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The Raw Deal (20 August 2025) "Fearsome Threesome" edition with Russ Winter and Joachim Hagopian
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Right.
Oh, let's give it a go.
The stories today include the peace process, which Paul Craig Roberts is calling out as a sham.
And by the way, this is Jim Fetzer, your host, right here on the Raw Deal.
Revolution Radio Studio B, the 20th day of August, 2025, with Russ Winter and Joaquin Negopium for a fearsome, threesome edition.
We get with Paul Craig Roberts calling out the peace process as a scam, as a ruse.
I don't have any doubt.
He's reporting that Witkov, the special envoy, has reported Putin has agreed to a land swap of NATO's protection of Ukraine, which would amount to a Putin surrender.
This is why this looks like a big lie.
Why would Putin allow himself to be put in such a situation?
In my opinion, he would not.
It's really embarrassing.
If Putin hasn't accepted NATO protection of Ukraine and a land swap, that would leave a number of Russians to the mercy of Ukraine.
And what happens when this comes clear and the peace process blows up?
A fellow named Helmer is also emphasizing the idea of Trump winning the agenda, but that's simply absurd.
Here's Paul Craig Roberts' bottom line.
It seems to me the only way Putin could survive the military and Russian nationalists by agreeing to a land swap of NATO protection would be to explain it's just a ruse to gain time by ending an unembarked conflict in order to prepare for a much larger one.
Now, I think the ruse is on the side of the West, not on the side of Ukraine, and that we're getting a lot of big lies.
Joaquin, your thoughts.
Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
We know from over and over again, you can't trust America or any of its allies, including, of course, Europe, the vassals, Europe, who want that war to continue at all costs, including their little puppet, Zelensky.
So, yeah, I don't put anything past this.
And I think it's all staged.
It's all for show.
And the war is going to go on.
And basically, Trump has already signaled that he's going to send weapons.
Supposedly, they're going to be bought.
Who cares whether they're bought or given free?
They're weapons that are going to be killing Russians.
That's the big point.
So, yeah, I don't think this war is going to end.
Europe and the rest of them, the puppet masters that control these idiots, yes, they want war and they're going to get it.
Rush, your thoughts.
I don't know what they're even talking about, land swap.
That's the problem.
Nobody's ever very clear on their definitions of anything.
But what I understand.
I think that might be related to right now the line of engagement in Zaporizhia and Kharasa.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Trump had this absurd idea that Russia could relinquish any claims as Abrazai or Kiracen and give them back to Ukraine, which would separate Donetsk and Luhans from Crimea.
They can't.
Well, there's an area in Donets that's still in contention because that's not up for negotiations.
Well, the western part of Donets is a big fortified area.
So I think that Ukraine is going to try to keep that.
They have literally a big Verdun type fortification in there.
They're losing their cities, Russ, right and left.
It's all going Russia's way.
Hang on a minute.
Hang on a minute.
They're pretty dug in there.
And I think Putin wants to take that area to kind of take all of Donets because that opens the way into the plains further to the west.
So that's really a critical area in the drawing of the map.
Western Donetsk is held right now by Ukraine.
And it's very hard to get them out of there because they're really dug in.
So I just had that observation.
They've been there for many years now.
Yeah, they have.
Right.
Well, they're not going to just let that go, I don't think.
I have no doubt Russia can take it out.
The geography is such.
It's astonishing to me that Trump that Putin continues to show such limited aspirations.
He just wants those five old blocks.
I mean, Crimea already became a part of Russia with that referendum that was internationally supervised.
If he can take this area I'm telling you about, then he can roll the whole country up easily.
But this is area sort of a barrier and a line that's preventing that.
So that's an important part of the discussion.
I think they need to take Odessa as well.
Yes, yes.
Yeah, yeah.
And it just got bombed the hell out of it in the last 24 hours.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The port, the infrastructure of oil.
Yeah.
What baffles me is any pretend that Ukraine has any cards to place.
Sometimes Trump has been emphatic.
He's told Zelensky, you don't have any cards.
You've got to give up land.
You can't join NATO.
Other times he's equivocated and came up with his half-hass idea of a security buffer zone or the U.S. guaranteeing Ukraine security as though it were an Article 5 agreement.
Those are absurdities.
The Russians would never agree to them.
I can't believe they would be seriously proposed, Joachim.
That would never, never be accepted by Putin that they have.
I don't care which country, any kind of NATO troops inside Ukraine, that's off the table.
No way.
I mean, Putin's a very flexible guy, but he ain't going to go that route.
Rush further thought.
Well, there's some kind of discussion of what's called the Austrian agreement 1955 when Austria became a neutral country and the Russians pulled out of that of Austria and just left it alone and it became not a member of NATO for a long time and kind of a very unique political situation.
Still is kind of.
Austria is a peculiar country because of the it's almost like Switzerland with its neutrality.
Yeah, I think the world needs more of that.
And maybe that's what would be the good model for Ukraine.
There's some discussion of that and particularly how the Europeans are kind of open to it.
Well, remember Putin's demands, the territorial demand, the no NATO, the demilitarization, denazification if neutrality entailed demilitarization and denazification.
He keeps the territories and there's no NATO.
I think that would be a solution.
I think that's roughly what the Russians have in mind.
Do you not agree, Joachim?
They never changed.
I mean, even prior to the, you know, the what, the February 22nd special military operation, even prior to that, they were working on the same conditions that they still have now.
Yes.
You know, the West just will not accept it.
Their strategic goals have never changed, which indicates they were sound, they were firm, and they're non-negotiable as far as I can see.
Yeah.
Meanwhile, we have a very interesting piece by our colleague.
Trump's biggest lie.
Settled six wars in six months.
This has just been published on my blog previously on the government rag.
Joachim author, let me read a paragraph or two.
Con man, President Donald Trump knows his first half year plus now his second term president has been sheer disaster.
He's got back and forth flip-lops interspersed with his trademark belligerent threats and left the rest of the world largely trying to stay clear of his grandiose-sized ego and ever-changing demands.
Trade-wise, his terror of aggression as most other nations trying to avoid him and his self-undoing tariffs, resolving to take their business elsewhere to actively court new partners for trading commerce.
Trump is being forced to realize he and the U.S. are not the center of the world, but just another dying paper tiger, ex-empire, going down in flames.
Trump and the U.S. are forced to face the humbling reality that they need the rest of the world more than it needs them.
Joaquin, I think you got it exactly right.
You expand on more.
Well, you know, it's always like, you do what the U.S. says or else, you know, it's a big paper tiger.
I mean, they don't have the grit and the force and the wherewithal to back up all their threats.
And I think the world sees through it now.
And, you know, basically it's represented by the global south nation majority, and they're just in droves going to become members.
I think what?
It's up to 15 or something right now with BRICS.
And there's just going to be more and more.
So it's like they got China, Iran, Russia on their side, and BRICS.
And it's just expanding.
And they're just also fed up with this unipolar megalomaniacal do what I say or I'll kill you.
Well, those days are over.
And they're not going to get away with it anymore.
Plus, they got the Eastern powers to back it up, that if there is a conventional World War III, the West is going to be the end.
They're going to get their ass kicked because they do not have the military to stand up to the Eastern powers.
So it's a, you know, the way I look at it, the real, you know, string pullers are the city of London.
They want the West to go down.
That's the priority number one in their crosshairs because they know they have the largest middle classes, albeit they're very shrinking fast.
But they know that the countries that stand up for freedom and have enjoyed that privilege of having a constitutional republic government, even though we don't have it anymore, it's all on paper only now.
But anyway, we have been used to for a long time a lot more freedom than some of those Eastern countries have had.
So, yeah, they want to take down the West first.
And, you know, they use the Eastern powers as controlled opposition.
So my view is that that's what's going to happen.
They're going to go full speed into World War III, despite this little sidetrack with Alaska and the whole bit.
And I think Putin is a shrewd dude who knows that the West, United States, Trump, cannot be trusted.
He knows that.
He learned it the hard way over and over and over again.
So he's already prepared to probably go all the way to the Polish border and do what he has to because the West is going to be resisting and becoming more aggressive, both in rhetoric and they probably will be deploying troops against the Russians.
