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	This is a real deal special where I've been having weekly conversation with Catherine Horton and Bill Binny.
	Bill's adjourned today because Catherine and I are focusing on attacks on her for having conversation with me about one miscreant by the name of Victor Hugo Walker the second.
	Catherine, I I feel badly that he's now attacking you, but uh you are so credible.
	I think it's gonna reflect very badly upon him.
	I have to say I'm quite pleased.
	Um, I have been off YouTube while I was uh taking care of the attacks against Bill and Misa.
	I have not been posting on YouTube weekly like I used to ever since I came to the US, and I have to get back into the game, and this guy's giving me free publicity.
	So I'm very pleased that now my name is all over Rumble.
	I wanted to launch a rumble account, so I am very happy also.
	Sometimes it's not a bad thing, you know, to have a reputation that precedes you as a bad girl.
	It's it's kind of cool.
	So I enjoy it.
	Well, it love it.
	Well, I'm very intrigued by your analyses.
	I'm certain you're right about composing his his thumbnail cover images using AI.
	I think that makes perfect sense.
	He claims, of course, to be a maverick artist, but I just don't see him devoting the time and effort.
	He's incredibly lazy.
	He's virtually an inert object.
	He wants to do what he he can all mentally lampooning.
	He has a technique of taking insignificant trivialities and escalating them into giant monster problems.
	In other words, he's the master of the straw man argument that that in my opinion defines him.
	He's all at harm and I'm straw man.
	I don't think I've seen him make a sound argument yet of any substance whatsoever on any subject.
	He's just a kind of uh wild flamethrower, a master of destruction of reputations, for which he himself has his own reputation as the angel of death, Catherine.
	That's what he's called in the biz.
	He is the angel of death, really.
	A guy who is like, you know, looks like Santa Claus and is a bit fat and looks harmless.
	Oh my.
	That's a perfect cover for being the angel of death.
	That's hilarious.
	Well, actually, in the email, I was just trying to see if I can download the image to share it.
	Because one of the videos he put out was um, I was massively, I think it's this one.
	I was massively amused because he actually took a screenshot where I'm going, oh no, what bullshit.
	And he took that still image and uh he made oh yes, I've got the image here.
	Could could you possibly I've made you host, I've made you host.
	I gotta share this because this is hilarious.
	I mean, I I am I am tempted to make this uh thumbnail on my own channel, but I don't want to violate his copyrights.
	But then again, these are screenshots.
	So it's it's like his one of his videos shows me, I don't know what this is meant to be.
	Me looking like I'm having an orgasm.
	I know how you know you have the speech trouble with somebody.
	Oh my god, this is like click big gold.
	This is clickbait gold.
	Um I was thinking if I put that video with a thumbnail like that up on my it's like it's like having a lonely fans account, right?
	This is gonna be like this video is gonna get the most clicks, even if I talk about something boring, like directed energy weapons again, you know.
	But this is this is hilarious.
	So, anyway, this is one of his standard um, you know, uh thumbnails, but they're all the color scheme, the overlets color scheme is always the same.
	It's it's always a collage of different images.
	Sometimes it's divided into three parts.
	It's very samey, so I'm pretty sure computer algorithm is uh generating these.
	Um, but it's it's hilarious.
	Also, he I think his accusation against me was that I lied, and I think the lie in his eye, although it was a genuine mistake, was that I claimed that we were on a panel together on in an interview together, and I could have Sworn that was the case, but then I went back and I realized, no, you sent me one of his videos, which I then analyzed, and that's when I said, Oh, beware of this guy, because I'm pretty sure he's trouble.
	Well, Catherine, you're both on the Volkswagen Conspiracy 2024.
	You both spoke there.
	Yeah, and I think I saw his presentation, or he asked me a question about mine.
	But I had some sort of I could have sworn I had some sort of direct interaction with him when the back of my mind I already thought, uh oh, agent warning light, dude, dude, dude, you know.
	I think he's just wrong.
	You know, I just got careless.
	Because he he he tries to accuse everyone, but will never admit anything on his own part.
	I think he's well paid.
	I actually last time I think I sent you.
	Um, didn't I send you the email that I um that I sent you in December warning you of this?
	Um yeah, here's you may well have.
	I remember your issuing the warning.
	And I that was on the verge of our falling out.
	So you were right on top of it.
	Yes.
	So if I may, um, I'm just gonna go your host, you're host.
	I I am host.
	Now, one thing is um I'm gonna I'm gonna screenshot this.
	Um your email with the uh the ending in dot edu is public.
	So if the screenshot shows your um do you mind if it shows your email?
	Or is it is it's a good one.
	No, no, no.
	Okay, so let me just do a screenshot.
	So it's not a problem.
	I I try to protect the privacy of anybody who emails me.
	And um, I I'm just gonna take this because I said to you um that I found the email.
	I I basically said I sent you.
	Um hang on, this is email.
	Okay, so now I'm sharing that my screen properly here.
	So with the actual so that people can see what I sent, because I sent you an email and I said, Jim, I just found the email where I warned you about Victor Hugo.
	See below.
	It was sent on December 26th, right?
	And I want to show people what I told you about this guy on December 26th.
	And you know, I I've just got a gloat because I was right again.
	It was a Christmas present.
	It was a Christmas, exactly.
	It's in the UK, it's called Boxing Day.
	It's called Boxing Day, and um, let me share it in.
	I think if I share it in photos.
	Um oops.
	Oh, sorry, that's not what I meant to meant to share.
