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Frenemy Combatants! FETZER DEBATES CARNES LIVE! Sandy Hook Special Event!

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	Welcome to the perfect, perfect triangle.
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	Welcome to episode number 97 of The Perfect Triangle.
	I am your host, Giuseppe Vafangulo, joined, as always, by my brother from another mother, David Scorpio, as co-host.
	And we've got a special event today, a debate about Sandy Hook, especially considering the alleged mass shootings that are happening about every hour these days, thanks to the present administration.
	There's renewed focus on Sandy Hook, and we're joined today by three very special guests.
	George Hobbs, the fact hunter, a fellow brother, host on Speak Free Radio, who had to brainstorm to put this together.
	The legendary Professor Jim Fetzer of jamesfetzer.org, and the soon-to-be legendary Rebecca Carnes, who is just a great researcher.
	Rebecca, I don't have your website memorized.
	Is it newtownrooster.com?
	Yeah, just Google Newtown Rooster and Rebecca Carnes and it'll come up.
	Okay, I'm hearing somebody echo.
	Yeah, it looks like another person was added to the feed in the green room, and it started when that person was added.
	Oh, let me see who's here.
	Art Oliver?
	Oh, he muted.
	Art Olivier has joined us early.
	Okay, it started when he came on.
	Okay.
	I'm not hearing it now.
	Are you guys hearing it now?
	No.
	Okay, so we agreed to, much like when the presidential debates used to be actually real, the two frenemy combatants are going to give opening statements, and then Scorpio, George, and I will be impartial questioners, and then each debater will give a presentation, and then we'll go to a series of questions, and it's always going to be fair time.
	If one gets five minutes, the other gets five minutes.
	Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
	So it was agreed upon before we started that Rebecca would be able to go first.
	So Rebecca, the floor is yours.
	Great, thank you.
	I want to thank Giuseppe and Scorpio and George, of course, for having me on today.
	And of course, a big thanks to Jim Fetzer, Dr. Fetzer, for engaging me in this debate.
	I think frenemies is a good way of describing us.
	Jim and I go back about two years.
	I have tremendous respect for Jim and his work.
	We do differ on three of the biggest areas concerning the Sandy Hook case.
	My beliefs on Sandy Hook have evolved over time.
	And I think we've both kind of distanced ourselves from each other in the past year respectfully, but it does beg the question, who's missing the facts here?
	What's going on?
	How can Jim and I, or anyone looking at the Sandy Hook case, how can there be such a vast difference even in the truth community, alt-media, as to what happened that day?
	I think Sandy Hook is again, once again, wow, very relevant in these times.
	We've got another big gun battle brewing.
	in Ovalde in Texas now because of the latest shooting and the timing is ripe to talk about Sandy Hook again.
	Of course, I think Sandy Hook really kicked off the biggest gun grab by the liberal Democrats and just the communist criminals in general that run this country and this world, unfortunately for the time being.
	But yes, so the, you know, the Dems in there all over the news now and they're talking about, you know, Beto O'Rourke has reared his ugly head again and they're just in the news all last week and even today talking about disarming Americans completely, making it illegal.
	to own a handgun or a long gun making it you know possibly um you know buyback programs are coming but um gun sales maybe might not even be existing in the near future unless uh the republicans and people who have sanity and logic can stop this and know that the real problem is not the gun the guns the real problem is within the family and having a father figure in the home and they're the Democratic leftists are destroying the family.
	And of course, it goes it goes into mental health issues a little bit as well.
	So this renewed interest in Sandy Hook.
	Yeah, you know, the timing of my interviews with George that came up and of course, with Nathan Stoltman on Lift the Veil was very interesting timing.
	Nathan Stoltman actually reached out to me to talk about Sandy Hook, just because he wanted to talk about the most controversial thing you could think of.
	And, you know, this was before the Evaldi, Texas shootings happened.
	I talked to him the week before, and boy, the timing just, again, was very ripe for this.
	He wound up censoring himself and not running the show that he did with me, although now it is behind a paywall, and he did run it for his paid subscribers.
	But it piqued George's interest because I think George Hobbs of the Fact Hunter is, you know, a follower of Nathan.
	And he saw that Nathan was very concerned and censored himself in terms of showing that interview.
	And George was nice enough to invite me on his show.
	And I did a great interview with him and really laid out my case for why I think.
	And these are the three big areas where Jim and I and, of course, everyone that agrees with Jim's book in theory that no one died at Sandy Hook.
	This is where we depart.
	So, you know, I think it's very interesting to remember to just let's look at the evidence.
	Now the big three areas that of course we disagree on is I've come to the belief that at Sandy Hook the school was open.
	Adam Lanza was a real person.
	And children and teachers really did die that day.
	But here's the thing.
	On its foundation, I believe it was fake and a hoax because it was a pre-planned event by the criminal cabal, the communist criminal cabal.
	So, you know, on its foundation, they put this into motion, I believe, 10 years prior probably to the event.
	They had certain federal, state, and local players set up.
	How they orchestrated all of the details to make this work is, of course, speculation, because we will never know all of the details.
	Unfortunately, I think only a handful of people in this world really know the entire kit and caboodle of what happened that day.
	You know and just to tie this in again to the Texas shooting I saw some remarkable similarities between the two events you've got in the Evaldi shooting you've got The police chief for over an hour holding off Officers from going into that classroom and saving those children.
	That's the exact same scenario and no coincidence because I don't believe in very many coincidences anymore after waking up to the truth of this world about two years ago.
	So, you know, the police, the sergeant in charge of EMTs that day, he held off, that was Sergeant Colgren, held off EMTs for nearly an hour down by the Sandy Hook firehouse.
	and they were not allowed to come up because he said the scene was not secure.
	And of course, you know, Officer Chapman brought out a girl and carried her out.
	She was blown apart in his arms, but he could see that she was breathing a little bit.
	He looked for an ambulance.
	There was none around.
	So again, I'm gonna go into more detail on that, but this is exactly what happened in Ivaldi.
	For some reason, we've got someone set up there where everything happening in the school could happen as certain criminals in place, I think, wanted it to happen.
	Well, Rebecca, that's been about six minutes.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	That's okay.
	I lost track.
	Take a few more, Rebecca.
	I've got no problem.
	Well, no, Jim, I think she made a good initial point.
	Let's give you six minutes.
	I lost track of time.
	That's fine.
	I just go on and on talking.
	Well, good.
	Keep track of the clock there, Stephanie.
	I begin by saying I'm a huge fan of Rebecca Carnes.
	We began doing interviews a couple of years ago, and I thought she was simply sensational.
	She's very articulate, very passionate, and at that point in time, She was a Newtown mom who had finally figured out that Sandy Hook had been a scam and that nobody had died.
	In fact, she was, I think, pretty much at that point in alignment with the findings of my book, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
	It was a FEMA drill to promote gun control, the first edition of which was published in 2015, the second in 2016.
	Well, I brought together 13 experts, including six current or retired PhD professors.
	We established the school had been closed by 2008.
	It was loaded with asbestos and other biohazards.
	It was damaged by a hurricane.
	It turns out, in addition, there was a major flood in the area in 2007 that did extensive additional damage.
	There were no students or teachers there.
	And we even have the FEMA manual for the training event, actually a mass casualty exercise involving children, beginning at 8 a.m., ending at 11.59 on the 13th, with the event to be evaluated the following day.
	When it would be presented as a live event, but in accordance with the FEMA practice, we had all the elements of a FEMA drill.
	We had porta potties there in place.
	We had pizza, bottled water from the firehouse.
	We had a sign saying everyone must check in and right in the manual it says everyone must check in with a controller upon arrival so they can be paid.
	We had many wearing name tags on lanyards.
	That's standard for a FEMA exercise.
	They allocate or identify the players by color-coded name tags on lanyards.
	You even had parents bringing children to the scene.
	Now, not to make the obvious point, but no parent would bring a child to the scene of a child shooting massacre.
	Now, having brought together these experts, including Paul Preston, by the way, who himself has a radio show then, and it may still be called Agenda 21, where Paul has, as a school administrator, supervised active shooting drills, he was very disturbed by what he saw being broadcast from Newtown that day, and reached out to his contacts in the Obama Department of Education
	All of whom confirmed to him it had been a drill, that no children had been harmed, and it was done to promote gun control.
	It's right there in the book.
	You can read it.
	He was interviewed at the time by Sophia Smallstorm, and Rebecca, somewhat to my surprise, and even, I must admit, a modicum of distress, has recently launched an attack on Sophia, On Wolfgang Halbig and on me for being, as she portrays it, some kind of off spreading disinformation, when I believe precisely the opposite is the case.
	We've all been sincerely seeking the truth.
	I know Wolfgang rather well.
	He and I traveled to Newtown together in 2014.
	We visited the branch of the United Way where donations were being received and six or seven beefy Newtown cops came out to physically block his access, even though under law those records are supposed to be available to the public.
	We visited the site where the school had stood.
	It was reduced at the time to dirt cloth, so they had a little section of it that I think they were going to try to turn into a memorial.
	We would, that evening, speak before the school board, where we were each allocated three minutes to speak.
	And Wolfgang was the first, and I was the second.
	I asked, knowing the terrible, dilapidated condition of the school, from which we have extensive video evidence, and where, may I mention along the way, a contractor visited there.
	He posted about this in 2010.
	He was visiting a friend in Monroe, and unbeknownst to him, his friend wanted to pick up a couple of school desks on the cheap, and they traveled over to Newtown, and he couldn't believe the deplorable condition of the school.
	Well, there appears to have been nothing going on there, but when I spoke to the school board, I asked, when were the parents notified that their students were attending school in a toxic waste dump?
	The Newtown Bee would eventually publish about this as though it were information only known after the event and so why they couldn't rebuild or refurbish the school, but it was actually well known in advance.
	The school had been abandoned.
	It's not even clear that it was actually an elementary school.
	There's no unloading dock.
	There's no place for teachers to park.
	And of course, when you look at photographs of the actual parking area, there are many anomalies.
	It was a 38 degree temperature day, which is above freezing.
	But still cold enough that to conduct classes you'd have to heat up the school, but there's no steam or heat rising from the building, no doubt, because the boilers were non-functional from all the years of non-use.
	If you look at the way the vehicles are parked in the lot, it's quite strange too, because they're all parked facing the school, whereas there's only the one entrance on Dickinson Drive.
	You turn in, you curl to the right, turn around, and then park facing away.
	But here they're all parked facing the building, indicating they brought them in in a single line and put them in two by two by two.
	That was easier.
	And who was even going to notice?
	Plus, let me add this as one final point.
	There's no handicapped parking.
	There's none of the familiar blue and white signage.
	So I even checked the law in Connecticut and the federal law at the time.
	This building could not have been operating as a public school in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act.
	So, it's rather clear that, in fact, the school was closed, there were no students there, and this whole thing was really a FEMA exercise presented as mass murder to promote gun control.
	But, of course, I'll await the opportunity to present more supporting evidence for that position.
	Well, both fine introductory statements.
	I'd like to give our brother from another mother, George Hobbs, the Fact Hunter, as guest co-host, the first opportunity to ask a question, and then Scorpio.
	Go ahead, George.
	Yeah, so no matter if you believe whether children were sacrificed or, you know, nobody died on that day, there was certainly a large cast of characters that were recruited to execute this operation.
