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Sasha Latypova Interview with James Delingpole - May 18th 2024

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	I'm a big fan of your sub stack Thank you, and I think Well, you've come up with a lot of interesting stuff.
	Before we talk about that, just for those who don't know who you are, tell us a bit about yourself.
	Well, so I spent my career in pharmaceutical research and development.
	I was not known at all and I didn't want to be known.
	And I happily left the industry.
	I was doing just consulting a little bit and mostly enjoying myself and studying art.
	In 2020, when this whole fake pandemic started, and at that time I didn't know it was fake, but I wasn't worried about it either, because very early on it was clear that this is not a dangerous illness.
	And so I didn't understand why all the hoopla.
	I don't watch TV, so I wasn't exposed to brainwashing daily.
	Well, that's why I don't watch TV.
	And so by the time they started talking about mRNA technology as a vaccine, that's when I became extremely concerned because from my knowledge from the pharma industry, I knew how dangerous it was and toxic.
	And so the officials, the government officials, health authorities started pushing this whole idea that everybody will be vaccinated, that you need to get vaccine passports and all that.
	I was just taken aback and I started looking into the data for myself.
	From around, you know, middle, early to middle 2021, when the data started coming in about vaccine injuries and deaths that became extremely concerning, I started doing Weyer's analysis and I started publishing my findings.
	So my first finding was batch variability.
	So actually, I was the first in the world to identify this problem.
	I published it with the help of Dr. Mike Eden in the UK first, actually.
	And then from then on, I met up with this researcher, Craig Parody Cooper, and we collaborated on the website that he started.
	It's called How Bad Is Your Batch?
	So I don't know if you're familiar with that.
	But yeah, so we started it together.
	It's a bit scary, that, isn't it?
	I mean, for those who took, you know, for understandable reasons, I can't be doing with these people who say, well, it was their fault.
	They deserved it.
	They should never have taken that.
	And you're thinking, hang on a second.
	This was a military-grade psyop designed to bully, cajole, blackmail, whatever, people into taking this jab.
	Yeah, exactly.
	People were coerced.
	I don't buy it, you know, you didn't have to.
	Very few people in my position where I don't need to work or somebody who owns their own business, they don't really have to, but they were also coerced and there was this whole psyop going on and not everybody like me knows the technology and can read the regulatory documents for themselves.
	I don't buy it.
	People were completely deceived, first of all, and then coerced.
	The members of the military were physically taken down and injected.
	The U.S.
	were physically injected, you know, taken down and injected.
	So it's anywhere from... - The US military.
	- Yeah, or if they refused, they would get punished.
	They would be in the brig, for example, or, you know, punished in other ways, or discharged dishonorably, can't find a job, you know.
	So this is, you know, there was anywhere from just lying and, you know, the preference of the evildoers was, of course, to lie and have people volunteer, because you can't, you know, force everyone.
	But it was anywhere from just lying to actual forcing, you know.
	Yeah.
	I interrupted your biography.
	I mean, actually, the shorthand would have been to say, you are the American version of Mike Yeadon.
	You have that in common, don't you?
	Where are you from originally, by the way?
	Well, I'm from Ukraine, but I came to the US in the late 90s, and I came to study at Dartmouth College.
	And so, from then on, I worked, as I said, You know, the vast majority of my work was spent in pharma, R&D.
	I may have, you know, I kind of briefly, when Mike Eden started speaking against these vaccines, I was like, well, the name sounds familiar.
	We may have been on some conference calls together.
	Because Pfizer was my client for a long time.
	But I never met him before.
	We're now friends.
	I get the impression that your journey has been not dissimilar to Mike's because Mike started out, well I mean obviously having worked in the pharmaceutical industry for most of his working life, he naturally bought into the notion that there was such a respectable scientific field called virology And another one called Vaccinology, and that these were genuine solutions to a genuine problem.
	I've watched his eyes opening in the last three years, as mine have opened pretty much at the same pace, and I imagine it must have been a similar culture shock for you.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I believed vaccines prior to this.
	I now realize, obviously, how hugely evil this deception is.
	It's just systematic poisoning, basically.
	That's what it is.
	But at that time, I didn't have anything against vaccines in general.
	I just realized that they are pushing this extremely dangerous technology as a vaccine, and it wasn't a vaccine.
	Um, and so that was the very, very much, you know, wake up moment for me, because when you see the government officials who you previously trusted go on, on media and say out, you know, outright lies.
	And I was like, I can't believe this.
	Like I, I just, you know, and I know that they know that they're lying.
	Right.
	But so I was just like, I don't understand what's going on.
	Why are they lying?
	Why are they knowingly lying?
	and pushing all this, but I have to look into it for myself.
	So, since then, and then, yes, I also came to the conclusion, same as Mike, that this whole virology and vaccinology are completely fake sciences, and they have been faked for a long time for reasons of, you know, systematic poisoning, because they need to create children with cancer.
	They need to create children with autism, because billion-dollar industries depend on it, of, you know, fighting cancer and fighting autism.
	Now, I've never heard anyone say that before.
	I don't doubt what you're saying is true, but it hadn't really... You don't often hear people saying they are deliberately creating autistic children.
	Is that one of the side effects of vaccination?
	Oh yeah, it's one of the primary ones.
	And this is, we're talking before mRNA.
	Actually, the mRNA doesn't really, we don't have the autism with mRNA technology.
	We have, but we have everything else, cancer and death and cardiovascular myocarditis.
	But the previous ones, yes, so all of this vaccination schedule, It causes autism in children because of the poisoning, neurotoxicity and also destruction of what I, you know, after like looking into this and reading literature and history, what it does primarily destroys microbiome.
	And microbiome is everything in the human body because we have more microbial cells than human cells by cell count.
	By weight, we have more human cells.
	But there are many more bacterial cells.
	They're responsible for everything.
	They live in your gut and actually live everywhere in the sinuses, all sorts of areas.
	And they're responsible for everything, for making neurotransmitters, for making the metabolism, all sorts of things.
	So that's why vaccines cause diabetes.
	So that's why we have obesity.
	That's vaccines.
	And that's why we have autism, because it's a neurotoxin, they get into the brain, especially the metals, like aluminum was always a problem, but they replaced it with other things and metals, and they still get into the brain of the baby, and they still cause it in them.
	So, it is a destruction of a human, and it's very cruel, but they do it on purpose.
	They absolutely do it on purpose.
	Right.
	So it's the, okay, the aluminium you mentioned.
	What else is it within these jabs?
	What we found in the mRNA specifically, and a lot of attention has been given to DNA contamination in SV40 because that's extremely problematic.
	But I'm aware and I've been in touch with all kinds of researchers who've been testing these vials independently all over the world and aware of thousands of tests of these.
	Depending on what people have, like what kind of facilities they have, what kind of lab access.
	Not everybody can test DNA, but many people were able to test for heavy metals, and they found all sorts of metals that are not supposed to be there at all.
	The aluminum, titanium, the mercury, cadmium, these are all toxic lead, and antimony, which is a very rare metal used in semiconductor manufacturing, mostly in China.
	So, Also, all of these things are extremely poisonous.
	And then, of course, you know, there was all kinds of stuff that, you know, Kevin McKernan published.
	But even before Kevin found DNA, I had reports from Germany of finding DNA in these jobs hundreds of times over the limit.
	And, you know, and finding RNA that was never conforming to the specification.
	And now I know that they can't make it conforming to specification.
	It's very unstable.
	So, it's just a mess.
	It's a total mess, but it's very dangerous, because all of this can get into the cells.
	But some batches... Well, we're on the mRNA vaccines now.
	Some batches were worse than others because they had, what, more of these heavy metals and toxins?
	Sorry, you just disappeared for a second.
	Oh, did I?
	Can you repeat the question?
	Yes.
	The batches, the really bad batches, is it just that they contained more of all these dodgy substances?
	The connection is very bad, so I don't know what's going on here.
	It'll come back.
	Can you hear me now?
	Yes, uh-huh.
	The bad batches...
	Is it just that they contained more of these bad substances?
	Yeah, well, we don't know.
	Because... We don't know, because, you know, so the batches themselves, they scaled up.
	Even at the beginning, when they were coming out, smaller scale, they were something like... I mean... Yeah, it was something like 150,000 vials, and each vial was multidosed.
	And that's another thing that drives variability, because doses were manually prepared by untrained people, which is a complete violation of good manufacturing practices.
