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The New JFK Show (12 January 2022) with Gary King and Larry Rivera, Part 4
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Welcome everyone to the new JFK Show number 264.
We're going to wrap up the first half of Oliver Stone's Through the Looking Glass.
So far, it's pretty much 101 type stuff.
If you didn't know anything about the case, I would suggest it.
It would be worth listening to.
And something else, Basically everything that's in this one was in the JFK movie, if you think about it.
So, all right, welcome to the show, Larry.
And Dr. Fetzer, let's just go ahead and get to it.
Yeah, Gary, this is part four of our four-part.
We've divided Oliver Stone's JFK Revisited into four half-hour segments.
This is our fourth and final installment.
Go for it, Gary.
All right, so I do have the screen share at the moment.
All right, hold on.
Hang on one second.
All right.
I didn't screen share.
Sorry about that, boys.
Here we go.
It's a little dangerous to distablish.
Is that why?
That's a real question, isn't it?
It's just scenery for the public.
One of the best parts of the movie.
Matthew.
Keeps him guessing like some kind of polygon.
Prevents him from asking the most important question.
Why?
Why was Kennedy killed?
Who benefited?
Who has the power to cover it up?
His first year in office.
Kennedy must shape his own policy as president.
Sometimes in conflict with what his predecessors have done.
Especially in foreign policy.
And by the fall of 1963, Kennedy had made many enemies.
He was working on an American withdrawal from Vietnam, an upcoming state visit to Indonesia in 64, an independent, unified democracy in the Congo, through Nasser, a balanced policy in the Middle East, normalization of relations with Cuba, and a detente with Russia.
Even going so far as to offer them a joint mission to the moon.
All right, I gotta stop.
And not one word about foreign policy in the Middle East will continue on.
Well, Nasser in the Middle East, Gary.
Yeah, in Egypt, but not one word about you know who.
The administration asserted itself.
Kennedy, who had campaigned as a strong anti-communist, signed off on the Bay of Pigs invasion plan.
His approval of the plan contained two distinct limitations.
America would supply arms and equipment, but there would be no Americans in the landing force.
Second, after preliminary airstrikes by Cuban exile pilots, there would only be further strikes after the invasion secured an airfield.
Dulles believed that Kennedy would, like Eisenhower, support the operation with direct U.S.
military intervention if needed, all the while assuring him it would not be necessary.
Well, first I want to say that there will not be under any conditions
an intervention in Cuba by United States armed forces.
The invasion was a disaster.
Victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan.
Further statements, detailed discussions.
I'm not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the government.
In public, Kennedy accepted the blame.
In private, he and his brother suspected they had been lied to by the CIA.
Alan Dulles confessed that the mission was bound to fail as it was planned by the CIA without U.S.
military support.
He confessed this while preparing an article for Harper's Magazine with the young editor, Willie Morris, that he couldn't have done this with his small group of exiles, his Cuban brigade.
He needed the Marines and the Air Force.
And he thought Kennedy was going to be young and pliable and that the eleventh hour Kennedy would be forced to send in the full might of the U.S.
military.
While drafting the article in 1965, Dulles told his editor that Kennedy, he thought he was a god.
Jack Kennedy did stand firm.
He did not send in the military.
He did not make an even bigger global crisis than it already was.
Kennedy is just furious.
He knows he's been lied to, deceived by his senior military and intelligence advisors.
He announces that the agency is going to be downsized.
And he vows famously, he tells friends, he's going to shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter to the wind.
It wasn't just the day of pigs that angered President Kennedy when he came to the CIA.
In that same month, in April of 1961, he was also being lied to about a coup in France, a military coup that was aimed at overthrowing President Charles de Gaulle, one of our strongest allies.
Alan Dulles, who had a long history of antagonism with de Gaulle, falsely reported to Kennedy that the vast majority of the French military was staunchly opposed to de Gaulle's support of Algerian self-determination.
What he didn't tell him was that as far back as 1959, the CIA had discussed his overthrow.
This coup attempt, orchestrated by four French generals, was quickly put down.
And several news reports pointed to Alan Dulles' hand in supporting the episode.
JFK assures the French Ambassador, I have nothing to do with this, I stand in full support of President De Gaulle, but he says something very, very alarming.
He tells the French Ambassador, President Kennedy, that I'm not in full control, though, of my entire government.
I'm not in control of the CIA, and I can't speak for what's happening there.
That's a stunning admission for a U.S.
