Vivek SH*TS On American Culture To Push More Immigration!
Former Presidential candidate and current Trump advisor Vivek Ramaswamy caused quite a stir within the MAGA movement when he degraded US culture, suggesting that Americans no longer value excellence and instead pursue mediocrity. As a result, he says, we need to import more H1-B workers from places like India and China to restore American greatness. Jimmy and Americans’ Comedian Kurt Metzger discuss how Trump supporters are pushing back against Vivek, Elon Musk and others seeking to leverage the MAGA movement to support increasing immigration. Plus a segment with Max Blumenthal on the mad dash among the United States, Israel, Turkey and various Islamist terror groups to divvy up the spoils and create a failed state in what was once Syria. Also featuring Stef Zamorano!
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There's a big split in the right wing happening right now.
It's good because it's something that would never happen under the Democrats because the Democrats are not allowed to ever ridicule their leadership or talk out of line.
But the MAGA is.
And this is what's beauty.
So remember when Trump said this about immigration?
For decades, this company has served the needs of American workers.
It's time we had a federal government that does the same.
The buy and hire American order I'm about to sign will help protect workers and students like those of you in the audience today.
This historic action declares that the policy of our government is to aggressively promote and use American-made goods and to ensure that American labor is hired to do the job.
Right now, widespread abuse in our immigration system is allowing American workers of all backgrounds to be replaced by workers brought in from other countries to fill the same job for sometimes less pay.
This will stop.
Oh, really?
American workers have long called for reforms to end these visa abuses.
Okay.
And today their calls are being answered for the first time.
Okay, so they're talking about He's saying one thing, but now the guys that he's got surrounding him, the billionaires like Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, are saying the opposite because Trump was saying he's going to protect American labor against visa abuses.
Well, so there's this big fight online happening over the H-1B visas.
Now, we just showed you Joe Biden's on the same page as Elon Musk and Vivek Wamaswamy.
He did the same thing to truckers.
He made it so that they can bring in foreign workers so they can drive trucks in America.
And that's not because we have a shortage of truck drivers in America.
That's because corporations who employ truck drivers want to pay them a lower wage.
And so that's why immigration's happening like the way it's happening.
And so Joe Biden, on his way out the door, we did a video on it, gave the finger to the working class.
And the finger is, screw you, we're lowering truckers' wages by making the special visas available to guys who are going to come in here and drive trucks in America and drive your wages down.
And that all started, by the way, with Jimmy Carter.
So he's just like our friend Usalente was saying, he was not the great guy that people think he was.
We haven't had a great president in forever.
So I don't even know when.
So you got to go back to FDR, maybe.
But then if you're Japanese, you'd have a different idea.
But anyway, right-wing warfare pits big tech against MAGA over H-1B visas.
Now, this is actually exciting for me to see that MAGA is pushing back against the Trump administration.
I'm talking about the voters, the movement.
MAGA isn't Trump.
MAGA is the people who put him in office.
So the H-1.
You want to say something?
Yeah.
Okay.
So I was looking at this today because I was trying to understand it.
And I'm sure it all comes down to paying people less.
But the thing I thought that they were talking about, Vivek, or this is how he put it.
He could be lying.
Well, let me get to it.
Let me get to it.
Let's not do a spoiler.
The H-1B1 visa program allows U.S. companies to employ foreign workers in specialty occupations.
I guess truck drivers, one of them, particularly in the tech industry.
Discussions about reforming this program have intensified with some advocating for the removal of country-specific caps on green cards to address extensive backlogs faced by applicants from countries, including India.
Okay.
Now you're okay.
So meanwhile, Musk, the world's wealthiest man, has benefited from the H-1B program, both personally and professionally.
He first came to the United States on a J-1 academic visa that he says transitions into an H-1B.
Tesla is also among the companies to rely on the program, having hired 724 H-1B workers in 2023 alone.
So instead of 724 engineer or Thai tech workers being hired at Tesla that are from America and American schools, they imported these people from other countries.
And the big reason is you want to pay them less.
That's the big reason.
But MAGA evangelists like Laura Loomer believe Musk's influence within Trump's circle serves his own interests.
