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Dr Sherri Tenpenny with Mary Holland and Zoey O'Toole - Dec. 19, 2022
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Well, hello everyone.
My name is Dr. Sherry Tenpenny and I want to extend a warm welcome to everyone who's joining us here at This Week with Dr. T. Each week we get together with amazing guests and have conversations that I'm pretty sure you'll enjoy hearing.
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So with that, let me introduce to you two amazing guests for today.
Zoe O'Toole is a writer and editor currently working as a publisher, liaison at Children's Health Defense.
She served for many years as the vice president of communications for the Thinking Moms Revolution, where she was known as the nickname, The Professor.
She has also edited a comprehensive series of 15 videos focusing on vaccine science for the website VaccineCourse.org, the launch of which has been delayed due to some COVID issues like so many things in our lives.
Mary Holland has been a longtime friend.
She's the President and General Counsel of CHD.
She has been involved in Vaccine Choice and Health Freedom Movement for more than two decades.
Before joining Children's Health Defense staff in the fall of 2019, Mary Holland Directed the Graduate Lawyering Program at NYU School of Law for 15 years and lectured at Columbia Law at International Human Rights Advocacy Issues.
She's frequently testified at state legislatures around the country to retain and expand religious and medical philosophical exemptions regarding COVID and all other things.
Mary also co-authored and edited the book, Vaccine Epidemic, for which I am a proud contributor of a chapter to that book, and the book, HPV Vaccine on Trial, Seeking Justice for a Generation Betrayed.
She's also the author of many extremely important articles that I've read, many of them on vaccine and law and public policy, including the article that challenges the interpretation of Jacobson v. Massachusetts, the 1904 law that has been on the underpinning of this mess we're fighting right now.
So, Mary and I have been on the stage a lot of different places together.
We've been at campaigns across the country, like, you know, marches in New Jersey and all sorts of places.
So, and we've been trying to get you on as a guest for a long time, and then my schedule was all messed up today.
So, we'll take as many of your minutes as we possibly can here this morning.
If you have to hop off, Zoe and I will keep talking for a few minutes after that, okay?
That's awesome.
Thank you.
It's great to be here, Sherri.
So, Mary, I want to start with your book.
I want to start with the book.
And the first question I have about the book, and I admit, I haven't read all of it.
I have skimmed through it.
Where did the title come from?
Great question.
So, it's a weird title.
We kind of talked to the anonymous authors about changing it many times, but they insisted on it.
So there's a myth, Sherry, and there's a story of an old lady coming up to a scientist who's very erudite, and he's talking about cosmology and how the Earth revolves around the sun.
And she goes, you know, really, the Earth sits on the back of turtles.
And in a very patronizing way, he says, oh, really?
The Earth sits on turtles?
And what's under the turtles?
And she says, well, turtles.
There's more turtles.
And he says, well, how is it?
And she says, the turtle's all the way down.
And this is sort of like this in-joke in science, making fun of us stupid lay people, right?
I am a lay person.
Especially us old ladies.
Especially us old ladies.
So this is turning it around and saying, no, the people who are really based on mythology are the scientists.
It's the parents who have this right.
And Sherry, you've been standing for the parents for decades on this issue.
It's the parents who realize that there is no safety there.
There is no there there.
And so that's where the title comes from.
It's really saying that the scientists are standing on nothing for the vaccine program.
Wow, and isn't that the God's truth?
I mean, that is absolutely, you know, it's because I said so, and because I said safe and effective so many times that it has to be true, you know.
And Tony Fauci said so, and the WHO said so, and you know, we all know that everything he says is true.
Yes, because they are the experts.
And there are no conflicts of interest.
No conflicts of interest, and we're all tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists, you know?
So, yeah.
So I saw, somebody sent me a meme the other day that was, the top of the meme was a picture of a tinfoil hat, and the bottom of the meme was a picture of a mask.
And what it said on the meme was, I would rather believe in the tinfoil, and trusted the tinfoil hat, than believed what they said about the mask.
And you know, it's just so true.
And I think that people are, you know, it's, you know, I've been hammering this out.
As you guys know, I've done all this stuff since September of 2000.
So it's been 22 years of vaccine myth busting.
And when COVID started, it was just a natural extension.
What do you see, Mary?
And then Zoe, you and I will spend a lot more time talking after Mary has to bolt here.
But what do you see, Mary, in terms of the change in what we are seeing across the landscape?
Are you seeing that people are, I hate the term waking up, because to me it's so overused and it's just like doesn't really mean anything anymore.
But maybe along the lines of putting the dots together and kind of deciding that they need to get involved.
What is your perspective of what's going on?
Oh, I think that COVID situation is blowing up, Sherry.
It's a slow explosion.
It's not immediate, but people are seeing the deaths.
They're seeing that the people who've gotten the vaccines are getting sick.
They're getting injured.
They're dying.
I am so excited that yesterday a criminal grand jury was convened by, or at least announced, By Governor DeSantis, there are criminal prosecutions for COVID related issues, vaccines and others in several countries.
This is the 1st serious effort I've seen in the United States.
It's shifting Sherry and people look at the uptake on boosters.
It's way under 10%.
They came out in August.
The government has been hammering.
You're going to die if you don't get the boosters.
But the truth is out.
These shots don't stop infection or transmission.
They cause death.
They cause injury.
They're extremely dangerous.
They don't work.
So I do think that the ground is shifting a lot.
What?
I can't understand the Department of Justice in this country.
I just don't get it.
I mean, Tamir, here's Dr. Burks, who stands up and admits in writing, I lied to the president.
And we made it up.