	Anywhere from 5 to 6 to 7 doses in one vial, and the 150,000 vials at the beginning, then they scaled up to, so ultimately Pfizer now went to continuous manufacturing, which is also, and they're just pouring together different batches and calling it the same.
	And it could be 4 million up to 12 million doses in one.
	And obviously you can't, you know, what I think was going on, because there was such huge variability, it was variability by geographies, they were splitting the batches, which is a common practice.
	This goes back to, YS was doing it, which is subsidiary of Pfizer now.
	But YS was doing it for their vaccine, CDC told them.
	So when they had like 20 deaths of children in one hospital from traditional vaccine manufactured by YS, well, CDC came up with a brilliant idea.
	They said you just need to split them better and send them to different locations so that you don't have a cluster of deaths in one place.
	Right.
	So, since then, this practice has been, you know, established in the vaccine industry.
	So, you avoid big clusters.
	But with these poisons, it was unavoidable.
	So, there were many instances of clusters of death.
	And as I said, we just don't know what particular toxicity means.
	It could mean that there are more Ingrid deadly ingredients crack identified at least in Europe.
	It was the freshness of it kind of had the driver So if it's freshly made So Belgium was kind of like ground zero.
	It was highest toxicity in Belgium because the plant is in Belgium.
	And then as you like move away from Belgium, you have lower and lower, but it was, you know, roughly like, you know, not very 100% predictive, but that was one of the drivers.
	If it's fresh, it's definitely deadly.
	Then there was, you know, yeah, so it could be Differences in ingredients.
	Then we found that Department of Defense was also fake relabeling and substituting smaller batches, like within a million doses batch, they throw in 30,000 doses.
	Relabeled.
	God knows where it's coming from.
	So they were doing that too.
	So that could be like introduction of more toxic smaller lots into larger lots and relabeling them.
	But we've caught DOD doing that and nobody got prosecuted for this.
	Right.
	So I suppose it's very hard to understand their motivation or rather what their exact intentions are.
	We just know We have the evidence of what they did.
	Well, we have the evidence of what they did, but at this point I call it murder.
	I call it premeditated murder because there is such a category of premeditated murder which is called depraved indifference.
	It's when you knowingly inflict harm and now we have them for several years knowing that these products cause excessive deaths and injury.
	And all they do is deny and continue, deny and continue.
	So it is a premeditated murder.
	Did you not think by now?
	I mean, I certainly did in my naive innocence.
	I thought that the story would have broken by now.
	It would have been impossible to keep the general public from realizing what went on.
	But it seems that even now the media has successfully held back the truth.
	The media, yes, that just tells you how many people believe what media says and they don't want to think.
	Actually, somebody on Substack, you know, I write on Substack, there are a lot of great writers on Substack, and somebody, I forget who, said, you know, I forget percentages, 20% of people can think, you know, 30% of people can think when they are explained, you know, the facts, and the rest, they would rather die than think.
	That's what's going on.
	Yeah, it is a bit depressing.
	By the way, I wanted to ask you, what do you think happened to... Do you think any politicians were injected?
	Or do you think it was only cabinet-level people who escaped, or what?
	How did they make sure that none of the kind of... The top people?
	Yeah.
	Well, it's interesting.
	So, it's notable that a bunch of high-level people did get injected, like Lloyd Austin, for example, head of the military in the US, definitely got the real deal.
	He has prostate cancer now.
	Francis Collins, also prostate cancer, got the real deal.
	He was the head of NIH.
	And behind this whole scheme.
	So he was the one who, for example, while he was still there, I know Senator Ron Johnson confronted at some point fairly early on in Congress.
	Privately, it wasn't in a public hearing.
	And he said, look, we have 3,000 deaths reported to VAERS.
	That was very early on.
	We have now 40,000 something.
	He said, like, we have 3,000 deaths reported to VAERS.
	This is very dangerous what's going on.
	And Francis Collis said, well, you know, people die.
	So he knew that they were going to kill and injure lots and lots of people, and he just did not care.
	And again, this is the depraved indifference that he demonstrated.
	This is their position.
	They knew it was going to happen.
	So, there are some examples of politicians getting injuries.
	So, I know one FDA person died on the Vaccine Approval Committee.
	So, she just died and nobody... They're like, okay.
	A young person.
	But I am pretty sure members of the royal family in the UK are being disposed of.
	And that's easy to explain because the communists, when they come to power, they always get rid of royalty.
	They cannot have monarchs.
	That's an alternative leadership structure.
	I'm not a supporter of royalty, but this is what's going on.
	When the global communism is getting established, they're going to get rid of the royal families, and they're doing it as we speak.
	Well, it's an interesting theory.
	I'm agnostic on this one.
	My own theory on the royal family is They've been very into things like homeopathy for a long time.
	I'm not sure that they've ever been on board with conventional medicine.
	I think when they...
	Pretended to have taken the vaccines.
	This was probably that means I had sorry not vaccines.
	They were lying Because I because I think that they are part of the problem I think that that you know, you talk about the royal families being executed like the Romanov's but actually I'm not sure that they're not part of the the problem the people who are running the world and are trying to kind of you know exterminate just like like vermin I think the rules are on board with this and
	They may be on board with this, but you know what, the people who do, who commit genocide, and again, this is coming from history of communism, I'm very familiar with, they also dispose of their, the elites also dispose of themselves, different factions, because it's an ultimate power grab.
	And oftentimes they see each other as a bigger problem than, you know, little people.
	Because they always think we'll get to little people, but the power struggles lead them to exterminate each other also.
	Well, I wasn't going to ask you this, but I may as well now we're here.
	Who do you think is behind all this?
	What do you reckon?
	Give me the big picture.
	Well, the big picture, I try to not speculate too much about the big picture, because what I see lacking is people looking at the immediate crime scene.
	And this is where I'm focusing.
	So I'll just describe what I know for sure, as far as the organizational structure of this crime.
	But then later on, there are some obvious things, but they're less obvious also.
	So you have to evaluate the immediate crime scene.
	In the immediate crime scene, you have a doctor, a pharmacist, or a nurse pushing the needle with poison into the person.
	So that's the henchman woman.
	Some of them are doing it willingly and knowingly.
	Actually, a lot of them are now.
	So after, again, three years of this, you can't have You can't have an excuse, oh, I just didn't know.
	They know.
	How do they know?
	Because they've seen... Because so many people drop dead in front of them already.
	And then a bunch of their patients died a few weeks after the booster.
	So you can't, as a trained professional, you have a standard by which you're judged, which is you are trained to detect these things.
	You can't call yourself a doctor.
	You're not just like somebody from the street, right?
	You can't call yourself a doctor, trained medical professional, and not being curious at all why young people drop that.
	Like, I walked into a grocery store where there's this pharmacy which was administering injections.
	There's a lot of young men lying on the ground.
	After injection.
	Nobody's concerned.
	Everybody's just like walking around him.
	Right?
	So, okay, anyway, so they have a standard.
	These people who are pushing the needles, they're murderers.
	Okay?
	They're, de facto, they're murderers.
	Now, the question is, was it, you know, somebody forced them, paid them, blackmailed them?
	You know, that's part of the investigation.
	But they did commit many, many murders and injuries, knowingly.
	And then the next layer is who paid them, who forced them, who blackmailed them, which is, you know, their hospital systems.
	Then we end up very quickly in the money that went into the system, which is all federal dollars in the US.
	And they specifically went through the Department of Defense.
	So this is a military operation.
	Department of Defense was in charge of it.
	Still is in charge of it.
	They claim that they are in charge of all of government.
	I just published on my Substack, they have this phrase, it's called whole-of-government approach.
	So in one press conference, which is about 45 minutes, this General Talley, who is the main spokesperson for the Operation Warp Speed, repeats whole-of-government about 12 times.
	It's like a tick.
	It's like Tourette's.
	Okay?
	And it's a very curious Tourette's, because they have They're running a military coup.
	We don't have constitutional government.
	He, the military guy, claims control of the whole of government.
	So, in the United States, we don't have anymore the three branches that, you know, check and balance each other.
	We have a military operation that subsumed the whole of government, all of the federal agencies.
	And so that's my primary focus.
	So it's the medical system that they're using to commit this mass murder, federal dollars, and the military structure that they're using to do this.
	Now, who is controlling them?
	That becomes a little fuzzier because I don't have documentation anymore.
	So all of this part I have extensively documented.
	The other part is, well, you can start guessing.
	Well, it's probably the central banks, the owners of the central banks.
	It's not the bank itself.
	The owners of the central banks, the people behind them, those families that control them, and private interests such as, let's say, Bill Gates, who funds most of WHO.
