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The Raw Deal (18 November 2020): Portland Residents Tony and Craig on "The Portland Experience"

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	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal.
	We have been living through much unbelievable terror during 2020, including Antifa and Black
	Lives Matter, conducting riots, looting, arson, even murder.
	I thought it might be a valuable and informative experience to invite a couple of guests on who actually lived through some of the worst of the worst in one of the most hard-hit cities in the United States, namely Portland, Oregon.
	My own son resides in Seattle.
	I have a brother there as well.
	Fortunately, I have contacts in Portland.
	We know many other cities were severely damaged.
	This all appears to be part of the reason why, if you take an accurate accounting of the election, Trump won an overwhelming victory by a margin of more than 50 million votes.
	The Democrats conspired, with the help of governors and secretaries of state, in the fraudulent use of Dominion voting machines to switch votes from Trump to Biden, to eliminate Trump votes, and to, by virtue of Dominion having its own printer, as a part, manufacture new ballots.
	We even have evidence that Hundreds of thousands of ballots were obtained from China, which may actually turn out to be the owner of the Dominion voting machines who wanted Biden
	Over Trump, because Biden is already severely compromised by his prior contacts with China, where the Hunter Biden laptop and its contents was concealed from the American people, because it shows the massive graft and corruption by the Biden crime family, including not only Hunter, his father, Joe, his brother, Jim, but where Tony Bobulinski, who was their business manager, went and took Carlson and laid it all out in spades.
	And yet the Democrats would put up a candidate of this degree of corruption?
	Absolutely stunning!
	It turns out Antifa and Black Lives Matter are like the paramilitary wing of the Democratic Party, that they were doing their operations as what was intended to be a voter registration campaign, but combined with a slogan, defund the police, it hasn't really played out very well.
	In fact, we have a clip of the ersatz Joe Biden, the body double they've been using since the first debate, declaring that The Democratic Party must never use that defund the police slogan again because he said we were smoked across the country.
	Even Barack Obama has been castigating the Democrats for talking about defunding the police, which of course is contraindicated by their alleged massive victory.
	You wouldn't be criticizing a campaign for a slogan had it actually enjoyed a massive victory.
	Further confirmation the whole thing was a scam.
	Now I'm just delighted, therefore, to have two residents of Portland, Oregon with me here today, Tony and Craig, who will tell us about their experience in living through it all.
	I'm just appalled by their mayor and their actions, which appear to me to be a close proximity to what happened in Seattle.
	Tony, welcome to the show.
	Craig, welcome to the show.
	Tony, let's start with you.
	Okay, thank you, Jim.
	Actually, I live just south of Portland on the border in Milwaukee, Oregon.
	I know you live in Oregon, Wisconsin, so we're kind of related there, I guess, a little bit, right?
	Yes.
	And also, I was born in Pasadena, just like you, but 20 years later.
	But most of my life, I've lived in Milwaukee and Portland, and I've seen the transition Over since the 1970s, Portland was kind of like a working-class, blue-collar, people live there, medium income, and it transitioned over the years.
	I mean, back in the day of 1977, Portland won the Trailblazers, won the championship, and that was the biggest thing that ever happened to our city.
	And then we had Over the years, I would say in the year 1990, we had a lot of, we became more hip to move to Portland.
	I guess the reason is that people, younger people moved to Portland.
	They enjoyed the outdoors.
	We have the beach and the mountains and it was relatively inexpensive, the rent and so on.
	And so we had a lot of younger people move in and more progressive.
	Um, I, you know, liberal people, minded people, and, and they brought in the culture, um, and gentrification of, you know, uh, especially Southeast Portland has a lot of, uh, neighborhoods, uh, and, uh, uh, like Hoffler neighborhood, Delmont, and so on.
	And they, they brought in, um, a lot of, um, bought a lot of restaurants and made them into nice, uh, restaurants, uh, And there's a foodie culture in Portland where people enjoy going to the restaurants and food from all over the world and also craft beer.
	And so the transition where more and more younger people moved in and so I think that it's hard to find native people actually, native Portland people like Craig and I living in Portland.
	And so I think that's the Transition that happened and then so my experience I got involved in the not Portland 9-11 truth Alliance group in 2006 and you are a big part of that listening to your radio and I wanted to get involved and There's a local celebrity named Mary Starrett She was on the she was a like a news anchor and also she
	The Christian Radio.
	And I invited her, she belonged to the Constitution Party, and she was basically talking about 9-11 being an inside job.
	And so I invited her to our group and she spoke.
	She was going to come to speak to our group, and we had our meetings at a lefty bookshop.
	And the first experience with Antifa was With her, they boycotted her talk because she was a religious woman, she spoke out against abortion, and so on.
	And that was 2007, I would say, Portland.
	That's the year that Antifa was born in Portland, and I think we were one of the first people attacked, and I had no idea who Antifa was.
	And so that was the beginning of it.
	And after that, our group was attacked constantly from them.
	Let's see.
	Would you like any questions?
	Sure, sure, sure.
	Let me just add, I have a special connection to Portland because my son actually graduated from Reed.
	It was the only school in the country he, his mother, and I could agree upon.
	We thought Portland was fascinating.
	We thought Reed would be perfect.
	Because he's a bit idiosyncratic and Reid is very tolerant of individuals with distinctive personalities, outlook, character.
	He's very creative.
	He did a lot of work in relation to theater.
	His thesis was a theatrical production with a commentary.
	Where I and one of my brothers, who was in the first class to graduate from Santa Cruz and majored in psychology and literature, had both read the script and couldn't make heads or tails of it, couldn't tell if it was a comedy or a tragedy.
	My wife's older sister read it.
	Yeah, one of you may want to turn off the, you know, the radio in the background and said it was the most depressing thing she'd ever read.
	Well, when his mother and I, we had some years been divorced, came for the performance We found it was an hilarious comedy so that he knew exactly how it was going to play when it was presented on the stage, even though reading through the script, you could not tell that really indicated to me he knew what he was doing.
	Now, Tony, I think you were living through an experience there.
	When did it become increasingly obvious that things were getting bad?
	When were, you know, aggressive actions that were taken by Antifa, Black Lives Matter?
	I actually in the intervening years came to Portland with Scott Brennan on a college campus there as Portland State as I recall and we did a symposium about Saudi Arabia and its involvement in 9-11 in the Middle East and we were Concerns, Scott being a former Army Intel and PsyOps officer, that Antifa and Black Lives Matter were going to show up and we would be, you know, obligated to deal with that.
	But they somehow decided to forfeit the occasion, even though they knew we were there.
	I'm very interested in how it gradually grew upon you, Tony, and then I'll turn to Craig.
	That what was going on in Portland really wasn't in the best interest of the residents of the city, that the mayor appeared to have a political agenda, and that bad things were taking place.
	Right.
	I guess, you know, for our group, it was constant from 2000 on that we would try to bring in speakers.
	And we would always, they would contact the venues we were going to hold the talk, and And Antifa would call the venue and almost every time the venue would back down and, you know, cancel the talks.
	We had like Lauren Marais, you're familiar with her, they canceled that talk and Gilad Otzman also.
	I know you remember you spoke at that Denny's restaurant, that nice venue they had there.
	Yes.
	few months later we had Gilad was going to speak at Denny's and they
	canceled that too. So it was a constant thing that the Antifa would, you know, I
	would try to book speakers and they would, we'd always have to move to a
	different venue and keep them quiet. And so it's from 2007 on that I saw that
	in Portland these venues would cancel and there was a support almost
	for Black, not Black Lives Matter, but for Antifa that they, I guess, was more
	intimidating, not support, they were intimidated by them.
	Right, at that time it was Antifa.
	This is crazy.
	And so it's not Ted.
	So that in that way, that was my first.
	And Tim, just to round out the point you're making, they were canceling because Black
	Lives Matter was calling them and threatening them.
	Right.
	At that time, it was Antifa, right?
	The Rose City.
	There's a group called Rose City Antifa.
	They were threatening them, saying we're going to protest.
	And, you know, the group and they would say they for they would.
	They called us Nazis and fascists and so on.
