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Feb. 22, 2021 - Jim Fetzer
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The Raw Deal with Pamela and James Files (21 February 2021)
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This is Jim Fetzer, host of Raw Deal, where I'm very pleased to have as my special featured guest today, Pamela Rae Files, who is the wife of James Files, who may or may not be among the assassins of JFK, where We know a lot about him from interviews he's given before, and where I'm very glad to have this opportunity to discuss with Pam, who played a key role in authoring his books about the assassination, and where this is a nice overview from their blog, Primary Target JFK, How the CIA Used the Chicago Mob to Kill the President,
Pamela Ray Files with James Files, the Grassy Knoll Shooter, where they had a great year in 2020, meeting a lot of people around the country.
They were in Dallas and she's beginning her blog.
Here's a photo of James at the Grassy Knoll behind the pictures.
Pam, let me just begin right off by inviting you to comment on You know, the big picture.
Okay.
The big picture, wow.
That's real big.
And for the longest time, I was trying to understand what was going on.
I didn't understand what the big picture was until 1997.
I don't want to go into that whole story.
That's in my other interview that I did with Daniel Fazzina.
That's that Divine Intervention interview.
So that's on our website if anybody wants to hear that whole story.
But the big picture has led me to try and figure out who is behind, not just the JFK assassination, but all the deep state things that keep going on since then.
And how our country, basically, I thought there was a coup d'etat in 1963 where our country was militarily taken down by The bad guys.
Right now, the same thing's happening, but by the good guys.
But there's not going to be, hopefully, anybody assassinated, because James Files has been telling me in my ear a few times that character assassination precedes physical assassination, and has Donald Trump been character assassination any time recently?
Yes.
Long time.
Big picture, yeah.
Long time.
So we pray every day for Donald Trump.
We pray for this country.
We pray for a lot of things because I mean, right now the big picture is there's a battle going on and there's a bunch of people that are in a position to do something about the evil that's been going on for a long time and our country is We're at a tipping point right now where we have to choose which side we want to be on and choose the right side and just turn this thing around in our country because
It's so big.
I didn't see, here's the thing, when I was writing our book, I've been writing books for a long time since James Files asked me in September of 2000 to write To Kill a Country.
So, I mean, of all things, writing a book to kill a country and then have to watch and live through 9-11 and all this stuff with an understanding about what's really going on and feeling like, I'm in a bad movie watching all these things happen, and I know it's deep state-sponsored terrorism.
It's not the official story they're putting out.
And I just, for the longest time, was so frustrated.
I didn't think that...
Anything good was happening.
I thought the bad guys had won and, you know, we're gonna have to shoot it out when they come to, you know, kick our door down and make us think of vaccine and join the New World Order.
I'm like, what?
There's a real plan going on where the good guys are winning and they're making all these things around?
So if I would have realized all this when I was writing our book, my book would be totally different.
I mean, the story that's in there is What James Files told, but my other understanding about the big picture, it still would have led to the all roads lead to Rome and the Vatican being, you know, one of the main players of where all this comes from.
But I had no idea this was going on with Trump this whole time.
And I'm humbled.
I'm totally humbled that it's been such a stealth operation that even us big picture conspiracy theory people I mean, unless you really are digging through the Q posts and know how to interpret it and understand what's going on, I didn't know.
And I was busy writing our book and taking pictures and making things right.
You know, it's a lot more fun to read a book than write a book, as you well know.
It's a lot of work.
So putting that out and all that information, I was distracted and I was just, yay, yay, rah, rah, Trump, yeah, go, four more years.
Oh, look at all the people.
He's, you know, he's got the country behind him now, right on.
You know, I didn't really get into any studying about it because I thought it was going to be okay.
And then when they started talking about what's going to happen if there's election fraud, you know, what if Trump won't leave the White House?
I'm like, what?
They're planning on They're going to do that?
I didn't even understand that was going on at the time.
So this has been a real process for me and I'm on my website, I'm posting current events and kind of like unveiling in my perception of what's going on.
Because my studies over the years, besides understanding all this stuff about the JFK assassination, it's led me to try to understand the New World Order.
Because in the book To Kill a Cat Tree, Jimmy wasn't even interested in really talking about The New World Order.
I thought it was so important that we try and warn people about it that we had to put it in there as part three of the book.
Part one is the JFK assassination.
Part two, overthrowing Chile, state-sponsored terrorism, death squads, Operation Condor, all that kind of stuff.
And then that's the example, and you know, all the stuff that happened in Vietnam, all the drug running, all that CIA involvement, and then tying it together with the secret societies, the Illuminati, the New World Order, and the Jesuits, that was part three.
And so, gosh, I've been preaching to the choir for a long, long time, and then now I'm starting to find out The Protestant churches are even involved.
You said big picture, so I'm just talking.
The Protestant churches are cowering by... Oh my gosh, I can't even talk about it.
They are controlled by...
The Jesuits have controlled the Protestant churches through the 501c3 tax-exempt status to take full control of what they can and can't talk about at church.
So the truth isn't even being told at church.
That's where I started my journey at church, asking the Lord, Hey, what's going on?
Nobody can tell me.
Nobody's told me the truth.
So it's been a really long, long journey trying to figure out the truth.
Sorting through all the lies and the propaganda, it's hard.
It's hard to understand, but what I always say to people is, we learn from each other.
Nobody knows it all.
We all learn from each other.
If we just humble out, have a heart that's teachable, then I think we can all learn from each other, calm down, and our country can turn around for the better.
And I just hope that's what's really going on, and we're not getting fooled again, but I really have confidence that Our President Trump is doing a very, very good job in the shadows right now, and it's bigger than we can even imagine.
So, that's where I'm at.
It's very interesting you make those observations, because they pretty closely overlap with my understanding of the situation we're in, where it appears as though Trump anticipated they would attempt to steal the election.
He, of course, had overcome their efforts to rig the election for Hillary back in 2016, where there was a tremendous outpouring of voters, especially in rural counties.
That enabled him to succeed, and then again in 2020 when they had it renewed, again he was winning overwhelmingly, so they had to stop the count in order to adjust by dumping in hundreds of thousands more Biden votes and then fixing the algorithm so Biden would maintain a slight lead like 50.7 to 49.5.
In order to guarantee he would turn out to be the winner, even though it was actually a landslide for Trump, based upon the legitimate votes that were cast, but where frankly, Pamela, I was just dumbfounded when the Supreme Court declined to hear the Texas case, which would have been an opportunity to set all this straight.
Even today, and I don't know, maybe you've seen the report, they're announcing whether they're going to hear the cases from about Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia.
I don't think Wisconsin was on that list.
They had a conference on Friday about Docketing these various cases.
And today they're announcing and Thursday, if they have declined, they'll be giving their explanation or opinions of why they declined.