	Sorry, sorry, let me oh gosh, let me get this right because I'm um also by the way, I I strongly advise everybody to never ever update to Windows 11 because it's an absolute disaster.
	It has like a super user function that you can't remove that gives people direct access on your computer.
	And ever since I had that, I've just been uh basically messed around with by the inside.
	Can you revert to Windows 10?
	No, you can't, because that's another thing.
	Once a computer it and and uh my IT guy told me that's that has already been the case with Apple.
	If you if a computer ever had an Apple operating system, it can never ever have any other operating system.
	And now Windows doing the same if it ever had Windows 11, you can never ever revert back to Windows 10.
	We could literally not remove Windows 11 from my laptop, which actually I think people should litigate about that.
	I mean, first of all, it's about surveillance.
	AI is gonna access everything you do on that laptop.
	It you know, you're basically in surveillance slavery, but also it means that the uh purchase contract was fraudulent.
	I just bought a refurbished contra uh laptop from Walmart because the Intelligencies are trashing my laptops every two months anyway.
	Um, but then if you buy something, it's meant to be your property.
	If somebody else controls what you do with your property, it's really a lease.
	Somebody else owns it and you're renting it.
	So, you know, that's a serious contract.
	It's a fraudulent contract because the terms are not made explicit.
	Exactly.
	It was not meant to be a list of it.
	Presumption of privacy, they're violating without your consent.
	Exactly.
	So it's a you know, just as a footnote for anybody who's listening, anybody who's got Windows 11, I think they're in for a really juicy, nice class action lawsuit if they get the contract law filing uh right.
	But anyway, so um now let me show you the stuff that I I said back in the day about this Victor guy.
	So um, this was sent by me.
	My email is public anyway, on December 26th.
	Okay, and I said, um, I said, Wow, I just listened to a few minutes before the 15-minute mark, and this Victor Hugo guy is like a bullshit machine gun.
	Every sentence will take 10 minutes of explaining to the bunk.
	Where do you know this guy from?
	Because based on those few minutes of talk from this guy, I have him safely in the intel plant slash bullshit artist category.
	Geez, we can do it, but this will be a lot of work if you want to go through it point by point, right?
	And now I remember that you sent me this uh show where Victor Hugo and Joachim were talking about CERN and demons and multi-dimensions and so on and so on.
	And I just listened to a couple of minutes of this guy talking, and I was like, yep, he works for the Intel agencies, because nobody, literally nobody talks this much bullshit in such a dense, condensed way as this guy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And also the other thing is I I you sent me that brief quick uh clip where you had an interview with somebody else, and you were wondering is this guy FBI or is is is he Mossad?
	Now I understand why you would say Mossad, because you know, Mossad would have so many reasons to you know to mess with you.
	But I think um what people need to understand is that all these agencies, FBI, MI6, Mossad, they all work for the same company.
	It's like having, I don't know, the bank uh Barclays or HSBC, and you're looking at the London branch versus the Paris branch.
	It's still the same thing.
	They they also, I have um the testimony of uh uh a British MI6 agent who said that they freely work and do projects for any of these agencies, so they freely rotate between MI6 and Mossad and CIA and whatever.
	Okay, it's one entity.
	So, in a sense, the question is academic.
	But on the other hand, also, even if if it were Mossad who wants to uh fuck with you, they would hire the FBI because you are here in the US and they just they just have people here, you know.
	The other thing is why I think that uh this Victor Hugo guy is FBI, is because back in the day, Mossad used to be like PhDs in biochemistry.
	I mean, maybe maybe these days, as they're on their way to world domination, they are scraping the bottom of the barrel and they get these you know bumpkins like him.
	But I still think this is staple FBI because this guy's just so freaking predestrian, he's not really a brainiac, is he?
	I don't think I I don't think Mossad would would have it in them to even hire this jackass, you know.
	I think they still have hiring standards.
	That that's just my well, my Zandy friends told me that Sandy Brahmers had hired him to attack me because they're worried that my Sandy Hug suit may be reversed.
	And it's all very very strange because he began with his first attacks on me was for throwing my Sandy Haze, which I took all the way to the US Supreme Court, where right now I have four appeals pending.
	I've thrown a case, Catherine, when I'm still at court.
	I mean it's just incredible.
	In the highest court, in fact, because it's not just some little district court, this is the Supreme Court of the United States.
	I also think, yes, and and you know, uh, it wouldn't it would stand to reason that the FBI would double down on their attacks on you.
	They have they have to do, you know, in a sense, they're contractually obligated to what to do whatever it takes to somehow stop you because if your Sandy Hook uh case gets reversed and people wake up to Sandy Cook having been a big fat false flag.
	I saw the evidence, I came to the same conclusion that you came to based on the evidence, the multiple takes that they took and photographs and how they were parked and a million other reasons.
	So we went through all these reasons, and I came to the conclusion, yes, it's as fake as a three-dollar bill.
	Now, if people wake up to it and actually go through the evidence themselves, they will realize holy shit, if Sandy Hook was all fake.
	What about the Minneapolis shooting recently?
	Yeah, that one was fake too.
	And right now they are really pushing Minneapolis.
	They got not just Trump to lower the flag to half my half mask, JD Vance is going out there to lay flowers, you know.
	They got uh uh First Lady Milania to comment on it.
	So they got all the major payers to buy in into this Minneapolis false flag, and and after a certain point, they can't even admit that it's all fake because they would have to admit all of them got duped with bullshit.
