Hello everybody and welcome to Children's Health Spent Weekly Roundtable.
It is Friday the 25th of November 2022.
I hope you all had a fantastic day yesterday and all intact with your families still.
Fun family times.
We are going to be discussing something very serious today and we are so delighted To have Dr. James Thorpe, Board Certified Obstetrician, Gynaecologist and Maternal Fetal Medicine Physician.
And of course, our wonderful nurse, Nurse Michelle, who's a postpartum nurse.
So welcome to you both and thank you so much for being here.
to alert everybody to what is going on.
Now, this is called What's Happening to Babies in Hospitals.
And so, Dr Thorpe, if we can go straight to you to start with, and then on to our nurse, Michelle.
Thank you.
Well, Polly, thank you so much for having me on.
And I'm so grateful to my family and friends there at Children's Health Defense and really appreciate you hosting us and Michelle.
And it's so good to see you again.
Dr. Hooker, great to see you.
And also, I've seen Dr. Mumper before and Elizabeth.
It's great to see you again.
Amy, thank you for having us on.
This is the most egregious ethical disaster in the history of medicine.
Pushing an experimental gene therapy in pregnant women.
It's unparalleled disaster.
And nobody in our specialty or very few of us will come out and declare that the emperor doesn't have any clothes on.
Thanks to this incredibly brave young woman.
It's going to take incredible courage to come out and do this.
And just since Michelle has done this, she's really spurring others to come on and follow suit.
A new woman.
Another OBGYN, praise the Lord, okay, has come out.
I'm not the only one actively practicing now.
It is attacking the system and showing the horrible results from our own eyes and from our own hearts and our own witnesses.
So, Dr. Kimberly Biss, also from Florida.
I didn't know her before we met.
Michelle's testimony stimulated Dr. Biss, I think, to come out.
And she came out.
And she came out very strong.
Dr. Kimberly Biss.
And also, there's many others.
You know, Christiane Northrup, although she's not actively practicing, she and I are colleagues and we've been around for a long time.
She sees the same thing.
She's attacking the ridiculous stance of the Medical Industrial Complex, the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and the Society of Maternal-Fetal Medicine.
I am aggressively attacking them, as you know, for their stance.
And this just underscores the absurdity of their response.
Continue to push this deadly vaccine, masqueraded as a vaccine, genetic therapy, heretofore never been tested in pregnancy, violates every rule in obstetrics we've ever heard of.
So that being said, thank you for having us on.
Thank you, thank you.
Michelle, let's hear from you and thank you for your bravery and speaking out for sure saving babies.
Please do tell us your story.
Yes.
Thank you for having me on.
It's an honor to be here.
I was able to connect with Dr. Thorpe somehow, but I've been a postpartum nurse for two years.
I started working there November 2020.
We were in the middle of the pandemic and everybody was wearing their N95s and their goggles and everything.
Women were coming in and having their babies.
Um, you know, they were pretty healthy and they'd go home.
So, um, COVID at the time didn't seem that scary on the postpartum floor.
Then, um, the shot came out and it was about March 2021, April 2021, that I really started paying attention.
These health problems started increasing in these mothers.
They started having really high blood pressures and the mothers started delivering babies early.
And when they would come to me, I would notice that they got the vaccine, the COVID vaccine, maybe like a week before.
And then they were all of a sudden in the hospital delivering their babies and their babies would go to NICU.
So I started really paying attention.
I noticed these health problems increasing.
I noticed that these mothers were getting the vaccine.
And then I noticed that we started having fetal demises.
When I would come to work, I would see them listed on the board on the labor and delivery side.
And so I already noticed that these babies were, that these increase of fetal demises were happening, but no one was really saying anything about them.
So when I first started working there, I would see one fetal demise.
Every two or three months.
And then when these shots started coming out, we were starting to see them maybe once a week, I would see them on the board.
And so then I got this email, a horrific email in September.
And I can't believe I even read this email because I felt like it was so obvious that the person who sent it, that there's no way that they don't know.
And so the email said, Um, as you all know, we've had an increase in fetal demises and in the month of August, we've had a record number of fetal demises and then there were 22 for the month of August.
So we went from having one or two every month or so.
And then the shots rolled out and then the last year and a half we have around 20 per month.
And in this email it said that they were projected to increase.
And so the worst part about this is it said you need to brush up on your policies so that you know how to handle a dead baby.
It wasn't even about, oh my God, we don't know why these babies are dying.
We don't, you know, we should get to the bottom of this.
Somebody should be held accountable.
We should find out what's going wrong so that less babies will die.
It was, you need to make sure you know your policy.
Absolutely incredible.
I am so sorry, Nurse Michelle, that you've had to endure that.
Can you give me an idea of the scope of, you know, the size of the hospital that you work at in terms of doing postpartum care?
About how many babies are being seen through the hospital?
And, you know, there wasn't an uptick of babies that correspond with the uptick of fetal demise, was there?
I don't believe so.
I believe between the two hospitals, they're run by the same company, they deliver about 9,000 babies per year.
And that number has been pretty consistent.
Was there any discussion, you know, from a timing perspective, it seems like the authors of that email, you know, you can take one and one and usually it adds up to two.