We made it up along the way.
And this whole thing about six feet social distancing.
I mean, when you listen to Paul Alexander talk and he said, they sort of said four, they sort of said 10.
They said, eh, six is a good number.
We'll pick that.
And all of the businesses that had to close and fold Because they did, they were tiny little cafes and things like that, that they didn't have that distance.
We've got people like on record lying, and they're just walking down the street.
I couldn't agree with you more, and I think this is, none of this happened yesterday, Sherry.
None of this happened three years ago.
This has all been sort of, we've been leading up to this for several decades, and we've seen the politicization and the weaponization of Department of Justice, and now we are seeing it full force.
We are seeing Department of Justice really playing Politics, not doing law.
Politics and law are interrelated, but they are distinct.
And the Department of Justice has absolutely fallen down on the job.
What's going to happen?
Will we, the people, have any recourse about that?
Isn't the Department of Justice supposed to be the highest law in the land?
Absolutely.
Sherry, I'm reading really interesting articles about treason.
You know, there are legal ways to address this, and I think it's going to start in the states.
I think what Governor DeSantis is doing, convening a grand jury to look at this.
The Surgeon General in Florida, Joe Latipo, is talking about doing autopsies on the people who've died.
This is what has to happen, just a standard law-based investigation.
What is going on?
We know that the excess deaths in 2021 and 2022 grossly exceed those of this horrific pandemic for which everybody had to close down and wear masks and social distance.
Well, that's insane.
That's insane.
Well, if that's true, then this has to be investigated and it has to be investigated in a lawful way.
So I'm very excited that Florida is stepping up and I pray That other states will step up and we will really start to see some serious digging.
And I'm also encouraged, Sherry, I think we can absolutely expect that there will be investigations in 2023 in the House of Representatives.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
The other thing is like, you know, from the very beginning, and I know I'm speaking to the choir about this, but one of the first articles when I started peeling through the myth of the mask, You know, the nonsense of the social distancing, the fraud of the PCR testing, and now they're actually having recalls of the PCR test because they were falsely reporting positive results.
And all of the stuff of these shots, I mean, the first article I wrote, I said they've violated two of the four tenets of releasing something under an EUA.
Number one, there can't be anything else that can treat this infection or can treat this problem, which we knew there were a lot of things.
Vitamin D, Zinc, Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine.
And that the illness had to be more severe than the potential side effects of the product they were releasing.
And neither one of those things were true.
And I've been screaming this from the very beginning, from 2020, going, wait a minute, they can't release these products under EUA because they've violated two federal laws.
Sherri, there has been gross Uh, lawlessness going on.
These are crimes against humanity.
Absolutely.
I am confident that we will get there, but what happens is when you induce mass fear, and think about it, we have never seen a mass fear campaign worldwide like this ever before.
What happens when you induce that fear, that sense of an emergency, that sense of you're going to die if you don't follow instructions?
Most people fall in line.
And that's a human instinct which has been completely manipulated here.
It's cruel.
I mean, this is truly criminal.
We're dealing with extremely criminal behavior here.
And I do believe we're going to get to the bottom of it and we're just coming, we're now dipping our toe in that water, which is fantastic.
There's criminal lawsuits in Latin America, in Switzerland, in the UK, in France, now an investigation in the U.S.
There's cases before the International Criminal Court.
It's happening, Sherry.
Not as fast as any of us would want, but it is happening.
That's really great news.
That's like Merry Christmas, America!
To hear that, you know?
It is.
That's very true.
That's very true.
Zoe, what do you see, you know, from your perspective on this in terms of across America?
Well, I'm just going to read you a comment I got from a friend of mine from high school this week.
Text.
It says these past two, almost three years has opened up my eyes.
I really feel like the wool that was pulled over my eye has gotten lifted.
And she's now reading turtles all the way down.
So that's what I'm seeing.
That is amazing because, you know, I sometimes feel I position myself in the last two and a half years or three years now of this whole stuff.
I've been riding the horse somewhere between, you know, John the Baptist and Paul Revere.
You know, Paul Revere like trying to get people, they're coming, they're coming, they're coming, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
And John the Baptist of, you know, we must repent, we violated the temple.
You know, get back in line with God, you know.
You made a mistake, repent and he will forgive you.
You know, you may have to suffer the physical consequences of that mistake, but you don't have to stand in the spiritual consequences of that mistake.
That's a beautiful analogy, and yes you have.
I think that's right.
Yeah, it's really so.
So do you think that the majority of people are starting to connect the dots?
I'm glad to hear about the Justice Department and the things we're going to have.
I'm really fearful about the death rate that, you know, the tsunami of deaths that are now arriving.
The UK is now reporting a thousand deaths per week.
You know, we're now seeing it, you know, hundreds per day across America is what they're projecting.
You know, when Ed Dowd and Steve Kirsch crushed the numbers globally, but looking at all the different databases that are available, and these are of course only the only ones that we actually know that have been reported, that 20 million deaths and 2.1 billion severe injuries.
Severe injuries meaning they were either hospitalized Have long-term complications and can no longer work.
That's how they define a severe injury.
20 million deaths from the shots and over 2 billion injuries.
And we're at the beginning of this.
I mean, the cardiovascular, a lot of the long-term deaths and things are gonna be yet to come.
And I think that by the first of the year, there won't be anybody that doesn't know at least several people that have died at the hands of this demo side.
The interesting thing is, though, that a lot of people still don't put it together.
I see people in my circle who I sort of feel like should know better that are attributing all of this, all of this to COVID.
It's really hard to understand that you volunteered to harm yourself.
It is.