On Twitter, Loomer singled out Musk and his tech allies, including Bach CEO Aaron Levy and PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel, suggesting that the new Doge initiative for government efficiency is just a cover for sending funds to Silicon Valley entrepreneurs.
And so now here's what so Vivek, so Loomer goes after Musk over this, and Vivek decides to weigh in.
And listen to what Vivek has to say.
The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born first-generation engineers over Native Americans isn't because of an innate American IQ deficit, a lazy and wrong explanation.
A key part of it, it's money.
It's so they can pay them less.
That's all this is about.
A key part of it comes down to the C-word, culture.
Now, hold on to your because he's going to come.
I don't know if you remember, but who's the blonde woman who said she would never vote for a coulter said she would never vote for Vivek Women Swami because she would never vote for an Indian.
And everybody's like, whoa, well, here comes a key part of it comes down to the culture.
Tough questions demand tough answers.
And if we're really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the truth.
Well, the truth is that we should pay for people to become engineers, and then we should hire those people at our American-made companies.
That's the truth.
We should, if we're low on high-tech people, we should educate them here in our own goddamn country.
That's the truth.
That's not the truth he's going to tell you.
He's going to say our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long.
So he's shitting on American culture.
I thought we were exceptional.
We had a culture of American exceptionalism.
No.
No.
We have a culture of American mediocrity.
That's what Vivek Ramaswamy, who Ann Coulter said she would never vote for because he's Indian.
That's why.
And now here he is shitting on our culture.
This is really happening.
America firsters.
They're supposed to be America firsters.
Are now telling you the reason why we have to go get the smarty pants people to run our high-tech is because our culture in America sucks.
That's what he's saying.
I guess that's what they taught him at Harvard and Yale.
I guess that's what they taught him at.
Well, you know, those schools also take mostly Indian and Asian.
That's why they started doing the affirmative action stuff to block Asians.
Well, Asian covers India too, but that's what the whole.
So at the schools, they're purposely letting in at the start where he said what starts young, they're training the people.
But here he is saying it's not just the colleges and the schools.
He says, so our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long, at least since the 90s, and likely longer.
That doesn't start in college.
It starts young, young in caps, he puts it caps.
So our whole culture, a culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math Olympiad champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers.
You son of a bitch.
You, I thought we were America firsters.
This is America suckers.
That's why.
And don't you feel like a sucker now?
That you, I think they think MAGA is starting to feel that way because they're pushing back.
Anyway, a culture that venerates Corey from Boy Meets World or Zach and Slay.
By the way, that's the corporate world doing that.
You're right.
That's the corporate world force feeding that shit down our throats.
That's not our culture.
That's the corporate culture, right?
That's the corporate media culture owned by billionaires like you.
And that's why they consolidated the media in 1996 from 50 giant media companies down to just six companies.
So now every newspaper, every magazine, every radio show, every TV show, every movie produced by one of six billionaire-owned companies.
It's run by people like you, Vivek.
It's not run by regular people.
So instead of giving opportunity to people here in America, we're going to go and ship in.
Yeah, so instead of, so if he really.
So they will not produce the best engine.
So he's saying because we have television shows, because we have pop culture, that's why we don't have the best engineers.
That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.
But it's how he really thinks.
He really doesn't think much of our culture.
Fact, I know multiple sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity.
You know what?
I know lots of native-born Americans who did the exact same thing.
I know lots of people who limit their kids' TV time, live with their kids' phone time.
I know lots of parents who do that shit.
He's pretending that's unique to just so Americans are shit.
And people from other countries.
And he's making Ann Coulter look like a philosopher.
Not a philosopher.
Who predicts the future?
An Oracle?
What is that called?
Oracle.
He just said.
An Oracle.
Oh, it's not psychic.
She did it to Mesh D'Souza.
Souza.
That's what she learned.
And their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates.
Oh, there's not enough women in that.
So, wow.
So it's only if you're an immigrant.
Americans, yuck.
Immigrants, better.
More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of Friends, more math tutoring, fewer sleepovers, more weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons, more books, less TV, more creating less chilling, more extracurriculars, less hanging out at the mall.
He really hates America.
Wait, hanging out at the mall.
What the fuck?
How old are you?
Nobody goes to the mall anymore.
Malls are dead.
Malls are hanging out.
Malls have been dying for 30 years.