	So the question therein lies, you know, who was in charge of the operation and where do they find people like the David Wheeler's, the Scarlett Lewis's, the Neil Heslin's, and the Jeremy Richman's?
	Rebecca, I guess you could start.
	Yeah, I mean, I think it's a mix of maybe some operatives, but also people.
	And I think in the entertainment field, we've got musicians and actors from two of the sets of parents, the Wheelers and the Greens, I think.
	Oh, and the Barden father is, of course, a saxophonist from Nashville that plays with some big people.
	So these are the types that kind of like the limelight, they long to be in the attention under the spotlight, and they've really signed up for lifetime roles as victims of Are parents of victims of, you know, gun violence as the left will bill it and sell this.
	So, you know, I think they recruit in certain ways through connections.
	It could be CIA for some of them.
	I suspect some kind of, you know, have the acting element and the operative element in there.
	I suspect that with David Wheeler.
	But these people are brought in.
	They have deep background connections.
	And I think they just crave the spotlight and they they accept their lifetime role and they get to go to the Oscars.
	They get to go hang out with Maria Shriver like Scarlett Lewis and go to the Grammys and do red carpet events like Caitlin Roig and Glamour Spread magazines and People magazine spreads.
	And these people accepted their lifetime roles and that's what they're doing.
	But they, you know, President Biden also calls Mark Barton up to the White House every time there's another school shooting and parades him out to the microphone.
	And, you know, Barton likes that he likes the limelight.
	So, you know, I will say in rebuttal quick to Jim's point, you know, The school was built in 1956.
	This is an old school.
	This is the winter.
	There's obviously going to be crud and mud that's whipped up during storms.
	The entire fourth grade class for years was in trailers behind the school.
	So they had almost, I think it was officially 469 students because pre-K they had preschool there too.
	I know this for a fact because when my children were offered a free preschool option in Newtown, I could either choose Sandy Hook as an option or Hedo Meadow.
	Now at the time I lived on Poor House Road in Newtown.
	I was renting a house with my first husband and we chose Hedo Meadow because we were in the dodging town borough of Newtown.
	Newtown has five boroughs, Sandy Hook being the largest.
	So I also, my friend Sherry, who had a son at the school in eighth grade at the time of the shooting, she gave me a video that she took when her son was in first grade in Caitlin Rowett's class.
	Now there was a different teacher, but she showed it.
	I zoomed in on one of the hallways that actually had dirt in the corner.
	And I used to be an elementary school teacher.
	I taught kindergarten, first grade, second grade, all the way up to sixth grade English.
	And I know the janitors push those big, you know, circular kind of turbine cleaners down the hallway, and it spins off all this mud and crud.
	And this, again, was an old school.
	So, you know, I get the whole thing like, yeah, there's a bunch of big players in town.
	You got BlackRock executives, GE executives, you've got entertainment people here, and Yes, it was 1956 it was built.
	industrial financial power players here.
	Why would they send their school to a dilapidated school?
	Well, you know, it wasn't all that way.
	I mean, you can see from the photos of the school at the time, it had some nice decorations and it was, yes, it was 1956 it was built.
	And I just want to show a yearbook because this, this is the first way Jim and his crew is wrong.
	He's He said, and Wolfgang Halbig said, the school was closed in 2008.
	They said emphatically.
	I have a yearbook from my friend.
	I'm at her house now.
	She's a Sandy Hook mom as well.
	I had two Sandy Hook moms, or three actually, reach out to me.
	I'm friends with two since I posted my blog, my skeptical questions about Sandy Hook.
	And we've become friends, and this has pictures, I've done a video on my Bitchu channel with Caitlin Roeg, it shows Vicky Soto in here, it shows Nurse Sally Cox in here, and all, you know.
	So, 2009, and they're saying, oh, you know, it's impossible, the Wi-Fi connection wasn't going to the school since 2008, so it couldn't have been an operation.
	Bam!
	Wrong.
	And you can go, and I will show this later when I have time, you can go on websites and look at all the newsletters and handbooks that Sandy Hook School sent out through the district to parents that go all the way up to the 2010-11 school year.
	And my friend, I just want to end with one thing, had a great idea to call the publisher here, which I'm going to do, Jocelyn's, and try and order a book, a yearbook from the year prior.
	Of course, they didn't put a yearbook out the year it happened because of the tragedy.
	Yeah.
	Jim, your turn.
	While you're at it, Rebecca, why don't you get yearbooks from the previous years.
	Why don't you find somewhere where they had a bake sale at Sandy Hook during that period of time, or other events, or a Teacher of the Year.
	You won't find it because it didn't happen.
	The most telling indication from a formal study was from Stephen Sedensky III, the Danbury State Attorney, who investigated and composed the final report on Sandy Hook.
	It took him nearly a year to do it, oddly.
	He doesn't mention the names or the sex or the ages of the various victims.
	That's a peculiarity.
	Far more serious, however, is that he does not create a causal nexus that connects the alleged shooter Adam Lanza, whom I'm convinced is a fictional character, and just a mention incidentally.
	His death was originally reported in the Social Security Death Index as having occurred on the 13th, making his feat in shooting 20 students and 6 adults the following day all the more remarkable.
	And if you continue, he was unable to establish that Adam had even shot his mother with a .22 caliber rifle.
	When you read the report, it turns out there were no fingerprints on the rifle, though I understood there may have been a partial for a felon in a distant state that was never pursued.
	More strikingly, they claim in a footnote, as I recall, 53, that while they gathered 150 slugs or so from the classroom, they were unable to match any of them with a weapon he's alleged to have used.
	So if this had gone into a courtroom, there would have been no proof that Adam Lanza had even killed his mother, much less the 20 children and six adults.
	And by the way, When you contemplate what would have been the motive for faking all of this, it turns out by my best calculation, sympathetic but gullible Americans contributed between $27 and $130 million in donations, which divided by 26 means they got between $1 and $5 million for playing the role of a grieving parent at Sandy Hook, some of whom did a very poor job of it, by the way.
	You mentioned David Wheeler.
	I think it was PK who first observed that he was playing two roles that day, not only the grieving father, but a SWAT team member walking up and down Dickinson Road holding a rifle upside down by the magazine as a former Marine Corps officer assumed as a series commander with 15 DIs and 300 recruits under my command going through the training cycle.
	Even the least well-trained private would know better than to hold the weapon upside down by the magazine, which is designed to be rapidly replaced.
	It would easily have fallen.
	We can see in some of the video he's trying to conceal his identity.
	Too little, too late.
	You mentioned this Uvalde thing.
	Well, there are lots of oddities there.
	I do believe it was modeled after Sandy Hook.
	Instead of shooting his mother now, the Uvalde shooter is supposed to have shot his grandmother.
	Instead of shooting up first grade kids, they buried it as second, third, and fourth.
	But believe it or not, we had a reprise.
	The woman who played Victoria Soto at Sandy Hook shows up at Ubaldi as another school teacher.
	And you may be interested to know, Rebecca, if you haven't figured it out already, the woman who played Susan Brough down in Charlottesville also plays Donna Soto in Newtown.
	And she's been the leader of the legal team going after Remington and all that.
	I mean, It's so insulting to our face how blatant these events are, fabricated and fake, where anyone who wants more of the details of not only Uvalde, but Buffalo, which was based on the New Zealand Christchurch shooting, is unbelievably amateurish.
	Just check it out at my BitChute channel, Jim Fetzer.
	Hold on, Rebecca.
	Let's stick to the format.
	Scorpio, your turn for a question.
	Okay, well, I want to thank Jim and Rebecca for coming on, and George, nice to meet you as well.
	But before I ask my question, I just want to get something clear with Rebecca.
	Did you imply in your interview with George that you thought that Jim is like controlled opposition or paid somehow as a disinformation agent?
	Was that your position?
	I just want to be clear on where you are with that.
	I did.
	And he also said, is Rebecca Carnes, was she lying then or was she lying?
	Is she lying now?
	Which is a completely absurd thing to say, because, of course, people if people's opinion as they gather more information changes on things.
	So but here's the thing.
	I don't want to I don't want this to devolve into some kind of pointing the finger and ad hominem attacks and stuff.
	I'm here respectfully as someone who wants to engage in a respectful and honorable debate.
	I respect Jim for his work, but I respectfully also disagree.
	And here is Vicky Soto in second grade as a teacher I've shown this on my Bitchute channel.
	I don't know if you guys can see right there.
	That's Vicky Soto.
	2009.
	And you're telling me she's up there and is now a Uvalde shooting operative?
	Or crisis actor?
	This doesn't make any sense and this is what I'm talking about.
	Also, I have tons of evidence that- Okay, I want to go ahead and ask my question though.
	The reason I brought that up is I think if we're going to make those kind of accusations, there needs to be some kind of evidence to back it up.
	If you think Jim is a disinformation agent, we need to have evidence for that, or it should be retracted.
	That's my only point.
	But my question to you... Okay, that's fine, because first of all, I'm open to the idea of other possibilities.
	I'm not married to any particular theory, so I'm open.
	I have an open mind.
	I'm coming into this with an open mind.
	I'm not married to a theory, okay?
	I'm trying to find what the truth is.
	But I would like to see a yearbook from 2011.
	Because here's the problem I'm having with... I want to establish if the school was open, because 2009 is fine, whatever.
	I want to see something from 2011, or as close as possible before the shooting.
	Because here's the thing, and maybe you could address this.
	There was a video that was posted on YouTube back in the Wild West days before everything was censored on YouTube where a guy walked around the perimeter of the school maybe a month or two after this happened.
	And he stuck the camera in the window going around the school.
	And I'm telling you, the school was in such terrible disrepair.
	There was holes in the ceiling.
	There was holes in the wall.
	I don't mean bullet holes.
	I mean, just cracks and cracks in the plaster and just incredible state of disrepair all over the inside of the school.
	And, you know, I used to live in Connecticut and I've never lived in, you know, Newtown.
	But Connecticut is one of those states where you have rich towns and poor towns and medium, you know, income towns.
	And, you know, the towns that have money, the schools are always in really good shape.
	So maybe you could address this idea that the school was in really bad condition.
	And the second part of my question is, do you or anyone you know have a 2011 yearbook?
	Because that would do a lot to establish that the school is actually open.
	Because 2009 doesn't cut it for me.
	No, but I'm going to order one.
	And I've already addressed this school issue.
	And, you know, you talk about some random guy that shot footage a month after the shooting.
	Well, of course, the school is going to be in disrepair after the police ransacked it for over a week.
	But, you know, in terms of Jim Fetzer, I am very suspicious when I present him and others present him, like Deanna Spignol and C.W.
	Wade, with obvious proof That Autumn Lanza was a real person.
	You can go see him on YouTube and Dance Dance Revolution.
	Yeah, Revolution.
	I have eyewitnesses in my family and in town that described to me their first person interactions with him.
	I have an eyewitness at a scene that day, a mother who called me who describes, you know, that she knew these victims.
	She saw a bleeding girl.
	She saw the teacher lived on her street.
	I've got eyewitness accounts.
	Of my family as well, with my oldest stepson being in a study hall with Adam Lanza.
	My oldest stepdaughter's boyfriend had play dates with him as a kid and also was in his ninth grade class.
	I mean, I could go on and on.
	I worked with a parent who was interviewed by Chris Cuomo, Amy Seaver, who had little Ellie Seaver in her class.