I think that's a big part of it, Sherry, that people have what are called investment effects.
If you follow the narrative, if you got the shots, if you got the boosters, the barriers to your opening your eyes are very high because you don't want to think that you did something really that could kill you.
Or could harm your child.
You don't want to think that.
So I think, I agree with Zoe, most people are attributing, who still believe the official narrative, although they may have questions, they're assuming that this is the fact that people didn't go for screening during the lockdowns, that maybe there was greater anxiety or depression and maybe that contributed.
There's the triple-demic going on right now, RSV and flu and COVID altogether.
People have, you know, the mainstream media is pushing these alternative explanations.
And now if you drink an energy drink, you might have a blood clot.
I mean, crazy stuff, Sherry.
Crazy stuff.
But there are these alternative narratives for people to seize on as the explanation for why people are sick or are dying.
They're inaccurate.
But it's just cracking through the mainstream now that people are dying.
Even the stories have been suppressed.
They just, you know, unexplained deaths, but it's now really coming through the mainstream.
I think it's really good, too, that we have a book.
Out yesterday, Cause Unknown by Ed Dowd, and he covers all the data.
He does.
All the data, and it's clear.
I mean, you see youngish working people, healthy, they're insured at high rates because they don't often have death benefits that they have to pay out, and you see them dying at much higher rates than usual, and you've got to start to question the narrative.
Yeah, and what they're actually doing with those death rates and they're kind of manipulating them and like, you know what you were saying Mary about the crazy things that people are believing, even doctors.
One of my employees was telling me yesterday that a relative of hers Who is pregnant, got two shots and a booster before she got pregnant.
And she got another booster and a flu shot now during her pregnancy.
And she's in her second trimester and got rushed to the hospital yesterday for bleeding and passing blood clots.
And the doctor told her that it all happened because she had eaten spicy chicken the night before.
What?
Truly.
You know, and so like, it's just horrifying.
It is just horrifying.
And you don't know what that doctor really thinks, but there are a lot of doctors who are really ignorant, as you well know.
And really invested, as you pointed out.
Really invested.
So invested.
That's the right word.
What do you guys think we can do to uninvest them, to bring back literacy to medicine so that they will actually read instead of marching lockstep to, this is what I was told to do and I follow the CDC and all the drug reps told me it was safe and effective.
What do you think?
We keep hearing that doctors have huge burnout rates.
That they have depression and anxiety at higher rates than in other professions.
So maybe if we keep pointing out that this is the case and that one of the reasons why is because they've worked for these big multinational corporations, essentially at this point, that are soulless and won't let them practice medicine, that if we push a little bit on that and say, you know, this is what you're Working within the paradigm you're working within.
This is what people who are working outside that paradigm have begun to question and give them Turtle's Book.
Well, I was going to say, I actually, so one of the most gratifying things, Sherry, is people like Dr. Paul Merrick and Dr. Pierre Corey, who, and Steve, and Madhava, and Madhava Sethi, people who are very mainstream in their medical view.
This book has 1,400 scientific references online.
They didn't include it just to make the book shorter, but this is incredibly well researched.
This is well written.
It's easily accessible, but it is Absolutely 100% on sound ground on science.
And in fact, all the references are mainstream science.
It's CDC, it's JAMA, it's New England Journal, it's British Medical Journal.
There's nothing outside the mainstream on which this book is based.
And so we have seen people like Paul Merrick say, oh my God.
So I think that the wake up call of COVID is now spreading and we really should think about this.
So maybe we get somebody to give us money to send a copy of this to every one of the 70,000 pediatricians in the country.
I think it could make a difference because we do need the front line, as Heidi Larson said, is wobbly.
That is the pediatricians and I do think they're wobbly and we should really think about that because this book is convincing, Sherry, in ways that, you know, I'm so grateful for vaccine epidemic and we did a great job looking at the vaccine paradigm from lots of different angles.
But this is really a book that just takes you by the hand and says, you're probably wondering about this and, you know, take a deep breath and you should be able to look up our references to see if we're really for real.
And it takes you through this journey to, I don't know, 400 pages.
And at the end it says, this is a crime against humanity.
There's nothing they're standing on.
But it starts the reader off with this idea of you're probably here because you're not really sure and you know you have the scientists on one side and the moms on the other and you don't know what to make of it and so let us kind of walk you through.
It's this very gentle starting point and it takes you to a place of like, We're never going to give up until they're, you know, they're gone.
But it's beautifully done that way.
There's one narrative voice, Sherry, and it's just different than any of the other, you know, many, many books that you've written and Zoey and I contribute to and blogs and this and that.
It's different and we hope that it really will help make a dent.
I would suggest, just because physicians are lazy and they're brain dead, and I can speak as a physician, so I live in that house and I can throw stones, right?
And so if you, and I think that would be a marvelous idea to raise some money to be able to do that.
I would, I would suggest that if you do that, You might know that there's a few very key sentences or parts in this book that you absolutely want them to see.
I would yellow highlight it and put a little sticky tab on that page as you send them out because it's human nature.
If you got something like this in the mail and you looked at this and you went, I don't have enough time in my life.
Well, if you saw that somebody helped you out by giving you the cliff notes, you know, and they they had certain areas that were little yellow highlighted, had, you know, 5, 6, 10 little tabs on the side of the key places and send that out easier to do like a short.
Well, I'm just saying, if you're going to do that though, Zoe, I wouldn't even bother to send the book.
What I'm saying is that, you know, pull out those quotes and save on this page.
But you may never know where to get the book.
I think Sherry's point is let's intrigue them.
Yeah, get them the book.
