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The New JFK Show (1 December 2021) with Gary King and Larry Rivera
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Three.
All right.
Welcome to the new JFK show number 261.
I'm going to go ahead and be honest.
I found a little fun.
It's gonna take a couple of weeks to a few months to go away, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna slow down.
All right, last week I was in Dealey Plaza for the JFK Moment of Silence.
Larry gave a Zoom presentation, and fellas, I'd like to kind of talk about that a little bit.
The moment of silence is no longer a moment of silence.
What we did have was around 400 QAnon people that were just hooting and hollering, and they had t-shirts on.
They all had the same t-shirt on.
One was of Trump, in the middle was JFK, and I didn't know what it was at first, but it's actually JFK Jr.
And they're proclaiming that he's still alive and is gonna come back and do something.
So I was really disappointed how the JFK moment of silence has turned into basically a circus out there, is what it was, you know?
But also, when I did go out to the moment of silence, Judy Naker actually recognized me and she was running the show and she asked me to speak.
Um, because they were running short on speakers.
So I said I would do it.
And, um, I was able to talk and I explained who I was and I gave a talk about, you know, the Cuban Missile Crisis.
But when Judy introduces as Gary King of the new JFK show, Everyone in the whole audience knew who we were and knew who I was.
And after the end of it, everyone, at least five families came up to me and said, you guys are great.
Larry's great.
And I've been following your work for a very long time.
So it makes us feel good.
You know, that people do remember who we are after a two year absence.
And I was able to say at the end of my speech, And Larry Rivera demonstrated last week and at your very conference, proof that Lee was standing in the doorway right over there.
I was just a few feet away and everyone's head mobbed up and down and they all clapped.
So I was really happy about that.
Now, I'm 95% sure that the house that Lee stayed on On Beckley, what is the address, Larry?
Is it 1036 Beckley?
Yeah, 1024 North Beckley.
Yeah, I looked for it pretty hard.
I think it's gone.
There's a big highway and all kind of construction work and all that.
But I did go to where the backyard photos were.
Yeah, Neeley Street, and it's still there.
Same stairway, same ticket fence.
You can, you know, hold your guns up and, you know, match the photos.
So that's good news right there.
And one other thing that did happen during the moment of silence, Which I knew what was going on.
There was a big limo, and right at the right time, it came down Dealey Plaza and slammed on the brakes.
And waited, you know, the proper amount of seconds before it sped off.
So a lot of people thought he was an idiot, but I knew what he was doing.
He was right about it.
He sure did.
That's very impressive.
I love that.
Yeah.
All under the backdrop of screaming.
Streaming on people and I have to do admit the fee will on the triple overpass.
You got to remember 400 Q and I people on the triple overpass yelling Trump one Michael Jackson still alive and all that.
The people in the cars that were going under it.
They weren't part of it and they were blowing their horn, you know for Trump.
Whatever, you know, you might think about that.
So anyway, all right.
So Larry's got some killer stuff for tonight about Michael Payne.
But just before we do that, Jim's got a little bit on the Oliver Stone movie, which I did watch from beginning to end.
And we're going to be getting to that very, very soon and hopefully make an impact.
Because if he comes to his senses, he can get in contact with us and we make sure the other two hours Part of his documentary.
It's a four hour documentary that released two hours.
So there's two hours to go, which means we still have hope of, you know, getting to the guy and, um, not growing or Jim getting to him first.
All right, Jim.
I wouldn't hold our breath, Gary.
I wanted to comment on your experience in Dealey Plaza.
The moment of silence has turned into a clown show.
That's deliberate.
That's a C.I.O.P.
That's a C.I.A.
thing to get 400 people up there wearing shirts of Trump and JFK and JFK Jr.
And making claims like that, that's intended to discredit the JFK movement and make us out to be a bunch of tinfoil hat wearing clowns like them.
That's bad.
That's not good.
I think that you receive this recognition when we haven't been on the air for nearly two years.
I think that's a very good sign, and it means an awful lot of people, when they watch the Oliver Stone film, are going to know it's a very superficial treatment.
Now, speaking of Oliver, let me share with you an email I sent to him in your honor.
Oliver, looking forward to your new film.
Here's what we have found.
With admiration, Jim.
18 November.
18 November.
I made a point of sending it to him and doing my version before his would be revealed.
So you can find it on my BitChute channel.
Go down to 18 November, you'll find it.
And notice the comments.
Dedicated to Oliver Stone, whose new film will be released on 22 November 2021.
His JFK was a masterpiece with three flaws.
He did not know Oswald was in the doorway of the book depository at the time the JFK motorcade passed by, or that the Zapruder film had been massively edited, no doubt because he was relying upon advice from Robert Groen who has played the JFK community virtually from the beginning, and he posited three hit teams when there turned out to have been eight assassins.
My worry is that this sequel, which I have been told was screenwritten by one Jim DiEugenio, may suffer from similar defects.
We shall see.
Now, one of the best commentators on my blog wrote this just today.
I've watched Jim's overview of the assassination, and it is so much more convincing than that of Oliver Stone.
Stone just doesn't have the total grasp on the evidence that Fetzer does, and he doesn't see what DiEugenio is eluding, like the number of shooters and the plurality of interests arrayed against Kennedy.
I wonder if DiEugenio's hit piece on Fetzer was simply to secure his position with Stone, or was it something more sinister, like further blackening Fetzer's name and service to the intelligence services at all?