	And she told me before I even suspected anything about Sandy Hook on a train ride, 'cause we both worked at Taunton Press about what happened, but she couldn't talk about it that much.
	I have eyewitness accounts.
	And I am a former journalist.
	So when people tell me things, I am very astute.
	And I remember accurately, I no doubt to gauge whether someone's being sincere with me, and I know how to retain the information, you know, communicate that information to others.
	This is something I did professionally.
	I have a degree in English and journalism.
	I worked as a professional journalist.
	So I know how to interview people.
	And I know how to get information, synthesize it and make connections and come to conclusions.
	And when you give someone like Jim Fetzer obvious evidence that Adam Lanza existed, and with my very first interview, I brought up with Jim, and I can play that clip right now, evidence from the FBI file.
	about neighbors and friends who were interviewed about Adam Lanza, how he broke into the Pentagon as a 12-year-old to the second level, and the FBI visited his house.
	And then on the way out, when they saw he was just this benign kid with savant-like computer programming and hacking capabilities, said, he can work for us someday, or he can work for us any day, they said to Nancy Lanza.
	And this is in the FBI report.
	And when I say this to Jim Fetzer, and after all the other evidence that I and other researchers have presented that show Adam Lanza to not be just some Photoshop compilation, he says to me, well, I've been forced to conclude that he was just a fictional character. - Does it work?
	This is why I question this.
	You know, with obvious evidence, look at all the police reports.
	This is the biggest evidence we have.
	Do you think police officers will perjure themselves easily?
	I'm talking about dozens of police reports that match up with what the scene looked like that day.
	The police perjure themselves all the time, but that's, I mean, that's just a fact.
	And, you know, I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're not really, none of that is evidence.
	It's like, you know this person, you know that person, and maybe Adam Lanza did exist, but police do perjure themselves all the time.
	The FBI perjures themselves all the time.
	You have to realize, too, that there's free, you know, there's a lot of free masonry going on within police, and they will, they will go along with the program if they're told to.
	That's just the way it actually works, so... Well, that's why... I'm open to hearing new evidence, but I haven't heard any evidence yet.
	Go ahead, Jim.
	Well, I'm fascinated how Rebecca's enthusiastic about the FBI as a source, because its Consolidated Crime Report for 2012 shows, at the intersection of Newtown and murders or non-negligent manslaughter, the numbers zero, Z-E-R-O, zilch, nada, nothing, not a one.
	So if Rebecca's going to play stock in the FBI, then she ought to acknowledge the FBI's Consolidate Crime Report provides promulgated evidence that it did not happen.
	As far as mentioning Deanna Spingola and C.D.
	Wade of all people, I mean, look, I have debated Wade before.
	If you want a nice example of an obvious op, C.D.
	Wade fits the bill.
	Spingola's more elusive.
	She actually evaded doing a debate with me after agreeing to do so because I think she was unwilling to confront all the evidence that I could adduce.
	The CIA, by the way, is very expert at producing fake documents, yearbooks.
	I mean, that's a piece of cake.
	And as far as Victoria Soto, I can guarantee you 100% Victoria Soto played that role.
	She reprised her bowl down in Yvanda that she played in Sandy Hook.
	And I surmise she was handsomely paid for doing so.
	You gotta understand money is a powerful incentive for these people.
	The whole community of Sandy Hook, as far as the families are concerned and the players, it was rather put together, not quite like a jugsaw puzzle, but they're participants in the event who don't know and have never interacted with each other.
	The whole thing's really a fabrication, kind of brilliantly conceived, but where it involved key players in the community.
	I would conjecture the head of the school board was involved, the head of the police department, the city attorney, the head of the volunteer fire department, The town clerk, the registrar, and so forth, they were all complicit.
	In fact, it was even being run behind the scene by the Connecticut State Police, who, interestingly, were photographing everything they did.
	Some of the photographs are very telling.
	If Rebecca has read the book, we have 50 photographs from the Autumn Lanza home, which shows that it was actually an empty house.
	It was just staged to appear as though Adam Lanza had lived there.
	There's none of the decoration photographs and the like, you know, paintings on the wall.
	Even the photograph from the Nancy Lanza bedroom where she's supposed to have shot is revealing because while there's some red stuff on the bed, it doesn't look to me like blood.
	I think it might be raspberry jam.
	There's a cedar chest at the bottom and there's some papers there.
	I think they were keeping records of how they'd arranged each room, but where Kelly Watt, My dear research colleague who was given this death certificate with no file number and no town or state certification by the man who calls himself Leonard Posner himself who has her own home and commercial cleaning service spotted with her keen eye a blue moving pad beneath a leg of the bed that in their haste they forgot to remove.
	There's another 50 from From the school, including the moving vans that came in to refurbish it so it could serve as the stage for this event and a vast amount of other photographic evidence that I'll be happy to address as we proceed, including photographs from inside the school, taken by the Connecticut State Police, where there's supposed to be bodies in the hallway, blood in the classroom, no bodies, no blood, all completely contrived.
	And if you want a piece de resistance, We have a photograph of a SWAT team vehicle already there.
	You've got Wayne Carver, the medical examiner, leaning against the wall with his arm folded, awaiting the arrival of his portable mortuary tent.
	There's crime scene tape up, but for a crime that is yet to be committed.
	Because you can see in the background, there's a string of four windows in Classroom 10 that after the event would be shot up, but here they're perfectly undamaged.
	Proof positive it happened in a single photograph.
	Set up to deceive the American people.
	And by the way, Brian Davidson, a PI, who's just a brilliant guy who's mastered the techniques of internet research, has done a study of that photograph.
	And he discovered in the process, when he discovered it came from the files of the Connecticut State Police, that they've wiped the metadata off of all of the photographs they've taken.
	Which means they cannot be produced as evidence in a court of law.
	There's only one possible explanation for that to wit, that they were complicit in perpetrating this fraud.
	Well, to... Can I rebut?
	Oh, sorry.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	No, go ahead.
	I have eyewitness interview accounts.
	I have a neighbor of a teacher and a first grader and she said that her husband was also a Westport cop that stepped in as a first responder that day.
	He went into the school He actually kicked Adam Lanza.
	He actually helped cover the crime scene at the Lanza house and went in there.
	She's giving me all these details.
	Anyone could go on my Bitchu channel and listen to her interview with me.
	I have another eyewitness account, my younger My stepdaughter's boyfriend's little brother was on the wrestling team with Jack Pinto, went to his funeral, it was open casket.
	I had this great opportunity because of the Evaldi shooting the other day and the topic came up, because otherwise it's very hard to ask friends and family about Sandy Hook or anyone you encounter in town.
	It's such a lightning topic.
	I said, oh, you're on the wrestling team with Jack Pinto.
	He said, yes.
	I said, I'm sorry, you lost your friend.
	Where were you guys practicing?
	He said at the Sandy Hook Elementary School and at the Middle School, which exactly corroborated my research on where the wrestling team was practicing that year.
	And all Jim Fetzer has is, I think, the blood in Nancy Lanza's room looked like raspberry jam.
	And you're saying he has more evidence than me?
	This is what I'm talking about.
	I have solid evidence, and not just eyewitness and first-hand witness accounts of people that knew Adam Lanza.
	Go on YouTube and look at his Dance Dance Revolution stuff.
	This is before deepfakes and all that kind of video technology existed.
	Go look at the FBI, the CSP, and the counselor reports where they gave a causal reason, motive for Autumn Lanza to kill these kids.
	He constantly wrote in his journal and online and Reddit groups as Smiggles and other names he took on about he was a nihilist.
	He said, "I'm going to do kids a favor by not letting them grow up in this horrific world where they're just being programmed." He was into pedophilia.
	He was...
	He was preyed upon when he was young.
	This is all in these reports that are official evidence.
	So why can Jim Fetzer hold up a supposed official FEMA drill manual from the federal government that says this is official?
	See, it's a hoax.
	But all this other official documentation and reports he can just, you know, brush aside because it doesn't fit in with his speculative opinion about what happened in Sandy Hook that day?
	Explain that to me, please.
	Jim, you have the right to rebut, and then I'll take over.
	Well, there are different kinds of alleged evidence.
	Rebecca's got a lot of hearsay.
	I mean, it wouldn't even be admissible in a court of law.
	She may believe it.
	She may have a higher grade of gullibility than I. Certainly, a lot of the American people were taken in, or they wouldn't contribute that massive amount of money, just to substantiate Scorpio's point.
	about the police lying all the time.
	Wolfgang Halbig obtained affidavits from 14 or 16 Connecticut state troopers who insist they entered into the school through this blown out window in the front.
	Well, it had all kinds of jagged edges.
	Anyone going through there cares about their uniform as officers or when I was in the Marine Corps, do isn't gonna take the risk of getting their uniform torn up by a piece of glass.
	What you ought to have done if you were going to go in that way, which would be silly in the first place, is to break out it completely so there's no glass there.
	But in fact, we have photographs from outside and from inside.
	From outside, you can see this hole.
	I don't think a state trooper could possibly have gone in through that hole.
	I don't believe Adam Lanza made his entry that way.
	Inside, we have the furniture.
	It's still in place.
	It's not in disarray.
	You have pieces of glass from the shard, you know, shattering of the glass all over, but they're not ground into the dirt as you would at 14 or 16.
	In fact, The Three Stooges could have done better because you'd have Joe go in and then come around and open the door for Larry and Moe.
	I mean, this is just completely stupid.
	And they have sworn affidavits.
	So I'm just telling you, you know, I'm I like Rebecca, but she has gone off the deep end.
	And by the way, as far as any idea of my being some kind of op, and she's implied I was highly paid, I will agree to this.
	What I meant when I said, is she lying now or is she lying then?
	Was she wrong then?
	Is she wrong now?
	I'd have to go back and choose which, because she can't both be right at the time I was interviewing her, because I thought it was a sensational find to have a Newtown mom who'd come to the realization it had been fake.
	So I not only interviewed her, but I promoted her in a big way.
	But now, you know, that she's taken this turn, it's certainly the case that one is entitled to change your opinion as a function of rationality.
	If you find new evidence or alternative hypotheses, you may find you have to reject hypotheses you previously accepted, accept hypotheses you previously rejected, and leave others in suspense.
	Well, I've yet to hear any of the evidence that Rebecca finds so persuasive as to change your opinion from what it was then to what it is now.
	Well, I stopped doing shows with you, Jim, because you wanted me to push Trump so much.
	And I could tell Trump was a stooge puppet from the beginning, and that immediately made me question your discernment.
	And that's why I stopped doing shows with you.
	I have never, I have never flip-flopped on children dying at Sandy Hook.
	I'll show you this interview, I wanted to show you this Lenny Urbina, Avial Richmond, but I'll send you a clip with Oli Demogard and Jason Goodman and I said right on their show, my very first interview, I don't agree with that title, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
	And I said, I think this was a mix.
	I think some children did lose their lives.
	And as soon as I said that, Ole Demigard looked down.
	I can show the clip.
	I have it cued if you want to see it.
	And he looked uncomfortable because you guys are all playing on the same angle here.
	And I just want to point out something about Wolfgang Holbein, because I think the proof is in the fruit you bear.
	Everything he, first of all, he collects all this money and he has, where are the, what is he really doing?
	I'll give you an example.
	Look at this Lenny Urbina, Aviel Richman photo that he hired this FBI guy to analyze.
	I'll debunk it right now.
	Is it up on the screen, Giuseppe?
	What photo are we talking about?
