leaving behind a complex legacy and an indelible mark on American history.
	Legendary film director Oliver Stone and his son Sean have delved into his incredible story and shocking demise in their new documentary, RFK Legacy, and they join me now.
	But welcome to both of you.
	Sean, we've never met.
	Great to meet you, albeit virtually.
	Oliver, great to see you again.
	Been a few years since we we lost uh we're in this situation.
	So great to see you.
	Yeah.
	How are you, Oliver Festival?
	Yeah, you've been in you you've been very hot topics.
	You've been very busy in the last few years.
	Yeah, well, you know all about hot topics.
	Um it has been hot topics.
	It's very it feels very timely to have you guys with me to talk about this particular subject of your film, given what happened last week.
	And it sort of feels odd not to start with that.
	When you when you heard about the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Oliver, what was your reaction to it?
	What did you feel?
	Uh of uh Mr. Kirk.
	Yeah.
	I regret it.
	Uh it's a very tragic situation, and it's the resumption of that period in the 1960s when four of our national leaders were assassinated.
	Very disturbing and indicative of a violence in the in the in the in the in the citizenry that divide I mean that's kind of sad that Oliver would allow himself to be played.
	Meanwhile, here we have someone more on top of the situation.
	Phil Goldewick talking about the wickedness.
	I was there on the side Sound to us.
	Steve.
	Another way of the uh I am not like I said, I'm not fully set up in here yet, so things are gonna look a little bit weird uh for the time being.
	But um the sound quality should be a lot better, and the uh connectivity should be a lot better in this property as well.
	So uh we have a long show here.
	I know it's late on the East Coast, especially.
	It's already seven o'clock here on the West.
	Um I apologize for that, but putting the content together in the way that I wanted to put it together was much more important than um just throwing it together and and making it look you know, however.
	Uh I didn't want to do that, and I didn't do that, so I took my time.
	Uh it's been crazy here because Carrie's birthday was Tuesday, and I didn't necessarily have the time that I wanted to put everything together in the in the in the manner in which I wanted to put it together.
	And then in addition to it being Carrie's birthday, we moved into the property starting Monday.
	So it was Monday move in, Tuesday, birthday move in, go on the lake, Wednesday move in, but still birthday, Thursday still move in.
	Effect, but uh I make it up just to adjust the lighting in here because I'm not talking about himself too much.
	Get to the point.
	Shooter, where's the shooter and all that stuff?
	Okay.
	So let's get into some really crazy bullsh excuse me, bullshit first.
	The Erica Kirk casket video.
	I don't have the video to put on the screen uh right now, but I do have screenshots of the video.
	If you actually want to um watch the video, the Erica Kirk casket video where Charlie is laying in the casket and Erica is sobbing and saying some stuff to him.
	You could easily find that just by looking at Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk casket video.
	I don't have the video, but I do have some still photographs that we're going to look at.
	So let's look at the first here.
	Okay.
	This is a still screenshot from the Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk casket video.
	You could see Charlie laying in the casket.
	Erica Kirk is holding his right hand with her left hand.
	She appears to have a uh eagle, some sort of American eagle.
	Looks like it's bronze.
	Um, and this was, of course, part of a many minute video uh of Erica visiting Charlie.
	I kind of distraught that he's saying it's Charlie.
	It's obviously not Charlie, it's a mannequin.
	The hands are robber.
	There have been plenty of individuals that have been commenting on this, and that he doesn't even have the uh video is rather surprising to me.
	Casket.
	Okay, go to the next slide.
	What I want to focus on right now, and I want what I want you guys to focus on is that button.
	Do you see that lower button in Charlie Kirk's suit jacket?
	He's obviously wearing a very navy blue jacket with the top button buttoned, and the second button underneath that one unbuttoned.
	I want to focus on that button.
	We're gonna talk about that button uh real quick here.
	What I did was I took a computer program, a software program, and I uh inputted the length of the button, the length from the photo.
	Okay, this is obviously a close-up shot of the same exact casket video that Erica was just in in the first photo that you see on the screen right here.
	Um the next photo over there to your right hand side, that is of the same exact shot.
	It's just what Erica removed.
	Focusing on that button, let me see if I can make this a little larger for you guys to see what I'm talking about.
	There we go.
	Focusing on that button right there where you see the two uh sort of bullseye um circles, the the circles with the two crosses in the middle of them.
	Underneath that, those two circles right here where my mouse is on the screen.
	Underneath that, you could see the button.
	And what this is doing is it's detecting the edges of that suit button.
	So the top circle right here, that is detecting the edge of the button on the north side, and the bottom circle right here with the cross in it is detecting the edge of the button on the south side.
	Now, why are we detecting edges of buttons?
	Well, let's talk.
	Got to zoom out.
	Sorry, I forgot.
	Oh, that's lovely.
	They think my mouse just died.
	Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
	Let me get some juice in there.
	Let me get some juice in there.
	I'd love it if it get to the point.
	Okay.
	Guys, I don't know if you could still hear me.
	If you could, uh I am completely frozen.
	I have no system control.
	um i have froze Let me see what's going on.
	I'm gonna check uh.
	Now if he's gonna compare the length of the fingers and so forth with uh the real Charlie Kirk.
	That's how you're going to be able to do that.
	I have no right now.
	You hear me?
	Okay, good.
	They don't even know it's a good thing.
	Somebody just texted me.
	They said we hear you.
	Hate wearing glasses or for crying out loud.
	Ads on Rumble.
	It's like a ridiculous thing.
	But the good news is, as soon as it rebooted, it um it took me right back to where I was.
	So uh a little bit of a obviously a little bit of a uh glitch there.
	If it happens again, I'll just come back again.
	So I'm finishing this show tonight because I know that this show is a very important show, and if there's some sort of trickery going on uh with you know shutting down my feed or um giving me some sort of computer error, it's not gonna work because I'm gonna get through the show if it takes six hours to get through the show.
	I'm getting through the show.
	So uh go F yourself.
	Okay.
	Not you, of course, but if anybody's messing with me, you could go after yourself.
	All right.
	So let's get back to the presentation.
	Let me just get my spot here real quick, guys.
	Sorry about that.
	All right.
	No idea this would be so tedious.
	Let's see if there's a payoff.
	Okay, we should have the uh spot that we were in before.
	We were talking about the button.
	Okay, so I'm just gonna repeat quickly.
	The lower button that we see in the left hand picture with Erica Kirk is the same button that is in the right hand picture.
	It is just a zoomed in version, and the uh circles that you see with the cross in the middle is a software that detects images edges.
	So I'm sorry, it detects an edge in an image.
	Uh so those circles are detecting the edges of the buttons.
	Now, I'm gonna make this larger, which is what I did before before my screen shut down.
	And I'm gonna show you this photo down here.
	You can see that those white circles on your screen right there are very clearly detecting the exact edges of the button on Charlie's coat.
	Why are we doing that?
	Ivermytham was the boogeyman drug during COVID.
	Couldn't talk about it, couldn't get it anywhere, even though it was known to be an antiviral.
	Because we know that that button is exactly 19 millimeters.
	Why does the 19 millimeter measurement matter?
	It matters a lot because that's called frame of reference.