	You know, all of this obviously is being established through WHO now internationally.
	And so people who are behind WHO, which is a complete, it's a mafia, it's a total private interest driven organization, and so whoever is behind those, such as Bill Gates, Gavi, there are a bunch of other, you know, you can see who are the main funders of WHO, and those are the people I would start looking at more specifically.
	Why do you think The DoD is so heavily involved.
	Is it a kind of military operation against the people?
	Oh yes, it is definitely a military operation against the people.
	Their objective is to kill and injure as many as possible.
	Now why?
	Again, this becomes speculative.
	I just know that it is.
	The way it's all designed and pre-planned for years, for decades actually.
	You can't say that, you know, oh, they just accidentally, like, started all of a sudden making these vaccines.
	So, as far as the DoD, I have complete documentation of how long they planned it.
	Also, changes in the U.S.
	law.
	So, it's not just the DoD.
	It is, like he says, whole of government.
	So, the whole executive branch, different agencies, collaborated together and
	also captured Congress so that the Congress and you know Congress passes these thousand page bills nobody reads and so over time they've introduced all these changes in the law to enable them to kill as many and injure as many people under pretenses of public health emergency and never get anybody accountable so it's it's it's bulletproof it's complete like you can't do anything about it so yeah
	And am I right in thinking that because it's a military operation, the victims have no legal recourse against the people perpetrating it?
	Yes, exactly.
	So the nature of the laws, the way they've changed them, basically make civilians in the US and worldwide, this is being applied everywhere they're running this operation, The civilians and military personnel are treated as enemy combatants.
	The way this law is written.
	And the injections and other products, for example, there have been 400 different emergency use authorized COVID countermeasures.
	in the US and worldwide distributed.
	So all of these products are basically weapons.
	So they're purchased as weapons, they're financed as weapons, they have the same secrecy about them and the same amount of lying.
	And all of it is legal because just as in, you know, if somebody, if a country is fighting war somewhere and they, you know, shoot and kill enemy combatants, well, those soldiers are not Help liable because you know, they're fighting a war.
	Yeah, and so this is exactly how it's all and and when people try to litigate this as product liability as a pharmaceutical product liability They get thrown out of court and the judges and this has been going on for a long time judges, right?
	This is not experimental.
	This is not a medical experiment.
	This is not a clinical trial And so they actually write it all out, saying, no, no, no, it's not.
	But when you read it and you can say, well, what does it mean, really?
	Well, it means that they mean to kill you.
	You'd think, wouldn't you, Sasha?
	I mean, given the weight of evidence that you've got documentation showing these laws being voted through Congress, going back to what the 1940s, probably, and which means that every administration, whether Democrat or Republican,
	Is is um implicated in this even suppose good luck good guys like Ronnie Reagan good old, you know comedian Ronnie He was the one of the good guys.
	They were all at it You would have thought wouldn't you that this?
	story Would have carried some traction in America and elsewhere and and that you would be you would be the heroine for example of Of the of the ordinary American citizen But it but it hasn't happened has it?
	No, and I don't actually expect it to happen because I see you know, as I said people prefer to prefer to At this point, because the deception has gone for so long, everyone is involved.
	To accept the truth, you have to accept that you have injured your child, just as I did.
	You know, I vaccinated my children.
	I was lied to.
	Yeah, I wasn't smart enough to figure it out until 2020.
	And I know my children are injured.
	You know, so every parent has to, and I see vaccine injury in every family.
	Every family I know, they have vaccine injured children.
	And this is, we're talking traditional ones.
	I also know several, you know, several now who, who's 18 year old has cancer from Pfizer.
	I have a friend dying of cancer right now, also from Pfizer.
	And I have several friends who had heart surgeries and, you know, pacemakers and stuff like that.
	So, we all know so many injured people, pretty much everyone, pretty much, you know, two sorts of people, you know, they are vaccine injured, whether with traditional ones or current ones.
	Yes, that's true.
	Just dealing with the traditional vaccine injured first, what sort of injuries are you seeing there?
	For the traditional, so the obvious ones are, you know, this is not in my family, but obvious ones are autism.
	All kinds of and Asperger's spectrum, right?
	So they might not be fully autistic, but you know, you know, there's a little bit of a dysfunction there.
	The disautonomias, various disautonomias, like all these, you know, there's a lot of the anxiety, the neurological damage, variety of neurological damage, obesity.
	Childhood obesity is vaccine injury because your metabolism is destroyed.
	And that's what happens.
	Because, you know, if you look at the, you know, when I was growing up, everybody was skinny.
	We all ate sugar and, you know, pirozhki and ice cream all the time.
	Like, wasn't anything different in the diet, really?
	Like, the diet was worse, probably, but nobody was overweight.
	Childhood, also another injury is asthma.
	It's very often.
	Allergies.
	All kinds of food allergies.
	All the food allergies are because vaccines contain proteins.
	Variety of contaminants in traditional vaccines are different proteins.
	So it's gluten, corn, soy, chicken.
	I know a person who is allergic to almost all food.
	Because she was vaccinated when she was pregnant.
	And she almost cannot eat anything.
	She's allergic to chicken, she's allergic to soy, to corn.
	I mean, it just goes...
	So, all kinds of things like that.
	Pretty much everyone is injured.
	Can any of these things be reversed?
	Well, I think there's a lot of interest... Well, my personal hypothesis, you know, I don't... This needs to be tested, obviously, and studied.
	There's very little investment in this kind of science.
	But personal hypothesis is you need to restore microbiome.
	And restore proper flora, gut flora.
	And I know that, for example, there's been some success in treating autism this way, in even curing it in some cases.
	It just depends on how difficult it is.
	But there is practically no NIH funding that goes into it.
	And even worse, They now want to vaccinate all the animals with mRNA vaccines.
	And it's not that we're going to be eating it.
	It's just that they will be destroying the microbiome of the animals in the food supply.
	It's evil, isn't it?
	It's absolutely evil.
	Also, they're just approving mRNA pesticide.
	I mean, are they going to be pouring it into the lakes?
	Like, what's going on?
	Yeah, these people are... I mean, you see bad guys in the movies, and obviously they use the movies to show us what they're doing, to a degree.
	Predictive programming, and revelation of the method, and so on.
	But I'm not sure that any movie captures the pure evil.
	Yeah, no movie catchers.
	Somebody needs to make a movie.
	Well, actually, there was one movie which was kind of suppressed in the US.
	The name escapes me right now, but it was recent.
	I think Toby Rogers published a review of it.
	So there was a movie which was shown in very few independent theaters, but it was about the banality of evil.
	It's a movie about a German concentration camp, except they never show the concentration camp, you only hear the sounds from it.
	And the rest of the film is this family of the German officer that lives nearby and they're just like, you know, he comes home from work and goes by there like, you know, happy little life and everything is pretty and nice and there's a little garden and children and it's about... that's what you've been saying, you know, right?
	So given my story and I can defend it in the court of law, it's true.
	You would think that people would wake up and be... No, they want to be that German officer, these doctors that vaccinate children all day long and get bonuses for vaccinating children all day long.
	No, they just want to come home and be respectful and be loved and be pillars of the community.
	But what they do is they're poisoning children all day.
	Yes, they want to live in the matrix.
	They want to take the blue pill which prevents them having to analyze anything.
	Or what I would call, they want to live within the beast system.
	Everyone pretty much is part of the beast system because they've made the moral choices which are necessary, or the immoral choices which are necessary to become part of it.
	Yeah.
	I've got to ask you, have you had any pushback?
	Because, I mean, there's not a very... Whistleblowers in the pharmaceutical industry tend to have quite unhappy outcomes.
	I mean, do you worry about that?
	Well, no, I don't worry about that.
	I don't worry about anything.
	I'm not scared.
	I'm not worried.
	I have a great life.
	I don't work for pharma, so I'm not in the industry.
	I left the industry.
	What are they going to do?
	Everything I have is in public documents and it's all published.
	I don't have anything secret.
	That's why I continue doing what I'm doing.
	It has generated some response.
	People are much more aware now.
	When, you know, even amongst my, or I'm sure your friends, you know, people who got initially bamboozled and got injected are no longer planning to, and even though they don't discuss this, clearly their mind has changed about this.
	Yes, although what I find generally is that people will go so far, but then no further.
