Dave Smith & Joe Rogan HUMILIATE Douglas Murray Over Israel!
American comedian Dave Smith and British cultural critic Douglas Murray recently joined Joe Rogan for a much-discussed episode of The Joe Rogan Experience. Murray confronted Rogan and criticised him to his face for platforming non-experts to discuss historical and political subject matter. Murray also claimed criticizing such figures was like “punching jelly” because they would fall back on an “I’m no expert” or “I’m just a comedian” defense. Yet when questioned about just who should be allowed to speak on which topics, Murray (who, by the way, has very limited credentials of "expertise") himself turned to jelly, arguing that he hadn’t said that only experts should be “platformed,” at which point he pivoted to arguing with Smith for referring to the United States as “we” when discussing the myriad wars the US has fought around the globe. Jimmy and Americans’ Comedian Kurt Metzger discuss the series of semantic arguments Murray brought up throughout the show rather than debate the substance of even the subjects he brought up. Plus segments on the recent SCOTUS ruling that the Trump administration must facilitate the return of a Maryland man wrongfully deported to an El Salvador prison and RFK Jr.’s prediction that we will know the real cause of the autism epidemic by September. Also featuring Mike MacRae and Stef Zamorano. And a phone call from JD Vance!
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Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Hey, man, this is J.D. Vance.
This is my favorite.
This is my new favorite impression.
That's me.
Hey, Mr. Vice President.
How you doing?
Okay, for real?
For real, for real?
Yeah.
I'm doing pretty awesome, man.
Well, that's nice to hear.
What's put you in such a good mood?
Basically, I'm just doing a really good job at work.
And I'm one of those guys that just, you know, that makes me feel good.
I totally understand.
Could you elaborate?
Well, do you remember how the sort of main part of my job was just to say stuff that makes people mad?
Yes, I do.
Well, obviously, it stands to reason that the more people I make mad, the better I'm doing at my job.
So if I can say, so if I can say one thing and make a vast multitude of people angry, then I'm improving workplace efficiency, right?
I suppose you're right.
Well, my dude, how's about 1 billion people?
Wow.
That's right, Jimmy.
I pissed off the entire nation of China.
How so?
Well, in the course of explaining the president's approach to tariffs, I condescendingly referred to the quote Chinese peasants.
Oh, no.
This is real, by the way, who work in the factories over there.
And their social media is going bananas or whatever they cut up on their cereal over there.
Mango, I don't know.
They get so mad, dude.
They are so sensitive.
Have you ever insulted a Chinese person?
No, never.
Yeah, sure.
Well, all you have to do is just joke about them being, you know, bad drivers or something.
And they flip out like, fuck you, round eyes.
We invented fireworks or whatever.
They're very proud of their shit.
So calling them a bunch of peasants is like deploying a nuclear weapon.
Yeah, I'd imagine.
So now they're insulting me back.
Retaliatory insults, right?
Bold move.
So far, they've been pretty weak sauce, pointing out that I'm the peasant.
I'm the peasant because I wrote a book called Hillbilly Elegy.
Like, yeah, Yao Ming, I named the book that.
Let them burn.
But if they do manage to land a zinger, I will have to counter retaliate with further insults.
That's just how this is done.
Oh, no, please don't.
Dude, I'm being totally serious right now.
I'm not playing.
Well, what would you say?
What would you say?
Okay, you know, those like famous terracotta warrior statues that were supposedly buried with the first Han emperor thousands of years ago.
There's hundreds of these clay fuckers, and they got found by an archaeologist in the 70s.
You've seen them, right?
Yeah.
Dude, everybody knows those are fake as shit, but nobody has the balls to say it.
It is so obvious, dude.
They don't even look old.
Each one of those things looks like something you'd buy at home goods for $39.99, reduced from $59.99 because no one is buying them because they're dumb.
They're cheap and fake, and the Chinese made them just to look cool to the world.
That's quite an accusation.
Oh, come on, dude.
I thought you of all people would be all over this.
I'm sick of this shit.
These lying-ass Chinese people.
Okay, come on now.
What?
I didn't say a bad word.
What, ass?
Sorry, not sorry.
I'll insult their statues.
America is tired of this and we don't have to put up with it anymore.
Did you hear that Trump just put a 90-day pause on all these tariffs except China?
No.
Wait, are you serious?
Yes, just earlier today.
God damn it.
There's a specific dude whose job it is to come tell me this stuff.
Maybe he got doged.
Anyway, what that means on my end is that I have to pause insults on other countries like Denmark and Canada, but I have a green light to insult China still, which is good.
Most of my roast jokes are about China anyway.
Does the president really have any plan at all with these tariffs?
This just sounds like chaos.
Between you and me, I'd say absolutely not.
Like no doubt, dude.
But publicly, I'll say the president is playing 5D chess that no one in the world is smart enough to detect, just him.
Honestly, Trump doesn't seem like a guy who'd even play regular chess.
Oh, no way.
Supposedly, someone tried to teach him one time, and details are sketchy, but there was a lot of yelling.
The board got ripped in half, and he had eaten at least one of the chess pieces.
I see.
Yeah, dude, I'm staying out of it.
Somebody basically gave a monkey a gun, and I'm just sticking to my assigned tasks of making people mad by saying things, which I'm very good at.
And my target is now the Chinese.
So that's like fishing a barrel.
So I'm in my lane.
I'm focused, unbothered, moisturized, ready for the task at hand.
So you're just really thriving then.