	The one I have on my share screen.
	Lenny Urbina and Aviel Richman.
	Oh, you need to hit the share screen button again because I'm not seeing it.
	You're not seeing that?
	If you want to email it to me, I can put it up for you. - Yeah.
	Oh, here it is.
	System share.
	Here it is.
	Here we go.
	Is it shared?
	I'm gonna debunk this in two seconds, and this is just the same as the Sandy Hook Choir hoax fodder, I call it, where they got kids that purposely looked like they could be older versions of the victims, and this is what they put out in these channels to make you think that everyone died.
	They want you, you know, so here, I'll debunk this right now.
	Aviel Richman, right?
	These two girls, Lenny Urbina, this is the daughter of the wrestling coach in town, Curtis Urbina.
	He's pretty plugged in.
	He probably lent a photo to people to run.
	And Aviel Richman, we all know she was her father.
	Jeremy Richman committed suicide, and that's a whole other story.
	But I'm looking at this, which actually Nathan Stoltman ran as possible proof that there was some fishy stuff going on.
	And I don't deny there's lots of fishy stuff going on in Sandy Hook, but I'll debunk this right now.
	Look at her lip.
	above the right side of her lip, What do you see there where my cursor is?
	BAM.
	Do you see any moles above the right upper lip?
	Look at this.
	Of course, this isn't even Lenny Urbina.
	This is Aviel Richmond.
	This is Lenny Urbina.
	This is correct.
	Mole.
	And I looked at, because she's in college now, and today I looked at her college photo.
	She has that same mole.
	How do you just, uh, what?
	Every time Avielle Richmond had a photo taken of her, they had the mole removed?
	Come on, people!
	This is hoax fodder!
	Now, Jim Fetzer is now immediately going into his auto-hoax mode with the Vivaldi shooting.
	Like, oh, all these blue-collar Mexican families down there are crisis actors or some sort of CIA or Mossad operatives?
	Give me a break!
	That is the same setup as what happened in Sandy Hook.
	They had a cop hold off everyone for an hour while the supposed gunman or his black op guys did the killing.
	And they have free Masonic men set up to control the action.
	I'm not saying that Sandy Hook is entirely, you know, legit.
	There's some, of course, some dirty, fishy, horrible stuff, and people set up before time.
	On its foundation, it is fake.
	But children really died.
	It's easier that way.
	I want to show you one more clip.
	Do you think this kid would be in my friend's class, sophomore at high school right now?
	This is little Daniel Barden, playing, ironically, It's a Wonderful World, two weeks before he was slaughtered.
	This is him.
	This is on YouTube.
	This is the jerk Mark Barton, head of Sandy Hook Promise.
	I love to see Limelight with his pal Joe Biden he talks to on the phone all the time.
	This kid is real.
	He was really killed.
	It's easier that way.
	Do you know how hard it would be for my kids who go to school and my friends' kids?
	Uh, mom and my new friend mom in town who has a kid in his in the first grade class.
	They moved to town later.
	Do you know how hard it would be if little Daniel Barden, who the family still lives in town, is walking around the high school and and the kids just have to cover up the lie?
	Oh, yeah, that's Daniel Barden.
	Yeah, he's still alive, but you know wink wink.
	We're keeping this tamp down because my parents are getting money or they're getting threats.
	Give me a break!
	It would be impossible to contain this, especially on a local level.
	That's why I don't trust people like Jim Fetzer and Wolfgang Halleberg and Sophia Smallstorm, who said she used to live in Sandy Hook.
	Big red flag there, and she's from Westchester County, the whole Gold Coast area where Black Rock is and everything.
	Give me a break.
	These people are set up, unfortunately, to channel truthers down one avenue.
	That's that nobody died.
	It's a big old hoax avenue, because that way you don't look behind the curtain in The Wizard of Oz and see who the real perpetrator is.
	The real perpetrators are the criminal cabal, Satanist, Hate God, hate mankind, hate everything that's good and true in this world.
	They're the ones we should be fighting against, not each other.
	Because Jim and I agree on the foundation that it was pre-planned.
	Yeah, there's horrible jerks set up, but they really do kill people.
	It's easier that way to pull off.
	Do you know how hard it would be to contain this lie?
	Think about it.
	Please.
	Talk about logic and reason.
	Please.
	Hold on.
	Did I just lose Scorpio?
	Here he is.
	Okay.
	Powerful stuff.
	I'm glad you addressed this because Rebecca's making a lot of emotional appeals.
	I'm certainly glad we got on some real kids here because April Richman was Lenny Urbana.
	There's no doubt about it.
	This is a borrowed kid.
	I doubt very much that her father committed suicide.
	He's got too much money from being, you know, all these donations.
	We have video where you can see very clearly April Richman, a.k.a.
	Lenny Urbana, is singing at the Super Bowl.
	Now, Rebecca's talking about a mole.
	Well, moles can be added or subtracted.
	You can take away features as well as add them in photographs.
	That one on the left didn't look right to me, but we have plenty of photographs of Lenny Urbana to show that it was April Richmond.
	And my God, she's singing at the Super Bowl.
	She's very distinctive because she had a birthmark across the corner of her forehead that's dark.
	It's very distinctive.
	There's no question at all whatsoever that this is the same person.
	Now, if Sophia and Wolfgang and I are supposed to be obvs, and she's implied I was being paid off, well, it's pretty easy to tell that I'm not a wealthy guy, you know.
	I'd probably not be driving a 2007 Honda Accord.
	I'd have something much newer.
	This is now 2022.
	I'd have some money in the bank, but I don't.
	In fact, Because I petitioned the U.S.
	Supreme Court as a pro se applicant, I had to prove that I couldn't afford a lawyer.
	I have $1.1 million plus in judgments against me.
	I'm over $100,000 in debt to attorneys who were assisting me up to my time, and you can verify that in my submission to the Supreme Court.
	Go to the U.S.
	Supreme Court, check the docket, put in Fetzer v. Posner.
	Fetzer v. Posner.
	You'll have all this at the fingertips.
	I don't know if Rebecca has bothered.
	I think her mind is made up and she doesn't want to be bothered with facts, especially if it comes to attacking me.
	But I think she's far, far off base here.
	She wandered way off the reservation.
	I don't understand exactly why, but she really does not have any solid evidence.
	I mean, for crying out loud, we got the FEMA manual.
	We got the FBI Consolidated Crime Report.
	We got the photographic record.
	I got a 440-page book.
	I wonder now, did Rebecca read the book?
	Either she did or she didn't.
	If she did, then she knows how powerful is the case.
	I'm telling you, there are participants in the hoax who have read the book and they like the book, every one of them, because they appreciate that I got it right.
	So Rebecca really needs to do a little more homework.
	I'm really disappointed that she's giving us nothing but hearsay.
	And false claims about photographs.
	I have many in my own lineup.
	When I do my presentation, I'll lay that one to rest without any doubt.
	Well, we're coming up to about the break in about five minutes.
	I don't think that's enough time for anyone to do justice to their presentation, so we'll start that after the top of the hour breaks.
	But Jim, I guess I don't mean to throw fuel on the fire, but I own a color edition of Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
	Here it is.
	This is real, people.
	This is not deepfake.
	This is a real book.
	And Jim, I never would have thought to ask this question except I paid extra to get the The autographed version, and it says, Dear Giuseppe, the truth is out there, Leon Panetta.
	And so, Jim, are you a CIA operative?
	I said it, Leon Panetta, you gotta be kidding me.
	No, I'm just joking.
	Well, you know, it's such a peculiar claim.
	I've had it thrown at me before.
	I had been doing this, you know, I got serious about conspiracy research in 1992 when the editor-in-chief of the Journal of the AMA went about denouncing everyone who'd done serious research debunking the Warren Report.
	And attacking Oliver Stone's film as docu-fiction, and then turned on Charles Crenshaw, a wonderful physician from Parkland, who published a book, Conspiracy of Science, explaining how they would all be in order to be quiet.
	Rebecca ignores that the participants here are signing gag orders, agreements not to disclose, they're being paid.
	We had one of Alex Jones' own guys going door-to-door at the time, and he was being told They were surprised there'd been any kids there because the school had been closed for years.
	So, Rebecca's been very peculiar, selective in what she's offering here.
	I'm not impressed by any of it.
	I certainly do believe Adam Lonson was a skull that they did water-colored to make it look more haunting.
	Others have noticed he bears a striking resemblance to David Hogg from Parkland.
	Well, remember, my methodology is to bring together groups of experts to sort these things out and figure out what really happened.
	13 in the case of Sandy Hook, 17 in one of my books on 9-11.
	I have a similar group with Parkland, with Charlottesville, with Orlando and Dallas.
	I've done a huge amount on Las Vegas, and I'm telling you, There are billions of events that go on virtually every single day.
	Only a very small number of them turn out to be politically significant and controversial.
	But that's where I focus my attention, those that are politically significant that are being used, where there'd be a motive by the government to lie.
	And time after time after time, my research has exposed that government is complicit So if I were a government operative, I'd have to be the most counterproductive in history, because the results of my research have implicated the government in fabricating the moon landing, taking out JFK, orchestrating 9-11, taking out Paul Wellstone, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, Orlando, Dallas, Parkland, Charlottesville, Las Vegas.
	I mean, look, I have a track record here, and it's very substantial, and there are a whole lot of Collaborative researchers.
	I bring in people who are expert in areas where I am not in order to get it right.
	Rebecca has none of the above, and for her to attack me in some kind of off is just on its face.
	Simply ridiculous.
	Jim and Rebecca, let's stop right there and save it for the next hour.
	George Hobbs and then Scorpio, your thoughts on Hour One?
	We have about two minutes to have your guys' thoughts.
	Two quick points, if I may, about what Dave was saying.
	If you're in the police and you don't purge yourself, if you remember the story about Sergeant Santucci, who was the face of the Sandy Hook shootings, they rolled him up a couple years after, so that leads me to believe that he wasn't playing ball.
	The other thing is, if you do a little bit of research, and this is just me, maybe you guys know more on this, but if you look at the food deliveries That used to go to Sandy Hook.
	It looks like they stopped before that.
	And in the fall of 2012, all the food shipments that were going to Sandy Hook were going to Chalk Hill.
	Because I think the biggest thing that we talked about is the school opener closed.
	That's going to be the big, if we can prove one or the other, that's going to lend the most credence to this case.
	Two compelling points.
	Scorpio, your thoughts as we approach the break?
	Well, this has been a compelling debate so far, but I want, on the next hour, I want to give Rebecca a chance to actually bring forward some evidence other than people she's talked to.
	You know, something we can verify.
	Something I can go verify, because I'm open to the theory.
	And I really want to see a copy of the 2011 yearbook.
	I've been looking for a copy since this thing started.
	I have not met anyone that's ever come up with one.
	And if you can order one, tell me where I can order one, because I want a copy of it too.
	And I have some questions for Jim, too.
	I want to put a little heat on Jim, too.
	I don't want to make it look like I'm just squeezing Rebecca, because I'm not.
	I want to put a little heat on Jim, too.
	So we'll do that next hour.
	And I think I have some good questions that should really be interesting.
	Well, it is Pride Month, so this is the proper month to put a little heat on Jim.
	So stay tuned for hour two of this special event, The Great Debate.
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	You're muted, Giuseppe.
	I'm sorry.