Was there any discussion in the higher-ups regarding, you know, the coincidence of, you know, the fact that they were vaccinating pregnant women with a vaccine that was not tested on pregnant women and that they were having this uptick in fetal demise?
So from the manager or from the person who wrote that email, I haven't actually talked to her directly.
And when I asked at the nurse's station to two nurses that were there, I said, why are all these babies dying?
And one of them said, I think it's the pesticides.
The one next to her said, something in the water.
And I was just so dumbfounded.
So I really think a lot of people are in a trance and they just don't want to admit that that vaccine could possibly be harming all these moms and babies.
And I've been really paying attention the last year and a half to all these health problems and checking to see if the moms were vaccinated.
And most of the time they are.
But it's very hard to get information from anybody in the higher ups.
Michelle, this reminds me of 2009.
And I work in a city with a relatively small hospital, but our stillbirth rate was, like yours, around one a month or so.
And I remember very vividly having a nurse come and tell me that they'd had 13 stillbirths in one day.
And this was in September of 2009 when We learned later that the flu vaccine was responsible for more side effects, and yet our hospital responded in a similar way.
There was no real sense of outrage, no real sense of let's get to the bottom of this, and certainly no implication that a flu vaccine might have had anything to do with it.
Yeah, I don't understand how people Just brush it off and pretend it's not a big deal.
It is absolutely a big deal.
I do truly believe that babies are given to us by God.
They're meant to bring us love and joy.
And if something comes in between that, trying to take your baby away, to me, that's absolutely evil.
Right.
I don't know how you're bearing witness to all this.
My stomach's in knots.
I mean, I can't imagine going to work every single day and just bearing witness to the evil and the carnage and the death of these babies.
I'm so sorry you have to See that and witness it.
My question for you, Nurse Michelle, is did any of these mothers start to connect the dots?
I mean, clearly you did.
And thank you for, you know, looking at their records and putting two and two together.
And thank you for your bravery to share this with us today on the show.
But do any of these moms realize after, you know, they have this stillbirth that perhaps the vaccine could have done it?
I mean, do you think they're learning anything from it?
I certainly hope that they do consider it, but it really kind of appears that they're not putting it together either.
One mother, her baby went to NICU, he was having some breathing problems, he was Like 33 weeks.
So, you know, pretty premature and she was talking to the lactation consultant about she can't believe that people don't want to get vaccinated because it's so important.
And the lactation consultant said, yeah, you really need that vaccine because the antibodies will go through your breast milk and it'll give your baby antibodies and it was just disgusting.
And so I think a lot of them, They don't see it because so many people are programmed to think that vaccines are good when they're not.
Thank you so much, Michelle.
Dr. Thorpe, I have a question for you and anyone else who wants to answer.
So let me understand this.
In this day and age, a pregnant mother gets a Tdap, a flu shot, and a COVID shot.
Is it just one COVID shot?
That's my first question.
And secondly, we have an RSV.
You're absolutely right.
It's extraordinarily concerning.
This is being rolled out as a future platform.
That's just my opinion.
This is going to kill so many more if you're adding that on top to a pregnant mother.
You're absolutely right.
It's extraordinarily concerning.
This is being rolled out as a future platform.
That's just my opinion.
But I do want to focus on data, and I want to focus on the metrics.
I want to talk a little bit about stillbirth rates that are pretty well nationally documented with a really, really small standard deviation.
You know, you can go to the North America and you can look at several sources.
Birth rate or fetal death rate or stillbirth rate is tracked per thousand deliveries, all deliveries, live and demise.
Whereas neonatal death rate, as you know, is just live births.
So neonatal death is the number of neonates born alive that subsequently died.
Very important.
And of course, a miscarriage is very different from a stillbirth.
A miscarriage is impossible to occur at 20 weeks.
By definition, it turns into a stillbirth.
So, having stated that, I think a few things are really important that we can lean from this really very solid international data.
The stillbirth rate has come down in my career from about 1%, 10 out of 1,000, to almost half that now.
In the last 40 years.
So, if you take the national average, you aggregate those three years, and you're looking at 5.83 per thousand live births.
5.83.
That's in all North America, Canada, United States.
So, if you compare that 5.83 of those three aggregate years, What do you think would have happened to the stillbirth rate in 2020 if COVID-19 was causing the stillbirths?
Well, I can tell you exactly what would happen.
The stillbirth rate would have gone up because, you know, we all lived through it, right?
It didn't go up.
It went down.
It went down from 5.83 per thousand to 5.74 per thousand in 2020.
Now that's not a statistically significant decline, the p-value is not statistically significant, but that's a very important concept.
It's not COVID-19, and I don't think it's fit now, and I don't think my babies, my pre-born babies in the womb, are committing suicide because of the pandemic.
I don't think that's happening.
We must look at other things that have obviously changed from 2020 to 2021.
So, that's important consideration.
So, also, when we look at that stillbirth data, we think about what is the number of standard deviations?
And I don't want to get too technical here, but, you know, Dr. Momper and Dr. Hooker will, I think, appreciate this.
When we look at that data, I have experts telling me that the standard deviation, which is a measure of the variance for the audience, is about 0.5.
