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Aug. 18, 2022 - Jim Fetzer
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The New JFK Show #270 Carlos Gutiérrez Menoyo / Lee Oswald's Passport
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Welcome to the new JFK Show number 270.
We're going to be using the JFK blog, which is Larry is in control of.
So his Spanish is a lot better than mine.
So we're going to turn it over to Larry after Jim gives us a few words.
Well, it's just horrific to have the gang back here.
I was doing the course on critical thinking and conspiracy theories for 15 weeks.
So happily, that's now come to a conclusion, conflicted with the time we're doing these shows.
And we're so glad to have Larry, Gary, and me back in the saddle again.
Larry, I've made you the host.
Take it over, my friend.
Thank you, Jim.
A lot of things going on, of course, as we continue.
To plow through records and new information coming out and we've got a special show tonight because we're going to subdivide it here.
The first part of the show is going to be on something that would have happened in Cuba and Havana and which would have changed history all together regarding Fidel Castro.
And the other person at the end, we're going to talk about Lee Oswald's actual passport, the one that he took in New Orleans in June of 1963, the summer where Orestes Peña, I believe it was the 25th of June, and they both did their passports on the same day.
And that passport in particular, Jim and Gary, I don't think of anybody who has ever seen it before.
I think tonight we're gonna show it for the first time.
And it's not... Huh?
Another JFK exclusive.
Yeah, yeah, because everybody talks about Lee's passport from when he went to the Soviet Union and won the 1959, all right?
But nobody talks about passport D092526, which is the one That was given to Lee when he renewed it in June of 1963, and what he did or what did not do with that passport is what really intrigues me, and we'll talk about that in a minute.
I'm gonna go up right here real quick and talk about this guy, Carlos Gutierrez Menoyo.
Rambo!
Yeah!
Rambo, and I promise you that Half of the moves are based upon this guy.
They should make a movie about this guy, you know?
When you go and fight, you know, in...
In Africa, you know, in the African theater, World War II, and after, you know, you're only 15, 16 years old, you leave Spain after Franco, you know, the fascists take over the country, and you decide to go to France, and all of a sudden, World War II explodes, you know?
And you find yourself fighting with Leclerc in Africa, you know, against Rommel and, you know, that kind of thing, Jim.
Jim, you know, we're talking about, hey, you know, a teenager, you know, and maybe we need to, you know, talk about this guy a little bit, you know, and how he could have affected history had he done what he tried to do on that 13th day of March 1967, where, you know, a group of student freedom fighters, you know, tried to take out Fulgencio Batista.
on that attack on the presidential palace.
And that's where Carlos Monoyo comes in, you know.
And, you know, let's talk about this guy.
Throw that thing up.
You want to screen share?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let me screen share real quick.
I thought I had already done it.
Cut.
Here you go.
Yeah, whenever you see him moving, they're coming through with the machine guns, trying to get him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Gutierrez Menoyo, you know, very important family, you know, in the fight against Castro.
Eloy, by the way, the younger brother, fought against Batista from the Escambray Mountains, you know, the SNFE, Segundo Frente del Escambray, which was a Nacional, and they were fighting against Batista, but from a position closer to Havana, where Fidel Castro, once he settled in the Sierra Maestra,
was west of Eloy, okay, and his group was west of Eloy, okay, and his group of guerrillas fighting from the Escambray Mountains, which were only a couple of hours away from Havana, Jim and Gary.
So when Castro finally arrived in Havana after, you know, at the beginning of 1959 there, you know, Eloy and William Morgan, the American freedom fighter who went up to fight with him, they had been waiting for Castro the American freedom fighter who went up to fight with him, they had been waiting for Castro for So, So, the story of Carlos Guterres, you know, is incredible.
So, let's just talk about this guy for maybe 20 minutes and then we'll move on to the passport thing.
Yeah, go ahead and read it for us, Jim.
Sure.
Some historical figures tend to be forgotten, if not ignored altogether, as the non-stop river of time and history flows on.
Others take on a larger-than-life aura because of their bravery and willingness to put their ideology above their own lives.
Such is the case of one Carlos Gutierrez Minoya, Of course, his younger brother, Elroy, obtained fame and notoriety in the late 1950s and early 60s that Carlos never did.
However, it was Carlos who paved the way for Eloy to take the baton and run with it in their quest to liberate Cuba from the clutches of, first, a nasty dictatorship, and second, The communist state that came after the successful revolution that got rid of the dictatorship.