	Welcome back to the second hour of the special event, The Great Debate, between Jim Fetzer and Rebecca Carnes.
	Compelling hour one, and now I guess it would be appropriate to give each participant the opportunity to do their presentation.
	So, since Rebecca went first, Jim, would you like to go first here in the presentation?
	And since, you know, time is, I'm scrolling through it, there's a lot there, so we have to go pretty quick.
	But are you ready to go, Jim?
	Sure, go ahead Giuseppe, gladly.
	Okay, let's turn this on.
	Share screen.
	Okay.
	Basically, now, we're comparing two alternatives.
	One, that this Sandy Hook shooting was real as advertised.
	The other, that it was fake.
	Rebecca offers a variation that was fake, but some kids were killed.
	Let me address that right off the bat.
	It turns out that contrary to her assertion that it's easier to just kill kids, it's not.
	It turns out that In 9-11, four widows of men who died at the World Trade Center, known as the Jersey Girls, put pressure on Bush and Cheney, who didn't want to even have a 9-11 commission, and they finally succumbed after 441 days of political pressure.
	People who actually lose loved ones can be very unrelenting, and they discovered it was easier just to make it an orchestrated event and have everyone paid off.
	Have them sign their agreements, and then in addition you had Lt.
	Paul Vance warning that anyone who disputed the official narrative of Sandy Hook would be prosecuted.
	So what we have to ask is, what is the probability on the evidence if you assume that it was fake versus the probability of the evidence if you assume it's real?
	We had a photo sent around the world with a series of states where they rearrange the kids to fake an emergency evacuation.
	There was supposed to be 489 students there, but if you subtract 20, 469, but there were no signs of an evacuation.
	Where we are told it took place.
	Actually, I had an earlier section.
	We can go back to it if you want, because I actually began with the school.
	Or maybe in the version I sent you, you didn't get the last one.
	This is fine.
	Go for it.
	Here's a photograph of the set around the world, right?
	Everyone thought, wow, this is something very emotional.
	String of kids, policewoman.
	But look at that shadow in the foreground, that suspect.
	Go to the next and you'll see it turns out it was a second photograph.
	This is Shannon Hicks.
	She's a Newtown photojournalist.
	Actually took minutes earlier.
	And you'll see there are parents there, their arms are folded, hands in her pocket, casually looking on, while what goes on the policewoman is rearranging the kids to get a better shot.
	So if you go to the next slide, you'll see how it was done.
	You took a little girl with a pink sweater and well I've got an echo just happening I do not know why um let me see somebody else just jumped in yeah there's a lot of weird background noise happening too okay uh try it now Jim okay okay no I'm still getting some you still are huh yeah uh Well, this is such a telling photograph.
	I'm really glad to have a focus on it because you can see the original arrangement in the lower with a little girl in a pink sweater and the short skirt has been replaced by the little boy who's moved up to number one.
	And if you look in between boy number one and boy number two, their parents are casually looking on as we go to the next photograph.
	I refer to this as lounging at a massacre.
	I mean, it's just ridiculous.
	If parents were there, and you have to ask why in the world would they even be there, you have to recognize they would grab their kid and get the hell out of dogs, they wouldn't hang around with their hands in their pockets.
	And why would anyone have called parents to come down during a mass shooting anyway?
	These women are looking awfully nonchalant when a mass shooting is allegedly taking place.
	Yeah, thank you, whoever.
	Now, there was supposed to be an evacuation taking place.
	It wouldn't just have been one string.
	There would have been all these strings if you had 469 students left, but they're not there.
	Take a look at the next slide.
	You see the police actually said an evacuation was taking place at specific locations at specific times.
	Well, lo and behold, we have dash cam footage from those locations and times, and there's nothing there.
	We're told you can't prove a negative, but that's false.
	If you go to your living room and find no signs of the presence of elephant, you can infer that's because there's no elephant there.
	That's a negative.
	If you go to the location and time where the evacuation was supposed to be taking place and find no signs of an evacuation taking place, you can conclude that's because no evacuation was taking place.
	That's a negative, too.
	It turns out these photographs all came from the Connecticut State Police files, as I revealed here.
	Brian Davidson confirmed they removed all the metadata.
	No police force in the world would remove the metadata because that would make it inadmissible in a court of law, but that's a reason they did it.
	They were complicit in a crime and they wanted to cover it up.
	So here you have a CSI, a crime scene vehicle, on the scene with a crime tape that before it occurred... No, you went too fast, Giuseppe.
	I gotta Riven Davidson has mastered the techniques of internet investigation, found the original in the Connecticut State Police files and dated it, taken the late afternoon the evening of 13 December before the event occurred.
	So take a look.
	We got the next one is really the that's an overview of the parking lot at Sandy Hook and what's striking is as I said before all the vehicles are parked facing the building There's no handicapped parking there, which means it couldn't even have been open as a public school.
	No steam or heat rising.
	Those from before, this was actually the cover image for a blog I made out of Brian's work.
	If you turn to the very next photograph, yeah, here's the one I'm talking about, which was in the book.
	William, Alan William Powell first discovered it, but we got a close-up.
	Take a look if you go forward.
	Here you see the Here you can see a string of windows just over the roof, but here you have the vehicle that you've got Wayne Carver leaning against the wall with his arms folded, and the windows are not shot out, so you've got crime scene up, tape up for a crime that is yet to be committed, and we still have background.
	Rebecca She is muted, Jim.
	Go ahead, just one or two more and we'll stop here and take a break.
	Here you can see the contrast between the windows undamaged in the upper left and the damaged Here you have some of the perps figuring out how they're going to do it.
	They actually drilled holes in the aluminum window to simulate bullet holes, but it's ridiculous.
	No shooter would think that was real.
	It's clearly fake.
	They're all 90 degrees to the pane of glass.
	I think there's one more sequence, Giuseppe, if I'm not mistaken.
	Yeah, there's a close-up.
	This is a complete fabrication of what took place, and even from the outside, you can see how all the furniture is pushed up against the wall.
	This can't possibly be an operating school.
	You never have all the furniture brushed up against a wall like that.
	I've got a lot more, but I'm glad to take a break and give Rebecca an opportunity to present her thing.
	Absolutely.
	Rebecca, would you like to, do you want me to add your screen now to the screen?
	Yeah, I just want to say on that school picture, pictures were taken of the school for an entire week, so that could have been a day six or seven where police were moving everything around, collecting.
	I mean, police at one point were collecting body parts out of these rooms.
	So, I mean, they moved stuff around, they were taking trajectories of the bullets.
	And of course if this and and the police the CSP report says it took a week to do so that could have been a day seven day six depending on the detective who took that photo so that's very misleading also I've given lots of evidence to prove that Adam Lanza existed I'll show you a video right now on YouTube of him and then I want to show something else and you know Jim Fetzer says you know is trying to prove a negative
	When there's tons of evidence that there's an elephant in the room and his name is Adam Lanza and I have shown plenty of evidence and I will show more.
	So let me share my screen.
	Now, Rebecca, Art Olivier is here, too.
	Do you want to... Oh, yeah, and I wanted to say, I want to bring in Art, and I just want to say one thing to bring in Art, is that Jim said he's got all these high-credentialed doctorate people that put his book together, and that I'm not as credentialed, and I'm not.
	But you know what?
	Art Olivier was in on early on doing that book.
	And he is well credentialed, and he's very experienced.
	And he did, he researched 9-11 and produced a movie called Operation Terror.
	And when he started to voice his opinion that maybe this was, children really did die, and this was a sacrificial ritual sacrifice, he was summarily exited from the project No One Died at Sandy Hook book compilation.
	So Art Olivier, it's really great to have you here and to back me up in your version.
	He was having some technical difficulties.
	Yeah, there's all kinds of weird background noise that comes on when he comes on.
	Yeah, there's something weird about his tag or something.
	But, okay, let's go instead, Rebecca, to your presentation.
	Let me add your screen.
	There it is.
	Okay, I'm just gonna quickly show...
	Can you see that or no?
	Yep, mm-hmm.
	Okay, so this is Adam Lanza and part of my BitTube channel.
	I was very skilled at this game.
	Had incredible stamina, looks like, and precision with this.
	But yeah, people took videos of him doing it.
	One video down here says they can hear someone saying his name.
	This is, of course, before the event even happened, of course.
	So let's just look at... This is probably the best video here of him doing it.
	You'll see his face.
	Oh yeah, this is just to show you.
	We're just discussing.
	Was he a real person?
	Was he not?
	This is what we know.
	What's out there on YouTube.
	What does the official report say?
	And then I'll get into what I know personally.
	So we'll just watch a little bit of this and I'll fast forward to the end.
	Look at this precision.
	He was a savant.
	Oh, and it also noted that he always wore hoodies, gray hoodies, and khaki cargo pants.
	That was like his signature look.
	And think about his shooting precision possibilities.
	And that he always wore, period.
	He had Asperger's and certain things had to be a certain way with Adam.
	We'll get into what we know of his mental condition later.
	Here he is.
	I mean, he looks like, you know, 120 pound guy, 112 pounds, yeah.
	And here he'll come in a second, face the camera, we'll try and pause it.
	Maybe he did have the capability and precision issue.
	And there he is.
	Bam.
	Attawanza.
	Yeah, before deepfakes, people.
	So, you know, I have to say.
	So, you know, is that CGI?
	Is that messed with?
	Or a deepfake or something?
	I guess it's possible, anything's possible in these days, but it doesn't seem likely.
	This looks like some raw footage someone took on there.
	And there was raw footage as well.
	I know the FBI found he did his own videotapes.
	He spent four to ten hours every day, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, going to the local Danbury Lowe's movie theater.
	People were so impressed by his DDR that they did their own films and put it up about Adam Lanza before he was even this infamous killer, murderous shooter.
	So, you know, you're telling me that this is no evidence, and yet Jim Fetzer can just say, oh, I just don't think he existed.
	I just don't think he did.
	He's a Photoshop compilation.
	And everyone agrees with him when he's trying to prove this big negative with nothing?
	And I want to show you something else, because this goes well beyond just the surface material look at what happened at Sandy Hook.
	We are in a spiritual battle with this COVID horror, and we were in a spiritual battle beginning in 9-11, and we're in a spiritual battle now.
	I noticed something in the police report that was very innocuous seeming, but the Sergeant Bengali said, quote, the window to the door of room 12.
	This is Roeg, who said she put 15 kids and herself in a three by four bathroom.
	He said the window to the door of the hallway was covered on the hallway side with a dark colored paper that was there from a previous lockdown drill.
	This in the three classrooms that were first grade classrooms that were shot up.
	Room 12 was the only one where no kid was killed because Adam Lanzer, whoever the killer or killers were, didn't go in that room even though it was the first room to the left.
	They passed over it.
	They spared it.
	And let me show you, this is Ellie Seaver.
	She lives on my front.
	I'm right on her street right now.
	I knew her mother.
	And this is an interview with Chris Cuomo before he was a big jerk on CNN.
	This is ABC.
	And listen to this girl.
	She says she's a first grader.
	In another article, her mother says that.
	She's a first grader.
	She obviously doesn't have blood all over her and isn't killed, so she was in Roeg's room.
	And let's listen to what she says about what her teacher did and see if it coincides with what Officer Vengali said.
	In this report.
	- Make sure they're safe and then do the unimaginable.
	- What did the teacher do then?
	- Um, she read us some books and we talked about things and we played little games in there.