Get them the book because if they're just reading that additional piece of paper, why bother to spend all the money on the book and on the shipping if you're just going to send it?
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying send the book with the page.
I don't think they read it.
As I could tell you, if it was me, I wouldn't read the book.
OK.
I would not read the book.
That's what I wanted to know.
I wouldn't read it because I would look at this and go, 400 pages.
It's a decent font.
You know, sometimes a teeny tiny font is another thing that will dissuade me.
But if you've got little tabs, Now they read that, they're going to be drawn in, and they're going to want to read the rest.
I think that's a brilliant idea, Sherry.
It's intriguing, right?
Well, what are they, and we have a couple pages.
It's a great idea, but 70,000 books is going to take a lot of time on somebody's part.
We have volunteers.
I mean, we have people who would do this.
Yeah, I think it's a great idea.
And all you have to do is go through and find the first one to do it, you know, because then now you know where the pages are, and so the next book takes a fraction of the time to go through and do that, you know?
We're happy to think about that, because we have chapters.
I think it's a great idea.
The first one will take a while, but all the rest of them will not take long.
Oh, so I just need to go to page 29, 37, 52, whatever, do this, and then, you know, put it in a bag and send it, right?
Because I will tell you, as a physician, and if you saw, like when I go on vacation, I come home, God bless all of my fans, I mean God bless them, but I will come home to nine to ten books that people have sent me that are sitting on my conference table.
And I mean, You know they'll take that times ten because if I leave ten times and plus the own things that I really need to read for what I'm researching and doing and It always breaks my heart because somebody took the time to buy something and send it to me and but if somebody had given me the cliff notes That would just make my day and I'm not different from anybody else who's busy and kind of lazy, you know and
Well, you're ruthless about your time.
I think it's a great idea, Sherry.
I love it.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
What do you want to say, Mary?
Because I know you're going to have to bolt here in a few minutes.
What would you like to contribute right now?
The three of us here together, because Zoe and I are going to hang out and talk more about the book and talk more about things.
You know, I do want to echo Zoe.
I do think this new book by Ed Dowd, Cause Unknown, is awesome.
Yes, I pre-ordered it.
I've gone through it.
Similarly, Sherry, it draws people in.
I know it's tough to give people a book for the holidays, for Hanukkah or Christmas, about But this book could save people's lives.
It really is a book that will get to people.
It draws you in.
It looks at it from every angle.
And you look at this and it's like, why are these children dying?
Why are these teenagers?
Why are these sports people?
The healthiest people in any population.
Why are they just keeling over?
It's very, and then it goes through the data, but this is not about data.
It's a human story.
Every story, Sherry, has a QR code, so you can go look it up.
Again, don't take their word for it.
They want you to go look at New York Post, go look at The Guardian, go look at The New York Times to read this story about somebody who died suddenly and there was an unknown cause.
So I want people to really know that that is a great new tool at their disposal.
I also just really want to I think we've been through an incredibly rough 3 years, Sherry.
I think we have to acknowledge for all of us.
We have been through a tremendously traumatic time.
And we have to kind of rest up over the holidays.
There's going to be a lot to do in 2023, but we have to take stock.
We are winning Sherry.
They are losing.
There are criminal prosecutions.
Elon Musk's pronouns are prosecute Fauci.
I mean.
That's unbelievable.
And he's in the cabal, right?
This is a billionaire who's for transhumanism.
But this guy, what has he put on his newly purchased toy Twitter?
Prosecute Fauci.
That's incredible.
That shows us, Sherry, that this is exactly what we want to have happen.
The elites are fighting among themselves.
This didn't happen.
They did not go the way it was supposed to go and now they're pissed at one another and they are bringing their fight to the public.
Paul Offit saying don't take a booster.
I didn't take it.
I didn't recommend my kid to get it.
That is like their dirty laundry is coming out for all of us to see and that means that there are really serious rifts among the people who've been on the inside.
You know, that's really, really well said.
And you know, they're fighting against each other.
They did not anticipate this.
I mean, I think, who was it, was it, who was it that told me early on that on their original WEF website, that really fancy one with all the circles, you know, click different things, they go together.
There was nothing in there, nothing, when somebody really analyzed it, that planned for a plan B.
That this was not going to succeed.
And I think that when all of us got busy, I mean, I did over 600 interviews in 18 months, and I usually do 30 a year.
You know, the Lord said to me out loud, carpet bomb the neighborhood.
I heard it.
Which I said to Michelle, anybody that calls, the answer's yes.
If it's a radio show, a podcast, a television thing, or whatever.
Sometimes I was doing six and seven in a day.
You know, just the carpet get as much out.
And all of us did it.
It wasn't just me, but we all worked so hard early on.
The disinformation doesn't, you know, we just hammered down.
We didn't care what they did to us.
We circumvented the censorship stuff.
We found other ways to get us, get our information out.
And I think that they never anticipated that.
They are so far removed from the common people, like us down here, us common people.
They have no idea about the resiliency of the human spirit and that we are not gonna be subjugated and tortured and put into the transhumanism movement.
And everything that you've done at CHD and everything that everybody's been doing together, I think you're right.
I think it's really well said that they are fighting amongst themselves.
I mean, you know, somebody wrote on Twitter a tweet to Elon that said, when is the information about the censorship of doctors and the scientific information going to be released?
He said, is it coming?
He said, oh yes, in a big way.
It's all that crimes against humanity stuff is going to come out too.
The election fraud, all of that is all coming out.
You know, it's the gift of COVID, right?
That all things that are hidden have come to light and now people are starting to question everything.
It is.