President to make.
In 1960, the Congo had been granted its independence from Belgian colonial rule and carried out a democratic election.
In the disorder of the transition, the Belgians, backed by England and France, sought to eliminate its charismatic Prime Minister, Patrice Lumumba.
Eisenhower and CIA Director Alan Dulles favored the European nation in this colonial conflict.
Eisenhower gave the go-ahead to have Lumumba assassinated.
Kennedy never knew this.
He gets elected the following November of 1960, and he heads in the opposite direction.
To those new states whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away Merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny.
But events are already in motion.
With the backing of British and U.S.
intelligence and arms, Colonel Joseph Mobutu's forces captured President Lumumba at the beginning of December 1960.
Doug Homershaw, the UN Secretary General, calls JFK, who's the president-elect at this point, and asks him to intercede to get Lumumba released from prison.
When Kennedy intervenes to save Lumumba, that's a signal directly to the CIA that they have to dispatch this guy immediately.
And so 48 hours before Kennedy takes the oath of office, Lumumba is delivered into the hands of his enemies.
He's taken out and shot in the head.
Kennedy doesn't know this until a month later.
Who finally tells him?
The CIA?
No.
They still keep it a secret.
He's informed by his UN ambassador, Adlai Stevenson.
His face crumples.
He's holding his hand.
He's grimacing in anguish, hearing about the assassination of Cartuth Lumumba.
Within a very short period of time after the assassination, Hammershul died in a mysterious plane crash.
Photographs show his body as the only one not burned or charred.
And he had a playing card.
Reportedly, the Ace of Spades stuffed into his shirt collar above the knot of the tie.
There are controversial documents that indicate Alan Dulles was involved in the sabotage of the plane.
John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles, they felt what they had to say was good enough for the rest of the world, that they knew more than the president.
There were things they didn't tell Eisenhower that they were doing under his administration.
And actually, Jack Kennedy does move to decapitate the top of the CIA.
He lets it be known that Allen Dulles, as well as his two top advisors, Richard Bissell, who was also very involved with the Bay of Pigs, and General Cabell, who was the right-hand man to Allen Dulles.
So the top three people in the CIA, Kennedy forces them out before the end of the year.
Have you ever committed any act of violence in your life?
No.
The existence of communism so close to American shores kept Cuba on Kennedy's plate, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff presented a plan to Kennedy called Operation Northwoods, whereby the CIA would secretly perform terrorist acts in the United States and blame them on Castro to justify bombings and an invasion of Cuba.
And you see all these plans being sent to McNamara and to Kennedy.
Take an attack by Cubans against the Guantanamo Bay sentries.
Sink a U.S.
ship in Guantanamo Bay and land it on Cuba.
The one that scares me the most is very sophisticated.
Take an airliner and fly it as a drone over Cuba without any people in it, with a tape recording that would play, we're under attack by Cuban aircraft, oh my God, they're gonna kill us!
Blow up the airplane, blow up this huge drone.
And use that to start a war.
The president declined the recommendation.
The Northwoods plan was our big find in the way of military records.
They're universally recognized today for their importance.
It's one of those releases that the review board members, the board members themselves, were justifiably proud of that came out of the JFK Records Act.
In addition to the problems with the CIA, Kennedy's own military advisors started pressuring him to send troops to Vietnam, a country that Kennedy had visited 10 years earlier as a congressman and witnessed firsthand how the French were losing their war against the Viet Minh in the fight for independence.
Once he became president, Kennedy wanted to avoid the same trap.
The Vietnam decision has finally arrived at, which is NSAMM 111, where Kennedy says, no combat troops, but we'll increase the advisors.
And that was his decision in the Kennedy presidency, never to cross that line.
Near the end of his first year in office, Kennedy received a report from Walt Rostow and General Maxwell Taylor, his foreign policy and military advisors, that called for increased training of South Vietnamese troops, increased bombings of the North, and use of U.S.
combat troops.
At the influence on Kennedy's reluctance to commit on ground troops was his ambassador to India, John Kenneth Galbraith.
My father went to see Walt Rostow.
He went in to talk to him.
Rostow gestured on his desk to the pile of papers.
The Rostow-Taylor report was plainly visible.
My father asked to see it.
Walt said that his security classification wasn't sufficiently high.
Uh, my father did not think that Walt Rostow's security classification was higher than his.
Uh, and at a given moment, uh, the phone rang.
