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9/11 Teleconference (29 December 2021)
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Greg Boyd.
Greg Boyd.
I'm here too, Greg.
Jim Fetzer.
Oh, hi Jim.
John O'Malley.
I'm here, John and Jim Fetzer's on the line too.
OK.
So we can even continue our conversation if we want to.
Well, we're going to be interrupted very soon by a bunch of other callers, I would think.
I guess Craig McGee is the guy that kind of runs these things.
Yeah.
We have someone with a number that starts with 608 and looks like the last name begins with B-E-L.
Greg Boyd. Hi John. Hi. Okay and we have someone with a number that starts with 608 and looks like the last name
begins with B-E-L. Could you identify yourself? Well I'm sure the 608 is me, Jim Fetzer.
Oh, you're Jim.
Okay.
Hi, Jim.
Greetings.
Hi, Jim.
This is Craig.
Just joined a second after Jim did.
Excellent.
So, yeah, we'll give people a couple of minutes, as we always do, because people kind of tend to pop in at five after a lot of times.
So we'll do that.
Okay.
Maybe now I could mention, I know this doesn't really need to be on the recording, but I can just tell everybody that all the recordings, I know there were missing recordings and I was having some technical problems before, but all the recordings for the calls That we're not there are there now.
So you can listen to any of the past calls, including the last one, which was December the 1st.
And I know there are a couple people that had expressed an interest in hearing that.
So everything's available in terms of recordings.
And it's the same page as usual.
Truthandshadows.com slash about.
Hi, this is Sherry Sandiego.
Hi, Sherry.
Hi.
Great.
Sherry, did your number begin with 442?
Yes.
Yeah, okay.
You're coming in and it's different.
Okay. Okay.
We'll give it another minute and then we'll get started.
Craig, what do you think?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think, I think, yeah, let's do that.
I'm sure there'll be some.
Come in.
How's everyone doing surviving the holiday with all the COVID mandates and.
It was a lonely holiday for me.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm guessing it was for a lot of people.
Yep.
Yeah, there's a church in my area that does a free Christmas dinner every year, and it's really nice.
It's a great turkey dinner, and anybody and everybody that wants to show up can, and there's no cost or anything.
So you get some people that have a hard time in terms of money, and other people that just don't have anybody else to spend Christmas with.
And this year, you know, it was canceled.
And I just thought, what a sad, what a sad thing.
You know, I'm not involved with that particular, I'm not a church person, so I wasn't really involved with them, except that I knew they did this great dinner.
And it just seems like such a sad, a sad thing that, you know, people that really kind of didn't have anybody else, you know, ended up just staying home that night.
Too bad.
Hi, Anita Renfrew here.
Hi, Anita.
Hi, Anita.
Hi, Cheryl.
Yeah, that is really sad, Craig.
I bet that's happening all over, you know, being replicated everywhere.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, they're trying to wear us down.
It is wearing people down.
It is.
It's wearing me down.
I have to admit it.
I'm kind of, I'm worn.
You know, I can't, I'm thinking about moving to Texas, so I'm looking at it.
I might drive 1,500 miles and go look at a house.
Yeah, it makes sense.
Yeah.
Yep.
And Texas is selling out.
They're buying house and sign unseen.
I talked to a realtor today here in San Diego.
He's got eight listings and every one of them is moving out of California.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yep.
So Texas is, every agent I've talked to, like six agents, all of them not back, not going to get it.
They said nobody's putting masks on, at least this little Southeast part of, Northeast part of Texas at least.
That's, that's all I know.
But.
You know, it looks pretty good, so I might drive 1,500 miles by myself and go look at it.
I'd have to leave my children and my grandchildren here in San Diego, which would be the hardest thing I've ever had to do.
Especially a beautiful place like San Diego.
Yep, but not beautiful right now.
It's horrible.
My kids aren't realizing it, and I think that if I go I'll hold a space Once they realize that they have no future here, then I'll have a spot for them, you know?
Is what we hear about the homeless in San Diego really true?
What do you hear?
So many?
Well, that there's homeless all over the place, living on the sidewalks.
Yep, and down right where my daughter happens to live with this guy in this horrible neighborhood, it's everywhere.
Terrible.
But none of them are dying or anything.
They're all doing fine.
You'd think if it was such a bad virus, the homeless would be the first to drop, but they're not.
Because they're unvaccinated.
That's right.
And they're unvaccinated.
A lot of them are vaccinated.
Well, I'm surprised.
New Yorkers are vaccinated because, you know, You can't get food, free food, unless you're vaccinated, and they all have social workers.
They have food stamps, and they have medical, so they force them to be vaccinated.
I've talked to some of them.
That's really, really disgusting.
Well, we've been having some anti-vax groups in New York City, and one guy was selling The real Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health, and I started reading it, and there are so many solutions to COVID, but the Big Pharma frustrates the solutions, but there are a lot of people coming up with solutions for years.
Well, the New York Post Office now is interdicting shipments of ivermectin, apparently.
It's a genocide.
They're trying to kill us.
Is that just in New York or is that everywhere?
It's everywhere.
It's everywhere in the country, in the U.S.
Wow.
We should get rolling, eh, Cheryl?
Yeah, I think we should, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right, so let's turn the recording on.
The recording has started.
Okay, so hello everyone and welcome to the December 29, 2021, 9-11 and other deep state
crimes monthly teleconference. And And Craig, if you would take the attendance.
Yeah, OK, I'll read the names I've got.
I've got Xander Arena, Cheryl Curtis, Craig McKee, Anne Hendricks, Sherry Jacobs, Fern Tishman, Greg Boyd, Jim Fetzer, John O'Malley, Lynn Cornelison and Neneeta Renfrew.
Did I get everybody?
Okay then, so that's who we've got so far.
We'll probably have more people who will probably join, I would think, in the next few minutes, but that's who we've got so far.
Okay, great.
All right, so we don't have any minutes to approve tonight, but we are working on those and we hope to have more up for next month to have everyone approved.
And all the recordings, as I said before the recording started, all the recordings of the past calls are up to date now and are up on the website.
So if you had wanted to listen to something you hadn't been able to listen to so far, you can do so now.
And again, Craig, they're on your website, truthandshadows.com.
And then, yeah, you can either just do slash about or you can, at the top of the homepage, you see It has About and Telecon kind of as one thing.
You just click on that and it's on that page, the same page.
Okay, great.
Yeah.
All right, and so now we're going to approve the agenda as sent out and written, and are there any objections to the agenda as written?
Okay, hearing none, then the agenda is approved for tonight.
And we have our first and only speakers tonight, and that's Jim Fetzer, who I know many of you know.
And Craig's going to introduce Jim.
So, Craig, go ahead.
Sure.
Now, Jim is a former Marine Corps officer and retired professor of philosophy.
He's the founder of Scholars for 9-11 Truth, which he founded in 2005, inviting Stephen Jones to be his co-chair.
He's published extensively on 9-11, and two books in particular, The 9-11 Conspiracy, The Scamming of America, and America Nuked on 9-11, Compliments of the CIA, The Neocons, and the DoD, and The Mossad.
So that's the latest one, that's the 2016 one.
So he's going to be talking to us about, well I'll let him explain what he's going to talk about, but he does have a slide presentation, and some of you may have noted When you receive the agenda, if you read the little introductory text that I put together, there's a link there.
There's two links.
The first one being his video special, but the second link is to a document with his slide presentation.
So I would encourage everybody to open that up right now on your computers or however you do it.
Um, and so that when, as Jim's giving his presentation, you can follow along with the visuals that he's put together.
I'm sure it'll make it, uh, make it much better if you have, if you have those handy.
That's what I'm about to do.
Um, so that's it.
So, um, Jim's got a 25 minute presentation and, uh, so we're going to, I'm going to pass it over to Jim and, uh, take it away, Jim.
Okay.
One second.
Jim, I'm just going to put us in lecture mode and it's going to take a second.
Muted.
Sure.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Thank you.
Well, I'm delighted to be here.
Please give me a two-minute warning before I have to wrap.
I'm really interested in comparing notes with where you stand in terms of your understanding of these issues and where I and my collaborators stand.
My books bring together experts across various disciplines.
I have over a dozen contributors to each of those books.
I think American Nuke might even have 17.
Now the first of the slides is black for you because it's a video that we cannot play given this mode of presentation.
So just skip to slide number two, and you see a map of the official account of the flights of the various 9-11 aircraft.
And where they allegedly wound up, notice the security at all the airports was ICTS, which happens to be an Israeli firm, and the fact that we have a diagram does not mean that in reality there were events corresponding to what we see there.
If we turn first to Shanksville, for example, in the next slide, there was a hole in the ground that was about 10 feet wide and 20 feet long.
Notice complete absence of aircraft debris.
Now, it's an element of scientific causal reasoning that if you have a cause, you're going to have the corresponding effects.
And where you can typically calculate the probability of a cause from the effects.
Well, in this case, there are no effects of an airplane having crashed there, rather strongly supporting the surmise that this is because no airplane crashed there.
In fact, Colonel George Nelson, U.S.
Air Force expert, when he and I discussed all this, suggested to him it looked as though someone had gone out there with a bulldozer, dung a trash, filled it with trash, and blown it up.
If you go to the next slide, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Look at crashes in Missouri, Amsterdam, Russia.
Compare it with 9-11 Shanksville.
Totally different.
There ought to have been massive debris from a Boeing 757 had one crash in Shanksville.
Go to the very next slide.
And for me, it's a gift for you.
It's, I think, just a still image.
But the explanation for the absence of debris has gone so far that some apologists for the 9-11 Commission claim this was an area that was heavily mined and the plane had crashed, believe it or not, into an abandoned mine shaft.
We know, of course, what to do with miners trapped in mine shafts.
We bring out the heavy equipment and the bright lights and dig 24-7 in the hope that by some miracle we might recover someone.
That was not done in this instance, even to recover what were supposed to be 45 souls aboard, not to mention the aircraft.
The first reporters on the scene, by the way, said the eerie aspect of the crash site was there was no sign that any plane had crashed there.
Pilots for 9-11 Truth has done some brilliant work, and if you look on the next, it turns out Pilots was able to track Flight 93 and discovered it was over Champaign-Urbana after it had officially crashed in Shanksville.
