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The Raw Deal (21 February 2025) w co-host Brian Davidson and special guest Timothy Spearman

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	Not just anybody You know I need someone Well,
	this is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal right here on Revolution Radio, Studio B. This 21st day of February, 2025, with co-host Brian Davidson and my special featured guest, Timothy Spearman, with whom I have so many overlapping interests, I feel we ought to be best friends.
	In any case, we're going to begin with some of the latest news developments, where Timothy is going to be welcome to add his thoughts.
	Trump has slammed dictator Zelensky for having started the war with Russia.
	This is, of course, a significant remark.
	President Trump on February 19 launched an unprecedented criticism of his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, branding him a dictator without elections and stating he was very disappointed.
	With his failure to resolve the ongoing war with Russia.
	You have been there for three years.
	You should have ended it.
	You should have never started it.
	He stated of the conflict, marking an unprecedented endorsement by a Western head of state of the narrative that Kiev, rather than Moscow, was to blame for the initiation of hostilities.
	Frankly, I think that...
	Victoria Newland in the West bear as much responsibility as any for what's happened here.
	Brian, your thoughts?
	Well, I doubt that it was Zelensky that started the war.
	I think it was that Zelensky was just simply the puppet in the front of the war that was led by Western-backed military-industrial complex warmongers.
	But I think it was set up a long time ago, and when they, the violations of the Minsk Agreement, Trump is correct about that.
	What we did was we, they were supposed to implement constitutional reform.
	They did not.
	Ukraine was supposed to implement constitutional reform.
	They were supposed to cut their military operations in Donbass, and they just kept going.
	And there were...
	Other issues about the border that were supposed to be settled with Russia in the Minsk agreements that they just simply ignored.
	Zelensky was installed to start a war.
	The war began.
	The war is ending.
	Trump is doing his best to end it at this particular point in time.
	And it looks like Trump is just simply going to take Russia's side if we can work out a deal with Russia to divide up what's left of Ukraine, including the mineral rights.
	But, of course, Russia has been in the right from the beginning.
	I mean, once the coup had occurred in 2014, deposing the Russian-friendly president, installing a Western puppet, of whom Zelensky is the successor, Kiev, began artillery attacks on the Donbass, which is,
	of course, populated with ethnic Russians, Russian speakers, Russian-friendly population by The time of the initiation of the Special Military Operation 8 killed around 2,000 in the Donbass and were planning a massive onslaught that would have brought about a genocide in the Donbass parallel to that in Gaza being carried out by the Israelis.
	So I feel, since Victoria Nulet was instrumental in bringing that coup about, that we really bear the primary responsibility for initiating the war even greater than Zelensky.
	Timothy, do you have thoughts you'd like to share here?
	Yes, I think that there's some interference by the Khazarian Mafia and this whole And that Zelensky was installed as part of that connection,
	and Israel has a greater Israel policy, and greater Israel North is apparently in the offing with the Ukraine.
	And there are some research papers that I've read that suggest that the Ukraine, Was ancient Khazaria and that they are reclaiming territory that they feel is theirs.
	And Israel, whether people realize it or not, is 80% Khazarian by population.
	So there is some...
	element of Zionist interference in this whole operation and Zionism being the predominant influence in the Western angle in this whole conflict.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I agree with all of that.
	But, of course, Russia has been prevailing.
	Russia now occupies some 20% of Ukrainian territory.
	Russia is not about to give it up.
	I was very heartened that Trump had an hour-and-a-half conversation with Putin of late, which I believe laid the foundation for now the meetings that have taken place in Rihad, Saudi Arabia, between Marco Rubio and the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov, who's the most experienced diplomat in the world.
	I have no doubt this is going to be settled on Russian terms because they have no reason.
	To give up any of their objectives at this point in time.
	Putin declared that Russia is prepared to return to the table to end the Ukrainian war.
	I think they've gone far beyond that, and they actually have an outline of what's going to happen.
	Here's a report from Breitbart.
	Russian President Vladimir Putin celebrated the talks between U.S. and Russian officials in Saudi Arabia.
	He said the Kremlin was prepared to engage in bringing the war in Ukraine to an end.
	Quite an inner fax on Wednesday.
	Putin lauded the first round of talks between U.S. and Russia before saying Moscow is willing to engage with Kiev in the war in Ukraine.
	Yes, I have been informed.
	I rate them highly.
	There are results.
	In my opinion, we made the first step to restore work in various areas of mutual interest.
	Tuesday, Secretary of State Rubio met with Foreign Minister Lavrov.
	Rubio said the two sides agreed to normalize diplomatic relations and work to end the war in Ukraine.
	That's already a...
	Huge step in the right direction because Biden admin basically had no communication with Russia whatsoever.
	Brian, your thoughts?
	Well, Russia's going to do everything they can.
	Of course, it's Lavrov, so he's going to do everything he possibly can to negotiate the best arrangement possible for Russia.
	Right now, I think Russia's upset about the $300 million that were basically seized by Western forces.
	And there are sanctions that are currently in place that have been applied by Western nations that are hurting Russia quite a bit.
	Russia wants Ukraine to recognize the annexations and they want to basically fully abandon all NATO aspirations, which I think was part of the Western encroachment on the Russian southern border, the Western-led encroachment on the NATO southern border.
	And then, of course, Russia is going to want to see territorial concessions.
	Especially in the Donetsk region.
	Whether or not they can get all those concessions remains to be seen.
	Remember, we've spent a lot of American money over there fighting this war for them.
	I imagine that Lindsey Graham and all the rest of the warmongers in D.C. intend to get a portion of their money back.
	And I think Ukraine right now is acting like, what do you mean we owe you $300 billion as an example?
	And Western forces are like, why do you think we invested in this?
	You know, we invested in this to get, there's mineral rights, there's farming rights, there's great land over there.
	And will it end up in the hands of Israel?
	Will it end up in the hands of the new Ukraine or Russia or Western?
	I think that's all going to be part of the negotiations and the settlement agreements if they can come up with one.
	But Russia's going to play hardball.
	Yes, yes, and Russia holds all the cards.
	They have defeated.
	Ukraine, to the extent of over a million Ukrainian troops, interestingly, mostly Christian.
	And there's no prospect whatsoever of Ukraine being able to cope with further advances by Russia.
	So Putin's terms, I think, are going to prevail, keeping all the territories, Crimea, the Donbass, and a couple other oblasts, that they now occupy some 20%.
	No prospect of Ukraine joining NATO whatsoever, which was a blunder Biden made way back when in suggesting it was even a possibility, knowing Russia would be adamantly opposed.
	And of course, in addition, and these are trickier, the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine.
	But I don't see any way in which Russia doesn't control the outcome because they can simply...
	Absent any agreement to their liking, continue the war and take the whole of Ukraine.
	Timothy, your further thoughts?
	Yeah, I do think that, as I said before, Israel has ambitions to seize the territory of the Ukraine, and I do think that genocide is their intention.
	They want to...
	They have tried to commit genocide historically on the region in the past during the Soviet era.
	And I think that this is their ultimate goal.
	And they will probably do exactly what they've done in Gaza, which is move in their own population slowly but surely.
	Until they've appropriated the land and territory of the Ukraine.
	Well, Timothy, well, I agree that was an original plan to make Ukraine the new Israel.
	There's no prospect of that happening now, it seems to me.
	It's been decisively defeated.
	Meanwhile, we have Britain and France somehow clinging to the myth that Ukraine could defeat Russia.
	They have plans for a reassurance force to protect Ukraine, but Russia has already declared they're not going to allow Western troops in Ukraine under any circumstances.
	Zelensky was calling for a 200,000-man force come in from Europe and suggesting Europe need to organize its own armed forces as though NATO did not already exist and had not already been defeated.
	It's absurd what's going on here, these lingering thoughts about sending additional forces.
	And they're talking about it seemingly seriously, but in a state of complete detachment from reality.
	Brian, your thoughts?
	Well, I think that Zelensky is going to have a big problem right now.
	Donald Trump says his polling numbers are close to 4%.
	But the internal polls that are coming out of Ukraine that are run by the mainstream media show him polling over 50 percent.
	But I imagine it's very, very low since the economy has been fundamentally destroyed.
	I just don't think Ukraine has anything left to negotiate with other than just trying to determine who's going to get what's left over.
	Now, the big question is...
	Will Western forces negotiate to install a quote-unquote democracy or a new regime?
	Will Russia demand that that's part of the job, and how will they do it?
	Will Russia have a say over who the new leadership's going to be?
	All these things are going to be very important, and of course, it's my contention that a lot of this is run by Pilgrims Society, Pilgrims Institute, British forces, anyway, behind the scenes.
