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The Raw Deal (14 January 2022) with Erik Olsen
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This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal, where we have lots of developments on the national scene, and we have a guest today who's running for national office for the Congress of the United States from Wisconsin.
I'm very much looking forward to getting his take on these issues.
He has a background as an attorney, and these issues are very much legal issues.
We have, of course, a Supreme Court halting the Biden COVID-19 vaccine mandate for businesses.
This was the OSHA mandate for companies that had 100 or more employees.
Well, it was very curious and dubious that, in fact, OSHA had the authority to do this.
Previous courts went back and forth, the Fifth Circuit, the Sixth Circuit.
It came before the Supreme Court, unsurprisingly, and they voted six to three against it.
This is after months of public appeals for Americans to be vaccinated, according to one report, which has killed more than 845,000 people in the US.
Biden announced he was making vaccinations compulsory at companies that employ 100 workers or more.
Well, there are lots of questions about those statistics because it appears that COVID pandemic is fake, but that the VAX is real and that the overwhelming number of those who are dying or suffering ill effects are suffering from the VAX, not because of the pandemic, not because of COVID.
On the other hand, we have this very fine decision from the court, which appears to be completely warranted that OSHA did not have the mandate.
Some of the Supreme Court's report about it.
Although Congress has indisputably given OSHA the power to regulate occupational dangers,
it has not given that agency the power to regulate public health more broadly.
Requiring the vaccination of 84 million Americans selected simply because they work for employers
with more than 100 employees certainly falls into the latter category.
Now, the three liberal justices dissented, unsurprisingly, but where they'd shown themselves to be massively ignorant of the facts of the matter.
Justice Breyer, for example, declaring that 750 million Americans were suffering from COVID When the population of the US is only closer to half of that, around 330 to 350, so he was way off base.
And then Justice Sotomayor went through a whole string of claims about COVID, the threatened children, the number who are ill, the Omicron and all that, which were all provably false.
So it's very telling.
The court doesn't seem to have a handle on the threat posed by the VAX because they did go ahead where to Justice Roberts and Kavanaugh joined with the three liberals in a five to two decision to upheld the health worker mandate that those who work in health care facilities which receive federal funding are going to be required to take the VAX.
They believe this is to promote the safety of their patients, but in fact the situation is quite the opposite.
We've discussed this many times on the show here.
I won't review all the statistics, but it's pretty easy to find out what's going on when you take a serious look at it.
I have a lot of Programs, including a David Martin, a brilliant explanation on my whip shoot channel, Jim Fetzer, for those who want to follow up.
Meanwhile, Biden, I mean, now this is the guy, the president of the United States who's taken an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution and the rule of law is telling states to ignore the Supreme Court ruling and go ahead and impose VAX mandates anyway.
In a crushing blow to his pandemic response, Biden urged businesses to impose vaccine mandates on their own and urged states to do the right thing after the Supreme Court blocked his sweeping rules on private companies.
If you know the truth about the matter, however, it would not be doing the right thing to insist that anyone take the vax once you understand the skyrocketing death rate since the vac was introduced.
Remember, I've reported.
The World Health Organization, and this data is now several weeks old, had over 2 million adverse effects reports in its database.
I'm sure that number is probably closer to 3 today, but in contrast with the year before, there were only 2,000.
You know from two or two hundred thousand, which was already extraordinary, a great increase in the past when the numbers have been virtually zero.
We're talking about a thousand fold increase in deaths in a single year between 2020 and 2025.
The high court has permitted an employee vaccine mandated health care centers receiving federal funds to go into effect.
27 states had petitioned the court to issue a stay on the rule while it is battled out in the judicial series.
Biden thus has suffered a series of setbacks in the past 48 hours, and he has not Being able to win Democrat support to throw in the filibuster and pass a voting rights legislation which would make it far easier on a national level to steal elections just as they did in 2020.
According to a Quinnipiac poll, for example, his approval rating has plummeted to a dismal 33%.
The inflation rate has reached the highest point in 40 years after an increase of 7% in December.
The conservative justices argued Biden's rule would have overstepped the bounds of the law and put a significant burden on everyday life and health of 84 million workers, a number they claim is very large.
But of course, they didn't have the authority to do it.
So I believe that even the conservative justices are, in fact, not well informed about the effects of the vaccine and that they would have hesitated, hesitated, To approve the VAX mandate for health workers, especially where the problem has been that so many have left their positions or been fired or quit because they don't want to take the VAX.
And when you stop and think about it, they don't want to take the VAX because unlike the justices of the Supreme Court, they know the danger the VAX poses.
With not only numbers of deaths that I now conjecture based on the adverse events reporting system for the CDC, which only records a single 1% of all the cases, if you consider it's only 1% the number of deaths, they run as much, in my opinion, as 15 million who have died.
And while they're claiming these are COVID deaths, it's becoming increasingly clear, and we're even getting new reports now, that they're not dying from COVID, they're dying from comorbidities or the effects of the shot, which is unsurprising, but which the government is seeking to suppress.
Meanwhile, Kyrsten Sinema has obliterated any hope the Democrats may have had to end the filibuster this year.
Essentially, the Democrats wanted to, in the name of voting rights, in the name of democracy, in the name of everything Americans hold sacred about the United States, that they had to have this voting right reform that would require mail-in balloting across the nation, where we know mail-in balloting was the key to stealing the election in many, many states this past 2020 campaign and where California even introduced a novel technique where you could print your own ballot at home in order to save Newsom, Gavin Newsom, the gruesome Newsom from being recalled.
I believe had the vote been legit, he would have been recalled and that the candidate most likely to have assumed office would have been Larry Elder.
A black, you know, political commentator, radio host, and all that.
Not that Elder is flawless, but that Newsom is so corrupt.
I mean, included among his recent achievements were taking the greatest, the two largest reservoirs in California, which were at record high levels.
And emptying them into the Pacific Ocean.
There was sufficient water there to sustain a five year drought in Southern California, but it appears to be part and parcel of the effort to decimate the population of the United States that they want to deprive us ultimately of food and use starvation, the major mechanism where we know Deagle has been projecting the U.S.
population is going to drop.
From 330 million in 2020 to only 65 million in 2025, a diminution of 265 million.
These are your neighbors, my friends.
These are your relatives.
These are members of your own family.
You cannot have that kind of devastation and not expect that you yourself are going to be affected thereby.
So the medical staff had good reason to avoid the jab, and I'm very, very troubled that now imposing it is going to further decimate.
I mean, look, pilots are dropping dead.
We have world class athletes dropping dead on the soccer field.
We have celebrities, Betty White, for example, a recent example, who just announced about having a birthday.
She was in great health and she just got her booster shot.
And the next thing we know, Betty White is dead.
This is happening all over the country, but it's been massively suppressed because the mainstream media will not fulfill its historic and traditional obligation to the American people to sort out the difference between the true and the false in government positions and events taking place in the United States.
It's just a disgrace.
Meanwhile, if they aren't going to get their way with voting rights, they're going to have to confront 2022 without the benefit of mail-in voting, without being able to corrupt the election in advance, and where now so much is going on in terms of the individual states, scrutinizing the methods that were used in the past, including here in Wisconsin, but also Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona.
They're turning up massive evidence of election fraud, and I'm quite confident they're not going to be able to get away with it again.
That means the Democrats are desperate to find a way to salvage their party, which is self-immolating as effectively as a Buddhist monk protesting the Vietnam War.
It's taking place before our very eyes.
Not only are Biden's numbers in the toilet, Harris, Kamala, also known as Mattress Harris, is also in the even lower numbers than Biden.
Anyone who thinks she could be a viable candidate for president, even the members of her own staff are abandoning ship on the right and on the left.
I mean, the Democrats put themselves in a real predicament.
Because when you put together everything else that's going on, we got soaring inflation, we got millions coming across the southern border, we got the supply problems, unloading the cargo ships, we got the botched withdrawal from Vietnam, we got making America energy dependent on foreign sources.
Again, remember, the very first act this guy made when he entered the office was to cancel the XL pipeline.
Among Trump's remarkable accomplishments was getting the country back on a sound economic footing, clamping down on the southern border.
So that even minorities who are working the lowest paid wage earning job found their wages rising at the highest rate because clamping down at the border precluded these new immigrants coming in and being willing to work for even low wages and fewer benefits, which are scarce enough, such that we knew by 2019, Erasmus and Poll showed 40% of black likely voters were planning to support Trump.