The corruption is coming to light.
Zoe's text from her friend.
The wool's been pulled off.
I too have come to see things in a new light since COVID.
I was on to vaccines for 20 years, but COVID has really ripped a lot of the veil away from my eyes.
It really has.
But Sherry, before I leave, I just want to thank you for all you've done because you have carpeted on the neighborhood.
We're really grateful for your consistent You know, thorough science-based voice talking about all these issues.
So, great to see you and I know I'll get a chance to see you soon.
And Zoe, talk about hurdles.
We've got it.
We've got you and I, Mary, are doing another one, a longer one tomorrow that I will be on time because I don't have to go to the office tomorrow.
So, all right.
We'll see you tomorrow.
Zoe, hang tight.
We're going to keep talking here for a minute.
All right.
This is fast.
So I want to know a little bit more about your book.
I mean, how did you guys, I mean, I know this is an anonymous writer and you guys are the editors.
Well, we don't know how many writers there are, first off.
How did you get, how did this get into your hands?
I guess is the correct question.
There were actually two routes for my participation.
A bunch of years back when I was still doing TMR, editor of the blog at TMR.
Tell people what TMR is.
Okay, TMR is Thinking Moms Revolution.
And we started out as 24 parents who were talking to each other on Facebook about all the biomedical stuff we were doing with our children that was helping them get better.
And we realized that what we had as a group was valuable, very valuable for parents because parents are often feeling alone when they have to deal with sick kids and they don't know what to do and they don't, and just having other parents who've been through it, who can, you can bounce things off of, that's so important and helpful.
So what we did was we wrote a book where each, each of the 24 of us wrote a chapter, though actually we had one guy called The Count, And he would just do little snippets throughout the book.
So we did all these chapters, and then we got it published by Skyhorse.
And in the meantime, in order to get it published by Skyhorse and get people to know who we were, we started a website.
We started a rotating blog where each of us contributed blogs, and I was the one who was most interested in that aspect of it, the writing and the editing, because that's just who I am apparently, especially if it has anything to do with science.
So that's what I was doing.
And as you said, my nickname was Professor.
So, science was really where I was at, and explaining the science to the parents who were having difficulty understanding what it meant was what I like to do.
So, one of the authors of the book approached me, I would say maybe even seven years ago, And said, this is a book I'm planning.
I would like to do an English edition.
Would you be up to be doing that?
And I said, I'd love to, because I read the outline.
But I was a single mom at that point, and it was going to take a lot, a lot of time and energy.
And so I had to back off.
So then in 2019, the book came out in Hebrew.
These authors are Israeli.
And so the book came out in Hebrew, and then Mary went to a conference.
in Israel and saw the book everywhere and said, oh, what is this book?
It looks interesting.
And she saw the references in the book to the very mainstream sources and said, wow, this is somebody who knows their stuff.
So she wanted to talk to the authors.
So there's one particular author who speaks very good English that we interact with regularly.
And she spoke to him, and they talked about doing an English edition.
And Mary started doing the English editing, but as president of CHD, her time was extremely limited.
So the authors finally got impatient and said, can you recommend somebody else?
And Mary said, yes, here's Zoe.
So I did the rest of it, and we were able to publish shortly after that.
So that was good.
That's very good.
How is this book, I mean, Mary talked a little bit about it, but what makes this different than some of the other books that are on the market?
Because everything that I've ever done, ever, in the last 22 years, every PowerPoint presentation, every article, everything, is fully footnoted and referenced with mainstream medical journal things.
And I've done a lot of that.
And I'm not the only one.
Right, so what is this?
What is different about it?
Because, you know, all those references, well, I have, you know, the Tenpenny Research Library has over 18,000 references in it.
Oh yeah, they're there!
I think that's it, okay?
It's comprehensive, but limited in scope enough that somebody can apprehend it all at once.
Okay.
Do you know what I mean?
It's like, it takes everything you've done, everything I've done, everything Mary's done for the last two decades, and puts it all together in a capsule that somebody new to the whole situation can pick up and say, wow, and get, it's an instant primer on all the stuff we've done.
And I think that that's very important, especially now, because when we were doing this, you and I, this information was easy to find.
You could Google and find the vaccine critical information like this, right?
Now, if you try to do that, if it shows up at all, it'll be on page five or page 10 of your search results.
So it's much harder to find the information that you and I found easily a decade ago, two decades ago, Now, the parents who come to this issue, they're faced with a quandary.
They can't find the information that we based our whole understanding on.
At this time is very useful because what it does is it it says these sources are out here and I'm going to show you exactly where they are and you're going to be able to put that together for yourself.
And once people can do that, their minds get changed.
That's how I'm thinking of it.
I think that from my perspective, and granted, I have not read the whole book.
Honestly, it's kind of like reading myself.
I have read a few pages.
I get that.
But I have read, you know, the table of contents and I know what's in here and I wanted to talk to you about it because I do think that so many people have come to question the COVID shots.
And now it's sort of like, and they had two years of lockdown of staying at home.
So they didn't take, you know, and in that time babies were born that didn't go to the pediatrician's office because the pediatrician either wouldn't see them or people lost their insurance or for whatever reason they didn't.
Now that baby's two, three years old and guess what?
They not only did they not die, They're not even sick.
And so then parents start going, well, this is COVID stuff.
I'm not doing that.
I'm not doing that shot.
I understand that's a bioweapon.
Well, what about the rest of these shots?
So I think that the timing of this book is one of the key relevances of it.
It's probably not anything that hasn't been and isn't already out there for the last 20 years, like what, you know, Barbara Lowe Frischer has written and, you know, things like that.