	I think a lot of even people like...
	Newland and many of the top-level politicians in America that are really pulling the string are really controlled by British interests in the beginning.
	First part of the problem is Zelensky's no longer the legitimate president.
	His term in office expired in May.
	They need to have new election.
	Trump has been calling for new elections.
	I mean, who could sign on behalf of Ukraine?
	It can't be a fake president.
	I think the situation is totally lopsided.
	Ukraine's Alinsky grasping after straws.
	They've already milked America for so many billions upon billions of dollars.
	And in fact, they've taken a lot of the military equipment sent by the Russians and sold it off to, guess who, the cartels in Mexico.
	Well, we're likely to have our hands full trying to put them down.
	They are battle-hardened.
	They're very tough.
	They're well-equipped.
	We'll return to that momentarily.
	But, Timothy, do you see any prospect for Zelensky surviving?
	No.
	I think that there's an agenda to have him ousted.
	On both sides, and even internally within the Ukraine itself.
	So I think his days are numbered.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	I think that they are indeed going to be short-lived.
	Meanwhile, we have...
	The United Arab Emirates telling Rubio rejects the idea of displacing the Palestinians.
	Trump's enthusiasm for the war in Gaza has just dumbfounded me.
	Hamas has offered to release the remaining Israeli hostages in exchange for a permanent ceasefire, but Netanyahu doesn't want one.
	Indeed, there's a fascinating report coming from Ben Swan, and also featured by Jimmy Dore, of Netanyahu having orchestrated the events of October 7th.
	I think that's 100% correct.
	Let's listen to a bit of...
	Eight months into Israel's bombardment of Gaza, there appears to be still no end in sight.
	We've been taking a look at what happened on October 7th during the Hamas terror attacks.
	And part of looking at that day requires some uncomfortable realities.
	Here's one.
	During the October 7th attacks, what did the Israeli military do?
	Well, strangely enough, for hours, nothing.
	I'm investigative journalist Ben Swan and this is Reckoning Israel and Gaza.
	Before we dive into the evidence that suggests there was some type of military stand down order on October 7th, it's important to remember that Israel is just slightly bigger than the size of the state of New Jersey.
	But for some reason, once the Hamas attacks began, the time it took the Israeli army and rescue teams to arrive, Fight and rescue Israelis at the different kibbutz communities and sites being attacked?
	Well, that ranged anywhere from four hours to more than 20 hours.
	Even the New York Times has reported, quote, thousands of soldiers were less than 40 minutes from the towns that were under attack.
	So why did it take so long for help to arrive?
	For example, Kibbutz Bieri was under siege by Palestinian militants beginning around 6 a.m.
	That was the morning of October 7th.
	A video that Israeli media obtained from an army helicopter corroborated by Israeli survivors proves that there were more than 500 Israeli soldiers directly outside of the kibbutz entrance, fully armed, with Humvees and tanks, but not until 4.30 in the afternoon.
	That's 10 hours after the attack began.
	It took 10 hours for those soldiers to show up, but...
	It gets stranger, because the first rescue mission wasn't actually underway at Kibbutz Bereri, again, according to Israeli media, until almost 7 p.m.
	That's 13 hours after the attack began.
	Atzeval, a survivor of the Bereri attack, described to Haaretz, quote, 500 soldiers stood outside with equipment and vehicles.
	I remember yelling at them, we're being slaughtered, come in, save us.
	And no one said anything.
	So why?
	In our last episode, we discussed the Nova Music Festival.
	We showed you that the party was approved last minute, despite multiple warnings of a violent incursion from Gaza.
	And we've discussed how days before the festival, two entire brigades of soldiers were taken away from the area of the Gaza border and then sent to the West Bank.
	And you might think that immediately upon receiving information of a devastating attack on partygoers, military authorities would alert units to immediately exit their bases, race to the site of the conflict, and go on the counterattack, right?
	But that's not what happened.
	Peretz reported, quote, at 7 a.m., the party organizer called Lieutenant Colonel Elad Zandani, the man tasked with approving the festival, and told him that terrorists were shooting the partygoers.
	He suggested that they fend for themselves.
	The first IDF forces arrived at the party scene at 3 p.m.
	Let me just say, this is very good, but the day of October 7th.
	We had IDF, former IDF, saying something's totally wrong here, that there's no possible way Hamas could have breached the very secure fence line, that they know if a bird lands on the fence and craps on it.
	I mean, it's ridiculous.
	They knew exactly.
	Where Netanyahu has been manipulating the whole situation, does not want there to be a Palestinian state, has been extremely clever in supporting Hamas.
	That's part of Ben Swan's report, too, that he supported and funded Hamas to be an alternative to the Palestinian Authority, which was holding sway in the West Bank to create divisions among the Palestinians so they wouldn't have a unified position on any issue.
	Brian, your thoughts?
	The Nova Music Festival reminds me very much of the Las Vegas shooting.
	Here we have another music festival.
	At the Nova Music Festival, 6, 7, 8 a.m., of course, the partygoers are still dancing around.
	You've got to remember, all Israeli young people go through the military anyway, so they're all already military guys, which explains the fend for yourself.
	But, of course, the...
	Suspicious nature of the music festival being moved right to that particular location.
	A rabbit could not have approached that fence line without being noticed by the most advanced security structure in the world.
	And, oh, Hamas has these paraplanes.
	They fly in with a few guys, take a bunch of hostages, shoot the place up, get away scot-free with all their hostages.
	None of it adds up.
	The author of that video I ought to be watching our channel to figure out how false flags are executed.
	I said from the very beginning, this was a gentrification project.
	They didn't have the political will to get the Palestinians out to create their new utopia 15-minute city up in Gaza.
	So they orchestrated the false flag using, quote-unquote, I mean, we use these strategies in golf at Tonkin.
	It was exactly the same thing here, and it seems like none of the mainstream media players will call it for what it is, which is an absolute fraud designed to Create the political will to allow them to get rid of the Palestinians.
	Now Trump has been trying to move those Palestinians to Egypt.
	And Rubia, of course, sets up where, oh, we're going to go over to Saudi Arabia and we're going to meet with the Russians.
	Of course, that was cover.
	The reason that they'd set it up in Saudi Arabia is that Saudi Arabia is saying, hey, we're not going to let you guys go ahead and do this.
	You think it's going to be this easy to come in with your real estate developers and set up a...
	Set up a whole new front.
	Remember that the Greater Israel Project is not just about Gaza.
	Their vision for what the new Israel is going to look like is about a thousand times the size of what it currently is.
	They want half of Saudi Arabia.
	They want all sorts of property down in Egypt.
	Everything basically east of the Nile.
	They have plans to get that big, that powerful.
	And that's strong, and they think that they've got the political will to get it done, or at least they think that October 7th will begin the process of giving them the political will that they need to get it done.
	But I think they've got another thing in common.
	I think the Zionists have been nothing but puppets that have been used by Western forces.
	To set the stage for some much larger programs that are going to take place.
	And sooner or later, the Zionists will fall if it's not from within.
	It'll be from a mob of Western forces and others on the outside that are sick and tired of the way they treat the Palestinians.
	I don't think the Israelites are as strong as they think they are.
	Well, meanwhile, of course, Reuters and the AP are owned by the Rothschilds, so it's hardly surprising that mainstream news is going to promote everything through a Zionist lens, sad to say, which is one reason why the networks are losing viewers.
	The alternative media, even shows like this one, are gaining followers because they know we are a more reliable source of authentic news.
	Oh, I've seen it for my entire career, and I totally agree.
	Academia and the media have been completely controlled by the Zionist contingent, and I remember reading something by David Icke about how Montague Black was business colleagues with E.P. Taylor,
	was the wealthiest Canadian at the time, and they founded the Argus Corporation, which controlled a massive news syndicate stretching from North America all the way to Israel, which controlled The opinion of the entire Western Hemisphere during the World War II period.
	And I think that that type of monopoly is still going on with Operation Mockingbird.
	And I think you're fully versed on Operation Mockingbird, right?
	Sure, of course.
	Infiltration.
	Come on, we have a whole audience.
	You know, Mockingbird has the ability to imitate other birds' songs.
	So what we have is Mockingbird Press, which was established by the CIA, and they infiltrated corporate media across the board, and they echoed one another's birdsong completely and utterly so that the same mantra is repeated throughout all of the syndicated.
	Mass media press.
	Let me just throw in one more story before we hit the break.
	Namely, CIA has expanded drone flights over Mexico hunting for fentanyl labs.
