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The Fetz Presents (17 December 2020): Joe Olson, P.E., Problems with the Apollo Narrative

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	Find it, you know, being broadcast.
	Good.
	I think some people can see us.
	Well, this is Jim Fetzer on The Fetz Presents, where I'm very pleased to have as my guest this evening, A man with an extensive background in engineering.
	He's a civil engineer.
	He's a structural engineer.
	He made a wonderful presentation at the False Flag and Conspiracies 2020 conference on what happened to the Twin Towers, explaining that they did not collapse.
	Now, they couldn't have been brought down using nanothermite.
	And it wasn't directed energy weapons, but rather a nuclear event.
	Joe, I was real happy with your presentation.
	You might want to center yourself a little more on the screen so the audience can see you a bit better.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	Yeah, you're still off to the left, but... I'm still doing my homework.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, we're going to be experimenting tonight.
	Okay.
	So why don't you give me a few of your own thoughts about, you know, being on the part of the conference.
	I was very, very happy.
	You know, I was there having organized it.
	Of course, I knew everyone.
	I'd interviewed everyone before.
	And I was there 14 hours a day on Saturday the 5th and another 14 hours on Sunday the 6th.
	Monitoring the whole thing, Joe, and I know you caught a good chunk of it, but not all.
	Tell me about your impressions.
	I saw most of the presentations on Saturday.
	And then, and Saturday's when I made my presentation, and I was real disappointed that we weren't able to meet in person, because that would have been the first time that I would have had a debate atmosphere with Richard Gage, and I was really looking forward to meeting Jeff Prager, who had done a lot of the research on the conversion of the files from Heinz Palmer.
	So, that was a real disappointment, and then Richard did not agree to do the video.
	And Richard, I mean, Jeff Prager checked out at the last minute.
	So that was disappointing.
	It was disappointing not be able to meet some of the people that I really admire in the truth movement.
	And to meet you again, because it was delightful meeting you up in Dallas for the JFK conference in 2018.
	But other than that, some very impressive speakers that were very, very knowledgeable on a wide range of conspiracies that are absolutely 100% provable.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Now, Joe, we're live on Twitch, so I'm going to see if I can switch us to the slide set we want to use to talk about.
	And even if the audience may be unable to see us, Personally, they'll be able to see the slides, I think, if
	I can get this to work right.
	There we go, but I want to go full screen here, see if I can get this full screen.
	Tell me what happens, Joe, when I do this.
	Is it covering the whole screen?
	Thank you.
	Uh, yes.
	Can you, you can read it there on the, on the computer?
	Yes.
	You need to go full screen on the computer too.
	Okay, well let's start here.
	The moon landing hoax.
	An engineer adds his analysis with me featuring Joe Olson today.
	I begin, typically, by explaining the four stages of scientific reasoning, which, of course, include puzzlement.
	Something doesn't fit into your background knowledge and experience.
	Could be, with regard to the moon landing, Joe, that you see images of moon photographs, and sometimes there's an imprint in the moon dust, and sometimes there isn't.
	And that's pretty puzzling, because you'd think there'd either always be or there'd never be.
	Personally, Joe, I believe that since the moon has no atmosphere and has no moisture, that moon dust would be no more able to retain impressions than the sands of the Sahara.
	Speculation.
	What are the possible alternative explanations of what's taking place?
	Well, in this case, that we're being subjected to a monstrous hoax by the claim that we went to the moon, versus we actually went to the moon.
	And while there may be some anomalies, they may be explicable.
	Adaptation.
	That involves sorting out all the evidence to see what are the probabilities on the different hypotheses of the available evidence.
	For example, the impressions or non-impression seems to create a dilemma because either moon dust retains impressions or it doesn't.
	If moon dust does retain impressions, and now we can we have photographs of a moon rover with no tracks in front or in the middle or behind as though we're lowered by a crane, And if Moondust doesn't retain impressions, then how can we have these photographs of the astronaut boots, where one of the photographs, Joe, includes a sneaker by someone on the set who stepped in by mistake?
	Ask yourself, you know, what's a probability?
	Either way, it looks like it's heavily weighted in favor of the hypothesis that the moon landing was fake rather than that it was real.
	When the evidence has settled down, then we're entitled to accept the best supported hypothesis as true in the tentative, infallible fashion of science, meaning that As we acquire new evidence and alternative hypotheses, we may have to reject hypotheses we previously accepted, accept hypotheses we previously rejected, and leave others in suspense.
	And whereas you well know, All scientific knowledge is fallible in the sense that even though it's the best supported, it might nevertheless turn out to be false.
	Just as while Newton's classic laws and theory of gravity were for about 200 years regarded to be absolute and to apply in all regions of space-time, it turned out with the advent of Einstein's theory of relativity that it was all relative to frames of reference.
	And Newton was really a special case for a relatively Localized regions of space and time.
	Here I like to emphasize different kinds of impossibility that enable us to tell that what we're dealing with can't possibly be true.
	Logical impossibilities Why something could, when something could not be the case because its description is contradictory?
	Why there can't be any round squares?
	I mean squares have four sides and four angles, but things that are round have no angles and no sides, so obviously there can't be something that's both round and a square.
	Or humorously, why there can't be any honest politicians?
	Physical impossibilities, things that couldn't be the case because they violate the laws of physics, chemistry, biology, such as melting points, you know, having ice that hasn't melted at 100 degrees Fahrenheit, for example, or it isn't frozen at zero degrees Fahrenheit, or causal relations, violations of the laws of material science, for example.
	Just as you explained in relation to the Twin Towers, They couldn't possibly collapse.
	Therefore, it follows that their destruction was by some other mode or technical impossibility couldn't happen because the technology had yet to be developed.
	This would include, for example, airborne flight before the Wright brothers, electric light before Edison, automobiles before Ford.
	I think you'll like this one, Joe.
	This is Inside Earth's Moon.
	This is talking about some of the features, including of the surface of the Earth, where the various temperature goes from, in the light areas of the Moon, about 280 Fahrenheit Minus 280 Fahrenheit at night to plus roughly 280 degrees Fahrenheit in the daytime at the equator.
	I mean, that's so extraordinary.
	It has caused me to believe that they couldn't even take moon photographs for multiple reasons, Joe.
	I believe the cosmic rays would have contaminated the The photographic plates.
	And of course, it's remarkable that although the cameras were mounted external to the astronauts' uniforms and couldn't be framed or focused, every photograph we have from the moon is perfectly framed and focused.
	So that's fairly astonishing.
	I know you want to build on some of this.
	Here we have the alternative hypotheses spelled out.
	H1, the Apollo missions were real.
	We actually went to the moon not just once, but several times, which implies that we had the propulsion power, the computer capacity, and the engineering skill to pull it off, including, of course, to survive the Van Allen radiation belts.
	Or what should be H2.
	The Apollo missions were fake.
	We never went to the moon, but fabricated the missions using Hollywood-style techniques, which include filming on a soundstage using astronauts as actors in spacesuits, faking photographs, and other activities in an elaborate pretense.
	Joe, here's I know where you want to pick it up with your perplexing Apollo questions for NASA.
	It's all yours, Joe.
	Oh, welcome America and fellow skeptics.
	Yeah, I didn't really want to embrace every possible conspiracy theory and so I didn't immediately accept or reject the Apollo information until I got a copy of your book We never went to the moon at the JFK conference in 1968 and then I started
	Watching the videos on mostly the photographic evidence seemed to be what everybody concentrated on, and that's absolutely compelling, but I thought, you know, I'm not going to write on this subject and just do a cut and paste of other people's photographic research.
	If I can find something that is unique to my field of knowledge and hasn't been expressed, then I will go ahead and write an article on that.
	So I wrote an article and sent it to NASA March 8, 2018 called Perplexing Apollo Questions for NASA.
	And this is based on an article that was published at space.com.
	Can you turn on my video or can we scroll down just a little bit?
	Joe, I'm not quite sure.
	Do you mean this?
	Yes, there, there.
	Sure.
	Now, yeah, that's the space.com graphic that was presented by NASA on the Saturn V rocket.
	And we'll just go through the stages and the amount of fuel because that's a pretty telling bit of information.
	The Saturn V first stage held 5,012 gallons of fuel, which carried the upper stages from Cape Kennedy to 42-mile altitude with a speed of 5,330 miles per hour.
	The second stage, which is shown in that diagram, held 340,000 gallons of fuel and lifted the final
	stages to 115 miles above Earth with a speed of 15,300 miles. NASA claims that the remaining
	third stage boosted speed to 24,000 miles and carried the capsule to the moon, but that brings
	up the problem of where is the fuel that it took to decelerate when you got to the moon?
	Where's the fuel that it took to bring the lander down to the moon, bring the lander back to the moon, and where's the fuel that it took to get the command module out of lunar orbit and back into Earth's gravity?