I mean, it's all out there, but it's in places that you'd have to put together yourself.
And the timing of it, we're at a place now where people truly are questioning.
Yes!
They really are saying, you know, I have this baby.
They don't have earaches, sore throats, they don't have rashes, they don't have eczema, they don't have asthma, they're not snotting out all over the place and they don't have asthma, allergies, eczema, ADD, ADHD, autism, all these different things.
Maybe I should look into these other things.
So the timing of this is incredible.
One of the things we're finding too... This whole book, this, you know, turtles all the way down.
I just think that, you know, I really, really wanted to have you guys on, not only to talk about everything, but to really help to promote that out to people.
Wonderful, thank you.
I absolutely, fully agree with that.
And one of the things that we're finding is that a lot of the people who have become known for their COVID vaccine skepticism, such as Steve Kirsch, Robert Malone, Paul Merrick, Peter Corey, people like that, Peter McCullough, they are
They were definitely questioning the COVID vaccine narrative, but now it is getting into their heads that, wait a minute, so what does this say about vaccines, childhood vaccines, that we've been giving our kids for, you know, however many decades, right?
So they're in that space, too.
And we've gotten to quite a few of them.
And Paul Merrick, for instance, I mean, What a brilliant man.
That's his heart.
We blew his mind.
That's his heart.
I want to say, I'll say something about Paul Merrick and then I want to say something about Peter McCullough.
You know, when I had Paul Merrick on my podcast and we did the deep dive and after we hung up, you know, we did the deep dive, which we're going to do with you here in a couple of minutes, you know, at the end of that, you know, after we stopped the recording.
You know, I said to Paul, I said, so where do you, where do you stand on like God and religion and your faith?
He says, Oh, Sherry said, I don't know.
He said, I believed in science.
I believed in everything that I believed in is now been torn apart.
He said, in fact, I'm reading a book right now.
That says that we may not have been on the moon and President Kennedy's assassination was a conspiracy.
And he said, so I don't know what to believe about anything anymore.
And I said, well, God bless you, Paul.
I said you dragged the elephant in the room and decided to eat it all one meal.
You know, most of us kind of like walk, you know, from one thing to the other and you're kind of taking it all in.
He said, well, it's challenged everything in my life, everything.
And that is now also including the childhood vaccination schedule.
And, you know, back in September, I believe, or maybe it was October, I was in Minnesota speaking at a conference and Peter McCullough was speaking there too.
And Larry Pilevsky and I kind of cornered Peter in the green room.
And started, you know, really working on the vaccine issue.
Sort of, Peter, it's not just those COVID shots, it's all of them.
And he listened to us and listened to us and then he took me aside and we said, what about smallpox and polio?
Can you tell me about that?
And so I said, I have a lot to say about that.
He said, well, can I have, can I have you on my, my podcast?
So I was on his big podcast like two weeks later.
And at the end of the podcast was a whole hour at the, when he clicked off, he said, you are officially now the only person I've ever interviewed on my podcast for a full hour.
And we covered, we talked about smallpox, polio, measles, MMR, you know, the VAERS.
We talked about the first mandatory vaccination law, which was in 1853 in the UK.
We talked about all of it.
And I've had people tell me that they thought it was the most concise thing.
And in the middle of that, or at the end of that, what Peter said was, because you know, he's the real science guy.
I mean, he looks at all the, he said, there has never...
He said, there has never ever been a good research study done on any of these, is there?
I said, nope.
It's, you know, it's the data sponsored by the mainstream NIH, CDC.
The data is manipulated.
It's all, you know, money driven.
Anything you can't find out on many of these studies, what the true placebo was that they use.
And we went through all of that.
So I don't know if you noticed, but in the last time, the most recent thing with Senator Johnson, Peter on the stage up there said, we need to stop all the vaccines, all of them.
I didn't see his, but...
And do the science all over again.
Now I may have been the only one listening to that, that caught that knowing where he was coming from, because other people may have thought stop all the COVID vaccines, right?
But he really means it, that we really do need to stop all of them.
And go back to the drawing board and start over again.
And in light of that W.H.O.
meeting, was it World Health Organization a couple of years or so ago that Highwire had that video of all those people going, you know, we've never had any science.
We don't know how many people die.
So many admissions on that video.
It's gold.
It was, you know, again, where is the Department of Justice?
Where is Interpol?
We're urging on an inter-level, you know?
Yeah.
You're paging me all over this.
Yeah, so if we can get the new darlings that are at the ball, because the rest of us that have been hammering this out for 20 years just don't apply anymore, you know, we've got the new darlings on the stage.
We're like the background noise, you know, but we're getting their ears and they're starting to listen to us and they're starting to see and now that they've got big platforms too, the word is getting out.
Yep.
So it's, you know, it's, you know, that expression, overnight success is really 20 years of hard work, 30 or 40 years of hard work, right?
Here we go.
This is what we've been doing.
You and Mary and You know, Barbara Lowe Fisher and Maureen O'Donnell, you know, from when she did all the stuff with the DN programs, you know, and Christian Northrup and me and, you know, Judy Mikovits and all of us that have just been pounding it out.
We just had that little event.
It was last Thursday night in Tampa from, you know, the Zelenko Foundation that We had a dinner that kind of honored the women who have been here, you know, a core set of women who've been handling this out because, you know, Kevin Jenkins was kind of just aggravated that it seems like all the men are now getting the credit.
And I hear that.
It's like suddenly like they're the new bells of the ball.
When all of this was started and carried by us moms, you know, moms.
Absolutely.