	And most of the members of our group are very liberal minded.
	You know, I would say kind of old hippies actually, you know, so it was kind of shocking to me that this was happening in Portland.
	I thought it was such a liberal, you know, open minded city.
	And, uh, I would, I would have hoped that, Okay, a little background on me.
	spirit of openness, but they were always back down.
	Tony, Tony, Tony, let's bring in Craig, Craig for a few minutes and then we'll come back
	and forth between the two of you.
	Craig, tell us something about your experience.
	Okay, a little background on me.
	I was born in Kansas and I lived there for about eight years altogether,
	but then spent most of the rest of my life in Portland.
	And Antifa started their chapter in Portland in 2007.
	And it was one of the first Antifa chapters in the United States.
	Now, in 2006, there was a big protest against the Iraq War in Portland, and in 2007, there
	was another protest, and both of those protests gathered about 4,000 people.
	And the protests seemed to be pretty across the board in terms of antiwar groups protesting
	the Iraq War.
	But at the end of the protest in 2007, In the evening, when most of the protesters had gone home, the Antifa continued the protest and led the police on a merry chase all over Portland.
	And that became a kind of template for further protests.
	In 2008, 9, 10, clear up to Ferguson, the Antifa were having anti-police brutality protests several times a year.
	And again, They would leave the police on a merry chase all over downtown Portland.
	They would set fire to dumpsters and turn over waste bins and occasionally break windows and do other vandalism to cars and various things.
	And so they were actually preparing for the events that would happen with Ferguson in 2014 and the emergence of Black Lives Matter.
	They were already practicing these kind of rioting techniques in 2008 and 9 and 10.
	So, after Black Lives Matter emerged in 2014, they were really joined at the hip with Anifa.
	You seldom see them appearing separately, especially in protests and rallies.
	Show up together and the membership is shared by, you know, many people who are in ANIFA or in Black Lives Matter.
	The slogans and the methods of Black Lives Matter have a lot in common with the ANIFA and so it's actually not Incorrect to speak of them as a unit.
	Well, you know, in Charlottesville, George Soros was busing in Antifa and Black Lives Matter members in the same bus.
	I mean, I think you're correct.
	And I meant to add, by the way, that if one were to go to donate to Black Lives Matter, the money actually goes to ActBlue, which is a Democratic Party fundraising site and wound up in the pockets of Beto O'Rourke and Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar, another of their ilk.
	I mean, it's all completely outrageous, but I think it's what we might expect when you have Tom Perez, who's an old-time radical from years back, running the DNC.
	It's really outrageous.
	Craig, I want you to tell us, how was the community reacting to these developments as things got more and more serious?
	Was the community feeling Something ought to be done?
	That corrective action should be made?
	That the mayor wasn't fulfilling her obligations to the community?
	What was the state of mind in the community as Antifa and Black Lives Matter took a more and more aggressive role within Portland?
	Well, the There is both opposition and support for Anifa and Black Lives Matter.
	And the support is sometimes not noticed until events happen that should be prohibited but are actually allowed by the government.
	The government has Over the past 10 years, the local government has become much more supportive of ANIFA and Black Lives Matter, and often caves to their issues.
	For example, there was an occupation recently during the past week of a house in Portland where an eviction was taking place.
	A complicated affair, but ANIFA, Black Lives Matter, had occupied that site, including a few armed individuals, and it occupied several blocks, and this went on for a better part of a week, and finally there was an autonomous zone they created.
	Yes, exactly, and apparently the ANIFA group was able to gather enough money to actually pay the debt that was owed.
	And so it was settled that way.
	But it's interesting that the city really allows this to take place.
	And another thing, just talking to people around town and looking at comments on news articles and that sort of thing, I see a lot of support for even some of the more extreme measures of NFA and Black Lives Matter.
	For example, many statues have been taken down around the city of And the funny thing about the elk is that it wasn't put up there by the Elks Club.
	It was actually just an animal that somebody liked, and some rich man had paid to have that statue put there.
	I don't know why it offended the NFL, but they did take it down.
	And yet, I was talking with people about their reaction to the removal of one of the statues, and I was surprised by how much support people had.
	Just random people coming to the park would see the statue gone, and I was there looking at it.
	I would explain it to them, and they approved of taking it down, many of them.
	Mm-hmm, definitely.
	Yeah, you see the people in Portland support, as a rule, Antifa, Black Lives Matter.
	I have a friend that has a large business and he's a Trump supporter and he told me there's no way, Tim, I could put a Trump sign on my business because it would be vandalized.
	It would be destroyed, you know.
	So the people of Portland, I think there is a small minority that support more conservative views or values or just logical,
	you know, reasonable views, but they cannot express it outwardly with signs. You drive
	around Portland, all Black Lives Matter signs and, you know, very... Well, Tim, I mean, Tony, tell
	me, they're destroying business in Portland.
	I mean, they're destroying the downtown.
	They're committing all kinds of illegal acts.
	Why would any member of the community support that?
	It's hard to understand.
	I don't understand it myself.
	My town of Milwaukee, like I said, it's a smaller community, and we would not put up with it.
	I know the people in Milwaukee would not.
	Allow Antifa to come into the downtown area of Milwaukee and vandalize their shops and businesses.
	There would be resistance.
	And so, but, even though it's just right next door, the culture is so different.
	Milwaukee is like, it's very, the demographics is a little different than Portland.
	Milwaukee's maybe a more blue-collar working people.
	It's like 97% white, which is crazy.
	it's not like ninety seven percent white which is crazy portland is like seventy
	seven percent white but uh...
	it's a bit for the whitest big city in united states but it's like they support
	that this craziness uh...
	Yeah, I don't know why.
	I think the businesses are intimidated by Antifa in Portland, that if they do speak up, there will be consequences.
	There is one restaurant in Portland, It's a rib, I think a rib place, and the uncle, Snoop Dogg's uncle owns it, and he spoke out against Antifa, and he's been vandalized twice.
	He's been what twice?
	They vandalized, they came in and started fires in his business, his restaurant.
	And why didn't the police respond and take them into custody, arrest them, these lawbreakers?
	Yeah, there is a video.
	It actually looks like a woman who, in the last case, went in the restaurant and started a fire.
	So they put the video out, you know, of this woman, but I don't think they pursue it that strongly.
	There's a lawlessness now in Portland where, you know, you see, you know, you drive down like the major freeways and they're going like 90 miles an hour.
	And, uh, because the police are just, um, and graffiti.
	I hope I see people openly spray graffiti on buildings out in the open, not at night.
	Um, just litter everywhere.
	Um, homelessness, uh, people can pitch tents anywhere.
	So this, since it's almost a libertarian lawless, I can't say libertarian, but it's a lawlessness going on.
	Anarchistic.
	Anarchistic.
	Yeah.
	Don't homeowners recognize their property values are just dropping like a rock?
	I mean, this is just... The crazy thing is the property values are going up.
	So there are sections of Portland that still look nice.
	Of course, you have, you know, residential areas that are maintained and look nice, but you get on the more the neighborhoods of the You know, the small downtown areas of Portland neighborhoods.
	Tony, Tony, Tony, are you telling me?
	People want to move to Portland more because it's lawless, because there's graffiti all over the place, because stores are being vandalized and set on fire?
	I didn't know.
	There's people that my friends that live in Portland that are moving out or have moved out because they don't like it anymore.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back after the break with Tony and Craig from Portland, Oregon.
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	And yeah, we're going to get back to your host.
	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal, where I thought it might be illuminating to invite
	residents of one of the cities that have been massively assaulted by Antifa and Black Lives
	Matter, including looting, arson, graffiti, assaults, even murder.
	And fortunately, we have contacts in Portland, Oregon, as well as Seattle.
	And today, I'm joined by Tony and Craig from Portland.
	Tony, you were making a few points.
	I was asking why the residents of Portland would put up with all this lawlessness.
	I'm still baffled to this day.
	Continue with your thoughts before the break.
	Okay, yeah.
	I just checked during the break, the real estate values from last year at home values went up 6.7% in Portland for homes.
	And they predict it'll go up 7.2% for next year.