But I'm very disturbed that the court hasn't been playing its appropriate role within our society and is allowing a kind of formal lawlessness in the states violating their
own prescriptions about how these elections are being conducted, allowing endless mail-in
ballots where they haven't even been requested, where they have no signature verification, they're
disregarding the postmark.
I mean, it's simply stunning what's been going on here.
Right. We've been following it ever since, well, all along, but especially since November.
And then the court cases that you just mentioned, we were hoping that different outcomes would, they would at least listen to it.
You know what I'm saying?
They'd at least entertain the thought that they were going to try to pretend that they were doing something right and fair and just for our system.
But it's just, it doesn't seem like it exists in our system anymore.
Until there's an overhaul, a reset, a Great Awakening, whatever people are calling it, I don't know how we're going to have it in our system.
Until the Department of Justice, the FBI, the CIA is overhauled, I don't see how any of it can change.
Just to echo some of your prior sentiments, I do believe Trump has been on top of this and the executive order he signed on 12 September 2018 about foreign interference in US elections gave him extraordinary authority With regard to the Dominion voting machines which are based in Canada, the Cidal tabulator service based in Spain, the Leonardo satellites that are out of Italy, and domestic media that aided and abetted the theft of the election.
So I believe that the military is actually in charge now and that The inauguration was fraudulent, just as fake as the election.
In fact, my research suggests the guy that was supposed to be the president today isn't even Joe Biden, the senator from Delaware.
He has a different shape of skull, eyes are a different color, all that.
He writes left-handed until he was corrected.
He has a different signature.
I mean, it's very stunning because I was making these points before the electoral vote.
In fact, after the first debate, I began reporting how this appeared to be a different guy.
Did you pick up on any of that?
Oh, yeah.
Jim and I have been talking about it all along.
Uh, he noticed it right away, and then I started researching it a little bit, and then I think, I don't know if it was your report, but you know, with the eyes, the signature, you know, all that.
This is a different person.
And that doesn't even look like the real White House.
And there's like, cars parked right behind his desk.
You know, what is that?
I've heard it's Castle Rock Theater Productions in, what, Hollywood?
They're all over in California?
I mean, have they moved the production over there to Washington, D.C.?
I mean, what is this?
It's a movie we're watching!
I think that's right, and there are all kinds of signs that it's elaborate deception.
The inauguration was pre-recorded.
Yeah, the guy over in Spain, he was watching it, what, 10 hours, 11 hours before it was even supposed to be live, and they were broadcasting it live in Spain.
When I was watching it go down here, I was paying attention to the clock and it was 10 or 15 minutes too early, meaning it was still during the Trump administration, which meant it was legally invalid.
And a friend of mine was checking different channels and they were showing different parts of the inauguration, though it was allegedly being broadcast live.
And of course they had spectacular fireworks at the end, but no one in Washington seems to have seen it.
I mean, Pamela, this is really stunning in its dimensions.
It is.
Jim, do you want to talk about the election a little bit, just for a second?
No, you don't at all.
Because he's a strong Trump supporter.
He wears his Trump hat everywhere.
We live in a pretty liberal neighborhood, let's put it that way.
Um, and we don't care.
He's outspoken about it and we just believe, yeah, we just believe that this is one of our last chances for this country to really, like I said, when I found out that this plan was in place, what happened for me to open my eyes to this, to finally wake up, um, about this part of it with, you know, turning to the military, it's like, I've been watching elections a long time.
I used to get involved at church and have voter registration drives and I was part of Christian Coalition, Pat Roberts, all that long time ago.
So I got pretty, pretty much over it, but I've been watching it for a long time and one thing or another, and I'm like, well, Trump is in charge and he's sending all those National Guard to Washington DC and they're putting the fences up and Wires and all this stuff's going on.
This isn't right.
This isn't normal.
I mean, Trump, I don't question him.
He's our president.
He's doing a good job.
But what is this?
This is not normal.
This is just so not normal.
I don't even begin to know how to process it.
So somebody was reporting on what was going on there with the troops.
And I heard him say something that referred to It sounded like a military term and he said belligerent occupation.
And I'm like, what's that?
That sounds like a military term.
Basically, the military is in control while there's a belligerent occupation called the Biden administration going on right now.
That's the legal term.
Military part, but they they're doing the art of war and they're keeping all their cards close to their chest and they're not they're not letting people really know if you can read between the lines and read and understand to and all the things that are I Just can't I I just looked at that part alone and I said I'm gonna I'm gonna really think about this.
I'm gonna study this There's a book online.
It's the whole military jag book about number 11 Military occupation and belligerent occupation.
So I just studied that all night on the 20th.
That's all I could console myself with because I thought they were all going to get arrested and Trump was going to stay in power.
I thought it would be good, but it didn't turn out that way.
And I'm not the only one that had those feelings.
A lot of people were let down when that happened, but that was to be expected.
What's happening right now is it's a public opinion operation.
They've got to switch the amount of people in America that are awake from, you know, less than 50% to more than 50% because right now we're still below.
So we need to get up past that.
And then once that happens, I think more and more information can come out and you probably are aware of all people of what's really going on and what's going on underneath the Capitol and underneath the White House.
Hillary and her adrenochrome, you know, addiction and, you know, she's just the tip of the iceberg of all the different people that are involved in that and the sex trafficking with children.
You know, it just gets so horrible.
Most people can't process it.
I've been studying how horrible MKUltra, all this stuff, for a long time so I can handle that.
I'm okay.
You know, it doesn't freak me out.
I need to, you know, Go see a psychiatrist.
It's okay.
It's not okay.
It's been happening.
But it doesn't shock my system because I've known about it.
But most people don't know about all that.
So that's going to be a hard hump to get over to get people awake and what's really going on.
Because that has to come out in the open too.
I don't know if you've heard it or not, but you probably have because you're pretty tuned in.
You know a lot more than I do.
Jeffrey Epstein was supposed to be there on January 6th, but that's not what ended up happening.
Have you heard about that?
You mean at the Capitol during the intrusion?
Yeah, he was supposed to be there.
and making some kind of an appearance and having all sorts of evidence
and exposing people on that day in particular.
But instead the riots happened, he escaped and then Mike Pence got arrested
and Andrews Air Force Base and then, have you heard all these things?
I mean, what's real, what's not?
Well, I think that's the question.
And after all, you see James Sullivan, the brother of John who's Antifa provocateur
going to his brother led 226 Antifa members into the Capitol posing as supporters
to disrupt the discussion of the election fraud in a point I've been making.
Why would Trump have any motive?
I mean, he would have precisely the opposite.
Not only, of course, as his defense team demonstrated conclusively on day four, was there no indictment?
Was there no insurrection?