	So, you know, through the investment fallacy, the psychological um uh what's it called, cognitive bias of the in investment fallacy, the more you invest in a cause, the less likely you are to admit it was all nonsense.
	So it is hugely important right now that you your Sandy Hook case gets reversed and and the world returns to sanity.
	But for the FBI, what you know, you can't even imagine how much is at stake for them.
	They have an entire false flag operations department, not just one, all their jobs are on the line, you know, not just Victor Hugo Vacas.
	That's a great point.
	Assuming you're nailing it as I know you to do.
	I mean, they they do have a lot at the stake, and Dan Bon Gino, you know, is made that the uh of the FBI seems to be involved in all this.
	So I don't know that I've sent you my lawsuits now because you know I'm suing Rumble and BitChute for violating their terms of agreement and actually being complicit in promoting the defamation, the harassment, elder abuse, and all that that Victor's committing, or they even altered their algorithm so that if you did a search for Jim Fetzer, say Sandy Hook, you get all this Victor Hugo.
	You don't get Jim Fetzer, you get Victor Hugo, like 90 or 100 or whatever Victor Hugo on Sandy Hook, not Jim Betzer.
	Well, that can't happen on its own.
	Victor couldn't do that.
	So it ties them in in a way that I think they can't overcome.
	You know, they got provisions that make them virtually immune from liability, but there are exceptions, and if they participate in the offenses, as I have alleged, they lose the liability.
	So, you know, I believe I have an access route here that others aren't able to exploit.
	And the fact that he's done it so massively, I don't know.
	I don't have the last number, but it's over 750, 750 attack videos on me.
	Give me a break.
	So here's the thing.
	Okay, here's here's my personal opinion on Bon Gino.
	I should say I don't know the guy, I don't have a you know any connection to the guy.
	I have been listening to a couple of shows, but I think the total number of shows I heard from him were about six.
	So it's not like I'm his greatest fan.
	I was just far too busy.
	I wish I would have listened more.
	Um, he had a couple of really good points, but um first of all, number one, he has been consistently and quite angrily saying the same stuff with such a conviction whereby his micro expressions match what he's saying.
	I genuinely believe he is against the deep state and wants to tidy stuff up.
	That's totally in his favor.
	That was consistent over years.
	In fact, when his you know, uh old friend of many years with whom he was in the station in Moscow at the embassy, right?
	When his friend got the job of Secret Service Director, Bon Gino was so pissed off, he actually went on a mini round on one of his shows.
	It was clear that he wanted that job.
	Okay, so he wants to tidy up the deep state so badly, he was pissed when a good friend of his got the job instead of him, right?
	So that's another point.
	Not really in his favor because he shit talked his friend of many years live on camera, you know, but it shows he really wanted the job.
	So I actually agree with Trump that making him deputy director of the FBI was perfect, perfect.
	I all the appointments I totally agree with.
	Now, here's the thing, what happened?
	When he got into the FBI, you have to remember uh Bon Gino was Secret Service, but he was protective division, not investigative division.
	Big difference, different skill sets, as he said himself.
	He never really, you know.
	Yeah, I think he did some financial investigations, but he I don't think he ever investigated the intelligence agencies.
	And remember, for you and me, the shit they pull, it's just like, yeah, duh, that's just what they do.
	But for the average person to whom the FBI is still a law enforcement agency, they can't even imagine the shit the FBI is doing.
	The average person does not know that the drug distribution center uh network in the United States is run by the FBI.
	They they can't get their head around it.
	They can't get their head around the fact that all of these smash shootings were all staged, or the great number of them.
	Every single one you and I looked at, right?
	They cannot imagine this.
	In their heads, it's still a police organization.
	It's not, it's organized crime.
	But they don't know it.
	So I think Bon Gino is still part of those people who kind of suspects.
	It knows there's a deep state, suspects what it involves, but really concretely doesn't have a freaking clue because he never ran those in detailed investigations as you and I have done, right?
	That's the thing.
	Now, what speaks in his favor, though, is when he got into office and was there for a couple of months, and then Pam Bondi pulled that bullshit with the Epstein files, where she kind of backpedaled and so on.
	Bon Gino had such a meltdown that on Wednesday he left the office, and by Friday, people thought he's not going to turn up on Monday morning.
	He was done.
	He was done with these idiots, right?
	Which actually really speaks to this guy's character.
	That's what I want.
	A person of integrity, when faced with such egregious bullshit as Pam Bondi tried to pull with the Epstein files, I expect them to walk out.
	And he did.
	He went back to Florida.
	He was done.
	In the end, I think Trump called him and they had a nice conversation and he was back at work.
	They they came up with something together.
	But that when he pulled that, that's when I thought number one, yes, he is of integrity.
	Number two, the guy's got balls to just show it, you know, to all of them and just walk out.
	So I think if you have to assess his character, these are the evidentiary, you know, facts that help you.
	I think he is uh in the right place.
	Now, what you need to know though is Bon Gino is not just not investigative division, he most certainly is not a computer programmer.
	He has mentioned on his show that he's a shareholder of Rumble, but he just bought shares because people asked him to invest.
	Now, that's actually good for you because if you can bring it to his attention, he is one of the major shareholders.
	He does have a say, right?
	On so many uh respects.
	But because he's not an IT, he has no idea what the IT department of Rumble is pulling.
	I don't think the CEO of Rumble knows what the IT department of uh Rumble is pulling.
	Now, the other thing is the Intel agencies already control YouTube.
	When you have a platform like Rumble that's rising, right?