Well, They're going down big time.
We see signs everywhere, not only in the polls, but in the actual voting, where Virginia was a calamity for the Democrats, even though Terry McAuliffe was running to become governor again.
He's a buddy of Hillary.
You know that.
The Democrats are going all out to keep McAuliffe in office.
But because his only campaign slogans really were trashing Trump, whose name wasn't even on the ballot.
And denying parents any role in what their children are taught in the public schools, which was another catastrophic aspect of this, where the Democrats continue to promote critical race theory, which the country is repulsed by and rejecting on a massive scale.
We had the Republicans elect not only a white governor, but a black woman lieutenant governor and an Hispanic attorney general.
Now that's diversity.
But the Democrats will only praise diversity when it benefits the Democrats.
They would never acknowledge that the Republicans had done anything right, that were anything legitimate about a Republican sweep such as we had in Virginia.
We now have just had the mayor of Columbia, South Carolina, a state that Biden allegedly carried by 30 points where a Democrat has been mayor of Columbia for the last 30 years replaced by a Republican.
That's another sign.
And this is when the Democrats had an overwhelming in excess of 100,000 majority of unregistered voters.
This is a sign that people are fed up or sick and tired of it.
Meanwhile, Kristen Sinema, Arizona Democrat, drove the final nail into the coffin of Democrat ambitions to overhaul U.S.
elections this year, declaring in a memorable speech she will not now or ever vote with her party to end the Senate 60-vote filibuster requirement.
Restating her commitment to support the three-fifths vote requirement to end debate and pass legislation, the Democrat accused both her own party and Republicans of equally contributing to a spiraling division that prevents Congress from debate and compromise.
And we know that as long as Nancy Pelosi is Speaker and Chuck Schumer is the majority leader in the Senate, It's going to be very troublesome for the American people to get any legislation passed that actually benefits them.
The immediate political ramifications include that President Biden and Majority Leader Schumer can no longer pretend an upcoming vote to end the ballot buster and pass the so-called Freedom to Vote Act will matter.
With continued Republican opposition to that bill and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, without Sinema's support to him, the filibuster, the bills are dead in the 50-50 Senate.
Nothing Democrats can do about it.
And of course, adding insult to injury, Joe Manchin, who's been heroic in standing up against the Build Back Better boondoggle, told reporters Sinema's speech was very good, excellent.
He too, of course, is opposing.
Doing away with a filibuster.
The situation, as I mentioned, in South Carolina is really quite fascinating.
Former Columbus, South Carolina City Councilman Daniel Rickman was sworn in as the city's new Republican-backed mayor on January 4th after defeating Tamela Isaac Devine, a candidate endorsed by former President Barack Obama, who's also losing his standing and his clout.
Both Obama And Oprah, by the way, had reached out to Manchin to try to persuade him to support the Build Back Better, but Manchin is having none of it.
Meanwhile, in another legal development, a court rules that Pennsylvania's Senate investigation of the 2020 election results in the state will move forward despite RINO's Democrats and Dominion voting machines protesting the effort.
The Pennsylvania court declined to block an entire subpoena to state election officials in what Republican state lawmakers call a forensic investigation of 2020's presidential election, fueled by former President Donald Trump's claims that Democrats stole the election.
Well, you don't have to count on Trump's claims.
The evidence is there.
It's presented massively.
And I'm terribly disturbed by the fact that the Supreme Court stained itself, in my opinion, indelibly and permanently by not accepting the Texas challenge to the way in which the electors were selected in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin in violation of their own state statutes and protocols.
And by the way, I also believe that this effort to federalize elections would entail changes to the Constitution and therefore, in my opinion, could not possibly have been constitutional as the Democrats were proposing.
You can't just pass laws that violate the Constitution itself in terms of how the State electors are selected by each of the states at the federal level and do it in a manner that's consistent with the Constitution.
You're essentially amending the Constitution without going through the proper process for its emendation.
So there we have another reason why I believe this would not have panned out.
Meanwhile, the battle against CRT continues unabated.
We have an Illinois teacher who's taken risks to expose CRT in public schools.
Frank McCormick, a high school history teacher and Democrat leaning a Chicago suburb, has voiced his views about critical race theory at his school district for six months.
With a mental toll, he's been badgered and harassed by his own school district.
His own system has worn him down.
He realized the loneliness, personal attacks from all directions, and constant fear of losing his job are the very things keeping others quiet about the issue, including at one time himself.
When the burden was such, he wanted to simply shut up and give up.
A small group of like-minded teachers and other parts of the country carried him through. There is nothing
of value that does not come at a cost, even if my career at the district ended, it would have
ended with me trying to do something right, McCormick told the Epoch Times, which by the way, I
recommend is a simply excellent outlet if you're looking on the internet.
The Epoch Times is a wonderful place to go for very authentic news, as well, of course, as our Need to Know news series presented on a daily basis, which you can find at BitChute channel Jim Fetzer once again.
We're doing daily reports, not only the three weekly shows here, The Raw Deal on Monday, The Event, Combining with the Golden Triangle with Giuseppe and Scorpio and then the Raw deal again on Friday.
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McCormick wanted to know where the ideologies about systemic racism had originated.
He was very troubled that students were being taught to view the world through the lens of race and conflict, where, of course, by the standards of critical race theory, the United States is a systemically race nation divided into the oppressors and the oppressed, where the oppressors are the whites and the oppressed are everybody else.
To McCormick's knowledge, CRT race rests on two foundations.
Racism is the norm in America, and that almost all American institutions, including public schools, are inherently racist.
You begin to get a sense of why the voters in Virginia, the parents in Virginia, were outraged about the teaching of critical race theory, where Terry McAuliffe arrogantly and maybe sincerely, but if so, then ignorantly Claim critical race theory was not being taught in the public schools of Virginia.
So far as I am able to discern, critical race theory is being taught in virtually every public school in America.
It's an extremely important issue where parents and politicians need to take a stand.
From what I've seen, when people buy into these ideologies, he observes, they become very consumed by them.
It's almost like a religious system.
When our young people are taught these things as truth, they lose the ability to question.
The Socratic method of questioning was something McCormick always wanted to pass on to students since he began as a public school teacher in 2010.
And of course, I devoted 35 years of my entire professional career to offering courses in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning at the university level, and as I would explain to my students, If they come to college to take only one course, this was the course they ought to take because it would enable them to exercise their own critical thinking ability and sort out issues where we're being massively played again and again by our government, which is very important to guard yourself against.
So hopefully, you know, we can get back to the point where the public is less affected by propaganda, though it may be a long time in coming, given that television is the most effective device for brainwashing ever designed by the hand of man.
And most American families are having a hard enough time putting food on the table and keeping a roof over their head so that, in fact, when they hear sound bites from several different directions, why, you know, say CNN and NBC, they're inclined to assume they're both reporting because they're independent agencies and what they're reporting, since it converges, must be the truth.
Sad to say, it's an elementary fallacy.
A policy known as popular beliefs that even when most people believe something that does not make it true, even if most believe the vaccines are safe and effective, for example, that does not make it true, even though it may have been the case at one point in the history of the planet Earth that most people thought Earth was flat.
Again, that does not make it true.
Meanwhile, House Republicans are seeking to block the D.C., the District of Columbia vaccine and mask mandates, where Mayor Browser's mandates requiring proof of vaccination as well as masks to enter any indoor Washington, D.C.
facility are going into effect tomorrow.
But 20 House Republicans have co-sponsored a bill to block it.
Representative Matt Gaetz, for example, introduced a one-page bill denouncing the unconstitutional order imposed on businesses and patrons and saying it shall have no force or effect.
This bill serves as a direct response to D.C.
Mayor Mario Browser's unconstitutional order for businesses and other establishments to enforce proof of vaccine for entry beginning January Let us hope it does not happen, but there are many jurisdictions, many districts, many political entities where they're promoting it.
Including out in California where Newsom is now announcing Operation Omicron Offensive to include door-to-door visits, taking over local media to fight misinformation, which of course they define as anything with which they disagree.
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He earned his law degree from the University of Wisconsin School of Law.
He's running for Congress right here in Wisconsin.
There are many, many legal issues involved today.
I'm delighted.
To welcome Eric Olson to the Raw Deal.
Eric, Eric, I'm so glad you're here today.
Welcome to the show.