Jimmy, you know it.
It is an amazing time to be around.
You know, if you're not most people.
Shouldn't your administration be trying to improve people's lives instead of financially imperil them?
Well, now that's so stupid, it sounds like something a Chinaman would say.
Oh, God.
Boom!
Roasted.
That's from the office.
I got you and China in one zinger.
Am I the insult goat or what?
Just earning my paycheck, doing the thing.
Okay, well, I have to go.
I'm going to get AI to make a fake commercial for a restaurant that serves dogs and cats.
I'll let you know how it turns out.
Later, Gator.
Okay.
Okay.
So Dave Smith went on Joe Rogan's show, and he debated this guy, Douglas Murray.
Douglas Murray, number one best-selling author of eight books.
Blah, blah.
He writes for The Spectator, The New York Post, and he's a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, right?
So that's just suspect.
But Douglas Murray is not an expert on anything.
He is a, he's, I think he has a bachelor's degree in, what is he?
Can you see what he has his bachelor's degree in?
I want to say English, but I think that's wrong.
But anyway, but the reason why I mentioned that is that his whole argument gets his whole argument is you're not an expert.
Meanwhile, he's not an expert.
What does that mean?
You're an expert, right?
Dr. Fauci's an expert, right?
The people saying that we should have gone into Iraq and Libya and Ukraine, they're experts.
Degree in English?
Degree in English.
Is that what it's?
Yeah.
Douglas Murray?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's a degree.
He has an undergraduate degree, right?
Just a bachelor's in English.
So, I mean, and if it wasn't for the people who, anyway, let's, I'm going to play a little bit of this for you.
And just to look, just to show you, by the way, Joe Rogan's audience completely revolted against Douglas Murray.
Now, Douglas Murray, a lot of people liked him.
I like the when he argued against censorship.
He argued against open borders in Europe.
And so that's not to say that he's wrong about everything.
I'm just to say that during this debate on Joe Rogan, he exposed himself for using the most morotic non-arguments possible.
And you're going to see it.
I'll play this for you.
This is like five minutes.
I'm just going to, let's just watch this.
I do also think that one of the bigger, kind of the bigger picture dynamics to all of this is that we have, at least since 9-11, been in a state of perpetual war.
And all of these wars have been disasters.
They have been so many lies involved in selling all of them.
I mean, no, just I'll stop it quickly.
Douglas Murray, very pro-war.
Keep that in mind.
Okay.
And so that's why he's not going to, he doesn't like Dave saying this.
And he's, you know, so again, wrong, tremendously wrong on hugely important things.
He's not an expert on war.
He's not a general.
He didn't go to war college, but he gets to opine on it.
Everybody gets to opine on it.
Okay, here we go.
The whole Iraq war, the whole war in Afghanistan, just lying the whole way through.
I mean, I remember literally having conversations with Green Beret is in the middle of the war in Afghanistan.
And they're like, George W. Bush is telling you that the army we're building up there is really successful.
This thing's going to fall in a week without us.
And then all through the Obama administration, it's just like lie after lie after lie with disastrous wars.
And so this does create a fertile ground for people to say, I wonder if they were lying about all these wars.
Sure.
Again, I'm not really trying to argue about World War II.
I'd rather argue about these wars.
I think the interesting question is whether you're busy watering it.
Well, should you not talk about mistakes that were made overall?
Absolutely.
Okay, you should.
Absolutely.
So he's immediately contradicting himself.
So Douglas Murray immediately says, you shouldn't say that you shouldn't talk about this things.
And then Joe says, well, you're not supposed to talk about it.
He goes, oh, no, you should talk about it.
Okay.
I mean, it's like this for an hour.
At least.
I should say what I want.
That's what he means.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So Kurt is here.
Hi, Kurt.
Hey.
So here we go.
Right.
All four going back and looking at Mr. Murray.
So what is your argument though?
So what is your argument?
Well, here's, let's hear what he's, let's hear this security logic he uses.
Very weird thing to go back, zone in on a man, say this one thing is a mistake and should characterize him, and you ignore everything.
You're taking him out of context when you're talking about Darryl, who's done, what was it, 30 plus hours?
So what?
30 plus hours of mistake.
You do that in a week.
Yeah, it's a very different thing.
It's very different.
It's very different.
He's not doing a podcast like talking to people.
Okay, nor is he doing scholarly work, nor is he working in the archives.
Come on.
I mean, this is, he is not the historian of our era.
He's not complaining.
So nobody's allowed to give an opinion or to do 30 hours of a podcast on a subject if you clearly don't have a degree in it.
He doesn't have a degree in shit.
Does he have an honorary PhD from Tel Aviv or something?
No, he has an undergraduate degree in English.
Yeah.
Wow.
Well, he's got a PhD in sass.
This is a theme joke.
This is like punching jelly.
No, but you can't.
You don't want to dance around his work.
I'm saying, because I don't need to consume endless versions of a revisionist.
Like punching jelly, is that some kind of homophobic slur?
Well, Mr. Murray, jelly's right there.
Start punching.
Don't tell me about punching jelly and don't punch the jelly.
Great.
Now I'm hungry and I have a boner.
Okay.
So my point is, he doesn't ever punch.
He just makes these BS arguments that you're not an expert and you're focusing on the wrong.
He doesn't ever make an actual argument about anything.
This was a bad idea.
So what I think Douglas Murray.
So first of all, Glenn Greenwell made this point that if someone has a British accent, most people ascribe about 20% higher IQ points than they should.