	Wonderful, those are wonderful, wonderful questions, Joe, and I'm going to take a wild guess that NASA did not reply.
	Oh no, NASA has not replied, and I've sent it to them several times, just as a lark.
	Every couple, every six months or so, I'll just go, oh, I haven't gotten a reply to this, so I'll send it over to the NASA, you know, question and answer department, and I still get nothing back.
	So, now that brings up the next little bit of conflict with NASA.
	So if we'll scroll down to the very next slide.
	Yes, okay.
	Now, this is the NASA slide showing the three-man command module on the top, then a transition cone that goes underneath the thruster for the command module and connects to the lunar lander.
	Well, obviously, the astronauts didn't crawl through the jet engine and climb into the top of the lander.
	That's great!
	That's just great!
	I love it already!
	This is fantastic!
	Okay, and there's no airlocks on the Lunar Command Module or the Landing Module, and there's no docking mechanisms.
	So that means that two astronauts had to get out of the Command Module, release all the air that was in the Command Module, spacewalk down to the Lunar Module, and get inside the Lunar Module.
	And just to give you an idea, The first spacewalk was in June 3rd of 1965.
	So we were not real accomplished at doing spacewalks.
	And that was one man in low earth orbit got out and was on an umbilical cord and never got 20 feet away from the capsule and then climbed back in and went, okay, now we've spacewalked.
	It's a completely different situation where you have to have spacewalk in between two separate vehicles.
	Yeah, I don't know how you do that with jet packs or thrusters or whatever.
	Okay, so that brings up some interesting little issues.
	The next thing is that making a soft landing on the Moon is very difficult.
	The only successful NASA landings were Surveyor 1, 3, 5, 6, and 7.
	The only probes that have landed and returned to the Earth were Russian Luna 16 on September 20th of 1970, and later Luna 20 and 24, and now we've had the Chang'e-5 Chinese Land a robot on the moon and bring back two kilos.
	That's 4.4 pounds of rock.
	You'd have more pounds of astronaut poopoo.
	Then that that you'd have to bring back in 1969.
	I'm sorry.
	It's just not really possible that you could have done that.
	Now we'll transition into the space weather and you'd mentioned some of that daytime temperature on the moon at the equator.
	goes from 400 degrees Kelvin, which is 260 degrees Fahrenheit, to 80 degrees Kelvin when the sun sets on the moon, which is minus 315 degrees Fahrenheit, for a total temperature swing of 575 degrees Fahrenheit.
	In our excellent book, can we get a screen of this?
	Yeah, I'll just put it right up.
	I mean, I can't do better now, because we'll muck up everything.
	Read the title.
	Okay, Slaying the Sky Dragon.
	Slaying the Sky Dragon, yeah.
	Yeah, this is our climate science book, and on page 41, we've got the sawtooth graphs of the temperatures on the surface of the Moon, and the transition is like 12 to 15 Earth hours between 260 degrees, which is miserably hot, and minus 315 degrees Fahrenheit, which is miserably cold.
	Now, there's a problem with air conditioning in space.
	The only way you can get rid of heat in space is by radiation, and so you have to have a radiation panel that's insulated from the sun so that it's not absorbing sunlight on one side, and then Open to dark space on the other side and that's your only means of radiation.
	On Earth, you have convection, conduction, and Gosh, should have spent more time writing down my notes.
	Anyhow, on Earth you have three means of heat transfer, but also on Earth you have an atmosphere that we use for transferring a lot of heat, and that's using conduction, and then you have convection and And then you also on earth have evaporation, which is latent heat of evaporation, which removes 2,274 kilojoules per kilogram when you turn water into water vapor.
	And that's what's used on cooling towers for our power plants and for our Large central air conditioning systems.
	So that's what you use on Earth to transfer heat.
	You don't have the ability to do that in space.
	There's no air that you can blow past your coil or your heat transfer surface.
	So that makes air conditioning really difficult in space.
	And that doesn't even include the additional radiation that you get from gamma rays, which is an enormous amount of heat energy that Earth is protected by our magnetosphere.
	So you have the problem of the Van Allen belts is going through those magnetic spheres where there are isolated, concentrated pockets of gamma rays, and then you get into outer space where there's no protection from any gamma rays at all, which, you know, it's doubtful that we could even send a mouse to the moon and back even with today's technology.
	It seems to me you're implying that the astronauts would have been cooked either fast or slow but they could not have made it anywhere near the moon and been alive.
	I don't see any way possible and you know I wanted to believe that that we actually did land on the moon and that we had that technology and that oh my god we're on our way to the stars but in reality you have to just look back and go well what were the motives and and what is the science that would actually prove we could or we did not do that.
	Now, one of the articles that I sent you, and this is unfortunate, I had looked it up last week and sent it to you as a two-page publication from the Journal of Geophysical Research, which was Lunar Equatorial Surface Temperatures and Regolith Profile.
	And what they did is they analyzed data from satellites that were orbiting the moon, and they were able to determine that at the equator, in the middle of a full moon where it's taking full sun for 14 hours a day, the penetration of solar heat into the lunar surface is only 0.4 meters.
	Beyond that, it's the same temperature that it is in the poles, and the poles of the moon are 40 degrees Kelvin.
	So the poles are 40 degrees, the back side of the moon, because heat transfer Blackbody radiation is a fourth degree polynomial.
	You have a very rapid drop off, which is the sawtooth curve that is shown in our Slaying the Sky Dragon book for the lunar temperature profiles, and then you have a gradual slope, and then once it hits a real flat bottom, and then it immediately picks back up as soon as you have a solar sunrise on the moon, and you start Joe, you're already making so many sensational points that it seems to me any competent engineer could have drawn, or a physicist,
	And I'm just dumbfounded that we had no outpouring from the Academy.
	You didn't have professors of physics or engineers speaking out that what we're being told about these Apollo missions is preposterous and it's not physically possible.
	It's not technically possible.
	We're being sold a bill of goods.
	I mean, I love everything, every point you're making so far, but it seems to me it's a, An indictment of the Academy and of professionals in a wide range of sciences that they never spoke out that this had to be a fraud, that we couldn't have done it.
	Well, let's look at what some of the motivating factors are.
	You have to put yourself back in time.
	We had Richard Nixon, who won the presidency in 1964, or Lyndon Johnson in 64.
	And then in 68, Nixon was challenging, and he would have lost if Robert F. Kennedy had not been assassinated.
	And so in order to provide a transition for the JFK promise that we would go to the moon in this decade, they decided, well, you know, we've got the MLK riots that are because we assassinated him in 68.
	We've got the JFK riots, the anti-war riots.
	Let's go ahead and pull this.
	Alpalo rabbit out of the hat and say that we fulfilled JFK's promise to kind of calm the country down.
	So that's what Tricky Dick's motive was.
	And when you have the major funding for science being the government, you have a whole bunch of people that will acquiesce to any level of government duplicity in order to just continue to keep the grant money coming.
	And the American Society of Heating and Ventilation Engineers is a perfect example of that.
	They roll over on this global warming thing like you wouldn't believe, and the same thing with the green energy.
	And I ask them, you know, you've got grandkids.
	You realize that science is quantitative, qualitative, and repetitive, and if you can't measure something and you can't define it mathematically, then you don't understand it scientifically.
	And if you can destroy mathematics, then you can destroy science learning.
	Why are you allowing the school districts to do common core math, which you, sitting down trying to explain to your children and grandchildren, know is completely idiotic?
	And they go, Well, you know, I can teach my kids the right way.
	Oh, okay, so you can teach your kids the right way, but you're going to let everybody else's kids suffer because you don't want to rock the boat.
	You don't want to go to a school board meeting and say, hey, no more of this common core garbage.
	We're going to teach real math the way it's always been taught.
	So that's one little problem that I have.
	Tell me more about this, Joe.
	I was unfamiliar with Common Core math problems.
	What are they doing?
	Just rough approximations in lieu of actual calculations?
	Kids don't actually have to learn how to multiply, divide, or perform other mathematical operations?
	They split it into decimals, so you do like the single digits, then you do the 10 digits, then you do the 100 digits, and then you do a series of sums.
	It's like trying to do multiplication using your fingers.
	It's the most absurd.
	If you sit down and watch something, and I can send you a good video explaining that, so yes, you can cover this on a future program.
	You'll be astounded at how stupid it is, but it's the same thing as the previous Education scams that they pulled on us.
	The new math that they tried teaching in the 50s and then Common Core and No Student Left Behind and all of the other educational scams that they pulled are to actually demean education and to reduce it to the lowest common denominator.
	So now getting back to the black body radiation is a fourth degree polynomial.
	One of the people that I followed early on in this thing was a guy named Pierre-Marie Rotable.
	At one time, he was a director of radiology at Ohio State University, but they actually have now made him director of radiology and physics.
	And his main interest was MRIs.
	And in order to understand and improve the imaging for MRIs, he had to understand what the actual absorption and emission factors were for the molecules that were involved inside the tissues.