	So, it's kind of a mystery to me because the city looks terrible.
	I mean, it's heartbreaking.
	You know, when I was young, I would enjoy going into Portland.
	People in Milwaukee looked up to Portland.
	You know, my town in Milwaukee.
	It was like our big brother, and we're proud of our neighbor to the north of us.
	And now it looks so bad, and it's heartbreaking.
	When I drive through Portland, it's almost like I have... I keep blinders on me because I don't want... It's heartbreaking to look.
	There's homeless camps and so on.
	So it's a mystery to me why the property values haven't dropped, that are increasing.
	So, that is a mystery to me.
	I don't know why.
	Okay, so why the people of Portland?
	There's a support for Antifa, and I belong to a group called Patriot Prayer.
	Are you familiar with them, Jim?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	So, Joey Gibson, he belongs to Patriot Prayer.
	He's the founder of Patriot Prayer.
	It's a group that started just after Trump was elected, and they saw people who were being assaulted and so on, and they thought it would be good to protect people that are being assaulted at marches and so on.
	And they did partner up with the Proud Boys.
	And I would go to these marches that would be with Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer together, and we would march around Portland with American flags and so on.
	And we would just be assaulted by Antifa.
	You've probably seen videos of the brawls that happen in Portland between Antifa and the Proud Boys.
	I've been in those brawls.
	But the media would cover it that the Proud Boys and the Patriot Prayer, these groups are, you know, are thugs and they're Nazis and so on.
	The people of Portland, they would You know, demonize us.
	You know, you can feel it when you're out walking on the streets that they would give you the finger and so on.
	So, for some reason, if you carry an American flag in downtown Portland or anywhere in Portland, you will be assaulted.
	So, it's crazy.
	Yeah, well, let me turn to Craig to talk for his observations.
	Craig, how could this have been allowed to progress, you know, at stages, admittedly?
	But I'm just baffled why the citizens of Portland didn't speak up in opposition and the role of the mayor here, especially, which, of course, was also crucial in Seattle.
	Any thoughts you have, observations, experience, please share.
	Well, you know, there are some curiously establishmentarian positions that the Anifa takes.
	The Anifa is very anti-9-11 truth, and from 2007 on, Anifa in Portland relentlessly attacked every member of our 9-11 truth group.
	Uh, calling us Nazis.
	And in fact, I've seen many times, uh, Anifa websites where, um, writers or commentators said that 9-11 Truth is a anti-Semitic and fascist position.
	Uh, also, uh, Anifa, in spite of their sort of liberation, uh, philosophy on the surface, they're very pro-Israel.
	And, uh, Also, you might think about the COVID-19 crackdown, lockdown, which has caused probably the greatest harm to small businesses and working people across the country.
	And in a sense, ANIFA is doing their part to finish off the small-time worker and business owner.
	Yes, yes, yes, I agree.
	That's really the objective of the whole coronavirus, to wipe out the middle class.
	But I would think those who are being harmed would be protesting pretty loudly about it, and I don't get that impression in either Portland or Seattle.
	Well, I don't think they connect the dots in the way I just did.
	And like I said before, there's a lot of support for ANAPA, a lot of people who are philosophically aligned with them, although they may not necessarily approve of their violent tactics.
	I hear a lot of that.
	And, you know, frankly, I'm quite a leftist myself.
	I have a lot of Opposition to the United States government.
	However, I also know Anifa would be a terrible thing to replace the government with.
	Anifa is basically Stalinist in their tactics, and anyone who disagrees with them, even on minor points, is labeled a fascist and attacked.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	That's all very good, but is it not well understood by the residents of Portland what this is really all about?
	I'm still just baffled at what appears to be the passivity, the way in which the public in Portland, the residents of the city, the homeowners, the store owners and all that seem to have been complicit in acquiescing before this full-on assault
	on the community. I just find it outrageous.
	Yeah, well, I'm not sure I know the full answer for that, but I do know that
	there's a great deal of support for the Black Lives Matter philosophy, and that support is
	very entrenched in the media and the ruling class.
	And I really think they're trying to pull us all in a direction of their choosing.
	I agree.
	It's that the media, they'll demonize groups like Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer.
	For small little things that Antifa, you know, I go to these marches and read the news later.
	So the news will make it seem like Antifa are angelic almost in Portland, in a sense.
	And so I think that people buy into the media spin.
	And when I tell people I belong to Patriot Prayer, you know, I've lost friends because of it.
	It's like they think I'm some right-wing Nazi where I'm I'm a registered Democrat.
	I'm more on the liberal side of things.
	I think it's the media spin and the people buy into, I guess.
	Wouldn't you say, Greg?
	I don't know.
	Oh, definitely.
	And you know, unfortunately, possibly the majority of people in this country are uh, slavish, uh, uh, uh, believers in the, uh, media and
	government spin.
	Um, they just start led like sheep wherever they, the, uh, establishment wants them to go.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	I mean, was there an effort by shop owners and so forth to convince the mayor that the police should be cracking down on Antifa and Black Lives Matter and their outrageous actions?
	I mean, how did this all evolve?
	Well, you know, protests such as your Mm-hmm.
	talking about do take place.
	And there are media articles about the damage that's being done to the shop owners and their plight.
	These kind of articles come out fairly often.
	But it doesn't become somehow a cause major for the public or the government.
	Tony, you want to add more?
	I mean... Yeah, it is peculiar.
	I agree with you, Jim.
	I don't understand it myself, even though I live here.
	You know, why isn't there more resistance?
	You know, I don't know if you've heard of the town Mossy Rock in Washington?
	Go ahead.
	It's a town in Washington that's halfway between Portland and Seattle.
	The, this is where the shop owners, it's not about Antifa, but about the COVID where the Governor Inslee in Washington is just as strict as our Governor Brown in shutting down restaurants and so on.
	So the Mayor and the Chief of Police and the City Council of this town of Mossy Rock, population 700, just a nice little town.
	Um, decided we're not going to obey the, the governor's, uh, um, dictates and, you know, they sold the shops and restaurants and bars to open up and they did.
	And so they have their own autonomous zone, which is interesting.
	They're there, you have, they have the support of the chief of police and so on.
	And, uh, the group Patriot Prayer went up there and had a celebration a week and a half, two weeks ago, uh, to open the place.
	And there was a, Even though the town is small, 700, I would say there's over a thousand people throughout the whole area.
	Washington and Oregon came there to support them.
	So this is an example of a town that, no, we're not going to put up with it.
	And we're going to not obey the dictates from the governor.
	But people of Portland, the shop owners, I would think if I owned a shop in downtown Portland, which has hit the worst, I would try to get my fellow Did you get an impression of the attitude of the police about this?
	you know, demand action be taken, but they don't.
	So it's a mystery.
	Did you get an impression of the attitude of the police about this?
	So in Portland, the police, yeah, it's, okay, when I'm in the, the Portland police,
	when I'm in these marches, they kind of halfway try to separate the Patriot prayer and the Antifa.
	Here's one example of what happened.
	This is last summer.
	Aaron Danielson, the man that was killed, remember?
	He was killed by an Antifa member at a march.
	His friends were going to have this small memorial service for him in the area he was
	killed, and they brought their American flags and so on.
	I got a text from Joy Gibson at Patriot Prayer, hey, we need help.
	This group is being attacked by Antifa.
	When I showed up, there was one police officer at the intersection, and Antifa was on the
	other side of the street, and the people that were doing the memorial service, they were
	being separated by one police officer from the other side of the street.
	That officer left, and now there was no police around, and the police officer would have to know that this group is, you know, mostly, mostly women were in the group.
	There's going to be attacked by Antifa, in which what happened, and it's like the Antifa, uh, then proceeded to just, uh, Throw things at us and be in our face and we decide, okay, we'll retreat, but there's no retreat with Antifa.
	They just follow you.
	So for a half hour, we're being attacked by Antifa.
	Um, you know, the, and, uh, no police, the police knew we were being attacked, but they did nothing.
	And it wasn't until somebody, a couple of people in pickup trucks, um, showed up and we, we jumped in their trucks and then we left and the Portland police did nothing to protect us.