And if someone has a Southern American accent, they go 20% lower than they should.
But this is Sam Harris for some reason.
They give him like 40 points.
Yeah, because if you talk really softly, really softly, it makes you sound smarter.
If more kids had died in the pandemic, then a lot more people would have been concerned about the dead kids.
Yeah, if something that didn't happen would have happened, then things would have been different.
If the facts would have lined up differently, believe me, things would have been different if the facts were different.
That's Sam Harris's argument about COVID.
And now his, his, so anyway, so let's get back to this.
History, I understand revisionist history.
If you listen to his work, it's not revisionist history.
He's basing it on historical.
Yeah, I know.
Okay, so this is my point about jelly.
It's a shape-shifting thing.
Comedian or historian.
He's not a comedian.
Historian.
So he's saying that you can't be a comedian and talk about history.
You have to be a history expert, meaning you have to be degreed.
I guess that's what he means.
And if you're a comedian, you're not allowed to talk about anything, which is just complete garbage.
Say it.
Dave Smith is the shape-shifting jelly.
Yeah, that's what he's saying.
Pick one, comedian or historian.
But what are you?
What are you?
Douglas Murray is you're not a historian.
You're not an expert.
You're just a guy with an accent who's wrong about most things.
Right about some things.
Yes.
Right about some things, wrong about most things.
And wrong in a glaring way.
Or podcast.
Would-be historian or actual historian.
You say he doesn't claim to be a historian, but he's pumping out tens of hours of Dan Carlin.
He doesn't claim to be a historian either.
You see my point about the move.
So Dan Carlin, no, he doesn't criticize Dan Carlin because Dan Carlin agrees with him on Israel, Palestine, and all the other garbage.
So it's okay if a guy isn't a bona fide historian, credentialed, and he opines.
It's just what people that disagree with him.
So this was the worst idea for Douglas Murray to do this.
What I think Douglas Murray thought, I think he thought he was such an intellectual superior to Joe Rogan and Dave Smith that he was going to just come in there and be able to just wipe the floor with them.
And then, of course, Dave Smith and Joe Rogan are much smarter than he thought they were and just using basic logic.
And he gets exposed.
This was such a bad idea for him to do this.
Such a bad idea.
He lost lots of fans.
You know who didn't lose lots of fans?
Joe Rogan and Dave Smith.
They didn't lose one fan during this.
This guy, lots of people were like, you know what?
I really liked him because of what he said around Decensive or COVID or immigrant.
Yeah, but this was just disgusting.
Yes, it was.
Okay, so I'll try to stop stopping it, but here we go.
It's like some weird jiu-jitsu move.
No, I don't want to.
Where you say, hang on, you know all about this as well.
You say, I'm not a historian, but I'm going to spend my time talking about history.
I'm not a journalist, but I'm going to spend my time talking about this thing.
I'm not an expert on this, but I'm going to spend my time talking about this thing.
It's a weird move, yeah?
Yeah.
By jiu-jitsu move, you mean by destroying yourself with just logic?
You mean that kind of jiu-jitsu?
With just by a guy using facts and logic and actual arguments to destroy your bullshit.
That's the jujitsu because he's also a comedian, because someone also excels at an art.
They're not also allowed to make great arguments about something else.
This is what it was like for the whole freaking show.
Well, he's missing the main point is, yeah, no, here's the problem.
The experts have cocked this up so bad.
Yes.
An idiot can now see the obvious that all the wars rely on a bad idea.
You don't have to be bright.
You had to have seen some TV and been outside once or twice.
It's exactly right.
So the experts have screwed up to the point that they it's not jujitsu.
They did it to themselves.
I guess it's a jiu-jitsu.
Is it a jujitsu move?
Like, you know, when you're punching yourself in your own dick and shouting, shut up, you're not an expert.
So here, here we go.
No.
You don't think.
No, I'm a free American.
I can talk about what I like.
So I don't want to notice you can.
But the point is, what are you pushing?
What are you watering?
What am I pushing?
Yes.
Liberty, free markets, peace, prosperity, not getting in another stupid catastrophic war, which we're on the precipice of right now.
That's what I'm pushing.
What are we on the precipice of?
Well, I think you're talking about it the other day.
Everyone I hear on the inside says we're.
So a guy who comes on to say you guys aren't experts doesn't even know about the precipice of a war we're on right now.
What precipice?
About to attack around.
I think you just said something about that the other day.
Am I wrong about that?
I thought I saw one of the interviews that you did.
Possibly.
That doesn't mean we are on the verge of a war.
I mean, you keep referring to we being in wars.
There's a very big difference between a country having a military that's engaged.
And so this is the kind of arguments he does.
You're saying we?
Yes.
That's what everyone uses that term.
Everyone uses that pronoun when they talk about their country being in a war.
They say we for when the United States is in a war, they say this is the kind of so he doesn't have an argument.
And so they spend almost 90% of the time doing bullshit like this.
You're talking in a circle.
Talks in a circle.
Yeah, of course you're allowed to talk about it, but you shouldn't talk about it if you're not an expert.
Well, you're not an abundant.
Everybody's like, it's amazing.
I talked to Dave right after this in the green room.
He was there.
Pen and Joe were there.
And Dave was like, I don't know.
Maybe I should have been more aggressive at him.
I'm like, no, that's what I would have done, which is a big mistake.
Joe wanted him to be exactly calm and let this idiot demonstrate what he brought to the table.