The people go there because they have a job.
That's crazy.
He's a tech guy, isn't he?
He's a tech guy.
Most normal American parents look skeptically at those kinds of parents.
Oh, okay.
More tiger mom?
Is that what this is?
So the normal American parents, why aren't they producing more STEM graduates?
Why aren't they producing?
So he's admitting.
So now he's contradicting himself.
Yes.
So now he's trying to speak out of both sides of his mouth like a politician, a billionaire politician who made his money selling junk, doing a pump and dump.
More normal American kids view those kinds of kids with scorn.
If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve.
Yes, I aspired to abnormalcy as a child, and that's why I've achieved so much.
Now close Your eyes, Kurt, and visualize which families you knew in the 90s or even now who raised their kids according to one model versus the other.
Be brutally honest.
Normalcy doesn't cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent.
And if we pretend like it does, we'll have our asses handed to us by China.
We're having our asses handed to us by China because they make our asses for us.
Because they make all our asses now in China.
Why?
Because billionaires like you control our government, which gave a tax break for other billionaires to send our jobs over to China to make our asses.
He's talking about our Sputnik moment.
They didn't ship the jobs out to foreigners.
That's right.
Look what he's saying.
So here we go.
Normalcy doesn't cut it in a hyper.
This can be our Sputnik moment.
What?
Oh, the Soviets brought Indians in for that.
We've awakened from slumber before, and we can do it again.
Trump's election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America, but only if our culture fully wakes up.
So is this golden era, it's going to be all through tech people being imported from India?
It's going to be low.
Oh, we're going to get a universal basic income that, oh, we're going to get the same deals, the other thing.
Oh, it's the same thing.
So a culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy, excellence over mediocrity, nerdiness over conformity, hard work over laziness.
I thought we did.
I thought we did have Steve Jobs.
I thought Steve Jobs invented Apple and the iPhone and all that stuff.
I thought we had Bill Gates.
I thought, what are you effing talking about?
Oh, globally competitive is really, you can ignore all the rest of this crap, except for the one thing about being globally competitive.
And I have friends from way back who are in tech.
They all say the same thing.
A, they don't care about America.
Yes.
Global citizen.
B, Americans want too much money to do not enough work when I can get an Indian on Fiverr to do whatever.
That's exactly right.
But let's cut the, let's cut the shit, Vivek, because even my mediocre mind can handle this.
What do you want to pay for the job?
That's right.
Because the only thing that matters is the money you're fighting.
That's exactly what it is.
That's all that matters.
That's all that matters.
So let me finish his.
This is him tweeting this out.
That's the work we have cut out for us.
The work we have cut out for us.
You mean importing cheaper high-tech labor so you could suppress the labor.
Just like they're importing cheaper truck drivers.
They're doing that right now.
Joe Biden's doing that on his way out.
And on your way in, you want to import cheaper tech workers.
That's exactly what this is about.
Tesla hired almost 800 foreign tech workers.
That's the, in one year alone.
One year alone.
That's 800 tech workers that could be American.
That's the work we have cut out for us.
Rather than wallowing in victimhood, just wishing or legislating alternative hiring practices into existence, I'm confident we can do it.
No, you're going to, you're going to legislate hiring practices that benefit you and Tesla.
Meaning, so you're doing the exact thing you're claiming that you don't want to do and that other people shouldn't do.
That's exactly what you're doing.
You're using the HV1 visa, the HV1 programmers to come in and suppress the wages.
That's what this is all about.
And if we don't have enough high-tech people, we should spend some money of our trillions of dollars we're spending every year on bombs and wars.
And how about we spend it educating our own goddamn people?
Oh, it's because it's not about that.
It's about suppressing their wages.
That's what it's about.
And here, Elon Musk says, maybe this is helpful.
Clarification.
I'm referring to bringing in a via legal immigration.
Yeah, because you get to set what the laws are for immigration.
So you just say it's legal.
The top 0.1% of engineering talent as being essential for America to keep winning.
You know that's not what he's talking about.
Oh, is that came up with the sharpened doors on the Tesla truck?
Yeah.
Dick off with.
This is like being Jokix or Wembys of the world to bring in the best talent in the world to help your team, which is mostly Americans, win the NBA.
So he's saying, look how the NBA does it.