If we turn to the Pentagon, we know that of the video, and there was only one they claimed they had available, they released five slides.
Here you see four of them.
It has the wrong date and time.
The very first is conveniently labeled plain.
The rest all show a growing fireball.
Now, if you go to the very next slide you see what Jack White created.
I asked him to introduce the image of a Boeing 757 to the scale of the tail of what does appear some sort of airborne craft just above the gate mechanism where you see that white plume.
And clearly a 757 would be more than twice as large.
Pilots and aeronautical engineers have explained to me the white plume would not be the exhaust of a jet, but could be from a cruise missile being fired into the building.
And that indeed appears to be what happened.
No plane crashed there.
If you go to the very next slide, you see what's supposed to be the hit point on the ground floor.
The opening's about 10 feet high, 17 feet wide, you have some chain link fence, you have a couple automobiles, two enormous spools of cable, but there are unbroken windows, there's no messy pile of aluminum debris from a 100-ton airliner, no bodies, no seats, no luggage, no wings, no tail.
In other words, once again, In terms of causal reasoning, the absence of the effect entails the absence of the cause.
No plane appears to have crashed yet.
Not even the engines were recovered, and they're virtually indestructible.
Notice you see no entry point for engines into the Pentagon.
If you go to the next slide, one of my favorites, we have the two lime green civilian fire trucks that just happened to be in the vicinity.
I don't think the burps anticipated that would happen.
They're putting out the very modest fires that remained upon their arrival, but look at the pentagon lawn.
Perfectly clear, green, bereft of any debris.
There's no sign any plane crashed here whatsoever.
And there are many other videos that show the clear, green Pentagon lawn.
In fact, no debris showed up for some 45 minutes or so.
The next slide shows what's supposed to be the official account of Boeing 757 barely skimming the ground, hitting the Pentagon on the ground floor, flying over 400 miles an hour.
Now, aeronautical engineers have explained to me this is an aeronautical impossibility.
That plane at that speed could not got closer than 60 or even 80 feet to the ground, where 80 feet is higher than a Pentagon at 71 feet is tall.
So we're talking about an aeronautically impossible account given by the government.
As a professional philosopher of science, I can assure you the laws of physics, engineering, aerodynamics, physiology cannot be violated and cannot be changed.
So it can't just be a fluke that this plane happened to violate the laws of physics and aeronautics.
It's not even a possibility.
We know, therefore, for a certainty, the story we've been told about the Pentagon cannot possibly be true.
Not only that, but on the approach it's supposed to have taken out a series of lampposts.
Now, bear in mind that by Newton's third law, equal and opposite reaction, that the effect of an aluminum aircraft hitting these metal lampposts at over 400 miles an hour would be the same as if the plane were stationary and hit by lampposts traveling over 400 miles an hour.
They would have ripped open the wings where the fuel is stored.
It would have mixed with air.
It would have exploded and cartwheeled across the Pentagon Lawn.
If this were an accurate depiction, therefore, we would have to have massive debris scattered across the Pentagon Lawn, but it's not there.
It follows.
This depiction of the trajectory cannot possibly be correct.
We all know Jamie McIntyre was interviewed by the anchor there at the Pentagon himself.
He mentioned how, for example, that part of the building you can see collapsed over his left shoulder on the right as we view him, did not occur for about 45 minutes as he explains.
But when he's asked about the plane crash, he says, well, you might think that a plane hit and crashed here, but from my close-up inspection, there's no evidence that any plane crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.
He says there are no large parts like wings or tail whatsoever.
They're just some small pieces you could pick up in your hand.
Which is consistent with the analysis that Dennis Camino, who's quite a brilliant guy, that it was an unmanned aerial vehicle, a Global Hawk, which is made of fiberglass that fired a missile into the Pentagon, where you could then pick up those tiny pieces, such as Jamie McIntyre reported.
He was put under pressure to retract, and what he did was to say, only a fool would have denied that a plane hit the Pentagon, meaning he had been a fool to be expected to report on the truth based on his own personal observations, and subsequently he retired from CNN even though he was their best reporter by far, no doubt wary of carrying heavy water of propaganda.
When the debris did show up, it was very odd.
My suspicion is it may have been dropped from a C-130 circling the building.
This is by far the most striking piece because it did come from a Boeing 757.
But notice it's not compact or compressed as you expect from a violent collision.
It shows no signs of having been subjected to intense heat and ensnared in this piece of debris in the lower right there is vine not indigenous to the Arlington, Virginia area.
Now, James, an attorney, a retired attorney, James Hansen from Columbus, Ohio, recognizing that this is a very safe airliner that has seldom crashed, tracked this back to a crash of American Airlines 965 near Cali, Colombia, where the pilots lost their way and crashed through a jungle where these vines are indigenous into the side of a mountain.
Surprise, surprise, an Israeli firm was responsible for the salvage and clearly made it their task to put it on the Pentagon lawn.
It's interesting that Edward Hendry discovered and captured that the Bureau of Transportation Statistics, which keeps data, very copious detailed data on every commercial flight in the United States, had no American Airlines Flight 77 scheduled to depart from Washington Dulles on There's a similar absence of any report for a Flight 11,
which of course we've been told hit the North Tower.
Meanwhile, here is one of the images of what purports to be Flight 175 approaching the
South Tower.
Now, there turned out to be some 52 different videos here.
I will go into them in some detail, but what's most important for the moment is, pilots for 9-11 Truth discovered that the plane was traveling at an aeronautically impossible speed at this low altitude of 700 to 1,000 feet.
It was approximating its cruising speed at 35,000 feet, where the air is only one-third as dense.
In this case, as John Lear, our nation's most distinguished pilot, has elaborated in great detail in an affidavit that you can find archived at 911scholars.ning.com, At that speed, the turbines would have begun functioning as brakes because they couldn't suck the dense air through the turbines fast enough, and the structural stress on the plane would have been so great that it would have come apart in the air.
Once again, in other words, we know we're viewing a fantasy.
This is included in their brilliant documentary, 9-11 Intercepted.
Not only that, but of course many have noticed that the plane seems to disappear into the massive 500,000 ton building as though it were an enormous stick of butter.
So sometimes it's been referred to as a butter plane, sometimes as a ghost plane.
In any case, there are no collision effects, which is actually a physical impossibility.
Here's the orientation with regard to the South Tower.
It was similar with regard to the North.
The plane was intersecting eight different floors, each of which consisted of a steel truss connected at one end to the massive core columns at the other to the external steel support columns, each of which was quite formidable in and of itself.
And filled with four to eight inches of concrete.
The variance because the trusses had four inch deep grooves, v-shaped grooves, so in some areas of concrete would be only four and others eight inches thick.
Because the buildings were 208 feet on a side, we're talking about each floor consisting of an acre of concrete on a steel truss.
We know what happens when a plane hits a small bird weighing a few ounces.
Imagine a plane encountering with an acre of concrete on a steel truss.
It would have been crushed, crumbled, destroyed beyond belief.
Nevertheless, this is what ought to have occurred, as Ace Alexander demonstrated in his 9-11 Cy Opera.
The plane ought to have crumbled external to the building.
Yes, the engines, which are so massive, would have penetrated, but most of the building not.
We would have had body seats, luggage falling to the ground, including, you know, a whole lot of debris, which we do not find there, as I'm about to explain.
Jack White also assisted me in capturing the sequence using the Evan Fairbanks video, Well, when you count the frames, the plane passes its entire length into the south tower in the same number of frames it passes its entire length through air, which makes sense only if a massive 500,000 ton steel and concrete building provides no more resistance to the trajectory of an aircraft than air.
As almost all of you will be aware, in the lower left-hand corner, you can see the nose-out phenomenon, which is virtually inexplicable.
The nose cone of a commercial carrier, and this was purportedly a 767, is the most fragile packed with electronics that could not possibly have emerged intact.
When this occurred, of course, the networks went fade to black.
Here they are in the midst of recording the most historic footage in the history of the United States.
Absent, say, some might claim, the Zapruder home movie, but they faded to black.
They didn't continue to cover, where this appears to have been the result of a hand-eye coordination problem, as I'm going to explain.
In any case, had the North or the South Tower been hit with an aircraft, as claimed, there ought to have been massive debris, bodies, seats, luggage, wings, tail on the ground beneath the facades, but it's not there.
It is not there.
That means, of course, that no real planes actually collided with either the North or the South Tower.
It was not physically possible for a collision to have taken place, and there have been no debris on the ground, on the roadway, or the sidewalk.
An engine was found at Church and Murray.
It's rather fascinating.
Notice it just sitting there on the sidewalk, which is otherwise undisturbed.
It's beneath a steel scaffolding and a canopy, both of which are undamaged.
Jack White once again discovered Fox News footage of a white van in the vicinity, where four or five individuals dressed in FBI vests were unloading something heavy.
What's fascinating about this, not only is the sidewalk undamaged, Or something that massive hitting at high velocity would have churned it up massively, but it's an antiquated engine that was not in service in Boeing 767s at the time.
This was a planted engine, obviously, because no real plane actually hit the South Tower.
Now, the brilliant work has been by Richard D. Hall on how they perform this feat.
I am fascinated by what he did.
He actually studied the 27 or so of the 52 videos where you could actually plot the path of the approaching object to the South Tower And he created a graph.
He discovered that the NIST had a similar plot.
They claimed it was based on radar data, but when he checked, the radar data they alleged did not appear to be authentic to him.
He discovered there actually was military radar for the approach, but interestingly enough, it was some 1,200 feet to the side of the impressed images.
He has, therefore, speculated, with which I agree, that what was happening is that a plane was flying in the vicinity, projecting, using a holographic projector, the image of a Boeing 767.
The smaller plane was traveling faster than a Boeing 767 could travel, explaining the impossible speed.
It also brought the image through the building with no collision effects, because it was only an image and not a real plane.
And the reason the radar picked up the real plane, but not the projective image, is that there was no metallic object for the radio waves to bounce off of to create the radar pattern.
This, I believe, explains the data exactly.
So here you see the hypothesis that Richard D. Hall was advancing Where I myself was sent a page from an Australian military manual for an airborne holographic projector.
Brief description?
The holographic projector displays a three-dimensional visual image in a desired location, removed from the display generator.
The projector can be used for psychological operations and strategic perception management.