I don't want to hear, hey, I know I'm not an expert.
Can you tell me why my thing's wrong?
Yes.
I'd like your expertise to tell me I'm wrong because I don't want to be right about this, by the way, Douglas.
If Dave Smith is not an expert, like you say, you should be able to wipe the floor with him then.
This non-expert who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Why don't you go after Dave Smith's arguments and expose them for being wrong?
Well, because they're right.
And he's the guy who doesn't know what he's talking about, which is why he talks about semantics.
He has already settled consensus history stuff.
That was his first thing.
He's like, I'm not going to go re-examine things.
I've already decided.
Okay, here we go.
And a country being at war.
This country has not been at war for 25 years.
You have not been fighting for the American homeland for 25 years.
Yes, we haven't.
That's true.
We haven't had a war on our shores.
We've been picking on Third World.
They told us we were.
They told us we fight them there so we don't fight them here.
That's exactly right.
Peter used in the Ukraine thing.
That's exactly right.
They said it was for our liberty.
That's right.
Preemptive.
Right.
So, okay.
On the world.
You haven't been randomly picking on them.
I mean, Afghanistan, you went to...
Yeah, right.
Okay.
It wasn't like you suddenly decided to bomb again Myanmar or something.
You went to Afghanistan to find bin Laden and take revenge for 9-11 and stop an attack like that happening again on the American homeland.
That is very different from a country being at war.
Yeah, but that's a total mischaracterization of the war in Afghanistan.
It's one thing to say that might be an accurate characterization of the special operations mission in late 2001, but then we thought, then we thought a 20-year regime change war against the Taliban.
Because you got dragged into the quicksand of war.
Okay, fine.
I thought it wasn't a war.
I don't get it.
And he just said you.
He just did the thing that he said Dave Smith shouldn't do.
We, we, you have.
And then he said, well, you got dragged into it.
He just did the exact same thing.
So it just shows you he's just grasping at straws, using bullshit argument after bullshit argument to try to back up his bullshit position, which is completely easily poked holes through, which is what Dave Smith said.
You got dragged into the quicksand of war, which he just said we didn't have.
Yeah, we didn't have.
And by the way, how is it different?
Is there a certain number of people that have to die?
Right.
And a certain number of troops that have to go over and a certain amount of money we spend?
We've had a war since World War II, apparently.
Apparently.
Officially.
It's your use of we as if you're personally like suffering this war.
Yeah, you're taxed.
When I say we, we're not saying so we pay for it.
Okay, fine.
Douglas, would you like if I went back and corrected you on every time you've used the term we to refer to your government or something like that?
Like if I were to say, oh, we just imposed tariffs on China.
Did you point out that I didn't and it was the Trump administration?
I think you take it obviously very personally and that's your right to do so of course.
I'm just trying to make sure we're accurate here.
What do you think I'm taking personally?
The American wars.
Sure.
Yeah.
I think they've killed hundreds of thousands of people and cost my country $8 trillion and degraded my country very much.
And there's a very good argument to make on that.
I'm still slightly okay.
So then why don't you counter that argument then?
But instead, you're going to start talking.
Instead, you're just going to talk about semantics instead.
Well, there's a very good argument to be made for that.
Yeah, I know.
I just made it.
Yeah, he just made it.
I just made that very good argument.
In front of you, dumb face.
Was I jelly?
Amused about this move from I'm an expert on this and I have you I'm a comedian.
I've never claimed to be an expert on anything.
This is the problem, Joe.
I mean, if somebody you have to claim to be an expert on something to have an opinion on something.
You don't have to be.
You don't have to be.
Well, that's what you're saying.
I'm not a historian.
That's exactly what he's saying.
That's exactly what you're saying.
So again, he'll do anything except engage Dave Smith's actual arguments.
This is circular logic.
It's all semantical.
None of it means anything.
And by the way, Douglas Murray, not an expert on jack shit.
Unless you want to talk about his English degree, which he got an undergraduate degree in.
I thought he had some, at least a Bill Cosby doctorate at least.
All these guys that go on to argue this stuff, Coleman Hughes, after I went on, and asked Norman Finkelstein when he was talking to Destiny, because Destiny threatened to sue about this, but Destiny, some group was paying Destiny and coached him for a week before he got torn apart.
That's right.
I'll bet you this idiot got coaching before this.
And this is the result.
And this is the result.
Historian, but I'm pumping out history.
I'm not an expert, but I'm talking all the time about this.
But you're not even talking about specifically on what he just said.
No, I'm saying this is my point about this.
You say, I'm not an expert.
So what's the solution?
To not talk about it?
No, it's to have more experts around.
Well, the expert class hasn't done a great job.
I know.
This is follow the science.
But you know what?
I just said you agree with that.
Right, right.
I know the problem.
during all of COVID, I will put my track record against any of the expert class on COVID.
I'm glad to do that.
So, should I have just shut up?
Should I have shut up by opposing lockdowns and opposing vaccine mandates until that was the argument every time?
That's the entire argument that you're making.
Let the experts handle it.
So, that's what this show was.
If you want to see more of it, that's what it was like for three hours straight.
Hey, Jimmy, you know, I'm no Sir Michael Rappleport.
You know, I'm not an expert.
Hey, Dave Rubin, that shape-shifting jelly, isn't he a comedian and a guy that I don't even, I've never seen him do comedy in New York, by the way.
I've only seen him do one thing, but I know Douglas Murray doesn't have no problem with Dave Rubin.