	It's like a shooting star, so you know, they the first thing that they will do is infiltrate it and try to control it just like they control YouTube.
	So it's really up to us to to scratch and claw and fight and get through to Bon Gino and say, listen, by the way, Minneapolis was a staged false flag.
	It's your job to investigate it and pull the plug on this bullshit.
	There's huge funding behind this.
	It's USAID USAID is is like, I don't know, a little baby project compared to the intelligence agencies.
	You need to pull the funding on these things, you need to prosecute them.
	And oh, by the way, you know this company you invested in, and that you've you're running all these shows.
	Look at what bullshit they are pulling.
	You know, I think you can get his attention, and I think it's important you get his attention on all of this because all the leads run through you, Jim.
	Fascinating, Catherine.
	I need this kind of feedback.
	I need to get a better sense of exactly where I am in this issue.
	I mean, I tell you where you are.
	You in the world, okay?
	You have the attention of Mossad, you have the attention of the FBI, and through that guaranteed you have the attention of MI6, not least because I'm that slave and they're following everything I'm doing, and you're interviewing me.
	So you have the attention of everybody, and I don't know anybody in the United States who's been debunking false flag operations to the extent you have.
	I know all the Domigar does the European ones, you do the ones in the US.
	You too are the superstars Of this field, right?
	So just feel honored that they are fucking with you to this extent.
	I would just be pissed off that the best that they could come up with is Victor Hugo Backer.
	I'm sure they have better people somewhere.
	I think there's another in our league.
	Nick Cole Strom from the UK has done a book of 13 Vault Flags.
	He's really wonderful and all kinds of historical frauds too, Catherine.
	He is a question about the historical.
	I have his book about the 7-7 London Underground bombings.
	That's it.
	And um, yes, that is a good mention, and I think people need to, you know, you need to plug your books a lot more.
	Moonrocks book moonrockbooks.com.
	Um actually I can share my screen and show people because they have to get this.
	They I'm not kidding people.
	If you want higher education as an adult, you need to go to moonrockbooks.com.
	Let me show you what to look for.
	Hang on.
	It's the internet flaked out again.
	Can you still hear me?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Somehow.
	Hang on.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm I misspelled it.
	Moonrock Books.
	Okay.
	So I would like to share my screen, and I want people to let's get these damn books.
	And then you're your host.
	Okay.
	Oh, damn.
	Okay, that's a lot of responsibility.
	So everybody is listening.
	You go to Moon Rockbooks.com, Moon Rockbooks.com, and then you go to the shop and you have all these books.
	The Chronicles of False Flag Terror, JFK.
	Um, oh, they're also the three banned ones.
	The Orlando um uh one, nobody died.
	It was Boston.
	That's Boston.
	Yeah.
	The Boston bombing.
	My god, the Boston bombing was the one where they had the guy, the the amputee.
	Um with uh he was a he was a known amputee, and they they pretended like his leg was blown off.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	He lost them in Cantar, Afghanistan Afghanistan, not Boston, Massachusetts.
	Okay, I know it's so embarrassing.
	Yeah, I mean, how can anyone not understand what happened in Boston?
	I mean, the Globe was even tweeting that a bomb was going to be set off during the during the marathon for bomb squad activities.
	I mean, crazy.
	Now, some of the books I have, uh like Parkland, uh, I think it's out of print.
	Charlottesville out of print.
	I mean, Amazon banned six of my books.
	Out of print, how can it be out of print?
	It's a PDF.
	What do you have to do to print some more?
	Oh, it's it it's good.
	I'll send this to Dave to the publisher.
	I think they all should be in print.
	I I'm concerned that they're not all in print.
	You can you can get a redacted edition of the Sandy Hook book from my blog.
	If you go to if you go to fake news, the truth versus Alex Jones, you can download it.
	Yeah.
	Go to jameshvetzer.org and then go to fake news, the truth versus Alex Jones.
	Bye.
	So...
	Thank you.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Uh say the website again, James H Fetzer.org.
	Or that's it.
	Okay, that's what I'll say.
	Fake news colon, the truth versus Alex Jones.
	That's the title of the blog.
	Okay, hang on, hang on.
	Um, so let me show let's show our viewers how to get there because this is important stuff.
	Anybody who wants to know what's going on needs to know, you know, how to navigate this.
	So you go to James Hfetsa.org, not dot com, and then how do I get to it from here?
	Well, there are various ways.
	I think you could just put a comma after the blog name and put in comma, just add a comma.
	Fake news and caps, the truth versus Alex Jones.
	Yeah, fake news, the truth versus Alex Jones?
	Just VS, just VS.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, hang on.
	I can't even see what this is because the share screen.
	They'll probably get it with what you put in.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Yes, because it's um I it's meant to be a Google search.
	Um hang on, let me let me do that differently.
	I mean, I can do it on the game.
	Yeah.
	There we go.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	Fake news, the truth versus Alex Jones.
	Okay, it's loading.
	So people need to educate themselves because they are being bullshit by the mainstream media, by the intelligence agencies.
	And you said that there's a redacted version of this.
	Yeah.
	Is there actually a PDF on here?
	Or is that the uh Yeah, yeah, it's a redacted PDF.
	Where's the link to the PDF?
	Is that the right at the bottom at the bottom?
	There you go, right there.
	Here we go.
	And a bother.
	You can also get download it here.
	You can also get the Andy or Truth, a redacted edition, too, that I did with Robert David Steele.
	You can get that too.
	Fantastic.
	That's the one I did with D. All and the other, you know, that you can get this Andy Hart.