0.5 stillbirths per month.
0.5 stillbirths per month.
Okay, so yeah, 0.5 per thousand.
0.5 per thousand deliveries is the standard deviation.
So, think about that.
When you add up the number of deaths, fetal deaths, that this administrative nursing supervisor for all of women's services at both of these hospitals
Says 22 and by the way, I've read the email carefully She says well, there are probably more because these are only the ones that came into labor and delivery So it's not including the ones that came in to emergency room or directly to the operating room or delivered at home No, none of those she said there's probably more than that that we haven't picked up.
So when you look at just 22 and And you divide 9,000 deliveries a year divided by 12 equals 750.
And if you get the expected the what their incidence of the fetal death rate for that month, it was not only the month of August 2022, but also the nurse declared that the same rate was achieved in July of 2021.
So, this is novel, and what kind of deviation is that?
Well, if you take the fetal death rate now has gone from about 5.73 or 5.8 up to 29.3, subtract 29.3 from 5.8, divided by the standard deviations, you're divided by the standard deviations, you're looking at a one-in-a-million-year event, according to statisticians that I talked to.
This is a 40-sigma event.
Now, you say, well, Dr. Thorpe, what do you see in your practice?
I don't practice in California.
But if you are wanting my opinion of my practice, and I'm not allowed to go in and analyze it and pull data, otherwise I'll be fired.
One of my friends has been fired.
for looking at data to protect other patients, even in my specialty.
So we're not allowed to do that.
But if I were to guess, you know, I've done over my administration asked me for my number of patients that I've seen in the last three years.
I've seen over 23,000 patients, high-risk OB patients in the past.
I'm very, very experienced.
I know what I'm doing.
I have my fingertips on the pulse of obstetrical outcomes like nobody else.
I live and breathe this 24-7, just as my beautiful bride, Maggie.
So that's 40 standard deviations.
Now, I've collected data from all over the world.
I've collected data.
I wouldn't expect to see 29.3 in the Midwest.
But my own personal experience, it's up there.
It's not 5.7.
It's probably doubled, if not more.
So we're probably looking at, you know, probably 10.
That's a guess.
I'm guessing.
I can't look at it.
But when we go up to other high vaccination rates in Canada, I have three communities.
Three tight communities, just like we're talking about in California.
And I won't name the doctors, but I've had doctors and care providers all over Canada tell me the same results.
So I'm confident.
They will not give us any hospital records.
And by the way, isn't this interesting?
Canada, Justin Trudeau stopped reporting on the fetal death rates in Canada After the vaccines were rolled out, or before the increase.
So they're not longer reporting, but I have data.
And you know, you're not looking at a 40 Sigma in some of those, you're looking at like a 50 or 60 Sigma standard deviation.
You know, this graph that I'm looking at, you know, it only goes up to 30.
To cover 30 in terms of the stillbirth rate, 30 per thousand births.
In order to get these communities, these three separate isolated communities in Canada on the graph, I had to take the graph, the y-axis, up to 80.
That's how high these were.
So this doesn't occur.
By chance alone.
And I don't want to get too technical, but clearly it's not caused by COVID-19, and clearly this is an aberration.
And yes, I'm seeing this all in my practice.
And I'm screaming at it out loud over a megaphone.
Nobody really cares the van plays on.
James, do you have the baseline rate per thousand for 2021?
You mentioned this baseline rate in the four years previously that was somewhere in the 5.74 to 5.83 range.
to 5.83 range.
Are there any reported out numbers for 2021? - Great question, Dr. Mumford.
I can't find them, Elizabeth.
And I don't know.
I don't know when they're due.
But the last that I have is I have extrapolated and use this just for comparison of I've used the baseline rate of whatever 5.8 or whatever, but we don't have any hard data for 2021.
Dr. Thorpe, I have sort of a related question.
I don't want this to be a rabbit trail, but I just have to ask, when you think of the lipid nanoparticle that's a part of this sort of gene therapy, quote-unquote, vaccine, it goes everywhere.
And there have been distribution studies in individuals and in animal studies that show that it selectively goes into the ovaries of women.
Is there any reason not to expect that the lipid nanoparticles would go into the developing unborn child of a pregnant woman?
Is there anything in the placenta architecture or the cord blood or whatever that would prohibit that?
Or do we just not know?
No, we know.
Of course, it traverses the placenta.
It is a lipid nanoparticle.
It probably concentrates in the placenta and concentrates in the fetus for one simple reason.
The fetus has a much greater lipophilicity content than the adult.
So, most of those fat soluble molecules will, if anything, tend to concentrate.
So, it definitely completely breaches all God-made barriers.
And Brian, that's such an important point because our whole human existence for future generations, it doesn't lie in the sperm.
It lies in my patients' eggs, ova.
And when you have such a massive concentration of those toxic lipid nanoparticles in not only my patients of reproductive age that are pregnant, their ovaries, But also my female fetuses, my preborn baby girls, my patient, preborn patient girls, by 30 weeks gestation, they have all the ova that they'll ever have for their entire life.
And it's only a million or thereabouts.
A man produces a million sperm or 20 million sperm in an hour.
And I'm not being hyperbolic here.