	So, I think they're told to keep your hands off, you know, these interactions.
	You don't want to incite, you know, the antifa.
	One other example is that with Andy Ngo, you're familiar with him.
	He was a reporter.
	He was attacked in Portland.
	On that day, I was in a group.
	It's kind of a Patriot prayer group.
	That, uh, you know, we were in, we had a permit to be in the Pioneer Square.
	It's a courthouse, corporate, you know, um, outdoor area.
	And, uh, we are being harassed by Antifa, a couple of Antifa members.
	And I told the police, it's like, hey, we have a permit here.
	And the police just said, well, we were told not to, uh, interact because it might incite Antifa even more.
	So it's like, and later that day, then Antifa came and, you know, a big mob of them and really physically attacked us, you know.
	So, and Andy Nogod attacked that day, too, and injured quite severely with head injuries.
	So, and then that day, too.
	That's just giving in to the bullies.
	I mean, for the police to say, you know, it might antagonize them is just an excuse.
	It's giving them license to carry on with their illegal acts.
	Right.
	Exactly, you know.
	I find that attitude by the police insulting and completely unprofessional and irresponsible.
	Yeah, when Andy Ngo was attacked too, there were, you know, it was right, you know, I was, I didn't see it happen right there, but I was there that day.
	What I understand is he was attacked and he didn't have, he didn't get help from the police for the longest time.
	Um, and he was, you know, and it's just shocking sometimes, you know, they're, they're afraid of Antifa.
	They're like a mob, you know, the, you know, back in the day, you know, you had the mobsters, you don't want to, um, you know, I find it just unbelievably embarrassing.
	I mean, this is a total collapse of law enforcement and civil society in a major American city.
	Just outrageous.
	And actually with Ted Wheeler, the mayor of Portland, yeah, I mean, he's in a rockin' hard place.
	I know with what Craig was talking about, the house that was being foreclosed and they did an autonomous zone there, right?
	Ted Wheeler actually wanted to be a little bit, you know, go in and, you know, break up this autonomous zone, but there was, They did bring in some police squad cars, and they, about
	four of them, and they just, Antifa just smashed the police windows, and, you know, so
	they had a retreat, and they are attacking the police officers.
	And you look at the videos, it's like young women, and, you know, look like 90 pounds,
	just attacking these police officers.
	You're saying most of those in Antifa who are doing the aggressive attacks were women?
	Yeah, a lot of them, they put the women on the front lines, because I know that, you
	know, the situation where they had the memorial service for Aaron Danielson, you know, it
	was the women that were on the front lines that were being aggressive, you know, and
	for how, I don't want to hit a woman, right?
	So it's like, then you're kind of like, You know, and then they also have a man that, he's there almost every Antifa march, he's in a wheelchair, he doesn't have, he's missing, I guess he can't, he's paralegic or whatever, but they put him, so they put the handicapped, and there's another man that's like, a little bit mentally retarded I think, he's an older middle-aged man, and they put them in the front lines, so it's like, it looks bad if you, you know, you can't be aggressive towards them, right?
	And they make sure if they get maced or something, that takes the picture as, oh, this guy in a wheelchair got maced, right?
	So generally, wouldn't you say, Craig, that the women are out in front?
	They're being aggressive.
	Well, they're hiding behind dresses.
	This is an act of cowardice.
	Right.
	Yeah, it's a tactic they often use at their riots and protests.
	To put the women in front and often have the women do the provocative or aggressive acts and then they do a little shuffle and the men come out and beat up the offender.
	You know, by the way, one of the things that we often hear about the Anifa in the media is that they're not organized, which is a complete falsity.
	And we know that they have leaders.
	They have many websites.
	Each chapter has its own website.
	Usually Olympia, Seattle, Portland all have websites.
	And they have writers.
	There are people that are academics that write pro-ANIFA propaganda.
	I have personally witnessed ANIFA group in the park Practicing for their maneuvers for riots.
	They all had shields and batons and they were in formation and they had their leader giving them instructions and people play acting, attacking them and how to tighten their ranks and how to disperse and all of these things.
	Oh yeah, who made the absurd remark that it was just an idea?
	Was that Biden?
	The body double Biden?
	I mean, how ridiculous is that?
	Just an idea when they're maiming and looting and arson and all this.
	Ridiculous!
	Well, yes, and it's a meme.
	It's an idea that the Anifa promotes very vigorously itself.
	And the Anifa's defenders will often say, well, you know, these are just a bunch of random anarchists who show up, although they don't explain how it is they know when to show up at the same time and place, you know, which obviously is organization.
	But, you know, they just try to pass it off as being some nebulous, unorganized group.
	Uh, when we know that not to be true.
	Right, and then they have a great name, Antifa, anti-fascist, right?
	I mean, how can you be against anti-fascists, right?
	So that's where, too, it's like when people hear about my struggle with the Antifa, they're like, well, Tim, are you a fascist?
	Right?
	So it's crazy, you know?
	Tim, are they really that shallow?
	They can't see that this group practicing fascist techniques and calling themselves anti-fascist?
	That that's just propaganda and cover?
	Are the residents of Portland that naive, that gullible?
	I'm just dumbfounded.
	Yeah, I think that there's a good percentage of them that are that naive.
	You know, and you know, I think a good chunk of the people just watch the local news and the national news and read those.
	You know, the Oregonian is very pro-Antifa, so they don't look deeper than that, and I know I had a discussion with a lady at my church I go to, and she was shocked that I belong to, you know, Patriot Prayer, and I'm in marches with Proud Boys, and she was like, oh, you know, that is just terrible, Tim, you know, Tony, you know.
	Why was it terrible?
	Because they have this idea through the media that we are the fascist group.
	The propaganda and others have been highly offensive.
	Craig, further thoughts?
	Craig, didn't you say that you have people that think that it's actually the Patriot Prayer that does the vandalism?
	Yes, yes.
	My sister, for example, who I see quite often, and we go for walks and talk about these subjects, and I've told her many times that the reality is that it's the Antifa, Black Lives Matter group who are aggressive most of the time and starting trouble, and that the Patriot Prayer group is only defending itself in almost every circumstance.
	But nevertheless, not too long ago, she said to me that one of her greatest fears was these
	right-wing militant groups that come to the protests.
	The right-wing militant groups?
	Yes.
	Has she seen any right-wing militant groups looting and rioting and arson and assaulting people in Portland?
	Has she seen a right-wing group do that?
	No, but she relies on the mainstream media as her main information source.
	It's great having you guys here.
	I want to announce we're going to take calls this second hour.
	The number to call in, Mitchell, will field your call, 540-352-4452.
	I repeat, 540-352-4452.
	We have Tony and Craig from Portland, Oregon, who've lived through it.
	They'd love to take your calls, answer your questions.
	Please do join us.
	I repeat once more, the number, 540-352-4452.
	Mitchell will field your call.
	Standing by.
	Very glad to have you guys here.
	I think most of us find this whole situation just inexplicably perplexing, that how a community could allow itself to be taken over by vandals and looters and thugs and do nothing about it.
	And I think you're doing something to let us know about why that all happened as it did.
	Really, truly outrageous.
	We're now coming up to our break.
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	Meanwhile, Tony and Craig, I'm very interested in the current attitudes of not only residents of Portland or of Milwaukee or of other suburbs around Portland, but throughout the state toward your mayor and toward the governor of your state, who seemed to me To put their ideology and their political commitments to the Democratic Party and even Tantifa and Black Lives Matter ahead of their obligations to the residents and citizens of Portland and the state of Oregon.
	Please do, Tony, pick up there.
	Okay, so last summer the Proud Boys had Get Together in Portland, a national get-together.
	And they met, their meeting was going to be at Delta Park, which is an area outside, quite a ways from downtown Portland.
	It's a large park.
	And Governor Brown called a state of emergency because of this event, which was crazy.
	It's just a group of guys getting together.
	So she was outraged that the Proud Boys are going to be coming to Portland.
	Um, and, uh, so, and, you know, the city is being destroyed at riots every night.
	And she's, uh, she calls, uh, she could have called the state of emergency for that, but instead, kind of a get-together, a barbecue of Proud Boys getting together at a park, she calls the state of emergency.