It's also useful for optical deception and cloaking, providing a momentary distraction when engaging an unsophisticated adversary.
Now, there are those who claim you could not have a holographic projection onto air, and that was certainly thought to be the case in the past.
However, a year or a year and a half ago, we had a report of a new holographic projector onto air, where it uses air molecules itself as a temporary or transient screen for the projection.
Remember, the military has technology that's 10 to 20 years ahead of what the public is allowed to know.
There are those who want to maintain that it was done by CGI or by video compositing.
For example, the WebFerry claimed it was CGI.
Ace Baker himself has insisted that it was done with video compositing.
The problem with both of those hypotheses is that were it a matter of CGI or video compositing, The plane would only have been seen in broadcast footage but not in real time, yet we have hundreds of witnesses with highly divergent accounts of seeing what they took to be a real plane approaching the building in real time, which in my opinion undermines, if not falsifies, the hypothesis of CGI or video compositing.
Only holographic projection appears to fit the bill.
And while I'm given to understand, Richard Hall no longer holds that position.
That demonstrates, in my opinion, that a person's later thoughts are not therefore better founded or more accurate and true than their earlier thoughts.
And if Richard Hall has abandoned the theory, I adopt it as my own.
Let there be no doubt.
Not only this, but Pilots for 9-11 once again made a massive contribution
discovering that flight 175 was over Harrisburg and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
After it had officially hit the South tower.
Not only that, but I sought out FAA registration data and discovered that
United 93 and United 175 were not even formally de-registered or taken out
of service until 28 September, 2005, four years later, thus raising
a very serious questions.
How can planes that were not even in the air have crashed on 9-11, and how can planes that crashed on 9-11 have still been in the air four years later?
Meanwhile, in New York, the Twin Towers were masterpieces of design and engineering.
They received many awards.
The whole idea was to create a whole lot of open office space by having the core columns at the center and connected to the external steel support columns to provide the support to open all the space in between.
Brilliant design received, as I say, many recognition and awards for architecture and engineering.
Now, we have been told endlessly that the buildings collapse.
Well, when buildings collapse, all the floors come down at the same time.
When buildings collapse, there's a massive pile of debris left over.
Here's a sequence of portions of building number one, the North Tower, and its collapse.
Building the North Tower, in my opinion, by the way, is not even as interesting as the South Tower, which we seldom hear described or discussed, because the top 30 floors of the South Tower tilted to the side and were blown, even Stephen Jones in his contribution to 9-11 and American Empire, Edited by David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, said he was just dumbfounded to see that massive structure disappear in the air.
It never made it to the ground.
But look here at this successive demolition of the North Tower.
It's from the top down.
Powerful forces are blowing the building apart in every direction.
All the floors are remaining stationary.
According to the official account, there was a pile driver effect.
The top floors actually weakened because of the intense fire and came down on lower floors, setting up a domino effect.
But it turns out to be physically absurd.
Two minutes left, Jim.
I'm sorry?
Two minutes left?
Two minutes left.
Okay.
Charles Baldwin, who was a high school physics and math and chemistry instructor, did calculations and discovered the resistance, the upward resistance to a fall was overwhelmingly greater.
Here you can see for every single unit of downward force, there were 188, 118 units of upward force.
The buildings could not have collapsed.
Look at this spectacular photograph.
How could anyone possibly imagine this was due to a collapse?
It appears to have been done.
And here, if the GIF works for you, we're seeing the final destruction of some of the core columns from the North Tower.
Which are undergoing molecular dissociation as a consequence of being exposed to nuclear radiation.
Here's a diagram of it.
Veterans Today has 50 studies of the use of nuclear devices on 9-11.
Here's a nice.
It shows that there was a deep underground mini nuke that had the effect of destroying the inner tube from the bottom up.
And then had the effects of blowing the outer tube from the top down.
Fascinating stuff!
There's a lot to support it, including the U.S.
Geological Survey study of dust samples from 35 locations in lower Manhattan, where they discovered a host of elements that would not have been present had this not been a nuclear event.
Including barium and strontium.
Neither should ever appear in building debris in these quantities.
They never fall below 400 parts per million for barium or 700 parts per million for strontium.
Reach over 3,000 for both in the dust sample at Broadway and John Street.
Thorium and uranium.
These elements only exist in radioactive form.
Thorium is an element formed by uranium by decay.
Very rare.
Should not be present in building rubble ever.
Once again, we have verifiable evidence that a nuclear fission event took place.
Lithium.
With a presence of lithium, we have compelling evidence the fission pathway of uranium to thorium and helium subsequent decay.
Lanthanums, yttrium, chromium, tritium, some of these only exist in radioactive form.
Notice, too, we had the massive debris.
I'm going to interrupt you for a minute.
Your time is up, but do you need more time?
Do you have more to go?
Oh, well, I do, but I'm willing to I'm willing to stop with just two more slides if you'll grant me.
Sure, let's make a motion that you have another five minutes and anyone opposed to that?
Or anyone seconding the motion?
Everyone's on mute.
So, Craig, are you there?
All right.
Since everyone's muted, I'm just going to second the motion, and you have another five minutes.
Okay?
Go ahead.
Perfect.
I greatly appreciate it.
One of the ways to demonstrate that neither nanothermite nor directed energy weapons could have been responsible is a massive debris ejected from the North Tower at a 45-degree angle, which came down in the Winter Garden.
Here are some key considerations from the point of view of physics.
Jet fuel fires, even if they burn hot enough and long enough, would cause the buildings to sag and gradually collapse.
Jet fuel could not have ejected 300 tons up at a 45 degree angle and 600 feet outward into the winter garden to explode steel.
An explosive needs to have a detonation velocity of 6,100 meters per second.
To explode cement, a detonation velocity of 3,200 meters per second is required.
Kerosene, the principal constituent of jet fuel, has a detonation velocity of only 1,600 meters per second.
Worse, nanothermite has a detonation velocity of only 895 meters per second.
Many nukes would have had the observed effects, but as far as nanothermite is concerned, you can't get there from there.
It's really quite ridiculous.
I'm willing to stop there and just make a couple of final closing observations here to wit.
Even Niels Herreth, who is a proponent of nanothermite, has acknowledged that it would have taken 29,000 metric tons of nanothermite to destroy a twin tower.
That's a manifest absurdity, because nanothermite only has 1 13th the explosive force of TNT.
Why would anyone appeal to such a feeble explosive to perform this act?
Plus, There are no effects that a nuclear hypothesis cannot explain that a directed energy weapon can, where the directed energy hypothesis cannot take into account all the evidence accumulated by the U.S.
Geological Survey indicating, really proving, that this was a nuclear event.
When I posted a five-star review of Judy's book, On Amazon.com, as I was heading to organize and moderate the Vancouver hearings, I received there much more proof that it had been a nuclear event when I returned.
I found that there were 2,000 posts attacking me for challenging Judy, Well, mind you, this is a five-star review, only I said, well, I believe she had excluded large nukes.
She had not excluded many nukes.
Indeed, I fault Judy for having abandoned science at this point in time, because any scientist would adjust their beliefs in the face of evidence to the contrary, such as the U.S.
Geological Survey.
Rejecting hypotheses you previously accepted, accepting hypotheses you previously rejected, and leaving others in suspense.
I'm sorry to say the Do group, in my opinion, has turned into a cult with a sacred text.
Where do the towers go?
A mystical leader, Judy Wood, and a Praetorian guard.
Including Thomas Potter and a number of others who are familiar to you, so that I'm fascinated that Richard Gage, who'd been defending the nanothermite hypothesis, has stepped down from architects and engineers, but I've been very worried about architects, which Like Judy Wood and her do group appear to me to be conducting a limited hangout.
They don't have adequate explanations of what happened in New York City and they're unwilling to discuss who is responsible and why.
I believe They were created to divide the 9-11 truth group.
I'm very pleased to have this opportunity to compare notes with you, and I'd be delighted to know what of the evidence I presented here you agree or disagree with, and why.
Observing and passing that much longer special you can find on my BitChute channel, to which Greg has provided a link, is far more detailed and comprehensive in its presentation.
Thank you for this opportunity.
Okay, Jim, thank you so much.
I'm going to put us into Q&A mode.
Q&A session has started.
To ask your question, please press star six.
And, Jim, while we're waiting, as I understood this, are you saying that there was both nanothermite and the nuke fused, or just No, I don't believe nanothermite at all.
It turns out that the nanothermite is a causal effect of the aluminum interacting with the steel over a period of time, and it would have shown up in some of the residue.
But nanothermite does appear to have been used to clean up, so that we see some of those columns that have been cut at an angle that are distinctive of the incendiary use of Okay, thank you.
Okay, so we have a question from Sherry Jacob.
Sherry, go ahead.
Hi, this is Sherry Jacob.
high temperature but has very little punch as an explosive force.
Okay, thank you.
Okay, so we have a question from Sherry Jacob.
Sherry, go ahead.
Hi, this is Sherry Jacob.
I think you were on a book with my brother.
Do you know Don Jacob?
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
But I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to answer that.
American Assassination and the Strange Death of Senator Paul Wellstone, Don Foreros Jacobs, terrific guy.
I so liked his reaching out to the FAA and the results that I made him the first author.
I'm a big fan of your brother.
Okay, well, that's good.
But anyway, my question is, my understanding, what I believe from my research, is that I kind of agree with the pilots for 9-11 troops who seem to show, at least to my understanding, and I could be wrong, that those planes were intercepted in mid-air with weaponized drones, and that weaponized drones could aeronautically be flown into the North Tower.
I can't believe that more than the hologram Well, it's very broad.
If you look into the weapon I've thrown, and then also, I think that they might have thrown everything in plus the kitchen sink as far as, maybe they did use nanothermite, maybe they did use nukes, maybe they used all of the above.
We might find out they used some kind of weapon that we never even heard of, you know?
So that's kind of what I believe.
Well, of course.
I mean, you're talking about the right range of alternative hypotheses or explanations.
However, it's a principle of scientific inquiry, usually referred to as Occam's razor, that if you have an explanation that's adequate to explain the data, then anything else you throw in is unnecessary and violates economy, simplicity, or elegance of the explanation.
Of course, we had to begin with the idea that drones had been used.
Remember, the controller of the Pentagon, Doug Zockheim, had a company that designed remote control devices for aircraft.