	- Did you hear any more bad noises?
	- Um, yes.
	- The teachers.
	- Okay, Caitlin Roeg said she took all the students and hid them quickly in a three by four bathroom, which is physically impossible.
	And here's Ellie Seaver, who was in her classroom along with children of other bigwigs in town.
	I know of eight big, well-connected, powerful doctors, lawyers.
	The Reading Police Chief Fuchs had children in that school, was one of them in Caitlin Roeg's room.
	And this room was the only one that was spared and passed over, just like the Passover story of the Bible, because it had a mark, a dark colored paper covering the window of the main hallway door, so no one could see in and no one could see out.
	It was a definite little mark or sign to pass over this room, spare this room and kill all the kids in 8 and 10, rooms 8 and 10.
	So this made me think because this is everything all the evil we see going on all over the world is a front not just to God but all that is good and true and free And there's more to this story of Sandy Hook and Uvalde and 9-11 than what bomb was where and what exploded here and Raspberry Jam and what's, you know, where the, why are the bookcases shoved up against the window?
	We are in a spiritual battle.
	You can look at the numerology, the symbolism, and this is a definite biblical inversion and affront to God and all that is good that goes on in all these events.
	Wow, powerful stuff.
	Let's stop for a second and first Scorpio and then George jump in with questions.
	Sure.
	Okay, you referenced 9-11 a couple different times and 9-11 is proof positive that both the FBI and the police perjure themselves and lie.
	So I just think you need to take that piece off the table because we do know they lie.
	They both helped cover up 9-11.
	But let me ask you this.
	Do you think Gene Rosen is a real person and that his story was an actual real story?
	Because the problem I'm having is if This really did happen.
	Okay, and I believe Adam Lanza existed.
	I think that's actually believable.
	I mean, I think he did.
	But that doesn't prove that he had anything to do with this or that he was the shooter.
	But was Gene Rosen a real person?
	A real Sandy Hook resident?
	And do you believe his story about, you know, taking all the kids to his house and giving them a hug and playing with toys?
	Was that all real?
	Yeah, my friend Sherry here.
	Come here, Sherry.
	I saw Gene Rosen a couple of years ago and he gave me a business card because he's doing services for pets now.
	I saw Gene Rosen a couple of years ago.
	Wait, where am I looking?
	Oh, a couple of years ago.
	And he gave me a business card because he's doing services for pets now.
	Yeah, he's a dog.
	I don't know what his story was, but he is a person.
	Sandy Hook mom, her son was in eighth grade at the time.
	She's the one who gave me the yearbook.
	What did you see that year?
	Yeah, how am I not proof?
	I'm wondering because if everything that she's saying is hearsay, I was there in 2009.
	I can verify that.
	So we know Jim Spencer and crew is wrong about Cheetah.
	He's lying about one thing, and it's that the school was closed that year.
	He's lying about that.
	Or just wrong.
	He's wrong or lying, but he seems very, you know, he doesn't want to be proven wrong on anything.
	And it's okay to be wrong, Jim.
	It's okay.
	The school was open, though, in 2009.
	And if he's not going to at least admit to those type of things, then I can't listen to all of this stuff he's spilling out of his mouth.
	I don't know.
	I admit too.
	I think it's a hoax, but in a different way.
	Kids died.
	There's a grave a hundred yards from here.
	There's a grave for Jesse.
	Who's the kid?
	Jesse Lewis.
	It could have been staged.
	Right behind my house.
	You saw it happen.
	I saw it here.
	It was happening right behind my house.
	We're not saying there aren't stooges and bad people and bad police in town.
	Colgren's bad.
	Freemason in all areas.
	Yes, 9-11.
	Bad apples there.
	But to stay on point, one thing.
	The school was open in 2009.
	I was there.
	So, Jim, you have to concede that point that it was closed in 2008.
	I think you should concede that point now and that Adam Lanza did exist.
	I mean, I could pull my husband in.
	Look, we don't need this whole crowd of cheerers cheerleading for Rebecca.
	No, no, no.
	It's not Rebecca.
	It's me.
	I was there.
	Look, we have the weight of the evidence.
	You can say all you want about Adam Lanza.
	I say that was someone wearing an Adam Lanza mask.
	You're going away from the point.
	One point.
	One point, Jim.
	I was there.
	I think bringing in everyone and the neighbor is ridiculous.
	Okay, well I am in Sandy Hook right now, so I think it's pretty relevant.
	She's, you know, I talk to eyewitnesses that attest to knowing Jean Rosen.
	The woman who said she saw the bloody little girl that day that was neighbors and the teacher said she knows Jean Rosen and she was going to have him do some breastfeeding to her.
	Sitting for now.
	Can we bring Art on or what's going on with Art?
	Let me respond.
	There's been a whole string of nonsense here that I really resent.
	Gene Rosen was a real guy who was doing anti-gun lectures for FEMA before Zandi Hoag.
	Gene Rosen gave a poppycock story, ridiculous, that a bus driver let off a group of kids, depending on the story, four or five or six, that he took them into his house and gave them orange juice and played with stuffed animals and stayed with plussed animals until they calmed down and told him how their teacher was dead.
	Look how absurd that is on the face.
	It is a search.
	Rebecca, I've been respectful of you.
	You be respectful of me.
	Gene Rosen was neither the parent nor the custodian of those students.
	There weren't any buses going in and out of Dickinson Drive.
	It was so clogged you could have got an emergency vehicle in there if you wanted to, and there weren't any.
	There was no surge of EMTs, no string of ambulances.
	They put no medevac helicopters.
	They put out triage time with no bodies that are wounded.
	They didn't let the parents see the kids.
	They identified them on photographs.
	And I think that's because they only existed as photographs, for the most part, when they weren't fake or substitute.
	But Gene Rosen's story is absurd on its face.
	And anyone who believes a bus driver dropped off kids at the home of someone who's neither their parent or custodian really doesn't understand normal human experience.
	Ridiculous.
	And I want to go back.
	Rebecca has claimed That this photograph I had of the SWAT team or the crime scene already there could have been taken at any time.
	No!
	I made the point.
	The streak of windows in Classroom 10 is not shot out.
	They claimed it happened during the event.
	Therefore, it was taken before the event.
	There's proof right there this was a hoax in one photograph.
	Oh, George Hobbs, the fact hunter, this is getting intense.
	Good radio, great debate.
	Your thoughts, sir, and any questions?
	Absolutely.
	Going back to what Scorpio was talking about earlier, and with 2009, even if Jim concedes that it was open in 2009, do we have any solid evidence that the school was open as late as 2000, just even say 2011?
	Do we have that?
	Yeah, I do.
	I have it right here.
	Let me bring it up.
	And then while you're looking that up, remember with that Adam Lanza video?
	We have Hollywood.
	They made 2001 A Space Odyssey in 1968.
	So, you know, I do think Hollywood's capable of making anything to throw us off.
	Sure, but there's lots of online evidence and friends that have given evidence in these reports of things.
	He went by the persona Smiggles online and another one.
	And he would, so I don't have to repeat it because it's all in the reports, but definite evidence there.
	People interviewed that knew him, people online on Reddit and these groups on 4chan or something that knew him.
	This is all evidence.
	He was obsessed with mass killings.
	It had a book about the Amish killing in his house.
	He had all the mass murders charted for the past like 20 years.
	So, I mean, this kid was a nihilist, deeply troubled, proud of the Probably preyed upon by I think it was a pedophile a counselor or something when he was younger and he wanted he thought by killing children He said this I read it to you earlier that he was saving them from a horrendous life on this earth That was he's he was obviously very sick.
	Now.
	Here's the Sandy Hook Elementary School.
	I downloaded this and I had to go to Wayback Machine to capture because it's since been I hidden or something, but, you know, and, and again, this is Sandy Hook Elementary School Handbook from the 2010-11 school year.
	I was just perusing through it too, and it's got all, you know, a lot of the same players we know listed.
	And, you know, this kind of coincides with my friend Sherry's 2009 yearbook where I pointed out Vicky Soto's photo, but also Caitlin Roeg.
	I did a video on that is in there, Sally Cox and others.
	You can see they have everything listed here.
	So what is this all this fake?
	I mean, you're kidding me.
	This is all over the Internet.
	Go on, Deanna Spignola.
	I want to see a hard copy, though.
	I mean, just for my own personal verification.
	And again, I'm not married to the idea that nobody was killed.
	But to me, that's just something on the Internet.
	I want to see a hard copy of that document.
	Then I'll be much more convinced.
	How about a death certificate?
	How about a death certificate?
	Because you guys are holding on to a lot of negatives.
	A lot of negatives.
	I'm not holding on to anything.
	I'm telling you, I'm open to the idea, but you can pull anything off the internet.
	I mean, I want to see a hard copy, that's all.
	That's not asking too much.
	You live in the town, you ought to be able to get a hard copy of it.
	Okay, Scorpio, where did you get the FBI zero death numbers?
	Off the internet, didn't you guys?
	I don't necessarily believe anything the FBI says.
	At all.
	I made that clear at the beginning.
	Okay, fabricated it.
	A FEMA drill was compiled by James Tracy, and Tony Mead slapped that FEMA drill manual together.
	Deanna Spignola proved that on her website.
	I don't even have to.
	Slapped it together?
	Give me a break.
	Okay, fabricated it.
	Fabricated it.
	Let me show you what is fabricated, which is some of the deaths.
	Let me give you an illustration, Noah Posner, just simply, if we can go back to my slide set now.
	Sure.
	Let's pick it up with Noah, and I'll just go through this one case, and it'll be, I think, pretty convincing how they fake the kids at Sandy Hook.
	And I've seen no evidence, by the way, that anyone died.
	Yeah, next slide, next slide, next slide, right.
	Okay, Noah Anomaly using photos to fake a dead six-year-old.
	Kelly noticed Noah looks surprisingly like Michael Vabner, who is supposed to be his older stepbrother.
	Same eyes, eyebrows, mouth, nose, shape of head, ears.
	Larry Rivera created a GIF where you can see Noah turning into Michael.
	He even celebrated his eighth birthday.
	Count the candles with a friend.
	Take a look at this.
	Go for it.
	These are photos that are supposed to be Lenny Posner with little Noah, very photogenic.
	Go to the next.
	This is Michael Vabner putting on about himself.
	He was a student at UConn.
	He graduated.
	He's actually, we'll later find he's taken a career detour.
	I'll talk more about that.
	Go forward.
	Yeah.
	Here you see a lot of the photographs.
	That's Michael, older Michael, and the young Noah, continued just sadly.
	So given that Kelly had this hypothesis, six of us went to work on this, and we found they had the same ears.
	Keep going.
	You'll see they have the same eyes.
	They have the same eyebrows.
	Keep going.
	They have the same shape and size of skull.
	So Larry created a GIF.
	Now, it may or may not play here, but as you can tell, yeah, Noah turns into Michael Vabner.
	I mean, there's no question.
	I've got it many places on my blog.
	Just go there and look for Noah Posner.
	Get this.
	Here's little Noah celebrating his birthday.
	Count the candles.
	Lenny put this up on his website.
	This is little Noah celebrating his eighth birthday.
	Obviously he was not killed at Sandy Hook when he was six years old.
	Eight candles count up.
	That's from Lenny's own website.
	And go to the next and you see Michael Vabner is now doing stand-up comedy in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
	If you're treated this way and you live up and you're supposed to be dead, what have you, you might go on a detour and wind up doing stand-up comedy.