	And, and the people of Portland were out, you know, here's the culture of Portland.
	The people of Portland, you know, were outraged that Proud Boys are coming to Portland, you know?
	You know, but outside of Portland, you know, in the rest of Oregon, Eastern Oregon, you know, is very rural, you know, and they're more, they don't support Kate Brown at all, right?
	So, it's almost a division of the state, and there's actually some counties voted to separate from Oregon and join Idaho.
	And we'll see how that goes, because they don't want to be part of Oregon anymore with our governor.
	They want to join.
	And it actually would make more sense if they joined with Idaho, you know.
	I feel like I would want to move there myself if that happened.
	But, yeah.
	Great.
	Pick up there, Craig.
	What are your thoughts about all of this?
	Well, the Anifa BLM, If you go to the BLM's Wikipedia site, it says that major funding for BLM has come from the Soros Foundation, from the Ford Foundation, and from the Democratic Party.
	And we know that a lot of that money probably goes to the ANFA too, because they're joined at the hip.
	There are a lot of people in Portland who have Revolutionary attitudes toward the government and the Anifa and BLM's actions appeal to that way of thinking.
	I think that a lot of the liberals and progressives, as they would call themselves in Portland, a lot of the Democrats who support Anifa, Don't realize just how violent and intolerant they are.
	And because that doesn't come out in the media.
	I'm really surprised.
	I'm really surprised.
	I mean, when you're right there living through it, not even the local newspapers, I got to admit the Wisconsin State Journal, which is the most prominent paper here in the state, published in Madison.
	Uh, there is a Milwaukee major paper too, has given nothing but propaganda about the election, about COVID, about the whole bit, just as it were the party line.
	I find it completely disgusting.
	So I wouldn't be surprised then You have similar circumstances obtained in Portland with your news media, television and the like.
	Do you have any conservative channels or spokesmen even on the radio that, you know, really are giving a more accurate portrait of what's actually going on?
	Or are you just at the mercy of the mainstream?
	You do, we do have Lars Larson is probably the most popular.
	I think he's national, too.
	Have you heard of him?
	Lars Larson, syndicated.
	But he, I guess in Portland, he's the most popular conservative or, you know, he has a daily, a weekday show.
	So, I don't know of any other, do you know, Craig, any other conservative?
	No, I really don't listen to any mainstream outlets of any point on the spectrum.
	At least not directly.
	all our newspapers and the local news, it's all spewing the propaganda. So generally, yeah.
	Well, how was the division, you know, the fact is that the whole vote thing was so fraudulent,
	using Dominion machines.
	I don't know what kind of vote we got out of Oregon, but I was predicting that Trump could even take a 50-state sweep.
	And as near as I can tell, he actually legitimately won.
	Some 73 or more million votes.
	These are legitimate votes that the Democrat Biden received around 23 million, which just reflects the enormity of the fraud.
	They had to make up in excess of 50 million fake votes to overcome Trump's legitimate votes.
	And even California and Minnesota actually went to Trump, according to the research I've done, which looks quite solid.
	And it's substantiated by the use of these Dominion machines.
	Were they being used in Oregon, too?
	Craig, you first.
	I don't know, because I didn't vote.
	We have mail-in voting.
	We've had it for over a decade now.
	I don't know how they count the mail-in votes, though.
	You know, you have to register to vote and then you get, you receive the ballot in the mail and you send it out.
	I know that there was a couple of years, about three or four, three years I did not vote and they kept, they keep track of if you don't vote, they don't send out a ballot.
	So I had to go back and re-register to vote.
	I don't, you know, the accuracy of the voting, I think it may be good in Oregon, you know, I'm not positive, but we had the same system.
	What was the required vote in Oregon, and did you guys think it sounded right to you?
	I don't remember the exact percentage, but you know, in Oregon, you have, you know, Portland's definitely, you know, going to vote a high percentage for Biden.
	You mainly see Biden signs.
	I don't think I ever saw one Trump sign in the city of Portland.
	You go outside of Portland, you'll see Trump signs.
	You know, go to Milwaukee or Beaverton, Gresham, you know, the suburbs, you'll see Trump signs.
	So you have a large population of very, you know, high Democrat population in Portland and in Eugene.
	And I think that those two areas will take the state.
	And that's why the rest of Oregon Especially Eastern Oregon.
	Very, very conservative.
	You know, ranchers and so on.
	Their population is so low that they don't have an effect.
	That's why they want to leave Oregon, the state of Oregon.
	Actually secede from Oregon and move to Idaho.
	I think elections may be fair.
	I don't know.
	I totally buy into the mail-in voting thing, though.
	You know, you could receive a ballot for your spouse and just fill it out, but as soon as you're on and yourself and mail it in, there's nobody making sure that that's the person who actually voted, right?
	You know, I don't, I think people should actually go to the polling area and vote myself.
	Well, you know, you know, That could change with online voting and iris recognition.
	That may be the future.
	Well, that would certainly be one way of guaranteeing the identity of the voter, would it not?
	I mean, that's pretty good.
	That's not bad at all.
	Because I think that we do have to return to paper ballots and hand counts if we want to get You know, reliable, restore integrity to voting, which seems to me to be absolutely indispensable, given our ability to determine the governance of the nation is among our most important rights under the Constitution, even if some may choose not to exercise that right.
	Craig, I take it that's been your practice for some years?
	I'm selective.
	Actually, I did vote on measures, ballot measures, but I didn't vote for any candidates.
	I really have turned my back on that.
	Not that I wouldn't in some special circumstance, but I'm really of the opinion that the government is monolithic and that the two-party system is a sham and they're all controlled by the wealthy ruling elite.
	I don't want to participate in it, but just by voting I think it gives your approval of a system that I don't
	approve of.
	Aha. Yes.
	Uh, uh, uh.
	Tony, your thoughts too?
	Probably similar to Craig's?
	Well, you know, I did, I've been a, you know, a Democrat my whole life, as actually a precinct party person for, you know, three or four years.
	And this is, the last election, 2016, is the first time I voted Republican.
	I voted for Trump.
	And, you know, I just see that I'm just so disappointed with the Democratic Party that it's just, it's moved not to supporting, you know, the working man, the farmers.
	It's more these, you know, side issues of gay rights and so on that, you know, it's just like they lost their way, I feel.
	One thing about the voting, I heard, I don't know if it was your show, another show, a long time ago, and it made a great, I thought it was a great idea, is have fifth graders count the votes.
	You know, you go to the elementary school, or grade school, where your children, if you had children, where they would go there and have the students run the elections, you know, with the teacher's help, and they count the votes, and you could have video cameras of the kids doing all the work.
	We have a caller from another Democrat-controlled state, namely Paul from California.
	being part of the election and that would get those children invested in, you know,
	and when they become older, in voting themselves.
	So, and we have a caller from another Democrat controlled state, namely Paul from California.
	Join the conversation, Paul, with Tony and Craig.
	I was laughing because I was wondering if they ever heard me on your show saying, you
	know, you've heard me say this, Jim, about they should have sixth graders, you know,
	at least they're not going to be corrupt yet anyway.
	Right.
	I guess I got it from your idea, and I thought it was a great, great idea.
	Okay, yeah, no, I mean, I was totally serious about it, actually, because this whole idea that we need some complex, you know, computer software system to do, you know, essentially what is compiling, as Jim has said, N plus one.
	I mean, it's just, it's ridiculous.
	Yeah, so.
	Right.
	No, I just thought I would call in real quick.
	As Jim knows, I'm the, of his listening audience, I'm the leading Nazi racist.
	I wouldn't describe you that way, Paul.
	That's your self-designation.
	You mean how well you can be portrayed by your enemies.
	It's hard to get around it when I got the poster of Hitler on my wall and I got the SS lightning bolts tattooed.
	But yeah, you guys are basically telling me that if somebody like myself was just to walk down downtown Portland in a MAGA hat, that we would probably get in a fight.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Oh yeah, definitely.