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
I'm here, and I'm sure it will be an interesting conversation.
Well, let's begin with some of those national issues, since running for Congress, unquestionably, you're dealing with them.
How about the Supreme Court, the two different outcomes here, the 6-3 defeating the OSHA mandate versus the 5-4 where Justice Roberts and Kavanaugh switched aside with the liberals on the mandate for health workers.
What is your assessment of those two rulings?
You know, I think that the Supreme Court, uh, you know, they often say that the Supreme Court is infallible because it is final.
Um, and it is the final word on a lot of things.
So certainly things can be relooked at.
Uh, I think they probably tried to balance, um, ideas about what might be reasonable to require of somebody who's in the health Profession with something that I would agree with, which is the fundamental emphasis on individual freedom for everybody or mostly everybody as much as possible.
So I don't know if that's exactly what you wanted to hear, but I guess I kind of think that as far as not upholding the mandates for most everybody, they got it right.
What's your take on the healthcare mandate requiring the healthcare workers, I mean, they have been avoiding the vaccine, willing to lose their job because they know there's something wrong here.
I'm very troubled that the court would override their freedom of choice.
And what happened to the Democrat position about my body, my choice, which we've heard about abortion forever.
Now, when it comes to the Vax, no longer my body, my choice, my body, government's choice.
Eric, I think that's a huge issue to use against the Democrats for their hypocrisy, insincerity, Well, I think that you, I listened to your, um, your introduction.
Um, and I also did, uh, I also do find it troubling in some ways because I think that there are people out there who work in healthcare who are deeply Dedicated to healthcare and to curing others, and they take that role very seriously, but some of them have misgivings about the vaccine for a variety of reasons.
Some of them have religious, deeply held religious beliefs that preclude them from allowing themselves to be forced into it.
You see what I'm saying?
So, I find it very troubling.
On the other hand, something that you said during the introduction was that we are in a situation where the press has largely failed at what you termed its historical and traditional function of informing the American public of the facts.
You said that, right?
Yes, yes I did.
Seen a situation here where this virus, this pandemic, this situation, whatever you want to call it, whatever word you want to use to refer to it, has spiraled from a health crisis into a national crisis, into a political, a highly politically charged space, really.
So the problem is we're not really, I don't think that anybody I can guarantee you, Eric, we're getting 100% false about the virus and the pandemic.
intellectually honest, has to say that they're not sure whether we are getting the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth from the media about what's going on.
Would you agree with that?
I can guarantee you, Eric, we're getting 100% false about the virus and the pandemic.
I mean, let me just pick out a couple of specific points.
Well, OK, but let me just finish my thought here, is that the
There's an old saying, bad facts make bad law.
That's something that lawyers always say, and to some degree it's true.
To a very great degree it's true, because courts are supposed to make decisions based on facts and the application of law.
So right now we're in a situation Where I can almost guarantee you that years from now, some number of years, I don't know how many, hopefully very few, we're as a society, hopefully as a continued free and open society where people are free to say what they want to say and think what they want to think and debate things and report everything, are going to look back on this and say, what a mistake we all made.
in not seeing things clearly as they were and responding accordingly.
And I think I don't want to criticize the Supreme Court because they may very well be doing the best they could in
a situation where nobody can seem to get the straight story about what's
going on.
Well, I mentioned, for example, how the World Health Organization have adverse effects database, which
at the time I took this particular screen capture had 2,185,000 2,254, 2019 only 82, 2018 29 before that 211.
2,543 adverse effects for 2021 compared to for 2020.
2,254, 2019 only 82, 2018 29 before that 211.
In other words, we've had a huge increase in adverse effects since the VAX was introduced.
You look at it as a hockey stick on its side, right up to the point where the VAX was introduced.
It's basically a flat line, and now we have skyrocketing effects.
They include a whole host of problems, blood and lymphatic system disorders, cardiac disorders, congenital familial genetic disorders here in labyrinthine, endocrine eye disorders, gastrointestinal immune system, I mean the list goes on and on.
This is all publicly available data, Eric, and yet the mainstream is not reporting it.
They're not even reporting what we got from America One, a major insurance chief executive officer, that's reporting that deaths are up 40% among people ages 18 to 64.
His name, Davidson, said the increase in deaths represent huge, huge numbers, and it's not elderly who are dying, but primarily working people, 18 to 64.
For the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through One America, and what we just saw in the third quarter, we're seeing it continue into the fourth, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic.
Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a one in 200 year catastrophe would be a 10% increase over pre-pandemic, so 40% is just unheard of.
Now, we're not only not learning that from the press, but they're not even telling us that because this vaccine is experimental.
It's only authorized on an experimental basis.
Virtually all of these life insurance policies, health insurance policies do not cover.
They do not cover experimental procedures.
Not only that, but there are worldwide international guidelines known as the Nuremberg Code.
For research, including that voluntary consent is essential.
This, Eric, by the way, was adopted by the world community in the wake of World War Two, where Dr. Mengele was performing involuntary medical procedures on prisoners of war who had no choice about it.
So that voluntary consent is essential, which involves explaining all the risks.
As well as the benefits they're from, which they're obviously not doing, also explain whether there are any available alternatives such as HGQ and Ivermectin.
It's turning out now.
HGQ and Ivermectin are not only ideal ways, but had only The CDC advocated Ivermectin and HCQ.
85% or more of the alleged deaths attributed to COVID would have been circumvented.
They would not have happened.
We have many reports, by the way, of hundreds of members of Congress taking Ivermectin, even though Ivermectin is being denied to the public.
In fact, If they'd not gone on a massive campaign to suppress these readily available, virtually completely effective treatments, which have been around in some cases for roughly 60 years, where even in 2005, Virology, the journal of the American Institutes of Health, published a paper about HCQ showing it was a wonder drug, that it would cure it if you had it and prevent it if you didn't.
We're not being given any of that information by the mainstream.
Moreover, the second of the Nuremberg ethical guidelines is the result of any experiment must be for the greater good of society.
Well, the only way you could judge this to be for the greater good of society if you believe we need to undergo a massive depopulation because that's what's taking place.
Human experiment should be based on previous animal.
They've claimed they skipped the animal studies, Eric, but I'm convinced that's untrue.
They tested, but all the animals died.
They didn't want to share that information.
Experiments should be conducted by avoiding physical, mental suffering and injury.
Obviously, that's not taking place.
No experiment should be conducted if it's believed to cause health or disability, death or disability.
Well, in the past, Eric, if you had a handful of deaths from a new product, a medical product or procedure, it would immediately be withdrawn.
But here we're having hundreds of thousands, by my estimate, millions of deaths, and they're Not only not withdrawing, they're going full speed ahead.
The risk should never exceed the benefits.
Obviously, the risks exceed the benefits.
Eric, I'm just profoundly troubled by the total abdication of the mainstream press, and that includes the Wisconsin State Journal, by the way, and it's just, it's appalling.
When I first moved here to Wisconsin after I retired from the Duluth campus of the University of Minnesota in 2005, after that 35-year career, Teaching logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning.
The journals still seem to be a reasonable publication.
We also have the Capital Times.
It's all but disappeared now.
It comes as an insert once a week.
But it's nothing but Democrat propaganda.
I cannot believe.
When I have written to them serious letters about the health risk posed by the masks and the vacs, they will not publish them.
And I tell you, Eric, I know where I speak.
I've been reporting on The vaccine, the pandemic, virtually every single day since March of 2020.
I've done over 500 reports.
Yeah, let me ask you something.
Okay, so it's interesting because you brought up Nuremberg.
Now, when I look on Wikipedia, it states that you're actually, it says, and I hope it's not true, that you're a Holocaust denier.
That can't possibly be right, can it?
Well, everyone who's looked into the matter, Eric, is a Holocaust denier.
That's very peculiar that you should divert with an ad hominem attack when I'm asking you about a serious issue regarding mainstream news reporting.
Six million Jews have not died.
Well, isn't it possible that the reason that the mainstream media doesn't want to publish your letters is because you're a Holocaust denier and they look on the Eric, if you want to get serious about this, I've published 40 books.
I have a lot of distinctions from my scholarship and record.
I've received numerous accolades.
I retired as Distinguished McKnight University Professor at the University of Minnesota.
The second highest rank in the university.
I was in the first 10 that were promoted to that elevated position.