	Go just go back and up one.
	And you got it.
	Go up.
	Oh, sorry.
	Yes, I'll go up here.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Oh, yes, that was the bonus that you succeed.
	This is a good thing.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	So people can get the book now for free.
	456 pages, people, for free.
	If you want to be educated about the rule that has been pulled over people's eyes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Nobody died at Cindy Hawk.
	It was a FEMA drill to promote gun control.
	And it's so important that people actually do take this seriously.
	So back in the day, you had to go to school to learn to read and write and to navigate society.
	These days, with a deep state having such a grip on everything around us, people need to do higher education themselves and educate themselves about the nonsense that's being pulled all around them.
	Because if you live in a major city, chances are there is some false flag around you.
	Some shooting will have been staged, some other stuff will have been staged.
	Sometimes people genuinely lie in false flag operations, like at 9-11.
	So we all need to wisen up to this stuff.
	I also like to remind people, uh, remember the the conference we had down in uh um with with Gary King.
	Yeah.
	Remember that?
	And remember the time when he um during the conference, he told us that fake news on the local radio could be identified by certain keywords.
	And I think from memory it was man, the word man used in an odd contact text, or son, because they are sun worshippers, or ram, because rams are satanic, like all these goats, goatey things.
	Okay.
	So he said in these fake radio broadcasts, look for man, son, or ram used in an odd way.
	And he said he tested this little theory when there was some sort of uh some stabbing on on a street where he grew up and he still had friends who live there, and he called them and he said, What happened?
	And his friends were like, What are you on about?
	He said, Isn't that his huge police presence?
	Isn't it wasn't that a massive stabbing?
	And they said, Well, we have we've been out on the porch the whole day, and it's nothing.
	So it's fake, okay?
	Fake news are being pumped.
	Um, but but what was interesting is that the next day, remember, he drove us to the airport so that we could all fly home from the conference, and because it was a morning rush hour, he said, I will put on the radio and I wager that on the news there will be some fake news.
	And lo and behold, there was again an attack by a knife man, and I remember this distinctly because he said, Oh, here we go, the knife man, right?
	And the moment he said that, remember that a pebble or stone broke the windshield.
	Do you remember that?
	Yeah.
	Because I think you were sitting in the front, and this suddenly the windshield broke this massive impact sound.
	But what was very interesting is that as I was looking through, I was in the back seat diagonally behind you, and I was looking through the exact point where that impact supposedly happened, and every in every previous occasion in my life when the windshield was broken by a pebble, I could see the stone fly off the windshield.
	This time I saw nothing.
	So I remember saying to you, I think I was a pulse-energy projectile.
	I think they just hit the window from a weapon a car, a weapon hidden in the uh um in a car next to us, just as retaliation for us all laughing about their fake news.
	And I remember also saying to you, look at the the angle of impact that you could see from the cracks, because if there was a pulse energy projectile, it went through the window, missed your head, and went through the side window.
	Lucky.
	Yeah, lucky for you, Jim.
	It could have been an assassination attempt for crime outline.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Damn.
	Damn.
	Just another one, just another, just another Wednesday morning for us all.
	Yeah.
	So if you are wondering where you are in the in the, you know, in the landscape, you are one of the giants.
	And that's why you have you know, bespoke service from Victor Hugo Vaca trying to uh you know defame you.
	It's unbelievable.
	If it weren't for the honor of the whole thing, 750 plus, it's really stunning, Catherine.
	What he does.
	I mean, yeah, if you go now, go to BitChute and just put in Victor Hugo, comma, Jim Fetzer, and we'll get the latest number, the latest update.
	Because I I have it checked out the latest count.
	Okay, I'm I I want to I want to show people what it looks like when you go to BitChute now, so they can they can do the search with us.
	Yeah, because you know it's it's quite amazing.
	So in the search, I type him what Jim Fetzer?
	Yes.
	So Victor Hugo, Victor Hugo, comma Jim Fetzer.
	But if I just type Jim Fetzer, you're right.
	Look at that.
	This is actually Jane Ava Tracy is portraying you like a clown.
	Who is Jane Ava Tracy?
	She's Victor's sock, but some think that it's actually Victor wearing a dress.
	This is me again.
	This is cute.
	Yeah.
	You have the second videos from you and uh the fourth or the fifths here, but all the others, these these uh, you know, overlet colors.
	This is all Victor Hugo everywhere.
	And if I just type if I type uh just put Victor Hugo comma in in front of my name.
	But yeah, there you go.
	There you go.
	808 videos.
	And here's about seven hours ago, eight hours ago.
	Eight videos, Catherine.
	I'm telling you, there's big money behind the faming you, and you can see the same style of thumbnail here.
	That's why I said it's computer generated.
	He doesn't have the skills.
	Yeah, yep.
	So, hey, this is all just for you, Jim.
	So you have to be proud.
	I mean, it's I think it has reached the this the stage where you should put this on your resume, you know.
	Well, you know, uh he he knows I've had a heart attack, and he's made it very clear he would like this to induce uh another potentially fatal.
	He's really treating me as a dead man walking.
	I think you think you're more in danger to laugh yourself to death over this.
	I'll just tell you, I I don't sweat, I don't pay attention to the videos.
	I pay attention that they're there, and I share them with my colleagues, and they spend a more a lot of time analyzing them, but I don't myself, so you know, I'm gonna spare myself.
	I have better things to do with my copious free time as a saying as it.
	So I love what you're doing with it, Catherine.
	Wonderful.