	It would be... I have a, you know, on Facebook, I have a friend and, you know, very liberal and I said, I'll pay your way to Portland, you know, stay at my home or hotel and You know, I'll give you, in return, I'll feed you and everything, nice restaurants in return.
	You'll spend two hours in downtown Portland waving an American flag.
	And it's like, no, you won't survive.
	You would be beat up.
	For sure.
	Just an American flag.
	What about if I had an American flag patch on my jacket?
	Would that do it?
	If they saw it, they would.
	There was one...
	Just a couple years ago, there was a man that was supportive of Antifa, and he was kind of clueless of the whole thing.
	He went to the Antifa march, and he waved an American flag, and they beat him up, even though he was supportive of the cause.
	And the police aren't going to do anything about it?
	At least they're just going to stand by and let an assault battery take place, even a vicious beating in front of their very eyes and do nothing about it?
	I think they would break it up eventually.
	Eventually.
	Eventually.
	We've got two other callers.
	I want Paul to stay with us, of course.
	Stardust Man from the Revolution Radio chat room.
	Join us, Stardust Man.
	Yeah, I got an idea I'd like to propose to everyone.
	What do you think about this?
	When it comes to counting the ballots, what do you think of having a video camera on the counting of the ballots so anyone in the United States who voted could watch the ballots being counted?
	Make the counting a public event.
	In other words, broadcast publicly.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I mean, look, I think what we're all looking at, and if you really just think about it, and Jim has talked about this on his show before, but right now what's happening is so, so brazen and so preposterous, you know, it just defies, the only conclusion you can draw is that they want us to know, you know, they want to rub our faces in it.
	I had the revelation the other day as I've been taking all this in and listening to Jim's shows, lots of other shows, reading, watching videos, that all of a sudden it just occurred to me that this may be just another larger operation of learned helplessness.
	And I'm thinking most people here are familiar with the concept of learned helplessness, and I think this is what's occurring.
	Even if they don't really intend it to be so, and I believe they do intend it, But it's perfect for that, because what it's training us all to see is that it doesn't really matter.
	The agenda will move forward no matter what, no matter how egregious, how blatant, how ridiculous, how absurd, how preposterous we all get to see.
	I mean, when you actually saw Joe Biden speak in the campaign, and we've all seen him since, the idea that millions upon millions upon millions of people would vote for this man Is absurd on its face, in my opinion.
	Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
	It's ridiculous.
	They couldn't get 10 people to a rally.
	They're even now announcing they don't want people to come to the inauguration because they know no one's going to come to the inauguration.
	Well, you know, this is Craig speaking.
	There are a number of independent journalists The most prominent of whom is Whitney Webb who lives in Chile.
	She's an American expat and she has a website called Unlimited Hangout and she also writes for Last American Vagabond.
	Anyway, what she and a lot of others are saying is that in the past couple of years there have been several government Planning sessions for drills, and they actually had drills for the exact scenario that's working out now.
	There was going to be a pandemic, and there was going to be a contested election, which results in civil disorder and military intervention.
	And these things were talked about in meetings, there's films and videos of these meetings, and it's something everybody should know about.
	Yeah, who was having those meetings again, Craig?
	U.S.
	government officials with health officials in the United States.
	U.S.
	government?
	If you look up Whitney Webb, some of her more recent articles deal directly with these issues.
	Well, we have a favorable impression of Whitney Webb, that's for sure.
	We have another caller here standing by.
	Darryl, join the conversation, please.
	Darryl Stardust, man, I'm the same person.
	Oh, Darryl, okay, go ahead.
	Add a further thought to Craig and so forth.
	Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, I just kind of wonder if both sides are, you know, trying to keep the truth coming out, because, you know, it's so simple just to do a simple thing like a video broadcast of the counting of the votes.
	And really, neither side has even brought that idea out, really, over.
	Well, you're talking about paper ballots and hand counts, right?
	That would be the key.
	No, I'm talking about a video camera videoing the actual count of the ballots being broadcast on live video.
	The point I'm making is the actual count they would be broadcasting is a hand count of paper ballots, right?
	Yes, but video televised to the world.
	I got it.
	I got it.
	The point was what they were broadcasting.
	Paul, go ahead.
	Well, OK, but yeah, I mean, there's already video or footage of a lot of this.
	But here's the problem with that is, OK, what gets broadcast to who?
	I mean, how many cities, how many towns, how many counties?
	I mean, it's it's unbelievable.
	Right.
	Some of these some of these states have I mean, Untold amounts of counties.
	So what is it?
	Who is it?
	Where is it?
	You're going to broadcast just the idea that, you know, the system is essentially controlled by those who have.
	How should we say a vested interest in its outcome?
	I mean, that's I think that's the main issue that we're looking at.
	And, you know, the point that I found interesting, by the way, in the first hour of the discussion was I forget which one of you said it, that Antifa, interestingly enough, is supportive of Israel.
	And does not like 9-11 truth.
	I had to crack up at that one.
	Yes, that was me.
	That was me, Craig.
	Yeah, OK, Craig.
	Yeah, that's a big fat kosher bagel I smell there.
	I mean, 9-11 was to benefit Israel, carried out by the CIA, the neocons, and the Department of Defense and the Mossad, right, Craig?
	So we see, you know, that suggests Antifa is an instrument of Israel, which of course controls the mainstream media, which of course suggests in turn that their major players here may be as major a player as China.
	Your thoughts, Craig?
	Well, yes.
	You know, three of the major national writers who are propagandists for Antifa are members of the tribe.
	And here in Portland, we've seen a lot of that membership in Antifa.
	Right.
	Alison Weir, are you familiar with her, If America's New?
	that you know are you familiar with Alison Weir? That she speaks on the
	Israeli-Palestinian issue and she came to Portland and when she was in Portland
	it just happened that Antifa had like a kind of a get-together at Portland State
	University and so it's gonna open to the public and then she attended and they
	recognized her which is so they knew who she was and they they went after her
	saying hey you talked about blood libel and and that's that's that's a
	conspiracy theory and they they removed her from the the venue.
	So, definitely, they knew who she was, which is crazy.
	So, yeah, definitely, it's a Jewish-Israeli organization, Antifa, from what I've seen in Portland, and what I've dealt with.
	Yeah, I probably don't have to tell you.
	I probably don't have to tell you guys, Craig, and the other guests.
	I forget his name.
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	Paul, you had some things you wanted to say just before we went to the break.
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	Well, I mean just regarding all the, you know, the so-called purpose of Antifa and the results of all the protests and the rioting.
	I mean, it's pretty obvious that it's just all about destruction and disharmony and, you know, disunity and essentially just doing accomplishing nothing, really, when you get right down to it.
	And, you know, of course, that's what the these people behind it, what they're that's what they're about, because historically, you know, they feel somehow this is this is the mental defect that's been debated about these people for a very long time is so many things that they do that they think are in their interest.
	Or, of course, contrary to their interest when people find out they're doing it or they're behind it.
	I mean, I just happened to be bumping from one site to another and I clicked on a link because it was a letter written by a Roman governor of Egypt in 41 A.D.
	And he used the term riot, you know, and talking about Jews.
	And he was actually going to ban Jews from coming into the city.
	This is like 2000 years ago.
	So, um, you know, not a lot has changed, you know, human nature, it's, it's hard to, uh, to change that.
	I mean, if it, I mean, biology is something that's real and these people want to try to lie to us and tell us it's not.
	And, you know, part of me to use a racially provocative word, but what they're really trying to do is turn these people into niggers.
	I mean, it's basically just like nigger behavior, what you're witnessing because decent, productive, uh, moral, Uh, you know, people that have jobs of all races, but I'll just say, you know, white people are not going to engage in this sort of pointless behavior.
	And a lot of these Antifa types that are protesting so-called fascism, what they really are thinking means government.
	They've never had really to deal with the government.
	Maybe they've had a traffic ticket or maybe they got like some minor drug bust, but most of them, they've never really had a beef of any significance with the so-called government.
	Meanwhile, You know, older adult, middle aged, you know, white business owners and business owners of any race get screwed over every single year after year after year, paying all the taxes and the permits and the fees and all the stuff that they have to do to make society enjoyable.
	What are these Antifa types do to make society enjoyable?