	And so, a typical human being has 500 parts per million of carbon dioxide in your bloodstream.
	Now, we inhale 400 parts per million, and they're making a big deal about, oh, humans have increased it by, you know, 10 or 20 or 30 parts per million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and that's the end of the planet.
	But you actually have 500 parts per million in your bloodstream.
	Now, if it doesn't absorb and emit the way that you think it does, then you're going to end up getting scatter on your imaging.
	So he had to know exactly how it was absorbing and emitting, and turns out that when he ran modern experiments on the experiments that Planck did in 1900, he found out that Planck had to cheat in order to come up with the Planck constant, and that the Planck's law only applies to black bodies, and black bodies are not very common in the universe.
	Brown dwarfs are not even black bodies.
	And the problem is, is that the Planck's Law is the basis for Kirchhoff, Stefan, Boltzmann, and Wien's Law.
	Now, Wien's Law still applies in the environment that we're talking about, and that's why we end up with the issues that we have with carbon dioxide and Wien's Law.
	He has a great video where he explains how he set up his experiments and why he was able to prove that Planck was wrong, and that all four of the major radiation laws, which would be Planck, Kirchhoff, Stefan, Boltzmann, and Wein, excuse me, all five, are actually extrapolations whenever you try to apply them to bodies that are not black bodies.
	Basically, you're creating a science that doesn't really exist.
	He's got a great video on that, on the validity of Kirchhoff.
	Actually, he's got a series of them.
	They're about 15-20 minutes each, where he goes into excruciating detail on how he explains all that.
	So with that, let's see if I can find my notes on Wien's Law because that's a pretty important little bit of information on carbon dioxide.
	Can't find it.
	We're going to be taking a break.
	I love the fact, well, Here we'll just be continuous, but we can talk if you need to take a break, that's all right.
	You observe there's no airlock on the Apollo capsule, so the cabin pressure would have gone to zero for both exit and entry to the capsule.
	How could they have restored the air pressure?
	They could not have done it!
	Oh, they'd have had to have the volume of the capsule over and over and over, or you'd had to be in your spacesuit the whole time, pooping and peeing on yourself.
	It's just absolutely absurd.
	That's such a simple argument, Joe.
	Well, you know, that's what I was looking for.
	Something that I could explain to anybody that would make them realize that, yes, we have been lied to about the Apollo mission.
	So, Anyhow, yeah, I'd be happy to debate NASA if they want to come forward and explain to us how they did all that stuff.
	I wrote in the comment sections many times that NASA can no longer manufacture lunar landers with cardboard bailing tubes and Reynolds wrap because we've lost that technology.
	Because we've lost that technology!
	I love it!
	Along with all of the 50,000 pages of other material from the Apollo missions that we lost, and the blueprints for the Saturn rockets which we destroyed, along with all of the machine tooling that it took to manufacture them.
	It's just, you know, where do you draw the line with these people?
	It's just one level of absurdity after another.
	Now, Joe, I do have the other page, you know.
	NASA has never returned a robot from the moon, so how did they return the astronauts?
	I think you wanted to move to that point.
	Well, yeah, you know, because now, given 50 years of improved technology in rocketry and telemetry and the micronization of the electronics involved, the Chinese are bringing back less than five pounds of lunar material.
	So there again, why are they able to do that now, but we weren't able to, we were able to do so much more.
	We even took a go-kart up there and drove around and played golf on the moon, if you want to believe that.
	Yeah, where was the room for that moon rover aboard the ship, you know, by the space capsule?
	Did we go back there to take a look, Joe?
	Where is that moon rover?
	It's the next slide down.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, it's got to fit underneath the, in between stage three and the, well, yeah.
	Where's the, is it going to be underneath the lander?
	So when you land on the moon and it gets crushed?
	We don't know.
	These are perplexing questions for Apollo.
	Well, they just showed the whole thing is a massive pile of space poop.
	You know, NASA actually offered a reward of $30,000.
	This was just a few years ago, Joe, for anyone who could assist with their space booth problem.
	They acknowledged that their space diapers would only work for about 14 hours of ways.
	And they needed help.
	And they offered $30,000 to anyone who could assist.
	But then if you ponder, well, these space flights took seven or eight days.
	You get the obvious result that the whole thing is nothing but a messy pile of space poop just as you were implying.
	Yeah.
	It's bewildering why we've let them lie to us about so much for so long.
	Joe, I actually added a couple more images here that are directly related.
	Where the escape velocity, given Earth's mass, would be 25,020 miles an hour.
	Where the moon is so much smaller, the escape velocity is 5,320.73 miles per hour.
	But for those who harbor any lingering doubts whether we went to the moon, they are decisively settled by this demonstration that had we arrived on its surface, we could not have returned.
	I mean, look at that ascent stage and the descent stage.
	I mean, where is the fuel, Joe?
	And here you get a nice contrast diagrammatically.
	Do you see this?
	Yes.
	Yeah, the Moon is 240,000 miles away from the Earth and has one-sixth of the Earth's gravity, which means there's a point 200,000 miles away from Earth where the gravity between Earth and Moon is equal.
	If you happen to have enough velocity to escape Earth and get to that particular point with zero velocity, you'd be going 40,000 miles an hour when you went the additional 40,000 miles to the Moon, And where's the energy to slow you down so that you could do a lunar orbit and not just slingshot past the moon on your way to Mars?
	And then where's the energy that it took to bring the lander down without crashing into the surface because they claim the command module is 40 miles above the surface?
	And then where's the energy to get the lander back?
	And then where's the energy to get out of that one-sixth Earth's gravity back to the 40,000 mile point.
	And then when you hit that, you're accelerating back to Earth at over 200,000 miles at 32 meters per second squared acceleration velocity.
	Where's the energy to do the retro rockets to keep you from crashing into Earth's atmosphere?
	Now, just a simple little analogy, I had a 12-inch globe sitting at my house and I looked at it and I went, you know, Houston and Beaumont are about 115 miles apart, and that's how high the second stage carried the Apollo gear, the third stage and the commanded lunar module.
	So you're 115 miles.
	How far is it on a 12-inch globe from Houston to Beaumont?
	Less than a quarter of an inch.
	And when you look at a 12-inch globe and you realize, here's this tiny little capsule that's less than a quarter of an inch off of a 12-inch globe, and it's supposed to be able to go 240,000 miles out into space.
	And then it's just, when you look at the physics of what's involved, it's just absolutely absurd that they've been able to get away with this.
	And since, you know, March 2018, they haven't replied to the perplexing of questions.
	I wanted to add another observation of mine.
	Earth and the Moon, they're relative size, right?
	Earth is like 55 times more massive than the Moon.
	And yet, Joe, look at this.
	It's supposed to be a photograph from the Moon of Earth, and it just happens to show the same proportions as the Moon from Earth.
	This is supposed to be Earth from the Moon, but obviously it would have filled the entire visual field.
	It's so much more enormous.
	I mean, it's just embarrassingly bad.
	It would look something like this.
	It would have been huge from the moon, not just like the moon looks from Earth.
	But you see, Americans are so sloppy and imprecise in their thinking, Joe, and so scientifically illiterate that we couldn't even accept this, even though we know Earth is vastly larger than the moon.
	That it would look the same relative proportions as does Moon from Earth to look at the Earth from the Moon.
	I mean, how bad is that?
	You know?
	It's not P.T.
	Barnum, but who was it that said you could never go broke underestimating the ignorance of the American public?
	You know, the Moon rocks were supposed to be the great proof that we'd gone to the Moon and very few know that.
	Wernher von Braun actually led an expedition to the Antarctic in order to gather moon rocks that had been dislodged from the surface of the moon by the impact of small asteroids captured in Earth's gravitational field and brought down in the Antarctic.
	So he went down there to collect moon rocks that he would then be able to produce as bona fide moon rocks, only they had not reached Earth by the same mode of transportation That they would allege.
	This was in 1967.
	He led the expedition.
	Really fascinating stuff, Joe.
	Now I have, you know, I wanted to mention two wonderful movies that relate to this.
	One I first watched when I was in London in 2001, Conspiracy Theory.
	Then we land on the moon, which is available still online.
	It runs about 42 minutes.
	I embedded it in my review of Did We Go to the Moon?
	You can find right here at jimtheconspiracyguy.com.
	So you can watch the video, the whole video there.
	It's really good.
	One scientific proof after another.
	And Capricorn One, of course, which is about staging a flight to Mars where the astronauts are told just before launch That they've discovered a glitch that they would have all died upon re-entry, so they've gotta fake it.
	And where it turns out, they succeeded in their fakery by using a single grainy television feed.
	This is not a whole lot different than what they did on 9-11, Joe, by the way, using a single fade, but it was most certainly what they did with the moon landing.
	Very embarrassingly bad.
	Now, I have a whole lot of what you sent to me from those other articles, which run around 50 or more pages.