So yeah, I don't see all the happy sailors all thinking that it's going to change now because Putin and Trump are on the same page now.
Oh, shut up.
No, no, no.
That's not the way it works when it comes to America that always goes for war because the city of London makes them.
One of the reports we have is that Trump and his aides appeared ashen-faced after they emerged from a meeting of, I think it was just three on three with Putin.
And I believe this would justify his having come to Alaska, though I'm also convinced it was not Putin himself, but a body double that he delivered the message about the annihilation of Europe.
He may have enumerated the cities that be taken out, Paris, London, Brussels, Berlin, Washington, D.C., New York City, Chicago.
They came out ashen-faced.
And I think that had he been delivering that message, whether in person or through a body double, that that ought to have had some impact.
Because Russia, as you're saying, Joaquin, has the ability to wipe out the West in a moment's time.
I mean, this would be a one-day war.
There's not going to be a six-day or a 12-day.
There's going to be a one-day war and it's all over.
Ruts.
Well, the data point that I learned the other day, checking with ChatGPT, is that the Russians have 1.1 million active troops in the field, veterans at this point, because they've been fighting for two years.
And they have one and a half million reservists that are highly trained.
And some of them have been kind of rotated in and out of the front lines where they get some experience and then they can send them back into reserve status.
So they could put an army of 2.6 million men into the field overnight.
And Europe can't deal with that.
The United States can't deal with it.
So nobody even talks about that.
And that even surprised me because I thought that the Russians had thrown in at least a portion of the reserves and they haven't.
As I see it, the most skilled war-making machine in the world.
It's never going to get around to ground warfare with Europe.
It's going to be a missile annihilation.
It's going to be an obliteration with the Oreshnik and other high-speed.
Yeah, they can't defend against the Oreshniks.
They can't.
They don't have the capability.
Well, it doesn't sound like they can defend against the ground troops either.
Yeah, yeah, but look, if NATO wants to go to war, Putin can't fart around with a conventional war.
And he knows the U.S. is all out of weapons.
They're going to resort to nukes.
I think it's going to be a massive obliteration strike.
I don't see it going into a conventional combat.
That would reinforce the image that Putin wanted to rebuild the Soviet Union, which was absurd from the beginning on its face.
Joaquin, would you agree?
Yeah, I'm pretty nervous that it could very well end up a nuclear war.
Because, you know, obviously, you know, the military, the generals, they know what they got and what their weaknesses are and that they can't compare with the powers of the East.
They just don't have the weapons or the wherewithal or the experience in combat now.
So they know it's a losing proposition and that their only option really is nukes.
I wanted to continue with this latest article because your key point was how Trump has made this big lie about solving all these wars.
Here's some of the quotes you have from Trump on True Social.
I've settled six wars in six months, one of them a possible nuclear disaster.
Despite all of my lightweight and very jealous critics, I'll get it done.
I always do.
Well, in Scotland on July 28th, pounding his peacemaker-in-chief chest, he boasted, I've stopped six wars.
I'm averaging about a war a month.
Also, as of August 15th, Trump's official White House website proudly declares, I've solved six wars in six months.
Joaquin, this is so ridiculous.
And each of those quote wars, he really didn't have anything to do with any of them.
You know, there might have been a few peace negotiating type Americans involved in the process, but for the most part, every single one of those wars, he was not at any table making sure that peace prevailed.
I mean, and it's all backed up.
You know, I got all the sources backing up the reality that it's all made up.
It's like an actor that is dying to get his Oscar and he just keeps having people, you know, even Congressman Matt Goetz, you know, he goes on Fox and he says, well, yeah, if Trump's able to get the nuclear inspectors in there with Iran and the other guys, you know, Israel, then yeah,
he deserves the Nobel Prize.
And, you know, and then they asked Trump that.
And of course, he's going on and on with all these wars that he's prevented because he's the peacemaker.
You know, it's just on and on with the PR bullshit propaganda.
And look at the absurdity of the guy who pulled the U.S. out of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, which was working perfectly at the behest of Netanyahu.
So Netanyahu could revive his big lie of Iran pursuing nukes, which he needed to justify his attack on Iran.
And here you have Trump obliging.
And now Trump wants to go back to an even more draconian agreement with Iran where they can't do any nuclear enrichment.
I mean, it's absurd.
This is just Netanyahu's wet dream.
He's got Trump by the balls.
And Trump is being as obedient as he could be.
Russ.
Well, I guess at least in Trump's fantasy mind that he lives in, being a peacemaker has some appeal.
So I guess you could look at it that way, the glass half full.
No, no, no.
He's just jealous.
Obama got a peace prize.
Trump wants a peace prize.
Right, right, right.
Ultimately, Trump is a very good.
You got to understand the Trump fantasy life, okay?
So that in his fantasy life, he's a peacemaker.
And I don't know.
I guess that's neither good nor bad.
Well, I do think he suffers from grandiose delusions.
He does.
He's definitely delusional.
He's incredibly shallow.
It's how it turns out.
I mean, I thought the guy.
Jim's getting harder on Trump than even me.
It's true, Russ.
The guy is a massive narcissist, but he's also a pop.
He's obedient to Netanyahu, whom he'd even called the greatest man in the world during his last visit.
I mean, what an absurdity is that?
The greatest man in the world, the greatest mass murderer.
He's getting close to being qualified for that.
He's a very bad, nasty guy, repulsive.
Increasingly, the world.
Let's not forget they got the goods on this guy as a pedophile running with Epstein.
So he does what he's told.
Yeah, I, of course, agree with that.
I'm sure Russ does as well.
Of course.
Of course.
I'm just being kind of cute.
Because Lane is being given a treatment at Club Fed down in Texas.
And I've heard they're going to transfer to another more obscure location.
And she'll simply return to Israel and join Jeffrey continuing to blackmail American politicians.
I don't have any doubt about it.
It's going to happen.
Yeah.
And they'll feign another murder, you know.
I don't think they're even going to bother.
They're just going to claim she's at an obscure location they won't reveal, and that'll be the end of it.
No more coverage.
Meanwhile, we have another report, rather interesting.
General Wesley Clark on finishing off Iran.
Here we have, it has become abundantly clear.
This is back, by the way, from June 26th of 2025, but it's highly relevant.
It would become abundantly clear.
The official explanation for the complete and unprecedented destruction of three high-rise towers on 9-11 is absurd, which Osama bin Lad denied any involvement with many times.
The question necessarily becomes that bin Laden was not responsible.
Who was?
The film documentary, Calling Out Bravo 7, made by firefighters and building engineers who argue 9-11 was a planned multiple demolition, should end the argument about the physical nature of the destruction.
It was a demolition, period.
Meaning, of course, no collapse.
Building seven did come down in a classic controlled demolition collapse, all the floors coming down at the same time.
But with one and two, the North and South Tower, externally, they were blowing apart in every direction from the top down.
The floors never moved, waiting their turn to be blown to kingdom come.
In the memorable phrase of Morgan Reynolds, the building were being converted to millions of cubic yards of very fine dust, which, by the way, is a signature of the use of nuclear explosives.
And when it was over, there was nothing there.
Anytime you have a collapse, you have a residue about equal to 12% of the original height.
For the building seven, 47 floors, 12% equaled five and a half.
We had it there.
But as Father Frank Morales reported twice on my shows, that the first responder with the twin towers, they were destroyed to ground level or even slightly below.
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Of course, those of us who have been devoting ourselves to 9-11 realize it was done with a combination of controlled demolition for Building 7 and many nukes.
The buildings were designed as a tube within a tube.
And the initial demolition for the Twin Towers was from the bottom up for the inner tube, and then having the effect of blowing apart the building from the top down for the outer tube.
The only alternatives have been advanced have been nanothermite, which is a really, it's an incendiary.
It's used to fuse railroad ties together or disable military weapons, you know, howitzers with a thermite grenade.
It reaches very high temperatures, like 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit, but it has very limited explosive capabilities in order for an explosion to destroy concrete, for example.
It has to have a detonation velocity at 3,200 meters per second in order to destroy steel, 6,100 meters per second.
Well, guess what?
The highest recorded detonation velocity for nanothermite is only 895 meters per second.