Walt turned to, uh, to answer the phone and, and dad picked up the report and walked out of the office and read it.
Kennedy sent Galbraith to Saigon to write a report that would differ in his recommendations from what Taylor and Rostow had given to him.
Kennedy knew what he wanted and he knew what my father would deliver, which he did, which was a very detailed and skeptical report about the efficiency of the South Vietnamese government, about the capacity of any military force to prevail in the security situation that existed in South Vietnam at that time.
Kennedy told Galbraith to deliver his report to Defense Secretary McNamara, and he, in turn, gave instructions to begin the withdrawal to General Harkins, the commanding general of all forces in Vietnam.
The Pentagon dragged its feet on formulating plans, and McNamara called for a meeting in May of 1963.
One of the most important finds of the review board are the notes from this meeting.
McNamara said it's not fast enough. I want you to accelerate it. He says I want to pull out a
thousand men in December by the end of the year and I want you to pull out complete units, not
just individuals. He wanted units to come out. After the withdrawal plan was approved, Kennedy
sent Secretary of Defense McNamara and General Taylor to Saigon in September of 63. He planned
on using their report as the basis to formally order the withdrawal to begin.
Kennedy controlled the report, since it was actually being written under the supervision of Bobby Kennedy.
Three days later, that leaks out into the newspapers, then his opponents find out.
And McGeorge Bundy says to Kennedy, hey, look, you know, if they're talking about it in the newspapers, we might as well put it on paper.
And they put it, and it was in SAM-263.
And that's how it was actually written and why.
Well, here's one of the things McNamara said in the secret debrief.
He said, we had agreed The President and I, that we had trained them, we had given them everything we could, and if they couldn't win, too bad.
We had to get out, even if they were going to be defeated.
So, Macklemore and Kennedy had decided that they were willing to pull out of Vietnam in a losing scenario.
That's very important.
Later in that month, George Bundy, who's the National Security Advisor, puts together a memo based upon the truth about the war, which is going terribly.
And he does it in a way to try and make sure that Kennedy would be able to go along with this.
This is reflected in the National Security Action Memorandum, NSAM 273.
The way Bundy writes the first draft of 273 is to say, look, we need to intensify the war effort against the communists.
But the way we're going to do it is to increase South Vietnamese forces.
There's not a word about American forces or Americanizing the war.
Well, Kennedy's body is still in the casket in the rotunda over in the Capitol building.
It's when Johnson changes NSAM 273 to a new version.
And when it comes to the key paragraph, paragraph 7, which talks about how we're going to intensify the war, instead of changing a few words, there's two big hash marks through that paragraph.
And it's completely rewritten.
And I asked Bundy in an interview, I said, who told you to do that?
He said, Johnson did.
These changes allow the U.S.
to unilaterally engage in combat in Vietnam, rather than simply supporting and advising South Vietnamese troops.
And within days, we're talking about sending out the SOTO missions, these naval excursions along the coastline of North Vietnam that ends up with the Maddox and the so-called Tonkin Gulf attacks, and then the resolution in Congress opening the door to intervention in Vietnam.
In the review board's declassifications, there is evidence that Johnson was fully aware of Kennedy's Vietnam withdrawal plans, disagreed with them, and worked on Robert McNamara to make him renounce them.
You know, I always thought it was foolish for you to make any statements about withdrawing.
I thought it was bad psychologically.
But you and the President thought otherwise, and I just sat silent.
In retaliation for this unprovoked attack on the high seas, Our forces have struck the bases used by the North Vietnamese patrol craft.
And as declassified memos have revealed, by autumn of 1964 during his campaign against Barry Goldwater, Johnson had already decided that he was going to escalate the Vietnam War.
In fact, the directive that would become the Tonkin Gulf Resolution had been written before the Tonkin Gulf incident itself.
Three months before the election, Johnson had already planned for an extensive air war.
It was to begin after his inauguration.
We intend to convince the communists that we cannot be defeated by force of arm or by superior power.
When news came of Kennedy's death all over the planet, people were mourning and crying and going to embassies.
In Latin America, people just lit candles because they didn't even have electrical power, but they wanted to honor his killing.
In the Yucatan Peninsula, peasants cleared an area and planted a peace garden.
Nassar learned of Kennedy's death in the middle of the night.
He got up, dressed, went down to his office, and then realized, well, there's nothing I can do about this.
According to his son, Nassar went to a great state of depression after Kennedy's death.
