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July 14, 2022 - Jim Fetzer
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Dr. Stephanie Seneff - Evidence of DNA Damage, Neurodegenerative Disease, & More
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Why is it so important to keep having these conversations?
Well, unless we do the research, unless we keep having the conversations and exploring all of the possibilities, we may not know how to help humanity in the long term.
Recently, in my interview with Dr. Rima Labo, she said the research must be done and it must be done now.
Otherwise, so many people could die or end up with permanent disability.
Dr. Seneff talks us through her research.
She's written multiple papers and she joins us now.
We're joined today by Dr. Stephanie Seneff, who is a senior research scientist at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory.
She received the B.S.
degree in Biophysics in 1968, the M.S.
and E.E.
degrees in Electrical Engineering in 1980, and the Ph.D.
degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science in 1985, all from MIT.
She has joined me previously to talk about neurodegenerative diseases and other impacts from these injections, and she joins us again today.
Dr. Seneff, thank you so much for your time.
So great to be here.
Thank you for having me.
It's an honour to have you back.
Well, it's been some time since we last spoke.
I guess there have been further developments on these so-called vaccines.
And you said something just before we got on air, which was that it is incredibly complex, what we're finding out about the damages of these injections.
So take us through where you'd like to start on recent discoveries.
Right.
It's a handful, even for me.
And I thought I knew a lot of biology going into these vaccines, but I have learned a lot more since they've come on the market.
I've just been, you know, digging through the research literature, going back, you know, many years to figure out exactly what's going on, to understand exactly what these vaccines are doing, because I'm so called vaccines.
It's a very complicated story, and it has so many branches to it that, you know, you just can't believe the number of different diseases that it's causing when we look at them.
And I've been looking closely at the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System database, and we published a paper.
I published a paper together with three other authors, one of whom is Peter McCullough, a couple of months ago.
Innate Immune Suppression.
I have the title here.
Innate Immune Suppression by SARS-CoV-2 messenger RNA vaccines, the role of G quadruplexes, exosomes, and micro RNAs.
So you can see all of those things.
G quadruplexes, exosomes, and micro RNAs.
I needed to understand exactly what they are and how they work in biology, in order to understand what these vaccines are doing and it's just truly incredible.
The complexity of, of their mechanisms of toxicity, which are diverse and devastating.
And so, you know, so that paper has seven different tables in it.
That organized different adverse reactions in bars to show these lists of things that are happening in response to these vaccines, and to show the percentage of so what we did was we looked at the year 2021.
And this was done after 2021 was over, so it's the full year of 2021.
Counting up all the cases for some condition for all the vaccines in that year and counting up all the cases just for the COVID-19 vaccines and looking at the ratio.
So you've got the flu shot, all the children's vaccines, the single shot, all these different vaccines that people are getting all together.
Typically, they cause only something like 2% of the reactions in these various categories that we looked at.
It's somewhere between 1.5% and 4% of the cases are associated with these other vaccines altogether.
And all the rest of the cases, 96 plus cases, percent.
are associated with COVID.
In other words, it's a very strong signal.
And there's hugely more stuff in the database for 2021 than there ever was for any year before, just the number of events.
Of course, when you have all these COVID events, you know, they're overwhelming all the other events.
So it's just a shocking numbers about the About these serious consequences of the vaccines that include, of course, the whole category of thrombosis, which is blood clots, and then pulmonary embolism, which is the consequence of a blood clot getting into the lungs, which can be fatal.
That's one category.
Huge signal there.
And then another category, of course, is the various heart problems.
Of course, myocarditis we've been hearing about, but also heart attack and heart failure, all these other arrhythmias, those are all showing up to cardiac arrest.
People used to argue that of course there are going to be more adverse events recorded because more doses have been administered of this injection than any other injection at any one given time.
Could you confirm for us the numbers that we're seeing?
I can comment on that, because yes, that's true, but it wouldn't be 98%.
And in fact, we calculated, because you could get the numbers on the uptake of the flu shot, and that was over 50% of the population gets the flu shot every year.
And the COVID shots during that year was something like We got the numbers, we looked at the one shot, two shot, three shot, added them all up, and we got the ratio of the number of shots of COVID delivered in people's arms, including multiple shots in one person, right?
Versus the number of shots delivered in the arms of people for the flu shot, and the ratio of the number of shots versus the ratio of the number of events.
You know, in other words, were there many more events than you would expect if it was comparable?
You know, even after accounting for the excess frequency, and we put that into our paper, the number was 27.
27 reports for COVID shots for every one report for a flu shot, normalized by the frequency.
27 times as bad as the flu shot.