Of course not.
And Douglas Murray should be, he's more, he's better suited to be like one of those mean chefs yelling who shouts at you for not having a clean grill.
That's what he should be doing.
Okay, so that's so.
I wanted to show you this real quick.
Here's one more stupid thing he did.
With no deficit of terms.
I've been plenty.
There's no deficit?
No, there are millions of.
There are plenty.
Have you been to the crossing lines?
No.
So here he is trying to diminish Dave Smith's argument, not by attacking his argument, by saying that you're not allowed to have an argument because you haven't physically been in Israel.
That's like saying I can't have an opinion on Vietnam because I haven't been to Vietnam.
I can't have an opinion on the Iraq war.
Both of them, which we were lied into, I can't because I haven't been to Iraq.
I can't have an opinion on Libya or Syria, which we were 100% right about, by the way.
And Ukraine.
I can't have it because I haven't been there.
So this is his argument now.
And again, it's not about the argument.
It's about why you're not allowed to have an argument.
And he is because he has an accent.
He doesn't have a degree in shit.
Well, he's been to the crossing point.
But he's been to Israel.
But why are there crossing points in these people's land where they're from?
Well, he doesn't want to argue.
Is there any crossing points?
Why are there settlements?
Have you been to a settlement?
Why is that a thing?
Why do you have settlers?
It shows me you're trying to take all the land from those people, doesn't it?
When were you not there at all?
I've never been.
You've never been.
Well, am I not allowed to talk about it now?
Have you ever been to Nazi Germany?
Are you allowed to have feelings about them?
You can't time travel, but you're going to be there.
You're right.
Okay, but so what?
So what's the point?
No, I find that.
Lots of people have been there and agree with me, and lots of people have been there and agree with you.
I don't want to spend a year and a half talking about a place.
You should at least do the courtesy of visiting.
I just think this is a mind.
If he goes to someone in Ukraine, Douglas Murray supports that.
That supports that.
That is a non-argument.
That's not an argument.
You haven't been there.
You should do the courtesy.
The courtesy.
Yeah, that's not an argument.
I can have an opinion on Venezuela and the United States sanctions on it.
I don't have to go to Venezuela to have that argument.
I don't have to go to the border to opine about open borders.
You don't have to do these things.
I don't have to go to Florida to talk about how they handled COVID better than every other state.
This is just, again, a courtesy thing, Jimmy.
He goes, you should have the courtesy.
Well, duly noted, Douglas.
Next time, buddy, next genocide, I'll do the courtesy of going to the checkpoints myself.
But now that we're here, let's talk about the bullshit that they're doing.
That's right.
And answer my goddamn questions.
You call other people jelly.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
He did this disgusting thing where saying that.
Well, I wanted to show you that his audience, the audience.
So, first of all, here he is.
Douglas Murray touted his trips to Israel and the Gaza border as some sort of proof of his impartiality and expertise.
While in Israel last year, Murray received an award from the Israeli government for serving as their propagandist.
Here it is.
Douglas Murray has received an award from Israel President Itzhak Herzog for services rendered during the Gaza genocide.
It's an extraordinary privilege for me to align with the state of Israel.
Gushi gush the Israel asset Douglas Murray at the president's residence.
What'd you say, Kurt?
He won a Zagi this year?
I guess so.
For the Isaac Erzalk Award.
And Joe Rogan's audience saw right through him.
Here's just, here's one that got like, I don't know, 19,000 likes.
Says, 40 minutes in, here's the summary.
Douglas, people will claim to be an expert and then hide behind, I'm just a comedian, when they're challenged.
Dave says, I've never claimed to be an expert.
Douglas, you see, Joe, this is the problem.
When people who aren't experts talk about this stuff, Joe, aren't you saying, are you saying only experts are allowed to talk about this stuff?
Douglas, no, you don't need to be an expert to talk about this stuff.
Well, he just when do we talk about this stuff, by the way?
He didn't challenge any of Dave's arguments at all.
None.
If you had, it would have stuck out.
I'm like, God, Dave should have done his homework on that.
Yeah.
You actually went, oh, you're not an Dave lose before you even started.
I missed it.
So right at the end, it says, repeat these quotes about six to eight times.
And you have basically listened to the first 40 minutes of the show.
That got 19,000 likes.
So Joe Rogan's audience seeing right through him.
Here's another one.
Douglas Murray, MD, DDS, PhD, MSE, AIP, APAC.
That's his real expertise.
Today I learned that arguing for censorship while affecting not to be arguing for censorship will have you running around in circles.
As someone who was constantly looking for new ways to gaslight My friends in political chats.
I have learned so much from Douglas in this podcast.
4,000 likes.
So that's all Douglas Murray was doing was gaslighting and fighting straw men and fighting over semantics.
That was all.
I didn't even see him get to the fight.
I just saw him talking about who's expert.
Patience, thy name is Joe Rogan.
Here's one more.
We'll read this one.
Murray saying Dave shouldn't take U.S. wars personally made my jaw drop.
Yes, we Americans are responsible for what our government does and who they kill.
It's our tax money they're using to do it.
We vote for the representatives.
This is the government, supposedly of the people, by the people, and for the people.
We are responsible.
Yeah.
4,000 likes.
You think the fentanyl problem was not from our Afghanistan adventures into Poppyland?
You think that, really?
Here's another one.
I finished this episode and can now officially claim to have more patience than John the Baptist.
I'm not an expert, but I'm going to act like I know everything about you from the internet, Douglas Murray, not even five minutes in.