	So they will now, they've reluctantly come to accept that yes, it may have been a mistake to take the vaccines, but when you talk to them about things like
	weather manipulation or the war on farming or I mean all the different methods that they are using to Bring about a kind of new world order in which we are either dead or slaves people Won't really take that Imaginative leap they'd rather be stuck in the in the the paradigm where it's all going to be back to normal soon and
	Yeah, because again that's what their TV tells them and they continue believing it although I mean I think that there's sort of the crack in the armor but and we should continue that's why we should continue speaking we should continue speaking and bringing the evidence and people so right now for example in the US they're trying to yes they're going after the food supplies so they're fear-mongering with this avian flu It's just nonsense.
	It's BS.
	And jumping from birds to cows.
	An asymptomatic cow has tested positive and therefore now, so from today actually, they are forced, well I don't know how it's enforced, but the Department of Agriculture issued order to test all the animals, the cows that are being transported state to state, test for this You know, bird flu.
	This is just nonsense.
	It's complete nonsense.
	But that's how they're going to go after small farmers for whom it's hard to comply.
	Or they can just fake test and assign, oh, your farm is now designated avian flu outbreak where nobody is sick.
	Yes.
	And of course it's also a war on all those people who want to keep chickens at home, thinking that that can somehow... I think in Scotland now it is illegal not to register your chicken ownership with the regime, which is extraordinary.
	So the drop of a hat, they can send their boot boys round to kill your chickens on the flimsiest of pretexts.
	Yeah.
	And so the longer this continues, I mean, people will wake up.
	The problem is what they do after they wake up.
	And are they going to join the evil now openly?
	So that remains to be seen.
	This is, yeah, this is exactly what's going on.
	They're just going after everything, the food supply, the weather, the poisoning, you know.
	I mean, it's total mayhem.
	Are you old enough to remember the Soviet Union, when you grew up?
	Yes.
	Up to what age did you experience life like that?
	Well, so when it collapsed, I was 19 or something Something that your childhood was all was all spent under the iron boot of communism.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah And and what and how was it for you?
	I mean I should say It it's like in practical terms it wasn't so bad I I don't think I was old I mean I We kind of understood, so this was the end of the period, so it wasn't as repressive as, let's say, in the 50s or 60s.
	So, in the 80s, it was already like, well, my family didn't believe in it, but it was just kind of like, ha-ha-ha, mostly making fun of them.
	But, so yeah, and it wasn't as repressive.
	It was just like a lot of BS in school, like this, you know, same as this DEI agenda.
	It's Marxism, but kind of like in a different wrapper.
	And so also they have like all kinds of brainwashing classes, which we would like try to skip on.
	And, you know, so it was kind of like that.
	And then, but then, you know, the living conditions were very, very poor.
	And you know when it collapsed it was really bad Yes To the point where some people were sort of longing for the old regime because at least you knew where you were and all that Well, yes, especially I would say older generation because they all counting on and you know, that's that's when I I My biggest lesson was never trust the government after that.
	Because what happened with the older people who were all planning, you know, you had guaranteed retirement, you had guaranteed free health care, free everything, right?
	And so when you were, you know, in your late 50s or early 60s and the system collapses, you don't have anything anymore.
	You don't have any savings because, well, you were paid little money and promised full retirement.
	So you didn't even have a way to save money.
	You couldn't own really anything.
	And so now it's gone.
	And so is all of your security, right?
	So literally like people had no money whatsoever, no retirement.
	Even if something was paid, it inflated hugely.
	So, like, I was a student in college, in the university at that time, and before the Soviet Union collapsed, you know, students, if you had above C, C grade, like A or B, the government would pay you stipend, which was about 40% of, like, what workers at the plant were paying.
	So it was, like, a little money, but you could rent a room, you could have some food.
	And when, after it collapsed, that money wouldn't buy you a subway token.
	So, that's how inflation was.
	People literally didn't have anything to pay their bills or eat.
	We had university professors driving cars.
	I had a friend who was a surgeon, OBGYN surgeon.
	She was cleaning offices.
	That's how it was.
	So that's how you trust the government and then the government decides that they need to reset the currency.
	I think you're describing our near future, I'm afraid.
	Oops, sorry.
	Are you disappearing again?
	All right.
	Can you hear me?
	Um, you there?
	Oops.
	I can't hear it.
	Uh, can you not hear me?
	I can see you.
	I hear you now, yes.
	I think you're describing our near future, I was going to say.
	We're going to have a collapse of the Soviet Union.
	For example, nobody is going to get paid their pensions, their state pensions that they imagine.
	which is a fiction anyway, is bankrupt.
	You've said, and presumably this is something you wouldn't have said when you were studying to join the pharmaceutical industry, you've said that pandemics are all fake, that it makes no scientific sense, because if pandemics work, we wouldn't be here, we'd all die.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, pandemics never happen.
	So what these people, and generally, like right now, the reason they changed all the definitions of epidemics and, you know, in the public health, it used to be that you would call something epidemic after the fact, because you couldn't
	say oh you know this person the sniffing is now going to be uh you know this particular thing is going to be now uh all over the country and it's going to be epidemic so you could only you can only technically do it afterwards declare something an epidemic or a pandemic So after you've collected the data of how many people got sick, how many people died, what economic impact, then you can say, oh yeah, okay, this was a big event and there was a pandemic.
	But notice none of this is happening right now.
	What they're doing is they're prospectively announcing.
	So there's one cow that they tested.
	Cow is not sick.
	They just derived some sort of PCR test from it, and they're saying, we are now in the avian flu pandemic, and from today, from Monday, everyone must test all of the cows that they're transporting.
	So this is nonsense!
	You know, and they did the same with COVID, by the way.
	So, and I've written about this.
	So, COVID was announced, national security threat, on February 4th by the DoD.
	Who then called Pharma and told them that.
	So on February 4th, 2020, DoD decides this is a national security threat.
	Based on what?
	On nothing!
	There was no cases, there was, I mean, maybe there were some cases, like 11 cases in the U.S.
	That's nothing.
	We have 300 million people population.
	Nobody died.
	Again, we have some common cold cases.
	And all of a sudden, the U.S.
	government says it's a national security threat.
	Again, how do they know?
	Because they want to change the definition of pandemics to be whenever we say it is a pandemic.
	And that's how the laws are written.
	So it's not a post-factum.
	It's not based on any real mortality, any real illness, any real economic impact.
	It's all based on their declaration of it.
	And they declare and then they proceed to all this fascism.
	Uh, that they've written into the law.
	Okay.
	So, so that's, that's how, that's how that, and historically people, people say, Oh, you know, Spanish flu, um, Spanish flu wasn't, uh, a pandemic.
	It was a lot of it was vaccination driven because us, uh, forcing injected all kinds of really bad vaccines into military.
	And it was millions of military send all over the world plus malnutrition plus effects of the war.
	famine, tuberculosis, all sorts of things that they just then post-facto declared it was Spanish flu.
	It wasn't.
	I also found the documents, proceedings of the International Sanitary Convention, which was predecessor to WHO, and from 1922, which was like three years after the supposedly Spanish flu happened, they don't mention it once.
	It wasn't... It did not... And this was published in British Medical Journal, by the way.
	Really?
	So you're suggesting... Because I've always found something slightly nebulous about Spanish flu.
	I remember when I first became interested in it and tried reading up about it, and there was stuff that just didn't make sense.
	It was... I mean, supposedly it killed more people than the First World War.
	And you thought there'd be a lot of kind of evidence about this and it'd be well documented.
	But are you suggesting then that it was sort of cooked up later?
	It was sort of invented after the fact?
	It was invented after the fact to cover up a lot of things and to, you know, propagandize again this sort of viral illness.
	I think for many nefarious purposes because so as I said you know like immediately when you read the proceedings of International Sanitary Convention becomes obvious that they didn't they didn't think it was anything worth mentioning so there they spend you know six months discussing cholera and sanitation of the ships and so they're mostly concerned with cholera and some other
	Also, similarly, bacterial and water-related illnesses that can cause local outbreaks, because if your water is polluted, people will get poisoned.
	So they're spending a lot of time discussing this.
	This is delegates from a dozen countries.
	Nobody ever mentioned Spanish flu and this just supposed to just have killed like 50 million people.
	What are we told?
	Yeah, so anyway, so I was like, okay, this is this is fabricated But I think I think so there's then there's a lot of other authors Roman Bistrinuk, I don't know if you talked to him Has a lot of historical... He's written a book and he's done extensive, extensive research about, like, historical claims of pandemics, like smallpox and, you know, other things.
	Oh, I want to get him on the podcast.
	Yeah, you should definitely get him.
	He's... Definitely.
	Yeah, huge amount of knowledge on this.