I believe the original plan was to fly remotely controlled drones into the buildings.
However, They found that it was physically impossible to enter the buildings, that they would have crumbled external to the building and fallen to the ground, not achieving the intended effect.
The only way they could get the plane actually inside the building before it exploded was to fake it using holograms.
And if they didn't have the plane inside the building exploding, you couldn't have an explanation for the intense heat, which actually, as I've explained, wasn't sufficient to weaken or melt the steel, be held to be liable for the destruction of the building by a fantastic collapse scenario that was impossible to realize because the resistance upward was overwhelmingly greater than the force downward.
Now, remember, a remotely controlled drone is still a physical airplane.
It still has the problems that it would have crumpled external to the building, there would have been parts of the plane, body seats, well, no bodies if there aren't any bodies, but it would add wings, tail, other parts on the ground beneath the facades.
There are no such parts on the ground beneath the facade.
So, well, I do believe that was their original plan.
It turned out not to be feasible for the reasons that I've already explained.
Good questions, though.
I appreciate them.
My understanding, though, just to add a little bit for my research, is that those sections of the building that the drone, on this philosophy, that if it was a drone, just as they expected, if a drone hit, which was a weaponized I see pictures, it appears that there's something, like a bomb or something, underneath the fuselage of that, of the drone.
And it hit the plane, and I thought that we saw that there were sections of it, that where that plane hit, supposedly hit, those floors, were completely wired to bombs.
So that when the plane hit, it also, the bombs went off at the same time as the plane hit.
That's what I kind of thought.
I thought we saw pictures.
Remember how somebody did some kind of walk, or some people, some Zionists, or something took over the floor, and it looked like they had batteries?
Remember those pictures?
You may You may be talking about the Gelatin Group, these Israeli art students, so-called.
They appear to have been there to rig the facades to create those cookie-cutter-like cutouts in the sides of the building, but no.
Listen, we have all the footage.
The plane, what was supposed to be 175, was intersecting the South Tower at an angle.
It was interacting with eight different floors, each of which was an acre of concrete on a steel truss, and they were reinforced by the external steel support columns.
It was impossible for any real plane to have entered either the North or the South Tower.
It's a physical impossibility.
Period.
And we have no debris beneath the building.
There is a fantasy that came from Purdue.
It's embarrassing, which misrepresents the approach of the plane as though we're horizontal with one floor only, as though then it could have entered the building.
But that was just made up.
That was just a cartoon, very much on the order of the cutouts on the sides of the building.
So No, if you dig a little deeper, I think you'll find the
opposition to the hypothesis you are entertaining cannot be supported.
I thought some people thought they saw military planes.
I said that, yeah, the reports, the eyewitness reports were all over the place.
Some said they saw a large plane.
Some said they saw a small plane.
Some said they thought a commercial plane.
Some said they saw a military plane.
And by the way, what you're talking about underneath the plane was a flight management system of the kind that Dov Zorkheim manufactured.
That's what it was.
Boeing was reluctant to identify it, but that's what it was.
But the fact that we had those reports before the event meant they were seeing something in real time, which would not have been the case if we were using CGI or video compositing, because then the images of the planes would only have been visible in the broadcast footage.
And they're talking about real time.
But yes, I went through 500 reports, 500 witness reports collated by The New York Times with Andrew Johnson.
It was at a point where Judy and I were on good terms.
I actually promoted her work on the 11th of November, as I recall, of 2006.
I invited Judy onto my radio show and I began pioneering interaction between the computer and the radio, where we directed everyone to go to her website.
And then Judy and I spent the show talking about the evidence she had on her website.
I did this not Once, not twice, 15 times, I featured Judy Wood.
Indeed, this is when Steve Jones and Kevin Ryan and others decided to sabotage Scholars for 9-11 Truth because I was no longer adhering to the nanothermite hypothesis, which I'd long since concluded was indefensible.
When Alex Jones invited me to be the keynote speaker at his American Scholars Conference held in Los Angeles in June of 2006, I spoke with Steve in the lobby and said, Steve, you're still to believe that panothermite could have the effects of blowing the buildings apart in every direction, leaving no debris?
And that's another important point, by the way, I ought to emphasize, had I had more time.
With Building 7, for example, which was a classic controlled demolition, all the floors came down at the same time, and you had a pile of debris equal to about 12% of the height of the original 47 floors, which was 5 1⁄2 floors of debris.
If that had been true of the 110-story Twin Towers, you would have had 12%, 13 1⁄2 floors of debris for each tower, but it's not there.
Father Frank Morales from St.
Mark's Episcopal Church, he was a first responder, came on my radio shows twice, and both times declared how those buildings were destroyed too, or even below ground level.
So there's no way there was any collapse, but also I submit to you, if you go through all the witness reports, as I did with Andrew Johnson, 500 witness reports, they're all over the place, but they're all reporting seeing what they took to be a plane.
Yep.
Good.
Good questions.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
I agree with the prior speaker.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Hello.
Are you okay?
Yeah.
Great.
All right.
So, Jim, thanks for your presentation.
A couple of major disagreements.
That's what you said you wanted to hear.
Yes.
I agree with the prior speaker.
A modified drone absolutely could have done everything that we perceived in New York with
a fortified nose cone and augmented structural skeleton to achieve those flight speeds.
So, I'm going to go ahead and move on to the next slide.
There's no reason to conclude that a hologram or any CGI or anything else would have been needed when an actual aircraft could have done the job.
We fly aircraft to those speeds at low altitude all the time.
We don't fly stock aircraft.
So I find it curious that you're not willing to simply say, Oh, that's great.
That's great.
May I respond to what you've already said?
May I respond to what you've already said?
It was physically impossible for any real in-craft to enter the Twin Towers, either one.
So you're making up a fanciful story for which there is no evidence.
It would have had to have been body seats, luggage, remnants of the collision beneath the facades of the building.
It isn't there.
You're just whistling in the dark.
I'm sure you like... Let's go back to New York, real fast.
No.
The reason they flew 540 miles an hour is that it's the precise speed that was required
to create enough force to break through that exterior field.
They never would have flown an aircraft that fast because it gave them away just that they had to.
Force equals MA.
Acceleration gives the aircraft the power to do what was done.
Just like a Friedmorz bullet can take down a large animal because it travels fast,
a duck can take fast animals down because the duck travels fast.
I love it, I love it.
This is...
This thing is not correct.
Yes.
And you're fooling people when you try to present it.
No.
Let's move on to the next point.
No.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, don't go to the next point.
You're making a smear.
You're making a character attack, which I find offensive.
You're also disputing pilots for 9-11 truth.
Pilots established a plane was traveling faster than physically possible.
It could not possibly.
No plane could have traveled at that speed.
No commercial carrier.
And John Lear, our nation's most distinguished pilot, lays out the case.
Read his affidavit.
Because one of us is shoveling bullshit, but it ain't me.
Because Lierre said that the stock aircraft couldn't have blown it, he's correct.
Many of the other pilots in 9-11 in the South Carolina Streets said that a modified craft
could.
We have modified craft flying at that speed all the time.
What?
Well, look how silly you're getting.
You're talking, you're going from a commercial carrier to a jet fighter.
We're not talking about jet fighters.
And we're talking about commercial carriers or the equivalent that could would have come apart in the air.
Go ahead.
I want to move forward to the radionuclide hypothesis.
Okay, so you're presenting the stuff with respect to these radionuclides.
First of all, some of the elements that you're talking about, you don't even identify what isotope they are.
So you don't even know if they're radionuclides.
They could be stable variants.
They could be long-lived products.
You know, they could be all kinds of things.
And you make some claims that are fundamentally untrue.
We have uranium decay series.
We have thorium decay series.
These things exist in nature.
You can find all of these radionuclides in soil.
Okay?
Now, you've said that the quantities are suspicious.
Consider that, for example, with Tritium, you have buildings that are full of exit signs that are made out of Tritium.
All of this stuff could easily be consolidated into the debris.
But the key feature that is missing at Ground Zero is radiation.
So while you're picking these random elements out of the air, you're missing the radiation associated with the radium nuclides.
And if there's not radiation, there was no radiological event.
Anything even remotely nuclear or we would have had and would continue to have radiation
No radiation. So another curious position that you know No
A counter-argument with this nanothermite you say why would they have used nanothermite if it was 13 times less
powerful than PNP Consider that if the goal were stealth, okay, and nanothermite
is a quieter lower moving propagation wave
Then it would be worth taking an explosive 13 times less if the goal was to conceal what was being done
And so of course you would use something Well
Energetic composite, a nanothermite And simply look on Google Scholar
I was uh the year 20 years now of data on what nanothermite can do.
I was expecting there would be someone like you who would be here to make arguments such as though you've made.
There are 50 studies on veterans today about the use of nukes here.
There's no question about it.
These were low radiation nukes.
These were like fifth generation devices.
Not only that, but we've had Thousands and thousands of New Yorkers have suffered anomalies like multiple myeloma, leukemia, esophageal pancreatic cancer.
Just a similar pattern has occurred in Chernobyl when they had the nuclear meltdown there.
And indeed, the current death toll from effects that appear to be from radiation is on the order of 70,000.
So I think you're making up quite a bit as you go along, and I certainly don't appreciate your insinuation.
I don't appreciate your insinuation that I would deliberately mislead anyone.
That's the opposite of who I am.
I'm willing to go with the evidence and let the chips fall where they may, however that may turn out.
But the idea of using real planes, you talk about stock planes, No plane could have survived that speed.
That was a commercial carrier on the order of what we see in the video.
So you're saying some completely different plane than we see in the videos could have attained that speed.
Read John Lear's magnificent affidavit submitted for a court case in New York about 9-11.
He demonstrates beyond any doubt no commercial carrier could have flown that speed into the
north or the south tower.
And he's right, he makes the preposterous conclusion that it would go for a hologram
of the engine of a planet when the simpler explanation would simply be a modified aircraft.
No, no, it's not simpler.
A modified aircraft is still a real aircraft.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
I want to say, but what you and others today are doing with this, okay, is that if the goal is to muddy the water, then
consider what you have done, okay?
You.
What if we had a Vegas ectoplasm? How many millions are dead now from this current crisis?
So what do you gain from preventing a truer understanding of what happened 20 years ago?