Relations with Egypt gradually deteriorated, and they increasingly shifted their allegiance towards the Soviet Union as well.
A mass was held The leading Catholic church in Cairo, which has a capacity of 600, they somehow fit 4,000 people into that church.
Algeria, which had a special feeling for Kennedy, declared a state of mourning for a week.
Flags were flown at half-mast.
The U.S.
ambassador to Egypt said that he thought the Egyptians had seen in Kennedy the best of what they saw in Americans, that Kennedy had represented a kind of ideal of America to ordinary Egyptians.
Castro got the news of Kennedy's death while discussing détente with the French journalist Jean Daniel.
He then exclaimed, This is bad news.
Everything is now going to change.
When Khrushchev paid his respects to President Kennedy at the American Embassy, he was reportedly holding back tears.
Robert Kennedy knew that after his brother's death, relations with the Soviet Union hung in the balance.
My father wanted to convey a message to Premier Khrushchev, saying that our family knew that the Soviets were not involved in the assassination, that it was a right-wing plot from our own country.
In other words, the CIA, or Ford's line with the CIA, The day that his brother died, my father's first phone call was to the CIA desk officer at Langley, and he asked him, did your people conduct this horror?
We know from how Bob created that April day, November 20th, 1963, at his home in McLean, Virginia, that he immediately suspected it was not a lone gunman.
Why do we know this?
Because he was followed by his closest aides, people like Ken O'Donnell and Dave Powers, who were in the limousine immediately behind Kennedy's limousine.
They were both World War II veterans.
They knew what gunfire sounded like.
They reported to him that gunfire had not just come from the rear.
It had come from different sides.
There was gunfire from the front as well.
It was a crossfire.
I was in the East Room with my dad and with Jackie and a couple of my siblings and Lyndon Johnson came in and told the adults in the room that Lee Harvey Oswald had killed and that man had shot him.
And I said to my dad and mom at that time, why did he shoot him?
Did he love our family?
And the way they acted was that this only compounded the tragedy.
Many people at home felt that after Kennedy's death, a period of depression and cynicism overtook the country, and that America was somehow changed forever.
Our overwhelming disbelief in the Warren Commission's findings contributed to increased skepticism of all our foundational beliefs about government.
But I think Allen Dulles's appointment to the Warren Commission is one great fraud in history.
I think that if you had 10 more commissions, you'd never get away from the idea that maybe there was a plot.
We just didn't find any traces of it.
What really happened with Allen Mills was the CIA lobbied to have him put on the commission, because they needed to have one of their own on the commission to make sure that certain doors remain closed.
I think there's a direct thread between the events of 1963 and the kind of horror show that America is having to endure right now.
And I think once you kill a president in broad daylight on the streets of an American city, and everyone knows that powerful forces did it, that sends a signal not only to the American people, but to the American media, to the American future leaders.
And if America really wants a democratic society, then we should get to the bottom of this traumatic crime that continues to reverberate throughout American history.
They poll historians, they poll the American people and say who are the most popular presidents.
One metric that you could use to objectively at least judge the foreign policy Is how many boulevards are named after that president in foreign countries?
How many hospitals?
How many colleges?
How many schools?
How many statues are standing of that president in capitals all over the world?
And in that sense, President Kennedy, as every other president has done, Although many of Kennedy's progressive and unprecedented goals and changes in policy were undone after his assassination, a few powerful ones remain.
I think Mr. Kennedy has done some significant things in civil rights, and I would include the Attorney General.
I think both of these men are men of genuine goodwill, and I think there is a necessity now to see the urgency of the moment.
I'm asking from you an unequivocal assurance that you will not bar entry to these systems and that you will step aside peacefully and do your constitutional duty.
In showdowns using federal troops, the Kennedy administration wanted admission of black students to the last public colleges in the South.
George Wallace made it clear that this fight was not over.
In the South this year, next year, will decide who the next president is. Whoever the south
votes for will be the president, and you're going to see that the south is going to be
against some votes.
That night, Kennedy addressed the nation in what many consider the finest presidential speech on
civil rights since Abraham Lincoln. And that the rights of every man are diminished,
when the rights of one man are threatened. If an American, because his skin is dark,
cannot enjoy the full and free life which all of us want, then who among us would be content
to have the color of his skin changed?
One hundred years of delay have passed since President Lincoln freed the slaves, yet their heirs, their grandsons, are not fully free.