So we just had a little dinner event and it was really nice and the people that were there was really nice.
It was a kind of a fundraiser for the Zelenko Foundation and they gave us a nice little award and it was like kind of nice for people to acknowledge the fact that Listen, bucko.
This is not new.
You know, we were out there with the big schwoz hammering down the weeds and the things like that, that created this nice little path that you can now walk on, you know?
Yeah.
So, where are you going?
What are you doing to kind of market this, Zoe?
What are you going to do more?
I love the idea we talked about, about sending it out to all the pediatricians, but I will stand on the fact that you need... They're not going to read it unless... Unless you cliff-noted it for them, and not in a separate piece of paper, because they'll read that paper.
They won't read the book.
I hear you, and I very much appreciate the idea.
You know what?
If anyone can get it done, it's Mary.
If she can get us the money and the volunteers, no question, we'll do it.
You know?
And I think that would be absolutely wonderful.
Game-changing.
It would be game-changing.
Yeah, it could be.
And if there's 70,000 pediatricians, I mean, you don't have to do them all on the same weekend, right?
Right.
Like, pick a state, do everybody in this, you know, move across the country by state or whatever, you know?
Basically, we have two Spaces we need to cover.
We need to cover the demand.
We need to get the parents to say, no, I'm not going to do that.
No matter what you're recommending right now, I've read the science or the lack thereof, and I'm not going to do that.
So that's the demand side.
And on the supply side, we're not going to get the pharmaceutical companies to not provide these things, right?
So what we got to do is we got to get the pediatricians to say, whoa, I didn't know that about the science and how it works and how it doesn't work.
And then as soon as they start questioning, as soon as they stop recommending adherence to the CDC schedule, things will change.
Except for the fact we've also got to figure out a plan to go against these horrible state medical boards.
Yes.
And now that law that just got passed in California about, you know, if any doctor doesn't, even if for the audience, you know, there was a law that was passed in California that said that for doctors writing exemptions against the COVID shots or any of the shots that they can have their medical license revoked.
Not just sanctioned.
So one of the things that was an issue before, right, is we couldn't, parents didn't feel they could say no on their own.
Right.
So we got lots of parents to stop, start saying no, and then we got the legislators to pay attention and want to legislate the fact that, you know, you can't have an exception, you have an exemption, you have to do this.
All right, so you get enough parents saying no You change things, right?
You get enough pediatricians saying, I'm not going to do it this way.
Say we get 30% of pediatricians to say, no, this is bogus.
We're not going to do it this way.
The medical boards have to change.
Well, in California, they would have to go back and repeal that law because the law is now, I mean, even the pediatricians and the family doctors that were writing medical exemptions.
They're not being allowed.
You know that the person has heart disease.
This child has heart disease.
And we know that one of the main things about COVID shots is- Is myocarditis.
Is causing heart disease.
And so the pediatric cardiologists were writing exemptions to say no, and they were being refused, and they were getting hammered by their state medical boards.
Yep.
It's crazy.
It's absolutely crazy.
These medical boards, A, shouldn't have that kind of power, and B, are just so wrong-headed at the moment.
Well, I agree with you that, you know, and that's one of the things that I know I've done for a really long time.
And I know you've done through Thinking Mom Revolution, both of us who didn't spend any time together talking about it, but came to the same conclusion from different directions.
This has to be a ground up swell.
It will never be a top down change.
Yes.
Yes, absolutely.
And it says that in the book too, toward the end, it says they're never going to admit this.
They're never going to admit we've been hiding this deliberately for decades.
And that's because they're way too invested, as we discussed earlier.
Way too invested.
There's too much.
I don't know what we're allowed to say on your... You can say whatever you want.
Butt covering, shall we say, going on because look what they've created.
I mean, we're still pretending that infectious disease is the main threat to children's health and it's not.
At this point in time, it's chronic disease and we have created so much chronic disease in children and the CDC just wants to just ignore that because they They A, are helping to create it, and B, are not stopping it.
Customers for life, right?
Customers for life, as Mary says.
Yeah, we've been saying that for a long, long time.
You know, customers, let's create customers for life.
And that really got heavy handed for those that are listening.
In 2010, when the Gates Foundation decided to declare the 2010 to 2020 the decade of vaccines, and that they really hammered down and pushed that they created the adult vaccination schedule in 2015.
And want to require every adult to get re-vaccinated for every one of the childhood vaccines.
And then the decade of vaccines, which was the heavy-handed stuff that we did with SB-277 and SB-276 in California.
And then it got spread to New York and Connecticut.
Yep.
And Matt in Maine and and all of those different things.
And so it's a you know, this has been created.
It's been it was the reason why Zoe and you sort of alluded to it.
You said it a little bit was that we were really making getting ground and you know, we gaining ground with parents.
You know, there, I remember reading a couple of articles in about 2013 or 14 that when they would do these surveys and there would be like 62%, 67% of parents were not fully vaccinating their children, that they were still doing vaccines, but they were picking and choosing and they were spreading them apart.
And they really, there's no reason to do polio.
We haven't had polio in this country since 1998 or something like that.
And we're not going to do that.
We're not traveling.
So that's fine.
I remember, too, reading that approximately 30% or so at that point believed that vaccines caused autism.
Yes.
Parents of young children.
We definitely were winning.
They knew we were winning.
They were winning, and so it's like, well, how do we stop this?
We take away their choice.
We make it mandatory.
Exactly.
Eliminate the control group.
Eliminate the control group, you know, and I think that, you know, there's so many people now that are parents, and we said this a little bit ago, that they stayed home during COVID.