That's a very clever question. I'm not...
You're the one who's perverting the truth, not I. I'm no longer with veterans today.
This is all independent research.
Read the Palmer Report, for example.
Read the articles by Joel Olson, who's done brilliant work about this.
One of us is trying to muddy the water.
I agree with that completely, but it ain't me.
Okay.
Okay, so thank you, Xander, for your question and comments.
And Jim, thank you very much for your presentation.
And we are going to move on with our next part of our call, and you're welcome to stay and participate, or if you're busy and want to go.
Well, I sure appreciate the opportunity.
And actually, in terms of a litmus test, I think I've discovered what I was interested in.
Let me just make one final point.
No real plane could have entered either of those buildings and left no collision effects.
So someone who's suggesting real planes at either the north or the south tower is trying to pull a fast one on you.
Bottom line, for a certainty, that's the case.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you.
Yep.
Okay, so the next part of our evening is the discussion, and Greg, are you present?
I'm going to... Yeah, I was just going to say, I did notice a question popped up after, as you were talking there.
I don't know if you... Oh no, I didn't see it.
Okay, yeah, let me do that one.
Jim, are you ready for one more question?
Sure.
Okay, so this is Nita Renfrew.
Nita, go ahead.
Yes.
We did an interview together once with Gloria down the rabbit hole.
Paula Gloria?
Yeah.
She's super.
Yeah, go ahead.
I just want to say that I think that Jim Fetzer is an invited presenter and I think that there's no reason to be rude to him.
I mean, it's his opinion.
He's entitled to have a different opinion from other people, and I think that you, Sandra, were terribly rude to him, and I think that we should not allow that.
Okay, so thank you.
Well, that's very dear of you to make that observation.
Remember, all my work is collaborative.
I'm dealing with engineers, mechanical, structural, electrical, aeronautical, physicists, doctors, a whole bit.
So I'm really giving a distillation of collaborative research.
The two books that Greg mentioned, the 9-11 conspiracy, and remember even on the official account with 19 Islamic terrorists and a guy in a cave in Afghanistan is a conspiracy.
What they don't spell out is that it was an inside job.
I've got over a dozen contributors there, including Judy Wood, Well, I think your reasoning was well-reasoned, and so on.
Whether it's correct or not is another matter.
believe 17 contributors. There's a whole mass of evidence from a whole lot of
sources that substantiates what I've been reporting to you here. I want to
thank you again for this opportunity.
Well, I think I think you're you're reasoning was it was well reasoned. And
so I'm whether it's correct or not, it's another matter. I'm not confident
that needs to be spent. But I think that you gave us something to think about
And I thank you.
And I don't see any obvious holes in this.
Thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
Yes.
And Anita, thank you for mentioning that.
I do want us to be civil on the call.
And, you know, so presenting the evidence and your opinion is one thing, but accusing people is another.
And I hope that we'll avoid that in the future.
Jim, there's Sure, go ahead. Yes, yes.
Okay. Okay.
Ann Hendricks, you're up. Go ahead.
Hi, this is Ann Hendricks, I'm calling from Grand Portage.
I think you used to teach in Duluth?
Yes, yes, I did.
For 19 years, 19 years, yeah.
That whole area is so beautiful, so beautiful.
That whole North Shore, evergreen forest all the way to Canada, Gooseberry Falls and the like, wonderful.
Yes, go ahead.
So, I want to thank you.
You did kind of help me to see a little better picture as far as a plane would have, part of the plane would have dropped on the outside.
Yes.
Of the building.
Yeah, the way you presented that, that helped me to see that too.
Another thing I want to mention, if you wanted to do any more work, I've I saw a lot about, contacted a lot of people in around Shanksville regarding Flight 93.
Yes.
And there's an organization called Prince of Flight 93.
And last summer, well, it was August 2020, they do a speaker series, which is quite interesting.
A lot of the passengers, the families of the passengers speak and other folks involved.
And Tony James, of Tony James Investigations, He spoke in August 2020, and you can find him on his website, Tony James Investigations.
He was the officer in charge, the FAA officer in charge at the Shanksville site.
And the presentation he did with Friends of Flight 93 is pretty sad.
They're kind of laughing through the thing.
But he said, yeah, the plane went right into the ground, the dust flew up and came right back down on the plane.
That's his... This is Justin.
You can see it on video.
Everybody else, you can see it on video.
If you go to, like, YouTube, Friends of Flight 93, look for Tony James.
Thank you.
Well, if you... So, but he is responsive.
They wouldn't ask my questions on that particular webinar, but he did say that if I had any questions, I could contact him.
And I know other people who have contacted him, and he has been responsive by email.
Let me just explain something I learned from a fellow by the name of James Files, who claims to have fired the shot that killed JFK.
I do not believe he did, but I do believe he has a designated role.
He told me Once the government, you know, stakes out a position, it's locked into it, and it will never change.
The government will never change.
I guarantee you, no plane crashed in Shanksville.
And remember, the pilots for 9-11 Truth found Flight 93 was over Champaign-Urbana, and I discovered from FAA data that it wasn't even formally deregistered until 28 September 2005, which was four years later.
And the evidence is more extensive than I've mentioned here.
I only picked out some highlights.
If you look at my longer piece, for example, for which Craig gave the link, I go into, for example, not only the reporters at the scene reporting that the eerie aspect of the crash site was that there was no sign any plane had crashed there, which is best explained by the fact that no plane had crashed there, Val McClutchy had a photograph that is supposed to be of the smoke coming up from the crash site that is clearly photoshopped.
I explained all that there.
So, you know, once you see there's a fakery about one aspect of a story, you have every reason to believe the whole story is fake.
And I'm telling you, that's what we got on 9-11.
It was a mess of pottage.
If you think of the 9-11 theory as suspended in space and then connected to the ground or to evidence by links to the 9-11 calls, the crash site, the passengers, you know, the destruction, the crash sites, none of them, none of them withstand critical inspection, not a single one.
And it was, in my opinion, ironic That Philip Zelikow was put in charge of the 9-11 Commission because Philip Zelikow had as his area of specialization in the Academy, before he assumed that position, the creation and maintenance of public myths, M-Y-T-H-S.
He completed a draft of the 9-11 Commission Report a year before I shared it with any members of the staff.
My opinion is Philip Zelikow wrote the script for 9-11.
Who better then to put in charge of the 9-11 investigation?
Right, right.
Yes, right.
I'm not doubting at all.
Absolutely.
I have also, besides that, I do have a number of photos that you might be interested in.
Please, please.
Yes, yes.
I'd love to see them.
I'd love to see them.
Yeah, it was the Pentagon that drew me in from the beginning where Thierry Meyssan's hunt to Boeing was, you know, he was the first to call out the Pentagon as a scam.
And the Pentagon is so crucial because that being our military command and control center, that's what enabled Bush and Cheney to declare that we had a war, to declare the war on terror.
Even though the 19 Islamic terrorists had nothing to do with it, half a dozen or more turned up alive and well the following day and made contact with the British media, as David Ray Griffin makes a very first point in his magisterial work, the 9-11 Commission Report, Omissions and Distortions.
So I appreciate all that.
A simple email address would be jim at moonrockbooks.com.
Jim at moonrockbooks.com.
Okay, sure.
Sounds good.
Yeah, the reason I mentioned Tony James is not so much Flight 93, but he has been an investigator previous and since, including the JFK crash and quite a number of ones that you might be interested in.
You mean Junior?
You mean Junior?
The crash?
Right.
Yeah.
Quite a number of, there's a list of crashes that he investigated on his Okay.
Okay.
Yeah, mention that again when you send me some of those photographs.
I very much appreciate this comment.
I thank you very much.
That's good.
Thanks.
Okay, thanks.
Thank you.
That's the end of our questions now for sure, Jim.
And again, thank you for presenting.
My pleasure.
Okay, so we're going to move on now to the open discussion, and Craig, I'm going to unmute you here for a minute.
Well, I'm going to unmute everybody just a second here.
We're going to go into... The Q&A session is over.
Okay, so Craig, do you want to... Are you there, Craig?
Sorry, you kept muting and unmuting me there.
No, what I'm saying is, the discussion section, did you want to lead off with that?
I did have something I wanted to mention.
I wasn't sure if I was going to do it at the beginning.
It might tend to kind of set a direction for the discussion, which I don't want to Anybody else might have something completely different to talk about.
I'm sure some people want to talk about the COVID situation or anything that's happened.
But anyway, I'll get it out of the way.
And if anybody wants to disagree with me or ask me a question, they're welcome to do so.
Last call, we had Richard Gage on.
Um, and he, you know, went over some of, uh, you know, some of the circumstances, you know, that led to the situation that, uh, that happened.
Um, I, I, I, um, I questioned a couple of points that he made and, um, and then sort of did a little and checked into a couple things after the call and found something that I just think I need to, um, uh, clarify with people because I think people could have come out of that full Um, you know, that whole discussion with some, um, some points that they're, you know, they're not getting, they're not getting correct because they received information that's not, that's not correct.
Um, I want to start off, very quickly, I want to mention, um, that Richard, you know, he mentioned, as some people may recall, about this PR guy that, that does work for, uh, architects and engineers and have, you know, he had a I forget exactly how we worded it on the call, but basically a major role in kind of getting Richard fired and kind of the board has kind of, you know, been fooled kind of thing and whatever.
You know, this is something that I think is not true.
I mean, we're talking about somebody who, you know, who does some work For AE, certainly not on a full-time basis, but he's been really good at getting some stuff out there.
He kind of knows how to reach the media or whatever, so he's helped them to do better than they were able to do before, and with a lot less money being spent.
when you get a press release, when you use a press release service,
you know, it costs money to try to reach media that oftentimes aren't even interested.
So anyway, so this guy, Richard, and I can't remember if this happened after the call,
but he mentioned him, but then on his website, he put the guy's name up.
And this led to a lot of people discussing on Facebook whether this guy is a CIA, deep state operative,
and really there's a lot of kind of hate, hating going on about this guy,
which is totally unfair because it's in fact, and I'm sure that what happened
was he was asked his opinion, but all I say to that is what the heck's wrong
with asking somebody their opinion about a situation that has developed?