But what perhaps they didn't emphasize sufficiently, he had no motive whatsoever for wanting there to be a disruption of the discussion of the evidence of election fraud.
Pelosi, who's in charge of the Capitol Police, aided and abetted by Chuck Schumer, by the mayor of Washington, and a host of others, where we now know, even the New York Times has reported, that the FBI has discovered it was planned in advance, which of course immediately destroyed the idea that Trump had performed incitement Which is imminent lawless action by having both the intent and the specificity telling them what to do, which of course was contradicted by his actual observations of encouraging them to be peaceful and patriotic in raising their voices in opposition to the theft of the election, because if we don't fight, we're not going to have a country left.
Which in my opinion was exactly right, spot on, where what was going on at the Capitol was all manufactured and staged.
I think you may or may not have seen a video where you, it's around 21 minutes long, where you actually see the stage managers and directors in the crowd telling them where to go and what to do, followed up by the stage shooting of Ashley, which appears to be completely fake.
I mean, I could go on at great length, which I shall not here now, but it's obvious.
This was a classic false flag operation, you know, to blame it on Trump supporters when it was Nancy who were orchestrating the entire event.
Yeah.
What's really on my heart and on my mind right now is that they want to push gun legislation, so that you know what that means.
There's going to be some false flag, mass shootings, and right now the kids aren't in school, people aren't in church, so where are people gathering right now?
Tell me.
The only place you really see a congregation of people is at the stores.
In the mall or the store, you know, there's people.
Where else?
I mean, you can't go to a game or anything.
I mean, there's no people anywhere.
You make the interesting point, Pamela, that if you want to stage a mass shooting, there's a dearth of targets.
I mean, where are you going to do it?
I think you make a really good point.
But that's what's next.
I hate to say it, but that's what's next, because if they're allowing the Democrats to do their fake thing for a while here, they really want to push the gun grab, and the only way that they can focus the attention on that is to have another Mass shooting that's that's instigated by them and you probably know as much as anybody during the Obama administration and all the different school shootings and mass shootings it was it was all about the gun rap and about changing people's mind about wanting the second amendment to stay the way it is so you know that that's coming and unless Trump steps in right away and comes back
Oh my gosh, I just, I don't want any of the children hurt.
I don't want people hurt, but that's what they do.
Pamela, Pamela, Pamela, these have been stage orchestrated events and nobody died at Sandy Hook.
Nobody died in Parkland.
I brought together experts and published books and Amazon has banned about these matters.
Nobody even died in Las Vegas.
I mean, I'm telling you, the amount of- Nobody died in any of the mass shootings?
The ones we're talking about, absolutely.
Nobody died.
They were fake.
Okay, I understand that about some of the school shootings, but all of them?
There's really no dead people?
There's no dead people.
Let me give you the ones that I can go into in great detail.
Sandy Hook, Boston Bombing, Orlando and Dallas, Charlottesville, Parkland, Las Vegas.
Even in Las Vegas that was all crisis actors and nobody died in Las Vegas?
There were a lot of bona fide attendees at the concert, but they'd infiltrated it with about, well, several hundred crisis actors that were recruited by Crowds on Demand, which is an outfit in LA.
It was a movie, Pamela!
They ran a pre-recorded soundtrack of machine gun fire through the PA system.
And then they had flashing lights on the fourth floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel to correspond, to make it look like it was a machine gun fire.
And they had a guy in the crowd who came up and fired into the crowd, but it was only blanks.
I could go on at great length.
One of my Facebook fans at the time, I still had access.
Reached out to the three closest hospitals and asked to have any, you know, injured gunshot victims been admitted to the hospital.
The three closest and they all three replied, no, not a single gunshot victim had been admitted.
And when the third helpfully added, I think you're talking about that drill they had the other day, you better check with the local police.
And we're a colleague of mine, Mona Alexis Presley, has done brilliant work on the obituaries.
She discovered when they weren't merely photoshopped variations of one another, they were based on persons who died in different states or on different dates or from different causes of death.
And she even tracked down the Crime map, the Las Vegas crime map for the square mile around the concert.
And Pamela, there are only routine events.
There are only about, oh, 16 routine events, breaking and entering, assault and battery, recovered, not a single violent act, no acts of shooting whatsoever.
Okay, so no church shooting, no school shooting, nobody's dead.
My research suggests that they're all fake, even the Charleston church shooting.
I live in Chicago where shooting is real and it makes blood and real dead people.
And, you know, I don't understand how all these mass shootings could be where nobody died.
But OK, I get it now.
It's all staged and it's all part of the show.
There's still a lot of pressure from the Democrats that they want to take away our guns and that is the only thing keeping the New World Order from asserting themselves is that people in this country are armed and they can defend themselves and I think All the other talk is just talk.
We have to defend our right to bear arms for the reason of resisting a tyrannical government.
Pamela, we're in 100% agreement.
I have a website called JimTheConspiracyGuy.com.
65 shows I did.
About these kinds of events are presented there, including one on the Second Amendment and the politics of gun control.
I think one of the mistakes the Democrats made here was by talking about defunding the police.
Because if you can't call the police to assist you because they're armed, if you are not armed, then you're at the mercy of whoever breaks into your home.
Right.
Well Americans aren't going to give up their guns, Pamela, I'm telling you.
If they want the shortest distance between Washington D.C.
You know, the sales of weapons in this country has just skyrocketed.
Oh, I know it has.
Well, Americans aren't going to give up their guns, Pamela.
I tell you.
If they want the shortest distance between Washington, DC, and Civil War, just go forward
with these absurd gun control confiscation regulation measures, because we know gun confiscation precedes
mass slaughter.
Right.
Dave Hodges of the Common Sense Show years ago explained how in the 20th century there were 19 demo signs Where the whole society was wiped out by their government, each of which was preceded by gun confiscation.
We aren't going to let America become number 20.
Right, right.
Oh, so.
But I know that's a lot, you know, and I'd love it for you to go to check out.
I have an order for about 15 or 20.
I will check out all your videos on the Massey.
I wanted to say something.
I cannot hear him.
He's talking about last June when the gangbangers across the street had a shootout.
Two guys got hit over in the garage across the street, but nobody died.
But when they returned fire, the other guys, they were right in front of our house, and our house got hit, and the bullets came right through our window, and one just barely missed my head.
Wow, yeah.
Well, all that is, of course, taking place, and Chicago is one of the most gun-violence-laden communities, because they, you know, if they Ban guns.
If they didn't make Chicago a free fire zone for the pervs, if they would not know who civilian might be armed and who not, this crime rate would drop dramatically.
So, Lloyd Lightfoot and these other progressive Democrats have their head where the sun doesn't shine.
They don't understand the relationship between guns and crime.
Americans use guns to defend themselves all the time, millions of times a year.
And most of those would turn out very differently were they not armed.