	Times reported Tuesday, CIA under the new Trump ad has expanded secret drone flights over Mexican territory to hunt for fentanyl labs.
	Officials told the Times a drone flight started under the Biden admin but quickly expanded.
	When Trump came into office, both Trump and CIA Director Radcliffe have had to take stronger action against Mexican cartels.
	We'll be right back after this break with our special guest, Timothy Weirman.
	Can I share a screen, Jim?
	Is it possible?
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	Well, there's so much serious stuff going on out there in the world today.
	Every now and then we deserve a little break.
	I mentioned how Timothy Spearman and I have so many overlapping interests.
	We could be best friends with that.
	It includes an interest in Paul McCartney, whether he died in 1966 and was replaced by someone I regard as an even better musician.
	Timothy actually contributed a chapter to my book, and I suppose we didn't go to the moon either, the title of which was suggested by my co-editor, Mike Palachek, as a response to our first title, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, to which someone might well respond, and I suppose we didn't go to the moon either, which that chapter is not only about faking the moon landing, but about Paul versus Paul, about how...
	Saddam Hussein actually was killed three weeks in, and they used a body double to replace him, how Osama bin Laden died from his medical maladies on December 15, 2001, but how they needed to resurrect him for a phony Attack on a compound in Pakistan that positioned Barack Obama for a triumphal re-election as the man who got the most wanted man in the world who'd been dead for a decade.
	And a series of essays about the Holocaust that led to the Amazon banning the book, just as it has five earlier of mine on Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, Orlando and Dallas, Charlottesville and Parkland.
	Let me mention, by the way, Timothy.
	Brian is a private investigator out of Texas, based in Houston, and has done absolutely superlative work on Sandy Hook.
	He's provided me and my legal exploits, defending myself against a fabricated lawsuit with the two most important affidavits I have.
	He has done great work on the top shooting at Buffalo, on Uvalde, on Nashville.
	And as you heard, he was making an observation about Las Vegas.
	Yeah, we had another fake shooting where they populated the concert with maybe 500 crisis actors secured through crowds on demand.
	A Los Angeles-made outfit where they had a pre-recorded soundtrack of machine gun firing played through the PA system.
	And then they supplemented with special visual effects of light flashing on the fourth floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel.
	It's all outrageous.
	So, Timothy, that's a little background here.
	And, of course, as I say, you had a splendid chapter in the book about Paul versus Paul, or fake or false Paul.
	McCartney, please, your thoughts.
	Right, right.
	So, yeah, 1966 is the purported year when the original James Paul McCartney Actual name ended up dying.
	Ostensibly, it occurred in a car accident, but I am suspicious that it was a homicide orchestrated by an agent within British intelligence who went by the name Maxwell,
	hence the famous song Maxwell's Silver Hammer, which It depicts the incident of the alleged homicide in explicit detail with this series of lyrics.
	Bang, bang, Maxwell Silverhammer came down upon his head.
	Bang, bang, Maxwell Silverhammer made sure that he was dead.
	There you go.
	That, in essence, is the alleged account of the homicide.
	Maxwell went by the name M in the Ian Fleming series, the 007 series, and he was a particularly nasty bully,
	allegedly, and in one episode he actually was upset with the Beatles over some Disobedient type of behavior that they were displaying.
	And so he gave John Lennon a sound beating, punching him several times in the ribs.
	And you can see on one album cover him actually nursing his bruised ribs by hugging himself.
	Around the ribcage.
	And that purported incident occurred directly from this bully agent, Maxwell.
	Now, I... I've interviewed quite a few persons about Tina Foster, Claire Kuhn, Richard Balducci, most interestingly, Nicholas Colastrom, who has some of the...
	First photographs of Paul replacing Paul.
	Richard Balducci endorses just that scenario that it was Maxwell with a silver hammer from the Vatican archives that a pope had become enraged when John had said they were more popular than Jesus and wanted to punish him for that.
	By killing his best friend, not killing him, but by killing his best friend.
	I think you and Richard are very close here in your assessment of what took place.
	I also interviewed a woman, Clements, a new book called Forbidden Fruit, where she suggests Paul was actually kidnapped in Seattle at the airport.
	And subjected to a satanic ritual sacrifice there, and that his head is in Puget Sound underwater.
	Continue, please, Timothy.
	This is all such fascinating stuff, and I gotta say, of all the subjects I address, and they're all complex and controversial, the two that evoke the most emotional reactions are Sandy Hook, of course, but also...
	Paul and his replacement.
	People don't want to believe it.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, they don't want to believe it because he's such a sacred cow as a public icon, and they would rather believe the lie than to confront the ugly truth of the affair.
	Yeah, I know.
	I know.
	It's so often the case.
	And I... By the way, go ahead.
	I actually heard a student of mine say that they preferred the original story about the Titanic being hit by the iceberg and that causing the disaster and that my account about the whole episode being staged and that the iceberg was merely a cover story.
	And the ship was sabotaged and was taking on water before it even set sail from Southampton and how there was an explosion in the coal bunker below water level near the bow section of the ship that was...
	Actually caused by gelignite being placed inside the coal bunker, which is an old ploy going back to the American Civil War, and that they blew the hull out with this coal bunker explosion that was actually changed.
	Timothy, I don't think I had any awareness of your views about Titanic.
	Brian, would you like to...
	Have comments of your own?
	Well, anytime I hear about a conspiracy like this, the first thing I do is think about who benefits financially.
	And on the Titanic issue, I think that they had a problem with the insurability of the ship from the very beginning.
	And so they used the sister ship, switching them a few days before the journey, prepping the sister ship because it was uninsurable.
	So they used the uninsurable ship in place of the Titanic to get it offshore to run the operation.
	And of course, what actually came out of it was that when the ship went down, it went down with some of the most powerful fortunes on Earth that would have been in competition to the other fortunes.
	So it makes sense to me that the sister ship theory makes a lot of sense, whether or not they could have prepped it to look like the Titanic.
	I'm not so sure, but if that's indeed the case, I think it's an interesting study.
	Well, we're talking about the Olympic with the sistership, and they were very, very similar, but there were differences in the windows of the deck.
	I mean, there are a couple of signs that show.
	There's even one study going down to pull off the name Titanic and exposing Olympic beneath it.
	I take it.
	Timothy, you're well familiar with those accounts.
	Yes, absolutely.
	It's all true.
	And I think that the ship swap was orchestrated.
	J.P. Morgan was the Vatican banker.
	He was in charge of the White Star shipping lines, various ships.
	He was in charge of them.
	From the standpoint of bankrolling the construction of them, and certainly the Titanic and the Olympic fit the bill for that.
	And the White Star shipping line was actually owned by the Jesuit order.
	The Belfast shipyard where the repairs took place for the Olympics so that it could be cosmetically repaired enough so as to continue in service for the duration of this transatlantic voyage sailing under the name Titanic.
	That Belfast shipyard was actually Freemason owned.
	Yeah, the background being the Olympic.
	Collisioned with another ship and they had damage to its keel that made it difficult to insure.
	So that was a background for the swap out and so forth and the subterfuge Timothy's talking about.
	That would be great stuff for another show, Timothy.
	Give us what you got right now about Paul and Fall as the immediate topic of discussion.
	Certainly, yes.
	Just let me...
	You know, when the first party who brought this up to me was Claire Kuhn, this was a long time ago, and I was very skeptical.
	In fact, it's one of those cases like when I founded Scholars for 9-11 Truth, Morgan Reynolds and Judy Wood had to keep after me for a year and a half to convince me to look at the Blains of New York City.
	Because of all these anomalies that they thought had been faked.
	And after a year and a half, when I finally looked at it, I discovered they were completely 100% correct.
	Absolutely fascinating stuff.
	And when the guy did the most brilliant work exposing how it was done, Richard D. Hall and his magisterial work called Flight 175 3D Radar Study, which you can still find online.
	I just explained, I mean, it was absolutely fabulous stuff that we had, the way the buildings were constructed was so formidable that real planes could not have entered.
	Here we go, Tim, continue.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	What do we got here?
	Tell us.
	So this is the article from the Wired magazine that shows the forensic Strong, very, very, very strong forensic evidence presented by an Italian team of forensic scientists that shows that Paul,
	the false Paul or the faux Paul, was the replacement.
	His actual name is William Shepard.
	He was a session musician.
	He went under a number of aliases with different bands.
	He was able to impersonate other guitarists.
	With a guitar style, and he was also able to do voice impersonations, and he was also very good at disguises of various descriptions, and so he went under different names with the various bands, and one of the most well-known of these was William Shepard, where he called himself Billy Shears by the nickname.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Remember the Beatles introduced him and Sergeant Pepper said, what did only Billy shares of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band?