Unfortunately, neither of them was successful, and only the accurate portrayal of their struggles remains as consolation.
Eloy's story is highly convoluted, where at times documents contradict each other.
That is not surprising, because after he broke with Castro in 1960, the state-controlled media continuously painted him in a negative light.
And let me just say real quick here, Jim, that the reason that that happened in 1960 is when Aloy was very smart and, you know, and perceptive in what was going on.
And when he saw people like Che Guevara, you know, who were Marxists, you know, and communists, and how the revolution was starting to, yeah, yeah, some people, you know, To be remunerated, you know, when they shouldn't have been, you know, and that kind of thing.
And so, the first thing that Eloy said, look, you know, if there's any communist element here, you know, I want to know about it, and I'm not going to be a part of it.
And that's exactly, and he stuck to that, you know, until he died, you know, Eloy.
And we're talking about Eloy, who was Carlos's younger brother, all right?
And he's the one that fought with, you know, in the Escambray to take out Batista at the end, and they waited for Castro for a whole week in Havana before, and that's how the whole thing was consummated.
So let's go.
You mean they waited for Castro to actually make the entry into Havana, Yeah, because they were only a couple of hours away in the Escambray, which is a little southeast of Havana.
I should have put up a map here to show off, but Fidel was in the Sierra Maestra, which was Oriente, well east of Havana, that's why it took him a whole week to get there, you know, after, you know, Aloy and his people had already been there for a whole week.
Yeah, would it be the case that Aloy then could have dumped Batista but they waited for Castro because he was to be the leader of the new state?
Exactly, and which Fidel, you know, Was in the right place at the right time, you know, because all of the and this is part of what we're going to talk about here tonight.
How he he was the last man standing, you know, so and because the people that were involved in the in the assault in the palace in 1957 that we're going to talk about which included Carlsman oil.
Those were the people that would have taken Cuba, you know, into, you know, the 1960s, you know, and then we'll talk about, real quickly here, Echeverria, who was the student, the leader of the student movement in the University of Havana, and he was also part of this whole thing that we're going to talk about here.
Where they tried to assassinate Batista in his presidential palace.
Yeah, the problem with overthrowing governments is the guy that comes behind him is not exactly what you had in mind.
Kind of like the new boss is the same as the old boss.
And that's a lot of what happened with Eloy later on, because when they tried to say, hey, you know, we got other people here, we'll invade, you know, 1961.
But, you know, most of the people that were going to come Would have been Batista cronies, so it would have been the whole thing all over again.
And that's what Eloy, you know, did not want.
You know, he wanted, you know, democracy.
He wanted elections and that kind of thing.
So Carlos is his brother, his older brother.
The Carlos side of the battle, on the other hand, would certainly provoke special interest because of his international exposure in Spain and the European World War II theaters of war.
Who was this guy who almost single-handedly changed Cuba and world history?
Had he taken out Fuguecito Baptista that fateful afternoon of 13 March 1957?
So he actually had that opportunity.
Yeah, right here, in a rare self-published booklet titled El Radarista, a short story by Eloy while he was in prison, actually.
He spent, I believe, 22, 25 years in prison.
And his daughter, Elena Patricia, who was my friend, included in this epilogue an essay by an individual using the pseudonym Pedro Páramo.
Like, Pedro Páramo is one of the most important novels of Latin America.
By Juan Trujillo in 1955.
A surrealist type of novel which, you know, just blows my... I'm not going to go into that at this moment, but very, very famous, top of the line.
And so this guy with a pseudonym, Pedro Páramo, he writes, you know, this little story about Carlos Gutiérrez and the whole family, you know, and how they had been fighting against Franco's fascism in Spain, and where the family, the patriarch, Dr. Carlos Gutiérrez Zabaleta, was drafted as a doctor into the Republican Army, and to firstborn José Antonio, who died in battle in October 1937.
That was the, you know, The oldest to their history in Cuba, beginning with Carlos Gutiérrez Menoyo, who became the military leader in Havana of the DRE, the Directorio Revolucionario Estudiantil.
And who died in the attempted assault on Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista's presidential palace.
And then to all the way to Aloy, you know, as we go down, you know, the family tree, who founded the SNFE, Segundo Frente Nacional de Descambre, which we've been talking about, where the mountain ridge, you know, right south of Havana.
And later take Carlos's place in an effort to liberate Cuba from the U.S., from the U.S.-supported Batista dictatorship.
So this is all, you know, from an article, and this is a very rare photo that I found, and I found this in Cuban blogs from Cuba, you know, that you can go and visit.