You cannot get there from there.
And while Judy Blood advocates directed energy weapons, and she ought to know better, the design of the Twin Towers was such that it was in effect a gigantic Faraday cage that would not allow electrical impulses to enter, much less destroy.
So Judy Wood had been promoting a hoax.
I, for some time, believe that both architects and engineers and their advocacy of nanothermite and Judy Wood and her directed energy weapons were ruses.
They were intended as stractors limited hang up because neither of them has been willing to talk about who is responsible and why.
And they both had effective explanation for how it was done.
Judy Wood has endlessly claimed we got to figure out how it was done before we could figure out who did it and why, as though we couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time.
Joaquim, your thoughts.
Israel did it.
Neocon, along with a few, what, dual citizenship neocons?
Yeah, that's who did it.
I mean, the evidence is there.
It's very clear.
You know, just chalk one more up on Israel as America's number one enemy.
Russ, your thoughts.
Yeah, a lot of avoiding the elephant in the room, the who did it exactly.
Right.
I don't know about all the theory.
I have different, maybe even different ideas than you, Jim, about how it happened.
But again, it doesn't really matter.
What it matters is who did it and who organized it.
And that's pretty clear.
And incidentally, I'm going to take the I'm going to do October 7th, 2023, the sequel at your conference in December.
Excellent.
Yes, yes, yes.
And yes, but Russ is alluding to my fifth annual Volkswagen Conspiracy Conference, which will be on the 13th and the 14th of December.
You're throwing some of the blank.
I'm going to fill in some of the blanks since the last conference because there's been developments.
Good, good, Russ.
I'm delighted to hear it.
I'll have 20 to 24 speakers, about 10 or 12 a day.
Glorian Fenton is assisting me in producing as she has in past years.
I think it will be once again quite a spectacular event.
Meanwhile, Wesley Clark, way back in 2007, was talking about how 9-11 was going to be used to justify taking out the governments of seven countries, really the modern Arab states that served as a counterbalance to Israel's domination of the entire region and then to confront the Persian nation of Iran.
And with the fall of Syria, they've all but completed that agenda to advance the greater Israel project.
Let's get a catch of Wesley Clark on democracy now back in 2007.
Right after 9-11, about 10 days after 9-11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz.
I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the joint staff who used to work for me.
And one of the generals called me and said, sir, you got to come in.
You got to come in and talk to me a second.
I said, well, you're too busy.
He said, no, no.
He says, we've made the decision.
We're going to war with Iraq.
This was on or about the 20th of September.
I said, we're going to war with Iraq.
Why?
He said, I don't know.
He said, I guess they don't know what else to do.
So I said, well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to Al-Qaeda?
He said, no, no.
He says, there's nothing new that way.
They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.
He said, I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments.
And he said, I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.
So I came back to see him a few weeks later.
And by that time, we were bombing in Afghanistan.
I said, are we still going to war with Iraq?
And he said, oh, it's worse than that.
He said, he reached over on his desk.
He picked up a piece of paper and he said, I just, he said, I just got this down from upstairs, meaning the Secretary of Defense office today.
And he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.
I said, is it classified?
He said, yes, sir.
I said, I said, well, don't show it to me.
I saw him a year or so ago and I said, you remember that?
And he said, sorry, I didn't show you that memo.
I didn't show it to you.
I'm sorry.
What did you say his name was?
I'm not going to give you his name.
So go through the countries again.
Well, starting with Iraq, then Syria and Lebanon, then Libya, then Somalia and Sudan, and then back to Iran.
Yeah, and that's exactly how it went.
That was the agenda.
That was a plan to promote the Greater Israel Project, which for anyone unaware entails taking a chunk of Egypt.
It's from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Whatever happened to Wesley Clark?
He's still around.
He's still around.
Every now and then he appears as a commentator, but just a complete Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, even a chunk of Iraq.
So it's all the way from the Tigris, from the Euphrates to the Nail, which are the Nile, which are the two blue stripes on the Israeli flag.
Anyone who looks at 9-11 and asks who benefits, even that, yeah, who afterwards say 9-11 was good for us until he realized it was politically inappropriate.
Then he added, well, because now America will feel the way we feel when we're constantly under attack, Joaquin.
Well, and then there's the fake bar.
What was that?
In, I don't know, 1999 or 2000 or something like that, where he's like bragging.
And they recorded this and it was on Veterans Today.
And, you know, it's been circulated.
And he's just bragging away about, oh yeah, they will do whatever we want, you know, and, you know, it's just, it's so obvious.
They had everything to gain by 911.
And they're still going because, you know, nobody can stop them.
They have all the power of the world.
So nobody dares to stop them.
I just did an article on that subject, too, saying they've been able to get away with the genocide and all these horrible crimes.
And no one has stepped up to stop them.
That tells you their power structure in this world.
They own it.
And, you know, and they're Satanists.
They are Satanists that are anti-human.
And yeah, their agenda is to get rid of the human population and bring in the AI robotics to replace us.
And that's why they're moving from carbon base, everything zero carbon, and they're moving towards silicon and all those precious metals that they are and minerals that they're going to be digging up.
Russ, any further?
Yeah, even more so, just completely open the way for a takeover of key positions within intel, within security, surveillance, technology.
I mean, 9-11 is the Trojan horse that just opened the gate for a complete takeover of Zog of the country.
Well, look at the Patriot Act for crying out loud.
Like 10,000 pages sitting on the shelf written long in advance.
They use this as the occasion.
And if anyone wanted to have hearings on it, they were threatened.
Remember the Anthrac attack, too?
I mean, this is very nasty, very nasty, plain hard, Paul, to change our United States into something that was more akin to a totalitarian state.
They centralized 35 different agencies into one colossus called Homeland Security.
So instead of having multiple competing agencies and in the intelligence field, that's the best way to discover the truth.
You have multiple competing agencies using different sources, trying to figure out what's going on.
That way you're going to find it out, consolidate into one biomim with one voice so I could control exactly what they wanted to promote.
Just constant cover-ups.
That's what that creates.
Obfuscation.
Absolutely.
Joaquim, don't you agree?
I think this Homeland Security thing is a catastrophe.
It's serious.
Just undo it, recreate the government as it was before 9-11, and we'd be a hell of a lot better off.
Yeah.
And right now they got a Barbie that's in charge of the Homeland Security and Governor Noam.
It's crazy.
What were her qualifications for that?
She's cute.
She's cute.
She's got a nice ass.
Yeah, he's got those girls plugged in now.
You know, he's got that press secretary.
Yeah, I think Carolyn Levin and Pam Bondi both picked because they remind him of Ivanka when she was younger.
I think so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No dowdy types, no dowdy types in the Trump administration.
And you got Katie Johnson reporting that she was sexually abused by Trump when she was 13, and he liked her because when she put on a blonde wig, he said, you look just like my daughter, who's also 13.
I mean, I think we're dealing with a very sick guy here, and we just didn't know that we were blade walking.
I know you have evidence, proof, and spades.
Yeah, yeah, the guy ran with Epstein for over 15 years, and he was very close also to Ghelene Maxwell.
You know, and that's why, yeah, she's going to get off.
She will not end up in prison for 20 years.
We know that.
You know, we're getting slapped in the face over and over and over by Trump and his Zionists.
And, you know, it's like we're going to have to do a rebellion, a major revolutionary kind of revolt against this.
Because obviously they are going for one world government tyranny, you know, and they're using Palantir and all the tech giants against us to gather evidence and then get rid of us.
Yep.
Couldn't agree more.
And of course, we have additional stories.
Here's an interesting one.
What Vladimir Putin allegedly told President Trump about the 2020 election scandal at their meeting.
President Donald Trump dropped an election rock bombshell Monday morning on Truth Social.
The world was waiting for Vladimir Zelensky and some you dorks to show up at the White House.
The states for a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia are high.
Zelensky was instructed to wear a suit like a big boy this time.
It's kind of a formal deal when you get invited to the White House.
So why is Trump going off on mail and ballots and fraudulent vote counting machines in the middle of this?
Because the Ukraine-Russia war and America's fake and stone elections are directly linked.
After the Soviet Union collapsed and was dissolved, the entire purpose of NATO expired.