So it's undeniable.
I mean, really, and for those who've been following the truth and listening to the real experts from the beginning, they know this, but this is more about if someone was to show this to someone that's kind of on the fence or not believing, it's really undeniable at this point, is it not?
Absolutely.
And so, you know, what we did with that paper is we were looking at all these, well, we were studying the research literature to figure out exactly what happens when these vaccines are injected.
Where does this stuff go?
Which cells take it up?
What do they do?
Where do they go with it?
Do they release stuff?
I mean, we worked it all out.
We had done that before, actually, with the paper I wrote with Greg Nye.
To understand exactly what's happening.
And they're certainly not staying in the muscle of the arm.
It's going into the lymph system, getting down into the spleen.
The immune cells in the spleen are furiously making spike protein.
They can't stop themselves because the vaccine is designed that way.
And the spike protein is poisonous.
It's a very toxic molecule.
And so these immune cells are overwhelmed with this spike protein.
So they ship it out into these exosomes.
These are little lipid bodies that contain that toxic spike protein, because the immune cell is trying to get rid of this toxic load that it's stuck with.
And those exosomes travel very well along nerve fibers, and they travel up the vagus nerve and get into the brainstem of the brain, and they inflame the nerves everywhere they go.
So you get inflammation, all kinds of nerves in the brain, also in the heart, you know, inflaming the nerves in the heart and the brain, probably in the lungs and the gut as well, because the vagus nerve goes to all of those places.
Everywhere it goes, the spike protein is being delivered in those exosomes and it's causing toxicity, and so it's causing neurotoxicity in the brain, in particular.
And so we were interested in looking for side effects that are related to inflammation of nerves in the brain, and we have a long table in that in that paper.
Where we kind of tallied up all the side effects for these various indicators of inflammatory nerves in the brain.
So things like tinnitus or tinnitus, which is ringing in the ear associated with the auditory nerve and problems with the eyes, optic nerve, difficulty swallowing, which would be the vagus nerve.
Bell's palsy, which would be the facial nerve, and migraine headaches, which is associated with the trigeminal nerve.
So examples like that.
And then also nerves going to the lungs.
Well, there's nerves going to brain centers that control breathing and consciousness.
And heart rate, and all of those are in trouble you see huge numbers of reports for difficulty with breathing and arrhythmias of the heart, loss of consciousness, all these things are showing up in large numbers.
And so that table is shows this this problem and of course also loss of smell which is the olfactory nerve.
That's one that's interesting with the virus, because the virus, of course, also causes a loss of smell.
It is taken up by nerve fibers, you know, the virus is able to invade the nerves and damage them.
But the spike protein by itself can do that too.
So it's really frightening.
And of course, we were interested in, I've been very interested in neurodegenerative disease.
As a consequence of these vaccines, and in particular, CJD, which is the human form of mad cow, Kurtzfeldt-Jakob disease.
And that's what I've really focused on.
In fact, I just found out before we came on that a new paper, a new article has been released by the Epoch Times.
And it talks about an interview that they did with me.
I only just saw it just a few moments ago, so I haven't even had a chance to read it, but they talk about a particular case of a person who developed CJD within one month.
He got started within one month of his second vaccine.
And he's now in a wheelchair.
He could barely, you know, he's barely alive, it sounds like to me.
He's lost a huge amount of weight.
He's in bad shape, but he's just one of many because there's a there's a preprint paper that was published by Luc Montagnier, who is a professor of Montagnier, who recently passed away.
But he was a Nobel Prize winner for his work on the HIV vaccine, HIV virus.
So, he was really sounding the alarm before he died about the possibility of these injections causing CJD, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.
And this paper reported on 26 cases, mostly in Europe, I believe, and every single one of them, as I understood it, the symptoms first appeared within the month of the second vaccine of the two-vaccine series.
Very, very consistent.
And CJD is extremely rare.
Only one in a million people ever get it.
So why is it specifically after the second shot that people are getting that CJD, but then after the first shot people are getting heart problems, after the third shot people are getting something else?
What is the reason for... it seems completely random, Dr Sena.
Well, this is what makes it so interesting, because there are a million puzzles that come out of observing what's going on with these vaccines.
I love a puzzle, and this is just a mother-of-all-puzzles, you know?
I've been really struggling to understand everything.
So another thing is thrombosis.
The thrombosis occurs right away after the first vaccine.
It happens.
And it also happens when you look at the time between the vaccine and thrombotic event of all the patients who reported in the VAERS database, there's a second peak after 15 days, there's a second peak so it starts right after the vaccine and then it dies down, and then it goes back up again, and some of them get it.
After 15 days.