They bring in foreigners to help their whole.
Okay, okay.
It's such a horrible analogy.
Thinking of America as a pro-sports team that has been winning for a long time and wants to keep winning is the right mental construct.
Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.
You act like they haven't been doing this anyway.
We just showed you that in 2023, Tesla used the H-1B visa program to bring in almost 800 high-tech workers.
Go ahead.
You want to say something to me?
So when they bring people in the NBA, those foreign that one's still 1%.
Are they paying them illegal people wages?
Yeah, I don't think they are.
That's right.
That's exactly great.
Point, Kurt.
They're not paying those guys from foreign countries who play in the NBA less than American stars.
But they're globally competitive somehow.
Yeah.
So here's what Autism Capital says.
So basically, the right split into, so this was a big fight.
And there's a whole big Laura Loomer thread to this.
I'm going to get to in another segment.
It's unbelievable.
So she's calling this out.
And Elon Musk took her blue check away, took all her followers away, and basically is censoring her.
So they like free speech as long as you don't say shit about them.
Nobody wants to be the new Israel, huh?
So basically, so Autism Capital says, so basically the right split into two factions, tech right and right right.
And the tech right is like, hey, we need H-1B visa people to do the jobs.
And the right right was like, no, you need to hire Americans.
And the tech right is like, you guys are retarded.
And the right right is like, well, you don't train us.
And the tech right is like, you can't out-train being retarded.
And while all this was going on, we learned some people really don't like Indians.
He says that's pretty much sums it up.
That's Elon Musk.
Yeah, they're called Indians.
You ever hear the caste system?
Well, you think it's coming over here for the tech jobs, the poor Indians.
So, this guy says, Elon just told white Americans they are too dumb to work in STEM.
So, he's forced to hire Indians and Asians.
Remember, he's not American.
He has no lineage or allegiance to this country.
He is here to extract the wealth, nothing more.
That has 100,000 likes and almost 4 million views when I grab this.
So, that's the right.
That's the right right.
So, there's a so in one sense, this is a good thing because they're having this out in the open.
And MAGA gets to see exactly what they bought.
Yeah, right.
They get to see exactly.
They bought a couple of fucking billionaires who don't give a shit about you or your workers.
In fact, they want to import workers so they could get them cheaper, and they shit on your culture to do it.
Too foreign.
I think Vivek is, is he, he's born here, right?
Yes, his parents are immigrants.
He's first generation, and Ann Coulter, God damn it, I wish I had that video of her saying, I'll never vote for Vivek because I won't vote for an Indian for president, which you said that in my head.
But here's Elon.
Now, he's banged Dinesh.
Yes, he's from South Africa.
I'm talking about what she said now.
Yeah, so Elon's from South Africa.
Yeah.
So here's what Dew Dissident says.
Notice Vivek has essentially the same contempt for American culture as the Davos people.
To the billionaire class, they're all useless eaters.
We exist only to serve them.
To Elon, Vivek, Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, we're all the same.
And to us, they should be all the same.
I like him mentioning China a lot, like, because that's India's enemy.
So I like when, like, rich billionaires with ties to foreign countries want to drag us into their competitions.
Uh-huh.
Because obviously, China's on competition.
They make our viruses and our stuff.
So I'm going to show you that Vivek Ramaswame is full of shit.
And how am I going to do that?
Well, I'm going to bring in Eric Weinstein, who I invited on the show today to come explain this to us.
But he's a very busy man and he couldn't make it.
I get it.
So he retweets him and he says, I love this.
Meaning, he doesn't really love this.
He says, I love this.
Do you want to fill an entire stadium debating this with me?
I'm so game.
Meaning, let's debate this, Vivek.
If that's what you really think is happening, if you really think it's our culture and we need to import.
So now they're saying we need to import unskilled labor, right?
So they could work our farms and drive our trucks and work our construction.
Because we're not making enough babies.
That's what Bill Clinton says.
And that's what all the billionaires say.
We're not making a baby.
So we got to bring in all this labor, even though the income inequality is unbelievable right now.
Even though workers have the smallest piece of the pie they've had since the time of the Pharaohs.
This is worse than the Gilded Age, what's happening right now with workers in America.
And they want to import even cheaper labor because Americans, well, they're not willing to do those jobs.