It wouldn't do for the people behind Posner, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, etc., etc., for James Fetzer to be validated as a JFK researcher for an illustrious American film director.
In this way, Stone is a limited hangout.
His most telling quote in this article is, I'm just a passerby.
I'm a tourist.
This is true.
Witness his claim that JFK researchers are in contention over the Zapruder film.
Was it altered, or was it not altered?
It goes on forever.
It does.
And of course, as we know, the fact of the matter is that I demonstrate, and Larry has done brilliant work confirming, what John Costello already had established based upon his study of internal features of the film, that it was massively edited, that there are more frames missing than remain in the excellent version of 487.
We're a hundred or missing from the turn from Houston on down and another 400 during the limo stop, during which so much activity Larry has described so very skillfully took place.
So I'm very concerned that Jim DiEugenio played Oliver Stone for the second time.
I was concerned when he came out with his hit piece that it had precisely that motivation Perhaps I should have written to Oliver Stone and explained to him how odd this was, because from my review of what Eugenio had published, he was talking about every aspect of my research, not just JFK, 9-11, the moon landing, Wellstone, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, even the Holocaust.
I do not believe there's a single claim that he makes about my work that is accurate and true.
It's disgusting, it was a pure hit piece, and as you both know, it took a seven-hour video presentation to present all the evidence demonstrating conclusively that everything that DiEugenio had published was bunk.
That was four years ago.
That was four years ago, 2017.
I know, four years ago.
See, that's just when he was gearing up to start collaborating with Oliver, wanting to make sure he muscled me out.
And it illustrates well how it's easy to lie, and it can be complicated to explain why something you're being told is a lie.
Perfect illustration.
So what we are going to be doing for the next several programs is reviewing Oliver Stone's film in segments, but anyone who wants to go to my BitChute channel, Jim Petzner, should scroll down to 18 November and take a look It's also embedded on my blog, so you can find it there, too, at jamesfetzer.org.
Now, Larry has some new work about Michael Payne, who is the husband of Ruth Payne.
We both know they had ties to the CIA.
You can find a review of Mrs. Payne's garage on my AssassinationScience.com site, and Larry is continuing to do brilliant, path-breaking research on a whole host of subjects.
So, Larry, I have made you the host.
Take it away.
Thank you, Jim.
One of the things that I found, because I've scoured this Oliver Stone movie, I've seen it a few times.
And anytime you're going to use the image, the photograph of Lyndon Johnson taking the oath before Judge Sarah, what was her name?
Yeah, they brought her in for the purpose.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
And that most iconic photograph, you know, of him with Jackie next to him, who was still in shock and still, you know, blood, you know, from head to toe.
And we all know that there was a photo shot at the time, but there was also a second photo With Al Thomas in the background winking.
Okay, but he prefers to use the one that's always been in the mainstream, you know, where he's not winking.
Okay, and he stays on that photo for, you know, maybe about 20 seconds, you know, and he comes back to it a couple of once or twice.
And I was thinking to myself, you know, right now when they said limited hangout, you know that there it is right there, you know, if you really wanted to show You know, clear evidence, you know, of something very strange going on in LBJ's camp, you know, and the people that were associated with him in Dallas.
I mean, that's the perfect image, you know, because, you know... The wink image.
Right, the wink.
Yeah, you know, and Oliver Stone doesn't even show that image, that photograph, you know, I mean, You know, why even bother to show the other one, you know, where he's taking the oath, if you're not going to show that one?
That's right.
That's a great point, Larry, because it would show we all have this impression, but actually there was something going on behind the scene.
And here it is in consecutive images or frames.
I mean, fantastic.
I've been told in the LBJ library of all those photographs, there's one negative missing, and it's the wink negative.
Surprise, surprise.
And, you know, that's I mean, that's the one that's really, I mean, that impresses you in a way that says, wait a minute, you know.
Yeah.
At the beginning of the documentary, they could show a little bit of the turmoil between Israel and Um, JFK.
I mean, the letters to Ben-Gurion should have been shown.
The JFK letter to Ben-Gurion should have been in there.
Well, it's like Professor Harwood, you know, he, he had a whole laundry list of stuff that should have been included.
But like I said, in an email answering, you know, two hours, you know, there were just two hours.
I thought that he chose his experts pretty well, you know, because when you have it and when you have in a lineup, you know, Dr. Mantic, you know, and you have, You know, others, you know, that- Doug Horn.
Douglas Horn, for sure, for sure.
You know, and they were allowed to speak their mind, you know, and Judge Tunaheim and, you know, the collection of people I thought was right on.
I just thought that certain areas, you know, could have been explored a little bit better You know, but again, in two hours, you know, at least, you know, Larry, Larry, we're going to go through the film in detail.
So, you know, yeah.
All right.
Well, Larry, right before we get going.
All right.
As far as Ruth Payne.
All right.
The morning of this assassination, Lee's wife was at Ruth Payne's house.
All right.
Lee lived in New Orleans and Ruth Payne came to New Orleans, her up.
All because they were supposedly going to learn Russian together or something like that.
So Ruth Payne is like dead center in this whole thing.
So is there anything else that we all need to know about Ruth Payne?
Jim knows the whole story better than any of us.
Well, I just want to follow up on something you said there.
If they have Doug Horn, how come Oliver Stone is still in doubt over whether the Zapruder film has or has not been massively edited?