	How do we know that it's 19 millimeters?
	Let me show you.
	Whoops.
	A standard button on a suit is jacket front buttons, as you can see on the right hand side of your screen, are 19 millimeters.
	That is indicated by the red arrow.
	So if we know that that button on Charlie's coat is 19 millimeters, and we put it into this software program, you will see anything that is in the photo.
	Anything that remains in the photo could accurately be measured.
	Okay.
	So in this case, I asked the program to select two points on Charlie's right hand.
	And it ended up being the two points between Charlie's middle knuckle, which is this knuckle here, and Charlie's middle knuckle.
	I'm sorry, middle knuckles here, and Charlie's first knuckle on his uh middle finger, and that is of course on his right hand.
	Okay, so let's go back to this.
	You could see now that the button in the top left corner of this screenshot measures at 19 millimeters.
	Charlie's hand, we selected two points on Charlie's right hand between his middle knuckle and his first knuckle on his middle finger on his right hand.
	Now this is the casket.
	This is from the casket video, obviously.
	We then went to find a known photo of Charlie Kirk's right hand, which was easily distinguishable, exactly like the casket video hand was easily distinguishable.
	So this was Charlie speaking at an event.
	I can't exactly remember where, but as you could see from the red arrows in the photo on the right hand side, this software, it's the same program.
	This software detected two points on Charlie's hand on his right hand, middle finger, between the middle knuckle and the first knuckle on Charlie's middle finger.
	Okay.
	So what we're doing here is we are looking for length because the first thing that I saw when I saw that casket video was the hands did not match what I am typically used to seeing from Charlie Kirk.
	I have met Charlie Kirk.
	I have shaken Charlie Kirk's hand.
	Charlie is a very tall individual and he has very large hands.
	If you look at this photo on the right hand side where the two white circles are with the in the edge indicators, that is a large hand.
	The hand in the casket on the left hand side doesn't appear to be as large.
	Okay.
	Let's move on.
	We already talked about the buttons.
	Now in this photo, this is simply saying that that button we know is a known measurement.
	How do we know that?
	Because it is a standard suit coat button.
	There's nothing special about that button.
	In fact, if you zoom into a clearer photo of Charlie's suit and you zoom in on that button, you will see that it is the same exact button that is in the right hand photo over here.
	That button is the same as this button.
	Okay.
	We know that that's 19 millimeters.
	So if we put that into the software, we then get kicked out a measurement from the software.
	Since we know the size of this button, and we detected those edges, we now detected the edges of Charlie's right middle finger, middle knuckle on his right hand, and his first knuckle right here.
	That length comes out to exactly 68 millimeters.
	That is the length of the distance between Charlie's middle knuckle and Charlie's first knuckle on his right hand, on his right finger.
	We now know that because the size of the button tells us that.
	If you want to play with software, go find one.
	There's many out there that'll do the same exact thing.
	Now in this photo of Charlie Kirk, you could see now the right hand photo is much more much larger, where you're not just seeing his hand as you did before.
	In this photo, we see Charlie's wearing a different suit, but still has standard buttons.
	These are standard size buttons.
	Okay.
	And what I did in this was I looked at one of those buttons and I measured it.
	I wanted to find the edges on the right side of the button and on the left side of the button.
	And we already know that distance.
	That's not an unknown distance to us.
	We know that distance.
	How do we know that distance?
	Because of this.
	A sleeve and pant button on a standard suit, which is what Charlie's wearing.
	A non-standard suit would be something with like bronze buttons or gold buttons or something like that.
	These are standard buttons.
	They're all made exactly the same.
	There is no size difference whatsoever.
	Okay.
	On this sleeve button, you could see that the sleeve buttons are exactly 15 millimeters.
	So we know that the buttons that We see in this photo are 15 millimeters.
	And because we know that we could now get an accurate length of the same distance on Charlie's right middle finger on his right hand between his first knuckle and his second knuckle.
	And that I'm sorry, his middle knuckle and his first knuckle.
	That distance comes out to be 59.7 millimeters.
	So in one photo on the left-hand side, you have a distance of 68 millimeters.
	On the known photo of Charlie, you have a distance of 59.7 millimeters.
	You would say, well, Phil.
	You know, it's only a difference of under 10 millimeters, right?
	Well, actually, it's a distance of 8.3 millimeters.
	And maybe that doesn't sound like a lot to you.
	8.3 millimeters.
	Well, he's proven his point without any doubt, and somehow I managed to lose the 8.3 millimeters.
	Video here.
	Difference.
	There we are.
	Between the casket photo of Charlie's right hand and the known photo of Charlie's right hand from speak a speaking event.
	8.3 millimeters is a little bit less than the size of two pencil erasers put together.
	Let me bring in Joe.
	I mean, obviously, the dummy the casket is not Charlie Kirk.
	You know, there's a principle in the law false and one false and all.
	Once we start putting together some of these frauds, it's very obvious a whole damn thing is a sham.
	Your comments.
	Well, they started off with the JFK, so I was gonna really cover that a little bit.
	Uh, we met at the JFK conference in 2018 up in Dallas, which was a wonderful event.
	Uh, I was insulted that they did this operation in Texas.
	I knew that LBJ was an absolute 100% uh criminal.
	Uh, from his theft of the 1948 election, I was in high school at the time.
	Um, I don't want to, I don't want to go to JFK now.
	We can do that by and by.
	I want to talk about Charlie.
	And we can come back to JFK.
	We're gonna have time for that.
	Chris, your thoughts.
	Yeah, I just um just a couple things.
	Um, I I just think it's uh I was looking at the uh 1943 version of Chicken Little and uh during the COVID thing, and it if you watch that Foxy Loxy has a psychology book, and they're they're basically laying out the steps that they use for all of these manipulations.
	The first one is to influence the masses, aim at the least intelligent.
	Then if you tell a big lie, if you tell a lie, don't tell a small one, tell a big one.
	Undermine the faith of the masses and their leaders with flattery, insignificant people can be will feel like natural born leaders, and then the last one at the end of the at the cartoon, he says, Don't believe everything you read.
	If you want like if you want if you relate it to COVID, you have Faucius Chicken Little, COVID is the sky is falling, cocky rocky is your conspiracy theorist.
	Everybody uh the cave is the vaccine in the where they get all the chickens to go, and he basically the you got the jitterbirds, the youth are idiots.
	Uh, he lays out uh for the for the he shows the women as being gossips and Karen's, and then he says all the males are either like alcoholics or they're like uh like college professor, the intellectual kind of like we got what we have going on in the universities today, where they're just passing on the propaganda and the narrative, and then of the team America movie, the South Park guys made it's just funny.
	They're I mean, in the Team America movie, they're using actors, good actors, real actors, but in all these hoaxes, they're using horrible actors, and to me, that is the smoking gun for all of these things.
	You mentioned there was no blood with the Charlie Kirk thing.
	If you watch the Boston bombing, they're pushing a man in a wheelchair that's had his legs blown off, and there's no blood, he's still conscious after like 10 minutes.
	Um, and then uh, like I was saying, like Gene Rosen.
	Uh, I keep showing my my co-workers, my my friends, the McDonnell video, the interview with Anderson Cooper, where they're just laughing and smiling.