Of course they are.
Americans are willing to do it.
They'll do any job as long as they're paid.
But what you want to do is bring in basically slave labor to work our farms, construction, all that stuff, because then they can't unionize.
And you could always have the threat of kicking them out of the country.
And then you get them cheap and they can't organize.
And that's exactly what's going on because unions are starting to get their legs back again in America and they're starting to organize.
And immediately the billionaires opened the border and flooded the country with cheap, desperate labor.
And so now we're fighting amongst each other instead of joining together to fight against billionaires like Elon Vivek and Vivek.
So he says, we don't know each other, meaning Eric and Vivek.
I'm a U.S.-born STEM PhD with some background in this issue in the sciences.
Dance with me.
Meaning, come on, let's debate this.
You want to debate it?
He does not want to debate it.
You know why?
Well, here, I'll show you.
Spoiler alert: skilled immigration is a political football.
It is an evil system designed by a conspiracy from our science complex that brings us great people to displace our own great people, which is supported by great people and fought by great people.
All the major voices I see on this so far are some superposition of wrong and not wrong.
Note to my friends with the incoming administration: it will tear you apart if you don't know where it came from and what it is designed to do.
Word to the wise, it is designed to tear good people apart.
Don't fall for it.
He's trying to warn Vivek.
He's trying to warn Elon: don't fall for this bullshit and don't do, don't import high-tech workers.
Don't do it.
This is a scam.
This is a conspiracy brought to you by what?
A cabal of rich people.
And how do I know it?
He wrote a paper on it.
This is the paper that he wrote: How and why government, universities, and industry create domestic labor shortages of scientists and high-tech workers.
By who?
Eric Weinstein.
He's one of the smartest PhD tech guys in the world, and he's born right here in the United States.
He's very pro-capitalist.
People might criticize him about that, but he's telling that's a thing that anybody that knows anything about academia knows they've done for years.
Like, people are fighting over getting into schools because it's just like real estate.
It's mostly foreign ownership.
Then you're going to watch right-wingers complain about spying from China.
Right.
You think they did it in a balloon?
No.
So our friend Ample Lamps, Apple Lamps, he summarized this paper.
So this paper, which is very long, he summarized it for us.
He said, Weinstein argues that long-term labor shortages in market economies are not natural, but are created when employers or government agencies interfere with the wage mechanism.
He cites Michael S. Teitelbaum's 1990 testimony, Which suggests that claims of labor shortages are often cries for labor subsidies to avoid market-driven wage increases.
It's all about money.
It's all about suppressing wages by the billionaire class.
The 1990s and the flooded market for the scientists and engineers.
The 1990s saw a glut in the market for scientists and engineers, largely due to an increase in foreign students and post-doctoral researchers.
This influx allowed employers to save on labor costs by decreasing wages and benefits.
The Immigration Act of 1990 was passed in response to predictions by the National Science Foundation of a looming shortage of scientists and engineers.
Hayeva, these predictions were later found out to be bullshit.
Oh, you don't say.
And the act led to a surge in immigration further flooding the market.
The NSF scarcity projection.
So the NSF's projections were criticized for focusing solely on the supply side of the labor market without considering demand.
This approach was seen as flawed by many economists and labor market experts.
Who sponsors them?
Who's the sponsor of the National Science Foundation?
How much you want to bet it's a billionaire you've heard of.
That's right.
And some may be Andreessen.
Who knows?
Who knows?
The NSF's real shortage study.
Internal NSF documents revealed that the real concern was not a shortage, but the potential for rising wages.
The NSF.
It's a collusion again.
This sounds like a conspiracy.
Sounds like a collusion.
Price fixing.
Sounds like price fixing and a scam to screw American workers.
The most educated American workers.
Isn't that so?
Workers.
It's not just the people.
It doesn't matter, Jane.
Yeah, that really is something.
It doesn't matter how educated you are.
You're all just a cog in a wheel to the machine.
Okay.
So the NSF sought to suppress wage increases by encouraging the influx of foreign students and workers.
The three traditional policy-level stakeholders, government, university, and the industry.
These stakeholders, rather than competing independently, often collaborated to control the labor market.
The Government University Industry Roundtable, G-U-I-R, was formed to address shared interests, often at the expense of domestic workers.