	Does he deal with the Black Death?
	And the Black Death, I think also... Yeah, I can also tell you about the Black Death.
	The Black Death is a bacterial illness.
	So, plague is a bacterial illness spread supposedly by rat bites and fleas that live on the rats.
	So, it really is an effect when, you know, crowding into the cities, in the medieval cities, crowding, lack of sanitation, they don't have clean water, The animals live with people in the same buildings, and so animal waste and human waste gets into the water.
	Then there is infestation with rats, and rats, you know, they're, so they're bites, rats and mice, and so they're bites and fleas that live on them.
	They cause this infection.
	Also, you know, obviously when people live in these conditions, their immune system is very, very compromised.
	Um, so then you have these outbreaks, but they, but they, they, they're not pandemics because even the, you know, London plague, uh, the, I forget in 1600s, when was Newton?
	1665.
	Yes.
	So, so Newton, Isaac Newton just moved out.
	Uh went into a village a little bit away and lived happily ever after so it's not a pandemic It's it's concentrated in that in that area where the water is polluted, right?
	So and it's treatable by antibiotics Which they didn't have Which they didn't have but we do have now and we have cases of plague in the us We have like 20 cases of plague a year and it's all treated by antibiotics.
	We don't have pandemics Where are you on?
	viruses.
	Are they real?
	Well, so, you know, I can speak to both groups, the ones that talk about viruses and the ones that talk about no viruses.
	So, I think viruses, basically, it's mostly a model.
	It's a model, okay?
	So, same actually as DNA.
	People don't realize that The DNA is also a mathematical model.
	Nobody has isolated, purified, and imaged DNA either.
	Right.
	But, yeah, so DNA and RNA, they're models, and then based on the DNA and RNA sequences, they hypothesize viruses, but which, I believe, things like that exist in reality, but it's communications of the cells.
	Humans expel all kinds of messages, including electromagnetic light, we emit light, and chemical, biochemical, which is these RNA, DNA messages.
	This is what dogs smell, by the way, that's how they know what's what.
	How they can smell cancer.
	And they can smell cancer because your messaging will be different.
	And they can also smell different illnesses.
	So these messages that get emitted from our cells, they communicate between the cells to maintain the human body and its processes, but also get emitted into the environment.
	We detox or it's just stuff that we don't need anymore, so it flies out.
	It's innocuous, there is no transmission of disease that way.
	But, you know, the science kind of captured their ability to detect these signals in sequencing, which also has a lot of problems with it.
	But, let's say, you know, they detect something and their designation of this something as a pathogen.
	So that's what I have a problem with.
	I think the signals exist.
	I think the signals are a normal They're mostly benign.
	They may get involved in the disease process, but that's an area that hasn't been studied well.
	But this whole designation of it as, oh, here's a pathogen just because I can sequence it.
	Yeah.
	That's BS.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Is it your contention that the whole of the pandemic was just I'm going to publish several articles on this coming up on my sub stack, so I will explain my position better in those articles.
	But basically what I think is a mistake is to assign the same cause to COVID illness and COVID death.
	Just because media tells you it's both COVID doesn't mean they have the same cause.
	So, so, uh, COVID illness was real in at least in some percentage of people who were designated COVID cases.
	Uh, so a lot of them was recategorized flu and normal seasonal, um, flu and cold, but some of them were, There were real novel symptoms.
	So, you have to look at the disease and diagnostics by symptoms, not by PCR.
	So, just by symptoms, we know that there were a substantial number of people, including myself, experienced really, really bizarre symptomology, and I'm over 50 years old, and I've had a lot of flu and common cold in my life.
	That's not it.
	Okay, so we know there's some difference there.
	And then COVID death is a different causation entirely.
	COVID death was largely capture-kidnap in the hospitals, false diagnose with PCR.
	And then murder protocols.
	And I've written about this, also experienced this with my family.
	They nearly tried to kill my mother-in-law with this protocol in the hospital.
	But I know in the UK they did midazolam, ventilators, starvation, dehydration.
	This is just capturing murder in the hospital.
	So what you're saying is that people during the panic, they went to hospital for a test, thinking, oh, I'm not sure.
	The hospital said, it looks like you've got a bad case of COVID.
	You better stay here.
	And then the National Health Service in the UK or other institutions elsewhere, essentially murdered these people using midazolam, the death pathway drug, Or put them on ventilators, which destroys the lungs is the last thing you... Is that generally how it worked?
	Yeah.
	So the protocol is, you know, that we experienced it actually not in 2020, in 2023, end of 2023.
	So they're still doing this in the US.
	I don't know about the UK, but upstate New York.
	So I'm going to talk about my own experience with it.
	Upstate New York hospital, Rochester, New York Highland hospital system.
	Uh, my elderly mother-in-law, uh, went in with, uh, what looked like bad flu or pneumonia.
	Uh, so she had trouble breathing.
	She had mucus in her lungs, uh, tested negative for COVID.
	They still stuck her into the COVID ward.
	So once you were in the COVID ward, that's, that's, that's really scary.
	So normal, and in the U S these COVID wards were federally funded, staffed by different staff.
	Uh, and, uh, you know, so once they push you in there, so the protocol is they, they try to dehydrate her ever, whichever way they, they said, we don't have juice.
	Uh, we ran out of it.
	We don't give her what we don't give her IV fluids.
	We were asking, why are you not giving IV fluids?
	They send, um, they send a representative to talk to the family, to gaslight the family who says in this hospital, we only treat COVID.
	We don't treat your other conditions.
	We're like, she has blood pressure, elderly person.
	She has blood pressure problems.
	She has, you know, she needs to have, no, no, we, we don't give her, her blood pressure medication because we only treat COVID.
	And, you know, can you imagine?
	So then, then they, so they try to dehydrate the person because that's a way to get them sicker, especially elderly.
	Um, and then they, then they push remdesivir.
	So we, we knew about this.
	We put in the chart, no remdesivir.
	But they still were coming in and trying to sneak her remdesivir.
	Remdesivir shuts down kidneys and causes fluid buildup in the lung and then they call it COVID and then they put them on ventilator.
	So once they started doing that, we figured out a way to get her out of there because I was freaking out and I was hiring lawyers.
	You know, but many people were not that lucky.
	And I know, you know, several people, well, I know a lot of people through my work, but some horrific cases, especially they were doing it to disabled people and children with Down syndrome and other disabilities who couldn't advocate for themselves.
	And they would, yeah, so I know one, Rebecca Charles, also publishes on Substack, her 28-year-old daughter with disability was murdered like this.
	And she was murdered with narcotics, with fentanyl.
	They gave her fentanyl IV.
	The fentanyl patch was enough to kill a horse.
	You know, so that's how they were doing it.
	And so that's your COVID death, which is, I'm saying, causality of COVID death is murder.
	Causality of COVID case, most of it is recategorized flu.
	Some of it were synthetic toxins.
	That's my position, that they were distributing some synthetic toxins to seed the panic with some unusual symptoms and give it realism.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	How did they spread these synthetic toxins?
	Oh, that's normal.
	I've also published a huge list of documented cases by mainstream media of US government deploying different tests on unsuspecting public of biological, chemical, and psychological weapons.
	Those are fairly straightforward.
	Aerosolized spraying on subways, spraying from drones now is easier.
	They used to use airplanes.
	HVAC systems in buildings, in hotels.
	Right.
	Well, it's fairly well known.
	So when your mother-in-law was kidnapped effectively, you knew what was going on?
	Yes.
	You knew straight away?
	Because I know that remdesivir is known as run, death is near.
	Yes.
	In the medical profession.
	Yeah.
	But how difficult was it to engineer your mother-in-law's escape?
	It was difficult because, well, obviously she's not feeling well and we were trying to, so my husband, her son was going, so because we knew that She was stuck in the COVID ward.
	So he got power of attorney so that he could advocate and make decisions for her.
	Otherwise, if you don't have power of attorney, that's it.
	You're stuck.
	They are making decisions for you.
	So he was constantly there.
	He was going into the ward.
	They also tried to prevent you from going there, but Like in 2023, they couldn't really stop him.
	In 2020, they did not let family in and they would even restrain the patient and it was just awful.
	This time, like he was going in every day, several times a day.
	They would make it difficult for him, but they couldn't really stop him.
	And so he would go and see that she doesn't have juice and go and buy her juice and bring it.
	You know, constantly like pester them about her meds that they were not filling.
	You know, advocate all the time.
	They were hiding their names, by the way.
	These people.
	The staff in the hospital?
	The staff, yeah.