I've never turned off a Rogan show, but I cannot listen to this guy's stupidity for another minute.
So Joe Rogan's entire audience saw through this guy.
This was this guy's a big, big mistake because the guy had a lot of fans, fans who agree with him on other things.
But he shows himself to be wildly inconsistent.
Yes, we should all speak up against COVID, even if you're not a virologist.
Yes, we should all speak up against open borders, even though we're not some kind of policy expert.
It's just amazing.
Well, let's get to the topic, though.
Here's what I don't get.
We still, it's like talking on Kamala or something.
Israel has a Kamala-level campaign on their behalf.
Yes.
It sucks.
Everyone's robbing them.
No one's answering a question.
And only idiots think that they're doing a good job selling this to people.
They got to sell this to people because we're going to Iran.
So they need to sell this the way I felt on 9-11 where they were like, we're going to Iraq.
And I said, okay, sounds good to me because 9-11 happened.
October 7th didn't happen to me.
And I don't have the same feelings about 9-11 I had 20 years ago.
I kind of feel like I got had a little bit.
So to expect that all these people are going to now feel this for Israel to the point where they'd send their kids to go die, I think you're asking for a lot, you know?
Yeah, a heck of a lot.
Okay, so now we have to bring on our guest.
So here's how I summed it up.
Douglas Murray is so easily exposed as another guy on the wrong side of history who doesn't have an argument that stands up to the slightest scrutiny from a comedian.
So he screams, you're not an expert, instead of making an argument.
Dave Smith for the win, easily.
If Murray had a shred of capacity for normal shame, he would feel humiliated and wouldn't show his face in public for at least a year or two.
But of course he doesn't.
He's one of these narcissistic maniacs who thinks because he has an accent that's going to impart some kind of expertise, which he doesn't have.
It's the only way he can come, actually.
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We showed you that video that looked like it was made by Michael Mann of them taking those 250 people and sending them to a dungeon to be tortured in El Salvador.
And well, it turns out now 90% of them don't even have a criminal record.
That's in the United States or out of the United States.
But even a bigger story.
Oh, my God.
What about the ones with a criminal record?
Did they get any of them?
It sounds like 10% of them, Kurt.
Nice.
Our Afghan numbers.
Yep.
But here's an even bigger story.
Trump administration must facilitate return of man erroneously deported to El Salvador.
Who said that?
The right-wing Republican conservative Supreme Court just crossed Donald Trump.
So I love how they all, people always say how Trump's going to be a dictator.
They'll go, oh, he controls the Supreme Court.
Well, they just crossed him.
They made, it sounds like the right decision on this one.
Sounds like they made the right decision.
Well, let's the Supreme Court is requiring the Trump administration to facilitate the return of a Maryland man deported last month to a notorious prison in El Salvador due to what officials described as an administrative error.
The justices turned down the administration's request to set aside a judge's order that the United States officials seek Kilmar Abrigo Garcia's release and return to the U.S. after he was flown to El Salvador, despite an immigration court order that he not be sent there due to the threat of persecution by a local gang.
Is he not a gang member?
The judge order properly requires the government to facilitate Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.
That's what the Supreme Court said.
That's the right-wing Republican GOP conservative Supreme Court, the one that Trump is supposed to be able to control.
The high court's ruling doesn't explicitly mention bringing Garcia back to the United States, but it leaves in place the bulk of U.S. District Court Judge Paula Zinnis' order that specifically required his return to the United States.
Just hours after the justices ruled, Zinnis ordered the Trump administration to take all available steps to facilitate the return of Garcia to the United States as soon as possible.
The judge also demanded details from the administration about Garcia's current location and status, and what steps the officials are taking to facilitate his return.
The Supreme Court's decision is a significant rejection of the Trump administration's claim that it lacked any power and therefore could not be compelled to attempt to remedy its admitted error.
It also comes just days after the justices ruled that the administration must provide due process to other foreign nationals that President Trump has sought to quickly deport using rarely invoked war power.
So the Supreme Court is going 100% against Donald Trump's deportation of those people to El Salvador.
That's what's that.
Are those war powers that rarely invoked, really?
I don't think they are.
Thursday's ruling could have consequences that are beyond Garcia's case.
The Salvadorian citizen was deported aboard a controversial series of flights last month that also included about 130 Venezuelan men who were expelled from the U.S. after Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 against alleged members of the Trende Argo gang.
If you're that gang, I probably don't like you, but at least make sure they're in the gang.
You're not doing that much.
They're not even doing that.
I think 158 of them were imprisoned for misgendering waitstaff at a vegan steakhouse.
The new decision explicitly declares that individuals who contend they were illegally deported from the U.S. can continue to seek remedies from the United States courts.
That could open the door to challenges from those deported to El Salvador under the wartime statute who are now locked up in an anti-terrorism prison known for its harsh conditions.
On Monday, the justices similarly ruled that future efforts by the administration to summarily deport the Venezuelan nationals must include a chance for them to challenge the allegations that they are members of a gang.
But that ruling did not reference the fate of roughly 130 men who were already transferred to El Salvador without due process.
So apparently, just going forward, Trump can't do this anymore.
In the two-page decision, the justices also said Trump's administration must be prepared to share more details about its handling of Garcia and efforts it may have made or will in the future to secure his return.
However, the high court did instruct Zinnis, that's the other judge, to show due regard for the deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs, as she clarifies a provision in her order that required the United States government to effectuate Garcia's release.