So they're all, guess exactly what I've told you.
Jimmy, when do the people who really run things, when they have their secret meetings?
It's not a secret.
They're having the meetings right out in the open.
One of the big meetings is called a session of Congress when they get together with all these people and write laws to screw you, meaning American workers.
So they're creative don't get paid too good.
How come they're not ruling the world?
The government university industry roundtable.
Isn't that something?
Further irregularities.
The NSF's policy research and analysis division, PRA, was accused of suppressing internal criticism and manipulating data to support the narrative of a labor shortage.
Sounds like big, sounds like big farmers running the NSF, right?
Conclusion: the scientists or knowledge worker as forgotten stakeholders.
The paper concludes that the interests of working scientists and knowledge workers were often overlooked in favor of the agendas of government, universities, and industry.
And let's remember, government works for industry.
So it's really just industry and universities who are funded by industry and government, which exactly, it's one big circle jerk.
So it's really just one entity.
This had led to a collapse in the market for junior scientists and a breach of their social contract between young scientists and their employers.
Weinstein's analysis suggests that the alleged shortages of scientists and high-tech workers were artificially created to suppress wages and labor costs, benefiting who?
Employers at the expense of domestic workers and the broader economy.
So screw the workers, screw the economy of the United States because these people are not loyal to a country.
This is from network in 1974.
There are no countries.
There are no citizens.
There are only corporations and the international transfer of dollars.
These companies and corporations and billionaires and governments are not loyal to their countries.
They're loyal to their economic owners and economic interests, which have no borders.
Bill Gates doesn't give up.
Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Vivek Remes, they do not give a shit about the United States.
They give a shit about corporate profits.
So anyway, so just one last, this is just a quip from that Newsweek article.
Musk's approach to immigration effectively, a hardline stance on illegal immigration, combined with a liberal view of letting in high-skilled foreign workers is at odds with the cultural and economic protectionism espoused by those in the MAGA movement, including Stephen Miller, who was in Trump's first White House, who is set to return to the White House with his own restrictionist immigration policies in hand.
So hopefully there'll be a big fight, and Stephen Miller will win this fight over Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy.
And Vivek Ramaswamy is not going to debate Eric Weinstein.
And if he does, get a box of popcorn because it's going to be good.
Because Eric Weinstein is not a scammer.
He didn't make his money off doing a pump and dump stock scheme by pretending he had a cure for Alzheimer's, which is what Vivek Ramaswamy did.
You know that story.
Tech is like a real kind of crypto, huh?
Yeah.
He really doged that one.
So that's what's happening right now.
So that's what's happening right now.
And this would never happen if a Democrat was elected.
The Democrats didn't say shit about Joe Biden doing this to truck drivers on his way out.
What he did to the railroad.
What he did to the railroad workers?
What he's doing to the truck drivers.
This is what the Democrats are doing.
And there's no Democrat movement.
Bernie Sanders didn't get his followers.
AOC didn't get here.
12 million Twitter followers to put pressure on Joe Biden to stop doing nothing.
No discussion.
Democrats are a cult.
And at least right now, the MAGA movement is not.
The MAGA movement is actually stepping up and holding Donald Trump and his cabinet feet to the fire on something that's important.
So I think this is actually great.
And I think that we're going to talk about what Elon Musk did to Laura Loomer right now, but because he cut off her free speech, he's screwing her over.
That's how they react.
If you get a little power, that's how billionaires react.
They try to shut you down, just like Bill Gates wanted to shut you down, just like Big Pharma wanted to shut you down, Moderna, Pfizer, and they did it through the FBI.
They did it through because they own the government, the deep state.
They're in bed with big tech.
They're in bed with big pharma.
They're in bed with the war machine and Wall Street.
And they don't work for the president.
We already found that out because Chuck Schumer told us that.
The deep state works for who?
He won't tell us, but he told us that they don't work for the president.
We know that.
You thought the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, you thought they all work for the president.
They don't.
They work for someone else.
They work for people like Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy and Jeff Bezos and Peter Thiel and Bill Gates and a handful of banking interests.
That's who they really work for.
Oh, of course, in Israel.
Okay, so that's what's happening right now.
This is exciting.
I think it's good.