So we are dealing with the future of all humanity in my patient's eggs.
And to push 13 billion shots in 5.3 billion people around the world, including pregnant women, is an assault on humanity.
It's never been tested before.
And Brian, I want to say one other issue, you know, you and I and all of us for good reason, thanks to Dr. Byron Bridal, they got the FOIA request on that Japanese biodistribution study.
But also, you know, recognize the other really important organs that it concentrates in.
You know, a fetal thyroid is like, relative, probably 50 to 100 times the size of an adult.
relative to its birth weight.
It's massive!
And what does a fetal thymus gland do?
The thymus gland is the seed of immunity for the entire lifetime of that child of God in the womb.
And that explains why I'm seeing so much veins Vaccine-Associated Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome in the babies.
And not only that, all kinds of autoimmune disease, all kinds of blood clotting, cardiac issues.
It's very, very disturbing.
This is highly disturbing.
Dr. Thorpe, thank you for sharing all of that.
So not only are we seeing the babies dying, but if they are able to be born, we're going to see dysregulation of their immune systems, autoimmune disease, all these other issues.
So we're looking at lifelong chronic illness or shorter lifespan.
And as you're sharing these numbers, you know, talking about the 40 Sigma differential, I'm just curious, is there anyone, any statisticians out there that are now extrapolating that to say this is what the birth rate will look like in the next 5, 10, 20, 30 years?
I mean, what is this going to do to humanity?
Is there anyone who's doing that analysis to see what's really the long-term impact?
Could you talk about that?
Yeah, I've done that and I've talked to experts, many experts over the last month, coming up with a mathematical model with very simple assumptions.
First of all, what you're saying is absolute fact.
It was prophetic, Amy, but it's come true.
I have 10 slides in my deck right now from 10 different countries all over the world whose birth weights have plummeted, live earthquakes plummeted all over the world.
And, you know, in terms of the sigma estimation, that varies from anywhere from, you know, two to six sigma, you're looking at 10%, 15% in some country drop.
But let's just consider if you take, you know, you can take like one of my esteemed colleagues, who I really like Dr. Dan Marble, And many others, they're convinced that there'll be a massive die-off within five years.
I've never really, I guess I've been afraid to believe that or receive that, and I'm a little bit more hopeful.
But if you put together numbers that are right now that are conservative, let's just say there's a 10% drop in birth rate.
Let's make another second assumption.
There's a 10% increase in all-cause mortality.
You got to make it country-specific.
And the third thing, let's assume a 10% decline in lifespan.
If you put those three together in a model, I mean, I've had statisticians say that this is catastrophic.
It looks like Dr. Ben Marble's outlook.
Even if you take 1% instead of 10%, 1% by 50 years there's not many human beings left.
So I don't want to dwell on that because it's highly theoretical and it's just It's just modeling, and I don't know that for sure.
What I like to focus on in these interviews is, and in my message to the world, I want to talk only about what I'm absolutely certain to be true.
With 43 years of obstetrical experience, with having served on the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology as an examiner, Having served as a Board of Director of Society of Maternal and Fetal Medicine for three or four years, and, you know, having testified under the Bush administration in 2003 for my expertise on fetal therapy in the womb, I'm telling you what I know to be true.
And I've published, you know, extensively on this subject and on other subjects.
I know my clinical medicine.
I'd be willing to bet a bullet in my head That's how certain I am of the data.
Dr. Thorpe, that's really very dramatic, and I think that clearly your credentials speak for themselves.
One of my frustrations in this whole pandemic has been how clinicians in the trenches, like you and me, are not really consulted with these decisions, which are made in committees by people that really aren't seeing patients.
My question to you is about whether you're aware of any babies that are actually being autopsied.
As a pediatrician, I know that that's extraordinarily hard to obtain because you've got these parents at the very depths of grief and it's very difficult to even broach that.
But is anybody actually doing the pathology on the babies the way they're starting to do pathology on adults?
No, I'm so sorry to say, it's an incredible question, Dr. Michael, but I'm so sorry to say that now, not to my knowledge, but remember, you know, as soon as that umbilical cord is clamped, you know, I lose control of my patient, becomes a pediatric patient.
So, it's my patient while it's in the womb until the cord gets clamped and when it's out of the birth canal or out of the c-section.
I do keep track of it, but it is out of my wheelhouse.
It's a great question.
What about the placenta?
You get to see the placentas.
Is anybody sending that?
Because otherwise it gets thrown away.
It'd be interesting to see I definitely see differences and I've had people from all over the world send me placental pictures and I'm convinced that there is a correlation.
My strongest Trojan horses are out in California.
with Michelle.
And I've got some Trojan horses out there.
They're sending a lot of stuff.
And yeah, I see almost a sign.
I won't say a sine qua non, but I see typical changes that occur.
Interestingly, different from Moderna versus Pfizer about eight weeks after.
And interestingly, and unfortunately, those Again, this is not proof.
This is just my observation.
I'm seeing it even a year after the vaccine.
Now, Dr. Ryan Cole and many other experts from around the world, we're getting together and we're funding some research to look specifically at this, at the placenta.