And all this guy's done is, it's been attacked ever since, and there's a person who I think is kind of a, one of the more toxic uh... people who uh... claims to be a dial-up intruder team
lara ponda uh... in fact that
it's a it's a lunatic in my opinion but that's just my own opinion
you know he's now embarked on a campaign basically to destroy this guy's reputation
uh... and uh... even though richard had been asked to remove the name from his
site uh... which he promised he would do it took about a week
it seemed to be about a week you know i can't say for i'm certain exactly how many days it was from the time that
he said yes i'll take it down the time that he actually did take it down but it's
down now But that's too late for this guy, Laratonda, who's now on this campaign.
He thinks that this guy was just the evil plotting guy behind the scenes who orchestrated the whole thing, which is nonsense.
So I'm concerned.
Uh, about the unfair attacks on this guy's reputation.
And, and I could get into more detail about them, but then that might have the effect of making it worse.
And I, you know, I don't want to do it because this guy really has done terrific service for, for AD for, for just really a fraction of what he would, you know, he would charge any of his regular clients in his business.
So I would, I would ask Richard, you know, just if you have, you know, at least attempt to get Gene to stop this.
I know you don't have control over Gene.
Uh, but, you know, since he's now doing this based on having the name, um, I would at least, I would suggest a Richard Call on this guy to just stop with this, with this character assassination campaign.
Anyway, a couple other points that I, um, that I think need a fair mentioning.
One is that Richard says there's a reason that he, uh, the reason that he's been going on all these podcasts to talk about The firing and the circumstance and all that is because he felt compelled to, because AE had not informed its donors about what happened.
Now, I learned after that call that, in fact, not only did AE send out a statement to its donors, but Richard was involved in writing it.
He was involved in sort of bringing it to its final form.
There were actually a number of edits proposed to the initial statement, the proposed statement
by the board, and all those edits that were proposed were proposed by Richard.
So it needs to be made clear that he wasn't aware that the donors had been informed, and
he in fact had been instrumental in deciding what they were told, which is not the impression
I would have come away with from our discussion last month.
I would think that AE had not told anybody anything, certainly not the donors, and that
turns out not to be the case.
The other thing I want to mention is something I questioned at the time, and I think just bears a quick repeating, which is that Richard had said that AE, you know, wanted basically to stop him from ever speaking again or ever following his mission again.
Now, he sort of admitted like, okay, yeah, it wasn't You know, that wasn't really, it was two years, whatever.
And there's more circumstances than that.
But without getting into it, I just think it's very important that people understand that this is, this was never done.
And, you know, I kind of questioned what would happen, what would have happened had I not been on the call to ask that question or to challenge that.
You know, many people on our call would have gone off thinking how outrageous it is that architects and engineers would try to It simply never happened.
These are important points that needed to be made.
I'm not trying to attack anybody.
If we're going to discuss it, let's do it with correct information.
And if we're not going to discuss it, then that's fine too.
But I think these things are important.
If anybody wants to, you know, take me to task, feel free, or if you're content with what I've said, that's fine too.
So I'm, you know, I'm good with whatever, whichever way, or if you guys want to go on in a different direction.
So that's, those are my remarks, Cheryl.
Okay, thanks, Craig.
If anyone wants to comment on what Craig said, now's the time.
Oh, actually, Cheryl, I did forget one point, which I had written a couple notes down here, and this might be worth me just quickly mentioning before, you know, other people might want to comment.
Okay, one of them is, the thing that needs to be made clear is that the original Richard was asked to resign as CEO, and the intention at the time was for him to stay as a member of the board.
It wasn't to kick him out of the organization.
So they wanted him to stay, but to step down as CEO.
And that could have involved him continuing to make presentations, continuing to do interviews, but they did say they wanted a four-month period where, you know, any interviews would be approved by the board before they were done.
And I think, you know, the reasons that I think people are aware of, you know, the whole Spike Lee thing, so they wanted to have like that period where they approved things, My understanding is that they could have then gone on and he could have continued to be a member of the board and continued to do things for AE, but it was Richard himself who declined that.
So I think it's important for people to know that.
It wasn't just like, we want him out.
You know, it was, they wanted him to stay on as a board member.
So I'm good now.
So if you want to move on.
Okay.
Anyone else either want to continue with that topic or bring up another topic?
Well, you know, I missed the your interview with Richard.
I'm very interested in the reason, Craig, why Richard was asked to step down.
Well, I will.
I think it's not entirely appropriate for me to fully answer that question, but I can because There are things that I'm not aware of, and I think it wasn't just one thing.
Okay.
But, I mean, the final thing, I'll say that the thing that kind of, I guess, prompted it at the time that it happened was that Richard had been asked on multiple occasions not to talk about things like, you know, his feeling that COVID is a hoax.
Which, you know, lots of people think that, so it's not the nature of, it's not the opinion that was a concern.
It was that when he's doing an interview on behalf of architects and engineers, that it, you know, that the feeling was that it's not Good for the organization if he's talking about these other issues and and perhaps um you know half the supporters of AE might think it's a hoax and half might think it's you know it's including the official story of legitimacy you know so they asked him on apparently repeated repeatedly to um not to talk about those topics during the time when he's speaking on behalf of AE and he you know he didn't you know he didn't
Craig, that's good.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
they passed a motion in October of 2020, you know, sort of deciding that, that this was, you know,
these things were not going to be talked about in AE interviews. And, you know, he kind of
continued to do it anyway. So that I can tell you that that was a contributing factor, but I can't
give you that. But Craig, that's good. Thank you. I appreciate that. Helpful. Okay. Right.
Okay. Any other comments or any other topics people want to discuss?
Yeah, I would like to say something.
Can you hear me?
Yes.
Is that you, Pam?
Is that Pam?
Yeah.
Well, I appreciated Jim's talk.
For me, it's very difficult.
To speak.
And so I read all of what she put on Craig's YouTube and it was really very informative to me and I was sorry that they got it tonight we got into an argument about the idea that a plane couldn't have gone into the Twin Towers because I really need an open mind about all the different parts of 9-11 and
The other part that was really interesting is that Flight 175 and Flight 93 was still in existence four years later after 9-11.
So, I really appreciate it, Jim, for this talk.
And that's the way I come across, too.
If you're asking me to talk, it's very hard to talk to people when you have an audience.
That's why I write a lot.
So I really wanted to say thank you to him and for all of our 9-11 people.
Thank you.
Well, I really appreciate that.
And let me say, it's not that a plane could not have hit the towers, it's that a plane could not have hit the towers and left no effects of having hit the towers, which is what we're being asked to believe.
That's not possible.
So I thought your reaction was very appropriate, and I'm very appreciative you said these kind remarks.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, thank you.
Can anybody else have a topic or anything they want to bring up?
That's a good idea, I like that.
What's going on as far as the lockdowns and things that whenever each of us get a little
report from their area, we all come from a different place.
That's a good, good idea like that.
Um, do you want to launch your start?
Okay, well, they just reinstituted the map here in California.
And I live in San Diego in North County, San Diego.
And it's terrible.
It's really bad.
I can't handle it anymore.
I'm just about to, you know, go into Texas and check out Texas, and it seems like it's a different country there.
And what I understand is in Los Angeles, if you don't wear your mask correctly, you can get a thousand dollar fine.
You can't go out to eat.
Same thing in San Francisco.
And in Santa Cruz, they instituted some kind of a rule where you have to wear masks in your own house.
And another thing that I learned that I found very disturbing, if you go to the Centers for Disease Control website, and in their little search engine, put the term green zone.
And up top, a plan for us that they just updated at the end of July.
It used to say a plan for a pandemic, kind of in general.
Now, they've updated that heading to say COVID-19 protocols.
And here's where they are going to have house swaps.
They use the word house swapping, where like somebody can maybe come into my house and they send me down the street and put guards at the door.
And that's actually on their website for plan for us.
And then there's on the FEMA site, a friend of mine and I found where they are doing they have been and they're doing ongoing training to go out to the rural areas and round us up to bring into the cities to isolation camps.
So those are very worrisome things for me.
I mean, it's scary, you know.
And I've been looking for a little part-time job online to help watch my income.
And I get all these job boards.
And what this, to me, is doing is they're hiring contact tracers.
And thousands, tens of thousands of them.
So I called the company that was doing this, and it's a whole industry now.
A lockdown industry, a communist industry.
I called them and told them that they better stop it, or they're going to be guilty of crimes against humanity.
It's getting pretty scary here.
So that's my report from San Diego.
Thanks, Sherry.
May I comment?
May I comment?
I was born in Pasadena.
I grew up in Southern California.
I spent two years in San Diego in the Marine Corps, where I was a series commander with 15 DIs and 300 recruits under my command.
What's going on in California with Governor Newsom is a crime against Californians.
I'll tell you, beyond Texas, think about South Dakota.
South Dakota is sensational in very many ways.
But this whole mass thing, the vax, the lockdowns, the whole bit, this is part of a grand scheme to bring about massive genocide on a scale never before seen, where the Georgia guides don't specify the desired population for the world at 500 million.
That's a decimation of $7.5 billion, because we have about $8 billion now.
There's a Deagle website that projects that between 2020 and 2025, the U.S.
population is going to drop disastrously from about 330 million in 2020 to only 65 million in 2025.
That's a diminution of 265 million.
disastrously from about 330 million in 2020 to only 65 million in 2025.
That's a diminution of 265 million.
The masks do not do any good.
The filters on the masks are quite large compared to the virus being quite small.
So they do no good.
I have 17 articles about masks, including from the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons, multiple studies.
They do no good.
They use them in operating rooms to keep spittle, you know, your spit from getting on the patient so you won't contaminate the wound.
But what you're doing is recycling oxygen-depleted air.
That puts a strain on your brain.
It kills brain cells, which, unlike skin cells, do not regenerate.
It puts a strain on your heart, so you develop cardiovascular problems.
This is just from the face mask.
Tony the Rat Fauci did a study about the Spanish Flu and discovered the overwhelming majority Did not die from the flu, but from bacterial pneumonia infections, which are promoted by wearing face masks.
So face masks are killing us slowly.
These vaccines, which Sherry Tenpenny has described as perfectly designed killing machines, are going to kill us a whole lot faster.
They wipe out your natural antibodies.
So you can die from any number of effects.
This is part of the ingenuity of the whole scheme, that you die from a whole lot of effects, then they're going to blame it on COVID.