There's a lot of information coming out now before, I believe, when there were restrictions on the internet, Jim, and maybe you can, you know, chime in here on that, you know, over the years, if that has been improving or, because before I remember that, you know, it was forbidden, you know, but it seems today that there are certain blogs, you know, and a lot of these talk about
You know, Carlos Gutierrez Menoyo and, you know, the assault on the presidential palace when they tried to take out Batista there, you know.
So, as you know, the Internet is, you know, supposed to be completely wide and open, but There was a golden age from around 1980 to 95 when actually it was very open and you really couldn't find almost anything that anyone had ever published or put up.
It was a wonderful period, but too many were learning too many truths about the corruption of their own government for them to be able to sustain freedom.
Everything was going fine until Jim wrote this book called Sandy Hook.
All right, so you can pick it up there.
It should be noted that Carlos would join the French resistance under General Philippe Leclerc in France at 16 during World War II.
He anticipated campaigns in Africa versus Rommel, who along with Patton were probably the two greatest tank commanders in world history.
He fought in Italy and later landed at Normandy, continuing all the way to Germany.
He rode triumphantly into Paris upon its liberation and was a seasoned resistance veteran by the time Batista took over in 1952, having also participated, along with Fidel Castro and Rolando Masferrer, in the Cairo Conference attempt to invade the Dominican Republic and overthrow Rafael Leonardo Estrujillo in 1914.
A very, quite a forgotten event in history there in 1947 where, you know, Cuba, you know, Trujillo of course, you know, notorious as he was, and another dictatorship, you know, in the Caribbean, and where this would, you know, this group of freedom fighters would try to go and take out Trujillo in 1947.
And Carlos was right in the middle of all this.
And if you look at the map, Cayo Confita was right on the north edge there of Cuba.
And from there they would have passage to the Dominican Republic.
And then after that, you're going to find out that this whole thing got turned out completely around when Trujillo tried to invade and take out Fidel Castro in 1960 in the Trinidad Affair.
So this is like a back and forth thing going on here.
Okay, so anyway, we'll go ahead to hear on Here's Carlos who joined the French Resistance during World War II.
A photo of him entering the liberated Paris aboard a Leclerc division tank.
He was a formidable warrior.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I see.
That is the presidential palace.
Batista's.
All right.
And this is what happened on 13th of March, 1957.
And this This whole operation, which was led by mostly two people, like I said, Jose Antonio Echeverria, the guy who was the leader of the students in Havana, and Carlos Gutierrez Minoyo, who was in charge of the military aspect of the operation.
The only first-hand accounts of the assault on the presidential palace above on 13 March 1957 can be found online in Cuban news blogs.
They are important narratives that define the character and courage of Carlos Gutierrez Minoya, Elevating into a sort of paladin for liberty and justice, have gone will travel.
Yeah, that's right.
It's clear from these passages he had a backup team to assist Carlos and his men.
The outcome might have been entirely different and Fidel Castro ruse would have only been an afterthought in Cuban history.
Here are some of the most vivid accounts.
Why?
Why?
Because had they taken out Batista, Fidel Castro would have stayed in Mexico.
He would have never had to go in the Grand Mal with, you know, 80-something other guerrillas and landed, you know, you know, in all the way in Santiago de Cuba and then finally, you know, be, you know, the protagonist of the entire revolution here would have never happened, Jim.
He could have been writing the history books.
That's what I, yeah, exactly.
Okay, so.
Okay, so here's the translation right down here, and this is heavy-duty stuff right here.
Yeah, I don't see the translation yet.
Right here, around 35 men led by Fauré Chamond and Carlos Gutiérrez Menoyo left a safe house.
You gotta scroll up a little bit, I think.
Huh?
I think you gotta scroll up.
I'm at the top, all right.
He's reading this fan—oh, here it is, here it is, here it is.
Around 35 men, led by Faver, Chabon, and Carlos Gutierrez Montoya, Minoyo left a safe house on 21st and 24th Streets in El Vedado in a closed truck together with two cars toward the palace.
Upon arrival, Gutierrez Minoyo got out of the car with his machine gun, struck down the posted guards, and entered the building along with Luis Almeida, Pepe Castellanos, and Luis Coyco Echea.
Yeah, they appreciate you're getting their names right.
Most of whom fell into action in a few minutes.
They were already in the office of the dictator, Fusilio Batista, who escaped through a secret door of the building to the roof from where the garrison made easy targets of the attackers.