So I'm telling you, I'm convinced Americans will not give up their guns.
And if Biden or anyone else tries to take them from the American people, they're not going to be happy with the outcome.
No, and I know President Trump wants to avoid civil war at all costs.
He does not want us fighting each other.
He wants us to choose to be on the good guy's side and fight the bad guys, not each other, you know, the deep state.
He wants us to wake up and understand who the real enemy is, and that's not You know, whether it's a Democrat, Republican, a black or a white person, it's the people that make us slaves on their plantation, all of us, whether we're black, white or anything.
We just have to reset and our banks taken back and our government taken back by honest people, not, you know, child molesting cannibals.
We have to have honest, reliable elections.
We just have to get our country back or otherwise it's It's all done, but they're crying.
Let's go back to Dealey Plaza as one of the most spectacular false flags, where parties other than those responsible were blamed for an outcome that had enormous historical and political ramifications.
Here we have James about one of his talks, I Killed JFK.
Here's another where he's given a lecture about the assassination.
He's done quite a bit about this.
Those were videos that we made for, we went to Dallas in August and then we said we'd be back in November, so we just put a few videos out.
Yeah, sure.
telling people a little bit about the story and then that we were going to be back in
Dallas if they wanted to come there and meet us. So that's why we made those videos.
Yeah, sure. Well, look, what I want to do is get your take of James' view about a number of these
issues. Here, according to his testing, the shot he fired entered in the vicinity of the right temple.
That corresponds with what Malcolm Kilduff said, of course, during the announcement of the president's death at 1 p.m.
in Dallas at the time.
Here we have the official account of the assassination, of course, a lone demented gunman firing from the sixth floor window three shots.
Give us how James would critique this assessment here, the official account.
What?
You want me to comment, or you want him to comment?
Well, I'd be glad if he could, but I took it he preferred you speak today, but if he wanted... Right, but you want me to just tell you where he was at, or what do you want me to tell you?
No, no, I want you... This is supposed to be the big picture according to the government.
I want James' opinion about how wrong it is.
And what would it be a more accurate presentation?
We can go further once more to the disappear from the whole movie, Pamela.
It's so short.
I'll play it and then I want you know your and James reaction to both.
Here we go and you see of course it's edited so we don't have the turn from Houston on down all of a sudden boom there's Approaching the Stamets Freeway sign and then of course it goes forward and we're going to see what's supposed to be frame 313 is supposed to be when he's hit right there.
Jackie climbs up after a chunk of Jack's skull and brains as it disappears under the triple underpass.
Now Let me play it once more for those, just to refresh the audience, what's going on here.
I want to get your and James' take about the official account and about the whole movies, in particular the Zapruder film, in terms of what it depicts here.
What it's got wrong, what it's got right, if anything at all.
Just so we can know where James stands in relation to the big picture about the assassination in Dallas.
Okay, well he has never been interested in the big picture.
That was always my department.
He lived in Chicago and he worked for the outfit, the Chicago Mob, and he also worked for the CIA and he didn't talk about what they did or I did it.
They didn't talk about that kind of stuff.
Are you saying he was working for Sam Giancana?
He was working for Sam Giancana, but directly with Charles Nicoletti, and he answered to Sam, and Sam answered to Tony Accardo.
And that's the pecking order in Chicago, but then there was an overseer of Accardo that was Hyman Larner.
We can get to their buy-and-buy.
part of the story. But yeah, as far as who ordered it and who covered it up, he was not
curious about any of it.
We can get to their buy and buy. I'm just wondering, your take based upon all the knowledge
you've acquired from James about his involvement and so forth, what is your assessment of the
official account?
How wrong is it?
How many shooters were there?
Where were they located?
How many shots were fired?
How wrong is the Warren Report?
Granted that we both agree it's a fable, it's a fantasy, it's a fairy tale.
It's very wrong, and it got it very wrong, and Oswald was just what he said he was.
He was set up as a patsy.
I believe James Files was shooting from behind the picket fence, and he took the one last fatal headshot that had a mercury round in the Remington XP100 Fireball, and it basically expanded once it hit, and that's why there's a big blowout in the back of his head.
And that's why all the evidence and all the, um, just basically the evidence, the physical evidence, the president's body and the limousine, uh, were the crime scene and those were both altered.
And Oswald didn't fire a shot that day.
He's guilty of showing Jimmy around Dallas the week before the assassination.
He's guilty of holding spent brass out when they were test-firing weapons.
Oswald didn't fire any weapons.
Jimmy was test-firing weapons, and Oswald was picking up the brass, so he got some nitrates in the palm of his hand, which did not reflect anything about a paraffin test later, showing positive that he did not fire a rifle on that day.
So, the Warren Commission is a farce, a fairytale.
It's the back of our book.
100 years from now, all the history books, or most of the history books, are going to say that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone assassin, there wasn't a conspiracy, and once the government tells a lie, they have to live their lie.
So that's how we think about it.
We think it's a big farce, it's a cover-up, a lot of innocent people have died in the process of this being covered up for the last 50 plus, almost 60 years.
Yeah, the government will do anything to get their people in power, keep them in power, and it's all about power, and it's all about profits.
As you well know, the Vietnam War, the contracts had been handed out for that war to go forward, the Federal Reserve had been put on notice, the secret societies had been put on notice by JFK, so his days were numbered.
And so, he had a lot of powerful enemies, I hope you can read our new book, Primary Target, JFK,
how the CIA used the Chicago mob to kill the mafia, I mean, to kill the president,
because a lot of the things that people have, their common questions about the story
and about the questions, the follow-up questions, they're all in our new book, Primary Target, JFK.
And there's the supporting documents from Joe S. Court case,
the letters that Joe S. wrote to James Files in Staples Prison,
the attempts on James Files' life because he dared tell the truth.
It's not just about JFK, they're trying to kill him for that.
He's the last person that can tie Hillary to drugs on a plane over in Mena, Arkansas.
So, when she was running for president in 2016, even after he was out of prison, there were more attempts on his life.
Long story.
We put it in our book, and if anybody's interested in all these details about what we really feel about the big picture, That's my part of the story, and then Jimmy's part is just telling the story from, you know, the Harlow girl all the way back to getting the weapons back to this guy named Wolfman, his friend that gave him the Mercury round that he, you know, used in his special gun to do the assignment.
So, one thing that's in the book that's never been revealed in any other JFK books is the CIA debriefing James Files took with David Atlee Phillips.
At the Midway Hangar there on Cicero Avenue here in Chicago.
And all that detail is there.
It was a recorded debriefing with David Phillips and James Files, maybe like two weeks after the assassination.
Is that what you said?
Ten days after.
And as far as he knows, that tape might still exist in this place called The Vault.
And that's a secret place where the CIA has all sorts of things to look at.