	We can look at any of them you would like to look at, Joe.
	I've got them all uploaded here.
	Well, unfortunately, and I think we mentioned this off camera before we started the program, what I had sent you last week was just a two-page summary from the Journal of Geophysical Research.
	And that's what gave you the information on the lunar surface albedo, which is your reflection angle, and the fact that it's basically made out of refractory brick.
	So you can have a 3,000 degree blast oven where you're melting steel, and you can have two feet of refractory brick, and you can walk past that blast furnace and Well, Joe, is there anything here you want to look at?
	I mean, I have all those pages.
	Did I not upload the two pages you wanted?
	No, the two pages was Is apparently not findable by Bing and not findable by me today by Google.
	So I don't know if Google's just playing with me and they gave it to me last week and then they're not going to give it to me this week.
	Well, I've got all these studies uploaded here about the moon's temperature and all that sort of thing.
	The lunar radiometer experiments and so forth.
	Right, right.
	That's for anybody that wants to do additional research on this.
	Yeah, it gets fairly technical.
	Oh, it's very technical.
	Speaking of very technical, one of the founders of the greenhouse gas movement was Savinti Arrhenius, And he was a Swedish scientist at a time when Sweden didn't have very many scientists.
	The only real one that they had was Anders Angstrom.
	And so when he was growing up as a child prodigy in science, everybody was saying, oh, you're going to be the next Angstrom.
	And he hated Angstrom, just because he was compared to him.
	So, in 1895, he used some information on the infrared light coming back from the moon that was gathered by Samuel Langley.
	who was head of the Smithsonian Institute in about 10 years earlier, about 1885.
	And Langley made some errors in his measurement.
	And based on Langley's information, Cervantes Arrhenius did experiments and said that it looks like carbon dioxide is warming the planet.
	Well, he made that observation.
	He published his work in December of 1895.
	A month later, Newt Angstrom, who was Anders Angstrom's son, published results and said, I'm sorry, you didn't remove water vapor, which has an enormous number of absorption lines from your atmosphere samples, and so your atmosphere experiment is wrong.
	Savente withdrew his experiment, redid it with no water vapor, and then published his studies.
	And Newt said, well, now you've got an additional error.
	And so he was able to prove him wrong twice within six months.
	But at that point, Cervantes Arrhenius was so high in the Swedish science
	academy that he virtually controlled everything.
	He was actually appointed to the founding committee.
	Did he now?
	for the Nobel Prize and he served on the Nobel Prize committee from 1901 until his death in 1927.
	He awarded himself a Nobel Prize in chemistry in 1903. Did he now? Did he now? Oh yeah and then he
	created the Swedish Institute for Racial Biology and wanted to make racism a Nobel Prize category.
	Research on racer?
	No, racism.
	He wanted to have white racial supremacy as a Nobel Prize so that anybody could do experiments that proved that whites were superior, well then you could win that year's Nobel Prize in white supremacy.
	And we're tearing down statues of Confederate soldiers that all they were doing was fighting against the 1859 morale tariff on Southern cotton and tobacco, which was a 39% tax on the Southern products, in order to finance Northern banks, Northern shipping, Northern textile mills, and Northern manufacturing.
	So they were crippling the South.
	Yeah, this shows the sawtooth, the way the temperature profiles drop off.
	And there again, we're talking about a fourth degree polynomial.
	So this is nonlinear.
	And then you can see.
	It hits a plateau point where it drops from about 80 degrees down to possibly as low as 40 degrees Kelvin on the surface of the moon.
	And then you have a rapid uprise.
	So these are the temperature profiles of what's actually happening on the equator.
	The poles of the moon are even more insufferable.
	That's just fascinating, Joe.
	I love it.
	Well, I uploaded these articles, so I just thought I'd share them during our conversation so everyone can know they're there.
	I'm glad you picked that one out.
	There are a few to go here, in case you find any of those worth commenting upon as well.
	Now we're to the acknowledgements and the conclusion of that lengthy paper, and now we turn to some others that are much shorter.
	about the moon's surface heating and cooling throughout a lunar day.
	Tell me if there's anything here you want to comment on, Joe. Yeah, this is basically
	just paraphrasing of that larger, longer article. So getting back to Newt Angstrom,
	we're talking about a time when most of the peer research in the world was done by
	written word and horse and buggy transportation.
	So, at the turn of the century, it still took four or five days for a steamer to cross the ocean, and then it took weeks for the rural mail carriers to get stuff distributed.
	Well, the June 1901 issue of Monthly Weather Review Has an article on page 268.
	Newt Angstrom on atmospheric absorption.
	And it's several paragraphs long.
	This was at NOA.gov Rescue MWR.
	And it's the Monthly Weather Review National Archives, and it's really startling that when I put this direct URL in an article or comment section, and I go back a month later, it says that article does not exist.
	They move it around to keep me from being able to reference people to this material.
	But this was in June of 1901.
	Then in 1905, Samuel Langley Who will get to another another little bit of thievery.
	realized that he had enough people prove that he was wrong on his calculations for the infrared coming in from the moon that he said he was off by a third of the factor of what the lunar infrared radiation was and so when he retracted his statement that gave Cervantes cover to say okay well I'm retracting my carbon so in 1905 1906, Cervantes Arrhenius actually withdrew his claim that carbon dioxide warmed the earth.
	And then in 1909, a professor at Stanford named Robert Woods did an experiment that proved that even greenhouses don't capture infrared radiation.
	It goes right through the glass both directions.
	So the only way a greenhouse works is by reducing convective loss.
	By the way, one of the commentators in the chat room says, so Alice Cramden was the only person who actually went to the moon.
	I hadn't thought of that.
	You were mentioning good movies.
	Here's another great movie to see.
	It's by a group called Truthstream Media.
	Who are Melissa and Aaron Dykes.
	They used to be reporters with Alex Jones and then he fired them and so they went off on their own, and they've done enormously good work they do usually about a video a month and they did the Three hour long documentary, Minds of Men.
	I also did a about a 20 minute long video called Military Top Secret Hollywood Film Studio, and it was posted at beforeitsnews.com.
	This is the Laurel Canyon CIA mind control film studio.
	Where they did all of the editing and they did all of the, and so it's possible that NASA actually did their work there.
	Then there's other people that speculate that, who's that great director that starts with a K?
	Stanley Kubrick.
	Stanley Kubrick, yeah.
	That Stanley Kubrick did it in a film studio in London.
	So, and it could have been Area 51.
	We don't know, but wherever it was, it wasn't on our moon, that's for sure.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Looks like it was done on a soundstage, and of course to do his Space Odyssey 2001, he needed an elaborate soundstage, and I'm inclined to believe that Stanley Kubrick did actually film the fake moon footage.
	Now, we have another question from the chat room.
	The Soviets would have known this was baloney, so why didn't they blow the whistle?
	Actually, if you go to my website, AssassinationScience.com, you'll find in the upper left-hand corner, pretty much right off the bat, an article from Pravda calling out the U.S.
	for fakery and claiming that we went to the moon.
	So I believe the Soviets actually did call it out.
	But of course the U.S.
	media wouldn't report it any more than it would report that the election here was stolen from Donald Trump on such a massive scale that they had to manufacture over 50 million votes, Joe.
	At the actual total, where Trump got around 73 million honest votes and Joe Biden around 23 million honest votes, and the rest was all made up, where they had to manufacture over 50 million votes, which is a gap between them, to claim Joe Biden got an unprecedented 80 million votes when no one cared about Joe Biden.
	Nobody cared about Kamala Harris.
	He couldn't get 10 people to a rally, but we're supposed to believe That he got more votes than any candidate for president in history.
	And get this, Joe.
	They're telling people now, because of coronavirus, they don't want them to turn up for the inauguration, anticipating no one was going to turn up for the inauguration anyway.
	They're trying to explain it away, a preemptive strike.
	How bad is that?
	Okay, well first of all, let's get back to 1968.
	What were the other factors that were going on that would have kept Russia from being able to disclose NASA's issues?
	And that was the Czech Revolution.
	In 1968, Russia was crushing Czechoslovakians in the streets with tanks, and they didn't need to have any additional irritations, so they had no motive to say, hey, look at what America's doing, when they were trying to hide what they were doing.
	So that was their problem.
	Mao was doing the Cultural Revolution in China and converting to the Iron Rice Bowl, so he was in the process of exterminating the remaining 50 million dissidents that he had to deal with.
	So he had no motive, and certainly nobody in NATO wanted to rock the boat with NASA, because they were on the funding stream for all of the military benefits that were coming out of NASA.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	I think there's so many hazards if Biden and Harris get into office and they're already planning to have her take over as President of the United States.
	And this is a woman who made her way in politics on her back, Joe.
	She had this affair with Willie Brown, who was then the head of the California Assembly and the most powerful politician in the state at the time.