That sounds like that second batch is different from the first batch, right?
Because there's a delay, something different is going on.
So, it's two different ways for it to cause these blood clots.
And I don't yet understand the first way, but I do think I understand the second way, which I've written about.
And that has to do with the plate, it has to do with the antibodies.
So, it takes 15 days to produce the antibodies.
And the shot induces specifically IgG antibodies, different kinds of antibodies, the mucosal antibodies are not particularly expressed in response to the shot, which makes sense because it's not in the mucosa, you know, you have specialized antibodies.
In the lungs, in the gut, that are called mucosal antibodies.
And these, the IgG antibodies are expressed in the blood.
And they've become very, the shot induces a very high level of IgG antibodies, more than you would expect with the disease.
And those antibodies are known to cause a problem with platelets.
And this is because there's this platelet factor four that binds to the antibodies, and then the platelets have a receptor that binds to that complex.
And it's very similar to a heparin-induced thrombosis, which is a well-known phenomenon.
And so the platelets, they bind to this complex that starts with the antibodies to the spike protein, and the spike protein, and this platelet factor 4.
That whole complex binds to these receptors and activates the platelets, and that causes them to basically, you know, make these blood clots.
And so I think that's what's going on there to cause the thrombosis.
After the antibodies have been produced.
The second shot is so strange the LS after the second shot and I do not understand that it what it is about the second shot that is different from the first shot that causes this to happen after the second shot.
I would love to understand that but I don't yet.
It's one of the puzzles that I'm working on.
Could it be the inconsistency in the in the batches?
Is that part of it?
What Dr. Mikey Eden and his team found?
That would be interesting.
One thing I might think of just now.
I'm only thinking of it just now.
I wonder about the long-term life of these vaccines.
So if they have to be kept frozen, right?
And then they're thawed out.
And then for a short period after they're thawed out, they must be used or else something bad happens.
So what is the bad thing that happens?
That's a big question, right?
And it could be that they break down, and only partially break down, such that they produce short chains, like the messenger RNA could be.
I'm making this up and I don't know, but I do know there's been wondering, people have been wondering about to what degree does the messenger RNA stay intact.
Heat will cause it, that's why it has to be kept so cold, because heat will cause it to break down.
And you could imagine that what could be happening is that, and usually when the RNAs are metabolized, you chew them up from the bottom end.
There's this long poly-A sequence that's stuck on the end to keep them from getting broken down, and that has to be chewed off, and then you can get to the end of the, it's a long string, so you get to the end, you start chewing it up from the bottom.
So what happens is you've got a piece of RNA that's too short, Like it ends before it's supposed to and it produces a partial spike protein.
Right.
And that's an interesting thought because it could be.
I'm making this up.
I don't have any evidence yet, but it's just a thought that I have right now that the second vaccine might have been, you know, generally older, right?
Because they're rolling all these vaccines out and they're putting them in people's arms and then you have to wait a few wait a few weeks.
So it's later.
And so maybe more of the vaccines were Improperly kept in the meantime, or maybe they had already aged beyond their due date or something like that, or close to it, and so they were defective in some way that would cause short spike proteins, spike proteins being produced that are not complete.
And why that's important is extremely interesting, because I've been studying, you know, prion diseases like crazy.
I've been reading all kinds of articles about these diseases.
They're really fascinating.
And the human prion protein, which is the one that causes this CJD, the mad cow, that protein actually has at its end, at the very end, it has a site that binds to the membrane, so it can bind to the cell's membrane in the piece that's at the end.
And they have studied people who have a defective form of it, such that it's too short, the end part is missing, and that defective form stays in the endoplasmic reticulum, the ER, And doesn't get taken to the membrane because it won't bind to the membrane, and it causes ER stress, what's called ER stress.
And this is basically the place where the proteins fold is stressed, and it's stressed because it's got all this protein in there that it can't fold correctly.
These prion proteins can misfold in ways that make them become very toxic.
And so the short version of the prion protein causes prion disease much more readily than the whole version.
And so a short version of the spike protein would do the same, you would predict, because the spike protein also binds to the membrane in the piece that's at the end.
So if that snapped off because of the degradation of the RNA, it would cause it to To not bind to the membrane, to clutter up the ER, to cause this ER stress, and to cause this reaction that can lead to neurodegenerative disease.
So that's an interesting thought, I think, which I haven't worked out completely yet, but it's something I'm sort of playing with.
On the neurodegenerative diseases or just the impacts on the brain in general, when I interviewed Dr. Robert Malone last time, he said we're seeing what is, it's as though people have brain damage.
That's the equivalent of brain damage.
Because I asked him, why are people More aggressive.