	Because it was now a reincarnation of the Beatles.
	So they actually called themselves Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band in honor of their fallen colleague.
	Paul, you might want to scroll up, Timothy, so we can see or down to get some of the images.
	These were...
	Two Italian forensic scientists who set off to disprove the hypothesis that Paul had been replaced and wound up confirming it.
	It's really fascinating stuff.
	I love it.
	I got into a debate with Kevin Barrett, a long-time friend and colleague.
	We've done all kinds of events together, 9-11 and so forth.
	We even had a radio show on...
	Genesis, which has in the past also hosted Alex Jones, called the dynamic duo.
	And Kevin was a skeptic.
	He's never believed it.
	Just as he's never believed, or so it seems, he's never believed that Sandy Hook was a FEMA drill where nobody died.
	I mean, it astonishes me because the evidence is simply overwhelming.
	Well, as Timothy's explaining here, They took a look at photographs of all before 1966 and after and found, as Timothy's going to explain, Paul had bad teeth and a narrow palate, whereas Paul had good teeth and a normal palate.
	Tim, please continue.
	There you go.
	There's the images of the teeth, the dental analysis, the dental work, the palette that Jim has just explained.
	That's also explained in some depth here.
	There's the two forensic scientists from Italy.
	The image of Paul there in the background.
	Paul, actually.
	Paul, yeah, Paul.
	Indeed.
	And, of course, there's lots of other proof.
	I mean, I got photographs of Paul with Jane Asher, to whom he was engaged and whom I believe he actually, you know, loved and intended to marry, and they're about the same height.
	Then we have a photo of Jane with Paul, and he towers over.
	He's four inches taller, so there's a height difference.
	They have different shape and size of skull.
	I mean, it's really remarkable.
	Paul had a real round face, very boyish.
	Paul's slightly oval and more mature, not that boyish charm that was exuding from James Paul.
	Timothy, would you agree?
	Right, right.
	And the song yesterday would be, from a sonorous standpoint, more possible for the shaped skull of the original Paul.
	A song like Get Back would be more suited to the elongated skull shape of the replacement double Billy Shears.
	Let me pull in Brian for his preliminary thoughts.
	Brian.
	You know, I've said this story in passing, but I had a grandfather who had grandparents.
	There's children in the car, and the song I Want to Hold Your Hand by the Beatles came on the radio, and my grandfather looked at his daughter and said, that song is indicative of a depraved society.
	Now, I tell that story because the Beatles were very much influencing a culture toward a moral relativism.
	And sort of a darker side of the Enlightenment liberal atheism.
	Their music was really doing a lot to change the way young people looked at the world.
	And they were a powerful influence in the area of LSD, drug testing, getting kids to go with the peace hippie movement.
	So, you know, I'm hoping somebody can enlighten me as to...
	Why the conspiracy to adjust culture in that manner was so important to the controllers that they chose that the Beatles would be important in this?
	My parents divorced when I was about five, and my mother...
	I married a childhood friend who'd been a merchant marine, and his attitudes were very different than those of my father or my mother.
	But he felt the same way, that rock and roll was the end of civilization, decency, morality.
	Now, you see, it's very curious, Brian.
	I'm fascinated to hear you say that, because I look at that song, and it's about love.
	In fact, that's their central theme of the Beatles was love.
	You know, and the love you take is equal to the love you make.
	I mean, that love and appreciation for others in your life seem to me the predominant themes.
	I don't read it the same way, which is fascinating because so much of this hinges on interpretation of the message of the Beatles and their cultural significance.
	Timothy, go for it.
	Well, I think the Tavistock Institute had a great deal of influence on the Beatles and rolling them out as the Fab Four was just the cover for an operation that involved a whole committee and that the songs were actually...
	Pre-written and pre-recorded before the Beatles even went to the studio, that being the Fab Four.
	So the Tavistock Beatles is what is alleged to have really taken place.
	The talent to which they are...
	Credited is there, but not to the extent that it was hyped.
	They were depicted as being musical geniuses that could go into a recording studio and in record time come out with all these hit wonders and get the album released in record time and all of this.
	I don't...
	I don't think that any of that is actually true.
	I think it was a committee.
	And Adorno, the philosopher from the Frankfurt School, I believe, he was involved.
	He did a lot of the lyrics purportedly.
	And I do think it was a social engineering project that Brian has...
	I don't think there was any car accident.
	I think that's another cover story.
	And I do think Maxwell probably was the one who...
	Committed the act.
	And he may have been murdered because he was non-compliant.
	He didn't want to go along with the Tavistock Institute agenda.
	Well, look, look, look.
	There are occasional songs like Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, which is inexplicable other than the initials LSD. And of course, they traveled India.
	And all this other stuff.
	I think they had some exploration of drugs.
	But I'm very skeptical about the Tavistock or the idea of this music being written by a committee.
	Frankly, as one who has done a lot of creative writing and so forth, it's almost impossible to get a committee to agree on anything.
	So I think that's at least vaguely or faintly absurd.
	I do believe they were fortuitous in having a brilliant Producer George Martin, who was a master of classic music, who, in my opinion, molded and transformed the Beatles, induced them to, you know, adopt the same clothing, the uniforms.
	I mean, they were struggling, you know, in Liverpool and in Germany and elsewhere where they were playing their gigs in the early days.
	I think it was George Martin who was...
	Creative genius behind the scene who transferred all this raw talent into these masterpieces one after another after another.
	Now, I've done a tribute to the Beatles, you know, like their 40 best songs.
	I tell you, I'm very familiar with their music, and I do not believe it sustains a darker interpretation that both you and Brian embrace.
	I mean, I'm open to debating it, of course, and it's...
	The hardest part in doing research is getting alternative hypotheses out there so we can kick them around.
	But I take the alternative view that this is really a function of collaboration with George Martin and that he was the key to the making of The Beatles on multiple levels.
	Please do continue, Timothy and Brian.
	Brian, maybe you want to make an initial response.
	Yours.
	There was a book.
	That was put out by a guy by the name of David McGowan entitled Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon, Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops, The Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream that analyzed the 1960s music scene and how it developed.
	Now, the Beatles weren't the only player at that particular time.
	There are obviously other big names like Jim Morrison, Frank Zappa, David Crosby, and many others, but the book put out by McGowan makes the argument that Laurel Canyon, which was basically the beginning of the American music hippie revolution, was really a psychological operation that was not organic at all,
	but planned a cultural shift that was designed to manipulate the youth and steer them away from Traditional political activism into more of their style of political activism.
	I think the book is fascinating.
	I haven't been through it completely, but it does seem to me that the social engineering experience of sort of changing youth from the conservative views of their parents, you know, the Christian church and the pilgrims and the...
	The conservative movements in America was beginning to change at this particular time, and music had a tremendous amount to do with it.
	Final thought on it, there was a rapper that goes back to the early 90s by the name of Crazy Bone, who tells the story.
	He's on YouTube, and it's Crazy Bone with a K, but he tells the story how he was invited to this sort of powerful people party, and when he got to this L.A. mansion, there was a bunch of other powerful people there.
	They were all asked to sign these mysterious NDAs, and there was rappers there.
	And basically, from an inside perspective, he tells the story about how they told them.
	Hold that on.
	We'll return with Brian Davidson and Timothy Spearman right after this break.
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	Yeah, sure.
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	If you could scroll back up, Tim, the ears are different, too.
	And ears, as most now know, are as distinctive as fingerprints.
	In fact, Paul's the only person anyone can recall whoever was caught wearing a fake earpiece.
	I mean, because he was so aware that it revealed.
	There you go.
	Thank you.
	That he was not the real Paul.
	So, Brian, go right ahead with your discussion about it.
	I'm just going to finish up the story and then I'll end it quick.
	Anyway, at the time in the early 90s, rap music that was developing out of the black culture had a positive theme.
	There was sort of the MC Hammer theme and there was salt and pepper, you know, wear a condom, be safe, be responsible, Will Smith sort of stuff.
	Anyway, this rapper Crazy Bone, part of the LA theme, gets invited to this meeting.
	They basically say, sign this NDA. And then once they open up the meeting, they say, we'll tell you which stocks to invest in, if you'll change the themes of your music to a much darker theme.
	And basically what we are is we're people that invest in private prisons, and we make $200,000 a year per prisoner to fill them up.
	And when the music turns dark, we can fill up all of our prisons.
	So we're willing to put all you rappers in the same You know, under the same labels and promote your music if you'll turn the culture dark.
	Crazy Bone obviously exited from the meeting and told the story and blew their cover.
	But the whole purpose of changing that particular style of music was to fill up prison cells.