What does that mean?
So effectuate.
Let's ask, what's that, Suri?
What effectuate?
I mean, to me, to me, it means you have to go do this.
You have to make sure this happens.
What's the definition of effectuate?
Put into force or operation.
So they need to make sure it has.
There's some argument about the wording of they said effectuate and something else are not the same.
They're arguing about what that word means.
I know that.
I saw that part of it.
It's real annoying, but I just don't understand what the difference is.
The judge Zinnis ruled Friday that Garcia's deportation was illegal and that the Trump administration needed to arrange to bring him back by the United States by midnight Monday.
Justice Department officials argued that it was impossible for them to comply with the order.
Can you believe that?
In part because Garcia, who was born in El Salvador, is now in the custody of that country.
They also argued that Zinnis' directive violated the Constitution by intruding on the president's powers over foreign relations and national security.
The Trump administration's handling of the case prompted outrage among immigration advocates who argued that officials' unwillingness to take any steps to arrange Garcia's return indicate foreigners and even Americans could be subject to erroneous deportation with no legal recourse.
So here it is.
Here's the next part of this story.
90% of those people they sent had no criminal record.
Yes, they said they were sending the worst of the worst, suggesting they were sending gang members involved in murder, rape, and kidnapping.
The reality is that of the 238 migrants, mostly Venezuelans, that were the officials accused of belonging to the Trende Argua gang and expelled to the Central American country in mid-March, just a small fraction had ever been charged with serious crimes in the United States.
Hundreds of pages of U.S. legal records and American government statements reviewed by Bloomberg News found five men charged with or convicted of felony assault or fire.
So just five of them.
Three men were charged with misdemeanors, including harassment and petty theft.
Two others were charged with human smuggling.
For the rest of the men, there was no available information showing they committed any crime other than traffic or immigration violations in the United States.
The findings.
Guess what?
If you came illegally, I say get the hell out.
It's a crime, but are they sending them to another country that's not their country?
Yes.
Yes.
People with no criminal record are going to spare Guantanamo?
That's crazy to me.
So what they're doing.
So there's another name for this.
And because we're paying El Salvador to jail these people.
So El Salvador says they're making money off this.
So if we're taking people that are from Venezuela who are in the United States without a trial that the Supreme Court just said that they have a right to, and we're sending them to another country for money, I'm pretty sure that's the definition of human trafficking.
Just so you know.
The findings raise questions about how the Trump administration determined that the migrants sent to El Salvador were violent criminals.
The U.S. maintains that all of the Venezuelans on the flights had committed a crime because they were in the country illegally.
That's what, okay.
That is a crime.
That is a crime.
You send them home.
But did you send them 200?
You're supposed to send them back to their country, which Venezuela said they would take them.
Yeah, that's weird.
Like I said, I don't care.
They did commit a crime, but you're sending them to another Guantanamo in a different country they're not from.
That seems off.
The official said many of the men who lacked U.S. records were nonetheless terrorists, human rights abusers, or gangsters.
Well, prove it.
Why not give them a court date that the Supreme Court, the right-wing, GOP, Republican-controlled, conservative Supreme Court just said that they have a right to.
That's not me saying it.
That's not Nancy Pelosi.
That's the right-wing, Republican-controlled Supreme Court saying that.
How about a corrupt FISA court even?
Did they even do that?
Many of the men allegedly associated with Tres de Argoa are deported under the But on Monday, the Supreme Court said the administration can seek to resume deportations under the act if migrants are given notice and a chance to make their case to a judge.
Well, that's totally different.
Yeah, they can do.
So what the Supreme Court is saying, no, you can't keep doing this unless you give them a chance to court date.
You have to give them a court date.
So they can't keep doing it the way they've been doing it.
Okay, that's a weird way to phrase it.
Sure, you can keep doing it, but you can't keep doing it.
Media reports in the Washington Post and elsewhere have cast doubt on the White House's portrayals of the men as criminals.
And lawyers have said that some individuals were identified as gang members based on the types of clothing they were wearing or the tattoos that they had.
Really?
Look, if you came here illegally, that's criminal.
I don't really care about the gang thing.
I don't understand why you're using gang justification to send people to like crazy terrorist prison.
It's really strange.
A CBS News investigation found that three-fourths of the men sent to El Salvador could not be connected with a U.S. or international criminal record.
Three-fourths.
That's like eight out of seven out of ten.
Now, Bloomberg's review of U.S. court cases and government statements show there's very little publicly available documentation to support the notion that only violent offenders were sent away.
The administration has acknowledged in court that not all the men have criminal records, but say it's only further evidence of the threat that they pose.
You got to be sure.
Look, if you came here illegally, that's the crime.
That's good enough for me.
I don't understand why you have to do it the wrong way.
Here's the quote from the official: it demonstrates that they are terrorists with regard to whom we lack a complete profile.
Oh, my God.
So, yeah, it's bad that it's bad if you have a criminal record, but you know what's worse?
If you don't have a criminal record, that's proof that you're a terrorist.
That's awful.
That's like absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Remember that Rumsfeld bulletin?
Yes, that's right.
It's amazing.
Bloomberg obtained a list of the passengers and examined their criminal histories by reviewing U.S. federal court records, media reports, and public statements by government officials.
The search also included state court dockets, though not all local courts make records available online.
There were 13 court cases involving people with names that were similar to a deportee, though not an exact match.
Those weren't included in the final tally because the connection couldn't be confirmed.