And, um, that is what's in our book.
And so people, if they want the real story, they get the real story from Jimmy and then they get my understanding about the bigger picture and, uh, the ties to all the different parts of the deep state.
Not a big, uh, big book about that, but I allude to it so that people can, uh, on their own, if they were interested in the JFK assassination, it seems like it's a door that people walk through to try to start understanding what happens.
There's my understanding that I hope that helps people want to research more and find out, okay, maybe LBJ was part of it, but you know, not just let it sit there.
You know, okay, maybe Ellen Dulles was part of it.
Okay, don't let it just sit there.
Okay, Ed Lansdale was there in Beauty Plaza.
But don't let it just sit there.
You know, I'm saying, everybody, look at where these players were in our society as a whole back then, and you can see how through history they've been doing the same thing.
And until we had Donald Trump, nobody has challenged him on it.
Do you understand that this is the first time in our history?
I don't know.
Maybe it happened and I didn't know about it, but this is the first time these guys have ever been confronted.
And I just I hope they don't kill Donald Trump and I hope he can pull it off and I'm praying every day that all the bad things that happened in the JFK assassination to our country can be fixed with Donald Trump.
E. Howard Hunt was on his deathbed, or so he believed.
He gave a confession to his son, St.
John, whom I have met, that the chain of command went from LBJ to Court Myer, who was then in charge of ops for the CIA, to David Attlee Phillips, whom you mentioned, to William Harvey, to David Sanchez Morales.
Would you or Chiefs have any reason to question that that might have been the chain of command?
I would like James Files to comment on that, please, Jimmy.
No?
Okay.
Well, I think everything was pretty compartmentalized, and so what Howard Hunt understood, knew, and never was privy to in conversation.
Jimmy said that they didn't talk when an operation happened, but I don't know if Howard Hunt and David Atlee Phillips ever talked, you know?
I don't know, because I know James Files doesn't have every last detail of every part of this assassination story.
Nobody could.
That very well could be that on his deathbed he was confessing that that, to the best of his knowledge, that was what he understood.
But I always defer back to anything that, if I'm questioning it or if it doesn't match with what I've been told, how it happened by James Files.
Then I have to kind of wonder, well, why would Howard Hunt embellish anything?
Or why would he throw another name into it?
Or maybe he wasn't embellishing it or throwing another name into it.
It's just James Files didn't know anything about that.
Because, like you said a long time ago to me, he's the least curious person in the world.
As opposed to me, I'm the most curious person and I want to know what's going on.
And, you know, the real story and the truth.
I want to know that.
So, he hasn't had that desire like I have.
Jimmy wants to say something.
Well, we run an operation, doesn't matter if it's an assassination or an arson, we carry out a black ops and we do something.
We never discuss it later for the simple reason, why would you talk to other people about it and have them betray you when they call and have other people where you wind up getting arrested or you wind up being called before Congress.
Every time I ran an operation, I used a different alias.
In 1998, when Bill Clinton's president, Janet Reno, was there, they ran a raid on one of my safe houses in Wisconsin.
They had 18 of my passports.
All my pictures, each one had been stamped, MIA or KIA, because I never used the same name twice on something like that.
So therefore, if we don't talk about it, if you go rob a bank and you come home and you tell your friend, yeah, man, I robbed a bank the other day, you wind up going to prison.
It's the same thing as black cops, Pauline.
You don't usually go to prison, you usually wind up dead.
Of course.
So we always had a basic habit, never discuss operations.
With Charles Nicoletti and me, he used to tell me, Jimmy, once we do something, we whack a guy, we don't talk about it later.
You never know who's going to hear you.
And one morning, Chuck and me was talking, and Betsy Burke got his car and his overbill, and fingers moving around up on the back of the seat and underneath the headrest.
electronic bug.
The FBI was listening to us.
I made the motion to Chuck to be quiet.
We got out of the car, went for a walk in the park, and then I told him what was going
on in the car.
So they had his car bugged.
So this is why you don't ever speak of anything you carried out that was illegal.
That's the code that we use.
Right.
But of course, James, you've done just the opposite regarding your involvement with JFK,
making a video about it, confessing about it.
The whole thing was this.
I went to Stateville.
Before I went to Stateville, I was writing a book to kill a country based on the country of Chile.
When I got through with Chile, or got probably through the book, I just went to bed with Pamela and asked her to help me write the book.
Well, mostly JFK.
But, it wasn't what I wanted.
But, when I started to come out with the book, I refused to let the CIA edit what I had wrote.
And I was in violation of the OSA because I had signed a contract under the OSA.
So when I did that, they started trying to portray me as a lone nut like Lee Harvey Oswald.
And I said, no, you're not going to make me look like a lone nut.
And then we got in an argument and it went from there.
But a woman by the name of Kathy Safer came from the National Security Agency and threatened me to charge me, give me another five years for talking.
And I told her, please do that.
Take me to court, indict me, give me another five years.
I can't wait to put my hand on the Bible and pray to God to tell the truth.
She stormed out.
The FBI later come and threatened me.
And I wound up going back on the same case that I was on and they gave me an extra 30 years.
And like I said, I did a lot more time than I had to do.
All in all.
And you came forward because Joe West was working with you to try and come forward.
Not anything on your own, though.
But when they tried to retrieve me as an alumni, I said, no, I ain't taking that one.
It was an alumni in regards to the overthrow of Allende and putting Pinochet in power in Chile, not JFK, just so people are clear on that one.
It had nothing to do with JFK.
My time in prison shooting a police officer I didn't shoot had nothing to do with JFK.
It was all about Nina Arkansas.
So, like I say, there's a lot in my life that's never come out.
I don't want it out there.
I must put a lot of stuff in the books and things never before.
I'm not happy with it, but I mean, if you put the truth in there, that's what it is.
I don't like doing interviews.
I don't want to do no more interviews.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let me just squeeze in two or three questions, and I appreciate all of this.
How many shooters were there altogether, James?
To my knowledge, there was only two.
First of all, any shooter in his right mind would not want a headshot.
Now Lee Harvey Oswald was a very intelligent man.
He wasn't stupid like everybody makes him out to be.
But if a shooter was going to be on the 6th court, he would have taken the shot when the level attorney pulled down at the intersection of Main and Houston before it made the turn.
He would have had a clean shot for JFK.
But he wanted a round to be shot from the back.
So no shooter, if he's going to shoot from the back, is going to be in the book depository.
Right.
The room that Charles Nicoletti used was reserved by Eugene Halbrading, an office, and adopted like two weeks prior to the assassination when they knew he was going to be there.
Eugene Brading come back from California to talk to people.
He knew they wanted to redecorate the office.
His family.
Not his family.
Whoever.
I don't know who all these people are.
But he went in there, Eugene Halbrading, I know.