And Carlos Gutierrez and several of his companions were killed.
Too bad.
It gets better.
I've collected different versions from different people and very interesting.
At the palace, Carlos Pepe Enzo arrived at the Hall of Mirrors.
We got to the door of the board dictator's office, the latter testified.
We heard excited voices inside.
Gutierrez shouted, come out with your hands up.
The answer was a shot that shattered the glass door.
Carlos threw four grenades through the hole in the broken glass.
The first three, however, did not explode on the floor.
That would be pretty troubling.
An explosion on the 4th.
An And those are a couple of dead bodies there at the top, right?
No, no.
Those are sex.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
He left the office and headed toward a spiral staircase to try to reach the third floor.
Useless.
From the roof of the upper floor, they were firing at us mercilessly.
We were already short of ammunition.
Carlos' machine gun had jammed.
Castellanos had empty magazines.
The support group hadn't appeared anywhere.
They were left behind.
Yeah, and that's the key to the whole, to the failure of the operation that the, and you know, at the end, you know, just either mention it either by, because of cowardice or because of logistics, you know, we don't know.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Thomas Sartorio.
We gotta, we gotta flip it more, Gary.
OK, OK, here are these are pictures, actual pictures of the presidential palace in the area where this firefight occurred, you know, and yeah.
Well, Mr. Torrio, upon entering the palace and taken to the left wing of the building, I advanced to the bottom.
Shooting.
Oh, he's shooting.
The firefighting is intense.
I changed the magazine, kept shooting.
Thereupon, I see they wound Mario.
Yeah, I see him faint and pull him toward me.
It's Mario's blood.
Carlos Gutierrez did not lose his optimism, however.
Yeah.
Guys, we're already on the third floor.
Let's go, he shouted.
Machanito!
Pointed out to him the need to bring in their comrades who were fighting from the ground floor as reinforcements.
Carlos agreed, went back to look for them.
Accompanied by Castellanos, they headed down the hall toward the stairs.
Unaware, they were exposing themselves to the fire on the third floor.
They both fell dead.
That's right.
Wow, not good, not good.
No, no, no.
Well, you know, like I said, you know, unfortunately when examining the historical record, most if not all the credit goes to Jose Antonio Echeverria, leader, like I said, of the student movement at the University of Havana, their DRE, which later on, you know, branched to Miami and New Orleans and all that, you know, and bring gear and whatever.
Bullet holes, man.
Right, yeah.
His mission was to go and take over the radio station, Radio Relo, and coordinate his message with the attack on the palace.
So they were going to go, hey, we just took out the Batista, you know, and, you know, democracy, you know.
And so, and his squad was successful in this part of the mission.
And the transmission announcing the coup did make it onto the airwaves before being cut off.
Yeah, they broadcast that the coup had taken place.
Yeah, and everything was under control and our boys are laying down not knowing not knowing what had actually happened at the power.
What really happens is I think it was cowardice that those people didn't show up.
I mean, look.
Yeah, well, you know, and that's where, you know, the whole thing about the mystique of Carlos comes in.
Because, you know, when this happened, he was already in his 30s.
You know, he wasn't, you know, a little spring chicken or anything like that.
He remembered that he'd had a lot of experience, you know, in World War II and everything.
And that's why he was put into the position of being what I would call, you know, the tip of the spear of the operation.
So, you know, if you want to go here, the truth of the matter is that even though Echeverria did risk everything and was felled by Batista, it was Carlos Who was the tip of the spear, like I just mentioned, of the operation who arrived at the presidential palace with guns blazing.
You know, remember, you know, he took out the guards, you know, on the first floor there and was in Batista's office within minutes.
A stairway, and this is one of the things that might be still like a legend or something, because some versions say that Batista escaped through a secret Stairway and passageway, you know, and he got away and everything.
However, people in the know who knew, you know, how everything was arranged there in the presidential palace said, no, no, no, that was just a regular stairway that, you know, was used regularly, you know, after functions or whatever there, you know, you know, in his office, and that it had absolutely nothing, you know, to do where that he would use that, you know, like Batman, you know.
Yeah, like a bookcase spinning around.
Yeah, you know, so anyway, and like I said, a backup support squad, which never showed up, caused by either logistical failure or, you know, perhaps even cowardice, actually sealed Carlos' fate that day.
And he is actually, in Cuba, he is considered, you know, a legend and everything, and they actually have named buildings and And sports complexes after him, you know, and that kind of thing.