	That's according to the story that Crazy Bone tells.
	I'm willing to buy all that, but I just don't see how the Beatles fit into that scenario.
	Timothy, go ahead and elaborate further your themes.
	Yeah, you can just leave it there.
	It's great to have those images.
	Leave it where we can see the images unless you want to read passages, which is fine, too.
	Go right ahead.
	If I may, I was just going to get the names of these scientists out there for everyone to be able to research it and look into it for themselves.
	It's pretty important that people...
	You know, check things out.
	Gabriela Carlesi and Francesco Gavazzani are an odd pair.
	She is an...
	help me with this.
	She's an...
	and he is a computer scientist.
	So she does, you know...
	Phonologic type of analysis of the structure of the face as her angle and he's got the computer savviness to be able to digitalize the features of the face so that you can see that the features either match or don't match.
	They took two pictures of Pre-1966, showing Paul as the beetle, the original beetle, James Paul McCartney.
	And those two photos matched with this anatomopologia.
	Analysis, you could definitely see that the ears were aligned properly, the eyes were set at the proper distance.
	It's a superposition, putting one image on top of another.
	I have a colleague who's mastered this, Larry Riviera.
	Yes.
	And we have a photograph taken from this.
	Same perspective.
	If you make the pupils equidistant, then if it's the same person, all the features fall into place, and if not, it's revealed.
	Yes.
	Yeah, so that's the two researchers that were behind this, and they did a superlative job, no doubt.
	What was this study, in fact, that convinced me that they were two different people?
	I mean, Claire Kuhn had been telling me for, I bet it was a year and a half.
	Because even when I did my tribute to the Beatles, I was acknowledging that Claire was giving me this story about Paul having died and been replaced and that I was not convinced.
	And I kept asking her for real evidence, physical evidence, because she had some sketch that John had drawn.
	That was the basis for her thoughts about it.
	And when I discovered this, I was then convinced because you're going to have two different people who are both mature adults who are different height and different palettes and different teeth and different ears.
	I mean, it's just ridiculous.
	So there it was.
	And even when I confronted Kevin, he seemed to be in a state of denial.
	I'm just still stunned.
	I actually have a piece about it.
	On my blog at jameshfetzer.org, why Ringo's confession, we replace Paul, appears to be authentic.
	And I recount my dispute, my debate with Kevin Barrett, and include evidence from this very study, which in my opinion is definitive, and yet he continues to resist.
	It baffles me, but I guess we all have our own.
	What can I say?
	Timothy, go right ahead.
	Okay, so two images pre-1966 made a comparison, and this is an interesting comparison of the two images showing that it's definitely the same individual.
	They show a perfect coincidence of the main key points, in particular the mandibular curve, which is the line between the ears down to the chin, and it was very matching on both photographs pre-'66.
	For that perfect coincidence between the two images is virtually impossible.
	By convention, it is considered acceptable to be at most 2.5% of difference.
	Beyond that limit, the divergence is suggestive of some evidence that it's not the same individual.
	In this case, the spread was less than 1%, which shows that it had to be the same person.
	So after...
	Of course, the other features align.
	I mean, yeah.
	Go right ahead.
	After 66, they found photos which they were able to compare with those pre-66.
	To show the anomalies which led to the conclusion that this was a different individual.
	I should also mention, Jim, that Paul went on concert to Japan and when he was there, he was smuggling drugs illegally into the country and he was caught.
	Well, he had a small amount of marijuana and they apprehended him.
	Yeah, I don't think it was...
	A smuggling suggests he was bringing it into salad as though he were a dealer.
	I think he merely had it for his own recreational use, but they apprehended him.
	And, to finish your story...
	Go ahead.
	Do you want to finish it?
	Or do you want me to?
	I thought I was going to let you, but when they fingerprinted him, it wasn't the right guy.
	Yeah, now how would they know that?
	Because police records from Germany, when he was fingerprinted for the minor crime of vandalism, which was just a misdemeanor, but nevertheless, he was arrested and fingerprinted in Germany for causing vandalism in his hotel room suite.
	Showed that the fingerprints taken at the time in Germany were not a match to those that the Japanese police were able to procure when he was arrested for drug possession.
	Yeah, that's a better description of it.
	Possession.
	I think that in many Asian countries, drugs, even cannabis, something that most of us don't even consider as a real drug over here, they do.
	They take it very seriously in many Asian countries.
	Yeah, well, you mentioned Germany, Timothy.
	It's interesting.
	Paul apparently impregnated a young woman and bore her.
	She had a son by him, and when she sued for paternity to get the identification, they did a DNA comparison with Paul, and of course it didn't match.
	And that was another actual, in my opinion, proof of the swap, the substitution of Paul for Paul.
	Billy Shears indeed, as you say.
	Yeah.
	This paragraph here...
	covers all of that so it's worth looking at this um um so needless to ask the question to the person concerned paul mccartney as well as the other beetles he always preferred to um avoid the whole
	If fair, one between McCartney and the legend of his death is a game, is something of a game.
	In fact, stress and McCartney could do so for some time, avert the whole issue and avoid it, but...
	Well, he's authored a whole book that's been very, very popular on Amazon, The Memoirs of Billy Shears.
	I mean, it's massive.
	100, 700 pages.
	Looks the parts I've read appear to me to be completely authentic.
	And explains how contractually he's obligated not to reveal his identity.
	Brian, I want to get you back in, my friend.
	I feel like I shorted you before.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, no, no.
	I just...
	I wanted to make my point that, look, Mike Benz the other day did a very interesting, Mike Benz from the State Department, who's currently doing some independent analysis of some of the spending.
	What was interesting is that he was live on his podcast the other day, and he began to break into, he said, let's go ahead and practice money and let's try to find the operation.
	And so he just started hold, used open source intelligence, and he found that the money was going to a Colombian The purpose was to create rappers that would that and then supplement and support the rappers so that they would put out music
	and then they could be activated at a particular time to start revolutions within nature.
	So Ben's found the money real-time and tracked it right down to the actual wrapper and the actual operation.
	So we know our government is involved in this sort of...
	False flag manipulation, color revolution, staging up Taylor Swift type psyops and others.
	So it doesn't surprise me that these things were born in the CIA in the 50s and the 60s and that the Beatles were a part of it.
	Whether or not it was a fully American operation or whether it was a British operation, I don't think it matters.
	The same techniques are employed to try to change governments and control populations.
	Well, it's all very interesting, the private prison aspect and so forth.
	Fascinating.
	When we go to callers, Timothy, do scroll back to some of the images because those are so persuasive, but none of us is in disagreement.
	We all agree Paul died and was replaced.
	The only question being exactly the mechanism, and I do believe It was Maxwell with a silver hammer.
	Richard Balducci is very persuasive on that, though, I gotta say.
	I think Sharon Clemens, her forbidden fruit, offers us an alternative hypothesis.
	Brian, did you have a chance to look at Sharon's book about Paul being kidnapped in Seattle from the airport and then subjected to a ritual sacrifice?
	No, but it doesn't surprise me.
	Remember the Lonely Hearts Club band cover had Aleister Crawley clearly on it, along with John Lennon, and there were lots of other symbolism and things that were used on that particular cover.
	Remember the Beatles, when they started out, were pretty innocent.
	But as they developed and got deeper and darker into the hole, things started to turn pretty rough.
	Yeah.
	Well, let's keep in mind that there was not just one homicide.
	John Lennon was killed, too, right?
	So what was the reason, the motive behind Paul's murder by Maxwell and then the later murder of John?
	I think it's because they both went renegade and refused to cooperate with the New World Order agenda.
	Yeah, I'm going to pull up the cover because it's so interesting.
	Here's, by the way, Nick has these earliest photographs of Paul faking it as Paul, and I think he's got a wonderful book about this.
	I mean, it's such a fascinating subject.
	And then they, you know, they have this obscure early photograph trying to conceal his height.
	There it is.
	There it is.
	Brian, do you want to comment?
	I mean, clearly it's a funeral.
	You've got a left-handed guitar on the gravesite.
	You've got Madame Tussauds Beatles on the left.
	They've always had the problem with trying to minimize the height.
	If you go to, say, when he was on Ed Sullivan's show, you can see the three Beatles are virtually the same height, except Ringo being slightly shorter.
	And yet, then later, it turns out to be four inches taller.
	I think I may have that photograph with, here it is.
	See, here you have Paul with Jane Asher, and then you have Jane with Paul.
	And look how much taller he is.
	I mean, you know, and look at the difference in the expression, the face, the whole bit.
	I mean, this is a wonderful photograph.
	Tim, you like this one, too?