And specifically, Ryan's got some stains that can document Whether there's a PU mRNA, that is the pseudo uridinated mRNA, that only comes from the vaccine.
Now you all aware, is that despite trying to whitewash these findings, two, I will say, liberal medical journals with liberal authors have documented that there's intact PU mRNA in a vesicle in breast milk.
Let that sink in.
There's extraordinarily disastrous concerning potential consequences of that.
If that PU mRNA from the vaccine brought into the cell by a lipid nanoparticle, it's reprocessed in the cell to have a physiologic vesicle, undergoes pinocytosis, released into the blood, can go to any other cell in the body, including The OVA or including any other cell and then it can be expressed.
It can go on the breast milk.
And you all are more expert at breast milk than I am, but I'm aware of data that's saying that, you know, that swallowed by breast milk may well be absorbed intact in the newborn.
Why do I say that?
Well, I have some data that even some lymphocytes in mom's breast milk are absorbed intact.
So, it would be very conceivable for me to know that PU mRNA is absorbed intact.
And then where else is it secreted then?
By sweat glands?
By salivary glands?
By cervical secretions?
By vaginal secretions?
By semen?
Urine?
Feces?
Nasal droppings?
Exhaled?
We don't know that.
Absolutely incredible.
Nurse Michelle, I wanted to turn back to you really quick.
What you're doing is so heroic.
And shining a light on, you know, this whole issue.
I want to see you.
You have made the choice to not say, oh, it must be pesticides or, oh, it must be something in the water.
Has there been any level of retaliation or any level of of of threatening behavior?
In terms of, you know, if you expose this or if you connect the dots then, you know, don't come around here or whatever.
What have you experienced?
So, I haven't experienced any retaliation yet.
I do anticipate that it's coming, possibly after this show, you know, once somebody catches on.
I thought about this and my mom was killed in November by Remdesivir.
They wouldn't allow me to come in and help take care of her.
I begged to be in there and she needed me there.
So I truly believe that my mom sacrificed herself because I was so distraught by what happened to her that I decided I'm going to make this right.
And so when this started coming out with the babies, Babies, you know, the demises and all these health problems and the moms.
I just connected the dots and I know that my mom sacrificed herself because she knew that I would take care of this.
And so I am really not worried about losing my job because if being a nurse means that you just sit back and you watch babies die and you don't speak out and you don't fight for For them, then I don't want to be a nurse.
And I took an oath to do no harm when I became a nurse.
And so did everybody else that I work with, and they all forgot, apparently.
And so if they're going to fire me because I will not harm a patient, then they don't deserve me.
Wow, Michelle.
Amen to that.
Thank you for you and all that you're doing.
This is a question, I think, for Dr. Thorpe.
But if anybody else wants to answer it, please do.
And I don't know that you'll have the answer to this.
And judging from what you've just spoken about, you probably most likely don't.
We get a lot of people writing to Children's Health Defence asking for help.
And one of the biggest questions we get, particularly from the military, is If the father has been vaccinated, often because they're in the military, and the mother hasn't, what is the safety issues of when they can have sex again?
Is it going to affect future babies?
And we are getting reports of unvaccinated mothers.
I mean, you know what I mean when I use this terminology.
Also miscarrying as well.
We are hearing this as well.
Could this be the so-called shedding?
Do you know the answers to any of this?
Yeah, I do.
Dr. Brian Hooker does, too, because he's a co-author and working on the next project.
And Brian, Dr. Hooker, is an expert on this, as is Dr. Raphael Stricker and many of my other CHG family around the country, thanks to this platform.
You have helped fund research on MyCycleStory.
Thank you, CHT.
MyCycleStory, Tiffany Prado is the founder of MyCycleStory, and you all know that, but Dr. Hooker and I were authors, we were honored to be authors on this first And the second paper is about ready to come out.
Let me just summarize by saying that that data, which is obtained by respondent data, we have essentially, and Dr. Hooker, correct me if I'm wrong, and I want to hear your take on this, but in the current project that's unpublished, which is part two, has unequivocally shown
That, you know, it's only 20% of those large number of women that had abnormal menstrual periods last year.
It started last year, by the way.
And only about 20% of them were vaccinated.
So we excluded all the ones that were vaccinated.
And now in this study, we're looking at, well, let's focus on the 80% that were unvaccinated.
Let's try to tease this out.
And it turns out that one of our team, we have so many incredible folks that you guys have supported, that I've been so blessed to have the honor and privilege of working with you.
And Sue Peters is one of them.
She's amazing.
And we have many, many others.
But if you tease that out, it turns out that what was most predictive of those women having the menstrual abnormalities of the unvaccinated Proximity score.
We did a proximity score.
So we took, you know, take a score that ranges essentially nobody ever gets exposed, you know, somebody that just stays in their house and never gets exposed and you take a scale up to, you know, X number of variables and to a person that's sleeping and living.
And working with people that are vaccinated.
So, that propensity score, if you will, which is a surrogate, I believe, for shedding, there's no doubt about that.
And I think that as clinicians, even myself in my practice, I've noticed the same thing.
There's too many patients.
I noticed the same thing and many, many patients around the country, including my beautiful bride who's never been vaccinated.