Most of those who are dying now are vaccinated.
They're not the unvaccinated.
The unvaccinated do not pose a threat to the vaccine.
In fact, the situation is this absurd.
They want to protect Uh, the protected from the unprotected by giving the unprotected the protection that didn't protect the protected.
It's absurd!
Completely absurd!
And, I mean, I have been doing massive studies on this.
I've been reporting virtually every single day for nearly two years now about the COVID.
I do a daily news update.
This is all monstrous.
And the supply problems, they're even paying farmers to plow under their crops.
Governor Newsom released the water from the two major reservoirs in California, which was at record highs, sufficient to sustain five years of drought.
Newsom and the Water Board had released that water into the Pacific Ocean, so now they're at record lows.
They're trying to wipe out agriculture in Southern California, which is like the breadbasket of America, just as Ukraine is a breadbasket in relation to Russia.
There is a systematic assault going on.
The Rothschild banking empire is behind it.
No other entity could marshal the amount of forces that are being brought against us.
This is a horror show unfolding before our very eyes.
Please do me a favor and call my brother and try to wake him up.
Because he is totally, he got the back and he won't listen to me.
And he's completely in the dark.
He's only on the wrong side.
If you could call my brother, I would be so appreciative.
Well, you can, you can.
Listen, let me tell you, on my blog at jamesfetzer.org, I used to do a show called Jim the Conspiracy Guy.
This was last year from like March through November.
I did 65 shows.
But I couldn't afford to keep up the website, so I moved the links to all those shows onto my blog.
If you go to jamesfetzer.org, the 65 shows, or Jim the Conspiracy Guide, they're all there.
And the very first was on the coronavirus pandemic.
There's another about the politics of the coronavirus pandemic.
You'll see there's been no change in the death rates.
They've simply reclassified.
38 million cases of flu last year, down to less than 2,000 this.
They've just reclassified them as COVID.
People are coming into hospitals and dying from all the causes people die from anyway, and they're being classified as COVID.
The whole pandemic is a mass illusion in order to promote the vax.
Good, good, good.
Yeah, I'm glad.
Yes, well, this is the first I've been on for I have no idea how many years.
I did one years and years ago, but I'm glad.
I felt this is a very sophisticated group, so I'm glad to hear that.
Yeah, thank you.
My good friend Linda, who I met through 9-11 Truth here, her daughter just lost her baby at five months pregnant.
Yes.
She was getting a massage.
She got a massage and was vaccinated in the suit.
Oh, God.
And that night, for whatever spike protein is, she lost the baby that night.
That's terrible.
There are many miscarriages still born and all that that's happening on a very large scale, because part of the whole idea is to induce sterility and infertility so that the World Health Organization has a document of adverse effects with over 2 million cases.
70% are for females, 70%.
And the contrast from the year before, there were only 2,000 adverse effects.
So there was a thousand-fold increase When they began using the mRNA vaccines.
criminal. Does anyone else want to share what's going on in their state?
Anybody else?
I live in Connecticut and it's not as bad as California, but we have a Democratic governor who needs to be following
along with, you know, what the Democrats are doing in other states.
and um...
Um, so we we have to have a vaccine like sure that we got the vaccine proof of vaccination if we want to go to any kind of like a sporting event or theater or movie theater.
But we can still go to restaurants without that so far.
And the governor seems to be backing down a little bit.
Um, and he's kind of putting it on the businesses to do it rather than the state.
And which is interesting.
I don't know if the lawsuits are scaring him or what, but so that's what we're at here in Connecticut right now.
Well, as Naomi Wolf has been emphasizing, the vaccine passports are the ticket to slavery because they're going to control your whole life using the vaccine passports.
You want to oppose those 100%.
Refuse the vaccine, discourage people, but goddamn, it's a difficult task because they control the mass media.
And as Mark Twain observed, it's easier to fool a man than to convince him he's been fooled.
Ain't that the truth?
This is John in Maryland.
Now, Maryland is a very corrupt state.
And what we've seen is that our elections are completely corrupt.
And the evidence indicates that the outcomes of the elections are decided before the elections ever happen.
And we can see similarities between the election system in Maryland and also in states like California.
Now my personal opinion is that if we had actual real elections instead of fake elections, none of this could be happening.
So I see that as a key issue that if California had real elections that Newsome would be out because there's no way that real politicians would be doing this.
The same thing is true in France, Germany, that the fact that what they're doing is so much against popular opinion and that they do it anyway, that alone is circumstantial information, that their elections in France and Germany are Yeah, good comment.
Anybody else?
Craig?
Craig?
Yeah, I'd like to jump in.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, it sounds like what we have is sort of similar to what you have, Cheryl, but we go a little further.
I'm unvaccinated and I can't go to a restaurant, can't go to a bar.
Where are you from?
Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
Um, so yeah, I can't go to a restaurant, coffee shop, bar, movie theater, and basically any, even, um, like sporting events.
Um, I mean, I just, uh, to my horror, I was, one of the things I was kind of going to sit back and enjoy over the, over the holiday period, uh, with, you know, not, not a lot of, not as much work kind of happening as, as regular was the World Junior Hockey Championships, which is, uh, always starts on Boxing Day and it's, it's, uh, If you're a hockey fan, it's a terrific, terrific thing to watch.
Anyway, they just freaking cancelled it today.
Because, you know, different teams have so many players that have gone into what they call COVID protocol.
And, you know, my question is, to anybody that's like, you know, expressing concern about this is, You know, are any of these players even sick?
I mean, yeah, they might have tested positive because they're all being tested.
But my contention would be, I think you've probably got a whole bunch of hockey players over there that are perfectly fine, and now their tournament's been canceled.
I mean, this is trivial in the big picture, but it is and it isn't, you know?
Because if I were, frankly, if I were one of those players, I'd be royally pissed right now.
But anyway, so that's frustrating to me.
But in terms of my daily life, I mean, I can't do anything.
Even when our football team, which is, you know, our football season ends a little earlier than yours does, for, you know, for weather reasons.
But, you know, even our football games, which are outdoor, I couldn't go to a football game.
Do you still have a curfew, Craig?
No, no, no, thank God.
We don't, we, they dropped the curfew in May.
It went, it went, um, we, uh, Cheryl, you've got a sort of noise in the background.
Do you want to mute?
Sorry, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Okay, sure, um, yeah, um, so yeah, no, we had a curfew, which to me is just like, I mean, Like, how dystopian can you get?
You're not allowed to leave your place of residence after 8 p.m.
until 5 a.m.
the next day.
And that was what I lived with through all of last winter.
Well, from January until May.
And I'm thinking about what's going to happen if they try this again, and am I going to disobey?
And that's what I'm thinking.
And I'm just imagining what would happen, you know.
Will I end up with like, $10,000 worth of tickets, you know, that they're going to want me to... Anyway, I don't know, but it's... What distresses me almost as much as the restrictions is the fact that I know so many people who absolutely... They think I'm the problem.
And even one of my closest friends has just... I mean, I really don't think I ever want to talk to the guy again because he just was so nasty about it.
Um, and another person, another, uh, you know, friend, not quite as close friend as this other one, but, um, on Facebook, he, you know, he talked about how he got COVID, and he's in self-isolation, and he, you know, he contacted people he's been in contact with.
Like, you think he, you know, you think he had Ebola or something, but, um, you know, he's, he's doing all these things because he's such a, such a good citizen, and so, so caring of others.
Um, and when I challenged him, and he didn't like that, um, he said, um, he said, he talked about how important the vaccine is, because, you know, with the vaccine, you, you know, you, you can't, you know, you don't transmit the virus if you have the vaccine.
Um, and I, I said, well, actually, that's false.
Your information's false.
In fact, I listed about five or six things he said that were just factually false, and his post had ended with, you know, thanks, science.
I'm like, So I started listing things and saying, this is also science.
You know, here's another one.
This is also science.
And then, so then today, then when I said, like, at the end, I said, you know, sorry for stinking up your, uh, your post here with, you know, my, my challenges of your, your point.
And he wrote back, well, that's what you do, Craig.
You know, now stop.
So I thought, hmm.
Maybe I don't need this person as a friend after all.
If they're telling me that, you know, what I do is kink up the joint with, you know, what he would think was disinformation.
And then I thought about, I thought, wait a minute, he got away with that thing about the transmission.
And I thought, wait a minute, why is he self-isolating?
If the vaccine prevents transmission, And his symptoms, you know, he seemed to have mild symptoms and they're gone.
What?
So I read it.
So I thought, okay, he's not going to, he's going to probably just, because he erased all my comments, but he deleted them all.
So I thought, let's see what the hell I got to lose.
So I said, yeah, sorry to, you know, I'm sure that you're not going to be thrilled to see me back here, but why are you self-isolating if the vaccine prevents transmission?
And I got no answer to that.
So, it's not just the crazy restrictions, fascistic restrictions, it's the... Go ahead, Craig.
Go ahead.
So it's not just the crazy restrictions that are, I think, dystopian in nature.
It's the fact that people that I know, who used to be reasonable people, not only don't they care whether they have good information to back up their thoughts, they don't even want to hear information, period.
You know, they have their thoughts, and if I tell them, if I point out to them that they're just factually wrong, They don't care, you know?
They don't care.
I'm the bad guy because I, you know, I don't care about other people.
I'm the selfish guy that wants my rights while other people are apparently dropping dead all around me.
So anyway, so that's, um, that's me venting after, you know, after not really getting fit.
Craig!
Craig, you made a wonderful point in telling him why is he self-isolating if the vaccination prevents transmission?
Wonderful!
of hear the voice of Rods.
Hear the voice of Rod Serling saying, imagine a virus so lethal you have to be tested to
know you've got it.
You handled it well, but I'm telling you, they're so committed.
They can't think anything other than what they believe wholeheartedly with no knowledge whatsoever.
Just a lot of propaganda.
Craig, why don't you leave Canada?
Well, you know, I'm tempted to think about that, but I'm also kind of wondering You know, I mean, I'm liking the sounds of Texas and Florida based on, you know, what I'm hearing about the COVID stuff, but I don't know what's involved in me moving to the U.S.
Like, is that even something do I have to, you know, what do I have to do legally to do that?
I don't think you can leave Canada from what I understood.