	They called CNN four days after their daughter was murdered, and all of the comments.
	People are saying this is a psychological impossibility.
	No, I was more upset when my cat died than these people are.
	Yes, yes.
	I had to put down my favorite cat, and I cried like a baby.
	And these people are laughing, joking, smiling.
	Chris, you're on top of it.
	Let me get back to Joe.
	Give him a chance.
	I didn't want to cut you off, my friend, but don't you think he's got a nice, meticulous, quantitative proof.
	Uh, what's in the casket ain't Charlie Kirk.
	Yeah, when I saw the first images of that, she gave a pretty stirring speech, and I like the part about uh the cries of this widow, uh, because she would be the natural leader to take over his operation and keep the Zionists from poisoning the message, because she probably is an honest Christian.
	Uh, but the hands look completely fake.
	And so uh immediately I thought, well, there's a possibility that that's what's going on.
	Uh the problem is we're not gonna get the truth out of this government because it's 100% compromised.
	Well, we're taking the truth out.
	We can assess the integrity of the government on the basis of what they tell us when we already know the truth.
	Give us more thoughts, Chris.
	Yeah, I saw I saw the video of um Charlie Kirk's wife speaking, and I I thought it was odd that they would have her speak so soon.
	She was more convincing, except I mean, there was one point where she mentioned Trump and she kind of smiled.
	I was thinking, why would they maybe they made her she's got to be a leader now if he's really dead.
	Maybe that's why she has to appear in front of camera.
	But I once again we got duper's delight in there, Chris.
	You know, yeah, exactly.
	Can't resist smiling because they can't believe anyone would take him seriously.
	Yeah, if she was really suffering, she would she was glowing when she was talking about uh how Trump loved Charlie and Charlie loved Trump, and I just felt like that was the one part of the video where I'm I'm kind of like, I don't I'm I think she's she's lying here.
	She's she she might be acting.
	Yeah, fake him from the beginning.
	Not enough emotion, not enough.
	I think when they did the they did the casket, they had her overdue because now all of a sudden she's crying tears over these rubber heads of a mannequin.
	Those are definitely rubber hands.
	I did not I have not seen the video or I'll have to go back and look at that.
	It is embarrassing.
	Embarrassing.
	Joe, a final thought before we hit our next break.
	Uh, yeah, when they asked Trump about uh what he thought about Charlie Kirk, he goes, Yeah, that was really sad.
	By the way, I'm tearing down the east wing of the wine building a 600-seat uh ballroom.
	It's gonna be really big, it's gonna be really great.
	Yeah, this is a guy that uh put in Doge, D-O-G-E, with uh Musk back in when it when he first got in in office, and they immediately identified the National Endowment for Democracy as one of the CIA front companies that overthrows governments worldwide.
	They shut it down, and then New Atlas Brian Burch uh Berkeley says that they're currently running uh NED operations in the Philippines, Indonesia, and Nepal, and they're doing the same thing.
	They're taking the Gen Z folks and turning them up to overthrow their governments.
	Joe, we're on a break.
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	Well, Winter Watch has pointed out this memorial service for Charlie Kirk turned into a festive occasion.
	I mean, totally inappropriate.
	Here's Adam tweeting.
	Is it just me?
	That's been getting a strange vibe from this whole thing.
	The funeral seemed to have been subverted into a dust world wrestling entertainment Zykon rally.
	Let's see what Hello.
	Ah there's so much bullshit going on here.
	Unbelievable.
	And here we have Kirk honored by Trump.
	And here the Daily News is somehow depriving us.
	But I'm telling you that every aspect of this thing is weird, completely weird, totally inappropriate.
	Chris, give me your thoughts.
	Yeah.
	You know, I've been trying to, I was trying to contact Turning Point USA Um to give them my information.
	All I have uh an absurd amount of evidence.
	You know, it's it's almost it's almost confusing because it's so much.
	But I just thought um, I felt like I was in danger.
	Something happened to me uh a few days before Charlie.
	Um, I just feel like the more people that I talk to, the more people I tell the safer that I will be.
	But uh turning point USA, they they have a chapter here at DU at University of Denver, and I just kept they have an email thing, and I just kept telling them, you know, I I want to help you.
	I feel like uh there's they're just taking us out one at a time.
	I'd like to get this information out before something bad happens to me.
	And they just never they never responded to me.
	That's why I was hoping to go up on Thursday to see us you and maybe meet somebody higher up, but honestly, I'm glad it worked out because I was I was not on the right page with everything that's going on that day.
	It took me uh it was a couple of days after that when I finally caught up with oh, this is another false flag.
	Oh, yeah, total a hundred percent.
	It's all it's like uh Occam's race, what is it?
	Whatever makes the most sense.
	Joe, do you have any doubts this was uh pony control?
	Well, we know who's gonna be doing the cover up.
	Uh on uh the 17th of September, Grassley was having a hearing uh on FBI targeted turning point USA with an operation Arctic Frost.
	Whistleblowers inside the FBI have said that they targeted thousands of uh uh right wing groups uh nationwide, including Catholics that wanted to have litany's in Latin, um pro-life groups, uh the RNC, they were absolutely had hundreds of FBI agents going out and pounding the ground.
	So if they're the ones that are in charge of this investigation, you can bet they're gonna be skewing the evidence exactly the way they want to get the exact outcome that they wanted.
	And I knew what when um Jacob Rosenstein shot Lee Harvey Oswald on the twenty-fourth, two days after uh JFK, that this was an inside job because there's no way that you could get into that type of a security situation without somebody in the FBI or the Dallas PD knowing about it.
	And so bottom line is I've known since 63 to not trust anything that the J or Hoover uh operation and it hasn't gotten any better.
	Joe, when uh Nigel Turner did his men who killed Kennedy's seventh episode called The Smoking Guns, he asked me to explain 15 indications of Secret Service complicity and setting him up for the hit and covering it up.
	I mean, you know, the Secret Service was all in.
	It's like when Henry Gonzalez, Democrat Congressman from Texas warned Jack not to go.
	He stepped outside and came back and said, No, Henry, I've just checked with his Secret Service, and everything's all set.
	What he didn't know was everything was all set for his assassination.
	If he blessed Henry, they left two guys at the love field that would have been right on the limo.
	They put the vehicles in the wrong position.
	They didn't weld the manhole covers, they left the windows open.
	They turned down this the crowd control, the crowd was spilling into the street.
	They changed the motorcade route, they let him take more than a 90-degree turn.
	They actually brought the limousine to a halt that's when taken out of the film to make sure he'd be whacked.
	They took the X-rays uh and uh photograph before they'd even been developed, and the next time we find him, they've been altered, they've been faked.
	I mean, it's unreal.
	This Secret Service was all in.
	Chris, you're talking about Boston bombing Sandy Hook.
	I got uh a lot of your stuff here.
	Shall we take a look at some of it?
	Yes, absolutely.
	You you got beginning, it says Sandy Hook hoax evidence.
	How about that for a starter?
	You want to go ahead and just talk about what we got here?
	Yeah, so I mean, the the big thing the the original thing was uh uh right the first video I saw, someone put a video out saying that the kids, the victim photos were just old pictures of the children that performed at the halftime show of Super Bowl 47.