We're seeing behavioral changes in those who've had injections.
What's the link here?
And he said it's the inflammation on the brain.
It's the equivalent of brain trauma.
And that could be what's causing these behavioral changes.
Could you weigh in on that for us?
I would agree with that.
I think that's a very good idea.
Yeah, I would say that makes sense.
Inflammation in the brain is associated with Many, many different, you know, kinds of problems with the brain and I think it would make a lot of sense that inflammation would cause that behavioral change.
If you got inflammation in the amygdala, for example, which is in the, you know, it can hook up to the vagus nerve, so you could be spewing those spike proteins into the amygdala and the cells there could take it up and then they could get inflammation, it would damage them.
And that would give you behavioral problems, aggression and things like that.
Depression as well.
Depression is another one that shows up.
It's like 97, I think it's 97% of the cases in 2021 connected to depression were COVID vaccines.
Wow so so is it every it's not every case though it's not everyone who's had a reaction that has these issues though correct?
Well that's the thing is that's so interesting because so many people get so many different reactions there's also cancer of course and we've seen I have uh friends in fact Greg Nye treats cancer patients he treats patients that have very serious you know Cancers.
And he's seen the flare-ups that happen after vaccines.
He's very convinced.
And a lot of people have said that.
People who treat cancer patients are saying, my patients are not doing well anymore.
They were in remission, they got the vaccines, and then all of a sudden the cancer came back.
You know, this kind of thing, which we've written about.
And we talked about that in our paper, the one that has the seven tables.
We also talked quite a bit about cancer.
In that paper and showed how we would predict that it's that these vaccines could cause, particularly for someone who already has cancer to make it worse, you know, to activate it.
And the same thing with latent infections, you know, if you have a latent infection with herpes, or you get shingles, you know, shingles from the varicella.
Those are also showing up as a side effects or reactions to these vaccines.
And the latent infection gets activated and all of these things are indicators of a weakened innate immune system.
Which is the main topic of that paper.
The vaccine suppresses innate immunity.
It suppresses a critical aspect of innate immunity, which means it makes you more susceptible to everything.
You know, cancers, pneumonia, you know, sepsis.
I mean, everything you can think of in terms of an infection plus cancer depend on... keeping them at bay depends on a healthy innate immune system.
And the vaccine seems to be inhibiting this critical response, which is called type one interferon.
We talk about that in the paper.
It's quite fascinating and terrifying.
Terrifying is the word.
And of course, people would be at different stages of the destruction of their innate immune systems, depending on I guess how many injections they got, which batch they got.
It would be different for everyone, right?
And how well that vaccine was kept before it was injected into their arm, right?
I really wonder about that because you can't think that everybody who's managing these vaccines is very careful to make sure that they're always frozen until they're used, right?
I'm imagining that you could slip up on that.
And I don't know what that would do.
But another factor that people have wondered about in my group, there's a whole bunch of us that are sharing papers and discussing and trying to work out, you know, exactly how do we explain this?
It's been quite an orgy, I guess I should say, of trying to understand all of this, because it's so amazing.
You couldn't imagine that something could be that toxic, you know?
So, but so another thing that people are kicking around is the idea that it makes mistakes, and that's certainly true.
So this is with, because the vaccine is designed, the mRNA is specially designed with careful attention to make it able to make protein fast.
It makes it fast, and it keeps making, especially designed that you can't turn it off, and especially designed that you can't break it down.
So, the RNA gets into the cell and just keeps making proteins, and it makes it fast.
And when you make it fast, you make errors, just like if you're typing fast, you're going to make errors.
So, it's much more likely for it to make a mistake and put the wrong thing.
You know, the code says you need an alanine here, and you put a glycine.
You know, you make a mistake.
And one of the mistakes you can make is to put a stop code on.
Instead of an amino acid.
So you're building your protein from the top, you get to a certain spot, and you make a mistake and you put a stop code on.
And when you do that, you stop.
You stop making the protein.
And that gives you the short versions of the spike protein that are incomplete, that don't have that bottom piece that connects to the membrane.
And there you've got a potential for ER stress and increased risk to a lot of problems, actually, once there's ER stress.
You could kill the cell, you know, it can just go into apoptosis, which is just shut down.
But it can also turn into a problem with a neurodegenerative disease because of these short proteins that are messing up, that are loading up the endoplasmic reticulum and it's unable to cope with all this protein that's sticking around and not folding correctly and that sort of thing.
Do we know yet the extent of the DNA damage that's happening to people?
We know that the study out of Lund University confirmed that it was There was reverse transcription happening into the human DNA.
What is the extent of what's happened to the human DNA?