Went in there.
They got their room security.
They took everybody and moved them to another office.
Trapped, tossed out, started repainting, decorating, changing woodwork, doing a few things in there.
This way, the room was prepared for that morning, for that day.
When I walked the plaza, as a shooter, and Chuck asked me where he thought would be the best shot, I pointed out second floor to Dow Tech building.
And he said, that's what I thought.
He said, we have it.
But, uh, I didn't choose that room.
They chose that before I even went to Dallas.
Somebody else already had been down there and looked it over.
Chuck used me as a stomping board for a lot of things.
Next of all, there would be no shooter waiting.
There would be no shooter stationed on the opposite side of the plaza.
Plus, anybody that is a shooter that knows their primary target, they're going to research it.
They're going to know that the man, the president, he's going to be riding in the backseat there on the passenger side to touch hands with the people on the sidewalk.
He's not going to be, no shooter's going to be trying to shoot through everybody in the car to get to him.
Next of all, I've got a picture of me talking to one of the Dallas police officers up on the viaduct, last August, and I asked him this theory on somebody shooting the viaduct.
He said the shot was impossible.
He said, compared to where the hole was and the windshield by the rear mirror up there, he said the round would have flattened out.
Mushroom.
Then it had to go through the chin to get to that part of the throat down there.
Mushroom again.
So you would have had one large gap opening in the throat.
Next of all, nobody far from the sewer.
It's almost an impossible shot to get a shot at the president of the sewer in a limo in the back street.
And, uh, I went through all this and I was down there.
I talked to police officers that I know, discussed it with them.
And I've got pictures, like I said, pictures of the one officer.
I don't want to use his name right now because I don't know if you'd appreciate it or not.
But we stood in confidence and Ms.
Pamela made pictures of Nevada because of him and me talking.
And if you would like later, I'll text one of those pictures to you where he's pointing and we're talking on Nevada.
But other than that, there's two shooters that I know of, no one else.
And if they had several shooters, somebody has heard the worst shooters in the world because they couldn't hit the liver, let alone JFK.
And tell us what you knew for sure was going on in the Railroad Yard.
What you knew that day what was going on in the Railroad Yard.
People like to think that I was just a grubber worker there.
But when I took my briefcase and heard the grass turning yellow, I took my briefcase, where I had a stash of one of the boxcars, and I walked back across, I walked across the gravel parking lot of the state, and I went back down in the gravel.
A lady was sitting in her car, eating lunch.
I don't remember if it was an Oldsmobile or a Pontiac or what it was, but She was sitting there having a sandwich.
She watched me walk across the yard.
I went behind the fence.
I laid the briefcase down and opened it up.
She watched me take the weapon out.
I can even send you a picture of her and her name later if you want, but anyway.
She seen everything and went down.
And when I took the shot, she laid down in the seat and peeped up over the dash.
Even though I got people around watching, I cannot say no.
I'm there for a specific reason when I was asked to back up Charles Nicoletti.
I'm not going to go back and tell somebody, well, there's somebody watching that's scared to take the shot.
No.
I'm not going to take the shot.
That's what I was trained to do from an early age on, which you will find out in the book.
But, uh, I can say there's a lot of people that actually see me.
People that can verify I was there.
One of them was the Bushka lady.
I forget her name.
Not really, Oliver.
But she swears that she's seen where I was standing behind the fence when I took the shot.
I've got pictures of her where we had lunch here a year ago down there in Dallas.
But, uh, Basically speaking, when you start to think about it, there's only a couple of places you can actually shoot from, from the plaza, if you wanted to assassinate someone.
And nobody is going to pick a six-floor shooting desk when the target is close and going to be on the ground.
That means you have to hang out the window.
And no shooter fires outside the window.
I just can't even think about it.
Imagine Oswald trying to hang out the window on his left side, trying to fire down the street.
I mean, it's totally impossible.
Yes.
I agree, I agree, I agree.
If I was to lie about it, I would have picked a more common weapon for a sportsman's rifle or something like that for the assassination.
Instead, I spoke of a fireball that nobody had ever even heard of at that time.
I like the weapon, James.
I've always thought that was a very interesting weapon to use.
What way the weapon was developed?
The CIA went to Birmingham and they asked him to design a weapon for them for assassination purposes.
One that they didn't, Wayne Leak is the one that designed it, manufactured it.
The 222 was made before the 221 near C-100.
And when they got to his perfect weapon, 500 went to the CIA and 500 of them went to the FBI.
Where did you get your fireball from?
I got mine from David Alex Phillips.
And did you use it before JFK?
I used it twice before JFK, but that's irrelevant.
I ain't talking about the original JFK.
James, how did you manufacture the Mercury Bullet?
George Kalora, aka Wolfman, a personal friend of mine, he did work for me, he did work for the opposite.
He did everything from reloading, making special rounds, whatever you need, silencers, you name it, he could do it.
He had a workshop set up in his basement.
And he was the one that manufactured the rounds.
And nobody knew what the mist was in the brain until I told them in the interview that I used a mercury round.
So, you know, like I say, there's just a lot of things there that nobody else knew.
Nobody knew about the indentation in the shell casing.
And when they asked me about the found in shell casing, I said, well, if it's mine, you'll know it.
And they said, how would we know it?
There's indentation on the ridge by the orifice.
You don't send a jail cell and make up a story like that and have it all matched out.
Yeah.
How many times was Jack hit, to the best of your knowledge?
John?
Kennedy.
Kennedy, yeah.
As far as I know, I know he's hit the first in the body.
I didn't know how bad, but I knew he wasn't dead.
We're going for a head shot.
If you're going for a head shot, you don't stop until you've got the head shot.
When Charles Nicoletti still had not hit him in the head, at that point I was forced to take the shot.
I was not going to go back and say I felt a shoot because I wasn't sure.
So one in his back, one in his throat, and two in his head.
Is that what you're counting for?
At least four times?
From the rear.
He was hitting the left side of the head and the rear at the back.
From the front, he was hitting the right front temple where I hit him.
He was shot in the back, down low.
I don't know if he was hitting it or not.
I don't think so.
But there wasn't any reason.
Who fired the shot that hit him in the back?
Charles Nicoletti.
And the headshot from behind?
Nicoletti hit him twice?
Yes.
The second shot, the second time he hit him with just a glancing blow, just a good slice along the head.
But, like I say.
When they got back in the car after the assassination, it's in our book, another detail, That Johnny Roselli reached through the back seat to the front seat and said, here, Jimmy.
Here's my brand.
Here's the brass.
Here's the brass.
Johnny picked up the brass for Charles Nicoletti.
But like I said in the interview, did I see Charles Nicoletti fired?
No.
But I cleaned his rifle later and didn't know it was fired.