I mean, this is so obvious.
The proof is so stunning.
It seems to me a major lapse if he's still in doubt about the authenticity of the film.
I mean, when he made JFK, it's one thing, because it was being advised by Grodin, but look at all the huge amount of research done ever since.
I mean, there's no excuse.
No excuse.
And here's another, Larry.
There's no excuse for him to not know Lee Oswald was standing in the doorway of the Book Depository.
But is that a centerpiece of Oliver Stone's new film?
The Motorcycle Cops 2?
There's no reason he shouldn't know about that.
That's right.
That's tangible evidence, you know, if there's any.
This is Jim Giuginio playing the same role in relation to Revisited that Robert Grodin played in relation to JFK.
Give us a call.
We'll document this in spades when we go through it, because there'll be key evidence, even when he's got good experts like Mantake, who's a leading expert on the medical evidence, and Horn, one of the leading experts on the medical evidence, but also on the alteration of the Z film.
If you threw in Costella, then you'd have a perfect triple you know, play there by three really great experts, but
they'd have decisive evidence that the film had been altered and Oliver Stone would not be in doubt.
That's only possible because of DiEugenio manipulation and deception and suppression, I'm
convinced.
Well, like I said, it's got to be, I think it's in part, it's a good documentary because at least,
you know, it takes, we go up another notch, you know.
Yeah, you're right about that.
Mainstream... Right, that's what I mean.
That's what I mean.
Another notch in getting, you know, this out to the younger generations, you know, in some way, you know, where, hey, at least he mentions his film JFK, and now, hey, let me go You know, and check out the film, you know, and... But Larry, Larry, Larry, on three major issues, Lee in the doorway, the faking of the backyard photographs, and the editing of the Zapruder film, he does not address.
So that is, you know, he's got this thing about the ring, we'll talk about that, but that's trifling compared to what you've done by superimposing... And now that you mention that, and I think because they gave Morley, you know, they brought in, they allowed Morley I mean, in the whole context of the JFK assassination, the Juanitis issue is like an afterthought.
It's not really that important, you know?
I have opinions about Jefferson Morley that are very unflattering.
Aguilar was there too, Gary Aguilar.
Aguilar shouldn't be anywhere near a film by Oliver Stone.
I mean, I think that's embarrassing.
There was a couple of shills now, let's get that straight, but not all.
Well, we all would agree with Doug Horn and David Mantic, I mean, you know.
But the point is it wasn't balanced and it wasn't thorough.
I'm very, you know, I think he's got these three glaring omissions right off the bat that are so central.
If he wanted to really, you know, talk about advancing the case, yes.
If he wanted his thing to really show some evidence and really blow it up big time, not just move it up a few steps, but to just blow it out the water, he has the opportunity.
He had the opportunity, but I'm telling you, DiEugenio wanted to shunt not just me, but my collaborators, including you, Larry, to the side.
I mean, that was the whole purpose of doing this hit piece on me that had no substance, no warrant whatsoever, and came out of the blue.
That's what comes to me.
Why is D. Eugenio doing this massive hit piece in Kennedy's and King on me here and now?
And it crossed my mind at the time it was to divert Oliver Stone from coming close to me and to all the work we have done collaboratively where I brought together all the experts from the beginning to shatter the cover-up.
I mean, that's what I did.
Jim DiEugenio did not do that.
Jim DiEugenio wrote his own piece about JFK, a single author piece.
What I have done is bring together the best experts in the world, as I continue to do, to blow the whole case apart with great success.
Oliver And Jim, some of those experts aren't even with us anymore, like Dr. Livingstone.
I mean, who better than him to give you an assessment of the brain than him?
Right.
And Chuck Crenshaw, of course, no longer with us.
Right, right, right, right.
The ones that you have brought together, you know, in the past, you know, who really... But their work was there documented already in Assassination Science.
I mean, has Oliver not read my books?
You know, if he hasn't read Assassination, Science, Murder, and Dealey Plaza, Grades of Brutal Film Hugs, then he's worthless, because he's not looking at the most serious objective scientific studies ever produced about the cover-up, where Doug Horn comes along many years later and makes contributions that are extremely important, but in a way, he's rounding out and filling in the details of what we'd already established.
No, he was on the inside because he was in the RARB.
And that was wonderful to have a source who'd been on the inside.
Yeah.
Larry, I think we've got a good overview now.
Let's turn to your new stuff about Michael Payne in the beginning and then turn to more.
Before we start, what does our audience need to know about Ruth Payne and Michael?
Well, they need to know that when Maria came to Texas, Ruth Payne took her in.
Ruth Payne became her handler.
Ruth Payne was instrumental in getting Lee, when he came to join her from New Orleans, a position in a book depository only weeks before the assassination.
Ruth Payne arranged it.
She put a Patsy in the position where he could be framed.
So this is a key player.
Michael, her husband, also appears to have played roles.
And here's where Larry's latest work seems to me to be shedding more light on exactly what role he played.
So I very much like what you're doing here, Larry.
Let's go for it.
We're also going to talk about Umbrella, man.
Don't forget.
Oh, I know.
I know.
I know.
We're rolling.
We took two years off, but that doesn't mean we miss a step.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, uh, we all know, you know, back in the summer of 2016... I'm not seeing anything, Larry.
I'm not seeing it.
If you're... There we go.
Yeah, you got it there, right?