Wow.
Well, hey, it's America.
You're lucky we checked for your name at all, I guess.
Wayne, we just didn't go off your skin color.
Or a tattoo that was a little bit tenuous.
Yeah.
Like a crown tattoo to which literally every Latino in a hood has.
That's really like.
So it just, it does, it's amazing how they can F up this deportation thing like this in such unbelievable, unconstitutional ways to where the Republican Supreme Court has to lay down the law and say, hey, you can't keep doing it like that.
Really?
You have to break the Constitution to enforce the Constitution.
You can't send them to their own country.
And just send them back to their own country.
Just send them back to their own goddamn country.
They want to lie that they're terrorists to send them to weird Guantanamo 2 in El Salvador.
That's really bad.
RFK Jr. says he's going to find out the cause of autism by September.
So isn't that nice to know that by September, that he's going to know what millions of Americans already know?
Yeah.
But that's how we do things.
I'm sure none of the documents are going to be blacked out and that we're going to get the complete story.
And right?
That's how they do things.
Anyway, I mean, here's what he had to say.
Let's listen.
We have now the autism rates have gone from outmost recent numbers we think are going to be about one in 31.
I'm one in 12.
So they're going up again.
Wow.
One in 31 kids are autistic.
Those are horrible numbers.
And thanks to RFK Jr., now we know why.
Anti-Semitism.
You know what, Jimmy?
I didn't put it together.
Anti-Semitism has been rising and autism.
And autism.
Pretty clear.
Pretty clear connection.
I mean, I'm kidding, but I'm pretty sure he's going to say that next.
I'm pretty sure.
He already did say it several times.
One in 31 kids.
One in 31 kids are autistic.
How the hell are we going to fight Iran in a video game tournament?
Come on.
Are you kidding me?
Here we go.
Listen to what he has to say.
We have now the autism rates have gone from outmost recent numbers we think are going to be about one in 31 and 1 in 12.
So they're going up again.
From 1 in 10,000 when I was a kid.
And we are going at your direction.
We are going to know by September we've launched a massive testing and research effort that's going to involve hundreds of scientists from around the world.
By September, we will know what has caused the autism epidemic and we'll be able to eliminate those exposures.
So big.
Think of that.
So it was one in 10,000 children at autism, and now it's one in 31.
Not 31,000, 31.
That is it.
That's a horrible statistic, isn't it?
And there's got to be something artificial out there that's doing this.
So you think you're going to have a pretty good idea, huh?
We will know by September.
There will be no bigger news conference than that.
So that's it.
you can come up with that answer where you stop taking something, you stop eating something, or maybe it's a shot, but something's causing it.
It can't be from 10,000 to...
That's a big, that's a big number.
Thank you very much.
You're doing great.
Thank you, Bob.
Well, it's funny he turns to little Marco Rubio and says, that's a big number.
That's big.
You believe that, Marco?
Come on, Marco.
I mean, if we're playing Tic Tac DOA in the sky's a bunch.
I mean, what could be causing it?
I don't know.
Maybe that we're being dusted with aluminum and barium into our soil and water and our cloud seeding.
And maybe we're eating vax fruits and vegetables from supposed health food stores.
The last thing I need to do is catch Vegetitis B at the salad bar.
Am I right?
Come on.
Yeah.
Well, my question is: why would it be this high if it's not on purpose?
Because autistic people are the perfect like consumer.
They all love stupid MCU crap, but they're good at computers.
It's almost like you're creating the ideal employees of tomorrow.
Yeah.
People that compartmentalize easily, get on board with masking.
They love every stupid new Disney thing, even if they're 40.
You know, that's just my silly goose market.
I think that I, yeah.
And I think it is a combination of a lot of things like Trump just said, shots.
I think also all the poisons we're putting in our air, all the poisons we're putting in our food, all the hormones we're putting in our food.
I started crying the other day when I was eating some chicken picata and I spilled it all over my tits.
I'm not saying.
What?
I'm not saying there's a lot of hormones in our food, but I've got a nice rack now.
I got my period for the third time today after I had this chicken burrito.
So I just don't, I do find it curious that he can pinpoint a month.
Like, we're going to figure this out in, let me see, it's April, May, June, July, August, September.
Did he say September?
Yes.
So in five months, really they can figure out exactly where I'm going.
Are they going to track down the guy that's got the redactions on the thing where you can just read what the deal is that they've known for a long time?
Like every single thing in history.
Well, he talks about that.
What was that Simpson Woods conference back in the late 90s?
RFK talks about the Simpson Woods, where they all got together over the rise in autism and their fear that it was connected to it was connected to vaccines.
That was what he said Simpson Woods was all about.
Remember that?
They held the meeting at some kind of some kind of, it wasn't in any government building.
It was in some other state at some kind of retreat.
So you couldn't launch a FOIA because it wasn't at a government building.
It wasn't an official government thing.
Chantam House rules.
Yeah, the Chatham House rule.
You know what we say at Chatham House.
So, yeah.
Anyway, there it is.
RFK Jr. says we're going to know the cause of autism by September.
Holy shit.
I got to tell you what, take your, I would take your money out of Pfizer's stock right now.
That's all I'm saying.
I think they knew the cause of autism by 20 years ago, September, and they're just saying now we're going to drop that bomb.
And it is anti-Semitism.
Damn you, anti-Semitism.
Damn you, anti-Semitism.
Perhaps a greater Israel is the only cure for my crippling autism.
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