	I didn't even watch the video.
	I gathered all of the pictures of the victims and as many pictures of the Super Bowl kids as I could find, and I tried to match them up myself.
	Some of them are harder to see, but a lot of them are are uh are really easy to see just by matching up the facial facial features.
	Once again, we have uh there's just constantly parents grinning, um acting weird.
	Robbie Parker was another uh like um smoking gun.
	Uh once again, if you read the comments on they YouTube, I can't believe they leave this stuff up for people to see, but all the comments agree.
	No one that lost their daughter that day or the day before would be talking like this, acting like this.
	Somebody made a joke right before he was coming on camera, and he's got this grin on his face.
	I think he doesn't think he was being filmed yet.
	And I I obviously am a little bit obsessive, compulsive.
	I just get as many, I just take pictures of my screens and I record the videos with my phone.
	They do they do erase a lot of this stuff.
	I have things that I've captured that are no longer available on YouTube and the internet.
	Chris, I know.
	Uh I know who did it.
	He's taken down 1,500 videos.
	He took down a bunch of mine, he sued me.
	He goes by the legal fiction Lenny Posner.
	But let me mention friends in the Sandia community, including here, this was Emily Parker.
	Yeah, she's uh she's a live and well a friend of mine.
	There's a Victoria Soto.
	She's alive and well in a friend of mine.
	They've sent me a lot of stuff, proving the whole thing was a fraud because of course it was a FEMA drill presented as mass murder to promote gun control.
	And here he got a bunch of photos of Robbie coming out all jocular, laughing.
	He's not even her father, he's her uncle.
	Not even her father.
	And these these are not her sisters, they're her cousins.
	This is Photoshop.
	You can see that the girl with the red has no legs.
	And they're and another thing, they're always giving the devil horn sign.
	And here you got the McCalls as you were saying, they're just laughing, cheering.
	You know, they're so happy to be on national television.
	It has nothing to do with having lost a child because they didn't lose a child.
	Yeah, obviously.
	Now we may disagree about some of the hands.
	I've only found one or two of the kids who were at the Super Bowl who were actually uh among the alleged victims, but they've been very uh secretive about it.
	Averyl Richmond, that's a great case because she has this weird uh birthmark on her forehead.
	She was one of those at the Super Bowl singing.
	Ben Wheeler, I mean Grace McDonald.
	Yeah, I think Josephine Gay and Olivia Engel are the easiest ones to see.
	Uh this worries me a little bit.
	Um, I'm pretty sure that this character, I don't know what his real name was, but Mark Grimmy and Adam Lanza are the same fellow.
	And Mark Grimmy, I just found a couple days ago.
	He a year ago, he started doing interviews again.
	They have the Christina Grimmy Foundation on the West Coast and Sandy Hook Promise on the East Coast.
	Okay, you got some Sandy Hook chopper footage.
	Tell us about this.
	What do you think?
	So you and uh Wolfgang Halbig.
	Um, a couple we're talking about how dilapidated and dirty the school was.
	And I I uh I I went to Western Connecticut State University.
	I graduated from there.
	That's why what drew me into this, and it's an extremely wealthy area.
	I was selling Kirby vacuum cleaners for three thousand dollars a piece in 1994, driving around Newtown all yeah, wow, yeah.
	So and then there's a very, very wealthy people.
	Another thing I gotta point out there's no diversity in that choir whatsoever.
	Hey, yeah, the area is 85% white, but you should still have some Asians, some brown skinned people.
	Uh, and another thing I noticed they have the the parking lot is completely blocked off in four different places.
	There is no way for anyone to get into or out of the set.
	Of course, yeah.
	Uh, and then they have this uh they had some course, some sort of one more time.
	Yeah, so this this is uh there's supposed to be a that's the playground there on the bottom of children.
	It's like there's nothing to do.
	4896 months.
	Let's say it's first grade through sixth grade.
	That would be a hundred kids in each school.
	I would have paid through four.
	This school look big enough to hold 500 kids, and then it's an elementary school in a very, very wealthy part of the country.
	There's no playground.
	There is, but it's very small.
	They explained to me, my Sandy Hook friends.
	It wasn't even an elementary school, it was a special needs school.
	They just put up the name elementary and let it get weathered.
	It actually shut in 2006 when Eric Holder came down and offered the community 114 million to do this to illustrate what could happen if we don't take guns away from the public.
	Uh and they they had auditions for roles, Chris.
	They signed non-disclosure agreements, they still have benefits to this day, they don't pay any taxes, they get free college tuition.
	I mean, the whole thing is insulting beyond belief.
	Stop exactly there's nowhere for the look at there's nowhere for these kids to do anything at recess.
	I think there's like a little like a court back here.
	Yeah, actually there's like way, I can't even so small.
	I there's a there's a private school nearby, no one knows.
	It's called the Adventure Center, and they realized they didn't have equipment, so they brought some of the playground equipment up from the adventure center to the what was gonna become it was actually called Sandy Hook School.
	See, and you got signs that say Sandy Hook School, and people don't realize it doesn't say elementary because it wasn't elementary.
	See, people are such suckers and saps.
	Um yeah, and then we have no ambulances anywhere.
	All those cars are facing the same direction.
	They pull it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, but you as I heard me explain that, right?
	And there's no blue and white signage, so it's not even legal because it's not no handicap signs.
	They're on they're on the ground, but they don't have the posts.
	Yeah, and then it's it's complete.
	There's and of course, there's no victims on their tarps.
	Yeah, if you watch the you can watch 12 minutes of helicopter footage on you, it's still there.
	There the cops are just mo there's nobody doing anything, nobody goes into outer of the school, they're just moseying around.
	I know, and then you like uh Gene Rosen, he's pretty pathetic.
	Yeah, he was doing he was doing anti-gun uh talks for FEMA before Andy Hook.
	I mean, he I didn't know that.
	Yeah, and he's a pathetic actor.
	I mean, that's so bad how many ways he botched his story, just Embarrassingly bad.
	Go ahead, Chris.
	Talk.
	I heard he got uh the FBI had to start answering his phone calls because he was getting so many death threats from people that figured out he was lying.
	Yeah.
	Um I have a picture of they they have a black uh Honda that looks like the window was broken out.
	That's the same car, model car, same color as the one they had parked in front of the school.
	There maybe it was a backup vehicle, or they were gonna tell the story differently, like somebody shot through the window or something.
	But yeah, this is Mark Grimmy, the guy on the right is his name is Kevin James Loible.
	Christina Grimmy was shot.
	Are you talking to Eric?
	This guy?
	No, I'm sorry, the other guy.
	The guy on the yeah, he he was the shooter.
	That's the only picture of him from the Christina Grimmy shooting.
	His name was Kevin James, which is the mall cop actor's name, Loyable, and and she was shot in a mall in Orlando.
	Uh, the story is that the fellow there with his glasses, uh brother, um tour manager.
	After he he was sitting next to Christina, the guy shot Christina, and then he tackled the guy.
	They wrestled, the guy got up and shot himself.
	Didn't shoot, didn't shoot Mark or anybody else, just shot Christina and then shot himself.