	They had badges with first name only.
	And then they would even like turn them around so you can't see them.
	And, you know, they wouldn't tell us their names.
	There was a lot of really bad stuff going on and eventually she started feeling a little bit better and we just basically you know we're like we're discharging her and you can you can discharge yourself and so so we we got her out we got her private uh care to come into the home and and she's doing okay now um But yeah, it was very, very scary.
	And you could see how they were, especially when you know, you see that they're doing it and they are knowingly doing it.
	No, they're doing it.
	Yes.
	See, this is the weird thing.
	So I, throughout COVID, I hate to call it COVID because that's their term, but throughout the fake pandemic, I used to break lockdown by going to this, the only riding school in my neighbourhood which stayed open and we said, you know, the horses need exercising, we can't not do it.
	So I was, throughout this whole nonsense, I was telling Pete, I was not wearing a mask, I was saying, this is all Don't take the vaccine.
	Don't do all this.
	This is fake.
	It's just a lie.
	I woke up quite quickly.
	In the very early stages, I believed it.
	I saw the stuff out of China.
	I saw people dropping dead.
	I read the newspapers at that stage and I believed it.
	But then very quickly I changed.
	And I made it my mission, particularly with parents, to say to them, do not vaccinate your daughters.
	Don't do it.
	And I think I may have saved one or two of them, at least.
	And I got treated with a sort of amused... like I was an amusing character.
	And one of my fellow riders lost Both her parents to this, you know, allegedly to COVID.
	And this was presented to me as evidence that, well, James, yes, you may think that COVID doesn't exist, but here is.
	I won't mention her name and she lost both her parents.
	So I said, I asked her about this and I said, well, what happened?
	She said, oh, well, we had somebody, somebody came around to the house and he must have been carrying COVID and he infected both of them.
	And they were, they went to hospital and then in the next few days they were dead.
	And I was thinking, this really doesn't make sense.
	And so now, of course, what you say, it makes perfect sense that certain vulnerable people, I mean, like vulnerable to the lie, went into hospital in good faith for routine tests and ended up being killed knowingly, you are arguing, because they couldn't not have known, could they, because they couldn't not have known, could they, these people?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, I would say, you know, early in, in early 2020, you know, for the first, let's say 10, 10 patients, you can't blame a doctor because they are given, you know, they think that they're given the best protocol that exists to treat people.
	But after you are, you know, seven out of your 10 patients die, Well, either it's just that we've got dirty internet, probably me rather than you, or it's they don't want this stuff to get out.
	This happens very often on my Zooms, I don't know why.
	I get it as well.
	But I get it particularly on ones to do with, well, sensitive topics like this, but also anything to do with God, anything to do with religion.
	I find that the demonic forces Interfere because because they care because they control they Now with something I wanted to ask you oh, yeah So this this morning or was it possibly yesterday I was having a usual spat on Twitter with people
	Who are getting all excited about lab leak theory and about how this this this evil virus escaped from the labs and and and I said this is all this is all bollocks.
	This is just this is just normie level understanding of it.
	It's all part of the site.
	They want you to think that it's escaped out of the lab, but it's all fake and somebody said Ah, but what about the labs in Ukraine?
	What about these bioweapons labs that we read about?
	Are you saying they don't exist?
	And I'm saying, well, not quite.
	I'm sure they exist, but just tell me about the bioweapons labs.
	Yeah, so, sorry, like, it's freezing again.
	I can hear you.
	Yeah, anyway, so the biolabs in Ukraine.
	First of all, this whole notion of bioengineered viruses, viruses that escape from a lab, yeah, this is part of the narrative in the SIOP.
	Have people constantly scared so that they can say, OK, well, yeah, we lied about this being a natural zoonotic pandemic.
	But really, the national security was because China attacked us or, you know, they released some scary virus from Ukraine.
	So that's like a fallback lie.
	So if the first lie falls, they have a few more scenarios that people are prepared.
	Now, all of this is a lie because nobody can make viruses in the lab.
	As I said, viruses, it's a theoretical model.
	They only exist as theoretical models.
	In fact, I'm just now reviewing Ralph Baric's work and I'm going to publish about, there's so much to read and go through.
	He wrote a really good paper in 2006.
	And he's actually a very lucid, very good writer.
	And so in this paper, this is like a 50 page paper, where he explained that you can't actually make viruses in the lab.
	Because to make a virus, even in theory, you need to have Or, you know, if you want to make, let's say, a deadly virus or some dangerous virus, which is always their goal, right?
	So you need to have the exact sequence without any mistakes.
	And these, the viruses, even though they're like postulated the smallest part of, they're not even considered living, but of nature, right?
	They're huge.
	These are huge molecules.
	Thousands of base pairs.
	And when you do the sequencing to try to identify what the sequence is, you always come up with... there is like a rate of error all the time.
	So he said, you know, just to get to the sequence without errors, the sequence for THE virus that will cause some disease or some problem, you need to have this error-free sequence.
	Nobody has it.
	Even if you do have it, Now you need to synthesize it.
	So one thing is to just take something apart and see what components are and make it all accurate.
	The second part is like, well, how can you now make this sequence synthetically?
	And you come up with the same problem.
	Your processes are error-prone.
	So to reconstruct this sequence now synthetically is an impossibility.
	Now, okay, let's assume you got the sequence accurately and you did synthesize it without errors.
	Well, it falls apart immediately because these are huge molecules and they're unstable.
	So to stabilize it now, you have to, you know, dedicate huge amounts of resources to stabilizing it.
	And then the next problem is to make it in quantity.
	So not only once, but consistently all the time, right?
	And then you need to infect somebody.
	And they've tried and tried and it doesn't work.
	And let's assume you did infect somebody, right?
	Then that person, you know, their theory goes that person gets bit by a monkey, you know, like movie outbreak and contagion and all that.
	So bit by a monkey and then everybody in the world gets sick and dies.
	That's nonsense because, you know, even if one person gets sick and let's say they throw off some toxins and secondary shedding, And always secondary cases are much milder.
	And then the tertiary don't exist.
	So it doesn't travel.
	It doesn't spread.
	So this whole notion of leaking an engineered virus from a lab and then infecting the whole world is BS.
	Total BS.
	So, and Ralph Baric elegantly explained it.
	Now, what they do do, is they figured out, like, out of this whole thousands and thousands of base pairs, wires... So, let's think of it, like, I explained it, like, as a shark.
	If you're a scientist, you study a shark, and you figure out that the most dangerous part of the shark is the teeth.
	So then you're like, okay, well, I don't need the entire shark.
	I only need the teeth.
	I can synthetically make the teeth.
	I can also modify them in different ways, right?
	I can make bigger and wider and sharper and, you know, both sides.
	Okay, so now I have this engineered tooth of the shark and now I can hypothesize a shark And put it into our database and say, okay, this tooth that I made, it came from this shark that's part shark and part dragon.
	Right?
	And then, because you don't know any better, like, I just, like, snowed you, right?
	With this, with this database.
	But it's a scientific database.
	And then I say, and then I'm going to make it in Ukraine.
	And I'm going to release it from there.
	So that's all that it amounts to.
	They make toxins, which is like teeth of the shark.
	Those are small.
	Those can be made sort of stable.
	And they make toxins.
	They're like around 90 kilodaltons.
	And they can, you know, combine them and modify them.
	So the toxins they can make, more or less.
	And then they hypothesize.
	And so the toxin is the spike protein.
	So they can synthetically make spike protein.
	More or less consistently and then they're saying this spike protein came from this dragon Breathing shark, which we put into the gen bank and that's our SARS-CoV-2 virus That's how this works.
	Do you think the scientists in these labs, do they know they're completely wasting everybody's time?
	Is it just a They're so, you know, like, and I've worked with scientists a lot.
	They're so narrow in their, like, in the whole specialty and doing PhD and, you know, they're very, very narrow in what they do.
	And so they're, and they're trained also to not question, to not go across disciplines.
	And kind of like, so they're told, you know, this model is real.
	And so many people just work on little, little piece, little task.
	So what I found Barrick actually understands the bigger picture and can articulate it very well.
	So people like Barrick, they know what they're doing.
	Most of the scientists, they're just like working on their narrow piece and they think that what's in the GenBank is actually, you know, you can actually make it synthetically and it will infect somebody.
	But it's nonsense.
	As I said, you can't.
	It makes errors.
	And RNA viruses in particular, they're hugely error-prone.
	So it's just all theoretical.