	808.
	And it's all for you.
	I mean, this this is very tailored, and and you have to be aware that is.
	I mean, unfortunately, this is our taxpayer money paying for this, but uh there's there's a significantly sized operation dedicated just to you, yeah, you know, to do this.
	So um, and I think that needs to be flagged, and I think uh Dan Bon Gino might be, you know, the perfect person to flag this to.
	Cash is probably too busy.
	But I think the deputy director would be in charge of going after these things and finding the funding pool for these people.
	Now, if Bill were here, he would point out that all the financial information, all the telecommunication information pertaining to Victor Hugo Vaca and this entire little cottage industry dedicated to defaming you, is in the NSA databases and will remain in the NSA databases, you know, for posterity.
	So you have all the time in the world to go after them.
	But yes, I'm writing that that uh you know expert witness testimony about the fact that yes, this is how the Intel agencies work in Europe and in uh over here, and yes, it's the Intel agencies going after you like this because no private person would ever have the time or energy or the motif to do such a thing.
	800 just so absurd, Catherine.
	It's so absurd.
	And you know, my my local chief of police doesn't want to touch this with a 10-foot pole.
	I even wrote her when she declined to pursue with a list of the statutes of Wisconsin that he's violating six or eight statutes that are being violated, and she won't browse it.
	Here my resident of this little village, we're only like 4500 residents, and the the chief of police won't investigate these offenses, even when I spell it out.
	Here is a statute A, B, C, D, E, she won't do anything.
	What's going on there?
	Because also if if uh Victor Hugo is not in your state, would that not be something for a federal law enforcement agency?
	In other words, I know this is the FBI committing these crimes, so reporting it to the FBI would only be a pro forma thing, so that you can show in court that you did report it to the FBI.
	Yeah, there may be other legal entities I should be considering.
	Yeah, I filed it myself.
	Yeah, and initially the judge had a question about jurisdiction because by their terms of service, it has to be done in their state.
	That would be uh uh uh Wyoming or Florida, bit you rumble, and by arbitration, and there'd be no publicity.
	So I pointed out the offense was committed here.
	I reside in Wisconsin, it would be you know excessive harmful for me to have to travel to to contest this crime, but also because it deserves exposure.
	This is a matter of public interest that they're violating their own terms of service, and because they're violating their terms of service contract is null and void, including the arbitration clause, and he bought it.
	There's no longer concern about jurisdiction.
	I don't know what he's done yet, whether summons have been set in a bit shooting rumble.
	I may call tomorrow to the court to get an update.
	But I feel very good.
	I had an AI assessment of my lawsuit, uh and it was excellent, excellent, is making all the points I had in the suit already and pointing out uh what they're gonna try to do to defend it.
	I know how I'm gonna respond.
	I mean, it's really wonderful.
	Excellent.
	Sometimes AI can be really really useful.
	Well, you know, it knows which points you made because it probably took the points from you, Jim, by using the data.
	I had to give them my documents because it couldn't access because they're in the court files.
	But right, right.
	Yes, I see it's a private network, yeah.
	But I think this is an excellent case.
	The other avenue you have also, because as I said when you brought up Bon Gino, um Rum it this whole thing, remember, is not being initiated from Rumble.
	It wasn't that Rumble one day woke up and thought, oh, we're going to go after Professor Fetzer.
	No, this is the FBI whose false flag operations you're debunking.
	Now, this is not the little bit of FBI, which consists probably of a six-person team of integrity around Cash Patel and Bon Gino.
	This is the deep state FBI of millions of people, right?
	They have front organizations, gang stalkers.
	This is like a behemoth.
	And it's that deep state FBI that is coming after you.
	And it's it's basically deputizing Rumble.
	So I think another way to argue jurisdiction is that your primary target is not even Victor Hugovaca who doesn't have the power to make rumble you know bend to his will, but it's actually a super structure be above them both, which is the domestic intelligence agency FBI, which can deputize Rumble.
	They have done it in the COVID cases, right?
	They can ban videos there's even right now public testimony or public evidence about, I think it was Brennan who did the same thing and he decided what should be I mean as a all the usual bastards right who told Facebook what they can and cannot publish right.
	But all that is now in the public domain.
	So you can refer to that and say yes the intelligencies can make social media platforms go after people and ban certain context contents.
	So I think the way to argue it is that you have the mothership you know the the Death Star being the FBI and they hire you know little goofballs like Victor Hugo Vaca and they will just use uh rumble and that way you know the more litigants you add to your shit list uh the more likely you have you the the more likely it is for something to stick and also the FBI has very deep pockets.
	So if you're looking for damages, you're going to get more from the FBI than you're going to get from Victor Hugo.
	Fascinating.
	Fascinating, Catherine.
	Absolutely fascinating.
	The other thing is hot tip about the courts, right?
	Women found out the hard way.
	If you're looking at things like, oh, you know, some injustice, the courts are hopeless at somehow remedying injustices.
	The courts are really, you know, what's it called?
	Maritime law, commercial courts.
	What they are excellent at is settling money disputes between men because it's really a Masonic shitshow, the whole court system.
	So if you go into court as a man and you have monetary issues, like somebody harmed your reputation and you want money for it, that's what the courts are perfect for.
	So don't look for higher level justice and idealist stuff because they're hopeless.
	Look for hardcore cash.
	I'm asking monster damages, Catherine.
	Good.
	I'm proud of you.
	A punitive up to 30 mil apiece for both Rumble and for Blum.
	bits 30 mil a piece sounds like a wonderful retirement well I love your analysis yeah it's just terrific very very helpful very helpful.