And this nation, for all its hopes and all its folks, will not be fully free.
You're frozen and you got a bad connection there.
a moral crisis as a country and a people.
And this is a matter which concerns this country and what it stands for.
And to begin, I ask the support of all our citizens.
Thank you very much.
You're frozen and you got a bad connection there.
Okay, now?
No, it's been frozen.
Thank you.
It's okay.
Go ahead and finish it up, Gary.
All right.
So, um, I took into the screen share.
No, you're not.
You haven't finished.
We haven't got to the credits.
Okay.
Hang on.
Yeah.
I stopped it during the credits.
Here you go.
Where are the credits Gary?
I want to see the credits!
We're obviously having some problems because I'm showing the credits right now.
We're not seeing them.
We are not seeing them.
Okay, hang on.
You lost your screen share.
You took it off of screen share, Gary.
Okay, here they are.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
We aren't seeing anything, Gary.
Yes, um, the screen is dark.
Photographic consultant.
Robert J.
You want to keep watching?
Yeah, that's enough.
Stop the screen share.
Okay.
Yeah.
Do you have the screen share?
No, you got to go to us.
Go to us.
All right.
I'm not screen sharing right now.
Gary, do you see us on the screen?
Do you see us on the screen?
Yeah, I do.
So we're not, I don't have the screen share anymore.
Unless you want to put... We still have us on the side, Gary.
We want to put... There we go.
Thank you, thank you.
Now listen.
The fact that the end of this was an abortion is completely appropriate, symbolically, because this entire film was an abortion.
This was a catastrophe.
There was nothing there that could not have been published and was not well known by 1980.
Nothing.
This film not just had a little filler, this film was 90% filler.
All that we had that was valuable here at the end was about Patrice Lumumba.
In JFK's sense about how it had happened, there's nothing of value here whatsoever.
James DiEugenio, Jim DiEugenio wrote the screenplay as a responsible agent, this was a sabotage, and it now makes sense as to why Jim DiEugenio, several years ago, published in Kennedy's and King's an extensive hit piece on me, Which went over virtually every aspect of my research, whether it was on JFK or 9-11 or Wellstone or Sandy Hook or the Boston bombing, even the moon landing or the Holocaust, about which he knew absolutely nothing.
It was a massive hit piece.
We spent seven hours doing a rebuttal.
We went through every claim and complaint that Jim DiEugenio made about me.
None of it, none of it was sustainable.
All of it, all of it was false.
All of it was fabricated.
All of it was fake.
That was deliberate in order to dissuade Oliver Stone from taking me and those with whom I've collaborated seriously as the editor of Assassination Science, Murder in Dealey Plaza, The Great Zapruder Film Hoax, He could not afford to allow Oliver to take me seriously, and he would only introduce David Mante and Doug Horn in incidental ways to talk about the least significant of all their work.
David Mante, already in my first book, Assassination Science, published in 1998, demonstrated not only evidence of a second shot to the head,
not reported here, but that the x-rays had been altered, especially by patching the fist-sized
blowout at the back of the head.
David, could you explain how it had been done? Yeah, he explained how it had been done.
Yeah, the whole damn thing.
Doug Horn showed how they had taken the edited Zapruder film, which was done in Rochester, and brought it to the National Photographic Interpretation Center to affect the substitution of the real film, which was brought there on Saturday.
We know physically they weren't even the same.
The original brought on Saturday was an eight millimeter already split film that had been developed in Dallas.
The substitute brought from Rochester was a 16mm Unsplit film.
They made the substitution because different teams were working at the National Photographic Interpretation Center.
They could get away with it.
Doug Horn has done brilliant work exposing this.
David has done extensive work on the Zapruder film, but the most important work on the Zapruder film has been by Larry Rivera.
Who discovered the Newcomb tapes where he interviewed the four motorcycle escort officers and their supervisor Stavis Ellis, discovered that confirming the evidence that William Greer, the driver, had pulled the limousine to the left and to a halt to make sure JFK would be killed.
That he'd been hit twice prior to that.
Once in the back about five and a half inches below the collar.
The second in the throat by a shot that actually passed through the windshield from inside, fired from inside the triple underpass.
Lurie discovered all four motorcycle escort officers confirmed the stop.
Officer Hargis riding to the left of the park.
This bike ran between the limousines, which it could not have done had they been in motion up to the grassy knoll.
Officer Douglas Jackson motorcycled up onto the grassy knoll.