	You can find him featured in Cambridge.
	Wow.
	That's compelling, Jim.
	Rebecca, would you like to present some evidence now?
	Oh, you're muted, Rebecca.
	You're muted.
	Yeah, well, if the... Let me just share here.
	If his video evidence of the ears is anything like the Lenny Urbina avielle richmond evidence where one had a mole and the other didn't and this is on two photos that are supposed to prove they're the same person um i have a big problem with that mole this is lenny urbina they actually look different
	i've seen lots of photos of avielle richmond because i did a story on her father's suicide and i examined a lot of photos um of her they are different little girls not only that again she's got a mole on the upper right lip i Aviel has no mole.
	So Jim's evidence with the ears just then, I don't see any credibility when I show you something like this.
	And there's hoax fodder planted all over, all over this Sandy Hook case.
	And this is the kind of thing I'm talking about.
	When I wrote, children did die at Sandy Hook.
	You can go see this on my New Terminister blog.
	The best lies are mixed with truth.
	There's Obama crying.
	We all know he's a scumbag with Eric Holder.
	We all know there's scumbags on the federal level in the Sandy Hook case, on the state level with Governor Malloy, on the local level with all these stooges that were put in place in government and as crisis actors and a CIA or whatever.
	But they really do kill the children and adults because it's easier to do that, and they slaughter and sacrifice innocent blood.
	It's part of their religion.
	They do that every day on this planet, and they wouldn't blink an eyelash at killing 20 kids.
	Here's Mark Barton hanging out with Biden.
	They talk on the phone all the time, and he founded Sandy Hook Promise.
	He dumped his wife for Nicole Hockley, whose son died in the, and they both run Sandy Hook Promise.
	His ex-wife, or maybe they're not divorced, but he left her, still lives in town.
	And she's the mother of Daniel Barton that I showed you playing the drums there.
	I don't think, I think he knew.
	that his little boy was going to be offered up.
	This is what these Satanists do, especially in the entertainment industry.
	I don't think the mother knew.
	This is an inversion in the Bible.
	They do a biblical inversions and a front to God.
	I think a third of the two thirds of the parents, like these actors, David Wheeler, who did this little horrible, stupid two-bit movie in 2001 called Faithful.
	And he holds the gun up to himself.
	But he's very smart.
	He called me after he did the article on Jeremy Richman to see what I knew.
	And I didn't know anything at the time, but he's very intelligent.
	And he's also this two-bit actor.
	I mean, I think that he was holding a gun by the magazine that day.
	And there was also an agent called Aldenburg, William Aldenburg, who looks a lot like him.
	They put both of those guys out there to mix things up.
	They create constant confusion and chaos and put out hoax fodder so we don't know if we're coming and going.
	Here's another suspicious character.
	He got a Grammy a year or two years after his little daughter.
	He probably offered her up.
	Two-thirds of the parents.
	This is a biblical inversion of the fallen angels.
	A third of the parents, Lucifer took a third of the angels with him out of heaven to defy God and rebel against God.
	Well, they inverted that.
	So a third of the parents really did lose a little Baby that day and didn't know it was planned.
	I suspect a good parent is probably not these people.
	This woman, the Kowalskis.
	No big trip to the Grammys or the Oscars with Marie Shriver.
	They went to a little New Jersey playground.
	So some people made a playground in honor of their son.
	Here's the Barden mother.
	I don't think she knows what her husband who dumped her for Nicole Hockley knows.
	That he willingly offered up his child in the sacrifice for a lifetime role in the limelight and hanging out with Joe Biden.
	Cause that's what these Satanists do every time.
	It's an honor.
	They do this in Hollywood all the time.
	To offer up your child for a blood sacrifice ritual is considered the best show, the biggest show of honor.
	And it's, it's, and it shows you're loyal.
	And it's expected.
	So I don't think she knew.
	Now let's look at some of the abhorrent people, the two-thirds of parents that did either get traffic children given to them out of the foster care system and exploited children's network to pose as children.
	I suspect these guys laughing it up with Anderson Cooper had a little child given to them out of the foster care system or offered up their own.
	Newtown is a satanic enclave just like a lot of parts of this country and world.
	Okay, these people here, and let me show you this abhorrent person right here.
	She's the worst of all.
	She mocks Jesus and God all the time with her little candles here.
	She offered up her son, I think, in this.
	That's my theory.
	That's my opinion.
	They're public figures in this, so I can say that without getting sued.
	They're public figures.
	I know that because I used to be a journalist.
	It's an opinion.
	They're public figures.
	She said she mocks God.
	She said every night I would cuddle up next to him and I put my hand up on his shirt over his heart and I would say a prayer.
	Dear Jesus, thank you for this warm body and heartbeat.
	He's such a gift.
	I know you could take him from me at any time, but please don't.
	That's mockery, people!
	They hate God.
	Everything they do is a satanic inversion with embedded numerology as symbolism.
	There's more to these stories than Jim looking at blood splattered and calling it Raspberry Jam and where the furniture was located in the room and how many bullet holes.
	We're in a spiritual battle.
	Look at her little Illuminati sign here hanging out with Maria Shriver.
	She's got a book deal.
	Elizabeth Rom is going to play her in a movie next year.
	You think she cares about her son here that she made a little shrine after that she offered up on the altar?
	Because they sacrifice the innocent blood of children every day?
	It's nothing to these people.
	You think they would pull off Sandy Hook and say, yeah, we we want to push gun control and we want to, you know, push this control by fear agenda, but we can't really kill the kids.
	I mean, that's really bad.
	So we're going to have them live and we're going to have to bribe and mitigate this on a local level and threaten people and give them prizes for the rest of their lives to cover it up.
	No, they just kill them.
	Jim Fetzer is the king of logic and reason.
	So what's easier?
	Look at these people.
	Talk about devil in a blue dress.
	Here's Nicole Hockley, head of San Diego Promise with Daniel Barden, who hangs out with Joe Biden at the White House all the time.
	Dumped his wife for her, and they go to all these shindigs to push San Diego Promise and gun control.
	Two-thirds of the parents knew.
	A third didn't know their kids would be killed that day.
	That's my theory.
	Thank you.
	Scorpio, and then George, your thoughts or questions?
	Yeah, well that's interesting, and I'm open to the idea that these people were satanically sacrificed, but, you know, what bothers me about that video about Adam Loves is he had a hoodie on, and just proving that he exists doesn't prove that he did anything.
	So, But I don't know, if you had to distill out your strongest piece of evidence, not something that your neighbor told you or down the street, your strongest piece of evidence that children were indeed killed, what would that be?
	And I want to ask the same of Jim.
	What is your strongest single one piece of evidence that nobody was killed?
	So Rebecca, give me your strongest piece of evidence because we're getting close to the end here.
	Go ahead.
	You're muted, Rebecca.
	You're muted.
	Personally, it was a Newtown mom in town, not Sherry here, a different one, who found my blog last summer and reached out to me.
	She moved to town in 2016 and her son is in that class.
	He's at Newtown High School now with sophomores.
	That first grade class are now sophomores at Newtown High School.
	He knows three of the boys who were involved in rooms 8 and 10.
	And see, I almost said her name, but my friend said to him, she said, don't ever ask them what happened.
	Cause she suspected she said, but if they ever offer up what happened that day, please tell me what they said.
	She said, and he said that one of the boys who I, I can't say the name, obviously he said the, the, A teacher hit him in the closet.
	The gunman came in.
	The teacher said, they're not here.
	And then he heard a shot and a thump.
	Now that was Soto's room.
	There were only two boys that hid in the closet and lived in Soto's room.
	And I know who that boy was.
	There was another boy who corroborated the whole Caitlin Roeg story and said, our teacher read to us.
	Oh no, he said she went up and covered the window with paper, with dark paper, then sat down and read us a story.
	And I'm like, whoa, because the police report says the window was covered on the outside of the door in the hallway.
	Not to interrupt you, but that's fine, but is there something that you can offer that, like, anyone listening or me could go verify to say, yes, this is real proof that you can look up, you can check?
	Sure, everything I've said in the past two hours and given links to.
	What's that?
	Everything I've said in the past two hours and provided links to, you can go look up.
	It's just stuff that you've heard from other people.
	Including Scorpio eyewitness accounts of people that were there.
	So, you know, you can say, oh, I just don't believe Adam Lanz is a real person.
	Everyone can go, yeah, yeah, he doesn't.
	No, I said I believe he's a real person.
	You know, I'm trying to say, you're trying to say I don't have any evidence, Scorpio.
	I've just presented evidence throughout the past two hours with links, including the same- Yeah, but talking about people you can talk to is evidence.
	I mean, it's interesting, and I'm taking it in, but it's not something I can go verify.
	Who do they interview for court cases and criminal cases?
	Don't they interview people who have eyewitness accounts?
	Is that evidence, Gordon?
	I'm asking you.
	What is that?
	But I'm asking you if you have any other evidence that you could present that someone could look up and check.
	That's all.
	In the last two hours, I've given my evidence and provided links, so I don't really know what you mean by that.
	I've given a lot of evidence.
	Okay, but all I hear on the other side, Scorpia, is speculation that maybe so-and-so didn't exist.
	He's just a Photoshop compilation.
	Or, you know, the school wasn't closed, even though every evidence to the contrary, including a yearbook and a school handbook that's available online, points to the contrary.
	We need to see a hard copy.
	I need to see a hard copy of the 2011 yearbook.
	Then I'll... Just because it's online doesn't, to me, personally, mean anything.
	That's fine, but I'll order it.
	I'll order it now.
	And why don't you aim some of your laser beam... Yeah, where can I order it?
	I'd like to get a copy.
	Can I order one?
	Scorpio, why don't you aim some of your laser beam tough questions at Dr. Fetzer here instead of me?
	No, no, no.
	Where can I order a copy of the 2011 yearbook?
	Well, hey, let me jump in for a second.
	The fact on the research that, George, I believe you cannot order that anymore.
	Isn't that correct?
	Well, on Jostens, you can't order any of the yearbooks, even back to 2006, so they have a statement, please contact us for product availability.
	Well, it's a good thing some of these first graders are going to be turning 18 years old in a year, because I hope to be getting some interviews with them, because of course they're minors now.
	Oh, that would be excellent.
	Okay, but where can I order a copy of the yearbook?
	Well, you can't, Scorpio.
	George just went to the company that produced it and tried to get that ball rolling and he was told... Go ahead, George.
	No, it just says that basically they took all the Sandy Hook Elementary products offline.
	You can't get them.
	I even took a quick look on eBay during the break.
	I didn't see anything.
	If you can get a copy of it, I'd like to see it, and I would like to get a copy of it too, very much, because I'm open to that.
	But Jim, let's get to you.
	What is some concrete evidence that somebody could verify that no children were killed?
	Well, let's go back to that photograph, Giuseppe, of the crime scene vehicle in the parking lot.
	Rebecca suggests it could have been taken at any time, but she's, of course, mistaken about that.
	What could have... It's up, it's up.
	Yeah.
	What?
	Up, up, up.
	Yeah, keep going, keep going.
	Yep.
	One more.
	One more.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	If you can make that larger, that would be good.
	But look, if you want proof, this whole thing was a fraud.
	There it is in a single photograph.
	Because you got this crime scene vehicle present.
	There's crime scene tape up.
	You can see it over the right, the yellow tape.