You know, we go into a restaurant and there's anybody within six feet of her that's been vaccinated.
I can see it in her face.
You know, I can't describe it because I don't have those symptoms.
I'm not a responder, but she is, and I can see it.
I mean, within minutes, she gets the same symptoms and she can tell.
So there's, and that's just anecdotal on my part, but there's thousands of physicians around the world that are as convinced as I am.
And I know that Dr. Ryan Corey and many of us are working on assays.
And I think Dr. Corey has an assay for the spike protein, which will be, I think, work out with not only breath and bodily fluids, but also sweat.
So I think we'll be able to ferret that out.
But I'm sorry to say that I know we need more grace because nobody's giving us the support, financial or any other type of support, to look at issues like this and In fact, it's actively frowned upon and we get persecuted if we ask these questions.
Just quickly, I want to jump in on Dr. Hook.
I know you're coming in now as well, but I just quickly want to ask you both this one question because it's vitally important.
The thinking is that this is mRNA only, so what I'm seeing particularly in the military, that they're saying it's okay, I'm going to go with Johnson & Johnson.
I don't think that's safe either.
Am I correct?
As far as I'm concerned, you're correct.
I absolutely agree.
I think you're correct and I think spike protein shedding is, you know, it's something that the J&J vaccine is what's called an adenovirus vaccine with a DNA vector, not an RNA vector, but you're still a spike protein production factory.
And so, you know, It creates a huge problem.
I'm privy to information that I just got from what's called the DMED database.
It's the Department of Defense database.
And they're looking at dysmenorrhea, you know, basically changes in the menstrual period.
And in terms of the entire DOD complex, if you look at the rate of dysmenorrhea that had been reported from 2017 to 2020, and then you compare it to 2021, in 2021, the rate of dysmenorrhea jumped in 2021, the rate of dysmenorrhea jumped by 400%, 9%.
Not, not 4%, not, you know, not 40%, but 400%.
And it wasn't, you know, in 2021, not everybody, not every woman that a DOD complex had been vaccinated.
So I'm sure that there are some bystanders effects there.
And Dr. Thorpe, you're so astute at talking about proximity score, because like you said, exactly what we're seeing in my cycle story is that dysmenorrhea completely correlates with proximity score.
The more that you are in contact with somebody who has been vaccinated and who is presumably secreting the spike protein and possibly secreting mRNA, the more we're seeing these effects.
Polly, could I just make a point?
So, you know, I know that we're all focused on spike protein, but the recent two reports this year of showing intact pseudouridinated mRNA In an exosome or a vesicle in breast milk opens up a huge can of worms.
We don't know absolutely for sure that it's by protein.
It probably is, but until Ryan Cole and the market gets that assay out, we don't know.
We're speculating.
This could be exosomes with PU mRNA in it.
Or it could also be another protein, one of the other proteins, the 27 proteins that the PU mRNA or the DNA and the adenovirus vector could occur.
And in terms of the dysmenorrhea and the menstrual irregularity, and also the fetal death, and by the way, the heavy, heavy postpartum hemorrhage and bleeding and preeclampsia and all the other things, Okay, I think it's very, very probable that that could be related to an event such as a mother who's pregnant that gets in close proximity.
It's very scary for me to think about, but it's very plausible.
We just don't have that data yet.
Dr. Thorpe, is there any evaluation on, you know, all of these factors that the person's secretor status, you know, their immune system status, because everyone knows someone where they've come in contact with someone who had recently been vaccinated, and then they're fine.
It doesn't disrupt their cycle.
They seem to be okay.
They're not getting sick.
They're not showing adverse effects.
While there's other people who immediately are exposed, and like you said, even your wife, instantly you can see some type of effects.
So, you know, what are all the differences that contribute to that?
And I know there's many, but why some people are reacting or responding right away based on exposure while others don't?
It's a great question, Amy.
I think, Amy, you probably know, as do all of us on this panel here, that there's a huge individuality in terms of response.
I look at people as being responders or non-responders.
And, you know, I'm a classic Example of a non-responder.
I'm sure if I had taken the vaccine, I probably would have been fine, although I never did and I never will.
I'll never take another vaccine again in my life.
I don't trust the CDC.
But I think that the point is that you have people like Maggie, my beautiful bride, Who literally can, I doubted her years and years and years ago.
I thought, you know, no way, but she can literally smell one molecule or she can taste one molecule or one molecule of any drug she can feel in her body, which is so, I'm a direct opposite.
So I'm a non-responder.
So there's a lot of individual variation.
Now to address to your point, I think that, you know, Dr. McCullough and I have talked about this, that there appears to be a genetic grouping of those that are at risk.
And again, I won't mention any names, but there are family members of groupings that are at significant risk for vaccine use.
And it's not from the same lot.
I think it's from the, you know, common effects of genetics, proteomics, RNA genetics, DNA genetics, epigenetics, you name it.
There's just a whole lot of idiosyncrasy with regards to who gets affected by the vaccine or by shedding.
Dr. Thorpe, I want to go back to some of the information you presented in Orlando at the FLCCC conference.
I guess it's been almost a month ago now.