Oh yeah, and the backyard photos were found at Ruth Payne's house.
Yeah, you hear, uh... Are we good here?
Yep.
Yes, we're good.
Go, go.
All right, well...
You guys want to read it, you know, and we'll comment, you know, but... Is this Michael Payne in New Orleans with Lee?
Yeah.
During the presidential primaries in the summer of 2016, national attention was turned toward Raphael Cruz, the father of Ted, after Donald Trump insinuated he might have been involved in the JFK assassination because he appears to be in a film sequence of Lee leafleting in front of the trademark in New Orleans the summer of 1963.
After drawing attention to the film that was noticed, other anomalies contained deserve more scrutiny than the Cruz issue.
And by the way, we know that was Raphael Cruz.
So Trump was right once again.
It was being trashed.
Wrongly, because he was making the truthful statement and his critics were not.
The following consecutive frames show how very subtle alterations continue to prove that most, if not all, of the film and photographic record of the assassination was altered when it was not possible to dispose of the evidence altogether.
By now, serious researchers have become used to finding this to be the case.
Individual in the foreground in front of the congregation, which include Lee Oswald and Chauncey Holt, who's to the right, among others, shows clear evidence of facial alteration in all the frames where our subject is shown.
Who might they have been protecting?
The sequence contains truly amazing and impossible body contortions as we shall see.
Yes, Yeah, and notice they all seem to be in the same attire, Jim.
You got Raphael Cruz, you got Lee, then Raphael Cruz in the middle and
Chauncey over on the right.
Yeah.
And notice they all seem to be in the same attire, Jim.
That's what it is.
So amazing.
You know, a shirt sleeve, you know, thin tie, white shirt.
I agree.
I agree.
That was clearly a way of identifying one another as the players here.
They were working together down there, you know, leafletting, you know.
Leafletting.
This was a staged event.
There's no question about it.
This was Enhance Lee's image, his persona as a pro Castro communist sympathizer for future reference as events would play out.
Yeah.
Being sheep dipped.
Yes.
Up there by Chauncey Holt.
Has that been marked out?
It looks like they've blocked that out too, doesn't it?
Oh, you mean John C's facial features?
Yes, the left side looks like it's been marked out to me.
We'll see.
I don't know if we have him in other frames, but this is the guy that we're interested in right here.
Right, the guy on the far left in the foreground.
If you look at this video in real time, I mean, he's only in the film for maybe about 10 to 12 frames.
I don't even think that many.
Really only a second or two max.
He just crosses in front of the camera and he's gone.
That's it.
You don't see him anymore.
So you have to isolate him and start studying this guy because it's just amazing what's come out of it.
I don't know if you guys agree, but some of the stuff I'm going to show you here needs to be looked at.
During the entire sequence, the individual appears to have a sports coat slung over his left shoulder as he walks with his head down as if trying to avoid the camera.
The problem is the left hand appears to have been superimposed, where the fingers are inverted in an impossible contortion.
Look at that.
Yeah.
I mean, uh, we're going to need, I may, it wouldn't be nice to have Ralph here tonight.
You know, he wouldn't be able to tell us, but it's not even a, it's not even a left hand Larry, as you observed prior to our conversation.
Now, this is a right hand, not a left.
Yeah.
If you're following here, what we're seeing, this would be a pinkie, a ring, a metal index and a thumb over here.
Uh, You know, maybe, you know... Try it at home.
Yeah, right.
You'd have to cross over and... I like that, Larry.
A close-up reveals the following.
Slide me on.
Yeah, yeah.
There you see the hand.
If the reader does a double take on this, It's because it's a right hand, not a left.
Here's the same image with all the digits accounted for, Larry.
Yeah, again, pinky, is this, am I... You're right.
Pinky, ring, middle, index thumb.
You're 100% correct.
Now, what is the purpose of this?
That's why, you know, now once you have established this, now what the hell, you know, what the...
What's the purpose?
Because once you follow this guy, we're going to see the sequence here now, and he's going to cross in front.
And as you can see, the face has been retouched, okay?
Been retouched here.
We got two squiggly lines that are... It looks like ink running.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the hand is still... And notice that it's weird.
Yeah.
Well, Larry, let me reiterate my conjecture.
There was something about his actual left hand that would have been identifying possibly a watch that was distinctive or other features of the hand they had to obfuscate.
And they thought they could do it by superimposing a hand over the hand to conceal it.
It's just that these guys aren't rocket scientists and they improvise with a right hand when it ought to have been a left.
Yeah.
It's very strange now, you know, why?
And perhaps he might have been leafletting as well.
You know, he was in, you know, involved in that, in something there, you know.
He could have a bump on his wrist?
No, this guy is sliding, Bill.
This is not, you know, but as we start to, he gets closer to us, we're able to discern, you know, some of the For example, the pattern here, the hair pattern, and other features here that might give us an indication of who this guy might actually be.
And obviously, if we throw names out there, it's conjecture.
But maybe not.
But that's the sequence.
And that's all it involves.
Oh, and by the way, he's with another guy.
And they've also obliterated his face, you know.
He comes out here and... Larry, it wouldn't do for these guys to be identified as having been with Lee, and the fact he's wearing this similar clothing suggests to me, yes, he was part of the leafletting crew.
He was there.
And for him to turn out to be Ruth Payne's husband, leafletting with Lee Oswald in front of the trademark, that raises too many questions.