You seem not to understand that Wikipedia, number one, is a Zionist op, and while they're good and reliable about ordinary issues like basic physics or chemistry or what have you, that when it comes
to any political issue, they go out of their way to sabotage.
That my entry in Wikipedia was gutted after I organized and moderated a conference on
academic freedom, Are There Limits to Inquiry, using JFK 9-11 and the Holocaust as examples.
Anyone who looks into the Holocaust can find the whole thing is a sham.
The International Committee on the Red Cross.
So basically, you're an idiot.
Eric, have you ever studied the Holocaust?
Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Do you have any idea?
Millions of people suffered and died under one of the most cruel things to ever happen in human history, and you want to sit there and deny that?
And then you think it's unusual that people don't want to publish the things that you're writing?
That's one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.
Eric, you are really discrediting yourself.
I can't believe you're taking this tack.
How many deaths from all the camps were reported by the International Committee of the Red Cross when they recalibrated their numbers in 1996?
They were keeping meticulous records on the age, the sex, the ethnicity, the religion, the cause of death of everyone in the camps.
How many did they report having died from all the camps in total when they recalibrated their number in 1996?
Somewhere over 6 million.
My God!
296,081, Eric, not a single one of whom died in a gas chamber.
Are you so ignorant you don't know the Lochter Report?
Have you ever heard of Ernst Sondell, who was put on trial for being a Holocaust denier in Germany?
And where during the first trial, the prosecution couldn't produce a single witness who could
testify as to having seen anyone put to death in a gas chamber.
And during the second trial, Fred Lochter, who was the leading expert on gas chambers
in the world, who had gone to Germany and visited the camp, testified there was nothing
there that could have functioned as a gas chamber.
Do you know that?
You're, you know, what you're saying is so, is so ignorant and so utterly wrong and so
out of keeping with history that it's not unsurprising that nobody wants to publish
anything that you say.
Eric, Eric, plenty of people publish what I say.
How could I have 40 books if no one's publishing what I want to say?
There are 40 books that nobody's going to give any credence to because you have such wrong ideas about what happened during World War II and one of the saddest events in human history.
Eric, I obviously gave you far too much credit.
I thought you had a brain in your head.
There are 286,000 references to six million Jews being in dire straits or fear of their loss of their lives in the international press beginning in 1890, all before the Nuremberg Trials even took place.
It's a propaganda thing.
Not only that, but it turns out the number six million was a fabrication.
It was just made up, but it appears to have a theological basis in Leviticus, where there's a disputed passage claiming that the chosen people can return to the promised land only when they're minus six million who have been consumed in the flames, except that required an interpolation because there was no word in the original Hebrew for six million.
What do you know about any of these things, Eric?
You're coming on and attacking me for an area of research where you've done nothing?
Nothing but reading something in Wikipedia?
This is so insulting.
You're discrediting yourself.
Get a grip, man!
Oh, no.
No, I'm not.
No, I'm not.
You're discrediting yourself.
Part of my family is Jewish.
We grew up with people who had lived through those camps and still remember that, and you are a discredit, sir.
I cannot even believe that you would come on air and say these things.
So you know what?
I'll continue the conversation if you want to, because I think that one of the things that needs to happen in this world is people, even when they vehemently disagree on certain things, need to be able to continue a dialogue.
But I wanted to be clear that at least on that point, you and I have to agree to dramatically disagree, deeply, deeply disagree. And
actually, you know, I can say quite frankly that I'm just sad right now that anybody would deny the
suffering that people went through in that event. Eric, there wasn't even anything... That being
said, I think that it is a big mistake these days when people just disengage and don't continue
conversations even with others that they vehemently disagree with.
In fact, what I was going to get to is I think that that, if anything, is one of the things that's most deeply disturbing about our society these days, is that it's fine to disagree with people.
You think I'm an idiot, apparently.
I, at least on that point, think that you're just so far wrong that it's saddening.
Nevertheless, As Americans, we have to talk, and we have to find a way to somehow come together and amend the harms that are occurring in this country when our basic constitutional rights become frayed.
And maybe we can find some common ground on those points, because one of the most... I remember my parents telling me when I was young, and they raised me to believe, and always believe, that the most Beautiful, fundamental, basic right that we have in this country is freedom of speech.
And that even if we vehemently disagree with something that somebody else is saying, they have a right to say it.
Because it's through debate and through the open expression of ideas, even ideas that we find repugnant.
Maybe you find my ideas repugnant.
Maybe I find yours repugnant.
But we, hopefully, can agree that freedom of speech means that we get to express those ideas with some very, very, very limited qualifications.
We have to have the right to express those ideas.
Because what we're seeing today is what I think a very, very disturbing trend of political correctness and cancel culture, where once somebody says something, and sometimes even very well-meaning, Sometimes they're even trying to say something well-meaning, but they did it a little bit wrong, and then they're cancelled, and they're, you know, thrown out of polite society, or whatever you want to say.
So, I don't think that's okay.
I think that our country has flourished and been founded on the idea that people have different ideas, some of which we don't agree with, some of which we strongly dislike, some of which make us sad, and some of which we agree with, and some of which make us happy.
And that we find commonality there, but that at our core values, we can look in the Constitution and we can see the basic rights that we are guaranteed as citizens of this country.
And hopefully, I would hope that every single one of us, no matter what we think about anything, can guarantee we have to keep those rights strong.
We have to keep the playing field of public debate open.
so that we can express these ideas. And what I hear a little bit of your frustration is,
let's get away from the idea that we very, very strongly disagree about.
Maybe you have a point on some of the other stuff. I don't know. I think that there's so much
information out there from so many different directions that it strikes me as very surprising
right now that people would be mandated to do anything, because I think, at least to some degree,
we're largely in the dark. If the shots weren't available yet...
Accommodations would be made, certainly, for those who had different types of, you know, different types of objections, for whatever reason, whether it's religious, whether it's philosophical, whether it's a deeply held belief of some sort that is, that, you know, doesn't quite neatly fit into one of those labels, but it's a deeply held conviction of that individual.
That individual needs to be granted an exemption, needs to be granted a, uh, and, and for those who would like to take these shots, who are convinced or whatever, that's how freedom is supposed to work.
They're supposed to be able to say, listen, I'm convinced, you know, whatever the risks may be, I'm convinced that I'm going to go do it.
And for them, good on them.
So that's how I see the whole thing.
Well, Eric, I'm glad for your willingness to continue to engage.
I'm going to open the lines early so we can get diverse responses from our audience.
The number 540-352-4452.
540-352-4452.
But I got to say, Eric, reading between the lines, what you're saying to me is you appear to know no more about the Vax and whether it's good or bad than you know about the Holocaust.
I'm really troubled about this.
Is the Vax good or is the Vax bad?
And how much have you looked at it?
This is the major issue of public concern in the United States today.
You're running for the United States Congress.
What do you know about the Vax and the pandemic?
Tell us.
Well, what do we know about the Vax and the pandemic?
Well, let's start with the pandemic.
It came in, there seemed to have been a lot of decisions that were made at the beginning that were made without a lot of knowledge.
So, for example, the big shutdowns, the big lockdowns, and these seem to have damaged our economy and damaged our country in ways that we're probably just beginning to see.
You know, there's costs that nobody is really talking about.
A massive increase in deaths from opioid overdoses, loneliness, probably later we're going to see that there was a big uptick in all sorts of other types of Harms, diseases.
So you start to think of, I try to think about things from a cost-benefit standpoint.
At the beginning, I guess we didn't really know what the full danger might be.
So there was a sort of a knee-jerk reaction, I suppose, to take as aggressive a response as might be possible.
But I think over time it became clearer and clearer that at least You know, you can drive around Wisconsin and you can see places where it's been back, kind of back to normal for quite some time.
And other places where... We'll be right back after the break with Eric Olson, who is a candidate for the United States House of Representatives from Wisconsin.
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Well I'm delighted that Eric is hanging around.
Anyone who wants to know my views about the Holocaust, you can find them in the article entitled, The Holocaust Narrative, Politics Trump Science.
And if Eric ever wants to take a look at the argument I give there, which is supported by evidence, he's welcome to do that, and then return to reconsider his position.
He introduced this as a smear against me because he couldn't answer questions I was putting to him as an ad hominem, which I find offensive.
I spent 35 years teaching students to avoid elementary fallacies, and here we have a candidate for Congress committing one.
Meanwhile, we have a caller.