I recalled that you stated that the miscarriage rate after COVID vaccine seemed to be somewhere in the relative risk area of 57, in other words, 57 times more likely.
And if I wrote it down correctly, One of the things you did was make a comparison to the flu, which I actually thought was quite clever, because many people, when they look at the VAERS data, they try to say, well, the reason that we're seeing so many adverse reactions is that we're just giving it to so many more people than any other vaccine.
But we've actually looked at that and compared adverse events with flu vaccine to adverse events with COVID vaccine.
And the amount of adverse events with COVID vaccine is clearly many times higher.
And so, what I had written down, and I want to clarify that this was right, is you reported a 1200-fold increase in menstrual abnormalities related to COVID vaccinations being given out than flu vaccinations.
So, I think that's a useful comparison because For one thing, the politicians and the manufacturers are now trying to set up this false equivalency with flu vaccine and COVID, you know, get them both, even get them at the same time.
And we see this huge increase in adverse events with COVID compared to flu.
Amen.
You're absolutely right, Dr. Moffitt.
Just in looking at that, if you look at the CDC, and we've referenced this in our paper, what the CDC advises with regard to interpreting VAERS is proportional ratio reporting, PRR, and they say the PRR of two or greater is a danger signal.
Okay, when you look at two and you look at a You know, 57-fold increase in miscarriage rate at 1,200.
That's a long way.
I had to put that on a semi-log graph so that it wouldn't go out a mile.
You're absolutely right.
The other issue that this brings up is odds ratio versus PRR versus relative risk.
And those terms are always confusing.
You know, like, So, I want to be real clear that VAERS is really kind of looking at more like a PRR, you know, rather than an odds ratio or a relative risk, depending, and we all variously define those differently, but it's my understanding that, like, for example, if you say the baseline risk pre-pandemic was, you know, let's just say 10%, or let's say 10% of women had menstrual dysfunction, uterine bleeding.
Well, how can you have a 1,200 fold increase in that?
Because only a 10 fold would be 100%, so you can't get beyond 100%.
And that's right, if you think about that.
So we're looking at likelihood ratios, maybe, or hazard ratios, depending on how you define that.
But you're absolutely right.
It's a stunning increase.
And it's the same thing with all the problems.
And people have criticized me, and you could criticize me, for using the control group as the influenza vaccine.
But I do think it's pretty clever because people have criticized me because they've said, well, there's risk of miscarriage and risk of complication from influenza vaccine.
I said, yeah, you're right.
Yeah, I want to give them every advantage they can to try to disprove me.
But we've been using that in pregnancies since 1997 when it was recommended by the CDC.
Thank you, thank you.
I just want to go back to Michelle.
Michelle, I cannot get out of my head, and I'm sure my other co-host is thinking the same thing, of you having to go into work and looking at the board with the dead babies listed up there.
Michelle, have you noticed any difference in the vaccinated mothers in their health?
And also the vaccinated babies or the babies that survive, what about them?
Are you seeing ill health in the ones that do survive?
Yes, I believe I am.
With the mothers, they're having blood pressure issues where they'll come in and labor and their blood pressure is really high.
So they'll have an emergency C-section, hoping that by removing the baby, their blood pressure will come down.
And there's been a few instances where their blood pressure doesn't come down.
They still have to be on these intense medications.
Intense monitoring, you know, they're pretty critical.
And then I have noticed a few moms having more blood clots when I go to check their bleeding.
They, you know, multiple clots are coming out, so that's unusual.
There's been a few moms where their eyes, the blood vessels in their eyes have burst, so they're bloody behind their eyes, and that's kind of scary.
And then, so pretty much a lot of circulatory issues in the moms.
And then the babies, it's a little hard to tell because they're only one or two days old before they usually go home.
But I've been seeing many of them look kind of bruised on their face.
You know, they sort of have a different color to their face.
Some of them are really sleepy.
Um, and we check for jaundice and that doesn't, I think the jaundice it's, it's still a little high, but I think it was high before.
And I kind of think that might be from vitamin K shots actually.
Um, but with the babies, if they're not that sick, they come to me.
So it appears that the vaccinated moms, a lot of the babies go to NICU, which is the neonatal intensive care unit.
And if they end up in the NICU, it appears that they have breathing problems.
They've been doing extra echoes on babies, checking their hearts and things like that.
But I don't really get to see that part because normally if they have those things going on, they end up in the NICU.
Because let me get this right.
So the mothers have had the COVID, the Tdap and the flu, then they have these babies, the ones that survive, then have vitamin K and hep B.
Uh-huh.
I haven't seen... I don't know how any baby survives that.
And are you seeing... Exactly.
...fetal demise after that?
So they're born alive and then they have this shot.
Are you seeing an increase in death?
So, usually the mothers lately have been coming into the hospital to deliver their baby.
And when they put the monitors on them, they discover that the baby already passed away.
That's what's been mostly happening.
But it's barbaric and it's... I just want to know, like, when does it end?
When do they stop injecting babies with stuff?
Because you're right.
They don't need vitamin K. They don't need hepatitis B. They don't need the useless eye ointment.
They don't need any of that.
And so, when does it stop?
And then all the shots when moms are pregnant.
When do they stop?
And why aren't these doctors giving informed consent?