You know, they were locked down, and then they started working from home, and then they created online businesses so they could stay at home and continue to educate their children and to take them out of the school system.
And they can observe their children.
And know what they're learning instead of handing them pornographic books in the third grade, you know.
And so I think that it's a, like what Mary said, it's a slower road than those of us that are on the front lines wish because we see it so clearly.
We can't even quite get why people don't see it at all yet, you know.
What do you think, so what's the next step for you on this journey with this book?
What you and Mary are doing with this?
Well, what we've been doing so far is doing a lot of podcasts like this and that's almost the main line of publicity because No one's going to take an ad for this.
You know, none of the mainstream media is accessible to any of the people like us who have been questioning this narrative for a long time, but especially, you know, us people have been doing it for decades and have been on record that way.
So that's going to be, that's an issue.
So the podcasts have been one big way.
And what we've been trying to do is we've sent out books to specific key people who have big followings right now and have not been on, you know, in our contacts list exactly.
You know, people like Vinay Prasad, for instance, who is on the border.
I see him questioning a lot of the COVID narrative.
So much of the COVID narrative that I want to push them a little further.
And Marty McCary, you know, they're the ones who have been Scrupulously looking at data and saying, well, you know, there's no justification for boosters for college students.
It would cause a net negative, right?
So they're looking at that and they're saying that in mainstream publications.
If they're saying that, then let's get them looking a little deeper.
So that's the kind of approach we've had.
And it's successful, but we need something bigger.
So this pediatrician thing could be Could be what we need.
I want to get to more parents, too, though.
Like I said, cutting the demand would be a big thing.
Well, you know, Zoe, that's one of the key things that I've been saying for a long time.
And I always use an analogy on radio and podcasts that I said, you know, if people stopped buying light bulbs, eventually they'd stop making light bulbs.
Exactly.
And if people stopped wanting to inject their children with foreign matter and poison them and refused it, eventually, at least in this country, if there's no money in it, why would they do it?
Yeah.
And then I've heard blowback like from family doctors and some pediatricians saying, we don't really make any money off this.
Oh, yes, you do.
You may not make any money off of the vaccines.
Well, those plus all the earaches and the asthma and the asthma and the pneumonia and the seizure disorders and all of those sorts of things.
You do make money off of that.
That's the customer for life policy.
They may not realize it.
I think a lot of pediatricians have not put together that they are actually creating a lot of their business that way.
If they could just see just one thing, if they could walk into their, you know, when we used to have paper charts, right?
You could walk into your chart room and go, asthma, allergies, eczema, ADD, ADHD, SIDS, SIDS, SIDS, cancer, cancer, cancer, seizure disorders.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
I played a role in that.
Well, that's what happened to Paul Thomas, right?
He saw a couple of his... First, he saw somebody pass out after an HPV vaccine.
And that started him questioning, whoa, wait a minute, maybe this isn't a...
Only a good, you know?
And then he watched as a couple of very healthy children suddenly developed autism in his practice.
And he started really questioning.
And it's really hard to get people to look.
Who said it?
You know, it's hard to get a man to understand something when his livelihood depends on it.
Right.
So yeah, so the more people we can get to take a step back and see the whole picture, the better.
So as we got down here, boy, this time went fast.
Holy cow.
This whole discussion is so great.
It went so fast.
We've got a couple of minutes left here on This Week with Dr. T. What would you like to leave our audience with here?
How would you like to inspire them?
And where can they find your book?
Those two things.
How would you like to inspire them?
And where can they go find the book?
The book is interesting for where they can find it, because the authors are Israeli.
They self-published it in Israel.
They couldn't get a publisher, a normal publisher, to do the book, so they self-published it there.
So they had a good experience doing that.
So that's what they wanted to do here.
So they did it.
via Amazon.
So it is available on Amazon and that is not quite exclusive because it's also available through Jeremy Hammond's website which is jeremyahammond.com and he's got a little book shop or shop where he's got some key things that he appreciates available including this book.
So those are the two ways to get it.
I forgot what the other question was.
What would you like to inspire our listeners here with as we close out the last couple of minutes of our podcast here?
I think the main thing that I want to get across to parents in general is that you have more power than you think you do.
Very good.
Because you can learn this science.
You can challenge your pediatricians.
You can challenge your legislators.
You can challenge at every point along the way, and every time we do, we make waves.
And at some point, we're going to have enough parents doing that, that it's going to change everything.
The vaccine schedule is going to fall like a house of cards, and it's really a question of time.
Oh, that just gave me goosebumps.
That is just so absolutely true and so well stated that once you know what you know, you can't unknow it.
No.
And you can take it to every circle.
Your school boards, your churches, your legislators, your mother-in-law who's an RN.
Yes.
I mean, everybody, right?
This is the perfect book to give an obnoxious in-law who thinks they know about vaccine safety.
It's a great Christmas present, Hanukkah present, Kwanzaa present, birthday present, Mother's Day, all of those things.
Well, Zoe, thank you so much.
And Mary had to hop off, and so we'll say thank you to Mary, too, even though she's no longer on the screen here with us.
So, I'm grateful to both of you guys because we tracked you down for a while.
It took a while to get this arranged, you know.
Everybody's busy and schedules are diverse.
And so, I feel so honored that both of you were able to join us here today on This Week with Dr. T. As we close out, I want to say a special thanks to everyone who joins us every Monday morning at 9 a.m.
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So with that, all of my podcasts, whether they are live or pre-recorded, I always close with one of my favorite books, favorite verses from the Bible, which is Romans 12, 12.
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Trust Him for everything.
He'll never let you down.
We're so grateful to have you here.
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