That's a terrific story, Larry.
I love it.
Yeah, Rambo, you know, before Rambo even existed, you know.
Yeah, I feel like I've been watching Netflix.
Let me, uh, let me get here.
Here's now to Oswald's passport, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Is it here or is it here?
Shit.
Yeah, that was an exciting story.
I mean, guns blazing, running down the palace, Batista going down the stairs.
Batista had to know his days were numbered.
Yeah.
Jim Garrison is the one that said it.
He says, in a big operation, things go wrong.
Just like not killing Lee at the movie theater.
And things certainly went wrong here.
Especially when you're down at the radio station saying you just accomplished a successful coup.
All right.
Time to find out.
They're coming to get you.
For real, huh?
Yeah.
Okay.
This is good stuff coming up here.
Hold on.
Are we still online?
You're on his screen share.
All right.
So, we have, from the beginning, there was one passport, right?
And this is the one that Lee used to go, you know, to the Soviet Union and whatever.
You guys know anything about this, you know, in 1959?
I want to hear it, Larry.
It's good.
Yeah, because we all know that Lee renewed his passport In June of 1963, months before the assassination, months before Mexico City, and some of the accepted information and
About the whole Mexico City thing and and Lee, how he got to Mexico, you know, with a visa that he supposedly took out in New Orleans.
All right.
And then from there.
He went and took a bus, right, and went to Mexico City and registered in a hotel, in a sleazy bag motel or whatever, then did his whole thing, you know, that they've told us that he did at the Cuban embassy and also the Soviet thing, you know, which has been, you know, the accepted version.
But what about the Passport that he renewed on June the 25th, June 24th and June 25th in New Orleans, before the sojourn, you know, out to Mexico, Mexico, supposedly Mexico City.
And, you know, what were the documents that were used here?
And before, you know, even getting into any of this, you know, Sylvia Mar, you know, she said, you know, not valid for traveling to Cuba.
Not valid for travel to Cuba.
That is so key here.
Excuse me.
Because if this was the norm at the time, then how can you...
That's where he wanted to go.
So how the hell could he go there if it wasn't valid for travel to Cuba?
Exactly.
How in the hell are you gonna, you know, get this whole thing?
Slam dunk, slam dunk.
You know, and we'll look at the actual visa, tourist card, and this is the actual passport application of the 25th here.
And some of the information here.
I'm dying to ask a question, Larry.
I have to ask a question.
Have you shown this to Judy?
Oh, no, no, no.
Actually, no, no.
And then, you know, you're going to find out here who, this is so crazy, who is the guy who takes possession of the passport and the whole file on the weekend of November the 22nd, 1963.
Our old friend, what does it say here?
Warren C. DeBrew!
Hello!
Larry!
Man, there's a few shows that people can go back.
I'll leave them in the link, but there's some shows that really precede this.
Let me tell you something about this one, because this one, I don't know why people don't look at this.
This is the, well, you know, let's, you know, we can, you know, this whole thing is nine pages, but is anybody ever, hello, has anybody ever looked at this, you know, in detail here?
The way that you should.
Not to my knowledge, Larry.
You're doing blazing trail research here.
Guns blazing.
Yeah, guns blazing, huh?
In the JFK community.
That's why I call it Theater of the Absurd!
Wow.
So, now Debris, for people that don't know, just give us a little quick about Debris.
He had an office, he was an FBI agent, right across the street from a bar where everyone was hanging out.
He was obviously Oswald's handler, and he had a list of people that he, his informants.
In fact, Yeah, I forgot the guy's name, but he's one of the first people I ever saw come out and say, yes, I was an FBI informant.
What was his name?
Arrestus.
Arrestus.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Arrestus, the Cuban guy.
So, man, this is solved, Larry.
I mean, my God.
Well, the thing about this is that, you know, Lee Takes out a brand new spanking new passport, June the 25th.
And then, but then he decides to supposedly go to Mexico, and he doesn't use the passport as the main document for the tourist card.
He uses, supposedly uses, his birth certificate.
All right?
Which obviously does not have a picture, of course.
Obviously, you know, you're born, you're a baby, you know how you're gonna put that on there, right?
And that is the mode of identification.
How could they do that, Larry?
That's just absurd!
You have no idea whether this birth certificate had anything to do with a man standing in front of you.
I mean, this is just... This is a farce!
That's why it's called Theatre of the Absurd.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Go back over the passport.
I'm interested in that, Larry.
Of course!
And you know something?