	Who gave her a couple of plumb jobs on commissions at state expense and salary because of their affair.
	He was like 60 at the time and she was about 29, but it was well known in California.
	And, you know, she was disgusting in every role she's ever had.
	She's demonstrated her incompetence.
	And the idea of having this woman anywhere near the Oval Office, to me, is just Horrified.
	I mean, it's just totally disgusting that I think something must be done to unplug this fraud and to drain the swamp water.
	And I'm hoping the president will find a way to do that.
	Yeah, it's it's pretty depressing.
	I don't know whether she got there on her back or on her knees, but she certainly didn't get there standing on her feet.
	So that's that's for sure.
	Yeah, I attended a hearing in Texas on August 15th.
	of 2016 at the Secretary of State's office at the request of a woman named Dr. Laura Presley, who has a PhD in chemistry from University of Texas and holds four patents in software.
	She ran for city council in 2014 in city of Austin, which is in Travis County, and was beaten by the ES&S vote rigging machines.
	And she was able to prove how the machines did it, and they used the same ratio algorithm to alter 10 precincts simultaneously.
	And so she was absolutely able to prove it was fraud, but she couldn't prove it in the district court
	because they were corrupt.
	She had to go to the appeals court and they said, well, looks like you've got good evidence,
	but this affects the whole state of Texas.
	So we're not gonna rule on it.
	So she had to appeal to the Supreme Court.
	So $100,000 later, she gets to the state Supreme Court, controlled by elected rhinos, because we don't have an appointed Supreme Court in this state.
	And they said, well, we agree with you.
	These machines, the two that are approved in Texas, have, um, Errors in three violations of the machines have three violations of the state election law.
	And we're just going to say that you proved that, and we're not going to award you damages.
	Here's your participation trophy.
	Go home.
	So, when we had the hearing in 2016, she presented hundreds of pages of evidence.
	We had hours of testimony from expert witnesses in software and hacking and machine hardware.
	Everything was presented, and it was presented to all of the RINO leaders of Texas at the same time, which included all the Supreme Court, the Lieutenant Governor, the Governor, and the State Attorney General.
	So they've all known about this for over five years.
	In Texas, in 2018, Russ Rumsland did analysis of the Dallas County elections and has been able to prove fraud there.
	And there again, he's stuck in a district court in Dallas County where they can't get a final judgment.
	They just keep kicking the can down the road and say, well, we'll have to do a delay, blah, blah, blah.
	And so that case has not been uh properly adjudicated and it'll probably end up having to be appealed but bottom line is there again we had overwhelming evidence in 2018 that these machines are doing that and the reason why the rhinos and the dinos love that is together they're the uniparty they come back and they decide well you have a lot of under votes which is where people go in they go i'll vote for donald trump but i'm not voting for any of these rhinos
	So they don't vote the bottom part of the ticket.
	That allows him to underfill the bottom part of that ticket to make an incumbent appear to be a lot more successful and popular than he actually is.
	And then they split the state 50.5 red and 49.5 blue so they can keep Texas purple so they can always keep it in the margin where they can pick whichever puppet is going to be best.
	And they don't care whether the puppet's a Democrat or Republican.
	The people at the top of the pyramid are uniparty.
	Fully compromised, and they're going to be some of the 30,000 people that need to be arrested and spend the rest of their lives and get more swing on a rope, because they're absolutely horrible.
	I'll be going to a tea party meeting in Houston on Saturday, and I guarantee you, the troops are restless.
	We've watched this go on and on and on.
	I was at one of the very first True the Vote meetings in 2010, When Larry Bell presented his Climate of Corruption book, and they let me speak for about 10 minutes on the horrible factors in climate, and so I had a good discussion with Kathleen Engelbert.
	She's the bravest woman that I've ever met.
	And when they went to appeal a case where McConnell, Tad McConnell was running against a guy named, I believe
	McMaster, for the Senate race in Mississippi.
	And the GOP in Mississippi paid $10 a piece to have Black voters.
	And they got Black ministers and Black radio announcers to coordinate thousands and thousands
	of votes in three different counties for people that had voted in the Democratic primary that
	that went over and voted in the Republican primary to support Ted Cochran because he was a crook
	against the other guy that he was running against. And when True the Vote sent their case to the court,
	Haley Barber, who was the chairman of the Mississippi GOP, said the Mississippi GOP is a
	private party.
	So that's what we've got.
	We've got a group that's a private party, and they don't want to have Trump in any more than they want to have any honest politician in.
	Yeah, it only seems to be the American people who want Trump in, because they know he cares about them.
	I mean, this is a guy who really does care about the American people.
	I feel it.
	They feel it.
	Look at when he went to Butler, Pennsylvania.
	He flew in by a helicopter.
	There were tens of thousands just covering the hillsides.
	Singing about America and, you know, welcoming him.
	Joe was just touching.
	Tucker went a segment on it.
	It was so unbelievably moving what he was reporting there.
	Spot on for all his flaws.
	I still think he's the best political analyst doing What he can to get the truth out to the American people we have available.
	He and Hannity and Laura, I think Laura's a little better than Hannity, but Hannity has a lot of access.
	So even, we'll frequently interview the president himself and you're getting information directly from Trump that you won't get from the mainstream because they won't cover up.
	I mean, We've been a hell of a box when the mainstream media and the tech giants and the social media, YouTube and Facebook and so forth, are censoring everything conservatives want to say, every issue that every American cares about, whether it's the election or the safety of the virus, a vaccine, or even the legitimacy, whether there really is a coronavirus.
	A pandemic, and I can guarantee 100% there is not, but it's being used as a way to induce fear into the American people to make us more amenable to give up our rights under the Constitution and even to surrender all our property and assets in the Great Reset.
	So I want to encourage everyone out there to think about going to falseflagconspiracies2020.com because the archives From the conference that I organized and moderated on the 5th and 6th of December are now available.
	There are 26.
	There's one that wasn't presented originally that's been added to the mix and one that was divided into two.
	So instead of the 24 original, there are actually now 26.
	If you're only interested in a few of the subjects like JFK or maybe 9-11 or Sandy Hook or what have you, you can pick and choose, and they're only $5 to download.
	But if you want the whole shebang, you can get it for $50.
	That means a whole program at your fingertips for $50, which is the discount that I gave before we went live.
	Originally, it was going to be $75 a day and then $100 for the whole weekend, but I gave a 50% discount, so that remains viable.
	You can obtain the whole thing for 50 bucks.
	And let me mention, by the way, if you know anything about my situation from a legal point of view, half of that, half of that is going to my legal defense fund.
	So you're going to get, I've always felt badly about Not giving back to people who are contributing to my legal defense fund, Joe.
	So I'm really pleased with this situation where you're making a contribution to the legal defense fund, but I'm giving back.
	Because I organized, I interviewed all these people before, including this wonderful guy here, Joe Olson, and put it together.
	And then I spent 14 hours on the air continuously Saturday and 14 more continuously Sunday moderating the whole thing.
	And I'll tell you, I've got nothing but absolute positive raves back about the whole event.
	So I want to encourage you to think about it.
	You might even consider giving it as a Christmas present.
	Here you go.
	Wouldn't that make us a spectacular Christmas present, Joe, to give someone access to all of these programs?
	Yeah, we're working on a DVD.
	Yes, we're working on a DVD, and I believe a DVD is going to be put out by Moonrock Books, and the reason that's a good thing, of course, I have so many books with Moonrock Books, But because the publisher of Moonrock Books is used to shipping and handling, you know, usually books, but now a DVD.
	I think we may have some package deal here.
	We'll see what happens.
	But I think, yes, yes, a DVD will be forthcoming.
	And I'll be talking to Dave Gehry, who also was one of the speakers, about it here in the next couple of days.
	But we've already had a preliminary conversation.
	So yes, yes, yes, that will be coming too.
	I agree, Lou Dobbs has been wonderful, you mentioned, for 30 years.
	He's a real truth seeker.
	I'm very impressed with Lou Dobbs.
	I'm very impressed with Paul Craig Roberts.
	There are a very small number of valiant people.
	I highly recommend Zero Hedge.
	That's wonderful.
	I also recommend the name of it.
	They publish so very much.
	I'll track it down because I've got some of their stuff right now.
	But if you watch, if you go to my BitChute site, and you can find it with BitChute Jim Fetzer, you'll find the Need to Know shows I've been doing.
	are available there, where we draw on the very best, you know, published research.
	It's also a lot of it right there on my blog at jamesfetzer.org.
	Gateway Pundit, that's what I was seeking for the name, Gateway Pundit.
	Wonderful stuff from Gateway Pundit.
	You'll find the very best, I think, on my blog at jamesfetzer.org, but also, of course, right here, as you already know, at jimtheconspiracyguy.com.
	Joe, I want to Offer you the opportunity to add more thoughts.
	I've been very happy with what you've had to say, telling us about the moon landing and so forth.
	Really stunning how easy it is to prove.