	Um I just you have to look at the individual, they photoshopped all these, all these pictures of Adam are photoshopped.
	They changed his eyes and his nose a little bit, but if you look at his lips, his chin, his jawline, even his hair, the way it curled.
	Look at the way his ears pop out from under his hair.
	He has some very serious acne or something on both sides of his face.
	They didn't photoshop it out very well.
	And I find in the recent interview, this picture of Mark uh with a guitar in his hand, he literally has the same mop top hair hair on his head as the picture of uh Adam Lanza when he's like a teenager.
	Yeah.
	This is the most simple Adam, and you say he's modeled on this guy.
	What's his name again?
	Marcus Grimmie.
	Grimmy is short is their nickname for the Grim Reaper.
	That's why they chose that name.
	Oh, and look, go back, go back.
	Uh, if you look at uh Mark Grimmy's this has been erased, his YouTube about page, it says just so joined December 14th, 2006.
	That's six years to the day before the shooting.
	There's no way that's a coincidence.
	And it says, Don't come here, dot not not ever.
	I found that myself.
	That's I mean, hey, it could be a coincidence, but in my mind, there's no way.
	Uh and then you look at these goons, he's speaking at her his sister's memorial, and these guys behind him are giving him this look like you better say what you're supposed to say.
	Uh, that's Christina there.
	That's uh that tall one.
	Adam Lanza is six feet tall and a hundred and twelve pounds.
	Mark Grimmie's looks like he's about six feet tall.
	Um you have the Christina Grimmy Foundation, Sandy Hook hoax.
	Uh, that's the uh video of the you have a couple videos of Mark being interviewed about the Christina Grimmie shooting.
	And in the first one, he says, Well, I'm glad the guy killed himself so I don't have to go through all the court dates.
	And then she's asking him, how do you process your sister being moved murdered?
	And he says something along of the lines of, well, when I do when I do uh process it, I'll let you know.
	But the shooting was it was definitely real, it wasn't fake.
	Why would he say that?
	So that the girl, the video of the girl on near the bar.
	Chris, who said the the shooting was real?
	It was definitely not Mark Grimmy at the end of the interview.
	He says it was definitely real.
	Like, why would you even put that out there that it that people were suggesting it was fake or that it wouldn't be real?
	Yeah, so consciousness of guilt.
	Joe, go ahead, give us your thoughts.
	Yeah, well, and by coincidence, at the same time that Sandy Hook was going on, Eric Holder was also running Operation Fast and Furious, where they shipped 2200 firearms from the United States into Mexico, which is an act of war.
	They never notified Mexico what was going on, and they tried to frame one of the uh FFL guys, which his name was Mike Didi.
	He wrote a book called Guns across the border.
	Uh turns out this wasn't the first time that ATF had been involved in gun running.
	They also did uh operation uh uh wide receiver, operation too hot to handle, and operation castaway, where they've been shipping arms worldwide to kind of do the same thing, promote revolutions in foreign countries and to destabilize the second amendment here in the United States.
	Uh Chris, you want to have some more saying I remember that vaguely.
	I gotta just say a lot of this stuff.
	If you just use logic and reason and common sense, think about the fact that Mark this Adam Lanza, six feet tall, 110 pounds, probably he's carrying around 30, 40 pounds worth of gear and ambo.
	He shot and killed 27 people, including himself.
	Nobody lived that got hit by a bullet, nobody got grazed, none of the kids had to be airlifted by helicopter to a hospital, nobody got hit in the butt or the foot or the hand.
	It was all within five, eight minutes, fatal injuries.
	There's there's no one that's why there's nobody on the tarps.
	That's why um because the kids kids don't interview good, kids are not good at lying.
	They even the kids that they did interview were saying it was a drill.
	So they don't want to have kid victims grow, you know, that got shot being having to lie because they're not gonna be able to pull it off.
	Listen, I just want to throw in before the break.
	Um maybe the best presentation I gave have ever given on Sandy Hook.
	What we know now we didn't know then was on February 10th, 2024 at the College of Complexes uh outside of Chicago.
	You can find it on my BitCU channel.
	Well, you'll even learn how it's contacted by these Sandy Hook people.
	How I may mention it by and large later.
	There's several tells here, including look at the central roll of cars.
	Everyone is parked facing the school.
	Well, if you come in following the driving instructions, you're curl rounding, you'd park facing away.
	But it appears that since they were bringing in a long string of automobiles, it was simpler to bring them in a single line and put him in two by two by two while facing the building.
	Who would even know?
	After all, they were only props.
	This continues, the child gets frustrated and annoys and says, Morales was a drill.
	What?
	Dr. Oz does nothing with his bomb this kid dropped.
	Can't anyone see the ridiculousness?
	So here we have Eva Morales, Texas teacher victim on the left, and Sandy Hook teacher victim on the right.
	Nothing to see here.
	Victoria has earned degrees and education.
	Here's that one uh graduation ceremony, and additional in the New York School of Career and Applied Studies.
	You notice the date, September 15th, 2017.
	Notice that's five years after the event at Sandy Hook in 2012.
	So she's even using the name Victoria Soto.
	That's a terrific curve.
	This is uh Emily Parker and Victoria both have been glad to be outed because they want to get Sandy Hook off their back and resume their normal life.
	Victoria Soto, played by Victoria Relio, was supposed to be a teacher who gave her life for her students.
	She also, however, participated in the Uvalde event, which was modeled after Sandy Hook.
	Do you recall Sandy Hook?
	Adam Lonza is supposed to have shot his mother, and then gone to the school and shot 20 kids and six adults.
	Well, in Uvalde, the shooter shot his grandmother, and then went to the school and shot 19 second, third, and fourth graders.
	The uh break.
	Meanwhile, as Jay Rowlands wrote, you mentioned Victoria Soto, that's her on the right, resurrected his Eva Morales in time to be shot at Uvalde Gym.
	Did you know our favorite Muslim Dr. Oz had a kid on his TV show who supposedly survived Sandy Hook?
	The Turkish doctor asked this kid a few leading softball questions like, are you proud of your teacher?
	The kid shrugs his shoulders and says, Yes.
	After this continues, the child gets frustrated and annoys and says it was a drill.
	What?
	Dr. Oz does nothing with this bomb this kid dropped.
	Can't anyone see the ridiculousness?
	So here we have Eva Morales, Texas teacher, victim on the left, and Sandy Hook teacher, victim on the right.
	Nothing.
	Let me just say, I really like them.
	They are wonderful people.
	They send me a lot of good stuff.
	Everyone in the community loves my book.
	Nobody died at Sandy Hook.
	They've told me because it's honest.
	And uh they were upset with the way I was being abused in the courts.
	They reached out to me.
	They sent me all kinds of stuff.
	They sent me a photograph of Noah Posner, supposed to be the youngest uh first grader who died celebrating his eighth birthday, even though he died when he was six.
	They sent me the Connecticut FEMA schedule where you can see the Sandy Gavette right there on their schedule.
	Yeah, they showed how to get from Bridgeport to the school on Dickens and Drive.
	Joe, your thoughts.
	Well, something that came across my radar this morning.
	I haven't had a chance to check it.