Oh, and it answers a lot of questions, too.
Well, that's right.
That's exactly right.
Answers that they don't want to emerge publicly.
Of course not, okay.
But there's to be more discovered about these images.
Someone went to the trouble of retouching the face of the individual to render him You say unrecognizable.
I say all but unrecognizable.
The shape of the face, hairline, right ear, forehead, and slim build appear to be dead ringers for Michael Payne, husband of Ruth.
The reader will recall that Ruth Payne, his wife, had a relationship with the Oswalds, and she went to New Orleans to collect Marina to bring her to Dallas to live with her in the late summer of 1963.
Moreover, The panes have long been suspected by JFK researchers of being deeply involved in the events of 22 November 1963 by facilitating the setup of Lee by securing for him a position at the Book Depository, as I've already observed.
For instance, the Commission document 329 contains the following on page 93.
Mrs. Payne denied that her husband had ever commented to her that he felt Shirley Harvey Oswald had killed the president.
Yeah.
but did not feel Oswald was responsible, and we both know who's responsible.
Mrs. Paine was asked concerning the following quotation, Oswald wouldn't have any reason to do it,
but when you get right down to it, the only guilty person is that bastard himself.
Mrs. Paine stated that she could not recall her husband using those exact words in conversation with her,
but the meaning of the words would be compatible with his feelings on November 23rd, 1963.
Now, would that be an allusion to LBJ?
Who knows, but that's a very strange statement here, because first he's saying that there's no way
Uh, you know, that it could have been, that he could have been responsible, but at the end, you know, compatible, you know, it's, you know, it's, uh, it's a very, very strange statement, uh, this one here in CD329.
But, uh, but this is the one where a lot of authors have cited about, uh, Michael Payne in that phone call saying, we both know who's responsible.
Okay.
And that's how that came about, uh, on the evening.
Cause, uh, uh, very conveniently, uh, for the weekend of the assassination, Michael Payne and Ruth Payne had a, uh, blow up, you know, where he, he left the house, you know, and, uh, you know, Did she ever identify who she meant by that bastard himself?
Of course, uh, at least, you know, but you know, But, uh, Lee wouldn't have had any reason to do it.
Oh, she actually meant, this was actually meaning to say it actually was Lee, even though Michael was skeptical about it?
Well, that's why, that's why, that's my point.
And, you know, this whole passage is going, you know, I don't think, I don't think the Paynes would have described Lee as a bastard.
That seems very strange.
They were being told.
They changed the testimony a lot.
They changed the testimony a lot in all these, you know, documents.
Yes, you're right.
You're right.
Okay, here we go down.
We got an inset here of Michael Payne.
Okay.
And just so obviously, you know, we can do overlays.
Maybe, you know, we might be able to, you know, squeeze something in there, you know but the Like I said, the patterns, you know, outside of the face, you know, are very, very similar.
Larry, I think it's highly probable that you've nailed him there in front of the trademark.
I mean, truly.
I mean, uh, you know, at the nose here, the forehead, the high forehead, the, uh, hair pattern here, obviously this picture was taken much, much later.
Okay.
In 1964, where his hair pattern is a little, little different, but you know, it could have darkened it in.
I beg your pardon?
They could have darkened it in, his head.
No, they could have made, they could, changing the hairline is a piece of cake with photoshopping.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
But, uh, it, it's, uh, you know, very, very similar, uh, characteristics here, you know, and how many years was this picture for that one?
How many years?
Oh, this one was 1964, maybe April or May of 1964, this one.
Okay, well, that's not too long.
Yeah, and this is August, obviously, of 63.
Okay.
The thing here.
Now, the squiggly lines, all right?
I mean, the retouching is so obvious, you know, that, you know, something is going on with this guy here, and this is it.
This is the end.
In closing this post, the only reason one can imagine these grotesque alterations would have to be taken is that perhaps he was also part of the leafletting team that day, with which I agree, and his identity had to be concealed at all costs.
It's emblematic of the current state of affairs for the JFK assassination photographic evidence as proposed by Beverly Brunson in the late 1960s, where she concluded that all surviving photos and films have been altered.
If this is indeed Michael Payne, what was he doing there?
The man in question is indeed wearing the exact same attire as Lee and Raphael Cruz look alike.
Raphael Cruz, I have no doubt.
Part of setting up Lee Oswald, it was come as no surprise that apparently both pains would
actually be working in tandem to make this happen, where the details are beyond the scope of this
short blog. Larry, I think that's a very nice contribution.
Yeah. You know, it's looks, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you know,
yes.
Well, if you take your coat and you throw it over your back, your thumb should not be where you think he is.
That is so bizarre.
Yeah.
Now here you have something, a sequel that's really important too about some key players here in terms of the Pruder film, The Umbrella Man and The Cube.
Yeah.
I keep thinking about that article on Dateline, you know, where they show him there on the tarmac, you know, Jim and Gary, you know, this thing just opens up a whole new angle here, because this is real proof of Secret Service complicity, because if they've got that guy over there, right there on the tarmac within feet of JFK, you know, in a very, very
Restricted area.
I mean, how more restricted could that be?
You know, that means they knew who his identity and they felt comfortable with him being there.
And of course, you're talking about the Cuban is having.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're going to we're going to revisit that in a minute.
What we're doing here is replicating, reproducing, you know, the scene down there where he's got his fist up, you know, and Where many of us believe he was signaling to the driver, William Greer, to bring the limousine to a halt.