	We didn't go, we couldn't go, and they faked the whole damn thing.
	I mean, from an engineering point of view, it's so bloody obvious.
	And again, I say I'm very embarrassed that we didn't have every engineer in the country speak out at the same time to decry this obvious staged fake event.
	Done purely for political purposes, just as were the Sandy Hook and the Boston bombing and Orlando and Dallas and Charlottesville and Parkland and Las Vegas.
	By the way, WikiLeaks Julian Assange is releasing all his files here, and so far the only thing I've heard that causes me pause is he claims an FBI sniper was involved in Las Vegas.
	Well, Nobody died in Las Vegas, with a possible exception of the gunman who looks like he was on ice and doesn't even appear to be the guy Stephen Paddock is supposed to be.
	He seems to have a different height and weight in his autopsy report than we have from his fishing license.
	I'm telling you, there's a lot of very interesting fakery And Joe, Barack Obama legitimized the whole thing when he nullified the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 by the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012, just in time to bring a Sandy Hook.
	And by the way, for those who are interested, I had the opportunity to give a presentation on Sandy Hook that will therefore be my most recent that's in the set of presentations given for False Flags and Conspiracies 2020.
	Joe, I'd love it for you to add further thoughts of yours and we can conclude early.
	We've been on for Oh, no, no, no, no.
	No, let's keep going.
	It takes a long time to get this set up.
	I end up having to get a hotel room where I get a decent signal, so for me, this is, you know, it's already paid for our time, so let's go for it.
	Oh, wonderful, Joe.
	Well, go ahead and lay it out.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	I attended the Trump MAGA Rally at Summit at the Toyota Center in Houston in October of 2018, and I knew that they'd already given out 80,000 tickets for arena that seated 18,000, so they weren't going to stop people at the door and say, sorry, only people with tickets get in.
	It was going to be a first-come, first-served, so I got there at 10 o'clock in the morning.
	There was already 3,000 people in line.
	I took laminated copies of my 9-1-1 material, and I walked back and forth They didn't want to believe about 9-11.
	people and talking with them and I talked with probably 300 MAGA supporters.
	I had three people that said, I don't want to believe that.
	Well, that's the problem.
	You don't want to believe it.
	They didn't want to believe it from about 9 to 11.
	They don't want to believe the government did it.
	Right.
	But I had dozens and dozens of people taking out their cell phone and taking screenshots and going,
	this is very interesting, asking very intelligent questions.
	I'd spend 10 or 15 minutes with groups of 10 or 15 people at a time.
	And then they finally let us in.
	I commend you.
	Gold star behavior.
	And so then we got inside the arena.
	And the feeling of being in a Trump rally is just indescribable.
	I've been to three Rolling Stone concerts and that's the closest I could compare to it.
	The guy's an absolute rock star.
	Then I attended the November 2019 MAGA Rally at the American Airlines Center in Dallas and that's a 22,000 seat venue where they had over 100,000 tickets sold and I thought, man, I better get there extra early.
	So I got there at seven o'clock in the morning They let the first 500 people into an atrium area outside the arena and then they erected a fence so that they didn't have gate crashers and they controlled the people outside the gate.
	So I was in there with 500 people from 7 a.m.
	until about 4 o'clock And I walked around and I talked to absolutely everybody.
	At Dallas, I had probably 20 or 30 people that said, get out of here.
	I don't want to believe that.
	We know who did it.
	It was Mahama Ata.
	But I had there again, dozens and dozens of people.
	And at that point, I'd written additional articles.
	So I had more laminated copies and was able to go into even more detail.
	And so that was a positive moment.
	Then I've been to three dozen Open Texas stopped the steel rallies since this WuFlu stuff started back in April, and I went to, remember, the Alamode Review, and you posted this up at your website so people can go pull it up.
	This was in support of Shelly Luther, Who was a salon hairstylist owner.
	She had 18 hairstylists.
	They are contract workers, so they weren't covered by the government PPP funds.
	Neither was her business, because it was a non-essential business.
	So she had no income for over two months.
	The governor signed an executive order, which by constitution is limited to 30 days without legislative extension.
	He has refused to call a special session of the House and Senate to extend his EO.
	He just continues to extend it and expand it.
	Two weeks before Shelly Luther was thrown in jail, two Hispanic leaders in Laredo were busted for manicuring nails.
	And so when he was when the governor was asked about it, they said, well, according to your executive order, they've committed a misdemeanor and they can have up to six months in jail.
	What do you think the proper punishment is for these two ladies who were trimming fingernails?
	He said, well, I don't think they should spend six months in jail.
	Well, after Shelly Luther got thrown in jail because she cut hair two days early, then he went, okay, I've got a problem with my EO.
	So he modified his order that you couldn't be thrown in jail for violating an executive order that the legislature never approved.
	So, and then at this- Is that Abbott?
	Yes, Abbott.
	Oh, he's a fascist.
	I'm sorry.
	That's very distressing to hear, Joe.
	Oh, well, he's known about the Hart InterCivic and ES&S vote-rigging machine since 2016 and done nothing.
	Okay, so also at this same rally, the speakers included Colonel Allen West, who was a three-term Florida congressman that they redistrict out of his office because he was a pain to the establishment GOP.
	And he said, screw Florida, I'm moving to Texas.
	So he moved up to the Dallas area.
	And he's been networking in the Dallas area for quite a bit of time.
	I spoke to him for probably 15 minutes about 9-1-1, and he said, well, everything you're saying makes a lot more sense than what the government's saying, but there's not much I can do about it right now.
	I said, well, the day will come when you can, so I just want you to know where you can find me so you can get more information.
	And who was that?
	That was Colonel Allen West.
	He's got his own radio program, and he was elected in July of this year as the chairman of the state GOP.
	Very good.
	We'll get to that.
	Oh, he is.
	He's going to be a huge rising star in Texas.
	So anyhow, one of the other speakers was State Senator Bob Hall.
	He's an electrical engineer graduate, former U.S.
	Air Force lieutenant.
	He's been a state senator for decades.
	He's a really great guy.
	He's been on top of everything that's been an important issue to the truth or community. I spoke with him about the
	911 stuff and he says, well, everything you're saying makes more sense than what the
	government's saying. There's nothing we can do about it. I said, well, there is the day will come
	when we can do something about that.
	So then the third speaker that was important, they had Shelly Luther and she was a great speaker,
	but they had another woman there named Dr. Yvette Lozano, who is a medical doctor and had her own
	private practice for 25 years in the Dallas area.
	She had been prescribing hydrochloric one to her patients and to all of her staff, and she'd had incredible results.
	And she has been sanctioned by the State Licensing Board, which is nothing but a division of the American Medical Association, MAFIA.
	John, the AMA has now reversed its position and no longer opposes the prescription of HCQ.
	So she may have an out there.
	They have reversed their approach.
	And of course, they're doing so much damage by all the lockdowns, which had no justification whatsoever in the first place.
	And where I have endlessly described Anthony, Tony the Rat Fauci, as the greatest enemy in American history, has done more damage to the United States, Joe, than all our foreign enemies combined.
	Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Emperor Hirohito.
	This guy has done more damage to Americans and caused more death from Americans than any other figure in our history.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	Massive destruction of our economy.
	The Japanese didn't hurt our economy like these people have.
	The Civil War didn't hurt our economy like this current Civil War is.
	I researched several other articles.
	I did one on Texas that's the last waltz across Texas, which goes into the educational background of the four people in Texas that are responsible for perpetrating this Hysteria and overreaction to something that's nothing worse than the normal flu season.
	Right.
	And then I did one called WuFlu Bat Stew News for You, which the Novavax vaccine, every vaccine is grown by infecting a living cell culture with viruses and then growing more of the viruses and then ostensibly killing the virus and giving you dead bits of virus and that's what Supposedly protects you.
	It's based on the 1895 Pasteur germ theory, which is a bad hypothesis to begin with, but there's no basis in science for any of it.
	Well, guess what one of the WuFlu warp speed people is growing their vaccines in?
	Insect cell cultures, because you and I don't have enough cockroach DNA in our bodies.
	That's how disgusting these people are.
	It's just like, well, let's just... whatever we can create in a Frankenstein lab is what the public will take, because we have no liability for anything that we do.
	So then, I wrote an article called Right to Try Voodoo because they make a big deal about the Right to Try Act.
	Well, the Right to Try Act was passed in Colorado in 2014 because there were therapies that the FDA was not allowing people in the United States to try and they were going overseas and having successful treatment and they came back and they went, okay, well, we'll let you try stuff, but it can only be what the FDA wants to try From an FDA supplier, through an FDA doctor, all with no civil or criminal liabilities, and if we find something that works, we'll kill you so that we can make their patent worthless, and then we'll buy it up for nothing.
	Because that's how monopolists roll.
	So, if you go to this article, a nice little starting statement.