This is like the MAGA people are pushing back hard.
And I think it's great.
Again, China's going to hand us the RS.
Now, how is that possible when China has been not only, I would say, isolationist, Jimmy, of not letting immigrants come in, right?
Yeah, how can we?
The CCP is a communist government, but they're about to eat our ass.
They're about to hand us our ass.
Yeah, that's right.
Get so far.
That's right.
They don't.
So their culture produces.
So they don't have sitcoms, I guess.
So he's saying that the communist China culture is far superior than the United States culture since, I don't know, since the 80s.
So that's that 40 years ago.
Is that how long ago that was?
I don't know.
Whenever they first kicked off the idea of destroying America for world government, though, when they still invest heavily in China, China doesn't have, you'll hear bullshit like, oh, China's about to collapse because they don't have enough immigration.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're sending Chinese here, aren't they?
So China.
India wants that sweet nectar.
So they're, so they're going to send, so China's going to hand us our ass, but they're going to do without immigrants.
They're going to do it without hand using the city.
It seems like it's really competitive.
I understand this.
Because they're right.
How would communists have a more competitive economy than the United States capitalists?
How could that possibly be, Vivek?
Or is this just a bunch of billionaires trying to use the laws and rig the system so they can suppress our wages because they don't actually give a shit about this country?
That's what it seems like to me.
And that's what it seems like to MAGA.
And I say, go MAGA.
You know what the Chinese economy, like their big problem was back when I was out there?
Was all the Chinese people, there had a real estate boom and everybody had invested in real estate, you know, like regular people there.
And it makes me laugh because I'm like, who the hell here could afford to invest in real estate that isn't a millionaire?
Right.
Or a billionaire.
Like the communist country.
Communists.
The kind of problems they have are, oh, I bought this property and now it might.
That doesn't even come up here.
Well, this point of view of Vivek and Elon, that's not going to rebuild the middle class.
That's going to the middle class is going to disappear.
They're not out there saying, hey, let's invest in our education system and educate our people so we can be strong.
That's not what they're saying.
They're not saying that at all.
They're not saying if they were, they're not, they could be saying both things.
That's, let's say, hey, let's invest in education and hire our own people.
But in the short term, we'll let in a few of these people.
That's not what they're saying.
Their answer is to just let these people in and suppress our wages.
And Eric Weinstein sniffed those guys out a long time ago.
Yeah, if you get caught up in the stupid race identity, which is amazing for Vivek to be bringing that up.
Amazing.
Because Laura Loomer, in fairness, she shouldn't be taken off Twitter.
She said a moronic thing about America's white European.
I don't care if she said that.
That's a distraction from the issue, which is they want your money lowered.
So forget all the identity bullshit and getting hung up on that.
It's always been a distraction from people naturally come together about getting paid.
People of all races.
It's always astonishing.
Always.
But so how do you split them up?
You have to come up with some primal bullshit every time where it's like everybody versus the other color.
It really ain't about Indians or nothing.
Hey, okay, how about this, Vivek?
You can bring in all the top Indian talent.
You got to pay them as if they were born here.
How about that?
About that.
Oh, no, that's not.
Then I guess we'd be able to find some engineers here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I just want to remind you of what's happening.
So populism is what got Trump elected.
Populism, which was also big in 1891 when they started the People's Party to go against both parties.
A lot of people said that Trump was on the outs with both parties and that's why he was a populist.
But then he surrounds himself with Elon Musk And Vivek Ramaswambi, a couple of billionaires who have no interest in workers in America.
And this is from Thomas Frank's book, the people, no.
And this is how the establishment puts down populism.
He says, our thought leaders relate to populism not so much as scholars, but as privileged class putting down a challenge to themselves.
Okay, so I'm going to read you one more part.
So they did this movement and it caught out across the whole country.
And it was called a populist movement, a people's party.
And they were going to stand up.
And what did they want?
Populists were those who supported a specific list of reforms designed to take power away from the plutocrats while advancing what they called the rights and needs, the interests and welfare of the people.
In the same issue of the paper that premiered the word, the nonconformists spelled out the grievances of the People's Party.
It protested poverty, unbearable debt, monopoly, and corruption.
It looked forward to the day when these were ended by the political actions of the people themselves.