Absolutely.
The umbrella man is pumping the umbrella visible from all the shooter locations.
It indicates the target is still alive.
Keep shooting.
You know, I don't know of anybody who's ever looked at the Jeff Case, you know, if you've studied this and you know about these two individuals, you know, and Obviously, you know, what the role was, you know, that day.
And as you can see, this is the Botham.
No, this is the, I keep forgetting, the film taken from over the other way from, I believe, Commerce.
But it was still a ways where they still had to go in and touch his face here, you know?
Let me remind you that Josiah Thompson was recruited to do a series debunking conspiracy in the case of JFK for the New York Times.
It was going to have 50 different segments.
The very first was on the Umbrella Man.
And Tink was seeking to explain how there was an innocuous explanation for him being there, and that what you have to do in studying these matters is realize that all these pieces may have a simple explanation that's non-conspiratorial, but I published a piece about it just ripping it apart, and that was the only segment of the 50 plan that they actually produced.
I think they found the cost-benefit ratio was not what they wanted.
Mm-hmm.
Let me read this.
Let me read this, Gary.
No, from the top.
Okay, well, at the top.
Umbrella Man and his Cuban companion, who have long been the subject of many articles and books in the past, has possibly been members of a paramilitary-type operation in Dealey Plaza on 22 November, the centerpiece of a coup d'etat that day.
Both him, Towner, Willis, Rickerby, and other photographers caught these two dudes in action that day.
We've already described what they were performing.
Yeah.
And, and, and when you, this is why Blender is so, is so darn, you know, important and useful because it can confirm here, you know, how the sun was striking these two individuals that day, because Blender doesn't lie.
You know, it just, you know, gives you, you know, what the models are and how they react, you know, to the light source, you know, and how those shadows are going to fall.
You know, according to the sun as it was, you know, that day, November 22nd.
And, uh, and we have confirmed, you know, the position of the sun.
That's one of the most important, uh, parameters, you know, with the composition of the 3d composition.
And as you look here at umbrella, man, you can see that his hand is in the sun is visible and up here, you've got the same effect.
All right.
And his head is under the umbrella.
So it's in the shadow.
But this guy, you should be able to see his face.
Okay, right here.
And we know that he was wearing this beret type of hat.
He had glasses, you know, some sort of like a jacket like and brown shoes, even brown shoes I've seen in the images.
But Yeah, we're right here, right?
Okay, here.
Yep.
In Blender, using generic models, we get these images, obviously from different perspectives, where the Cuban was pumping his fist and Umbrella Man was pumping his umbrella up and down, which would appear to be some kind of signals.
As confirmation that our blender composition is correct, notice both above and below images show Umbrella Man's right hand in the sun, as well as the shadows that fall in the correct direction.
This indicates the position of the sun in our composition is correct.
Following this pattern, Cuban face man, Cuban man's face should be plainly visible as in the blender model with a shadow of his right arm and hand falling behind the individual.
Larry, I just say, given he's signaling the stop at this point, actually the limousine would have been at a halt.
You're showing it there.
It would have already been at a halt.
Because this is, uh, as, as of, uh, Z255 and the Alton six.
OK, that's that's what this image still represents.
And that from the research that I that I have done, that is would have been the position of both of them.
If you look at from the Z film, you can see the corner of the umbrella next to the Stemmons Freeway sign right here.
Yeah.
From the perspective of Zapruder coming this way, you can see the corner of the umbrella.
OK.
And frames as the As at this portion, you know, of the Z film.
So this is more or less, you know, where they were located at that time as of Z 255.
Okay, now.
The face of this individual appears to have been airbrushed over a technique seen in so many of the other images that have survived over the years.
The blender model's face is in full sunshine.
Yeah, this is the guy I'm talking about here.
Okay.
So let's... This is, of course, after the fact.
Everyone else is running around like a chicken with their head cut off, and the Umbrella Man and the Cuban are just sitting there, calm as can be, like nothing out of the ordinary had taken place.
They could be waiting for a cab.
Yeah.
I don't know of anybody who's ever studied the JFK explanation.
This in itself is so obvious proof, you know?
Uh, how can you explain this away?
You know, not that, uh, what was the name of that guy that they brought in, you know, at the HSCA, you know, to show his umbrella.
I don't even remember his name because it's not even really important, but, uh, yeah, they, they just sit, you know, there.
And, uh, here's a really good image that I was able to pull where we can see that, uh, he's, uh, he's got these heavy, uh, Very heavy glasses, yeah.
Let me say they're good at obliterating noses.
When you look at those photos at W in Dealey Plaza, they have messed with his nose.
There was some text there, Larry, if you want me to catch the text.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The bespeckled, dark-complected man is seen intently looking up Elm Street, but this is after the assassination has taken place.
Absolutely.
And we're starting to see a little bit of more detail on Yes.
And here's another one.
Here's another one.
Yeah, other images capture the Cuban speaking into a walkie talkie device and as he stands up the device can be clearly seen in his left back pants pocket.
And let's not forget that a lot of this work that we're going to see comes back to Jack White.
There you go.
The other image captures a Cuban speaking into a walkie talkie device.
As he stands up, the device can clearly be seen in his left back pants pocket.
And let's not forget that a lot of this work that we're going to see comes back to Jack
White.