	You got Wayne Carver in other editions, you know, presentation.
	You can see he is leaning against the wall with his arm folded, awaiting the arrival of his portable mortuary tent.
	Well, Rebecca said it could have been taken at any time during the week, but it cannot.
	Look at that string of windows just above the roof from Classroom 10.
	They're not shot out.
	But after the event, they would be shot out.
	Go down one, and I explained that.
	Here's the proof.
	The whole thing was fabricated.
	Yes.
	You've even got the medical examiner there at the scene at a time in advance of a crime being committed, and the police are already on the scene.
	I can't imagine a more powerful proof.
	Now, what could have been shot at any time is her little dancing Adam Lanza.
	I mean, that's ridiculous.
	That could have been done by anybody wearing the hoodie.
	He's clearly wearing a mask.
	If he didn't have the hoodie, you'd see it's an Anablanza mask.
	Nobody looks like Anablanza, because that was a complete watercolor of a skull to convey a eerie impression, and it's just ridiculous.
	If Rebecca had any evidence That children had actually died, or that were a satanic aspect to it.
	I'd be open-minded to it.
	I spent my whole life teaching students how to evaluate arguments, and how they must adjust their conclusions if they get new evidence, or alternative hypotheses.
	They may have to reject hypotheses they previously accepted, accept hypotheses they previously rejected, or leave others in suspense.
	Just look at this fourfold, before and after, the perps looking what to do with it.
	Drilling holes in the aluminum.
	No one with any experience would claim those were bonafide rifle shots.
	They were fake, phony, as obvious as can be.
	There's a refutation right there, without any doubt.
	And I welcome this.
	I do not know what has driven Rebecca in this direction, but I have found virtually nothing she had to say tonight persuasive.
	If she had some real proof, I'd be open-minded to it.
	And by the way, let me add one more point.
	She claims I only care about people who have credentials.
	Well, that's not true.
	I bring all kinds of people in.
	If they have valuable information, I'd point out.
	She's emphasizing she doesn't have credentials.
	Well, who promoted Rebecca Karnes to the world?
	Jim Fetzer.
	George Hobbs, the fact hunter.
	This is an amazing couple hours.
	Your thoughts and questions, sir.
	Yeah, let me before we, you know, if we come to a crashing end and, you know, we run out of time, I do want to thank Giuseppe and Dave for offering up this time slot tonight.
	This has been tremendous.
	This is great for all of us.
	This is great for Speak Free Radio, and I just want to thank Giuseppe, Dave, and Jim and Rebecca for being so, you've given us like four hours within the last two weeks, and I want to thank you guys for that.
	If I may, can we talk a little bit more about Dr. Wayne Carver?
	Because not only was he I guess besides Robbie Parker's interview, was that not the weirdest interview when he came out there and was stumbling and mumbling?
	What do you guys think about him and does his character support or detract from your stance?
	Whoever would like to go first.
	Yeah, he is highly suspicious and I think he was under a lot of pressure under the gun.
	My suspicion is he was looped into this last minute and told to lie and told what to say like rapid fire last minute right before they pushed him out in front of the mic almost because he was making no sense, making statements like, I hope this doesn't all come crashing down on Newtown's head someday.
	He obviously had inappropriate laughter and stuff, although I've seen him in other court cases and interviews where he does this kind of quirky, kind of antisocial laughter at the wrong time.
	So he's just kind of an odd fellow.
	But I think, yes, you know, to some extent, Malloy had him in his pocket, probably by threats to say and do certain things.
	But But again, I mean, my stance is that the children really were slaughtered.
	Now, where I think he is making up, is lying, is that the wounds, I think there were stab wounds.
	And you know, I, you know, Jim said that I'm not credentialed in some ways, but I have journalistic credentials, I meant like I don't have a doctorate degree, right?
	I'm not credentialed that way.
	But I again, I've worked as a professional journalist, I have a degree in English and journalism, I am credentialed to make these to write what I do, to research what I do, to interview people the way I do.
	And my take on Wayne Carver is that he's hiding knife wounds.
	It's too bad Art Olivier couldn't come on.
	Art Olivier told me he offered to debate Jim that this was a satanic ritual sacrifice, Sandy Hook, and Jim turned him down.
	Jim says to the contrary, but I'd like to get to the bottom of that.
	It's really too bad Art didn't come on.
	I have something to share that shows some satanic elements to the Sandy Hook case, but I don't know if we have time.
	Well, I doubt we do have time, Rebecca, but let me say, regardless of your credentials, I promoted you.
	Whatever your standing, I promote people who have something to say of value, which was true in the past.
	Let me just add, this photograph is devastating proof all by itself.
	In a single photograph, you have proof the whole thing was a hoax and the Sandy Hook The Connecticut State Police were in on it.
	We have the 14 to 16 sworn affidavits.
	They entered through the blowout in the class door.
	It's absurd.
	Let me just say, too, that as far as Wayne Carver is concerned, I actually participated in a video deposition with Wayne Carver.
	And I showed him one of the four different versions of the death certificate.
	I think I showed him all four I had at the time for Noah Bosner.
	He reacted to one of the death certificates like a vampire to a cross.
	He said he had no idea what that was.
	I have him on video.
	What that means is even the medical examiner of Connecticut was appalled by one of the death certificates in my case and thought it was an obvious fraud.
	He had no idea what it was.
	Wayne Carver was indispensable to making this plausible to the American people as a state medical examiner, but I'm sorry to say he participated as a blunder.
	It was a great colossal mistake.
	If you want to refer to, you know, second-hand stories, we have reports from Las Vegas that gamblers ran into Wayne Carver there and were asking him about Sandy Hook and he acknowledged to them it was just a drill, which of course is exactly what Paul Preston was told by his contacts in the Obama Department of Education.
	It was just a drill and no children was harmed.
	It was done to promote gun control.
	From the Obama Department of Education, that's as close as we're going to get to a confession.
	This was a Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Eric Holder op, and the Connecticut police were running it behind the scene.
	If you have any doubt about it, just notice they've destroyed all the metadata from all their photographs.
	That would be absurd unless they wanted to conceal their complicity in this dastardly deception of the American people.
	Well, Jim, that's a pretty good penultimate closing statement.
	So, Rebecca, let's have you make a penultimate closing statement, then Scorpio and George will jump in, and then we'll have everybody do closing statements.
	And we've got to keep it brief.
	We're about seven minutes until the end of the show.
	Seven and a half.
	Yeah, thanks to everyone just echoing what George said for having me on and it's great to be here with all of you on this platform and live.
	So that's great on Speak Free Radio and on Perfect Triangle.
	Thanks so much to everyone for inviting me on and presenting my case as I see it.
	That yes, on its foundation, Sandy Hook was a pre-planned fake event because things were put in place and there was bad apples and horrible evil people in place.
	to set this up ahead of time, but they really did kill children and teachers.
	It's easier that way, and I do believe there's a satanic inversion, sacrificial inversion going on here.
	It's an affront to God, and it's a front really to mankind and all that is good and true and pure and free about life and especially about America and this whole world and how we should live.
	I just will briefly say in this report I was going to show in room eight, all of the children, all 15 children were slaughtered, and then the other five children were killed in room 10, but they were stacked, it says here in Bengali's report, like sardines, methodically stacked in the little bathroom.
	And for some reason here it says the victims on top of the pile redacted and many of the bodies had injuries that were obviously fatal.
	That's very suspicious when descriptions of wounds and what the mainstream narrative says is a gunshot kind of lone gunman gun shooting case.
	Why are they redacting the wounds?
	And you know, then we have a teacher up here who's laying across all of the methodically stacked, tightly packed, like sardines, 15 children in that little three by four bathroom, like a shape of a cross.
	It says an adult victim was laying across the massive bodies.
	Another satanic ritual sacrifice indicator that all of this is an affront to God and an aversion of what's good and true and biblical.
	Yeah.
	Thank you to everyone.
	Scorpio, your final thoughts, and then George Hobbs, the fact hunter.
	Well, I want to thank Rebecca for coming on and Jim.
	And Lily, one of the listeners who I kind of know personally, she knows Deanna Spingola.
	I would love to see a copy of Deanna's book.
	And also I'd like to extend an open invitation for her to come on the show and even possibly debate Jim in the future.
	Or she can come by herself.
	I want to establish the truth.
	And I'm a little agnostic on this.
	I'm not 100% convinced.
	from either side, to be honest.
	But I do appreciate you coming on.
	And you do have a unique perspective, actually, being from Newtown.
	And so I do appreciate that.
	And I appreciate your willingness to come on and, you know, have a respectful and reasonable debate.
	So thank you.
	Thank you.
	George Hobbs.
	And, yes, I'd like you to interject any time.
	Deanna Spignola wants to come on again.
	Jim Fetzer, Art Olivier.
	I mean, getting to the bottom of this will really take away the shroud of deceit with so many of the alleged mass shootings today.
	This is a standard operating phenomenon where You know, you guys have done a great job on both sides of looking at all the suspect information and one thing I know for sure is the official narrative is not correct.
	So, George Hobbs, the Facts Hunter, your final thoughts?
	Yeah, you made a great remark like Manly P. Hall once said, right?
	When people realize the numbers and the symbols, a great veil will fall.
	And there's interesting something I just came upon.
	My wife says I'm a fountain of useless information.
	If you look at the date between September 11, 2001 and December 14, 2012, it's exactly 4,112 days, which equals 11 years, 3 months, and 3 days.
	I just thought that was very interesting.
	Again, thank you guys all for everything.
	This has been tremendous.
	I do believe both of you speak with conviction.
	And again, we got to get to the bottom of these things and World Trade Center 9-11 to hold, not only that, to hold the people accountable so this doesn't happen again.
	Okay, final statements.
	Please keep each one to a minute.
	Jim, why don't you go first?
	Well, if anyone thought what Rebecca was reading sounded like fiction, that's because it was fiction.
	Brian Davidson has got into the records of the Connecticut State Police.
	They have photographs all over the school.
	There's not a speck of blood.
	There's not a single gunshot wound.
	There are no bodies anywhere.
	Rebecca, I'm sorry to say, has been played.
	She has allowed herself to indulge in a fantasy.
	We have seen nothing this evening.
	Other than her sincere sentiments that would substantiate the idea there was anything satanic or that any kids died at Sandy Hook, I guarantee you 100%.
	When the Obama Department of Education told Paul Preston it had just been a drill, no kids had been harmed, it was done to promote gun control, they said it exactly right.
	Period.
	Thank you Jim.
	Rebecca, your final statement?
	Yeah, well, Sandy Hook was certainly carried out and pre-planned and put forth to create, to tamp down the Second Amendment and take away our guns.
	And it was also a control by fear agenda.
	Parents, everyone in America and in the world were scared to send their kids to school.
	They shot right at the heart towards little children, which they knew would be easy to manipulate our emotions.
	It was very effective.
	And we see that going on with the Uvalde shootings.
	Even now, I would just ask people to look at the higher level spiritual stuff going on, especially with the satanic inversion in front of God aspects.
	Yeah, thank you for having me on.
	Thank you, Rebecca Karnes.
	Thank you, Jim Fetzer.
	Thank you, George Hobbs.
	Thank you, David Scorpio.
	Tune in tomorrow for Operation Scorpio with Dr. E. Michael Jones.
	This was fantastic.
	God bless you all, and good night.
	Yeah, God bless.

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