	There's a certain kind of truther, if you like, who thinks that all this stuff that's going on is happening in the West and in China, but that somehow Putin Is is the good guy because he's standing up for Christian values and and and and stuff and that Russia was the exception but I'm not sure that's true.
	Is it that the the the vaccines would just as much enforced in Russia was elsewhere.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah, and they are the same vaccines.
	It's a knockoff of AstraZeneca.
	They're Sputnik.
	It's the same thing.
	Yeah.
	You see, I mean, I've heard it presented to me by some, you know, a sort of semi-admirer of Putin that, yeah, of course he had to produce the Sputnik vaccine in order to... This was a victory against the Western pharmaceutical complex because... It doesn't work, does it?
	I mean, they're all part of the game, aren't they, these people?
	These people are all part of the game.
	Putin specifically, he's KGB.
	You never ex-KGB, like you never ex-CIA.
	He's been installed by the same controllers and has been head of Russia for all this time.
	I don't follow him very much, except I see that they're implementing the same The same programs like, you know, vaccines and central bank, digital currency, biometric surveillance, all the, all this, uh, pandemic, uh, fear mongering nonsense.
	I mean, they're just, you know, marching along with the rest of the, of the cabal.
	Yeah.
	He probably wants to have his own fiefdom to control.
	So he doesn't necessarily, I think the fight is between the elites, as I said, I mean, they, they may fight each other for ultimate, you know, piece of the pie.
	And so I think that's what's going on.
	But he's not defender of the people or anything.
	Yes.
	No, I don't think there are any white hats.
	And I think probably that Trump is not the good guy that I was thinking about this when you mentioned about the DoD.
	Have you come across this theory which some of the kind of QAnon Trump supporters espouse?
	Which is that in the last days of his presidency Trump enacted various legislation, which meant that the entire Biden administration is not real and that actually since the end of the Trump presidency, the US has been under kind of emergency military control.
	I mean, I'm not sure where I am on this theory, but it would sort of make sense of the DoD's sort of behavior that it is the government.
	Well, but that was not from the end of his presidency.
	It was, well, since at least the February 4th, 2020.
	It's been military coup.
	And he has been there.
	That's what I mean.
	I'm suggesting that is it not possible that Trump was part of this ongoing military coup against the American people?
	I think so.
	I mean, so, like, I can point to a couple of things showing that he was probably deceived.
	Not entirely, but, like, some key things he didn't know, and this is clear in early 2020.
	So, for example, he changed abruptly his position on lockdowns.
	So he was resisting lockdowns for quite some time.
	Then around March 10th or 11th, I forget.
	Actually, Jeffrey Tucker from Brownstone Institute did a really good article on this.
	He looked through Trump's tweets about lockdowns.
	And so he was resisting, resisting, resisting.
	Then after March 10th, abruptly he makes a U-turn and says, Oh yeah, we're going to lock down.
	So, so he got, he, he was, he, somebody got to him.
	At that time, probably CIA and DOD told him some BS story about bioengineered virus that escaped from Wuhan, and he went into lockdown.
	But then on March 20th, he's also visibly surprised by Mike Pompeo's comment on video saying, we're in live exercise, and he blurts out, oh, you should have told us.
	So, obviously, still on March 20th, 2020, he still quite doesn't understand what's going on.
	But then, since then, because he went all in on these beautiful vaccines and won't shut up about them, like, still, he's saying, oh, they save millions of lives, they're so amazing.
	So, he clearly got, you know, either blackmailed or given a deal or some sort of You know, started collaborating with them or was collaborating with them.
	I don't know, but he's on board with this.
	Yes.
	I don't see how anyone who is awake can imagine that the solution is a man who was behind Operation Warp Speed and who continues to promote the vaccines as a health benefit.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	And I'm now reviewing and publishing on DoD, Operation Warp Speed, press events throughout 2020.
	And it's a, oh my God.
	I can't even be like, it's really hard to listen to so much BS.
	And these people are either extremely dumb or... I just don't understand how they can, with a straight face, say these things and still call themselves professionals.
	I don't know, are their degrees fake?
	Or what's the explanation for this?
	But it's just an incredible amount of information, especially in retrospect, looking at it now.
	I mean, you're exceptional in that you're, like Mike Eden, you're one of the very, very few people from your industry who has come around to understanding the truth and talking about it.
	All those of your former colleagues and all those who are still in the industry pushing this poison, from your understanding of it, is it the money?
	Is it that they believe in... because they've been so effectively brainwashed?
	Are they just... does it attract naturally corrupt people or what?
	Well, also the industry has changed quite a bit.
	So it used to be populated by people like my kid and much more, at least in my experience.
	And that was, let's say, up until 2008-10.
	They started, so the pharma companies started getting rid of internal experts who knew how to design drugs themselves.
	So when you know how to design drugs themselves and you have, you know, under your belt You went through entire process let's say 10 years to develop a single drug to test everything to go back and redo when you run into issues and safety and you know safety that's what that's what kills the programs so when you when you went through this when you know how many things can go wrong when you understand the chemistry you worked with with
	People who are drug designers.
	You worked with all the biologists and all the people who test in animals and then you also experienced clinical trials and what can happen there.
	Like, that whole knowledge was inside the pharma companies, and those people would stop this, you know, before, you know, anybody reasonably, like, trained like Mike in toxicology, had these products went through, like, normal toxicology battery, they would have stopped them.
	But what happened, multiple things.
	Pharma companies got rid of those people, and replaced them with software systems, and unexperienced stuff and outsourced everything to people who will do fraud for them.
	There's a whole network of companies that will do fraud for money.
	And so that got outsourced, including in China.
	And so they outsourced, fired experienced people, replaced them with software.
	Now Moderna, for example, is very proud to announce that their products are made by AI.
	They're made by software.
	So, on the manufacturing floor, and I know first-hand experience, on the manufacturing floor, there's like a handful of people, a whole bunch of machines, and a whole bunch of software running them.
	Why?
	So that nobody asks questions.
	And so, the whole system is designed in such a way that there isn't anybody there to ask questions.
	Nobody experienced, and frankly, very, very few people around.
	Yeah, that is very depressing.
	And let's not forget that even before this era, they were churning out stuff that's causing autism and, you know, damaging our Yeah, and vaccines, yes.
	And vaccines, actually, were always separate.
	So, Mike didn't work in vaccines.
	I didn't work in vaccines.
	The reason we're, like, speaking up and being so, you know, this is just awful, because we come from the drug side, which is extremely regulated, right?
	But vaccines were always, like, separate campuses.
	Separate, not just separate buildings on the same campus.
	God forbid those people talk to each other.
	They were like totally different towns and cities, completely different locations, different people that never would interact with the ones who were working on normal programs because we would ask questions and we would be like, you do what?
	You don't do... So the vaccine centers were for the really evil people as opposed to the quite evil people?
	Yeah, uh-huh.
	So it was always like that.
	They were always separate.
	Sasha, it's been really great talking to you.
	And what I really like about you is that you sound so completely normal.
	So you can, you know, you're quite good.
	I mean, this is quite a good podcast to show to people who still believe in the paradigm, let's say.
	Because they'll listen to you and they won't think, this woman is not batshit crazy.
	She sounds like reasonable.
	Before we go, I've got to ask you about something that you mentioned on your substat the other day, and I think this is really important.
	You mentioned about the Airbnb change of terms and conditions.
	Just tell us about that.
	Yeah, so Airbnb... Well, I just received a mass email from Airbnb, and I just, you know, randomly opened it and read it.
	No, and and it said that after June 6 for some reason, I don't know why this date June 6 Yeah, it's like 6 6 and 6 and Also, well you could do I mean why not say June 1st, you know, usually something like starts with a month Anyway, so from June 6 they change policy on I believe like how they compensate for
	If your vacation gets interrupted, and it sounded like, well, if the government... So they phrased it in a very odd way.
	It's a foreseen weather event that results in other government actions, which sounded like lockdowns to me.
	Yeah.
	And then they said, oh, you know, if you're already at your destination, then somehow you will be able to come back.
	But if you haven't left for your vacation, well, you're going to lose your money.
	And being part of the big tech complex, I mean, big tech are all in on this.
	So you've got, this is a sign, Airbnb covering itself financially for what it knows is coming.
	I've got a theory on this, which is that You must have noticed they've been chemtrailing us like mad the last six months or whatever, and we've got weather manipulation off the scale, including unheard of rain.
	I mean, we've had just non-stop rain for the last four months, and cloud and stuff, and farmers can't plant their food, and livestock is suffering and everything.
	People who are awake have known about this and, you know, they know what's going on.