We found his imprints until his bike fell over and he proceeded on foot.
The other five surrounded the Kennedy limousine.
One took a chunk of skull from a little boy and threw it in the back seat.
Meanwhile, Clint Hill had climbed in, who was lying on JFK and was reporting a fifth-size blowout in the back of the head.
All of this is known.
All of this Eugenio suppressed.
He did not want the public to know.
So the proof positive that this was a definite contrived act of treachery by Jim DiEugenio is the suppression of the information.
That he had at hand from David Mannick and from Doug Horn.
My God, Doug Horn even discovered that the reason we have three different versions of the blowout at the back of the head, a fist-sized blowout observed by the physicians at Parkland, a much larger missing back of the head described with mathematical detail in the Bethesda autopsy report, and then when the House Committee reinvestigated, they reconstituted the back of the head And switch a wound that had occurred in the vicinity of the external occipital protuberance four inches up to the top of the head, which you can see in diagrams but not in photographs because it wasn't a real wound.
But the point is, we have the triangular chunk of skull from the back of the head known as a Harper fragment.
That's right.
David Manning is a leading expert in the world on the Harper Fragment.
He never talked about that, which by itself falsifies the HSCA.
There was material, unbelievably important material, not to mention the fact that we have confirmed that Lee Oswald was standing in the doorway of the Book Depository when the JFK motorcade passed by, which means not only can he not have been the lone demented gunman, He cannot have even been one of the shooters where we've now identified shooters at eight different locations.
We've identified, I've identified six of them by name, rank, serial number, the shots they fired, the effects they have, only Damagard the seventh with which I agree, only the eighth Who is on the grass opposite the grassy knoll where there's a single tree remains unidentified but where each of the groups who are sponsoring the assassination appear to have put up their own shooter.
This is a disgrace.
This was an act of treachery.
Jim DiEugenio should be taken out and shot after we give the guilty bastard a fair trial.
This is an outrageous, this is an insult to the American people.
If you want to know what Oliver Stone could have done, Go to my JFK special, which I dedicated to Oliver Stone.
You can find it on my BitChute channel, Jim Fetzer, November 18th.
I wanted it to advance in advance of the release of this new film on the 22nd, so there'd be no question about whether it was done before or after I sent it to Oliver Stone.
Watch it and weep.
Oliver, you allowed yourself to be played.
You're supposed to be smart enough not to let that happen.
When you made JFK, you let Robert Grodin play you, and that was bad enough because he led you to believe the The Zapruder film was authentic, and then Lee had been the shooter in the sixth floor, and while you posited three hit teams, it was all affected by Grodin's laying a foundation that did not allow you to do more.
Your work was nevertheless a masterpiece.
It deserved the Academy Award had Jack Valenti, who was an aide to Lyndon Johnson, not become the Czar of Hollywood.
For Jack Valenti actually married one of Lyndon's secretaries, whom Lyndon had impregnated.
If Jack Valenti had not been the Czar of Hollywood and wanted to protect the legacy of Lyndon Baines Johnson, That would not have happened.
It would have won the Academy Award, which it clearly deserved.
It's one of the cinematic masterpieces of the 20th century.
It is fantastic.
So we owe you accolades for that, Oliver Stone.
But this was a piece of mischief that never should have been made.
It's a catastrophe.
It sets back JFK Research 40 years because there's nothing here that we didn't know by 1980.
This is a disgrace.
And it was all by Jim DiEugenio.
My God!
Why didn't you reach out to me and ask me about this?
We sent DiEugenio the seven hours and he watched five minutes and he said he couldn't take it.
Well, he couldn't take it because even the first five minutes shows what he was saying was complete baloney.
The man was shoveling bullshit.
It's insulting.
Oliver, you let yourself be played.
Larry, your thoughts.
Well, there are several angles here, Jim, and number one, the prevalence of Alan Dulles here obviously means that he's gone in the Talbot direction and the participation of David Talbot, you know, in the documentary.
And that's okay, all right?
But there are It's a matter of determining the order of importance of, you know, of discoveries and things that can be presented in a movie of that type.
And not only what you mentioned about Mantic and The Horn, where their very best isn't presented, but the issue here of Vietnam.
He's got this obsession with Vietnam.
And wanting to keep tying it into the JFK assassination, which is okay also, but it's not the gist of what we really want to do here, which is, uh, get a little higher.