Yeah, thanks for taking my call, Jim.
I would allow you to give me some leeway as I circle my prey here.
Congratulations, Eric.
Well done, you know, going to Wikipedia to try to impeach one of the foremost research voices on The internet.
And you know, Jim, I must commend you.
You were quite gracious in your reaction.
And I don't know, Eric, how much you know about Jim or how many of his shows you listen to.
But you're dealing with one of the most gracious men, in my opinion, in terms of the way he handles callers and disagreements.
And Jim and I have had our share, but we're exactly on the same page in this one.
So just for the fun of it, I'm going to ask a series of questions of your belief on certain events.
They're serious questions.
I want your serious answer.
Just tell me yes or no.
Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Yes.
Okay.
Do you believe that 19 Arab hijackers crashed airplanes into the Twin Towers on 9-11?
Yes.
Okay, Jim, I don't know what else I can say.
You're in the wrong place, Eric.
You need to go somewhere and do your homework.
You're one of these people who believes what's been told.
All you are is an empty vessel.
You've been filled up with propaganda, and you regurgitate your beliefs as if they're your own.
I gotta tell you something right now, brother.
Hitler was one of the greatest men that ever lived.
You need to do your homework.
The Holocaust is a Jew lie committed by the greatest liars and deceivers the world has ever known.
The Jews have been thrown out of over a hundred countries going back 2,000 years for several reasons.
One of the biggest reasons is they tend to destroy the societies in which they live, just like they're doing right now.
What you're witnessing is not politics, it's the Jewish orchestrated destruction of the free world.
That's where I'm coming from, and I know Jim doesn't agree in, shall we say, spirit with every single word I uttered, but he knows the facts of which I speak.
I'll leave it lay for the moment.
Well, sir, as a Jew and as a practicing Buddhist, I pray for you.
Well, you can pray for me all you want.
If I was in power, you'd be in a concentration camp.
I'll tell you that right now.
Sorry.
Well, I'll tell you something.
I think that's a very cruel thing to say, but I think you've shown your true colors.
Let me ask a further extension, since you appear to know so little about the moon landing or 9-11.
Do you believe Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK?
I really have not looked into that whole situation.
You think he didn't?
He was standing in the doorway of the book depository when the motorcade passed by.
So he not only cannot have been the lone demented gunman, he cannot have been one of the multiple assassins who took him out.
I have four books on JFK.
I saw the movie JFK.
That's about the extent of what I know about that.
So you've never read a single book on the assassination, is that right, Eric?
That is true.
Okay.
So, you know, here's the thing.
Listen, bro, to be honest with you, you know, I'm a decent fellow and more than likely if you were my neighbor or friend, we'd probably have, uh, you know, a decent conversation at the coffee shop, but you are woefully uninformed and uneducated.
And the problem is, is people like you wanting to have political office.
I honestly believe the majority of politicians are not so devious.
They're just ignorant.
I mean, I really do think that's a major problem.
Our educational system and our television and dissemination by the media is completely controlled by one group.
Are you familiar with Henry Ford's book, The International Jew, subtitled The World's Foremost Problem, published in 1922?
That's a very cruel thing to bring up, and that's a very cruel book.
You know, listen, I want to tell you, well, because it's wrong.
I'm familiar with the fact that Henry Ford, despite having done some apparently great things as far as industry went, was an anti-Semitic man who hated, would have, just like you, perhaps he would have put me and my family in a concentration camp.
That's not a nice thing to do.
And listen, let me just tell you something.
And this is just from my standpoint.
And it's difficult, in a way, to be in a conversation like this, but on the other hand, in a way, I welcome it because I think that there is goodness in everybody.
And I think that history, when we look at history, history has been, in many ways, dark, and it's often been a bloodbath.
And I think that in this country, our greatest strength is agreeing to disagree, but agreeing to always maintain
freedom of speech.
And I'm trying to show a strong example of that by listening to what you have to say,
listening to what our host has to say, but nevertheless, just, I don't agree with what
you're saying.
Well, it doesn't matter what you agree with or not.
Here's the deal.
Most of the history, the bloodbath that you talk about have been funded by Jewish bankers,
such as the Rothschilds, at least the last couple of hundred years.
Most of the bodies of the Green Guard in Europe, including Jews, are funded by the Rothschilds.
You know, I mean, listen.
It doesn't work.
It's not an argument.
It does because it's not true.
You can't just call people names.
What's that?
Well, it's not true.
What's not true?
Do you know anything about fractional reserve banking?
Look back in history.
Do you know anything about... Okay, let me ask you a question, Eric.
You're a lawyer.
You're an educated guy.
You went to college.
Who wrote the Federal Reserve Act?
I have no idea.
Dude, you're not going to get anywhere trying to... Here's the deal.
Well, listen, listen.
Whoever the caller is, listen.
Paul.
Okay, Paul.
Listen, whoever the caller is, listen, I have...
Paul.
Paul, okay, Paul.
Paul, thank you for calling in and thank you very much for saying that
perhaps if we live next to each other...
You don't have to dismiss me.
Jim will take another caller or Jim will dismiss me when he wants.
That's fine, but let me just finish my sentence.
Let me finish my sentence.
I think what you said about... You did say, first after saying that you would, I suppose if you were in power, put me in a concentration camp, then you said, well, if we live next door to each other, what?
He was being sarcastic.
He was being sarcastic, Eric.
He was being sarcastic.
Well, that didn't sound sarcastic.
It sounded like a threat, but that's fine.
Listen, Eric, Eric, Eric, I so like you're hanging in here and your commitment to freedom of speech, but why did you support The Wisconsin State Journal not publishing letters to the editor from me.
If you have support freedom of speech, you surely ought to have said, even if they disagree with my opinion on whatever ground, and in no case was I addressing the Holocaust in any of those letters, surely you ought to support their having published that.
Are you aware?
Go ahead.
That is actually a very interesting point because In my way of thinking about things, and I think probably in your way of thinking about things, facts and arguments should be looked at on their own merits, without necessarily saying, well, this person said something that, you know.
For example, if you think about Galileo, a great scientist, but at the time, he was going against the conventional wisdom that the Sun revolved around the Earth, instead of vice versa.
And actually the Inquisition came and eventually condemned him for that teaching, which we later all found out was correct.
So how ridiculous would it have been, and I think to some degree this actually happened, if at the time the powers that be said, everything that this person has said is wrong, because he says that the Earth rotates around the Sun and not vice versa, right?
It would have been a fallacy because it would have been saying that just because we disagree with something that this person said, we disagree with the way they see something, we find the way they see something maybe even repugnant to us, that we're not going to listen to anything else that they have to say and dismiss every other single thing on the merits.
So I think each idea needs to be looked at individually on its merits on the basis of facts.
Okay, then why did you say, why did you say then that it's reasonable that Wikipedia, what you got from Wikipedia about Jim, it's reasonable that people would, excuse me, sorry about that, would not want to publish his works because nobody would want to read anything from an idiot.
You called Jim an idiot on the air and you said that it was justified that nobody would publish his works on other things because people wouldn't want to read what a Holocaust denier would say.
Well, you said you wanted to put me and my family in a concentration camp, so I think idiot is probably a soft word.
You said that way before he said that.
What do you got?
This is Scott.
That is the implication.
Let me introduce Scott from San Diego.
Let me introduce Scott from San Diego to join the conversation.
Paul, stay here.
Scott, go ahead.
Join the conversation.
Hey, I just want to commend Eric for hanging in there.
I know some of the people you've had on before that disagreed with your stance, which is staying up.
But I find it interesting.
How did you discover Mr. Fetzer's show, Eric?
How did I discover it, Eric?
How did I find Eric?
Well, yeah.
How did you guys get in contact?
Well, he was recommended to me by our mutual of your friend of mine and Paul Ralph Lindgren, who's very active in politics here in Wisconsin, and he's recommended several candidates for governor.
I featured and he recommended Eric, which I like because he's running for Congress.
So we could expect Eric would be in a position to address issues at the national level.
Whereas those running for governor might or might not.
But that's what happened.
Actually, Mitchell had a favorable impression of Eric from a conversation they had before the show, so I certainly came in with no preconceptions about Eric other than favorable ones.
Scott, go ahead.
Well, let me say, I mean, I don't think, you know, browbeating this guy, you know, for not believing what you're saying about the Holocaust is, I don't think it's constructive.