	But also, you know what?
	Don't be disheartened.
	And always remember that.
	I mean, it's like it's already tried to say it, but you know you're above the targets when you take the flag.
	So when you have a bespoke dedicated service like Victor Hugo Vacker, you know you have to continue on this path.
	We have to expose these false flag operations.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Unrelenting.
	I will.
	Dave needs to get all those books into print.
	Oh, yes, because I mean, Amazon banned six, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, Orlando and Dallas, Charlottesville, Parkland, and then the moon landing book.
	And that was done by the ADL because that is a section of essays debunking the Holocaust mythology.
	So they specifically asked Amazon to ban any book that disputed the official narrative of the Holocaust.
	And Amazon banned, I don't know, between 200 and 2000 books on that account, just at the behest of the ADL.
	Catherine, how outrageous is that?
	I think you should mention that in your court case as well, because it's evidence that you are a handpicked target.
	You can actually show that intelligence agencies have been coming after you and banning books.
	I mean, goodness, I mean, how much stuff is on Amazon that doesn't get banned?
	you see what I mean so So they specifically went after you while leaving all the other bullshit books intact that might be, you know, I don't know, denying the Holocaust, whatever.
	They they're all out there, but instead they came after you.
	Why?
	Because you debunking the false flag operations is a is a huge threat to them and their business plans.
	So I I would mention that, and because you can point to to six books having been banned by Amazon.
	I don't think the average judge is aware that Amazon bans books.
	Yeah.
	The other thing is that you know, you might also throw Amazon into the mix, uh, saying that, hey, you know, why not add them as defendants because there's damages as well.
	How can you ban a book?
	How can you how can you um uh I mean this is really your your free speech rights?
	How can you deprive somebody's you know right of free speech without a court order?
	Had somebody obtained a court order to ban the book, okay, but they have to go through legal process when they just ban the book.
	It's basically a private company that's specializing in running server farms and putting up really product ads because they are you know they're open, they have opened their markets to other sellers, not just Amazon native uh you know sellers.
	So a company that's specializing on running server farms and websites is now deciding your free speech rights in the US.
	Yep, that's right.
	That's exactly right.
	I would I would add an addendum to this court case, you know.
	Do you know that judge in my case after the last appeal from the Posner team was denied a motion to dismiss.
	He retired from the bench five and a half years prematurely, Catherine.
	Five well, because he developed a conscience by denying the you know the corrupt bastards their their wish.
	So did I understand it correctly?
	The they wanted to dismiss your case, and the judge said no, and then quickly retired.
	Yeah.
	Well, that was his last time.
	They put the this is to the court of appeals.
	Yeah, they asked the court of appeals to dismiss the case, which entailed, you know, I had motions to recuse the judge.
	And and proof after proof about he'd made improper rulings.
	I mean, ignored the affidavit that would have exonerated me, excluded the testimony of two forensic document excerpts at exonerated me.
	He he he wouldn't even qualify me as a media person, even though I was being sued over sentences in a book that I'd published.
	I mean, it was this blatant Catherine.
	And when they declined to dismiss, he retired early on the 3rd of May, after when his term wasn't up until 30 August 2025.
	I mean, 2026, uh 2030, 2030, Catherine.
	He's retired five and a half years early.
	And I'm thinking because he was afraid he was going to be recused from the bench or even recused from the case, or even removed from the bench.
	is so gross.
	Well, you need to put that on your resume because you have This is single, you single-handedly helped to drain the swamp by getting rid of that corrupt bastard, you know.
	And uh not in jail, which I'm sorry about, but you know, we will settle, we will settle for just removing him.
	No, seriously, because you know, when people say somebody should do something about the corruption in the bench, this is how you do something about it.
	You get these bastards, you force them out by showing up their corruption, and you have put so much work into this achievement.
	This is this is phenomenal.
	I'm so proud of you because uh I had a friend um in uh switzerland, Gerhard Ulrich, who um really went into um this whole thing of how can we get how can we restore the courts back to integrity?
	And he had an entire group of independent court observers who would just sit in the back and just observe the the judge, and the judges would freak out about it because suddenly they were being watched by independent people who saw their corruption, and he forced several judges uh to recuse themselves, some of them without even being asked, right?
	And I think he mentioned somebody going into early retirement As well.
	So this is how you restore the courts to integrity.
	You know, you are one of our top fighters, Jim.
	And you have to tell the world about your huge achievements.
	You think it's nothing.
	This is not nothing.
	You got one corrupt boston town.
	That's great.
	And he was court of appeal, you said, right?
	Say again.
	He was at on the court of appeal.
	No, no, no.
	He was my circuit court judge.
	You run the case, ignored, wouldn't allow any of my evidence in.
	So he could have an absence of disputed facts, so he could do a summary judgment and rule, which he decided to do, and he already knew that was his game plan coming in.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, the other thing is also it's not necessarily even his game plan because the Intel agencies would have a legal team behind the judge, and they would brainstorm about how to defuse this whole situation.
	And you can tell that they have handlers, because in one of the cases of Gerhard Ulrich, he forced, he was he actually forced the judge, the prosecutor, and his own defense lawyer, all three to sign a paper saying that they do not belong to a secret society, or if they do, they should state which one because the case was about a Freemason, okay.
	And the judge had a meltdown, and in the end, she had to adjourn the case because she had to go back to Big Daddy and find out what to do about this.
	When a judge can't make her own decision about what to do, you know she has a handler.