You're saying, was Roselli in the Dow Techs with Nicoletti?
He was in the Dow Techs with Nicoletti, yes.
Was Jack hit in the throat or no?
No, he wasn't.
That was an accident wound from a piece of shrapnel from one of the explosive rounds that I used.
Look at it this way.
I don't know if you've fired weapons or not, but if you're a shooter, you know if you fire through a windshield that the round is going to mushroom.
and the more he was heading to throw up on a downward trajectory it had to go through the chin
break the bone to get in the throat there which would be more of a mushroom and he didn't have
any evidence of that wound and you would not have a little tiny trickle of a wound
in the front would be the size of a quarter at least.
Do you know anything about the way in which it was covered up?
Have you paid attention to the Zapruder film?
I've never really paid attention to a note.
I went there and I took a shot.
It's just like when Chuck and me would whack somebody in Chicago.
I didn't go cut it out of the newspaper and put it in a scrapbook or nothing.
I mean, we did the job last night.
It's over.
Let's go on to something new.
Couldn't there have been any other shooters there of which you were unaware?
Oh, there could have been.
People are, yes.
But like I say, if they were there, I mean, they couldn't hit the level that on GMK.
I mean, they're shooting the street sign.
They're shooting the curb.
They're shooting the grass.
I mean, and they're shooting less than 100 yards.
I mean, hell, they're only shooting at 35, 40 yards.
Dealey Plaza is small.
The shot I took was 88 feet.
Yeah, pretty easy shot for anyone experienced with firearms.
Those other shooters are using high-powered rifles.
I mean, they were pathetic.
Yes.
So how many shots all together would you say were fired, total, to the best of your knowledge?
To the best of my knowledge, I would say I fired the fifth shot.
The fifth shot?
I'm sure I would.
Chubb shot the fourth shot and caught him on the Nobody heard the left side of the head.
I caught him to the right front.
Those two shots were fired at Simon D'Anguist.
Truck probably fired 1,000th of a second ahead of me.
It started to head forward.
I missed the eyes, went into the temple.
So he didn't hit him in the back, and then Jack slumped forward,
and then Jack eased him back up, and then you hit him.
Hit him in the lower part of the back with the first or second shot.
I seen Kennedy when I'm watching him.
I say Kennedy launched Merch when he was hit the first time, but that was down in the back.
It wasn't between the shoulders.
And it knocked the wind out of him, and that's why he put his hands up.
Yeah, so when you get hit in the back, did you ever have the wind knocked out of you?
You've never had a wind knock.
The first thing you do, you throw your hands up to your mouth and
your throat because you can't breathe.
I love that.
Who to the best of your knowledge, James, was responsible?
For the assassination of James Davis, CIA.
Thank you.
Because the state tolerated JFK a long time.
And when JFK decided, when we went around JFK to do a job in Europe, he got very upset because he said we would not supply the weaponry, the technology, or the deployment for the job in the Great South.
When we went around him and the job was done, he was very upset, and he gave his famous speech.
I'm going to smash the CIA into a thousand pieces, scatter it to the wind, and what I left, I will give to the JCS.
JCS, that's your Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The CIA says, no, not happening.
JFK has to go.
So the chiefs threw in with the CIA and taken him out.
The chief did not throw in with the CIA.
And Fletcher Pratt, he was halfway around the world to get rid of him, so he couldn't follow up the plans.
General Lansdale was Brown's coordinator.
Who was the coordinator?
Lansdale.
Now then, later on, if we get some decent weather, if we have time one day, we'll get together.
I'm willing to drive up to Madison Bayou, And we will sit down in the register somewhere and I will talk to you personally, not in an interview, but I will show you some documents and some papers.
Oh, that would be terrific, James.
I'd like that, yes.
Right now my wife is terrified because of the COVID business, but, you know, I'm a skeptic about COVID from beginning to end.
Well, like I say, I don't believe in the COVID-19, but I believe in COVID operations.
I've reached some of the blackest ops there were.
And I can tell you a couple of little stories.
It's not going to be put in the books.
It's not going to be put on the air.
Can you go do the research for yourself?
Yes.
Well, James, I would like that.
I would like that.
Let's plan to do it.
We'll figure out a good time.
I'm at your disposal.
I'd love to get together with you and Pam.
You're only a couple hours from us in Wisconsin.
We're not that far.
Now then, you've probably read about Richard Potter being one of the researchers.
Richard Potter's in our book.
Have you read our book yet?
No, I have not yet read it, no.
Richard Potter was the one that went to Wayne Lee.
Richard Potter.
Matter of fact, I'll send you a picture of Richard Potter as well.
The feature was made right here in my living room, where we had the pegboard up on the wall, and you'd see a little bit of the gun sticking out the back, and he was talking.
But I got actual live footage that has never been seen by anybody except me and the people here.
Miss Pamela hasn't even seen the live footage yet, because it's been put away, and I've not went and retrieved it.
But Richard Potter, he passed away about two weeks ago.
February 5th.
But they had his memorial service in Keokuk, Iowa, just across the river from Warsaw.
That's where we went yesterday for his services.
We went down there back in one day and because Richard was a dear friend of mine and he was probably the best advice expert on the HD100 there is.
He got all his information with Wayne because he talked to Wayne Leaker.
Tell them what Richard went and did in Florida to meet Luis Posada Carriles.
Do you know who Luis Posada Carriles is?
I couldn't quite make out the word, Jibbs.
Louise Posada Corrales.
One of the people George Bush Sr.
put into Operation Group 40, worldwide assassination.
Louise and me were the first two recruited by George Bush for Operation Group 40.
Yes.
Before I went to Stateville, Richard had come there to visit me several times.
We'd been friends for many years.
I was telling him about Louise.
I said, he's back.
He's on the state side.
He's been granted sanctuary here.
Are you aware of George H.W.
Bush being involved in Dallas?
It's on our website.
Tony Bichonneau, which is another friend of ours.
And, okay.
Are you aware of George H.W. Bush being involved in Dallas?
He was there.
Yeah, I did a picture of George Bush Jr.
leaning against a boot deposit where I wanted to put up on the wall.
I'll have Pam to take you down if you wanna see it.
It's on our website.
You can show people right now.
I may have been the first to identify George H.W. Bush.
Bush in a photograph Jeffrey Curry published in his JFK assassination files after he retired as chief of police and went to work as head of security for 7-Eleven stores.
I got a great restaurant in mind, by the way, James, when we get together.
I'll let you know.
We'll work it out.
I'm delighted.
As long as there's lunch time and I can get back to go.
We live in Englewood.
This is where all the shootings take place in Chicago.
If something's not getting killed here every other day, something's wrong.
If there's not a shooting, something's wrong.
Yeah, I get it.
Richard went down to Florida to see Luis.
He contacted him, set up an appointment.