Again, we stand on the shoulders of giants sometimes.
And sometimes we have to go back to his work.
You know, Jim, Jim Hicks, who claimed to be communication coordinator, has a strap for
one of these walkie talkies hanging out.
Yes, yes.
One of the Willis photos, you can see him.
Right, exactly, exactly.
So here he's, you know... This is like real close to right after the assassination where, you know, because the woman here is still, you know, sprawled, you know, she's on the...
On the grass, he's still laying on the grass and he's now just starting to, you know, accommodate himself there.
And this is one of the most egregious that I've ever seen where you can, he's clearly, you know, talking into that walkie talkie and he's looking down Elm Street as the motorcade has already disappeared, you know, under the triple underpass.
Yes.
And here's what Jack, here's what Jack did.
And, uh, Again, we proudly show this work, you know, because he did this and it's readily available, you know, and you can use it.
You know, I always like to cite his work like this.
And there he is.
That's what he was doing.
This image shows the outline of the Cuban as he talks into his walkie-talkie, courtesy of Jack White.
Here, the subject appears to be carrying a device in his left back pants pocket.
Yeah, and here it is, right here.
I mean, you can even see the antenna here where it's been, you know.
Yes.
And that would, that's that.
Okay.
Which brings us to possibly the weirdest coincidence of the day.
Cuban Man, or the Cuban, was the subject of a full-page spread in the journal Dateline Dallas in 1992.
This reproduction speaks for itself and is republished below.
We did but I can't you know I mean we uh this this one is important uh where this guy he's at Love Field they've located him in here in this picture within a few feet of Air Force One okay he uh goes down takes part of the in the in the assassination as a signal man then he's here at Parkland and he's just hanging out there you know in the He's got these cameras so he must have been passing as some kind of a photographer or journalist of some kind, you know, so and it's, you know, obviously the same guy, you know, so and I don't know what you know, what's your opinion?
What's your opinion of this is, but I think this is huge.
You know, this is, uh, well, it is huge Larry.
Cause it means that the secret service was comfortable having this guy in close proximity to JFK.
So they knew who he was before, during and after.
Yeah.
Before, during and after that's very good, Larry.
So he clearly played an important role here.
He's just on the right.
He's just a few feet from the president.
Yes.
Nobody gets that close to the front without being identifiable and known to the Secret Service.
That's right.
We can read the article here where it says the Umbrella Man and the Cuban.
Can you see that?
Have been a curious mystery by researchers.
Oh, let me see.
Yeah.
The Umbrella Man and the Cuban have been a curious mystery to researchers of the assassination for years.
Jack White of Fort Worth Created a display of the JFK Center showing the movements of these two suspicious people, which is extremely popular.
Figure 2 shows a Cuban sitting on the curb in Dealey Plaza next to the Umbrella Man.
Last year, Tom Blackwell of Dallas Donated the book, The Way We Were, by Robert McNeil to the Assassination Archives.
On page 23, staff members found a most interesting picture, figure one, that appears to be that of the Cuban in a scene at Parkland Hospital.
Isn't that amazing that such important photos would pop up, you know, in a least likely place, you know?
You know, Robert McNeil's assassination archives, you know.
Well, it's like finding the photograph of George Herbert Walker Bush in front of the book depository and Jesse Curry's JFK assassination file published only by 7-Eleven.
You never know where you're going to find these nuggets.
Yeah.
In the foreground of this picture seems to be our mystery man, the Cuban, leaning on a limousine from the motorcade.
The cameras hanging around his neck would have been a good way to go and notice because all the newsmen at the scene.
Is this the Cuban?
If it is, it makes what he was doing with the Umbrella Man in Dealey Plaza even more suspicious and significant.
I can't agree more.
Yeah.
Also, his picture has surfaced in a picture postcard taken at Love Field.
Figure three.
We found the pictures.
You make the call.
Write to the JFK Assassination Information Center.
Attention, the Cuban.
Photo 603 Munger Box 40 Dallas, Texas 75202 if you have any more information or photographs of the Parkland Hospital or Love Field scene.
I used to go down there to the AIC.
I went there a few times.
But this is just, you know, disgusting.
You know, this is but let's take it a little bit further here in 2004. Okay,
in 2004, researcher Marcel de Hasseler published this comparison of Cuban or dark-complected man
and identified him as convicted Cuban terrorist, virulent Kennedy hater, one-time doctor
Orlando Bosch, who at the time of the assassination was in a frenzy trying to organize the
removal of Fidel Castro from power in Cuba.
The question that begs to be answered is how this individual made it into the tarmac as Air Force
One was deplaning at Love Hill in Dallas, continued on to Elm Street in time to see and participate
in the JFK execution, then ended up at Parkland Hospital enjoying a front row
seat to the drama that was unfolding there as well.
Obviously, he was well-connected that day.
Larry, there's a fellow, I think it's De Santiago or whatever, that I think is another candidate.
Yeah, Felipe Vidal is another candidate.
But that guy didn't wear glasses like Bosch did, you know?
And the mustache and the profile, you know, who knows?
But, you know, I'm just throwing this out there, you know, that Marcel did, you know, because it's good work.
Possibly.
I'm just saying there's one other option of which I'm aware, to wit, that we've just mentioned.
Gary, your thoughts?
It's how twisted his neck and chin are.
And the one all the way to the left, he does have an odd, you know, like his chin bends.