Right, and that's an excellent question.
It's actually two things.
One is converting the RNA into DNA, the RNA that's in the vaccine converting into DNA.
And the other problem is damaging your DNA.
Those are two different things, but they're both connected to messing up your DNA.
And the DNA damage part is also really, really worrisome.
And that's what can lead you to cancer, you know, because cancer often comes from cells that get mutated, get their DNA mutations that cause them to become a tumor cell.
And so anytime you start messing with the DNA and breaking it, you're risking cancer.
And so there's some amazing papers that came out of China.
I've read several.
There's at least three.
I found several papers, most of them from China, I think from elsewhere as well, where they showed that the spike protein Alone.
And so it's not the virus, it's just the protein.
It can be, it's taken up by cells, and this has been done with fibroblasts, with muscle cells, and with immune cells that were rigged to have the ACE2 receptors so they could get it in.
So there's three different studies on three different kinds of cells that have shown that the spike protein causes these cells to react By basically losing their borders with each other and becoming a giant cell.
So, it messes up their borders.
It's called syncytial formation.
And these cells become a giant cell and they gather all their nuclei together.
And then the giant cells also start showing up with these things called micronuclei.
You can see them under the microscope.
And those micronuclei are always an indicator of DNA damage because what's happening is that You're getting double-strand breaks in the DNA, and then they're being sewn back together incorrectly.
And you end up with these DNA fragments, you know, pieces of chromosomes that have been blended together.
It's like, you know, using an egg beater to beat it up, if you will.
And so they end up with these micronuclei that are indicators of double-strand breaks, which is an indicator of potential to cause cancer.
So the spike protein is just incredibly toxic to the cells, is what that shows, and causes these weird behaviors that are indicators of extreme stress.
And they also become, they reach a form called senescence.
These giant cells, they become senescent, and that's a technical term that means that they've basically aged, you know, senescence is sort of aging.
And they reach this interesting state where they don't die, and they don't really do what they're supposed to do, but they do something else, which is to release cytokines.
These are signals that are going to cause inflammation.
So they basically sit there causing inflammation and causing damage to the neighboring cells because of it.
And they don't die.
And so it would be better if they just died and disappeared.
But they stick around with these giant cells that are causing this inflammation.
All of this happens in response to the spike protein in the individual tissue.
So if that's going on in the heart, it's definitely going to cause myocarditis.
In the lungs, it's going to cause lung fibrosis and lung damage.
And so it's, and it's happening to the immune cells as well so it's really quite interesting to think about the consequences of that.
And so the other thing is the reverse transcription, which is that the paper you've mentioned.
That was truly amazing because they had these liver cancer cells.
And they and they grew in vitro they have them in culture in vitro, and they basically transfected them with the spike protein like essentially gave them the vaccine, you could say, and they took up the mRNA from the nanoparticles, and they made spike protein.
But they took the mRNA and turned it into DNA very quickly.
After six hours, they started seeing DNA, a DNA version of the RNA that was in the vaccine, which is really remarkable because you see these fact checkers who say, ha ha ha, these people are saying that this RNA can get converted into DNA in the cell.
No way, that doesn't happen.
Don't worry about it.
These guys showed it happens in six hours with cancer cells.
And cancer cells are probably better at it than most other cells because they actually... Again, Greg Dye had written about this possibility before we had seen any papers on it in our first paper that we wrote, which was published in May of 2021.
We have a whole section in there.
We found it very fascinating, the research that we had discovered going back before, long before COVID, there was research that was showing that cells can take up foreign messenger RNA and convert it into DNA.
And one of the things they use to do that is this line one, this is called line one, which is some DNA in the cells that is normally not active, but there's certain cell types that express it.
And one of those cell types is cancer cells.
Another cell type is sperm.
So sperm produce line one, use it to convert RNA into DNA, put the DNA into these little plasmids that they release at the time of fertilization.
And all the sperm can release these plasmids around the fertilized egg, which takes them up.
And now what you've done is you've delivered to the fertilized egg, I'm sure you'd agree.
Dr Seneff is a truly impressive individual.
And what I love about her is her inquisitive mind, her approach to science, which is what we're missing in today's world.
The willingness to consider a hypothesis rather than just saying, no, no, that's misinformation.
We need people like Dr Seneff, more doctors like her, to stand up in today's day and age because, as you know, we are facing truly, truly devastating times ahead.
In the next segment, we're going to talk about how to look after your health and some of the things that she thinks may be contributing to long-term sickness and illness in the population today.
She told me she hasn't been sick in 10 years.
So she's someone I want to hear from and we'll continue that in the next segment.
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