True informed consent.
Michelle, I think you're wonderful, and if you do get fired, please come back to me, because I'm going to see if I can find you a job on CHDTV.
There's always a brighter light at the end of the tunnel.
I'm going to hand over to Dr. Walker to ask a question, but Michelle, seriously, I think you're an amazing human being.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Well, Michelle, you partially answered this question, and I'll open this up for Dr. Thorpe as well, but what's going to happen to these babies that do survive?
The amount of carnage that the spike protein does, I mean it basically hangs off the endothelium and it destroys cell membranes and it interacts with the ACE2 receptor and that gives it entry into cells where it can do frank damage directly to cell endothelium directly and it's lining the vessel walls.
What can we expect to see with the children in this generation that were exposed to the COVID-19 vaccine prenatally or got it, you know, at six months of age?
It's speculation, Brian.
Sure.
I can only speculate.
I don't know these things to be true.
But what I am seeing is that severe Vaccine-induced immunodeficiency syndrome.
Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome.
And I have family members, I have grandchildren, you know, that I see in my patients.
You know, nurses saying, Dr. Thorpe, you know, I took my baby in to the pediatrician and they did antibody levels and there's no antibodies.
And it's like, yeah, well, okay.
So that might not be a problem.
But what are your doctors doing?
Well, they want me to go back and do a double dose.
So I took a double dose of all the vaccines.
And then I still didn't get an antibody reaction to it.
So now they're giving my baby an adult dose.
This is a kind of of rational science that is being practiced in a huge hospital.
So you can understand that for several mistakes in that line of reason, first of all, why does a baby need a vaccine to begin with?
And if you don't understand and recognize that the reason why the baby can't mount an immune response is because you got COVID vaccination when you're pregnant, then it's hard to connect those dots.
But the kids are constantly sick.
The kids are coming up with severe symptoms, autoimmune disease.
You know, we talked about, Brian, you and I have talked about the component.
I look at this And again, I'm not speaking out of absolute knowledge.
I'm not willing to take a bullet in my head for this one because I am speculating.
I think it's very probable that the cause of this extensive bleeding and these abnormalities, say even in our menstrual women, I don't think that it's improbable that it's caused by the syncytin-like protein that was embedded into the COVID-19 mRNA.
It's what it codes for is a protein that is too similar.
It's identical to syncytin.
Syncytin is necessary at the level of the endometrium.
And if it creates an autoantibody, which it does, Then that, I think, could attribute to the menstrual irregularities, the heavy bleeding, the complications in pregnancy.
Contribute is a key word.
I don't know this for sure.
I'm speculating.
But also, I want, you know, for this incredible family at CHD and the immense work that, you know, that Counselor Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
and, you know, Dr. Andy Wakefield, you know, in their how many babies that they maimed and sterilized in Africa.
I mean, you know that better than I do.
But this is now 20 generations beyond that.
Now what do they do?
Now they encoded syncytin into a pseudourinated mRNA that causes an antibody reaction.
Autoimmune disease to syncytin doesn't allow a normal conceptus to implant in the endometrium because it's...
So, you see how they've gone from what RFK and Andy Wakefield documented, proven, I vetted that movie and all the science behind it and the patents and the doctors that were interviewed over there.
Think about if indeed this is designed this way, it's frightening.
It truly is frightening.
I mean, it's just crimes against humanity to hear, you know, this carnage that's happening and the death and destruction.
And we're so grateful for the work that you guys are both doing.
So thank you so much, Dr. Thorpe and Nurse Michelle, for your bravery, for your courage, for speaking out and sharing this information, because this is dark.
This is heavy stuff.
I mean, this was a heavy, serious show, but We have to shine a light on it.
And that's what we do.
That's what you guys are doing.
We're so thankful for you, you know, for doing that and sharing your story, sharing your clinical experience, what you're seeing firsthand, because that's what we need to do in order to end all of this.
So I would ask all of our listeners and our viewers today to share this episode.
If you know anyone who's thinking about having children or who is pregnant, share this episode widely so they can be warned and they can, in fact, Hopefully learn and have the opportunity for informed consent because we industrial complex typically does not allow for that.
And that's our job here at CHD is to share this information and share the truth.
So people have that opportunity.
So we're so thankful for what you guys do.
Thank you again, Dr. Thorpe.
Can I put a make a plug, please?
Sure, of course.
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They have made an immense difference just in My life in the last year, you know, being, you know, embraced by colleagues like Brian Hooker and Elizabeth Mumper and all the others.
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And I just want to add, you know, Nurse Michelle, you talked about, you know, the moms just not knowing any better.
We are constantly putting out educational materials and we're going to continue to do that and really try to target the moms because they need to wake up and they need to be informed.
So that's an effort you're going to see more of us doing to reach more of the youth and also get the word out that being an unvaccinated child does in fact bring you true health.
And Dr. Hooker will have his book coming in 2023, Vaxxed vs. Unvaxxed, Let the Science Speak.
That shows that indefinitely, you know, analyzing well over 60 studies and really showing that those who don't get the vaccines are in fact much healthier, much better health outcomes.
So we will continue to share all of that information and news to hope to really make a difference.
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