	But the Utah Valley University, there was a Hades spy plane.
	Uh, tale number November 1098, Lima, which circled the uh event uh several times before the event started and several times after the uh shooting.
	So uh I haven't had a chance to check into that, but uh all the all the tales are that that we're being played again in um Kirk the same way we've been played repeatedly on all these things.
	Indeed we are.
	We'll be back with Joe Olson and Chris Zadnik right after this break.
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	I just wanted to add that if anyone wanted to have a copy of the book, they brought a voting lawsuit against me to take control of it because when Amazon banned it after gone on sale and sold nearly 500 copies in less than a month.
	I really said for free to PDF downloaded millions of times.
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	But I created a new edition, a redacted edition.
	And if you go on to my blog at James H.Fetcher.org, check out Fake News of Truth versus Alex Jones.
	If you scroll to the bottom, and you're the three I prove are alive.
	You know, Emily Parker, Noah Bosner, and Victoria Soto.
	Prove I've given many times.
	Here's uh FEMA, the, you know, where you see it right on the Connecticut FEMA schedule.
	I mean, how bad is this?
	Victoria being cast twice.
	I was actually on the phone with their mutual friend Steve when Margaret was asking Victoria how much she was paid for Uvalte, and she told Margaret 210,000 to play the role, the whole thing totally prodigal.
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	Take advantage of that opportunity.
	Meanwhile, you got stuff on the Boston bombing crest.
	Tell us, tell us about your interest in Boston.
	Yeah, well, growing up in Connecticut, I was right between those two states.
	Um, I was doing my uh I was gonna do videos uh about each Sandy Hook kid and kind of show just the facial features.
	You when you match you when you look at them, it's hard to because they're different ages, it's hard to tell it's the same person, but when you look at the nose, the mouth, the lips, and then the Boston bombing happens, and that was even to me.
	That was even easier.
	They they bought this one even it was even easier to tell it was fake.
	Um you have people running around uh in completely shredded clothes, but they don't seem to be very injured underneath.
	Um the guy in the wheelchair.
	Uh was just the fact that he's conscious, sitting upright.
	Put they put the woman that was lying on top of him in a stretcher, and they put the guy with his legs gone in a wheelchair.
	Supposedly they wheeled him past the camera twice.
	The whole thing with the with the guy with the cowboy hat.
	Here's what happened.
	Yeah, while he's lying there, a guy in a hoodie is attaching this fake bone extension to make it look more horrific.
	You put him in a wheelchair.
	Last thing you'd do if it were a real injury because gravity would help to bleed out.
	And when they're moving, the extension comes loose.
	They have to stop reattached.
	That's why they had to do it twice, Chris.
	It's that it's that bad.
	Well, I heard that they also said people thought that he that Carlos is holding his artery to keep him from bleeding, but it's just the rags from his clothes kept getting caught in the wheels of the wheelchair.
	Like how stupid.
	Oh, Hollywood producer told me he'd cast Carlos in one of his own films.
	He also told me how they'd use a studio quality smoke machine.
	Yeah, so told me it's an open secret in Hollywood that was produced by Steven Spielberg.
	We even got photos of him there.
	Yeah.
	Um you have this guy, he has a his shirt says Team Karen, the guy in the white t-shirt there.
	I'm like, could it be any more fitting the name of the team?
	Okay, and then here somebody pointed out to me.
	You can see the tube coming out of the back of his pants and the blood pattern that it sprayed.
	Yeah, I just enlarged it.
	Um there's a woman on the stretch.
	Okay, this is the guy that they say uh he was he already had lost his legs.
	He's an Afghanistan war veteran.
	If you look at his hairline, if you look, he's a tall, lanky, skinny guy with the shoulders.
	It's it's hard to tell because the hair is different.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Uh, and then the whole Carlos with the flag.
	Uh, yeah, Jeff Bowman, he's at a Boston Bruins game 10 days after his legs are blown off.
	You have Adrian smiling everywhere.
	There are people smiling, and there are also people running in terror.
	Um, you have the uh the Illuminati card game cards, which were made before these events, which seemed to look like the events.
	Yeah, and then the fam the family guy thing, the predictive programming.
	Look at this guy.
	The five o'clock shadow, look at his nose, look at his his hairline.
	The cartoon is the is the Sarniaff brother.
	Um, they literally had uh two bombs.
	Peter Peter Griffin from Family Guy dials a cell phone twice, and you have two bomb two explosions going off in the background that that mirror the two explosions of the Boston bombing.
	This goon started driving.
	I think this might be the same guy that I found in the crowd.
	He's he likes white hats, apparently.
	Uh, but he started somebody started driving around my house in this Kona-shaped ice truck every day in the afternoon.
	Never sold a thing.
	Never there's an elementary school a hundred yards up the street, never stopped there.
	He was playing this weird music, and uh when I got attacked, he was trying to intimidate you.
	I think they yeah, I I think they there was something it's weird.
	They were they were the the ice cream truck music was was messing with me, and then the the day I got I got attacked.
	My phone rang, it was vibrant, I was sleeping, my phone started ringing.
	I turned the vibrate function on my phone because I was all I was just driving all over Phoenix trying to get help.
	I was worried I was gonna oversleep for work.
	The phone starts ringing, it's vibrating in my head.
	So I I'm completely disoriented.
	I wake up, I grab my cell phone off of the uh nightstand, it's my best friend's phone number.
	So I answer the phone to make the thing stop, and when I answer the phone, this awful voice is repeating the word L. L. It scared you the you know what out of me.
	What does it mean?
	Yeah, what did it mean?
	And L L is is God.
	L is uh a bull god worship by Freemasons, and L is the theology.
	So they and I was very telling me you've made yourself a new sense locally by talking about the Boston bombing in Sandy Hook.
	Have you got on shows and have you done a lot of stuff about it?
	No, I've I've been mostly trying to.
	I've worked in a I'm uh I'm a waiter.
	I've worked in like eight restaurants over the last 10-15 years.
	I talked to everybody.
	I've told I have no fear, I'm so confident I'm correct.
	I talk to my bosses, but uh I'm getting very, very frustrated with the public.
	Well, you're you're a smart guy, and you're away if you really think I'm an idiot and crazy, and it's I show them overwhelming evidence.
	They don't show it's it's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled.
	I'm the only one doing any convincing.
	Nobody is showing me anything to you know what I mean.
	They just don't want to, they just they don't know how to critically think, they only know how to believe.
	This is like with my parents, they're gonna believe that the guy on the news with the nice suit making a hundred thousand dollars a year as opposed to their kid who's just a waiter, you know, maybe smoke some pot or whatever.
	They you know what I mean.
	It's they don't know how to decide, they don't know how to research, they just know how to believe, and that's why they they go with the trustworthy media.
	So you already knew my all the stuff I've done on Boston's Andy Hook and all that good.
	I've consumed a lot.
	You've actually shown me some of the things I brought up today, were stuff I know.
	I I the thing with the cars be facing the same way, and there was another thing uh you brought up.
	I I'm pretty sure I got that stuff from reading your stuff and watching your videos.
	I think Margaret and Victoria are just wonderful people.
	They have a special beautiful women.