	Yeah, I agree.
	Yeah, he was significantly taller and one of the reasons they stopped touring is because he and John used to sing at the mic together on many of the shows and if they were seen together in close proximity,
	you would be able to definitely see the height differential when the original Paul was Almost identical height to John Lennon.
	Yeah, they stopped touring before they even introduced the replacement, and it's a fascinating story of how that all evolved.
	Upper left, second face from the left, that's Aleister Crowley, the famous Satanist.
	Yeah.
	There's all sorts of symbology in there.
	Upper left, upper left side, second face in, that's Aleister Crowley right there.
	This one here.
	I should also mention that the Dakota where John Lennon was shot and the place that he and Yoko lived as their residence, that place, Dakota, the Dakota, was where Rosemary's Baby was filmed.
	And we know that Sharon Tate was part of the...
	Charles Manson murder spree, right?
	And she was married to the director of the film, Polanski.
	Right.
	There's a wonderful Quentin Tarantino film giving a variation on the theme of the Tate-Bianca murders.
	Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, I recommend everyone, Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt, Blake Hebrows.
	It's a wonderful film.
	Wonderful.
	Really enjoyed it.
	More.
	Brian, I'm sure you want to add more.
	Do you want to add more about the cover photo?
	No, I'm okay with it.
	I mean, I just think there's a whole lot of symbology there.
	I think it would take hours to go through all of it.
	It's obviously well designed and planned as we would expect that type of artwork to be.
	But this is, again...
	Very advanced in their career after they'd sort of crossed the Rubicon into a darker style of music, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and many others.
	I think what probably happened is that they got in the studio and started kicking against the sort of darker themes.
	And they said, that's enough.
	You're going to put out these darker themes.
	This is the way it's going to be, whether you like it or not.
	So the early, I want to hold your hand, sort of simple.
	Love messages were being replaced by much darker messages, and I think they were probably the original human beings that were in it were kicking against the goats.
	Well, just offer a slightly different interpretation.
	Once William Shepard joined the band, he took them in a whole different direction.
	I think they went ways they would never have gone before.
	I mean, I love the early Beatles, but that was, you know, bubblegum music.
	It was all...
	Really teen romance kind of stuff.
	And then you get in already in Sergeant Pepper.
	Rather stunning stuff.
	A day in the life may be their greatest piece of work.
	I rank it number one myself.
	But I love all their other stuff.
	Even Day Tripper, which of course is about a person who takes LSD during the day.
	Now you said that's my opening for my...
	For my show on RBN. I mean, I just love the guitar riffs at the beginning and everything else about it, but I'm a big fan of the music, just the overall impression it creates, even more so than a minute analysis of the words.
	Timothy, you want to comment on that?
	Yeah, I'm really fascinated by their lyrics as well and how many clues they drop through the lyrics to the replacement operation.
	It's really quite amazing.
	And it goes into Wings.
	You know, Paul McCartney and Wings.
	Right?
	You say hello, I say goodbye.
	One's coming on stage while the other one's exiting the stage of life, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, this guy is a complete musical genius, in my opinion.
	He's an even better musician than James Paul McCartney, and people get very upset when I say things like that.
	You know, I once told a dear friend who asked me, what would I have been if I hadn't become a philosopher, or if I had been someone else, and I... Said Paul McCartney.
	But now knowing he died in 1966 when I was making that remark and I've been Paul McCartney, I would have been long since, six feet under or at the bottom of the Puget Sound.
	I mean, so I've revised my opinion.
	No longer would I want to have been Paul McCartney.
	We're going to be taking calls shortly.
	Go ahead, Timothy.
	I want you to lay out any other thoughts you want to share here today.
	Yeah, I just wanted to get into that business of the purported child in Germany that was supposed to be his, that you had mentioned earlier.
	There's this paragraph that deals with it.
	A German woman of 45 years, Benita Kirschpin, McCartney's daughter called the fruit of a relationship between the young musician, not yet famous, and Erica Mollers, a blonde girl from Hamburg where the Beatles were performing at the time.
	And in 1961, when Bettina was born, McCartney did not want to recognize his daughter, but curiously contributed to the child's maintenance with a monthly payment of 200 marks.
	In courts, I think that would be considered an admission.
	Oh, indeed.
	And once an adult...
	They tried to get the DNA match.
	They found it didn't compute because, of course, it was not James Paul's DNA being compared with the offspring, but Billy Shearer's.
	Right, exactly.
	So the paternity-- I love it if you gave me-- you know, I've got five or six Beatle books, including all the lyrics.
	I'd love it if you gave me a list of what you take to be the darker songs that are a manifestation of your thesis about their contributing to the, as it were, corruption of culture.
	Because I'd like to take a look at the lyrics and go further with this.
	And you and I would have occasion, no doubt, to...
	Talk about it more.
	So if you're disposed, now you may not, but if you've gone into, you know, Dave Cowan's work, you get very far along.
	That's very, very good.
	And I do believe a lot of very dark stuff was going on in Laurel Canyon, and a lot of it was certainly drug-related.
	And your point about, or his, about the private prisons keeping them populated being the motive is utterly fascinating.
	Fascinating.
	More.
	Brian, yours.
	Well, every time I go to analyze a false flag, I look for the question in terms of who benefits.
	And once you dig it up, it becomes very clear as to why it's done.
	Just the other day, we had a false flag related to another lesbian school shooter or trans school shooter.
	There were clues all over the place that it was tied to the same Sandy Hook type of operation.
	But I always ask the question, who benefits?
	And in my opinion, it's the security industrial complex that is just as big as the military industrial complex.
	It has the most to care.
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	Today I'm going to do my best of bringing our callers without disconnecting from the Area code 608-957-8727.
	608-957-8727.
	Call in and share your thoughts about Paul Fall or other issues we've been addressing here with Timothy Spearman, Brian Davidson, and myself.
	Timothy, go ahead.
	Give us further thoughts of yours.
	Yeah, before 1966, Paul was photographed and seen on video smoking with his left hand.
	And after 1966, he began taking up the habit of smoking with his right hand.
	Usually people don't change their favorite hand over habits of that description.
	I mean, that is...
	The thing that you're going to do your whole life is smoke with your left hand, if that's what you're used to doing.
	Sure.
	And I'm sure their signatures are going to be different, too.
	I don't know why we wouldn't have thought of looking at the signatures before and after.
	They should be out there in abundance, one would have thought.
	Brian, yours.
	You know, the question is to whether, you know, there's a lot of bands that lose.
	Singers, players.
	This band appears, I mean, I don't think it was just Paul that was replaced.
	I've heard that other people in the band were continually replaced.
	Tremendous amount of money, tremendous amount of opportunity.
	The entire states were worth a fortune.
	The music was viral, as viral as it can possibly be during the day.
	And so you got to say that whoever was handling...
	It behind the scenes had a lot to benefit by keeping the band continuing to go.
	So it doesn't surprise me at all that they would take these levels, especially if it was tied to a government operation that was designed to contribute to the moral decline of society or something along that line.
	Well, there was an effort to kill Richard.
	He awakened in his estate, which was walled, and a naked man was there.
	Trying to kill him with a knife.
	I have a friend who had a similar experience, Jack White, who was doing JFK research.
	He lived in San Antonio and awakened to find a naked man in his bedroom who actually stabbed Jack repeatedly.
	The idea being, of course, then they can take a shower, get rid of all the DNA. They're not going to leave any trace evidence.
	But other than that, Brian, I'm unaware of any...
	Serious allegations that any of the others were actually replaced.
	Of course, the death of John Lennon was not by Chapman.
	It was by Pardello.
	The guy was a door man who was a part of Op 40. This was an assassination team put together in the Eisenhower administration that Richard Nixon headed.
	My belief is Nixon, who got rather paranoid, was worried that John Lennon is going to lead an anti-war movement.
	We have got a caller joining us.
	408, Paul, is that you?
	Go right ahead.
	Paul.
	Paul, are you there?
	408. Join the conversation.
	408. I do seem to have brought him in without...
	Losing contact with the studio, but I'm not getting a response.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	Can you hear me?
	Yeah, there you go.
	There you go, Paul.
	Go ahead.
	I know for some reason I was talking, but you couldn't hear me.
	You can hear me now, right?
	Yes, yes, I can hear you now, and I could not before.
	You're correct.
	Okay, all right.
	So...
	I'll try this one more time.
	We've been over this crowd before, and I don't know why, but you just refused to go ahead and look into it.
	But I just sent you the PDF on John Lennon again to your mailbox, so it's freshly there in your email today, okay?
	John Lennon was not killed, right?
	Earlier in the conversation...