And, uh, where, as you mentioned, you know, importance, uh, discoveries of importance, obviously the Newcombe tapes, you know, uh, number one, uh, the, uh, Issue of frame, and I have to bring it here, frame 343, where easily he could have obtained with his connections with Hollywood, you know, a high definition, ultra high definition copy of that frame and verify the hole in the back of the head, you know, and could have gone in that direction as well, at least
You know, if you really wanted to present new stuff, you know, in that regard, I don't know what...
Well, Larry, that's excellent because Sidney Wilkinson was working with the Hollywood experts I actually visited their lab.
I saw the forensic quality.
It's extremely good.
It's better than anything we have ever seen.
It's even better than John Costello's improved, which is the best we have, available at AssassinationScience.com, and I believe also AssassinationResearch.com, which John and I co-edit.
So, you're making telling points, Larry.
The resources were there.
Why does he shy away?
Why does he keep shying away, you know, from the Zapruder film?
It's mind boggling, you know?
I mean...
He's like a Democrat politician dealing with Trump.
If Trump did it, it must be wrong.
I think for DiEugenio, if I did it, I must be wrong.
It must be wrong.
Even though what I do is collaborative research, bringing together the best experts.
Bringing together David Mantic, bringing together Bob Livingston, bringing together Chuck Crenshaw, bringing together John P. Costello, bringing together Jack White, bringing together David Lifton.
Listen, frankly, one could spend their time more wisely simply reading Best Evidence, which coincidentally was published in 1980 than by watching this video.
But Well, right thing to do is go to my BitChute channel and watch what should have been, what ought to have been the major developments that Oliver Stone was presenting here, because this was a colossal waste of time and money and effort, and the result, the result, Larry, to put it in a single word, is pathetic.
What do you guys think of his obsession with Vietnam?
I mean, like I said, it's okay, but it's not really that important in the narrative, I mean, in the case.
Because DiEugenio wants to conceal the fact that there were major sponsors of the assassination.
The CIA wanted him out because he was threatening to shatter it into a thousand pieces, that's included.
The military wanted him out because he'd not invaded Cuba, contrary to the unanimous recommendation.
He'd signed an above-ground test ban treaty with the Soviet Union, contrary to the unanimous opposition, and now he was pulling all of our forces out of Vietnam by the end of 1964.
Which they equally opposed because they felt we had to take a stand against the expansion of international godless communism based on the domino theory, which had no basis in history or fact.
The Vietnamese were fiercely nationalistic.
They weren't going to kowtow to China.
And if Vietnam became an independent nation, that did not mean the fall of Of Laos or Cambodia, much less the Philippines, but that's a kind of nonsense.
We were shoveled at the time.
The anti-Castro Cubans wanted him out because they'd been falsely told that Jack had abandoned them at the Bay of Pigs.
The Texas oilmen, of course, were afraid that he was going to cut the oil depletion allowance.
The mafia was upset because Bobby was cracking down on organized crime.
The Anticaster Cubans.
Israel was upset because they wanted to develop nuclear weapons, and Jack opposed it.
All of them threw in shooters in this event here in Dallas, which could have been explained and been brilliant, where a key marksman was Mack Wallace, Lyndon Johnson, personal hit man.
I think DiEugenio, this is so far beyond his capabilities to deal with, but more importantly because He, I'm sorry to say, he appears to be an asset of the CIA.
When you consider, Larry, how thoroughly we have exposed these different aspects that were never presented, how well it's been documented, how we've done show after show after show, it is impossible For any competent student of JFK not to be aware of our research and to omit it here is a colossal sin of omission.
Not only does he only present information that was known by 1980, but he presents nothing that we have discovered in the subsequent 40 years.
Therefore, I damned him, DiEugenio.
He is a disgrace.
The man is a mediocrity of mediocrities.
He had no right to be involved in this whatsoever.
It was clearly a con job playing Oliver Stone.
Somehow they knew his weaknesses and he was susceptible to persuasion, contrary to the facts.
He did not know enough about the case to get it right in terms of who he would rely upon.
That DiEugenio should be the screenwriter for this is just an abomination, a complete abomination.
It's a complete failure.
Okay, couldn't have put it any better myself.
So there's only one thing we can do.
We have to make our own movie.
And I think we need to get serious about it and get started on it very soon.
And include everything that's not been included.
Let me tell you, Gary Oldman's portrayal of Lee Oswald on JFK is amazing.
Yeah.
Yes.
If you want to watch an Oliver Stone film, go watch JFK.