And, you know, I think what really should move on to more pressing and Scott, Scott, Scott, Scott, Scott, we are.
Listen, I didn't bring up the Holocaust.
That was Eric.
He wanted to smear me because he wasn't happy.
Well, it seemed like he had that loaded and ready to go.
I think he was planning on bringing that up from the beginning.
I don't know.
Eric, was that in your mind before you came on the show, or did you just look that up on the air?
Am I right or wrong?
Believe it or not, I came on to this with no preconceived notions.
I talked to your producer a little before, and there was nothing about this topic brought up.
While you were giving your introduction, I looked you up on Wikipedia,
and I was quite surprised to see that there.
So I thought I had better bring this up because not everything on Wikipedia
is necessarily always true.
And I kind of did not expect to get the answer that I got.
So take it, maybe you think that that's not true.
It is true.
That's what happened.
I take you at face value.
I have no reason to believe or deny anything you say because I don't know you.
So I'm just going by what you're saying.
But I find it curious how, when he brought up JFK, you automatically were hands-off, like, oh, I've never looked into that.
But have you ever investigated any of the Holocaust controversy?
Have you ever looked into any of that with any, like, you know, real objectivity?
Yes.
Yes, I have.
And not only that, but yes.
And also, My mother... I'm a Jew.
My mother's a Jew.
I'm a practicing Buddhist now, but that's my... Okay, you keep falling back on that, dude.
She grew up... Listen, no, no, no, but listen, I'll tell you why.
Because they grew up in New York with people who had survived it.
I've talked to people.
They're gone now.
So you're saying it's all right.
Please, let's move on.
That's a very painful topic.
I was expecting to hear that Wikipedia is wrong, and that's not at all what I said.
Wait a second, Paul.
I'm going to bring you back, Paul.
Just give Eric a chance to finish his thought here.
Go ahead, Eric.
I apologize.
It's painful, and I'll tell you why.
Because it's painful because human suffering is painful.
Another issue that I'm actually very passionate about, which maybe you are, maybe you aren't, is the fact that there's a genocide of Christians going on in the Middle East right now.
I don't know if you knew that, but there's a genocide of Christians going on.
It drops from something like 20 million people.
Well, these are things that I care about.
So maybe you don't care about, maybe you think it's wrong, that's fine.
Maybe we should just go on to another topic, or maybe you want to keep asking me questions about it.
I don't know.
So what do you think of the mask and the distancing guidelines?
Do you think that is beneficial?
Do you think it's stopping any sort of contamination?
I actually really think it isn't stopping very much.
And part of the reason is that here in Wisconsin, we have a situation where in Dane County, there's masking.
And to some degree, there's distancing mandates, okay?
But then, in the other counties, there isn't, right?
And the strong narrative of the mainstream press right now is that masking and distancing is, you know, anywhere from helpful to very helpful, and those who don't want to do it are, you know, somehow not patriotic or not helpful or abdicating their rights.
So what that would lead me to expect was that if there was any sort of a measurable distance, if there was any sort of a measurable, you know, less contagion or something like that here in Dane County, that it would be reported every place.
Dane County sticks with masks and distancing and cases are drastically down or something along those lines.
You see what I'm saying?
We don't have any of that reporting and we don't have any evidence at all I want to get Paul back into the saddle here.
Paul, go ahead.
Dane County where this mandate is in effect, and all of the other surrounding counties in Wisconsin
where it's not in effect.
So I take that as strong evidence that it's not helping anything.
I wanna get Paul back into the saddle here.
Paul, go ahead, your comments to Eric.
Okay.
And by the way, Eric, it's nothing personal, but I got my dander up a little bit in the first hour when it did seem like you were laying in wait.
Now, I take your word that you, on the air, you looked up Jim in Wikipedia and you decided to throw that at him.
But the way you went about it, I felt kind of a little bit like a dog in the backyard wanting to protect my owner.
Paul, he actually looked it up during my first half hour before he was brought on the air.
He was looking up in Wikipedia, where Wikipedia gutted my entry.
I mean, they took out all my research on JFK 9-11, Wellstone, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing.
After I organized and participated in a conference on academic freedom, are there limits to inquiry using JFK 9-11 and the Holocaust as examples?
Frankly, you know, Eric just hasn't done his homework.
He hasn't read any of the literature.
He's taking word-of-mouth reports, a kind of oral history that's been widely discredited by objective scientific research.
The book by Thomas Dalton, Debating the Holocaust, is an excellent source.
Articles by Robert— Yeah, yeah, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, you gotta stop it.
You gotta stop it, man.
It's a massive amount of evidence out there.
Go ahead, Paul.
I was intrigued that Eric agreed that there was a question here as to why the Wisconsin Journal would not publish my letters.
I mean, look, every author of every letter submitted to the Wisconsin State Journal has some view that someone at the Journal could take exception to.
So what is the relevance of that?
It has to do with the content of the letters, which had nothing to do with the Holocaust.
So, this was another case where I have to fault Eric for committing a fallacy.
I wanted him to come out and say, yes, the Wisconsin State Journal should have published your letters if they had, you know, valid content, but they were censoring them because they think they have access to the truth.
I've already explained to Scott, I've done 500 shows on the pandemic and the Vax.
Well, no, I don't know about that.
I think I've done a lot of homework.
I think I have an understanding of what's going on.
to put himself in a position where he can actually influence legislation that would
affect every American, and he has not done his homework.
Now I think that's pretty serious.
Can I ask?
Well, no, I don't know about that.
I think I've done a lot of homework.
I think I have an understanding of what's going on.
I think I have an understanding that it's become heavily politicized, and perhaps that
is the reason that your letter wasn't published.
I don't know.
Perhaps they looked this up and they took it that way.
But the reality is, can I just finish my sentence, is that I think you're probably right, is that they also probably weren't publishing other people's letters that did not fit their narrative.
Were they also not publishing other people's letters that didn't fit their narrative about the pandemic?
For example, even the World Health Organization ultimately said that lockdowns didn't work and lockdowns disproportionately affected people who were poorer and had less resources to, for example, have a different room for their kids to go to school or sufficient savings to just coast for a while.
How about this?
So that was the World Health Organization that said that.
Hang on, Paul.
Go ahead, Paul.
Okay, so just, I mean, there's so many different directions to go.
First of all, why should there be any narrative at all, Eric?
Think about that for a second.
There is indeed a narrative on most things, but shouldn't it be about the science?
Right?
But there's a narrative, and who controls the narrative?
I'm just going to take issue.
It's going to be insulting when I say it, but I don't really mean it to be.
I'm just stating a fact, because you said you think you know what's going on.
No, you have no idea what's going on.
Zero.
I mean, the questions that I ask, I could keep going.
You ever heard of Genghis Yagoda?
You familiar with the Holodomor?
Have you heard of that?
Do you know who Larry Silverstein is?
I mean, I just wonder if I could compile a list of 40 or 50 questions, how many of them you would get right or even heard of.
I mean, this is, and Scott, I'll do respect to my brother Colin from San Diego, but the Holocaust is as relevant as anything.
There's a book called The Hoax of the 20th Century, right?
And that's what the Holocaust was, the hoax of the 20th Century.
I suggest you read the book.
Also, Did Six Million Really Die?
That's another good book about the Holocaust.
I don't know how many books you've read about World War II, Eric, but most people haven't read anything about World War II.
In fact, I heard somebody on air one time say, most people know about as much about World War II as what they've seen on television.
And I found that to be true in my life.
And that's a narrative.
We're taught a narrative about World War II, just like we're taught a narrative about many things, including our own Civil War, including our own Revolutionary War, including our own money system.
Okay, you didn't know who wrote the Federal Reserve Act.
That's a fairly esoteric fact.
But did you know?
The Jewish banking families are creating money out of nothing and loaning it, quote, loaning it to governments at interest, whole face value, by the way.
So if they create in the computer system $100, they say that we, the people, owe them $100 plus interest.
Quite the scam.
And I would imagine you know nothing about the mechanics of that.
And that's what enslaved us all.
That's what enslaved the entire world.
And I would imagine you probably know zero about it, but you want a whole political office.
I find that insulting.
Okay.
Okay.
I know a lot about many of the things that you just brought up.
I've read extensively about World War II.
I've read extensively about the Holocaust.
I've studied it.
There's many, many, many people, not just me, that completely disagree with the positions you're taking.
That being said, there is one thing that you said that I agree with.