Russian President Putin made repeated overtures to normalize relations with the U.S. for about 20 years.
Bill Clinton screwed him over.
George W. Bush screwed him over.
Barack Obama screwed him over.
By the time Hillary Clinton ran for president lost by a lot in 2016, she was openly campaigning on starting a proxy war with Russia through Ukraine.
Trump upset the apple cart by winning that race and pursuing the march to war with Russia and putting the march to war with Russia to rest for four years.
That's why the Democrats, the deep state, and the media colluded to steal the 2020 election.
Putin knows this for a fact.
He told Trump the 2020 election was stolen through mail-in ballot fraud during their historic summit in Alaska on Friday.
Putin wasn't just saying that to suck up to President Trump.
He said because the USA has been a bit unreliable when it comes to normalizing relations with Russia.
Put was telling Trump that in order for a lasting peace to be reached in Ukraine, America has to clean up its dirty elections.
Otherwise, Democrats could just steal the 2028 election, be right back in another proxy war.
I think that's right.
Joaquin, your thoughts.
Exactly.
You know, and all this time later, that's why I think that everything is theatrics now, stage theatrics, because we knew at the time of the election in 2020, we knew it was stolen.
It was rigged.
We knew those stuffed ballots.
They were caught.
It was even coming out right afterwards, you know, and along with the voting machines at 4 a.m. when people fell asleep and stopped watching it on TV.
You know, they ended up switching all those votes.
You know, I mean, it's so much evidence.
And yet, you know, deep state's still in control.
I mean, yeah, it's a good thing that Trump is finally getting around to it, you know.
But, you know, even right after the election, he was squawking about it being stolen.
But, you know, it didn't go anywhere.
You know, the courts were all rigged and against it.
And so, yeah, there has been no change.
There's been no change.
We still have the voting machines that are electronic and cheaters.
And then we got the paper ballots still.
So, yeah, it's a good thing if he tries to get rid of it.
But, you know, I don't put anything past our deep state that's still in control.
And Trump is part of the deep state.
Alas, Russ.
Not the only election that got stolen.
By the way 2000 was probably stolen.
It definitely was.
Maybe even 2016.
Maybe even the first Trump term was kind of sketchy in a lot of ways.
So, I mean, oh, no, no, Hillary was a total loser.
People weren't supporting her.
They were fabricating polls, falsely misrepresenting, over-asambling not just Democrats, but women and progressive to make it look they were photoshopping rallies.
She'd be in St. Petersburg.
Maybe 300 people turn out Russ.
He'd be down in Boca Baton with 30,000, and they'd do a photo to make it look like they had equal size audience.
No one gave a shit about her then, nor gives a shit about her now.
She just was still kind of a fairly close election.
Not legitimately.
It wasn't even remote.
No, it wasn't.
It wasn't legit.
And according to their fake records, you know, she won the popular vote.
That was a right, exactly.
Exactly.
But it's all rigged.
Ridiculous.
Just simply ridiculous.
I mean, I still find that a strange election.
She won a popular vote and then somehow lost the key states.
I don't know.
Well, well, Russ, look, you do understand about the Electoral College.
Of course.
Yeah, but the point I'm making is you might have a few very popular states like New York and California all in for the most liberal progressive candidate, but that doesn't alter the number of electoral votes they can cast.
It does affect the popular.
And I think there's great wisdom in having the Electoral College because otherwise all the campaigning, all the focus, all the policy would just concern the most populous states and the smaller states would be left to the side to rot and get no attention whatsoever.
I think the Electoral College is a stroke of genius.
Joaquin, have you an opinion?
No, I totally agree.
That was just another one of their genius moves early on in our country when they came up with that.
And that was part of the original colonies coming up with that too, wasn't it?
I think it was, right?
I believe so, yeah.
Yeah.
So pretty amazing, pretty amazing for them to think like that way back then.
I agree.
In the 2024 election, Republicans cast 35% of the ballots, Independent, 34%, Democrats, only 31.
The Democrats are a fringe third party in the U.S. There's no possible way that Bad Shower Daddy won the 2020 election with an historic 81 million authentic votes.
So Russia knew this because they spy on us very effectively.
They weren't trying to manipulate.
They just wanted to pay attention to what the hell was going on.
That's the reason why President Trump sat on message today that there is a new executive order coming.
Election can never be on us with mail-in ballot voting.
And everybody, in particular, the Democrats know it.
I and the Republican Party will fight like hell to bring honesty and integrity back to our elections.
The mail-in ballot hoax using voting machine completed total disaster must end now.
Now, he's even, it's been reported, issued an executive order to alter, you know, to abolish mail-in balloting, but he doesn't have the constitutional authority.
The Constitution delegates to the states the control of how their voting is conducted.
So exactly how this mess is going to be done is not obvious.
It may be why voting machines are still in use in so many states.
Joaquin, your thoughts?
Yeah, I mean, it is a state right on how they're going to be counting votes.
So yeah, I don't think it's constitutional and it's going to have to be from the bottom up with each state.
You know, but I think probably they'll still be able to do it.
I think whatever they have, they'll probably need about a two-thirds of the states to be in favor, maybe.
And then it can get reversed.
It has to be before the next election.
Or we're going to get another rigged election.
It's every time.
I guarantee it ain't going to happen before the next election.
It's incredible.
I've been as a student of American politics watching this problem evolve and get worse and worse and worse.
And Congress has taken no steps to deal with it.
It's outrageous, Russ.
Well, I mean, it may not matter because I think the Republicans may just get swamped continually in the midterms and in unless they really come up with a great candidate.
But do they keep coming up with Miriam Adelson's choices by then?
They're going to get swamped.
Oh, I think the midterm is going to be a wipeout for Republicans and it's going to kill the Trump agenda.
Even the parts you support, I think, are going to be nullified.
They're going to lose as many as 40 or 50 seats in the House.
They've got to make some big adjustments and they don't look like they're doing it.
We covered it last week.
They had 50 of them head off to Israel, you know, during the break.
It just looks really bad.
You're absolutely right.
I'd love to see third candidates finally get in, you know?
Third party candidates.
I like that idea of a third party.
And it could even build on the Libertarian Party, which already, you know, has access to ballots in all 50 states.
If you had a Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene or a Tulsi Gabbard on the ticket, I think it would get overwhelming support from the American people.
Certainly, in a three-way race, that party would prevail.
Definitely.
I definitely agree, and I hope it works out that way.
That's our best chance.
Because we have a few very good people.
If they could be in positions where they could exercise power and authority to get things done, it would be tremendously beneficial to America.
Meanwhile, the Kremlin called the Trump chefly constructive, but won't commit on the peace talks.
Finland is unimpressed.
Moscow refuses to commit to Putin-Zelensky peace talks, saying a 40-minute call with Trump is only fairly constructive.
As Finland PM questions, if untrustworthy Kremlin despot has a courage needed to act following the U.S.-led war to end Ukraine, bid to end the Ukraine war.
Finland has historically awkward relations with Russia.
They've been very, very bad historically and are antagonistic here in relation to the peace process.
Meanwhile, Trump has said, and I think this is very bad, and I think it's going to be wiped out.
He's willing to support European troops in Ukraine by air as part of a potential security guarantee.
It's ridiculous.
President Trump said he may be willing to provide air support for European troops on the ground in Ukraine at part of a potential security guarantee, an arrangement that would be unacceptable to Russia in the extreme.
When it comes to security, they're willing to put people on the ground, Trump told Fox, referring to European countries.
We are willing to help them with things, especially probably if you talk about by air, because no one has the kind of stuff we have.
Really, they don't, which is silly because Russia has everything better than we have.
The president also assured U.S. troops wouldn't be deployed to Ukraine a day earlier.
He wouldn't rule out the idea of putting American boots on the ground.
Look at that inconsistency.
What's wrong with this guy?
He appears to be really a mental mediocrity, Joachim.
You know, even Jeffrey Epstein told Michael Wolf his biography, biographer, that Trump was a functional illiterate.
And Wolf said, Well, how do you know?
And he said, Well, I was his closest friend for 10 years.
He doesn't read.