Go ahead and do a search anywhere online.
You're not going to find it.
I found it in a specific place.
See the fingers here holding the passport on the left?
Yeah.
This was done at the Dallas Police Department the weekend of the assassination when the password was found not in Ruth Payne's garage.
Don't tell me it was outside a building that was just been hit by a plane.
No, no, no.
It was found over on North Beckley.
All right.
It was found at North Beckley.
tent where you guys you guys rooming house and did you know we did shows and we did videos and everything in front of the rooming house remember yeah i don't think he's there anymore anyway this is the passport and as you can see jim and gary cuba what does it say here says not to be says if you go to cuba you can be prosecuted that's
I mean, this whole house of cards, Jim, just on this!
Yeah, yeah.
I love when government documents contradict the government's official account.
I love it.
It doesn't get any better than this here, you know?
That's about as good as it gets.
Yes, I agree.
I mean, how ridiculous.
How ridiculous!
So let me... because Sylvia, you know, she...
The way that she presented it, I thought it was the best.
I'll pick it up right here.
Such permission is normally withheld from Americans with passports not valid for travel to Cuba, Jim and Gary.
That is why Americans who defied the van and visited Cuba had to go by way of Prague or other Eastern European capitals.
Travel to Cuba via Europe was Far beyond Lee's known means, obviously, you know, right?
He was scarcely unaware of that.
Who knows where he actually was physically at this moment in time?
And that you mentioned that, that's exactly, if he was overseas on that passport that we just showed, it would have shown entry and exit visas, correct?
It would normally, yes.
So maybe he could have been in China!
You know?
For all we know.
Exactly!
He could have been in Minsk!
You know, whatever.
Or he could have been in Omaha enjoying a good American steak.
Yeah.
So we all know about Arrestus who Gary, you know, inquired a little while ago.
And, uh, recall that he renewed his passport on exactly the same day that Lee did on 24 June 1963.
Pena?
And, yeah, Pena.
And then, so that's why the FBI thought, hey, you know, this, this thing might be connected here, you know, Hoover and Tolson and, you know, smart Alex.
So, you know, then arrest his passport is, So, why would that be?
Right here.
out in the Warren Commission, Commission document 1307, and it's like 12 or 13 pages long, and all it is is on the rest of a passport, the same one that he renewed on that same day with Lee.
However, we do not have the same treatment of Lee's passport as Orestes had.
All right.
So why would that be?
Right here.
And we just talked about this here.
And at this time, I had only been able to zoom in and find Orestes, Then later on, you know, I found Lee's actual passport, the one that was recovered at his rooming house at 1026 North Beckley, not at Ruth Payne's house.
Okay?
Now, why?
Why was that found at North Beckley?
You know, I think that opens up a whole new can of worms here.
But anyway, if this were the case, Indeed, the entire House of Cards in Mexico City, Cuban and Soviet embassy visits would have been a colossal ruse that has never been challenged before based on a simple consideration of State Department guidelines during this volatile period.
It would also explain why not a single monthly lienvoid.
Remember when we talked about how many shows we did about lienvoid, which was the wiretapping operation there on the Soviet and the Cuban installations there, where there wasn't a single report there that said, hey, you know, this crazy ass wants to, you know, go to Cuba and he wants to use his passport that says what?
Hello?
Invalid.
Right?
It didn't happen.
It didn't happen.
Okay, excuse me.
And of course, all the government officials involved in framing him on the warden staff knew all this to be the fact.
Absolutely!
In fact, I have documents here that say, hey, we know all about this shit, you know?
We know that you can't go to Cuba on a Yes.
This is good stuff, Larry.
a U.S. passport.
Hello?
So why this whole shenanigans shit, you know, in Mexico City?
You know, it doesn't, obviously, you know.
So.
This is good stuff, Larry, good stuff.
So the reader needs to know that the CIA cast a wide net precisely trying to plug the movement of subversives from Mexico to Cuba as seen in a report titled the movement of subversives.
And I have that document, where it laid out exactly the strategy.
Mexico, to date, has taken two significant steps to control travel to Cuba.
Hello?
And if you find somebody like Lee Oswald, we're going to report on that right away, Jim.
Larry, it is a joke.
Theater of the absurd indeed.
It has instituted close surveillance of other travelers and the photographing of all persons arriving from or departing Cuba, and has given tacit approval to suspension of service of Compañía Mexicana de Aviación.
All right.
The Warren Commission only published the application, but not the actual passport.