And if you look at the one in the middle, that's what it's doing.
Oh, it's, uh, you know, this guy at the time was, you know, a very important pug, you know, and later on, you know, he fell out of favor, but it was because he was such a fanatic, you know, in the anti Castro thing.
And he would go to any means, you know, possible even assassinate, uh, assassination, you know, just to, uh, get, uh, you know, Fidel Castro removed, you know, from, from, uh, from power, you know, Now we move on to Umbrella Man.
Yeah, as far as Umbrella Man is concerned, Jack White did this study years ago, identified CIA operative Gordon Novell as the man pumping the umbrella during the assassination and apparently working in tandem as a signalman with Cuban Man.
In this context, they have probably been signaling the need for more shots because the mark had not been retired, but I believe that the Cuban was signaling Pull the limousine to a halt.
That was the fist.
He was upraised and the umbrella by pocket meant he's not dead yet.
Keep shooting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It could be.
It definitely could have had a specific, you know, signal, uh, task, you know, at the moment.
Yes.
I, I thought Jack did brilliant work, you know, on this and we're going to look at this here applying, uh, the same, Techniques that we have applied for, you know, identifying the man in the doorway and the same technique as the Backyard Man photos, you know, where we identified Roscoe White as the man who stood in for the photos and then did the matte insert, you know, the face.
And it's very interesting.
I just wanted to, as an aside, I was looking at this video that supported the Backyard Man photos.
Being authentic and they did a grid measurement of the just the face like we did.
Okay, but they just did this part.
Okay.
They did not do the entire head.
Okay, like we did which proved that Lee's head could not fit in there.
All right.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
And so which proves that this this is the same technique that was used, you know for the autopsy photos, you know where they inserted, you know, a perfect You know, scalp, head, you know, in the back, you know, where there really wasn't a vault hole, you know, in the occipital parietal area, you know, there, but using the same technique with the overlays and the probe and the known photo.
And we've got enough elements here as we had with the man in the doorway to get, you know, pretty good overlays and data coming out of this one here.
And the first is side by side.
Okay.
We're first just getting those known features here.
Again, the hairline here is very telling.
The shape of the head, the position of the chin, the ear, okay, the nose.
There's some kind of artifact here that we obviously we cannot take into consideration.
Obviously, that's not part of the head there.
Okay, but The above side-by-side appears to be a good candidate for digital overlays, as explained in earlier work.
Despite the blurriness of the probe image, these are very interesting overlays which emerge.
And here, so first we've got this 0%, then we jump to 25, okay, then we go to 35, and then we go to 50% on the opacity.
then we go to 35 and then we go to 50% on the opacity. And, you know, again, what comes out is a
pretty, pretty good identification here of Gordon Novell being Umbrella Man.
Like Jack, you know, so brilliant.
That just says Jack had conjectured.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But like, again, now with this, the technology that's around now, when Jack wasn't, Well, there was, but we weren't applying it because Photoshop has been around for, my God, 30 years at least, you know, and just using, you know, his same images, you know, which is, and look, the neck is perfect, you know, fits perfectly, you know.
That's very telling.
Forehead slop, general head contour, eye socket, hairline, ear position, chin, brow ridge, and neck all appear to match a known photo of Gordon Novell.
Jack White just might have nailed this one.
And here's your animated gif, you know, which again, we have been, you know, trained to, you know, how to look at these, you know, and the least, the less movement, Then uh you know that you have a positive ID and and uh I think uh we do have a positive ID here.
It's not a match.
Yeah that uh it it was and and and let's not forget Gore Novell was not just you know uh he was a very Sophisticated technician.
He could do anything that, you know, had to do with eavesdropping.
In fact, it was suspected that he's the one that actually bugged Garrison's offices.
All right.
So this guy, he was very, very well trained in the area of surveillance, audio surveillance and bugging and that kind of thing.
Gary, just as you did with Billy Lovelady and Lee in terms of Back Door Man, I'd like you to do both Santiago and Bosch for Cuba.
It all depends on the perspectives, you know.
Oh, I know, I know, whether you can find the available photographs, but I suspect you will be able to do that.
Yeah, so that's just, you know, an update, you know, on a couple of things that have been But the big thing right now, obviously, is the Oliver Stone movie and how that's going to impact, you know, any decision going forward of the government to finally, you know, release the what needs to be released.
Again, I you know, a lot of people are giving this Morley thing a lot of importance.
I don't think that's really important in the whole context of the thing.
OK, yes.
You know, this had to do with these Cubans that were being run by the CIA guy, you know, and Lee.
was you know was in that group.
Yeah.
It's a red herring.
What could be more obvious?
That's what Morley does.
He's a fraud.
I have published about him in the past, as I have about many other of these phony groups that pretend to be experts, even most disappointingly Josiah Thompson, whom I once admired.
Okay, I'll throw this at you.
Between the discovery of, and the thing of Morley insisting with the Giornini thing, and the discovery of the three Mexican presidents who were CIA assets, which to you are the most important, the most relevant, and the most have more to do with this case?
Of course, of course, of course.
And Larry, beginning next week, we're going to look at Oliver Stone's film in segments, and we're going to dissect it very much along the lines we've done tonight.
Gary, I think this has been sensational.
I'm so glad we're back in the saddle again.
Larry continues to do sensational work.
Take us out, my friend.
You got it.
All right.
We'll be back next week with JFK Show number 262.
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