	Two Australian scientists, Dr. Robin Warren and Dr. Barry Marshall, won the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 2005 for their pioneering work to cure peptic ulcers.
	What's most revealing about this established science is that these gifted and dedicated doctors made this discovery in 1982.
	Actually, that's when it was recognized.
	They made the discovery in 1978, but they couldn't get approval for human testing in Australia.
	So, Dr. Marshall infected himself with H. pylori bacteria.
	He said, the bacteria is eating the food in my stomach.
	It's releasing acid.
	The acid is eating my stomach lining.
	That's what peptic ulcers are.
	I'm going to take an antibiotic.
	I'm going to kill the bacteria.
	I'm going to cure myself.
	They went, okay, well, now you've proven that you can cure yourself.
	We'll let you do human testing, but 50% of the people have to get a placebo and not get cured.
	Well, after four years of human testing, he even proved to the Australian government that that was the cause of the most common human infection in the whole planet, and so they went, okay, well, we'll go ahead and authorize you to use that as a treatment.
	It took another decade before the FDA approved it, because they would rather sell you Maalox or Pepto-Bismol for your whole entire life as a palpative than to actually cure your underlying diseases.
	And then, they do not award a posthumous Nobel Prize.
	So, in 2005, they said, Jesus Christ, these guys made this discovery, a major breakthrough 23 years ago.
	They're going to die, and we're not going to end up giving them an award.
	When we give an award to a whole long series of quacks, we better hurry up and give them a Nobel Prize.
	So, that's how that particular thing works.
	And then, This is on hydrochloric one.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Miracle substance.
	It's derived from the Chinchilla tree in South America, and the natives had been using it for a thousand years before Columbus got here.
	Columbus took it back over to Europe.
	It was used in Europe for 500 years.
	It's over the counter.
	In all of Latin America, all of Africa, and all of the Far East, Nigeria has 40 million people.
	They've had 20 COVID deaths, if you even believe the testing on that.
	So, basically, you have an alkaloid, and it's a natural chemical defense.
	Plants are attacked by the same threat vectors that humans are.
	They've got bacteria, viruses, mold, fungus, Predatory animals, and so they develop chemical defenses.
	Some of those chemicals are poisonous, and in the alkaloid family that includes belladonna and strychnine, but some of them are just psychotropic, and that includes all of the psychedelic drugs like LSD, DMT, mescaline, psilocybin.
	Those are all alkaloids.
	Includes stimulants like nicotine and caffeine are alkaloids, but it also includes Quinine.
	And quinine is used as an antiviral.
	It's also an antifungal, antibacterial, and anti-inflammatory.
	So, it's an excellent substance to include in your daily food diet.
	In Africa, they just take a pill once a week.
	The treatment regimen for somebody in the United States taken is to take Two tablets and then the next week take one tablet and after that you take a tablet every two weeks for a whole year.
	Cost me less than $40 to get a year's worth of preventative for a wide range of diseases.
	It's prescribed for lupus, chronic fatigue syndrome, arthritis, on and on and on.
	It's got dozens of off-label uses.
	It's been on the Physicians' Desk reference as essential medicine for 65 years.
	It was stabilized as a more usable pharmaceutical product by the Bayer Company with a patent as chloroquine in 1935 and then during the war it was stabilized further as hydrochloroquine, which is a patent that we stole after we stole all of Germany's patents at the end of World War II.
	Enormous intellectual property theft of all of the German Unbelievable, Joe.
	and university research at the end of World War II. That's what a large part of the paperclip
	operation was, was to bring over the 10,000 scientists that could help translate the
	patents that we stole on virtually all of the industry of Germany.
	Is that unbelievable, Joe? The criminal acts of the American government over the centuries
	has just been staggering. Well, the American government is just the street
	thug for the British Empire.
	And then they've also adopted the Mossad strong arms.
	So basically, we're still dealing with the British East India Company ruling the world
	the same way they did prior to the revolution.
	We never actually got free of those people.
	But this is going to be the chance for us to get free, because it's the same group of
	people that own all of the voting machines.
	They own Dominion, Sequoia, Smartmatic, Heart InterCivic, ES&S, Syke, and Diebold.
	And so all of these processing companies are all owned by the same parent monopoly companies, the same way they own cross-directorships in the five apparent divisions of the news media.
	And the same thing with the big tech.
	They're all puppet industries and they're all fronts for what's really going on behind this gigantic theft.
	And they've been doing this for a long time.
	Alex Bell did not ever have any interest in telephone at all.
	And a guy named Antonio Meese had worked on telephone for 20 years.
	He submitted his patent to the U.S.
	Patent Office in 1862, but at that time there was not an adequate level of telegraph wire to be used for telephone, and there wasn't adequate generation capacity to use it, so there was no use for the patent.
	It sat in the U.S.
	Patent Office for 16 years until it was stolen by Alexander Bell, who was a frontman for Rockefeller, who then created the AT&T monopoly that was a Rockefeller-run monopoly.
	The Rockefellers stole the 1895 patents, four patents for radio that Tesla had filed, and gave them to Marconi, who used a stolen Russian patent to get a single patent in England, and then came over and stole all four of Um, Tesla's patents, and then they set up the Radio Corporation of America, which we know is RCA, which is apparent for CBS, which ended up stealing Philo Farnsworth's patents on television.
	And we had mentioned Samuel Langley, the director of the Smithsonian.
	He was invited by the Rockefellers to steal the Wright Brothers' patents, and so he and Samuel Langley, Alexander Bell, and an inventor named Glenn Curtis Stole the Wright Brothers patents in America, and as long as they could keep the American patents from being perfected, they could steal them in all over Europe.
	So all of the Rockefeller and Rothschild-run industries in Germany, France, and England benefited by stealing American patents that were held up in court.
	And in 1943, The Supreme Court ruled that Tesla had actually invented the radio, but it didn't do him any good.
	He was dead.
	And in 1943, they awarded the Wright Brothers a patent, but Wilbur and Orville were already dead by that point.
	Interesting thing about Glenn Curtis, he was a motorcycle He invented a very good motorcycle engine and set the world speed record in 1903 of over 100 miles an hour.
	That was faster than any locomotive and it was faster than any automobile on the sands of Daytona.
	And then he decided, well, I can even break that record.
	He invented a V8 engine And put it in a motorcycle just so he could sell V8 engines for aircraft, and he set a speed record, I believe, about 130 miles an hour.
	Absolutely astounding for that time period.
	So he was a gifted mechanic, but he took the Langley Flyer and in 2006 managed to do, which was, excuse me, I think it was 2000.
	Eight or nine.
	It was like five years after the Wright Brothers.
	He managed to get it to fly briefly on the Hudson River, and so that's why they claimed that the Langley plane was the one that was the first heavier-than-air plane.
	And it sat in the Smithsonian Museum until 1943 when the Supreme Court ruled against it, and then it was removed in disgrace.
	And the Wright Flyer had been in the British Museum from about 1905 or 1906 for about 10 years, and then they brought it back to America, hoping they could get it into the Smithsonian, but it sat in a barn in Ohio and just basically rotted.
	It had to be completely restored before they could actually put the real Wright Brothers plane in the Smithsonian Museum.
	So, lying to us about the greatest scientific achievements in our lifetime is nothing that these people won't do, you know?
	Yeah, there's this new one apart from HCQ, by the way, Joe, what's it called?
	Ivermectin.
	Yeah, Ivermectin.
	Yeah.
	Do you remember how to spell it?
	Yeah, I've got it written down.
	May take me a minute to find it because I didn't know that's where we were going with our subject.
	No, I've got a question in the chat room I'm responding to.
	Oh, okay.
	Is it got a T in it?
	Remdesivir is the one that you don't want to take.
	That's a concoction that's absolutely horrible.
	I've got a whole list of what the... Unfortunately, I take copious amounts of notes, but the problem is that they're not all Well, just as best you can remember the spell, and it's Ivermectin, is it?
	I think it's I-M-E-R, Imermectin.
	Imer?
	I can probably find it.
	I've got it misspelled for sure.
	Oh, OK.
	Well, yeah.
	I read Dr. Judy Makovich's book.
	Yeah, she's wonderful.
	Oh, she's absolutely wonderful.
	Highly recommend her.
	And you were mentioning news sources.
	I would like to mention that Robert David Steele does some really good work.
	Yes.
	Aim for Truth does some excellent work.
	Yes.
	And The Conservative Treehouse does some excellent work.
	Yes, yes, I agree with all of those.
	Yes, so definitely.
	We've had a long relationship.
	Robert David Steele is excellent.
	Oh, he is.
	He did a great interview with me, an hour-long interview.
	We covered the full spectrum of stuff, and for that, I had all my notes in a row.
	That's just sensational!
	Robert doesn't give time away for free, man, I'm telling you.
	You had a lot to say!
	What was really funny is he told me that we were doing a 20-minute interview, and I looked at the clock, and we'd been talking for 30 minutes, and I said, Robert, we've talked for 30 minutes.