	Yeah, they are, and see the reason they can speak out is they were cast by their mothers as in roles and never signed non-disclosure agreements.
	It's it's charity fraud, it's child abuse, it's treason, and it's it's it's fake terrorism.
	Absolutely faux terrorism, exactly.
	Joe, your thoughts.
	Well, I didn't want to wear every 10-foil hat conspiracy that there was, but Fetzer and I've done like 400 interviews since 2016.
	It's hard to believe, ain't it?
	Yeah, and and every one of them has been completely true.
	Uh, one of the points that we uh emphasized during the uh Harvest Fest in Las Vegas, uh, the supposed largest mass shooting was that when you shoot a high-powered rifle and it's supersonic, you hear the bullet whiz by before you hear the sound of the of the gun.
	So that's item number one.
	Item number two, the bullet's going to either hit a hard object like the ground and bounce off with a ricochet, or it's going to hit a human being, and it's going to sound like a watermelon being hit with a hammer.
	And there was none of those sounds available in any of the cell phones that were out in the outlying areas, which indicates that what we were seeing was a light show with a sound projection at the point of um supposed firing, and that everything else was like completely fake.
	So that was one of the things, and that's the same thing that you have here at um uh Utah Valley.
	You don't hear any uh uh sonic boom from the bullet going by, number one, and number two, there's hundreds of kids that were taking videos.
	The only videos we've seen are the ones that they've selectively uh provided for us, and the FBI has not um sent out a public request for students to share their videos because if you had a dozen different camera angles, we'd have a lot better ability to figure this out.
	But the FBI doesn't want to figure it out.
	And just to get back to one other additional factor that's involved in all this bullshit reality, uh Time magazine was founded uh by Henry Luce and Britton Hayden, who were in 1923, who were both skull and bones members at Yale.
	They went on to form Live Magazine.
	Hayden died in 1929.
	Uh Henry Luce took over the operation, and he bought the Zapruder film from the uh Zebruder family for 150,000.
	Uh, released a couple of selected stills from it and didn't return the film until 1975.
	So we didn't even know what was happening in in sequence until uh it was released by Geraldo in 1977, put in the you gotta understand that that film that was released is massively edited.
	Well, that's why they had plenty of years to do it.
	So everything had to be.
	Oh, they did it over, they did it over the weekend.
	They uh they did it, they made sub the film already on Sunday.
	Saturday, they brought the original to the National Photographic Interpretation Sunday that had been developed in Dallas.
	It was an eight millimeter already split film.
	Sunday, they brought a 16 millimeter unsplit film developed in Rochester.
	And they made the substitution from the CIAA lab, adjacent at Kodak headquarters there.
	So I mean, you know.
	They were they were doing the fakery right away, including removing the limo stop.
	In fact, we got born in 87 frames.
	The limo stops are like another 400 frames, turning the corner, another.
	They took out more footage than remains in the extant version of the film.
	It's that bad.
	And they altered what they left.
	They altered it.
	They blacked out the blow out of the back of the head and a whole bunch of other stuff.
	Chris, I like what you've been doing.
	You got I got one more here, I think, of your stuff.
	Uh oh, yeah, the family guy.
	This is about a family guy predicting what happened.
	Supposedly uh Seth McFarland was supposed to get on one of the 9-11 planes, and he ended up getting like a little movie career after this as well.
	But yeah, this aired before the event.
	It's Peter running over a bunch of people to win the Boston Marathon.
	The episode is called Turban Cowboy.
	The cowboy is Carlos Arradando, and the turban is the Muslim part of it.
	I don't know if you know about Carlos.
	His uh his story is his he's an illegal immigrant, I believe, from Costa Rica, had a son.
	His son died in uh Iraq, became a Marine, died in Iraq when the Marines they come to your house in uh in a SUV with a flag for you.
	He lost his mind and set their van on fire.
	He set the van on fire.
	So that's how they got him in in the back pocket, I think.
	Um he's wearing a FEMA tag right there, ID tag right there, that guy in the Hawaiian.
	That's what they had Sandy.
	Everyone was wearing the IDs on land here, which is standard for these drills.
	This guy, he's only on he's on film for like a fraction of a second, but I was I I was looking frame by frame by frame through the video and managed to find okay.
	This is uh yeah.
	The guy on the left with a white hat, he's got a phone up to his ear.
	Now he's now he's dialing.
	There you go.
	and now you're going to hear the second bomb Listen to the screens.
	I'm Bob Costus here with Boston Marathon winner Peter Griffin.
	Peter, how did you do it?
	Maybe I dialed wrong.
	I'm bothered.
	I'm bothered.
	Well, Chris, I'm really tickled you're here.
	Thank you.
	Uh I don't have a lot of occasions these days to talk about Sandy Hook.
	Well, I'm not sure.
	But it so fits in with Charlie Cook, a Sandy Hook boss and bombing totally fake.
	Yeah.
	And um, you know, my books on both were banned by Amazon as well as on Orlando and Dallas, Charlottesville, Parkland, and even the Moon Landing.
	Unbelievable how Amazon functions on behalf of the government, which isn't allowed to do this.
	But it all goes back to Obama nullifying the Smith Mutt Act of 1948, which precluded the use of the same techniques of disinformation, paid riots, stage shootings, and all that kind of stuff by the Smith Modernization Act of 2012, just in time to bring a Sandy Hook, Chris.
	Obama guy unleashed all this happy horse shit on us.
	Yeah, because they killed real people on 9-11.
	The victims' families were getting too close to the truth.
	So they passed these laws.
	Oh, Obama tried to stop the victims' families from suing Saudi Arabia, uh, but they passed these laws, so now there's no victims, so we can have fake shootings when no one's gonna research it, and no one's gonna find out why mommy died or why their daughter died.
	Right.
	It's easier to control the whole thing if you just Yeah, and it's it's all gun control.
	I mean, if look at what's happening in the UK right now, you can't say I love bacon, their women are getting assaulted repeatedly, they're treating the criminals, the migrants better than the citizens.
	What if what wait till that happens here?
	All these liberals that are trying to get rid of our guns are just they're gonna they're making themselves easy targets for all kinds of horrible things to happen to them.
	Yeah, I I couldn't agree more.
	Joe, go ahead, Joe.
	Uh yeah.
	Well, it turns out that uh this public assassination, or or whatever it whether it's staged or not, is the um JFK moment for the Gen Z group.
	And so this is going to be a huge awakening for them.
	And the thing is, it's so nasty and so um incestuous that once they realize how corrupt our government is, they're gonna be prepared to accept everything that the conspiracy theorists have been saying about absolutely everything.
	So that's the generation form between 1995 and 2009.
	So that's the core group that Kirk was appealing to.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Chris, go ahead and comment on all of the above while we got you here.
	I got a couple, just a couple notes.
	Uh, I was reading the William William Cooper talks about something called Orion, where they were taking like mental patients to and basically programming programming them to school to do school shootings in the late in the late 80s and early 90s.
	Um, and then just the the sheeple, man.
	I as a as someone that deals with the public on a daily basis.
	Uh I know if you've heard of the red pill and the blue pill from the matrix, they they have something called the black pill and the white pill.
	The black pill is giving completely giving up hope.