	Are they going to the park and trimming the hedges and picking up litter?
	No, they're just worthless scum.
	And I just really wish It would be open season, because I would love to go up there and kick some ass.
	A friend of mine actually wanted to go up last year.
	He wanted to drive up to Portland and engage, but he ultimately decided against it because he's already got one felony.
	But believe me, he would have done some damage.
	That's the thing about the way they promote or, shall we say, try to regulate these riots, keeping these sites apart.
	It's a smart thing, because if they were not to keep the sites apart, one side would clearly clean up the other.
	And that's what I think a lot of people want to see.
	Yeah, this is Tony.
	That's true.
	But if you come to Portland and engage, and you actually do, you beat up an Antifa member, they will, you know, there will be prosecution.
	Prosecution against you, legally.
	Mike Schmidt is the district attorney.
	He releases Antifa as soon as they are in jail.
	He releases them the next day.
	But if you're with Patriot Prayer or the Proud Boys, he takes a book at you.
	So, that's the problem.
	That's really disgusting.
	How do the people of Portland feel about that?
	Well, the people of Portland generally, they demonize Patriot Prayer.
	They're clueless about the organization.
	They think it's a white supremacist group, but Joey Gibson, he's half Japanese, half white.
	Another member, Tiny, he's no longer, you know, he's a Polynesian.
	And many of the members are diverse, but they put out that, you know, they're demonized as Nazi white supremacists, and the people believe it.
	And they approve of Mike Schmidt's, you know, You know, I've had an exaggerated impression of the intelligence of Portland residents, Tony, I got to admit.
	I mean, a lot of this is so obviously inequitable, unjust, illegal, inappropriate.
	I would have thought the community would be outraged at the behavior of their own police and district attorney and mayor, and it doesn't appear that that's the case at all.
	That's not the case.
	That's true.
	And coming to a town near you, too, because they've done it here.
	The guy now in L.A.
	that was here in San Francisco, and he's already given a press conference and talked about he's going to eliminate cash bail.
	He's going to not prosecute what they call low level offenses.
	This is all part and parcel of essentially deconstructing the social order.
	Making society unpleasant because this is what these people do.
	And again, I go back to this, whatever mental malfunction they have, that somehow they think that serves their interests or serves their purposes when all it really has done throughout history is make people hate them and make people want to kill them.
	And in many cases, make people kill them.
	Bring Darrell back into the conversation.
	Darrell, your thoughts.
	I'd just like to clarify something for all those people out there in Radio Land that the definition of nigger is not knowledgeable about the fact and give you a very quick example of me being a nigger at one time is I ate the center of a pineapple and I did not know that that thing would make my mouth bloody and I was ignorant of the fact.
	That's interesting.
	You mean you ate a pineapple, the external covering of a pineapple?
	No, the center of a pineapple.
	Do not eat the center of a pineapple because you might well chew on a fiberglass broomstick.
	Okay.
	You learn a lot of stuff on this show.
	Tony, go ahead and give us further thoughts about Portland.
	I'm just baffled.
	I would have thought, you know, the residents would be concerned about the welfare of their city and its future.
	In the face of this massive assault, I get the impression that's just not the case.
	Yeah, again, it's a mystery to me too, the people of Portland.
	Generally, I guess they've been misinformed, right?
	And I think that the demographics of Portland has changed.
	You know, you had in the 70s, the people of Portland would not put up with it.
	But, again, most of the people that live in Portland today are not from Portland.
	They've moved in, they're younger, they're hipster types, you know, and... Stupider.
	Yeah, and on the west side of Portland, they really haven't got the, you know, besides downtown Portland, the effects of the Antifa.
	The Antifa stays on the east side of the downtown area or north Portland.
	Most people in general, and they're probably the same, have a fairly low level of sophistication.
	You have to take more than a single step.
	You've got the hipsters on the East Side and they're just uninformed I guess.
	Most people in general, and they're probably the same, have a fairly low level of sophistication.
	You have to take more than a single step.
	You can't just read a paper, listen to a radio program, or a television special.
	I mean, there's, as Jim knows, having done the research he's done.
	But once you take a few steps, you know, you venture down any number of rabbit holes.
	You don't have to go that far to see the writing on the wall.
	But a lot of these people do not.
	And speaking of this, this D.A.
	there, I think you said his name was Mike Schmidt.
	Yeah, Mike Schmidt.
	I would imagine, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if he falls under the category of one of these many Uh, races that was supported by George Soros foundation.
	Um, there's a, was a great article a few months ago and it's been reprinted or reposted on a winter watch.
	Um, and it was about the, what he called the race to the bottom where they Soros foundations have funded, uh, these DA races, which typically don't tend to be that well funded.
	So what they do is they'll, they'll pick a candidate and they'll provide him with the lion's share of money to see that he gets elected.
	And of course the agenda, Is what you're seeing in all these major cities, which is more crime, more unrest, more strife, a deconstructing of the social order, because that's what they want to do to this country, you know?
	Well, you know, yeah.
	Yeah.
	In Berkeley, during the riots there a couple of years ago, they were led by a group called By Any Means Necessary.
	It happens that By Any Means Necessary was founded in, I think, 1995 in Berkeley by school teachers.
	And the leader of the protests in Berkeley a couple of years ago was a school teacher.
	The bike lock attacker was a college professor.
	Any junior grade.
	But anyway, in Portland, since 2016, the Portland Association of School Teachers has hosted a Black Lives Matter week in the public schools.
	And they weren't able to hold it this year because of COVID-19, but it's a week-long teach-in on BLM
	that is in the public schools, hosted by the schoolteachers.
	You've got this very large block of schoolteachers in Portland
	who are totally behind BLM and Antifa.
	And why is that?
	Why are they behind BLM and Antifa?
	Why?
	I don't get it.
	Because they're mostly women, Jim.
	Okay?
	Women are extremely susceptible and gullible to this kind of crap.
	I'm sorry, I'm just speaking the truth here.
	You know, most school teachers are women.
	So, that's why.
	And because they feel sorry for people, and in many cases they don't have the experience.
	The people that are protesting, you know, uh, this, uh, white nationalism or white supremacism and not, you know, none of these people, I bet you right now close to zero has ever had anything bad done to them by like a white supremacist.
	Okay.
	It just hasn't occurred.
	It's a phantom, right?
	And the whole thing about black lives matter, anybody who's really dealt with like low class criminal blacks or seeing what some blacks can do to a neighborhood once they start moving in large numbers.
	They're not gonna be behind BLM.
	A lot of blacks don't like BLM because they know what blacks are like.
	Like I said, I've said on this show before, I've had black friends tell me that the average white person doesn't have any idea what low-class, ghetto, criminal blacks are really like.
	Okay?
	So to feel sorry for them or to think they're getting a raw deal in society is just stupid.
	Because meanwhile, you've seen people come here from poor countries with nothing, Like the Vietnamese, and you know, Laotians, and all sorts of people from different parts of the world, and they just keep their mouths shut, and they get jobs, and they save their money, and they study in school, and they do fine.
	You know, what's the problem with blacks?
	Right?
	I mean, they get all the affirmative action programs, they get government subsidies, all this stuff that's to help them.
	So what's their deal?
	And even African blacks, you can hear them online, I've read them, I'm almost done here.
	But yeah, you can see posts by blacks from Africa that come here and they'll talk about, hey, what's going on with these American blacks?
	Why are they so angry?
	You know, this is a great country.
	And I met one in person, not a lot, small sample size, but I met one in person that had the same attitude.
	He was like a happy, hardworking, successful guy from Africa, not from America.
	And he chuckled.
	He just didn't understand what the deal here was with American blacks.
	Of course, I wasn't sophisticated enough at the time to tell them that they've been a victim of Jew brainwashing forever.
	Go ahead.
	I think the police brutality toward blacks issue is being promoted by Black Lives Matter and other groups.
	In the same way that the COVID-19 lockdown is an overreaction to a virus that might be real, but is nowhere near as dangerous as they're portraying it.