He didn't read the society page of the post, but he's really not intellectually qualified to be president.
We got another and the guy's been under so much pressure with the whole Epstein thing.
I really don't think he's functional now.
I really, and he's losing it.
He actually is showing the cognitive decline already now.
I think we're only what, you know, seven months in.
Russ, I've made you a host.
Let's switch over to Winter Watch, my friend.
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Just take it away, my friend.
Okay, you want to read the meme of the day?
Sure.
Let me move the image us out of the way.
We investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing.
How accurate is that?
Russian, you got it exactly right.
The Sopranos.
Yeah, the Sopranos love it.
Go ahead.
We'll start out on the rounded webs with a little humor.
Trump's rants make much more sense when you give him a third grader's voice.
What if a bomb drops on your head right now?
Are they okay?
What if they broke it?
I don't know.
They broke it with Biden because Biden, they didn't respect him.
They didn't respect Obama.
They respect me.
Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me.
He went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and Russia.
Russia, Russia, Russia.
You ever hear of that deal?
That was a phony, that was a phony Hunter Biden, Joe Biden scam.
Hillary Clinton, shifty Adam Schiff.
It was a Democrat scam.
And he had to go through that.
And he did go through it.
And we didn't end up in a war.
And he went through it.
He was accused of all that stuff.
He had nothing to do with.
They came out of Hunter Biden's bathroom.
They came out of Hunter Biden's bedroom.
It was disgusting.
Exactly what he said.
I like that, Ross.
Here he is.
Third grader.
Why would Kim Jong-young insult me by calling me old when I would never call him short and fat?
Oh, well, try so hard to be his friend, and maybe someday that will happen.
You child that you shad right in.
Love it.
Love it.
This is kind of a big story.
This Nevada, this Nevada U.S. attorney Siegel got this scandal.
Tell us we've got this Israeli cyber chief that got picked up in Vegas for soliciting or messing around with young girls.
15-year-old girl, I think.
Right.
Yeah, I wrote an article on it.
And they want to cut.
Well, see, so this gal, this U.S. attorney is involved in his escape, got him out of the country, declined to prosecute him, used loopholes for U.S. attorney job.
She calls all Palestinians terrorists.
She says, I'm Israeli and Jewish, so that's not racist.
Trump made sure he got out back to Israel.
She says, I'm an Israeli.
I know where the bodies are buried.
Sometimes you pick where to bury them.
She's a U.S. attorney.
Building behind me is the United States Attorney's Office for the District of Nevada.
On Tuesday, the interim U.S. attorney resigned, and the Trump administration appointed an acting U.S. attorney.
But get this, it's the same person.
Segal Chada, a Republican attorney who lost a race in 2022 for Attorney General, was named interim U.S. attorney by the Trump administration starting April 1st.
By law, she could only serve 120 days, a term that ended Tuesday.
But the U.S. Attorney's Office confirmed Chad had resigned and was immediately named acting U.S. attorney.
Chada has not been formally nominated for the permanent job, which requires Senate confirmation.
What can you say about the legal maneuver which resulted in you becoming the acting U.S. attorney here?
So, you know, what the politicians call legal maneuvers, and, you know, politicians, politics, and we play by the rule of law.
There was an opportunity under the law.
I took that opportunity.
It's not unconstitutional.
It was not done in a nefarious manner.
And there's nothing that politicians can do about it.
A lot of these people I know that they're scared because I know where a lot of bodies are buried because like I said, I'm Israeli.
I'm Jewish.
You know, without saying too much about my previous experience as a defense attorney, but when you played that side, you know, where all the bodies are buried.
Sometimes you even choose the location to bury them.
I mean, like I said, I'm Israeli.
I'm Jewish.
Chada not revealing what she means specifically.
She insists she received no complaints while on the job as interim U.S. attorney.
Why do you think you're so polarizing?
It's not that I'm a politically polarizing person, is that I know where all the bodies are buried.
That's what scares them.
So this isn't about me being an extremist.
For me, like I said, I'm Israeli.
I'm Jewish.
You sent a text to a former friend about A.G. Ford.
You said he should be, and I quote, hung from an effing crane.
I have to just ask off the top.
I understand it was a private text to a friend, but why would you write that?
Those words?
The bottled water fell.
Bottled water fell.
It's okay.
Is that okay?
We're going to roll.
We'll take care of that.
What a strange woman.
My goodness.
What's your attorney that is so-called rock?
Damn.
Very strange person.
You know, Thomas Massey has it right.
He's trying to put a bill out there to disqualify all dual citizens.
They're obviously not America first.
They're all Israeli first.
She's an Israeli citizen.
Yeah.
And a strange one at that.
Very strange person.
Monstrous.
Okay, we got...
Oh, I don't know if you guys saw this.
Trump directs NATO leaders to painting in the fake Butler assassination attempt.
They're all gathered in there.
Just so they'll be impressed with his heroism.
This is the painting he's got in the White House.
He's actually got a painting in the White House.
Perfect for a lot.
Wow.
Talk about your black magic.
So here they are gathering in this room.
It's not a good day.
It's not a great day.
Kabuki theater.
That was not a great day.
Well, Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock, now the head of the WEF.
Both Trump's assassins were featured in a BlackRock commercial.
let's just play the action is our appeal to what leaders what organization my name is Brian DeLalo I I teach AP and honors economics in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
Financial well-being to me is knowing that Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
Okay, we've got this guy here.
That's one of the assassins.
Yep.
That's two fence.
Right.
Attempted assassination.
Black Rock commercial.
Wood organization.
My name is Brian Delalo.
I teach AP and honors.
This guy, there's the guy that they, you know, that did the grazing of his ear.
Butler, yeah.
Allegedly.
Economics in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
Financial well-being to me is knowing that I can be free to do the things that I love to do.
So, what kind of Freemason fuckery is this?
Freemasonic fuckery.
Yeah.
Deep state.
World Economic Forum.
How does somebody get a picture of this, but the so-called security doesn't see it?
Right, right, right.
There he is.
But then the whole thing was staged.
Yeah.
Israeli pedophile was given control over putting restrictions on Grok.
Bad.
So when Grok started to kind of go too much truth, this is the guy that got in trouble.
Okay.
The guy that got out of the country, the cyber chief under Netanyahu, that got into trouble that this Israeli attorney, whatever you want to call her, the state attorney got out of the country.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You say that you say that the Israeli cyber department keeps shutting you down.
Is this the same department that the Jew in San Francisco in Las Vegas who just got arrested for trying to underage kids ran?
Jake's Shields.
I want an answer.
I think you're becoming a noticer.
The answer is yes.
Yeah, the Israeli drone killing the little girl.
She's just going for some water.
Yeah, this is like a mirror.
This is just like a mirror from last year.
Got a battle for that one.
There she is.
There she is after.
Oh, come on.
You know, I think with so many of those videos of actual deaths going on in Gaza, I think it's desensitizing people to the horror.
I know.
I know.
Some of them are really brutal, though, and particularly when you kind of see them up close and personal, like the Emir, when you can look in his eyes and touch him.
That's very personal when you get those, but somebody off in the distance, yeah, you're exactly right.
This one about estrogen in the water, I think it's important.
I have since this was taking place that they were deliberately reducing testosterone, male ability to get enraged, to take aggression against enemies.
Bad, bad.
Speaking of, during the David Scorpio dog and pony show with Vaca, at the end of it, let me just play this little clip real quick.
Listen to Dave Scorpio.
What a clueless individual he is.
Listen to what he says.
You're clearly an intelligent guy.
You have a talent for doing interviews and communicating.
And so, you know, I think we have to recognize each other's talents.
And, you know, I don't know.
I think Russ needs to just stop talking about me in particular and go about his own business, write his articles, whatever he does, and stop being so obsessed on you because he's fixated on you.
Okay, so that's what he says, clueless Dave.
Here's my articles.
You see any articles here about Victor?
There's dozens and dozens of articles here.
None of them about Victor.
He doesn't understand anything about does this look like I'm obsessing over Victor and my work?
Hell no.
Meanwhile, let's go take a look at Victor's.
I mean, should we even bother?
We already know there's hundreds that he put up 22 videos this month with my name on it.