He went to the hotel where he's supposed to be.
Two guys showed up, put him in their car, and they threw him out into the Everglades.
Now, Richard Potter died just a couple weeks ago.
He's 83 years of age.
They found him on the Everglades.
They got him out of the car.
They checked him over to see if he had a water on him or anything.
Make sure he wasn't being set up.
Checked him for weapons.
No weapons.
They flashed the headlights.
They had the car flashed there like crazy.
Come on, pull up, headlights, headlights.
So him and Luis talked for roughly 45 minutes, maybe 50 minutes, he said.
And he asked Luis, did you work for the CIA?
And he said, yes, he did.
And he asked him, he knew me, and Luis said, yes, I know Mr. Files.
And he says, uh, Did he work with the CIA?
He said, yes.
He said, Mr. Fye, we carried out several operations together.
He said, I worked with him many times.
And so when Richard got back, then he told me.
So, like I say, it's, uh, there's a lot that went on that people don't know or understand.
But I'll tell you some more stories that we won't put on the air when we meet, okay?
Yeah, James, this is sensational.
Pamela, I can't thank you enough for getting together with me today, and James too.
This is sensational.
I'm looking forward to meeting you face-to-face and talking with you.
I'm going to give you back to Pamela, and I'm going to get out of the picture.
Me too, James.
Thank you.
Thank you for this participation.
Excellent.
Excellent.
I'm very grateful.
Yeah.
He wanted to just say a little bit, but not a lot, and that was good.
Oh, that was very, very valuable, Pamela.
Excellent, excellent, excellent.
Yeah, but he went into a lot of details that, like he said, he wasn't too happy that I printed them all, but They're all in the new book, and I'd like to send you a copy.
I mean, you can get a free media copy from our publisher, but I'll just send you a copy.
That would be wonderful.
I'll give you my address.
I'll have read it before we get together.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I want them to read it and then know more about what we're talking about.
I'll send you my address, Pamela.
That's wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.
Well, I'll tell you, this has just been terrific.
I can't thank you enough.
Well, thank you for wanting for all these years to get the truth out there.
Like I said earlier, when we just touched bases this morning, it's kind of cool to be a conspiracy person now.
It used to be, oh no, you're one of those.
Now it's like, oh, where do we find out the information?
So yeah, it's a real big turn that I never thought I'd see, but I'm really... Tell us about your website where people can go to learn more about James and your publications.
Okay, it's kind of a mouthful, but if you go to www.jfkmurderjamesfiles.weebly.com That's our website where you can get signed books or learn about different things.
We also have another book that we still have available.
It's called Interview with History.
It's a companion book to our primary target JFK book.
And that book was written when he was still at Stateville, and I really didn't think he was ever going to get out, and I just kind of threw caution to the wind and just said all the things I wanted to say because I could just see our country going downhill fast, so I didn't really care, so I just said it all.
And so there's that book, and then our first book, To Kill a Country.
There's a long story about that that I really won't get into, but anyway, If people want to go to the website, I've just started a new current event, and I'm just throwing it out there.
And if people want to comment, they can.
Because in the past, when I had some comments, people kind of got rude, so now they have to be approved comments.
Otherwise, I don't want to deal with it.
Yeah, otherwise it just gets way out of control.
So if people want to comment, I'm more than happy to, you know, Let that happen as long as they're polite and being, you know, honest and forthright about what they're trying to say or do.
Um, but yeah, I think we all can learn from each other and we should learn from each other.
Like I said, we don't all know, you know, everything there is to know and we have to keep, keep learning.
Like I, just when I thought I knew, then there's that too.
And I always knew about this really bad stuff going on with, um, the kids and MK Ultra and, You know, when I first started studying conspiracy, I started in the late 90s, 1997 is when my journey began.
Like I said, go to the other interview and listen to all those stories that I tell about coming into this, but 1997.
Going through 1999, 2000, meeting James Files.
I mean, it's just, it's been this really wild journey that I never would have in my wildest imagination thought that I would not be living in Hawaii with my kids and my grandkids.
And I'd be living over here in Chicago, writing books with James Files.
It's just, it's just been crazy.
Um, but it's, it's good because I'm able to get this much truth out that I felt like I, I was supposed to, you know, and it seemed like I had a lot of resistance, but you probably know that feeling.
When there's all that resistance, you must be doing something right, because why, you know, why would they be resisting it so much?
So yeah, our first book, I had a really hard time with that one, but, um, and it's, it's, it's still available, but it's, it's kind of hard to get.
Um, and then interview with history when Jimmy was in prison, we thought he was going to die.
I really didn't think he was going to get out alive and we just kept praying and then he finally got out and then they were still trying to kill him and then after that died down then I came back over here or not back over here I came over here moved my library that I have had over and Maui and that would have been what Jimmy?
2,000 pounds a book.
Over 2,000 pounds.
And then I tape recorded all our conversations when he was in prison.
Highly monitored phone calls, transcribing.
I mean, I did a lot of stuff for a lot of years trying to get this information out to the public.
Yeah, over a thousand hours in a tape.
And 18 years of my life and been researching this but I'm trying to get this information to the public But what started it back in the late 80s and early 90s, I found out about Rush Limbaugh.
Everybody knows he just passed away.
God bless him.
But I started listening to Rush Limbaugh and I started feeling like I needed to get involved in politics and, you know, on my local level.
And so that's what started my journey on that part of it.
And then I got really disheartened after I realized what was really going on.
Like I said, I was trying to wake up the circle of people in my influence, you know, just after church, tell people, get some information, be educated, register to vote, and you know, make an educated choice when you're voting.
And so, back in those days, I was listening to Rush Limbaugh, and Oliver Stone's movie came out.
JFK, right?
And everyone was talking about it, and Rush was saying, oh, don't ever go see that.
That movie distorts history, and you're going to get confused, and you do yourself a disservice to go out and watch that, you know, Fantasyland movie.
And I'm like, oh wow, if Rush Limbaugh doesn't like it, then I probably shouldn't go see it, and I really don't even care about JFK, so I guess I won't go see it.
And so I didn't think about JFK until I found the book High Treason in the church library, and that's When everything started changing.
But yeah, it's an incredible journey that this has been, trying to figure out what's going on.
And I'm still trying to figure out what's going on.
Pamela, this is just fabulous.
I'm just delighted, and I look forward to seeing you and James here in Madison in the near future.
This has just been wonderful.
I can't thank you enough.
Wow.
Thank you for having us, and we look forward to meeting with you and just having some real heart-to-heart talk.
Learn from each other.
Delightful.
So this is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal, thanking my special guest today, Pamela Rae Files and her husband, James Files, who made a guest appearance here, very significant, for joining me today.
Thanks so much, Pamela.
Just spectacular.
Thank you.
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