Completely.
And that is that we should not be being fed narratives.
We should be getting facts.
As our host said, that the press should fulfill its historical and traditional function of giving us facts and letting us figure out what's going on.
And I see that not happening.
I see it happening where the press, more often than not, on all sides of it, We look at what they're saying, and it's just obviously opinion.
It's opinion from different angles, but it's largely opinion, and it's very light on actual facts.
Hold that thought, Eric.
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My guest today is Eric Olsen, E-R-I-K-O-L-S-E-N, who's an attorney right here in Madison,
Wisconsin, who's running for the House of Representatives.
We have had a number of disagreements here about research I've done on the Holocaust, for example, where Eric suggested that was a good reason why no one should read any of the 40 books I published.
Eric, do you want to reconsider your stance there?
Because your belief in freedom of speech presumably extends to freedom of the press.
And while I haven't broached the issue yet, I'm interested in your opinion if Amazon.com has banned six of the books where I bring together groups of experts to sort out what happened at Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, Orlando and Dallas, Charlottesville, Parkland, even the moon landing.
Would you approve of their banning those books or no?
And, you know, just please give us your more considered thoughts.
Well, first of all, I think that your statement that it was a good idea not to read them, I, as you know, as we've expressed, and I won't go back over this, vehemently disagree with your denial of the Holocaust.
I think that six million people were herded into gas chambers by a monster, were killed, and those people, they deserve the remembrance of what happened.
Similar tragedies going on many places around the globe and it's incumbent upon us today to see what these tragedies are and do everything that we can do to raise awareness of them and to try to give some solace to people who are suffering persecution throughout the world today.
I think that there's always a good reason to read things.
There's always a good reason to read things and that's to see what other people think.
And I think that the truth has to be strong enough on its own Two feet to stand up to whatever types of arguments can be marshaled against it.
So, I hope I didn't give the impression that books should be banned or somehow prohibited.
Because I believe very, very strongly in free speech, in the free circulation of ideas, In open and vigorous debate, and that's why I'm here.
I didn't even realize it was going to be this vigorous of a debate, but it is turned into it.
And whichever of the callers it was who said, thanks for hanging in there, thanks for acknowledging that.
Because it's not easy, but at the end of the day, we're all human and we're all American.
And this country is the greatest thing to ever happen in the history of this world,
at least so long as all of our constitutional freedoms remain fully intact.
Well, all three of us. I'm curious, why is it not easy?
All three of us. Why is it not easy? Hang on a second, Scott.
All three of us compliment you for hanging in here, Eric.
Scott made the observation from San Diego, Paul from California, I hear right here in Oregon, just south of Madison.
We all respect you for hanging in.
The question I have is this consistency of your position of freedom of speech when you suggested, well, perhaps the Wisconsin State Journal hadn't published letters to the editor because of views I have about an issue on which we disagree, which had nothing to do with the letters.
I mean, I thought that was pretty damn strange, and I welcome you to sort it out.
But I think I got the impression that he...
I think it's often true that, right or wrong, the mainstream news sources and maybe all news sources these days, sadly, avoid giving any sort of platform to people who they disagree with.
And I think that's a mistake.
Because this whole thing of deplatforming people Throughout history, it hasn't worked.
It hasn't been a good way to go.
I think there's a real problem there.
I think that if they were doing it, I don't know why they didn't publish your letters.
I don't know what went through their mind or their decision-making process.
It may have been because of that.
That's fair for you to say that, but you basically said that he deserves not to be published.
But we'll leave that, don't we?
We handle that.
I think you're tiptoeing around what exactly it was that you said and how you said it in the first hour.
You basically said that it was justified.
But something that you said... I think I said, are you surprised that they don't publish you?
By the way, thank you for hanging in there, because it's good radio.
We'll say that.
Something that you just said, though, right before you went on your little speech, you I believe.
Okay.
You said, I think that six million Jews were marched into gas chambers by an evil monster.
And it's like, this is not the place you want to come and say anything like that because it's completely ridiculous.
And I would pose the question to you.
Why do you think that?
Think about that for a moment.
I mentioned Henry Ford earlier in the show and his book.
And the reason I brought it up is because at that time, He, along with others, brought up the fact that the Jewish influence over publishing and the press was having a corrosive influence on American culture and American society.
That was back in the 20s.
So everything that you think and see today is basically controlled by these people.
I mentioned Paul Warburg, a German Jew, agent of the Rothschilds, essentially an employee of the Rothschilds, that brought upon this country Our destruction starting in 1913.
OK, and I know it's not you.
You're not part of it.
OK, and the fact that you're half Jewish, this is just, you know, an ethnic or biological fact.
But we have to identify who's doing it to us.
As I'm well known to say, it's not the South Koreans and it's not the Nigerians.
There's one group throughout history that's been named as villains many, many times.
Nation wreckers, culture destroyers.
So on ritual child murderers, ritual child sacrificers.
This is not just some anti-Semitic smear.
This is actual verifiable history been written about.
There's actually stone statuary in Europe depicting ritual child murders because Gentile children have been kidnapped and slowly but surely killed while Jews drank their blood.
You think I'm making this up, but I'm not.
So there's a lot going on here.
Paul, I think Scott's got it right.
From my standpoint, that's all wrong.
That's all false.
And so in my... It's all wrong.
It's just simply completely wrong.
How can you say that though?
Because it's not true.
Many people out there Who are historians who have looked into this, who have taken pictures, there's pictures of the gas chambers, there's pictures of when on, there's accounts, there's everything, there's people who, there's the whole Nuremberg trials, it all happened, so... You're right, you know what, I saw the gas chambers myself when I watched Schindler's List, yeah, they were right there.
Okay, alright, so you think a different version of history occurred, That actually occurred.
And from your vantage point, I think... Most of the camps in Germany were health retreats.
They were spas.
I think the problem is... That's what I think.
Well, listen.
That's the thing about freedom of speech, is that you're going to say that.
I don't think that I'm going to convince you to change your mind on the radio today.
And probably you've picked up that you're not going to convince me to change my mind.
I'll give you a reading list.
Jim and I will compose a reading list.
We'll give you a year.
You can go and knock out some books, then come back on the air.
It's not like Jim and I are uneducated on these issues, right?
There's other callers, there's other listeners to this show that are far more progressed, you know, in terms of what they've actually spent time looking and listening to.
Paul, that's all well and good.
Let me ask Eric a different question, much more contemporary.
What's your assessment of Anthony Fauci, to whom I refer as Tony the Rat, and even of Donald Trump's role in Warp Speed?
Just comment on this whole business, since this is so central to the issues that confront the country today.
I think science should stay out of politics.
I really do.
Mr. Fauci, unfortunately, has waded deep, deep, deep into political waters.
And arguably, there was a very big conflict there to begin with, because it appears now there's more and more documentation that he and this EcoHealth Alliance were somehow involved in some of this research over at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
So, I don't know how closely you followed the whole thing.
Report that actually Ron Johnson did that shed a lot of light on this.
I don't remember the date of it.
You may have read that.
I'm a huge fan of Ron Johnson.
I think he's doing a great job.
I'm very proud he is our senator right here.
I'm very proud of him.
Right.
And there was a committee that he put together and they published an extensive report and it showed that at a minimum, Mr. Fauci, I suppose Dr. Fauci, should have said, I'm sorry, I was involved in this, I am not going to be further involved, because he was involved in some of the research.
I don't think he should have been involved.
I think he should have recused himself.
And I think scientists in general shouldn't be putting their face so much on television and becoming like politicians.
Can I ask a question?
What is your position on climate change?
What is your position on climate change?
How do you feel about CO2 emissions?
I also think climate change is a situation where it's become so heavily politicized
that it's very, very difficult to know what the heck is going on anymore.
And I know that is probably a very unpopular opinion with people on both sides,
because some people think it's not happening.
Some people think it is happening.
Different people think it's happening at different rates.
I find it interesting.
You know that movie that Michael Moore and somebody else with him made, Climate Inc.?
Something like that?
Green Inc.?
Michael Moore has changed his mind about climate change and now thinks it's a scam, even though he previously supported it.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
So when even somebody who previously was a big supporter of it suddenly is coming out and making a movie that essentially kind of debunks it and shows it to be, at least in many ways, an effort to funnel funds and money into projects that aren't really doing anybody any good, I think that that's the epitome of just really a shame.