	He goes, yeah, I know.
	He says, you're very interesting.
	I'm going to keep you on.
	And so we ended up talking.
	Of course, you can't find it on YouTube.
	Because it's, uh, you know, conspiracy stuff, but he does have it up on BitChute.
	So you, anybody that's interested in that interview, and we covered the 9-1-1 and we cover a lot of the same stuff that we're covering now.
	We didn't cover anything on NASA, but geez.
	There's somebody here who's, who differs with us and regards RDS as full of a familiar substance.
	Uh, you know, I have to measure somebody on their overall performance.
	I don't want to get microscopic and nitpick on some things.
	There's some stuff I'm not real keen on everything he says about open source and some of his stuff.
	But, you know, by and large... Yeah, I think open source intelligence is a really good idea myself.
	Well, the fact that he says that we should just expose the people that did all these crimes for all these centuries and then just spank their hand and say, okay, you can't do that anymore.
	It's like, I'm sorry, you know, I agree that we need to have, have something done to these people beyond that.
	Well, Dan Gunman.
	Oh, you're right across it, Joe.
	I'm really enjoying everything you're talking about.
	So whatever else you'd like to contribute, you're welcome.
	We have about 20 minutes left.
	Oh, okay.
	I did a great interview on Coast to Coast the Friday after Thanksgiving.
	And that's an article that's posted at Principa Scientific called Body Electric Secrets, and that's based on a book that was written by Dr. Robert Beckman, who is an orthopedic surgeon at the Syracuse University.
	And during World War II, an interesting story is that Dr. DeBakey was a Lebanese Christian that had grown up in Louisiana and got interested in medicine, because I think his dad owned a pharmacy shop, but he, anyhow, he got interested in it.
	He was a World War II surgeon.
	He's the one that created the mass units, which was the forward military, yeah, right, right, that the show was based on, and so when he created that, He cut field casualties for frontline soldiers from 20% to 4%, which is, you know, a tremendous.
	Oh yeah, absolutely fantastic reduction in death and suffering.
	And so after the war, they asked him to contribute to the VA.
	Now here's my body electrics.
	So anyhow, yeah, he reduced frontline deaths from 20% to 4% during World War II.
	He's responsible for placing VA hospitals located next to research universities.
	In 1960, Dr. William Chaddock and engineer Wilson Greatbatch created the first electric pulse generating pacemaker at the Buffalo University VA Hospital.
	In 1961, Dr. Becker was working at the Syracuse Hospital, and he was an orthopedic surgeon.
	had patients that had enormous number of broken bones but they weren't able to
	recover completely. There would be some bones that would grow back correctly and others would just
	never grow back at all. So he was wondering what is the controlling mechanisms for
	electrical, I mean for regeneration of limbs and healing.
	And so he started doing experiments and he did a lot of experiments with salamanders because they're
	the highest life form that has complete regeneration capability.
	You can break a tail off a lizard, and it'll grow back, but salamanders, you can cut off a limb, and they will completely grow a whole entire new limb.
	Frogs can't.
	No mammals, birds, or reptiles can do that, so basically you have a survival mechanism that is available to lower life forms that's not available beyond a certain genetic development, and so he was wondering what was the cause of that, and what he found out was that you have electric currents that are DC currents running through your
	body that are pico amps and micro volts and that these are easily interrupted but they
	can also be generated and you could actually do regeneration and one of
	the people that was working with that was a um
	he published his book in 1985 One of the people that was working on that was at University of Kentucky, and he was able to grow new limbs on mice and frogs, and then they suspended any further research by that man.
	So basically, we have a malignant dictatorship that runs all of our medical research, and I just started calling them a cult of witch doctors, because that's basically what they are.
	A witch doctor.
	Yeah, because that's what they are.
	It's just a cult of witch doctors, and that's what they do to you in medical school.
	They traumatize you and then they force you to join their cult and then they turn you
	into a priest class.
	Well, I've got it in my show notes from when I was talking on COAST, so maybe I can find
	it there.
	University of Kentucky and it was, I want to say it was 1968.
	My first academic appointment was at the University of Kentucky.
	Yeah.
	Anyhow.
	Well, that's what happens when you allow yourself to meander for a couple of hours.
	You end up getting off track and you can't find all the notes and the problem with The problem with being a polymath is that, you know, you've got to try to keep all of this stuff sorted out.
	Oh, here it is.
	1967, Dr. Stephen Smith at the University of Kentucky was able to partially regrow frogs and mice limbs using a silver platinum implant.
	In 1974, he was able to do a complete regeneration using pulsed electromagnetic field currents, but then his research was suspended.
	So, you know, we've had the capability of being able to heal all kinds of things, you know, spinal cord injuries.
	What was really amazing is that Dr. Becker was trying to find out how you could actually grow a complete array of cells from tissue.
	He couldn't understand how it's happened, and what he found out was the mechanism in salamanders was that the red blood cells, in order to contain more hemoglobin, do not have a nucleus.
	But when you have an injury site, like a broken bone, the red blood cells congregate around it.
	They make kind of like a scab, and then they release their hemoglobin.
	They grow a nucleus, and at that point they turn into stem cells, which are able to then create Bone, marrow, nerves, skin, muscles.
	They can recreate the whole entire and they have the blueprint for exactly what needs to be created to re-establish a limb.
	So that is just phenomenal!
	Just phenomenal!
	Yes, we've had the capability of doing this for over 40 years.
	We could grow new eyeballs.
	We could solve every amputee problem on the planet.
	We have the capability of doing that, but we don't have the pharmaceutical industry monopoly construction that wants us to live in that kind of planet.
	Well, there are all kinds of problems they know how to solve, but they would lose their profit margins, so they don't.
	Like autism.
	They have discovered a cure to autism, but they won't allow it to be shared.
	They bought it up so they could bury it, Joe.
	Right.
	Now, my Coast to Coast interview, which was the Friday after Thanksgiving, has been posted in two MP3 files at Principa Scientific International.
	So, if you want, we could put the link up at one of your websites on one of my articles, and people could go there and actually listen to the two-hour long discussion.
	I'm glad I was able to at least find, because that's pretty important.
	In 67, they were able to regrow limbs and mice and frogs, but here we are, you know, 50 years later, we can't regrow a toenail, you know?
	It's disgusting that we're not allowed to live in the world that we could live in if we weren't ruled over by these, you know, monopolistic monsters.
	Profiteers.
	Basically, profiteers.
	Yeah, the same people that took us to the moon.
	Yeah, NASA.
	Why don't you answer these perplexing questions?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Show me where you parked your lunar lander, kids.
	Remember NASA, never a straight answer.
	Show me where you parked your lunar lander, kids.
	Remember, NASA never a straight answer.
	Yeah. So anyhow, any other little subjects we want to...
	Oh, Joe, this has been wonderful.
	This has just been wonderful.
	James, you are always wonderful.
	It's a thrill to be able to share this planet with you.
	You're a real gift to everybody, and I was so delighted that we got to meet in November of 2018, and I look forward to the time.
	I was disappointed we weren't able to meet this year, but I really look forward to the time when we can meet again.
	And hopefully, we will end up having some big science forums in 2021, when our president gets reelected, and we can overthrow a whole range of faux science.
	Do send me some links about the salamander, you know, an adaptation to mice and regrowing limbs.
	That's fascinating stuff.
	The chat room was responding amazed, amazed at what you were telling us, Joe.
	So you've been very well received this evening and for good reason.
	And I'm just delighted you could share this time with us.
	I'll be on talking about global warming.
	On a Salem radio program.
	It's called Lower Your Energy Bill, Saturday morning.
	And it's on about 40 different radio stations.
	So if you have to be available between... What's the name of the show again?
	Lower Your Energy Bill?
	I think it's Drop Your Energy Bill.
	Drop Your... that's the name of the show.
	Yeah, the guy started off, he was selling electrical panels like 30 years ago, and he started in order to promote selling photoelectric cell panels.
	He got a program, and this was how to lower your energy bills, but the more panels he installed, the more he realized they were a joke, and so he kind of morphed over into better insulation and better windows.
	You know, so he's changed his format, but he didn't change the show title.
	So he's had the same show title for almost 30 years.
	He's interviewed me before.
	Joe, what time of day will it be on on Saturday, you said, in the morning?
	Yes, it's from 9 to 10, and it's on about 40 channels, and it's also streaming.
	Central.
	9 to 10 Central.
	OK, there, everyone.
	Keep in mind, 9 to 10 Central.
	Something like Drop Your Energy, Bill, is the title of the show and has been around forever.
	It's on many, many stations.
	So you can look for Joe there.
	I can't thank you enough for coming on tonight, Joe.
	It's just been splendid, really splendid.
	James, you are a true treasure.
	Thank you so much for all you do.
	Well, I just can't thank you enough, Joe.

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