And then if you want to know what we've learned in all the years since, and that was published in 1991.
Yeah.
It was 2021, 91 to 21.
Really?
Like 30 years.
If you want to know what we've learned in the last 30 years, then watch my JFK special 18 November 1963 on my Bitchu Channel.
Put the two and two together and you have a pretty good idea what happened on 22 November 1963.
There you go.
The other thing that I noticed is that he's trying to keep going to the well, you know, Donald Sutherland, you know, Mr. X and everything, you know, and having him also narrate, you know, which is good.
Uh, you know, but you know, going back to, uh, to the movie, you know, maybe once or twice too many times, you know, when you want to really, you know, Advance.
That's the best part of the new Billy Bush scenes from the old film.
I mean, how can that be?
And look how he ignores Doug Horn, too.
You have to explain this difference between the fist-sized blowout at Parkland and the monster-missing back of the head observed and described in mathematical detail in the Bethesda autopsy where Doug Horn discovered Through talking with Thomas Evan Robinson, the mortician who prepared the body for funeral, that the doctors did that.
He watched Commander Humes take a cranial saw to the skull of JFK and enlarge the wound to make it look more like something that might have occurred had JFK been leaning way forward.
A shot from behind could have taken off the back of his head, but he witnessed it with another medical technician from Bethesda.
That would have been sensational all by itself.
But DiEugenio, this spineless gutter fish, doesn't even include that.
He has Doug Horn on the screen and he doesn't address that.
He has David Mantic on the screen and he doesn't address the alteration of the x-rays.
Because these changes and that to the Zapruderfilm are tales.
The KGB could not have extended its reach into Bethesda Naval Hospital to alter x-rays under control of medical officers of the U.S.
Navy or agents of the Secret Service.
The Mafia couldn't have substituted another brain for the brain of JFK.
The anti-Castro Cubans could have got a hold of the Zapruderfilm.
This is all incredible.
It means there's only a tiny group as Colonel X. Donald Sutherland in the movie says, who would have the power to cover it up?
Best part of the movie.
And again, what we had discussed before that To waste Dr. Mantic talking about the single bullet theory and C-399 and the chain of custody when he had so much, much, much more to offer than that.
I'll tell you what I think.
The CIA even vetted this script to make sure there was nothing in there they didn't want, nothing that would be new, nothing that would advance our understanding of 22 November.
1963.
I'm making this allegation against Jim DiEugenio based on evidence from this film.
In my opinion, it's unmistakable.
The fingerprints of the agency are all over this.
JFK revisited.
This is tragic.
This is a betrayal.
The American people have been misled.
Sad to say, Oliver Stone's name is attached to this.
Mesopotamia.
They have two more hours to redeem themselves because there is going to be a part two, which I'm sure we're going to take our time to cover that.
Gary, there's no redemption here.
I mean, why not take a microscope to the Z film, you know, with the new technology and everything, you know, make it interesting.
I mean, the guy's a cinematographer for Christ's sake.
Oliver Stone, a cinema photographer, he doesn't understand there's a brutal film was massively edited, even I published a book about it, taking it apart piece by piece.
This is insulting beyond belief.
Insulting beyond belief.
I think that's what tells you right there at the top of everything, you know, that This is contrived, you know, that this has to be, you know, a sideshow or something, you know.
It's a distraction.
It's misleading because Lyndon Johnson was a key player.
Lyndon Johnson.
Read Phil Nelson's book, LBJ Mastermind of JFK's Assassination.
Read the book by Madeline Duncan-Brown.
Read the book by the crony, Billy Saul Estes.
Read the book by Barb McClellan.
All of them who knew LBJ up close and personal knew he was the motivating force behind it.
Even E. Howard Hunt, on his deathbed, told his son, St.
John, whom I have met, the chain of command went from Lyndon Johnson to Cord Meyer to David Attlee Phillips to William Harvey to David Sanchez Morales.
That's from E. Howard Hunt, who was on the inside.
And Jim D'Eugenio can't even get that straight?
But has he never heard of E. Howard Hunt?
He doesn't know of the Hunt confession?
I mean, Gary, this is execrable.
This is a disgrace.
This is, as I say, the guy ought to be taken out and shot after we give him a fair trial.
I gotcha.
All right.
I guess we'll leave it there.
This is going to be JFK number 264.
And we'll be back next week with some real new stuff to show you guys from Larry and the team here.
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