I don't know if you want to check that out.
Well, you know, there's another woman who I know here in town named Sandra Jelmy, who's been a She's a volunteer for AE and who's, you know, works with TAP and they're on board right now.
She has traveled.
She traveled to New York for the anniversary and she had to, I mean, they make you do like this two-week, you know, what do you call it?
Quarantine.
But she was allowed to do it.
I'm not sure how that, why, I'd have to ask for that because What I understand is, in Canada, you cannot take a plane if you're not vaccinated.
You cannot take a train if you're not... I mean, an intercity train, not a commuter train.
You cannot take a train.
The only one I think that would even allow me to travel inside Canada would be... I think the buses are still stopping short of requiring, but who knows if that's even changed by now.
So, yeah, you can't freaking do anything.
I know, but why don't you just get in your car and drive out of Canada and leave and go somewhere?
Well, I don't have a car.
I don't have a car, okay?
I live in, kind of, very close to, like, right in the city or on the outskirts of downtown, so I haven't had a car for a number of years.
And, you know, so just picking up and going to the U.S.
without any place to live or anywhere, you know.
Well, I'll tell you, if this doesn't, if things don't go back to normal or semi-normal, then I definitely will not, I mean, I will not put up with this.
This will not be the way I live the rest of my life.
Well, I'll tell you, if this doesn't, if things don't go back to normal or semi-normal,
then I definitely will not, I mean, I will not put up with this.
This will not be the way I live the rest of my life.
I can tell you that.
So I would start talking about it.
I think you should at least start looking into maybe getting a vehicle and...
and maybe making your way out of it and figuring out where to go and, you know,
what it involves and everything, at least you have a plan B ready to go.
Well, that's, that's reasonable. And I think that's probably a good idea.
I don't know if I'll start with the vehicle part, because I don't even know if a vehicle would be needed to
be part of the equation, but I would start at least my, yeah. What, what,
what would I have, what hoops that I have to jump through to move?
I mean, I always, you know, there were always times when I thought I would just never want to leave Canada, and I frankly wasn't very excited about the idea of living in the U.S.
for a number of political reasons, you know, things that didn't appeal to me too much, and I'm quite surprised that things have been kind of flipped on their head.
I do think, you know, We really do need to push back as hard as we can because if we don't, they're just going to keep pushing their agenda.
And the only thing that's going to stop them is, you know, the lawsuits, the rough protesting and refusing to comply and all of that.
But they're just going to keep pushing if we if we allow it.
And I want to make a shout out to I want to give a shout out real quick, Sherry, before you go make your point that to Jimmy Dore and I know a lot of people probably are fans of Jimmy Dore.
You know, good for this guy.
I don't care about what he thinks about 9-11.
He may not be on board with that at this point, but man, is it such a happy experience to watch his videos where he picks apart all this hypocrisy and all the inconsistencies and the lies and the propaganda in this whole narrative.
You know, it's just a joy.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It's just a joy to listen to him.
And, uh, you know, some people will say, yeah, but he doesn't go far enough here, doesn't go far enough there.
You know, screw that.
I mean, he's one of the few people that's going as far as he's going.
It's good for him.
It was on his show.
He had Robert Kennedy on his show.
Oh, and that interview's disappeared.
It's gone.
Yeah, it was gone.
At 24 hours, I watched it.
Thank God I watched it.
It was a good 45 minutes.
Terrific interview.
And I told one of my, one of my, you know, jerky friends there, like, would you at least watch this interview?
And his response was, nah.
He says, well, you know, when you get the vaccine, we'll get together at a coffee shop and debate COVID.
Yeah, well, sorry, buddy, but that won't be happening.
That won't be happening on several levels.
But, but yeah, the, I went to look at it, and I haven't seen any mention of it from, from Jimmy of the show, but it's gone.
On January 5th in Albany, there's going to be a lot of people going to Albany against anti-vaccination.
There's also a big march on Washington.
I think it's January 23rd or January 29th.
I think it's January 23rd or January 29th.
I can't remember.
Does anyone know the date for that?
It's on July 23rd.
No, 23rd.
23rd.
23rd, yeah.
Does this group still have some kind of a listserv?
Because I could email that out.
Well, we're working on getting that up and running again, and hopefully we'll have that.
Yeah, we're trying to get some help from David Rohl, who hasn't been on the call for a while, but he's like a regular, and I guess he's got other calls that conflict, but he's got some real knowledge of Google Groups, and And uh so we have the listserv and I keep getting these messages in my email from posts that Kat McGuire's doing but somehow there's something that's not working between you know hers is working but uh for some reason uh there's something there's some knowledge gap there that's something that I don't I haven't uh understood that is stopping it from being
There's two applications.
thing where we can all discuss together. So yeah, we're trying to get a hold of David and have a,
you know, Carol and I and get some, get some instructions to figure out what it is that
has to be done to make that thing work. So we're, hopefully we'll have that shortly for you.
Well, maybe not.
What I and other people do is, there's two applications.
One is RealPlayer, and another is Faggot that you can use to download videos
to like mp4s on the internet.
Oh yeah?
What I've done a few times is when I saw something that looked like they might take it down, I made a copy of it, and sure as shoot, they took it down within 24 hours.
So anyway, I'm sure there are other applications, but the two that I use are ReelPlayer and Faggot.
Snag it.
How do you spell snag it?
S-N-A-G-I-T.
And Craig, I think I have your email, so I'll remember to send you that stuff on email.
Yeah, great.
You ever get this, you know, if the listserv things ever gets up, then it could, you know, go out on that, because they are There's a website called redballoon.org.
stuff out of the internet. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I'll include that if you send that to me,
I'll put that in a minute too so you so people can get it there as well.
Also, if people are looking for a job and you want people who will hire you if you're unvaccinated,
there's a website called redballoon.org. So it's redballoon.org and you can go there and they have
They have a lot of remote jobs.
There are jobs in different areas of the country where they're not requiring masks.
I need a mask for vaccination.
RedBalloon.org?
Yeah, no, dot, dot work.
Oh, dot work.
RedBalloon.org.
Oh, good.
I'll look it up.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Actually, I'll mention one other real quick thing, too, is, you know, I was talking to, this is Andrew, who I mentioned a few moments ago.
And talking about how difficult the isolation is because you just can't, I mean even if you want to get together with friends you know you have to do it at their place or your place or nothing because you know you really can't go to a coffee shop.
So she told me about there's a guy who's actually rented an apartment above one of the kind of popular bars in downtown.
He's rented an apartment and he has He lets people come kind of like as if it was a public, you know, as if it was a bar, but I don't know.
I don't know if you have to bring your own beverages or how it works, but basically this guy's paying for this apartment so that people can get together, you know, without having to worry about the law.
Isn't that cool?
Yeah.
So I might check that out, perhaps.
I can say something.
I joined Les Jamieson's 9-11 Truth, and every Sunday for more than a year, he would have a different speaker.
And one of the speakers, I don't remember his name, but he talked about how fair morsel was used against Africa, and he had all these documents, one after another, On German Warfare and Africa before 9-11 and I'm reading Robert Kennedy's book and on it on Dr. Parsi and it goes way back to George Bush and he talks about some of this and he talks about a lot of things about 9-11 but he doesn't you know he goes way back to
A lot of people in 2020, a lot of people had solutions that you didn't have to, you know, get.
You didn't have to get coronavirus.
And a lot of money went into frustrating those solutions and it's still going on.
Yeah.
So he talks about that, because there are solutions, but the media and Big Pharma don't want solutions.
But he talks about that.
It's a very interesting book, and it is, it does have to do with 9-11.
Like, he does talk about, he goes way back to George Bush, and before that, he goes back to 1945.
You know, so about general warfare, biowarfare.
Very interesting.
He's a really amazing guy.
Robert Kennedy Jr.
was here a couple weeks ago.
I went to see him, Sherry Tentenny, and Del Bigtree.
And Robert, well, he was so cool.
And the one thing he said, and I quote, he said this, he said, all the 10 to 15 year olds that get the dab will be dead in five years.
That's what he said.
I'm not predicting.
What did he say?
And that's what he said.
That was very scary.
And he doesn't say things lightly, you know.
Yeah, and I'll tell you, that's the big push in Connecticut is to get the 5 to 12 year olds vaccinated.
It's disgusting, but that's what they're pushing right now.
Did you guys see that John O'Looney, the funeral director video?
Yeah.
That was scary.
He says there's no Delta variant.
There's no Omicron or anything.
That's a vaccinated diet.
Yeah, that's what happened.
He sees the bodies.
He sees them.
They're all bloated and everything.
He says.
He knows what their diet is.
It's from the vaccine.
But Ryder's filming!
It's starting a Crimes Against Humanity World Court coming up very soon.
Did you see that last one about writer's filmmaking?
That he's already started with Poland doing that?
I don't know where it's going to be, but he said that they've got about 40 lawyers, they've got a judge, they've got all, he's got over a hundred witnesses, you know, that he's been interviewing this whole time, of all the great many witnesses.
And he said it'll just be the first of many trials, just to give them a taste of what they're in for.
That's what he said.
It'll be a court of public opinion because it can't be like the Nuremberg Trials when the Allies were after the war was over.
The people who don't believe it don't want to listen.
I know.
I don't believe it, they'll want to listen, so they wouldn't even know there was a court.
I know.
But the thing is, I mean I'm glad he's doing that, but before the trial had any effect,
There's a lot of people who are going to be dead, you know.
I live here. I live near Camp Pendleton. And I heard from an inside source that
whole barracks of guys get this jab and then you can hear a whole barracks moaning and groaning.
I can hear the bombs going off for now. They're just quiet right now. But for the last several
days, it's like my house shakes and they're getting ready for something because they're
They're just doing war game after war game after war game all night long.
Fuck.
I got an email from someone that a court is suing because there was, from that I've heard of whatever the word is, and hydro whatever it is, that were solutions and people didn't have to get COVID and the court sued someone, I don't know.
So I got an email on court suing government for killing people.
Yes, I was withholding that medicine, yeah.
I'm gonna make homemade guys.
I made some.
Listen, I have to go but I want to thank you for featuring me tonight.
I think this is a wonderful group.
I'm very impressed, and I love your conversation.
I think you're terrific.
Keep up the good work, and I thank you again.
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