And fucking Dave Scorpio has the nerve to say, tell me to get back to writing articles.
Scorpio's going to be a colossal disappointment at one point.
I thought he was extremely thoughtful, but he's turned into a half-educated nib wit.
So there's my articles.
What are yours?
What are your articles?
What's your work look like, Victor?
22 art 22 videos on me in the last month.
Probably 40 between on you two guys combined.
And the guy's got the nerve to say, you know, stick with your good work, Victor, and Russ Winter, get back to writing articles.
Fuck you.
I'm okay if you want to talk about the lawsuit to a degree.
Well, yeah, we probably, you know, we really don't talk about this very often, but I would say I saw the this morning, I looked at half the show between Nemos and Vodka.
And just to kind of get everybody up to date, they've created, they're very grandiose.
They have a very high opinion of themselves.
They're very, very overrated, bombastic kind of they think the brilliant guys, brilliant articulate guys are really crawling through the underbelly of the world and uncovering a thing.
And so what they've created is what I call the Jim Fetzer Hydra.
The Jim Fetzer Hydra is where Jim is some kind of a spingali of influence to influence the alt media, determine kind of what happens in the alternative media.
It's just a preposterous theory.
Because as much as I admire Jim, you're not that powerful, Jim.
I got news for you.
You don't have that much influence.
You have some influence, but not that much.
So you can go to that show if you want, if you want.
We don't need to watch it.
People can see it.
Oh, then they got Dean Ryan and me.
We're the enforcers, you know, so we're kind of the guys that go out and do the dirty work.
I'm kind of like the Reinhardt Heydrich of the Fetzer regime.
Fascinating stuff.
This is really weird with the kind of narrative they're trying to create.
They create.
And then for clicks, he's created this new theme called the Rapist and Pedophile Network headed by Jim.
It's just peak deformation.
So once they create this rapist pedophile network theme, then they can run all kinds of defamation on us primarily.
And then he's got dozens of, you know, what Victor doesn't realize is he thinks sort of like a monolithic group.
So when somebody like Paul gets a little bit upset and goes off the wagon, somehow it's us as a committee that created that.
He doesn't realize that there's just dozens of people that hate his guts.
You know, at any moment, somebody's going to go off the rail and say something or get angry or whatever.
You know, it's just, you got 40 angry people.
A couple of them may talk shit about you, Victor.
It can happen.
It's not like Vic, like Jim wrote out an order, passed it on to me and says, why don't you go tell Paul?
Or why don't you, oh, then, oh, then they say that I influenced G-Man to kind of threaten Victor because of friendship.
No, no, it's not because of friendship that G-Man insulted you and threatened you.
It's because he hates your guts, Victor.
Nothing to do with friendship with me.
It's just, you know, preposterous theories like that.
So, you know, so to get everybody up to date, Paul unloaded on one of Victor's sock puppets, Jane Ava Tracy.
And that was three weeks ago.
And Victor's been kind of threatening with the FBI and the police ever since.
So three weeks has gone by, and I'm asking, where are the police?
I don't, I'm not, Paul hasn't said anything about being contacted by anybody.
Could it be because Jane Ava Petracy is a sock puppet, and it's kind of hard for a sock puppet to go to the police and register a complaint.
And so I'm issuing the Jane Ava Tracy challenge.
Okay, so Jane Ava Tracy has been around as long as I can remember.
She makes daily comments.
She's really hardcore.
She's really nasty.
She sounds like Victor.
She's never been on his show.
He puts everybody on his show.
Where's Jane?
She makes daily comments.
So show yourself as a real person.
You know, a driver's license with your photo on it.
Sure, cover up your address.
That's no problem.
Show us your real person.
Put your face on the screen in one of Victor's interviews and show your ID or your passport with a photo and show who you are.
You know, it's just a biometric card or whatever.
It's just a big Vaca con.
Yeah, you can't do it if it's just Victor himself with a female persona, and that seems unfit.
I think he's gotten caught on this Tracy thing because he made such a big deal of it with Paul and developing the rape culture narrative out of it.
And he's never produced her.
And the dimwits that followed Victor haven't figured that out.
You know, where is Jane?
Why do you hide her?
Is she like the crazy ann in the attic?
So then I wrap it up for this week.
You know, ultimately, I'm saying, despite the grandiosa, Vaca is basically a schizoid defamer and slanderer.
That's all he is.
That's his only function.
So I wrote a letter, I got an email to Jeff Berwick.
Let me give it back to you, Russ.
So you can show us the letter, whatever.
Go back, go right ahead.
I've given you back host.
Okay, first of all, this kind of relates to this.
So here you have Victor's famous everybody's got herpes.
Russ winter claims that granddaughter has herpes and tells Jim Fetzer audience everybody has herpes.
That's supposed to be my granddaughter.
Stated as a fact.
You know, for some reason, he puts some little kid with a rash.
And so I wrote Jeff Berwick, who I think is a total clown.
He's never, he didn't respond.
I said, listen to this recent public video.
This video comes up after the filings.
So since the filing of the lawsuit, he's actually escalated some of this stuff.
yeah he keeps recycling if you want to buy a boat i can save you thousands or tens of thousands of dollars I know that's a big steroids.
Yeah.
And then I walk down.
No, no, they hate each other.
Trust me.
It's a formality.
So to give somebody, this is Charlie Carter, who's an alcoholic that Victor took advantage of, kind of plied in.
He would get it.
Charlie would show up drunk and do these shows, basically, defamation shows, where he would start accusing people of being pedophiles or giving herpes to the grandkids.
And listen to Victor just feed into it.
So I'm sending this to Berwick, and I'm asking the question: is this the kind of guy you want to associate with?
I mean, where do you find guys like this outside of medical institutions and prisons?
And you invited him as a guest inspirational speaker to your conference on September the 4th in Serbia, really?
Because you're 90.
Holy shit, didn't realize the herpes still hit after retirement.
This is 15-year-olds.
So then I wrote, Russ Winter is so demented.
He speaks about his last herpes outbreak as if it's normal.
Imagine him meeting people and talking about his herpes outbreak and how repulsed people get listening to him laugh about it the way he did in the video that will live on way after he's six feet under, giving the maggots herpes.
Keep going, keep going, keep going.
Russ is a keyboard Rocky.
There's no courage.
I wouldn't be shocked if he was lying about herpes just so people thought he was out there.
Dude's a nerd.
So he's reading his alcoholics comments on his show.
Charlie, of course, has repudiated Victor.
He realized Victor was abusive and using him for illicit purposes.
Right.
But Victor saved his old videos.
He's bringing him back and resurrecting him, even though Charlie's repudiated him.
Charlie didn't give him permission to run this.
He saved us.
He saved us from before when drunk Charlie showed up on his shows and started drinking.
And you can hear him slurring.
You can hear Charlie's just out of it.
And Charlie even told me, says, God, I can't believe I did this.
I said, he's definitely not lying having herpes.
He's proud of it.
He's a sick fuck.
I mean, who's proud of having herpes?
I've never met anybody who publicly is like proud of it.
And I'm not making this up.
This isn't slandered.
There's a video out there.
And everybody was shocked when he said it on the show.
And then I've heard the stats.
I was in the Navy.
We slept around a lot.
I only know one guy, and it happened when his girlfriend went off on a cruise and came back.
And I was like, dude.
Anyway, yeah, no, it's just you have a shitty immune system, or you just sleep with women that whatever.
God gave it to you.
Rush, you got more.
We'll stay with you.
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Go right ahead, Russ.
Pick it up.
Okay, so then I continue on with Mr. Berwick.
And the problem with Vitt Vaca is he sadistically smears people in this manner constantly and continually.
So the evidence in the link.
I'm curious if you knew that.
This is two days ago.
I sent him this email and haven't heard back.
The point of this suit, so everybody's clear on it, is that I actually, in this particular video that he ran the other day, after the suit was filed, I filed a flag.
I flagged it for removal.
And the bot at BitShoot in this case came back and did not deny my request.
So this particular piece that he wrote or that he did with Charlie Carter was allowed to stand.
It's still up today.
We're watching it today.
And this has happened hundreds and hundreds of times.
That's what this suit's about.
Nothing else.