	I heard somebody say Charlie Manson and his murder spree and Sharon Tate.
	Sharon Tate and all those people were not killed either.
	You wrote a book called Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
	Okay?
	Nobody died in the Manson murders, and nobody died outside the Dakota building.
	And if you read those papers, you will be convinced that the only reason you are not convinced is that you've not read the papers.
	You're talking about Miles Manson stuff, I presume, Paul.
	Is that right?
	Correct.
	It's 50-something, 54 pages.
	Have you seen that?
	It's layer upon layer.
	It's proof upon proof upon proof.
	Discontinuity upon discontinuity.
	Circumstances upon circumstances.
	It will leave zero doubt.
	If you are a reasonable and logical man, and apparently you are...
	Okay, it will leave low doubt.
	The only problem is you have not read it in all these years, correct?
	Yeah, yeah, Paul, you're right.
	By the way, okay, you got me boxed in on this.
	Now, have you seen the Quentin Tarantino movie, What's Up on Time in Hollywood?
	I've seen scenes of it.
	You want to watch the whole thing.
	You'll love it.
	You'll love it, especially given your views about the Tate Long Bianca murders.
	Brian, do you want to respond?
	Paul has very strong views, of course.
	We often are in disagreement, but he's always excellent in argument.
	Go ahead, Brian.
	No, I don't have any ideas about these particular topics.
	This is not something that I've...
	Timothy, thanks.
	Timothy, your thoughts?
	I have actually heard that the...
	Manson murders were staged and that nothing happened.
	No one died.
	I've heard this argument before.
	I wouldn't disagree.
	I don't know.
	I haven't delved into it to the depth that your friend Paul has, but I do have suspicions that it's probably quite true.
	Just another PSYOP, a major PSYOP operation and Helter Skelter, the Beatles, That number is also part and parcel of that whole deception.
	Paul, go ahead.
	That's fantastic to hear, because now we have at least two other people there, Jim, that are open-minded, and all they have to do is take a look at it.
	Jim, I'm sure you can send him, your guest, the paper on Tate.
	I'll send it to you as well, Sharon Tate.
	That's much longer.
	It was at one point, I think it was 80-something pages, and it's now increased to well over 90 pages PDFs.
	So it's quite a lengthy read.
	And he saves a lot of the genealogy to the end.
	He didn't do the genealogy in the first paper, which has been out since about 2015 or 14, I believe.
	John Lennon's paper came out in 2014. And it's a zero-doubter.
	Brian, I sent it to your email as well, so you can read it.
	And once you see, you know, what is there, in other words, and the photographs, it just leaves, like I said, it's not just somebody writing some conspiracy theory.
	I mean, the research in it and the analysis of the photos and what you call the data, the contemporary narrative at the time, it will leave zero doubt.
	And I was a big, I don't know what you would call a fan.
	That's not the right word, but as a kid, I was into all that helter-skelter stuff.
	I read the book.
	I watched the movie.
	I mean, it was very believable because that's what they wanted us to believe, and it was all to destroy the hippie peace movement, the anti-war movement.
	It's what he called blackwashing.
	So they blackwashed the hippie movement.
	But anyway, if you read, Jim, just like I said, you talk 20-plus hours a week.
	I can't imagine.
	It's exhausting.
	And I've often joked with you before.
	I told you that, sure, when I come on and I call and I do some other stuff, I run my mouth.
	I got a big mouth.
	But for every hour that I'm talking, I've had at least 20 or 30 hours where my mouth is shut and I'm taking in content.
	And I'm telling you right now, if you read Miles Mathis' paper on John Lennon, you'll be convinced.
	I'll take a look at it, Paul.
	Let's see.
	What's the purpose of...
	Go ahead, Brian.
	What was the purpose?
	Again, I think I heard you say it was to destroy the hippie movement, the anti-war protest movement.
	How could that have worked?
	Were they trying to just give it a black eye or bruises?
	What were they doing?
	Well, it's hard to know what their thinking is exactly.
	You know, when you read the paper, when you read his PDF on the topic, it makes total sense.
	And they do this kind of thing all the time.
	In other words, they're always running psychological operations on us, right?
	I mean, for example, you could ask yourself the same question about these school shootings.
	How's that going to work against, you know, white males that own guns?
	It's only going to work against liberals and women, females, who will be emotionally swayed.
	But a gun control argument is never going to work on somebody like a white male just because somebody else gets shot.
	That means nothing.
	That's like telling people, well, you drive down the road, you could get a car accident.
	Well, sure, of course you could.
	But they run these operations anyway for whatever effect they might have.
	Similar to when you watch a lot of these movies and TV shows and commercials.
	Showing all these mixed-race couples.
	I don't think anybody seeing that is going to be encouraged to go find a mate of another race.
	That's not really how it works, but it's a constant.
	It's putting it in your mind all the time, normalizing the imagery, if you will.
	Of course, I'm not them.
	I can't speak for why they do things, but when you look into this line of research...
	And Miles Mathis is not the only one.
	In my opinion, he's just preeminent in this field of taking apart these fake operations.
	And he concurred with Jim on almost everything in terms of Sandy Hook and all the fake school shootings.
	They're right on the same page.
	Yeah, but on other issues like JFK, I mean, he's wildly off the mark there, Paul.
	Would you concede?
	I actually don't think so.
	We won't get into it now, but I've read his paper thoroughly at least twice, and I've also looked again at Jay Widener's film.
	I think you should have Jay Widener back on and revisit that topic, but I am more in their camp now.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	It's okay, Paul.
	It shows you're human.
	I mean, you accused me of having blind spots.
	That's a mental arsenal, I must say.
	Yeah.
	JFK was taken out in Dealey Plaza.
	We know so much about it.
	But there was a lot of effort to fabricate false evidence.
	And that's what Miles is focusing on.
	False evidence intended to mislead, where we've had to sort it out and go through and disprove all the false evidence to get to the truth.
	I mean, I just did a thing this weekend with David Manteg in New Orleans.
	It was a mini-conference at the Ritz-Carlton called Make America Honest Again.
	You can find the live stream up there.
	I put it on my Ritz-You channel.
	It's also on my Twitter account at Jim Fetzer.
	And you've got to understand, David is the leading expert on the medical evidence.
	He had to go through and sort out how they even altered the x-rays to conceal the causes of death.
	I mean, it just goes on and on.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I know, Jim.
	It's funny the way you make America honest again.
	That's a tall order.
	I know, I know.
	This is Alan Salarian, who orchestrated.
	He's a psychiatrist.
	He was a head shrink for the FBI on the rapid response team until he began exposing the CCC fabricating statistics to create the false impression of an opioid epidemic.
	And they sacked him.
	They raided his home.
	They took his computers.
	They seized his three Mercedes.
	They froze his bank account.
	That man had been put through the mill.
	And here he's just, you know, making an effort to get some issues back on track.
	He's been a longtime fan of my work on JFK. I'm out here to consult with me about the case.
	Go ahead.
	I know.
	I know.
	Did you say go ahead or are you calling on somebody else?
	Yeah, no, I said, yeah, go ahead, Paul.
	Go ahead, Paul.
	Say more.
	Well, again, not to argue it here because we...
	We simply cannot, okay?
	The only way that could possibly be argued is for you to read in its entirety his paper on JFK. Now, the conclusion might be different.
	The narratives are similar.
	The conclusions that you both draw based upon your analysis, that's what's going to diverge.
	However, you cannot fault the conclusions that he makes or that Jay Widener makes either.
	I thoroughly looked at it, and I don't have to sell you on the fact that...
	Isn't Jay talking about...
	Let me finish my sentence, please.
	You know, here's the thing, Jim, about this, okay?
	It's what I used to tell people on RBN all the time, callers.
	It's like, I already know what you think.
	Everybody already knows what you think.
	But here's the problem with that, is you think what it is they want you to think.
	I don't get that, Paul.
	I don't get that at all.
	Sure.
	In other words, they want it to be confusing.
	They want it to be, well, was it the CIA? Was it the mob?
	Was it the Mossad?
	Was it this?
	Was it that?
	All these circumstances about the fact that it was a real event.
	But in reality, what the issue is, is it was not a real event.
	So, for example, all the discontinuities in it, it just makes too much.
	So, for example, if an event is authentic.
	There won't be so many discontinuities, among other things.
	That's the best word I can think of.
	That's why all these events that you examine...
	Please, just let me finish.
	You've got a show every single week for multiple hours a day.
	Here's the problem.
	When people examine all these events like you have, you come to certain conclusions based upon, in many cases, based upon your assumptions.
	That it was either real or it wasn't real.