	But there are sort of people in the middle who've been trained to disbelieve chemtrails and been told that this is a conspiracy theory and stuff, who are nevertheless looking up and going, well, hang on a second, there's something on about this weather.
	I think the next stage in the PSYOP is the partial revelation of the method, and what they're going to do is they're going to say that we've suddenly realised that airline traffic is causing all this abnormal weather, these weather anomalies, and we've realised that as an urgent measure we've got to stop
	People taking holiday flights, unnecessary flights, because this is clearly damaging our farmers and damaging it.
	I reckon that's how they're going to sell it.
	Probably.
	They already started revealing it.
	So there was an article in San Francisco Chronicle saying that, oh, you know, we're just testing.
	And by the way, like I'm on the West Coast.
	I see the chemtrails every day.
	There isn't, you know, usually the West Coast is, we have like 300 Days of blue sky and a year and now we don't have blue sky.
	It's always this milky milky white sky And, you know, recently they published an article in San Francisco Chronicle saying, oh yeah, we have this test program, we started this test program, spraying salt into the air.
	Actually, we had a guest here and he's a nice guy and like, you know, very with it, but like, because of his job, like most people don't look at the sky, right?
	And we're like, look at that.
	It's all sprayed.
	He's like, what?
	And then showing him this, he's like, this is crazy.
	I'm like showing him this article in San Francisco Chronicle, like here, here, they're admitting it, right?
	He's like, this is nuts.
	Yeah, it's only real when they're told about it in their newspapers.
	Until then, they can look up every day and see nothing but cloud or they can see the telltale lines and they won't see it because the newspapers haven't given them permission.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I noticed how they do it all the time.
	It used to be every now and then you would see it, and now it's every day.
	Every day there's a blue sky, boom, they're going, the grid is going.
	How do you think OS ends?
	How it ends?
	Well, I recently started reading the history of the Peloponnesian War.
	To find out how it is.
	This is Thucydides?
	Yes.
	What does he tell us?
	So, it's very interesting.
	I just started the first book.
	Oh, and the reason I started it, it's because I read Karl Popper, which is amazing, and he had a quote.
	You're familiar with Brooke Jackson's case, right?
	Against Pfizer.
	Oh, yes.
	Yes.
	Well, she was the whistleblower.
	The whistleblower from Pharma, right?
	And so they're now in the sort of culmination period because Department of Justice admitted now that this mass poisoning is part of US public health policy.
	And their defense is that you're not allowed to question policy.
	Only the anointed people like Peter Marks can come up with policy, and even if it kills and injures millions of people, you live with it.
	There's a famous quote from the history of the Peloponnesian War, the Pericles funeral oration, where he says, although only a few may formulate a policy, all of us are able to judge it.
	Good old Pericles.
	Yeah.
	And I was like, okay, I need, this is, this is awesome.
	And I want to look up the, the reference for it.
	And I tried to do a normal search on the Internet.
	You can't find it.
	It's very hard to find the whole text of the speech.
	Even on academic sites, when they provide the whole text of the speech, that particular part is removed somehow.
	Yeah, and then my husband and I were driving to Arizona, it's a long drive for two days, and we were playing with different LLMs, the AI models, and I was like, okay, can you have different models, try to find this quote?
	Only one, which is like a French startup, I forget what it's called, but not ChatGPT.
	ChatGPT yells at you for even trying to find it and say, you you're stupid and you're not allowed to like talk policy and you know so gives you like all these like lectures and so anyway so I was like okay I gotta get the book so I got the book and I'm reading it and it's it's amazing how you know you have to kind of like pinch yourself that you're reading a text from 2,500 years ago how
	It's written as if it was written last week.
	Okay, so are you recommending the history of the Peloponnesian War?
	I am absolutely recommending it.
	Okay.
	For many reasons.
	I sort of maybe jumped to the wrong conclusion.
	Was it Pericles who said this or was it at his funeral that somebody said this?
	Not at his funeral.
	So he was giving a speech for, it was like the end of the First year of the Peloponnesian War, which lasted 27 years, between Athens and Sparta.
	Athens was giving a state funeral to soldiers who were killed in the first year of the war.
	And he, as a statesman, was giving a speech at the funeral.
	And that speech is kind of very American.
	Actually, it has been plagiarized by US presidents continuously, this entire speech, because of it.
	Because it describes the system of democracy, describes the system of government that's designed for the people, operated by the people, where the people are engaged in governance.
	And so he talks about Athenian exceptionalism, just like they talk about US exceptionalism.
	And so all these things that he describes, then he comes to the part where, and we have engaged citizenry, even though they have their own private lives and their own business, they're engaged in governance, and although only a few may formulate a policy, all of us are able to judge it.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, you've tempted me now.
	By the way, as a little light relief, when you finish that, I can recommend... Have you read Anabasis by Xenophon?
	No.
	Zen, have you ever seen a movie called The Warriors?
	It's about this gang in New York that has to make its way back to its territory through lots of rival gangs' territory.
	I think it was directed by Walter Hill, maybe?
	It's quite a classic movie.
	I think there have been other movies set about it, but it's about, essentially, these Greek mercenaries, Xenophon is one of them, I think he's one of the commanders, go to to work for either King Xerxes or Atazerxes.
	So they essentially act as his kind of elite force.
	And in the course of the battle, Xerxes or Atazerxes or whatever does something really stupid and turns victory and defeat, ends up getting killed.
	So suddenly these Greek mercenaries are trapped thousands, well hundreds of miles away from their home.
	And they get given the option of surrendering their weapons and they say, no, we're not going to do this, we're going to fight our way home.
	So this small band, it's a great story, this small band of Greeks, this is the story.
	They make their way home through all these weird different territories against hostile forces, through the snow.
	There's a scene where they all drink this, eat honey, which is poison because it comes from rhododendrons and they go mad.
	And there's a famous line in it, thalassa, thalassa, the sea, the sea, which is when they see the sea, they see the Mediterranean, I think it's the Mediterranean or the sea of their homeland anyway after they get back.
	And Anyway, it's on a basis, it's worth reading.
	Yeah, I gotta listen.
	Yeah, I gotta watch that, but yeah, that's why I'm reading, because that book about that war, that war ended Greek Empire, and while it was empire, it was also a collection of states.
	So it's very, very similar situation, and the strategies that they used, and how they fought each other, and then they collectively fought against the Persians, The strategies that are described in that book, again, 2,500 years ago, are still used today in the UN, in WHO.
	I'm going to have to read it.
	Yeah.
	And it's extremely, extremely contemporary.
	I still can't believe it was written 2,500 years ago.
	It just reads like today.
	You've sold it to me.
	Although, of course, you know, a lot of our enemies have read these books as well.
	For example, Boris Johnson, who used to be our Prime Minister and was Prime Minister during the nonsense.
	He studied greats, which is classics.
	He will have read the Peloponnesian War in the original and will know it inside out.
	But anyway... Yeah, and that's why the classics education is being removed.
	The comparative... Another thing I should recommend is Toynbee comparative civilization, and that is extremely hard to find, and it's removed from all curricula, as we speak, from universities, because they don't want you to know this.
	They're cunning, these bastards.
	Sasha, I could talk to you all day, but I find that this is about the right length for a podcast.
	I don't want to be like Joe Rogan, who is probably a woman and is definitely controlled.
	He's a gatekeeper.
	Oh, yes.
	What?
	Really?
	Anyway, you're saying that the vaccines might be dangerous, Sasha?
	I've never heard this before.
	So, where can people find your stuff?
	So, Substack is my main platform where I publish its long-form articles with all the documentation that I have and evidence.
	I've written over 300 essays there and so it's called due diligence and art.
	Yes, you are, of course, we haven't even talked about that, but that's another treat for people to look at when they go to your site.
	I'm very happy that you've been able to do that in your later life.
	Yes, and now there's very little time for it.
	I kind of switched to watercolor for the time being because, you know, it's faster and not just faster, like you can do it in like five minute increments, When we're all done, you'll have plenty of time.
	You're in heaven.
	You'll be able to sketch to your heart's content.
	It's all right.
	I know.
	Yeah, probably.
	So anyway, the Substack is due diligence and art, or you can search sashalatipova.substack.com.
	I like your feisty... it's no nonsense.
	You don't take any prisoners.
	You tell it like it is.
	It's great.
	It's really good.
	I recommend you highly.
	I'm so glad I finally got around to talking to you.
	Well, yeah, thank you.
	Thank you for reaching out.
	No, it's been great.
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