	And it's very odd that this revolutionary group, Anathaw, and their stepsister, DLM, are going after this issue of black rights when There's an entire, you know, working and poor class of Americans of all races who are suffering a lot of the same problems.
	And, you know, I really think that focus on the black issue is meant to take the focus off the issue of poverty in America.
	That's a good point.
	Well, the latest studies I've shown suggest that America is actually the least racist society on earth.
	I think the UK is pretty much there.
	That's a massively multiracial country.
	London may be the most Sophisticated multiracial city in the world, but the idea that racism is a major issue here in the United States, I think is completely ridiculous.
	I mean, our most admired figures and celebrities, sports figures, actors, actresses, singers, entertainers, a large percentage are black and among the most highly paid and Encoddled in American society.
	We have all kinds of officials in government who are black.
	We not only elected a black president, but we reelected him.
	I really felt that was the end of the issue, but it's clear that they have tried to reignite or aggravate You know, racial tensions that really were a relic of the past, and that that's part and parcel of taking down statues that were supposed to represent reconciliation between the North and the South.
	I mean, these statues of the Civil War Southern generals, for example, was a gesture of appreciation to suggest they weren't in fact traitors.
	They were simply representing conflicting interests of Americans who thought that they were entitled to a different type of life than other Americans.
	The whole thing is just, in my opinion, completely outrageous and the idea that black lives matter.
	You know, we have to separate the slogan from the reality.
	Of course, Black Lives Matter, but the slogan is just a monstrous element of a propaganda campaign that has no warrant or justification.
	It's trading on an elementary fallacy of equivocation.
	We got a phrase that has more than one meaning because the Black Lives activists are thugs and bullies and in fascists and in monsters and they're not good people,
	whereas black lives generally, black people, at least in my experience, are just as good
	an American as most Americans.
	In fact, when you get deeper into black society, it's like they have the kinds of values that were conventional in America in the 1950s and 1960s.
	Most blacks don't approve of Black Lives Matter, I'm sure of it.
	Yeah, there's a lot of stuff there I would I would take issue with.
	I don't want to break it down completely, but the reason that they're doing this, just like the reason they do so many things, it's an inversion.
	OK, so in other words, the reason that they're trying to push homosexuals and lesbians and, you know, a lot of blacks into government, make them police chiefs, make them mayors, make them governors, make them DAs.
	They know that this is exactly, you know, this is a way of slapping us in the face.
	Okay, you can say what you want about blacks, and you know, I've said many things and so have you, but when they try to ram into our faces telling us that black lives matter, they really don't believe that themselves.
	I'm talking about the Jews who are behind this, right?
	They do not believe that themselves, and they know that we don't want to hear it, and we mostly don't believe it either.
	Okay.
	So this is, this is, they're using it as a, as a weapon, you know, that's the side issue to it.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	So here, here in Portland, only 6% of the population is black.
	Um, and they used to belong historic Oregon was a racist state.
	You were not allowed to live in Oregon if you were black and they, um, and the black, there was only like a thousand blacks, um, Back in, you know, the turn of the century.
	And then during World War II, we needed labor.
	And then so many blacks came to Portland, and they were, they lived in a place called Vanport, and that was flooded in the 40s.
	And then they moved to an area, Albina, in North Portland, and they were kind of segregated into that area.
	So, and so there was racism back in the day.
	And, but, and then what happened, Albina, became as close to downtown Portland, it became gentrified,
	and they were, then they moved way back, far away from, you know, the east side of Portland, and it's called the Numbers
	if anybody, if you go past 82nd, it's called the Numbers, so they were dispersed into the poor white community.
	So that's where most of the blacks live now in the poor white areas. So it's interesting that when they had their
	own community in the 50s, there was a stable community, and they, because they had their own culture.
	But in the 70s, in the 80s, early 80s, they became, you know, they had the introduction of drugs and so on.
	And it became more of a slum area.
	Exactly.
	But deliberate, deliberate, maybe deliberate, but it was you read articles, they keep on saying, well, Oregon has this path to racism.
	And they keep on pushing that thinking that we are still maybe still racist because we had that past back in the day
	but there's so many people from portland are not from portland
	and they are very liberal minded they're not racist
	and the people that pushing black lives matter in portland are not black they're white
	it's right and and having said all that and i agree with a lot of it and i
	i i i will put it this way i don't disagree with a lot of it
	but here's the other reality that we all need to face and be honest with each
	other on the show and i think within the conversation nationally that we need to have
	is you don't want portland to become thirty percent black OK, just like you look at what's happened to places like Detroit and Baltimore and so on.
	It's not a recipe for success.
	OK, so there is, you know, there's no doubt the past is the past, but there are still things in today's world that are that are realities and that have to be dealt with.
	And the bottom line is a stable, you know, successful area.
	Uh, is, is not going to be benefited by bringing in, uh, you know, lower achieving and in many cases, criminal prone, prone elements.
	And, and this, by the way, it's well known to be biological.
	There's just no getting around it.
	So if that's an honest conversation, then, you know, see, this is a problem that you have with the mainstream media and what they promote is they just always want to tell you it's skin color.
	Oh, it's just, oh, it's just the amount of melanin in your skin, which of course is absurd and ridiculous.
	So there is something to be said for separate communities and many, many people on both sides feel that's a better, that's a better fit.
	Right.
	Anyway, just real quickly, some friends of mine live in Bend, Oregon, and they were talking, he was telling me about one of the major supermarket chains there.
	His sister was a cashier.
	And they wanted everybody to wear a BLM pin, a Black Lives Matter pin on their uniform.
	And, you know, she was pissed.
	She didn't want to do it.
	And I remember asking my friend, I said, well, how many people, how many blacks are in Bend, Oregon anyway?
	He goes, I don't know, maybe three.
	There's nothing worse, in my opinion, than making white people grovel to blacks about something that in many cases they had nothing to do with.
	And the average person that I've known, just like myself, I'm friendly and decent and polite to pretty much everybody I meet.
	I'm not going to do you any wrong.
	Yeah, I think Darryl wanted to speak some word in edgewise.
	Darryl.
	Sure.
	Yeah, I'd like to say something about that particular situation.
	I live here in Harrison, Arkansas, and it had a reputation from many, many, many years ago of running the blacks out of town, you know, or hanging them.
	And when I moved into this town back in 2001, the sign alongside the road, you know, for the litter pickup, you know, the litter is picked up by this organization.
	It was picked up by the KKK.
	Oh, they disappeared years ago.
	And this community has changed a lot since then.
	And so, but the history still sticks with you.
	Even though you change, that history still sticks with you.
	And you go to Google, and you do any search engine you want, and you look up, and Harrison, Arkansas will come up as the most racist town in the country.
	And so, sometimes you try to shake that off, and it has changed.
	But history, it follows you, over.
	Okay, good, good, good.
	We're almost to the end.
	Tony, Craig, maybe a final thought from each of you, and then I want to just mention what I take to be this Pentagon abrupt termination of the transition process with Biden.
	Tony?
	Yeah, I think that Portland, I hope it doesn't become a model for the rest of the nation.
	I don't think it will, but I pray it will not.
	It's sad to see the destruction of a beautiful town.
	Craig, your final thoughts?
	The NFA needs to realize that real communists support the entire working class, not just one race.
	Well, I thank you both for coming on.
	You were simply excellent, and it helped us to gain some understanding of what happened in your community.
	Which we've all admired in the past, but been completely perplexed by the events that have transpired there, as in Seattle, as in Minneapolis and other communities.
	My final thought here about the Pentagon termination of the transition with Biden, this may be The beginning of the end of the charade with a stolen election of 2020.
	The president had an executive order of 12 September 2018 that it gave him a great deal of authority to act if they were determined to be foreign influence in our election.
	That appears to be the case now.
	I believe we're in for quite a ride here and I recommend everyone Stock up, have supplies for a 10-day period anyway.
	Food, water, ammo, you know, just be prepared.
	Probably we're going to be staying home while a massive mop-up operation takes place.
	That's my anticipation.
	I share it for its advisory worth in relation to contemplating the situation we're now in.
	I want to thank everyone who participated.
	Great calls, Daryl, Paul, as usual.
	Excellent to have them here.

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