Because it would have blown the whole story wide apart.
And you know something?
The concept of DeBruyne taking possession of that file and that passport on 26 November, Jim, just completely confirms this whole thing that we've been talking about DeBruyne here now for months and months and a year now.
You know, how involved, you know, how How closely he was involved in the sheep dipping of not only Lee Oswald, but, you know, handling him going to Dallas before the assassination with him.
All right, as was reported by Orestes Peña.
I believe Orestes 100%.
All right, when he said Lee went to Dallas with, I mean, the brew went with Lee to Dallas before the assassination.
All right, he wasn't bullshitting.
Alright, he was, he was, he was telling the truth.
And, you know, that whole thing, you know, just brings the FBI into, you know, very close proximity to the whole, to the whole operation here of taking out JFK.
So, what about Lee's passport, which was renewed with remarkable expediency the same day as Peña's, at the same passport office in New Orleans?
One commission, But the monstrous lies the government has sold to the American people is just disgusting beyond belief.
through that's where they are published and the application the monstrous lies the government has sold to the american people is just disgusting beyond belief it's yeah so we have that we now know that the d0925 uh 26 right here that's the number of the passport okay and exactly the same limitation as pena's all right so uh
So, going a little bit deeper into the actual application, we got time for this, Gary?
Yeah, we got about 20 minutes to go.
Okay, and this is something, and I have to give John Armstrong 100% credit on this, because he's the one that did the investigation on the actual application of the passport, okay?
And this gets really good, okay?
Now, first of all, these are the countries that Lee supposedly wrote in the application the countries that he was going to visit.
England, France, Germany, Holland, USSR, Finland, Italy, Poland.
Okay?
Lenny Moret is at, of course, his closest kin.
And here, So we got Dan Rather falsely reporting that it included Cuba when it did not.
Yeah, that was the documentary that we presented it only.
And yes, Dan Rather did erroneously report that Lee's passport application intended to travel to Cuba and obviously it did not.
Here is the two-page document, and what I was telling you guys here, John Armstrong astutely noted several discrepancies in the names and dates of births of his parents.
And this is something that goes, dovetails with what Ralph has been circulating lately about the name of his mother, you know, and how there are two different Marguerites, Jim, you know, even though we know that,
How do you say, that Lee, you know, the two-Lee scenario, you know, that Armstrong presents, you know, is a little bit out there, but this portion here that he talks about is right on.
And, for example, in the application, he goes, Robert Lee Oswald, 1895, then Margaret Claver, or Claver, New Orleans, 1907, okay?
And it's got Marina's last name misspelled too.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And Marina's last name... How could... That would be tough for Lee to do if he actually was fluent in Russian and all that.
I mean, this is a bit... Exactly.
This is a little bit strange.
Yes.
Very, very.
Okay.
And, uh, and so, um, the dates of birth, uh, you know, are also wrong.
And so, um, What is going on here on this passport application of June the 25th 1963?
Okay, where obviously the picture is that's Lee and I would have to say that they don't staple that stuff.
I don't think yes, they do.
They still do you got to keep up?
Yeah, and Lee H Oswald the signature which I have checked out and it appears to check out, you know and So that's where we're at there.
OK, now.
Now, again, the entire passport folder is in the hands of the FBI on the night of the assassination.
Here it is, November the 22nd.
Pursuant to your oral request, I'm attaching here with the passport folder of Lee Oswald.
It doesn't say here where they found it.
Obviously, I filled that in for you guys.
And then, fortunately, someone at the Dallas Police Department was thoughtful enough to take these photos of the passport book before the FBI took possession of the evidence that night.
Thank goodness, Larry, or we wouldn't have a legit photograph of it at all.
And it reminds me also of the Harper fragment.
Remember when Harper's uncle went and took the photographs at Methodist Hospital?
You know, otherwise we would have never known, you know, what the Harper Fragment was like, you know?
And this is exactly what happens here, you know?
Now, this exists only at texashistoryunt.edu.
I never, you know, come across this.
I've gone, I've looked all over for it.
This is where it was found, obviously.
And as you can see, the fingers here that is holding the passport, this is a camera Okay.
And this was the only way, obviously no photocopy or whatever.
But this is a bona fide United States passport.
And it is the bona fide D092526 passport that Lee, that was issued to Lee on 25 June 1963.
This is the real deal.
Does it have any stamps and so forth?
Hey, thank you.
Of course not, because these are the only pages that we have.
All right.