	Now, you started looking into Sandy Hook, and I don't know what your mindset was, but pretty soon, the assumption that it wasn't real took over, and you looked at the entire event from that lens, from that point forward, similar to the other examination of the shootings that you've done.
	Once you make your mind up at a certain point, like the moon landings, you are only looking at the moon landings assuming that they were fake.
	And there's nothing wrong with that.
	That's fine.
	You're attributing to me irrationality.
	The point is, I'm open-minded.
	I've even become convinced now that Alan Dulles was probably the project manager, calling Lyndon the mastermind.
	It originated in 1960 in L.A. But he was, you know, counting on others to work out the details.
	Dulles came and visited him in the summer of 1963 to give him a report, no doubt, about the advanced state of planning.
	But it involved all the above.
	The CIA had a shooter.
	The Joint Chiefs had a shooter.
	The mafia had a shooter.
	The anti-Castro Cubans had a shooter.
	You must know enough about my work to recognize that.
	I'm not going to do 30 years of research with the best people and conclude that a...
	False event was real.
	It was a real event that was falsified for public concern.
	In my opinion, you're not the only one that went down that road.
	All these things have something in common.
	All these things have something in common.
	You cannot see a real body or a real autopsy.
	All of them.
	No real body, no real autopsy.
	They all have that in common.
	Paul!
	I've spoken with...
	Shut up a second, Paul.
	I've spoken with Paul O'Connor.
	Paul O'Connor was there to help unload the body from the black curse in the back, and with James Jenkins, and with...
	Custer, Gerald Custer was the x-ray technician who was there.
	I've had conversation with them.
	They were witnesses.
	This is some of the best evidence we use.
	Two FBI agents were there, Siebert and O'Neill.
	We have the drawings of Jay Thornton Boswell, you know, from the autopsy.
	We've been able to sort out the difference between the real and the fake.
	And, you know, someone even like you, who is pretty good at this stuff, or Miles, Don't understand the complexity of the deception.
	This was the most elaborate, contrived cover-up in the history of murder in the world ever.
	Okay.
	I've taken the best of us.
	What you're telling me is that you can cover up something that's real, but you can't make an elaborate cover-up of a fake.
	Is that what your argument is?
	Paul, you love to paraphrase a great straw man.
	What I'm telling you, when we come to the best, shut up.
	We got to the best evidence, including physicians at Parkland.
	We know the condition of the body at Parkland.
	He had a massive hole in the back of the head.
	He was dead.
	D-E-A-D. I've got correspondence and discussion with Gerald Custer who took the x-rays at Bethesda.
	With James Jenkins.
	With Dennis David who was the NCO logging the bodies in and out.
	I've had direct conversation with them who were witnesses at the time.
	And I'm telling you, you and Miles on this case are just full of it.
	Full of it.
	Absolute bullshit.
	It's not just me.
	It's not just me.
	I don't give a damn if it's not you.
	Most of the world is.
	You haven't read the paper.
	Read it.
	I've started reading the paper.
	I haven't read it.
	Because you think you know everything.
	Paul, I started.
	Just like you think you know everything about the flat earth and you don't.
	You're wrong on all these sorts of things.
	You're always wrong and you're loudly wrong.
	I hate that.
	Yeah, you're a flat earther, right?
	Yeah, I know.
	You're not alone.
	But it's ridiculous.
	It's ludicrous.
	Lots of people, you know, it's not ridiculous.
	What's ridiculous is that you can't see it.
	Paul, thanks.
	I love it.
	Let's get back to Timothy Spearman.
	Give me your thoughts about all of the above.
	Gentlemen, I'm having a hoot here.
	I love it.
	I love the debate.
	Excellent.
	Okay, so...
	Well, Ryan can't play on your side, I think, but that's okay, too.
	I respect all points of view, but they can't all be right, obviously.
	But you're implying that I make an assumption early on and then stick with it is simply absurd.
	I do not.
	No, no, no.
	No, no, that's not what I meant to say.
	Oh, shut up!
	It's the essence of skydiving.
	Paul, I'm going to take you off.
	I'm going to drop you.
	Not for the first time.
	Won't be for the last.
	I'm going to let you go.
	Just wait.
	Wait to come back to me.
	Don't do it.
	Shut up!
	What I'm saying is it's the essence of scientific reasoning.
	When you get new evidence or alternative hypotheses, you may have to revise your opinions, reject hypotheses you previously accepted, accept hypotheses you previously rejected, and leave others in suspense.
	That is the core of who I am.
	And your idea of making up a position early and then sticking with it is ridiculous beyond words.
	That's not what I said, and it shows that you don't really listen to me.
	Okay?
	Look, you know, Mona understands.
	You know her very well.
	You're friends.
	She understands exactly what I think and feel about these things, and she understands my viewpoint of view.
	She has a very similar one, where there's certain topics you just will not entertain.
	You will not listen to.
	What I said is, We're crying out loud.
	We're crying out loud.
	I have a PhD in the history of science and philosophy.
	I don't care about your degrees.
	I have nothing.
	I'm a college dropout.
	You're going back to prehistoric times.
	Let me finish my statement, please.
	What I said was this.
	It's very simple.
	You may or may not have an idea already when you start to investigate something, but I have a suspicion you may.
	Come into a topic already thinking a certain way.
	Logically, it doesn't matter, Paul.
	It doesn't matter.
	Once you make a decision, I get to talk to you.
	All you do is talk, talk, talk, talk, talk.
	Read the paper, then talk to me.
	I started reading the paper.
	It was so ridiculous.
	He misunderstood so much, I gave it up.
	That's a JFK paper.
	You want me to look at the whole damn thing?
	I'll look at the whole damn thing.
	But I guarantee you, he has been misled by the fabricated evidence and never got to the real facts of the matter.
	And goddamn, I mean, we even had Charles Crenshaw, the contributor for my first book.
	How many of my books have you read on JFK, Paul?
	One?
	Assassination and Signed, Murder in Dealey Plaza, Grades of Murder, Film Oaks, JFK, Who, How, and Why?
	Have you read any of them?
	Any?
	I read Murder in Dealey Plaza.
	Good.
	Excellent.
	Very good.
	A lot of people think that's the best book ever.
	It's a good book, but you know, I read Best Evidence in 1981 when it came out.
	I've been into this thing too, as you know.
	But it's all based upon the assumption that it was all a real and authentic event.
	Yet, when you look, when you read his paper along with others as well, others have done this kind of research, it can't have been an authentic event because there's too many things that occurred that were not authentic.
	So therefore, you're left with the conclusion of, okay, we have this fake autopsy, which is clearly not Kennedy, and that couldn't be more clear from reading Miles Mathis' paper.
	Paul, let me dispatch that.
	They had a second body there.
	Dennis David was instructed not to log him in.
	He was said to be a major.
	The photographs you're looking at, there's an aluminum stirrup supporting the head, and there's a phone on the wall.
	Those were not true in the Bethesda morgue.
	They used a second body to create autopsy photographs to be misleading.
	You guys never get to the point of sorting these things out, so you have no idea whether what you're looking at is a photograph from Bethesda or some other location.
	You don't know what you're talking about, but you're convinced you know the facts of the matter when you're as far away.
	On this particular thing, I am not so-called convinced.
	There's many things I'm very, very convinced of.
	I told you about John Lennon.
	There's no doubt about that.
	Tate LaBianca murders, no doubt about that.
	On this particular situation, I don't know.
	I can't claim to know because there's so much obfuscation, so much subterfuge, so much going on, right?
	So much continuity, so many things that don't make any sense.
	So the conclusion that they're trying to hide the fact that he wasn't really killed seems very reasonable to me, based on what I've seen.
	And again, I think you should have Jay Weidner back on and see his film again.
	It's so colossally stupid to think Jack would participate in a faking of his death.
	I can't begin to tell him.
	I watched it twice.
	Watch what twice?
	I'm not saying it's the end-all, the be-all, but it explains a lot.
	It surely does.
	Paul, thanks for calling in.
	I didn't give you the boot.
	I gave you plenty of time.
	We got your position on the table.
	You sent me the piece.
	I'll look again, but I'm telling you, I already know what Miles didn't understand about the case.
	You think I'm going to spend 30 years on chasing a wisp, an imaginary phantom?
	I'm sorry, Paul.
	That's really...
	Unbelievable.
	No, no.
	Paul, Paul, Paul, Paul!
	I've got to close it off, and I want to give my guest and my co-host a final word.
	Brian.
	Brian.
	I haven't sat down and actually read a JFA book.
	I picked him up on my shelf, but I accept that it was a fraudulent event.
	We'll do something again.
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