Nothing else really matters.
Here's the event.
Here's the event where they're going to be featuring the Liber Pook Coco 2025 discount coupon.
She told me.
Maverick artist Victor Hugo list of speakers, which is Jeff Berwick.
And in 30 seconds time, she said.
So these people are full-fledged supporters of Victor Hugo and really don't care that he's a slanderer and a defamer.
Max Egan.
And I don't know what Garth Ike knows about him.
They're not vetting this guy at all.
They're not vetting him at all.
I don't know how culpable these different people are that are appearing.
They probably don't know, but certainly Jeff Berwick should know.
In the comments, my take is that, you know, idiot Vaca is a smooth talker, and they probably don't have the time to do the backtrack on really what he's about.
So I don't think they even know that he's doing what he does.
Wouldn't you think you'd look at somebody's work?
You know, click on the site and kind of look at the videos that are there, which are just mostly defamation videos.
I would at least, you know, if a new person comes in, I would definitely do a little bit of a search on the person, but who knows?
Well, if you review our statement, our statements of claims, I think you'll find there's a sprawling network that relates all these parties in the background and more to elaborate schemes to bamboozle the American people.
And my impression is Jeff Berwick is a part of it.
So I don't think he's naive.
I think he's not responding because he and Victor are colleagues.
I call them co-conspirators.
My impression.
We'll see.
I think what's going to happen, you know, there are numerous defamations going on against many people.
He's defamed dozens of people.
Yes.
And there could be a pile on.
I'm kind of pushing for a class action.
I think I would like to get about 20 or 30 people on board for a class action suit.
Yeah.
We can have multiple suits.
We don't just have to have yours.
If they think it's just your suit, you know, we could come at them in all kinds of directions.
I'm a flat one because I'm very big on defending family honor.
I don't like the idea of my 21-month-old granddaughter having her privacy violated in any way.
I mean, I have a last name, Winter, you know, so it's not that hard to figure out who my granddaughter is.
Why should she be subjected to this?
So I'm kind of very litigious.
So I'm putting out a warning to all the clapping seals that go on Vaca's show.
You better be careful what you say because I will defend my family honor.
And I'm getting pretty litigious right now.
And I'll come after you on this kind of stuff.
Family honor.
I don't care what other crap you put out there, what other opinions you have, even if they're kind of, you know, crazy shit.
I mean, Dustin Nemos claims that you have a problem with him because he defeated you in a debate, some obscure debate that you guys had on air.
They kind of make all kinds of claims like that.
So it's just like that's it's a fair warning.
Any clapping seals that go on Victor's shoes shows are entering a landmine.
And you'll notice that people are getting arrested after they go on his shows as it is.
And he's setting you up for a situation where somebody like me will be monitoring you and spotting what you're saying.
And any kind of any kind of family honor stuff.
You know, I'm not Italian, but think of me that way.
Do you know if Enos was on his show?
Yes.
He was?
Wow.
Yes.
That's the second one that I know about now.
And by the way, I'm looking for winnable cases, not lawfare.
So if I make this kind of claim to come after people, I'm looking for cases I can win.
And I have an advisor.
I have a family member who's a litigation attorney that we're analyzing this stuff.
We're looking for the right case to bring against these clapping seals.
Excellent.
Excellent.
Russ, I'm all for it.
And of course, it'll even pick up on our conversation today and try to make something of it.
I'm convinced.
You know, I would hope that the people that go into his lair, the people that go into his lair need to be aware.
I mean, I've noticed, for instance, I haven't seen Last Dutchman for three weeks.
What happened to him?
Where'd he go?
Charles Griffin, the guy who did your debate with you, Jim.
He's abandoned Vaca.
Well, the Nemo's thing was, I think, flat earth and evolution and that sort of thing.
Right.
Can find it and judge for themselves.
I knew he'd be a fanatical and Brazilian position.
It wouldn't be a bona fide debate.
So it was like two separate lectures taking place that were interspersed.
And I think it had a useful effect.
It's silly for him to think he defeated me.
I would suggest many have concluded the opposite, but it was more important merely as an opportunity for an intellectual exchange on highly diverse positions, roughly religion versus science.
Right.
Yeah, I remember it wasn't bad.
I mean, I think his point of view is kind of ridiculous, but everybody's got an opinion.
There's enough, there are as many opinions as there are assholes.
So, and that includes all of us.
Except opinions are not all of equal worth.
Right.
And, you know.
So don't get into the landmine with Victor.
I mean, be tread carefully because he'll lure you into a show and bait you into saying something that you might regret.
Because right now, we're in a litigious situation.
The courts are involved.
We're getting pretty aggressive on this.
You may, you know, your case may get thrown into arbitration.
And if that's the case, we're probably just considered a dry run and come back at him again with people that aren't subjected to these terms of service.
See, they have these terms of service for people that use the platform.
Okay.
My 21-month-old granddaughter doesn't use the platform.
She's not subjected to your terms of service.
There are a number of people that have been damaged by Victor that are not used platform users.
Yes.
You caught that argument when I pointed that out to you when you were kind of writing your appeal to the judge, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, that's all about jurisdiction.
We're, you know, the judge wanted more on jurisdiction, so I'm providing it.
And I'm happy with what I submitted about Rumble, and I'm going to submit an improved version on BitChute tomorrow about justification.
But it's why Rumble and BitChute have violated their own terms of service and that they have broken the contract, that it's no longer binding.
Yeah, I didn't finish what Victor had to say.
It gets even worse.
And I'm kind of going to spare people because, you know, it really is foul to listen to this psychotic schizoid type of behavior.
And that was my challenge to Jared Berwick.
Is this who you want to be associated with?
And apparently the answer is yes.
Yeah.
Apparently, the answer is yes.
We're fine with being associated with a slanderer and defamer who runs around calling everybody a pedophile that gets you know gets in his way or kind of pushes back against him.
That's the that's the current trend.
So you've got to be litigious.
You know, this is this is what this is about.
Bit shoot turned down my flag.
It was answered by a bot, the same bot named Jeff.
We're going to have to do a discovery and ask Jeff to be, we're going to have to bring Jeff in and explain how he works.
Tell us the process.
Well, it's certainly reaching a crescendo because Victor's now talking about the lawsuit in many contexts and making a lot of false claims, by the way, which is, of course, his he ignores defamation.
He ignores defamation like it's not occurring.
That's the main thing he does.
Well, he's a consummate liar.
That's his distinctive trait.
And he will take bits and pieces and exaggerate them beyond belief.
So he's really a master at the classic fallacy known as the straw man.
You'll take a position and exaggerate way out of shape in order to make it easier to attack.
And people will say, like Wikipedia gutted a very substantial entry I had that was very accurate about my research on JFK 911, Wellstone, Sandy Hook, and the like.
After I organized and participated in a conference in 2014 on the University of Illinois campus about academic freedom, are there limits to inquiry using JFK 9-11 and the Holocaust as examples?
And a wiki editor in Australia gutted, gutted my entry.
And now what you have is kind of a reconstruction, and parts of it are more or less accurate.
But they have a big monster sentence right in the opening paragraph about something like, I don't believe there was a Flight 93.
I mean, it's something ridiculous when I've explained that Flight 93 was still in the air after it had ostensibly crashed in Shanksville, and that it wasn't actually even taken out of service until 28 September 2005, according to the FAA.
So, you know, they just want to have a whopper in there to make people think, oh, this guy, why bother?
Right?
And that is more or less Victor's role across the board.
It's a massive smear.
So even if my Sandy Hook case here in Madison and Dayton County is reversed, and the reason that thinks it just might be, people won't pay attention because Victor has already assassinated my character, which is his area of specialization.
He's even known in the community as the angel of death for his ability to destroy a person's reputation.
It may have taken him a lifetime to build.
He's setting up landmines for people to come on his shows.
You know, beware.
People are going to jail after appearing with him.
He knows so there's something off there, too.
So you're going to get yourself in trouble if you go on these shows with him or you go to events with him in Serbia, this Liber Polco or whatever, and interact with him.
And inevitably, people peel away from him.
Curtis did.
Curtis and his partner Charlie completely disowned him and is attacking him now.