That's pretty significant to be missing those stamps.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Because from June to November, he could have gone anywhere using that passport, unless, you know, it was, it was a, a, uh, you know, some kind of a clandestine operation, you know, like what, uh, Judith describes in her book, you know, going to Canada with David Ferry, you know, you know, those kinds of operations, I don't know, but, This is something that we have never seen before, Jim.
I'm fascinated, Larry.
You're doing such great work, my friend.
This is the first time, you know, I have put out a couple of feelers out there.
Nobody has, you know, come up to say, you know, this was published, you know, on such and such a date.
Yes, we know about the 1959 passport, you know, with the, you know, he's in the suit tying whatever, in the suit coat, whatever.
We know about that.
We know about that.
That's the one, in fact, that's the one that was surrendered on the day that he renewed this one, Jim.
And then later on it was returned to him in the mail, like always happens, you know, when you renew your passport.
What happens?
You get the new one and then a couple of weeks later you get the old one, right?
So, anyway.
So, like I was saying before, the original passport book wasn't found at Ruth Payne's house at Irving.
Rather, at 1026 North Beckley in Oak Cliff.
Okay, where Lee had rented a room there in the name of O.H.
Lee, you know.
Now, the passport on the weekend of November the 22nd was received by, of all people, our good friend, New Orleans FBI agent Warren C. DeBruyne on 26th November 1963.
That just cannot be a coincidence.
Of course not!
And how They don't talk about him enough.
And just so you know, I hope you guys put this up quick because this is, you know, this is the first time you're going to see this probably here on TV or whatever, you know, on the internet.
And here's the receipt that was executed on the 26th of November.
It says Warren C. DeBrew.
So remember, Warren C. DeBrew, we've been, you know.
Can you roll up a little bit and see that?
It actually said vaccines.
It said the vaccinator.
Oh, yeah, well, you know, had a lot of different days.
See, they itemized, you know, and they enumerated, you know, all the items here, 439, 440, you know, going on down.
And that's the only time that you, that, you know, you know about Lee Oswald's passport, the one that was, you know, that had been executed in June, that he had only had a couple, you know, again, you know, why?
And I think, yeah, here we go.
And this is what, this is important here, because we're not done.
We're not done with you guys.
All right, so.
Go ahead.
This is a two-page duplicate Mexico tourist card number 24085 taken out in the name of Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans on 17 September 1963, which had a 15-day visitation limit.
It has been stamped by Mexican authorities entering through Nuevo Laredo on 26 September and exiting Mexico through the same city on 3 October 1963.
Case closed, right?
Let's see, 26 September.
Hardly!
Why would Lee not use a passport he just acquired during the summer?
25 June to be specific!
And yet, this document says he uses birth certificate as proof of identity.
A document that obviously does not include a photograph of the applicant.
It's ridiculous, Larry!
It's ridiculous!
Hello!
Has anybody ever stopped to think about these things here, Jim?
Why would anyone use a birth certificate to identify themselves?
Oh, and why would anybody in the government accept something like that?
I mean, come on!
Right.
I mean, this smells like, you know... Yeah, but I have it, right.
All right.
So anyway, this is the photo.
There's our boy!
That's the one, you know.
Now, a study of these signatures here, very interesting, okay, because the L here is completely different.
You know, there are things, elements here that, you know, still need to be, you know, analyzed.
But, you know, the thing about this whole thing here is why you use a tourist card to cross the border, but then when you get to Mexico City, you're going to use the passport. the thing about this whole thing here is why you A tourist card to cross the border, but then when you get to Mexico City, you're going to use the passport.
Either you had it with you when you came in or you didn't, and it doesn't show up later on.
In fact, using the passport at the border would have enhanced the operation.
Sure.
Yeah.
You know, not this way where you're using one document to come in and then the other document to try to get to Cuba.
That's incoherent.
I agree.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So we'll leave very interesting stuff going on.
Good stuff, Larry.
I love it.
I think the passport thing is very important.
It's great.
This was a terrific double feature.
I've never seen this passport.
I've never seen it.
When I found it there on the Texas Historical Repository, I just jumped.
That's the one that I've been looking for.
Great find, Larry.
Great find.
Larry, we can hardly stand two Grand Slams in one day.
But we got one.
I can take it.
All right, fellas.
Y'all want to call it a show on that one?
I think so.
Wow.
Yeah, Larry, rolling roughshod over the JFK community.
This is JFK 270.
People need to pay attention to stuff like that, you know?
Indeed.
All right.
We'll see you next week, people.
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