Do you think CO2 is a problem?
Like it needs to be reduced?
Well, certainly I think that we all appreciate clean air and clean water.
And I mean, you know, what was it in the same day that, I guess from your standpoint, that we didn't land on the moon?
The rivers in Indiana caught on fire.
Wasn't that it?
And that was happening.
It was so polluted.
So, right, and I think that cleaning things up has been a good idea, and I think that, frankly, I think that there's a tremendous amount of hypocrisy in this country where we don't want to approve mines, we don't want to approve different projects, and then what ends up happening is those things get approved in other countries overseas Where they're polluting over there.
And pollution is real.
You know?
I mean, when there's... Well, I think that's it.
But that's a separate... That's separate from CO2 emissions.
Pollution... CO2 emissions.
I think... My position on that is that it's unfortunately impossible to tell what the heck is going on, because just like the situation with the virus, it became so heavily politicized That nobody is open to hearing what the other side has to say, and so we can't get a straight answer out of anybody.
Well, suppose suppose it were the case that there's no correlation between.
The Earth's temperature and the quantity of CO2 available over 600 million years of Earth's existence, that there's no correlation, and that the Earth has gone through periods of warming and cooling, but that CO2 actually cools the Earth in four different ways.
I'm doing a series on climate change right now with Joe Olson, who's a highly qualified, very broadly knowledgeable Engineer who's taken courses in thermodynamics and the like where he's appalled that none of those dealing with these issues in the public domain seem to have the least scientific background and where you can find
There's no correlation at all.
I'll send you a link here because you might even make a difference here.
The argument is so clear that there's no correlation that there can't possibly be a causal relation
between amount of CO2 in the air and the warming.
There's no correlation at all.
They're just wildly independent.
Unlike say vaccination and autism where the more the vaccine, the more autism or smoking
and cancer where of course we know even though there were those powerful correlations, the
industries nevertheless fought tooth and nail to deny there was a causal connection even
though it was rather apparent on its face that there was a causal connection.
So, you know, I just encourage you to take a look deeper into it.
It won't take you one hour.
It won't take you one hour because our first presentation that Joe and I did on this to have all the evidence you need to defeat the climate change movement that is motivating the Green New Deal, which would be catastrophic for our nation by seeking to abolish gas, oil and coal industries on completely specious grounds where anyone who takes a good look is going to be prepared to rebut it, not just offer a rebuttal,
but actually a refutation.
I so appreciate your sticking around, Eric. I'll send you a link to that. I want to come back to
Scott, who may have a further thought. Can I say something in response to that?
Of course. Of course.
I will, I will definitely read what you send and I, I find it, I think it's very, very important, particularly on that issue.
And as on every issue that everybody gets to say what they want to say and debate the way they want to debate.
And we review everything without, um, just looking at the facts and, and maybe you're right.
You may be.
What I'm going to send you would give you, if you were so disposed, the opportunity to present a series of graphs that demonstrate—I mean, it could be as little as five minutes or as long as 20.
If you made a presentation to the House, if you were to be elected to the House, that would be stunning and make a difference to the political climate in the United States, because this whole business about climate change is totally fabricated.
It has no basis in science whatsoever.
Scott, go ahead, Scott.
Yeah, you know, I mean, I kind of like this guy.
I mean, he seems level-headed and he's patient enough to, you know, give the other side a say.
I do have one little issue with the offhanded way that you dismiss subjects that you don't really know about.
You know, like You know, when you say, when you say that you're open to discussion and debate is about sharing ideas, um, when you shut somebody down because they say they don't believe something that you believe in.
That doesn't seem like a very, I mean, like if somebody walked up to me and said, Hey, uh, do you know the earth is flat?
I'd be like, uh, well, you know, tell me about it.
Tell me how you come to this conclusion.
But you seem like the kind that would just be offhanded, like, get out of here, you idiot.
With the Earth being flat?
Well, I'm just saying, as a subject, you know, I'm bringing that as a subject of, you know, something that the majority of people would dismiss offhand.
As a more neutral example.
It speaks to, you know, the open-mindedness and willing to hear somebody's position rather than to fall back on your own position and dismiss anything that conflicts with that.
Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
And, you know, I do my best every day.
No, thank you.
Thank you.
I mean, everybody, you know, has the right to criticize everybody.
I just think you need to be really more open to hearing people's evidence of the things that they say.
You know, like, you seem to like, you didn't even want to hear Jim's evidence of what he was saying.
It's like any evidence he has is just false and fake and just a lie.
That seems a little disingenuous, a little kind of closed-minded.
But, uh... Okay.
Well, good luck on your run, then.
Thank you.
Go on, Scott.
Yeah, go ahead, Paul.
Eric, Scott, you're just being way too friendly here.
Come on, man.
No, seriously, Eric.
There's many, many good, solid German-Americans living in Wisconsin, and I would highly urge you as your campaign manager to run on an anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denying platform.
I think you'll be easily elected.
So, all kidding aside, you know, the problem is that To my mind.
Okay.
I bet Eric would probably be an improvement over many other congressmen and senators in government.
And that is an issue, because I personally believe, based upon the thing that you said and the thing that you've shown lack of awareness of, that you don't have any business holding a political office.
But that probably would apply to 80 or 90% of all the people in there right now.
I'll just, I'll challenge you.
Jim has done work on many, many things.
In part, he didn't do an exclusive book on the Holocaust, but it was included in one of his books.
And I would recommend that you look at his work.
Also, there's, as I mentioned, The Hoax of the 20th Century and Did Six Million Really Die?
You can start there.
As far as World War II, I recommend The Myth of German Villainy.
As well as The Bad War, and also a great book from 1947 called Uncovering the Forces for War.
There was indeed a Holocaust, a Holocaust of the white man, the Holocaust of Aryans, Germans, Russians, French, British, Americans, Canadians, and Australians died in the millions.
And Jews emerged from World War II with a greater lock on world power than when they went into it.
And that was probably one of the purposes, because the whole purpose of the war was to destroy Germany.
And all Germany wanted to do was be free of Jewish tyranny and Jewish financial slavery.
That was the underlying issue of that.
So like I said, you know, you have some some work to do, and I encourage you to do it.
And if you're open minded, as you say, Eric, I think it's just terrific you coming in here.
I'm really delighted.
I want to give you the opportunity as we reach the conclusion of our conversation today to tell where you stand, where people can go, your website, how they can support you if they're so inclined and the like.
Please, Eric.
Well, before I do that, I do want to say something, which is that Now that was Paul who spoke to us now, right?
Yes.
Okay, so Paul, I can see that and hear and understand that what you're saying is basically, in many ways, diametrically opposed to what I believe.
But you also hung in here for this talk, and if people like you and I can hang in on a radio show together, even when we deeply, deeply disagree about major issues, I hope that serves as an example for everybody that it is possible to have free speech, that it is possible to have a free circulation of ideas, and that we have to hang together as a country.
My website is OlsonForLiberty.com.
We're not even taking donations yet.
It's very much in its infancy this run.
And I have to say that one of the real concerns that I had in thinking about running for office Is, um, you know, understanding that, that there's folks out there who, you know, maybe wouldn't like me or maybe wouldn't accept me because of, of what I am and what I believe.
And so I don't know that you would like me or would accept me, but at any rate, we had a phone call for an hour and we went on the radio and we shared our ideas and it's America, man.
We've got to be able to say whatever we want to say.
Because otherwise we've lost it.
Well, those are those are commendable sentiments.
I think we all agree with that, Eric.
And once again, I want to thank you for coming on the show.
I thought you defended yourself.
Well, you expressed your point of view.
We had strenuous disagreements, but I think it's all All tied together very well, and I appreciate very much your sentiments, your thoughts here, your open-mindedness as we come to the conclusion today.
Mitchell, my producer, commends you as well.
And observes that in the past we featured a Jesse Ventura here and Jesse was a mask advocate.
And when we challenge Jesse on mass, even though Jesse and I go back decades, Jesse actually was unwilling to hang in there the way you've hung in there.
So there is a nice comparison case.
I still admire Jesse, but that was not his finest moment.
I think you did very well here today, Eric, and we wish you good luck in your campaign.
Well, thank you all, and thank you to this great country that's made it possible for people like us to say what we think, even if we disagree.
Thanks for coming on the show, and everyone out there, Paul Scott, wonderful calls.
Thank you all very much.
Have a great weekend.
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