	So they they all have handlers, they all have backdoor teams, they all brainstorm together.
	And um, you know, the the legal strategy against you would have been the brainchild of several people who are experts in the in the field of corrupt legal shit fuckery.
	So just be proud that you managed to just you know hold your own against them.
	Got it crazy.
	I mean, they've had good advice, you know, from multiple sources, but I've had to chart my own course.
	It was uh amusing that toward the end when I was filing these briefs because of my Sandy Arc friends.
	I actually came in contact with uh the real person behind the legal fiction, Lenny Posner.
	His name is Ruben Wabner, and Ruben Wabner was saying how he thought my briefs were much better now.
	And I I conveyed to them that it's because I was writing them myself.
	That in the past I'd had assisted writing my brief, but now I was riding my own briefs.
	He liked them a lot better.
	He he was up for us sitting down and having dinner and drinks together when I get out to Connecticut.
	See, now it's fallen apart because they're all in for Israel.
	So they threw me under the bus when I signed a petition to the UN Secretary General to some part of RAN.
	They decided that was too much.
	And uh, but uh I had three unbelievable years, Catherine.
	Participating in a daily basis on their activities.
	I mean, really just wonderful.
	I just I just love the whole damn thing.
	I spent hours on the phone with Steve regaling me about the activities of Margaret and Victoria.
	I mean, I just loved it.
	This is so incredible.
	I mean, so he basically got friendly with the guy who was one of the main fake dads in the in the stage science.
	He basically ran the whole shop.
	Wow.
	And that's why Sandy Promise got worried.
	They didn't like I was on friendly terms that I had Sandy France when they're raking in the money.
	They're getting over a million bucks a month now to this day, Catherine, off of Sandy Hook, a million bucks a month after all these years.
	So they don't they don't want the gravy train to be cut off, and they see me as a threat.
	I also strongly suspect that it's not just them scamming innocent people who donate to them.
	I think also a lot of the people who donate to them are part of the FBI ecosystem, and it's a way to launder money to them, so they can pay for these jobs.
	And the people who donate money to them are people who are getting paid by the FBI themselves, and they are under orders to pass a certain amount of money to these other people.
	So it's Just one big laundry cycle.
	Um, and people don't even know how many are involved.
	You you somehow learn about just how many people in your local environment are in with this deep state crowd when they start fucking with you.
	We had a local vet, um, you know, and the assistant of the vet messing with us, and um, you know, you you you kind of it's it's very sobering, uh initially soul destroying until you find your inner strength and you are happy with fighting the whole world alone as you need to.
	But um on the upside, I see normal people or whistleblowers walk into this crazy world.
	This it's actually a bifurcated world of insiders and non-insiders, and getting extremely bewildered when they suddenly start being messed with in the street and in shops, and you know, they suddenly have this feeling of the whole world is against you.
	And I have to tell them it's not the whole world, it's a parallel society that has been all around us for centuries.
	We just didn't see these people.
	When you end up on their shit list, they start revealing themselves to you.
	But you have to remember there's an equal number of non-insiders, us schmucks, and we need to wisen up to their schemes.
	Yeah.
	Oh god, but the fact that they're raking in a million dollars per month just shows you how lucrative it is to be in with the crowd that prints money through the banks.
	Yeah.
	Scams galore.
	It may be the biggest business in America.
	I think it is.
	I think it is.
	Actually, yeah, Catherine Austin fitz cottoned onto this.
	She said she was doing trips through rural America, and the one of the things that she noticed is there was there was basically no economy there.
	So all the shops were boarded up, and whatever shops were open.
	She she said she looked at the shops, and she has you know done business analysis for Wall Street and so on and so on.
	And you just look at the business, and you know that business is not making enough money to keep the doors open.
	So, what is it?
	It's a front organization.
	It's a front organization, it's a front for something happening in the local area.
	So when you start thinking in those terms, you realize holy shit, there's this underground economy, and it's about drug distribution.
	Not a single rural little dinky village is ever short on drugs, never.
	So there's this huge you know, underground uh drug industry.
	There's prostitution, child trafficking, you know, it's booming business, but it's it's hidden.
	I think you're 100% right.
	I think that's absolutely right, and that this may have as much to do with uh money laundering as it was scamming, sincere Americans who are simply played by the phony story and um with emotional impact.
	And I bet at this point it may be more money laundering than it is actually playing the sockers and saps.
	I think so, because who who the hell would still donate to Sandy Hook?
	Do you see what I mean?
	It's it's just so out of mind, out of sight, out of mind.
	You wouldn't have a monthly donation going to that same thing because so many other shootings happen in the news.
	So if you're just um, you know, I don't know, um somebody who got duped, you wouldn't still be donating.
	That's why I'm saying if they're raking in a million dollars per month, it means that the FBI is laundering a million dollars of taxpayers' money per month to these guys, and then it's not necessarily money that stays with them.
	The question is what they are funding from all that.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Catherine, wonderful.
	What a spectacular conversation.
	I love it, I love it, I love it.
	Yeah, stay stay strong, uh Jim, and never underestimate your importance in the world because you're one of our giants.
	Well, you're very kind to say those things.
	Uh I regard your hook.
	It's not kind.
	I'm sorry, Jim, it's not kind, as you know, I'm always right.
	I'll take your word for it, Catherine.
	I'll take your word for it.
	This Jim Fetzer, real deal, special report with Catherine Horton.
	What a delight.
	And back next week with Bill Benny.
	Stand by.

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