That's a very common pattern with Victor, and he'll throw you under the bus when that happens.
It's about defamation and slander and all this stuff about some grand theory of Jim Fetzer being the spingali that controls the alternative media.
Laughable.
Love it.
I love it.
I love it.
Joaquim, your thoughts.
Well, we know that, you know, the deep state is all about divide and rule, divide and rule.
And so they send these creeps out there to do exactly what Victor is doing, which is dividing the alt news community and doing it in a reckless, defamatory way that's going to come back and bite them in the ass.
I hope.
I don't have that much faith, though, in our legal system.
That is a problem.
And look at the, you know, the platforms.
They're all, you know, just whatever you want can put on there.
Yeah, the platforms are right now.
I don't feel bad about hitting these platforms at all.
Some people are saying, well, you're going to put them out of business.
Let's address putting these guys out of business.
Yeah, if we want a major lawsuit and judgment, yeah, it might put the current investors out of business.
It might go into bankruptcy, but they got a franchise and they would just bring in decent people.
Russ at the max.
30 mil, that's a drop in the bucket.
These are billion-dollar operations with all of them.
I don't think they're that big, are they?
They're big.
I am certain they are big.
I'd like Joaquin's estimate, but they're big.
We're not going to win 30 million.
We're not going to win a $30 million judgment, but let's just say we didn't, you know, we won a substantial judgment.
They're not going to disappear.
That's my point.
Somebody's going to take them over.
Oh, of course.
Of course.
So again, I say he makes an exaggerated version.
Shut down, shut him down.
We're going to shut them down.
Well, we might.
I'm not trying to shut him down.
I'm trying to cut off defamation, harassment, elder abuse, cyber stalking, outrageous claims about you and Joachim and everyone else under the sun.
It's just disgusting what he's been doing.
It's only lawful, I mean, unlawful violations of freedom of speech that are at stake here.
Not legitimate.
I have no interest in shutting down Rumble or BitChute.
My own videos appear there.
It's only misconduct and abuse of the platforms that's at stake.
But of course, you can't admit that without acknowledging that he's doing things that other people aren't doing that are highly questionable and appear to be on their face illegal.
Joaquim, your thoughts.
Well, you know, the controllers definitely want people to be confused and not know what to believe, you know, to always be wondering, is this one right?
Is this one?
And then be lost.
You know, that's exactly what they want.
So I think he's a stooge that's been placed in this arena to divide and rule the alt news community.
I think it's pretty obvious.
And he's very good at what he does.
He's actually hired.
My Sandy Oak friends told me that Sandy Oak Promise, which is still raking in a million bucks a month off of the scam, hired Victor to hit me because they're worried that my lawsuit's going to be reversed and the gravy train might be cut off.
So when they're making a million a month, they can hire the guy at what, $100 a pop for his videos or even $1,000.
Victor's claiming that you said that Sandy Hook is paying him a million dollars.
So that's the kind of, that's how he rolls.
He'll just take a million dollars.
The CSA just exaggerates everything.
I mean, he must be an expert on Dimwitz, you know, how Dimwits process information.
I don't know how he did it.
He's an expert in propaganda and deceit and deception.
He's a master, absolutely a master, which is why they hired him.
They even told me right off the bat he was known as the angel of death for his ability to destroy people's.
He just keeps repeating the 86-year-old, 86-year-old claim.
And I've never seen.
He's saying, we keep saying he's in Miami.
We've known, I've known he's in Bentumi for months, five months.
I think at one time I speculated he was in Brooklyn.
I've known he's in Bentumi.
This is another of his techniques.
He'll take something very obscure and incidental.
I was looking at a rap sheet with him and his father's name on it.
When I made it to the 85, that's where the 85 came over.
It was the age of his father.
But you'll take right, he misspoke or speculation about where he might be, whether he could be in Miami, where he was being called out by the New Times back in 2008 for hanging.
The thing I've learned, the thing I've learned in this process is we are not a monolithic group.
It's not like we're an intelligence agency where we're all under some command.
There's different people with different opinions.
People throwing shit out all the time.
Sure.
Different people say something.
Oh, well, he's in Miami or whatever, or he's using a green screen.
I think Dean maybe put that out there.
I'm emphasizing this is another example of what he does.
He'll take bigs of beats and exaggerate them beyond belief to create an aura of stupidity or incredibility.
One person that just said something weird in our group of people, like we're a monolithic group that think all the same and then run with it.
That's exactly what he does.
It's a really dishonest, it's a very dishonest technique.
And Pete, and you know, critical people, critical thinkers need to process this a lot better.
You're really a dumb shit if you fall in for this.
Yes.
Well, he's made it his specializations.
He's got, I don't know, about 750 videos up now today and being paid by the piece.
He was getting, you know, if he were getting a thousand a piece, that'd be 750,000.
They told me he was being paid big box, but maybe not that much.
I don't know.
100, then he's 75,000 rather than to show that we're not a monolithic group.
I kind of disagree with that, you know, but everybody's got an outlook on this.
We're not monolithic, Victor.
You can't just say, take something one of us says and proclaim the whole group or a bunch of morons because he likes to call us morons.
I think you've really underestimated.
Victor, I think you've really underestimated us and overestated yourself.
Grossly overestimated yourself.
Joaquina, a few observations of yours.
But he uses the straw man argument all the time.
He attacks the person rather than the content of what the problem is.
Yeah, that's how he does it.
You know, these two of his most common fallacies ad hominem, personal attacks, and then the straw man.
And then, you know, he's used directly.
He took emails that I might have written to him and then he puts them on the public air.
You know, he's constantly doing that too.
Takes things out of context.
He's very schooled in what he does, but he's highly disciplined.
He's a pro.
There's no doubt about it.
A professional character assassin.
See, the problem is problem is that over this period of time, we have other things to do, despite what David Scorpio said.
I'm writing articles and putting up articles and running my sites.
I'm not focused on Victor.
So that's been a problem.
I'm not either.
I wrote three articles this week and I have three programs.
He just overwhelms us because he overwhelms us with all these clapping seals he brings on and guests and the David Scorpios of the world showing up and doing his shit finding a real idiot to kind of come on board, a real clapping seal.
And then we're just overwhelmed.
We don't counter that much.
Right.
This is about the longest conversation we've had about Victor.
It is actually for quite a while.
But because there's a suit going on, you know, it's in the news.
Yeah.
Scorpio turns out to be a useful idiot.
He's ignorant.
Don't actually know what's going on, yet he puts himself out there.
He starts making stupid comments.
I found it very embarrassing.
This is a guy I used to think was a good guy.
I did shows with Scorpio in the past where I thought he was commendable, thoughtful, discerning.
Today, wow, what a disappointment!
And I'm putting, you know, the Skype message that he's referring to me on, I am perfectly willing to put them on the air to show what really happened because you talk about lying by omission.
There were two shows he was on.
The first one were very polite, sort of saying, you know who this guy is you're dealing with?
Have you seen some of his work?
Scorpio asked me some questions.
He was polite.
It was a polite conversation.
Ended, and I went my way.
And then he did a second show.
And the second show, Scorpio looked out of it.
He's just like, he had this blank stare on his face.
And I go, wow, what happened to him?
It was a bad show.
And so I confronted him, and Scorpio didn't appreciate it.
We got into tisticuffs, both told each other to fuck off.
And that was the end of that.
That's what happened with that.
And yeah, clearly, at the back end of that second round of conversations, it got nasty between the two of us.
That's the truth of that incident.
That's not how Dave Scorpio presented it.
Joaquim, final thoughts about all the above?
Well, I'm going to keep doing what I do, which is look at what's going on and put it out there.
And, you know, I'm an adherent of the truth.
That's what motivates me.
And we really need to learn what's going on.
You know, and so, yeah, I don't have time to even get into the nitty-gritty of what this guy's doing because there's much more bigger fish to fry out there.
Well, those who want to follow developments, if they go to my blog and see the press release about the filing of the lawsuits, I update it with additional filings, such as amended statements of claims that are there for both BitChute and Rumble.
And now addressing the jurisdiction issue, you'll find it right there on my blog.
It ain't going away anytime soon.
Thank you, gentlemen, for today.
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