	And I went, I went through that, and then I did the white pill thing where I took all my paying for everything in cash, uh, not using my credit cards, trying to do the opposite of everything that they want.
	But since the last two weeks, I've been going crazy with the research again and talking to all my coworkers, and it's just it's almost I think these people are so asleep, they don't they will they will never figure this stuff out.
	And it's it's like 95, it's not like 80, 70, I think it's like 90, 95.
	And COVID woke up a lot of people go.
	If you Google, if you look up vaccine and uh um COVID videos on YouTube, all of the comments are people that are vaccine injured.
	That woke up a lot of people, but I still think it's a huge percentage of the people that just uh they're just like hypnotized.
	They don't want they it's like that they can't accept the possibility.
	It's easier to accept that one kid goes into a school and shoots up a bunch of people than that the entire system is completely corrupt.
	The banks, the government, the media, police, intelligence agencies, the whole shabu, you know.
	I love the fact that you're interacting with the public and getting feedback and resistance and all that.
	It's very instrumental.
	Yeah, you know, I I gotta tell you, I want to tell you this too, okay.
	I had three Facebook channels, three YouTube channels.
	They took them away from me.
	So what do I do?
	I'm cut and I'm copying and pasting comments all over the comment section, hundreds of comments.
	There's now that then they start taking away my comments.
	About a couple months ago, I sent a female co-worker that's kind of like me, that Boston bombing video you just showed, and I'm trying to write YouTube, and the and the letters are scrambling, it won't let me write it.
	So I just fired the video to her.
	They deleted the video, they deleted my text message.
	Yeah, bro.
	I know it's unbelievable.
	We this technology is this is my thing where I'm I'm so far ahead of everybody.
	I'm so over the technology.
	I'm just like the guy at the end of Soilant Green.
	All I want to do is nature and deers and good music.
	I'm done with the I got rid of my internet for like five or six months.
	You have to go person to person.
	This is what we need to get back to.
	All this technology is separating us, it's deceiving all these people.
	It's a tragedy.
	Yeah, you're right, Joe.
	Joe, your thoughts.
	And if you want to if you want to indulge in JFK, go right ahead, my friend.
	We did have all of her off there.
	I'll go ahead.
	No, let's bring up the red pill subject.
	In 1989, I made a proposal to the city of Houston for a 27 and a half mile high-speed heavy rail connecting intercontinental downtown Seven University Camps and Medical Center and Hobby Airports with a high-speed heavy rail.
	Uh, this would uh this would have absolutely transformed America uh Houston, and I couldn't do that project for one billion dollars, but I was competing against the Disney Corporation that was gonna give us a 14-mile monorail.
	And I wondered why they hadn't done it.
	I was on KPRC News, called me a visionary, finished by saying, I love it, I love it.
	This is in December of 1989.
	I went to Metro and presented my routing maps, which was 16-foot-long uh routing maps, overlaid tax maps from the city of Houston with state plane coordinates and all the rail stops and all the future extensions, laid it out in front of the head of Metro, and he got fired by the city.
	His name was Bob Lanier.
	He got fired by Mayor Kathy Whitmar.
	I went to his office a couple of months later and I said, Why are they trying to do this?
	It's a no-bid, illegal um design bill project in violation of state competitive bidding law, Vernon's Code 664.
	And Lanier, who was a um attorney said, Yeah, I know.
	He said, but one of the local contractors said they don't have to bid against anybody, they can hide 200 million dollars of excess profit in that billion dollar rail project.
	And by coincidence, he happened to be he happened to be involved with university savings.
	They syndicated it with a bunch of their buddies, and then they did the SL crisis, which is a 600 billion dollar ripoff of the taxpayers.
	This is a book called The Mafia, the CIA and George Bush by Pete Bruton.
	He was a Houston Post reporter.
	I met him selling his book at a card table in front of the divorce court, and I asked him why he was doing that.
	He said, Well, he had a contract with Simon and Susser that they would publish the book in summer of 1992, so everybody would know what an absolute crook the Bush family was, because every one of the kids was involved in it.
	And uh I had worked on 50 of those projects as a junior art uh engineer, and on the projects I knew were not financially feasible, and they said, Yeah, we're using creative bankruptcy.
	I said, What do you mean?
	It's it's OPM, what's that?
	It's other people's money.
	I said, Yeah, but it's the taxpayers are gonna end up paying for this.
	And he said, doesn't matter.
	And they ended up bankrupt.
	And I worked on 50 of those projects, knew a dozen of the people, looked at the bibliography of Pete's book, every one of them was in there.
	I said, You've done your homework.
	I'm on a food budget of $30 a month, but I'll buy your $25 book.
	Absolutely incredible.
	Pete Bruden had did a two-hour interview on Austin PBS in uh in uh September 1992.
	Absolutely stunning criminal uh actions on the part of the entire Bush clan.
	And they're also skull and bones.
	So you want to know what's going on?
	Uh yeah, we had that same secret society that JFK warned us about.
	He was out there selling the book himself because Simon and Schuster wouldn't distribute it.
	Yes, he had had a default contract and they paid him a million dollars, and he said he printed 10,000 vanity copies because he figured that was more than they would be able to buy and keep off of the market, like they typically do, they buy all the books and then shred them.
	So he couldn't get yeah, Amazon and and uh borders and and Barnes and Nobles, nobody would stock his books.
	So he was selling at a card table.
	Yeah, so Chris and I've been awake since 1989, kids.
	Got it, got it, Joe.
	Chris, it's just a real pleasure having you here, my friend.
	You're doing good stuff.
	I'm glad we made contact.
	You're an excellent guest.
	Anytime, anytime you need a guest, I'm here for you.
	That's very nice, Chris.
	Yeah, good, good, good.
	Uh much appreciated Joe, of course, as always.
	We've Joe and I have only done over show together.
	Is that crazy?
	How does it have it at a time fly, my friend, when you're having fun?
	Love it.
	Well, look, everyone, public out there.
	This uh, let me take it back to Candace because she is she's so puzzled, she hasn't figured it out yet.
	She hasn't quite figured it out yet.
	She still thinks this shooting was basically real, and what the hell happened?
	What happened to the bullet?
	There's nothing gory about this footage from the back.
	The thing that really stood out to me, and I just kept asking him to replay it over and over and over again, is that there's no blood.
	There's no blood from the back.
	There's there is no blood.
	So I think a lot of people were wondering whether or not that bullet pierced and went out to the back.
	I think I vaguely even remember, and Skyler, you can maybe live look this up.
	Like, I thought the feds were saying they were looking for a bullet at some Point, which is now very alarming to me.
	I don't understand that.
	How could they have been looking for a bullet?
	Because if I'm not seeing, and there isn't, I'm telling you, what happens in the front is not what happens in the back at all.
	Um if I'm not seeing any blood, uh what what are we to take from that?
	Good question.
	Good question, Candace asks.
	What are we to take from that?
	That the whole thing was fake.
	It's not that tough a call.
	Why don't you take a look at the evidence?
	Special thanks to Joe and Chris for being here, all of you.
	Spend as much time as you can with your family, your friends, uh people you love and care about.
	We do not know how much time we have left.
	Use it wisely.

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