The industrial forces have made a stand, the paper declared.
The demands of the toilers for right and justice were crystallized in a strong new party.
In fact, the populist movement against the two major parties would turn out to be even more momentous than the grandiose passage implied.
Populism was one of the first in the long line of political efforts to tame the capitalist system.
Up until that moment, in 1891, mainstream politicians in America had, by and large, taken the virtues of that system for granted.
Society's winners won because they were better people.
They had prevailed in the rational and supremely fair contest, called free enterprise.
The populists would blast those smug assumptions to pieces, forcing the country to acknowledge that ordinary Americans who were just as worthy as bankers or railroad barons were being ruined by an economic system that, in fact, answered to no moral laws.
This was in 1891.
Yeah.
It is now 2024.
It could be written today.
They answer to no moral laws.
So when you hear about far-flung ideas like the Illuminati, that's what I think it is.
A bunch of rich people with generational wealth that decided they're a different species than you.
That's right.
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Okay, we have special guests with us, Max Blumenthal, award-winning journalist, as well as the editor-in-chief and founder of the independent investigative news website, The Gray Zone.
He's also best-selling author of several books, including Goliath, The 51-Day War, and the Management of Savagery.
Welcome back to the show, Max Blumenthal.
Hey, Max.
Good to see you.
And thanks to you and Steph for the nice holiday card we just got.
Oh, I'm glad you liked it.
Now, are you going to be part of the shows in Baltimore?
Yeah, I heard something about this, but when are we involved?
I can't remember when they are.
March 14th.
March 14th and 15th.
All right.
I should have some material ready by then.
Okay.
And I just got to say, I really love the jacket you have on.
It really makes your eyes dance.
Thank you.
Okay.
The eyes are the window to the soul.
That's right.
So I brought you on because you tweeted this out: how they're what they call balkanizing, which means they're splitting up Syria.
And, you know, usually when there's a civil war, the winning side takes over the country.
That's not what's happening.
They're breaking it up.
Thanks to Syria's liberation, the plan for its balkanization and recolonization is well underway.
So basically, Israel is Yoko Ono and Syria is the Beatles, just so you know.
Okay.
And this is how they're breaking it up.
So this part.
So this is called lost regime territory.
What does that mean, Max?
Do you want to explain this map at all?
Yeah, it's hard to actually decipher it because it's a Bloomberg map.
So they're not giving you the full picture.
Syria's a large, large parts of Syria are militarily occupied by invading forces by Turkey to the north.
They using their proxy forces by the U.S., which is in pink, east of the Euphrates River.
That's where the oil fields and gas fields in Syria are that fed its economy.
It's also where its richest soil is.
And so that's where the breadbasket of Syria is.
It's as if a foreign country like some powerful foreign power was occupying Nebraska and Kansas and then telling us, no, you can't have your corn.
What would that do to the U.S. economy?
So there was a food crisis.
That's right here, right?
Yeah.
And they irrigate through the Euphrates River.
And Syria has been under sanctions since the dirty war.
But let's go back.
We can go back to 2011, 2012.
A dirty war on Syria began after there were some protests calling for political reforms.
The U.S., Turkey, NATO, the Gulf states, they dumped in billions of dollars of weapons into so-called opposition groups, which were led by the al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria called Javed al-Nusra.
And Turkey was the main backer, but the U.S. was pumping in something like $13 billion over the whole period.
And the whole point was to break Syria up.
And Israel was sitting back, not necessarily sitting back.
They were actually participating, but not as openly as the other states were.
And it was a divide and conquer strategy.
Take as much of Syria's resources as possible and divide and weaken it so it can't contest Israel, which was already occupying the Syrian Golan.
And Syria was really the last Arab state after Iraq was toppled and Libya were toppled that still supported Palestinian resistance.
So they wanted to weaken that as well, destroy its alliance with Iran.
Iran was using Syria to send supplies and weapons to its ally in Lebanon, Hezbollah, which was defending Lebanon against Israel.
So this gives you an idea of why they wanted to balkanize it.
And now this is the final, this is the product that we have today after the collapse of the Syrian government, which since the end of that dirty war was under the most ruthless sanctions regime in the world and was simply unable to trade in dollars.
It was cut off from the world economy.
It couldn't pay for irrigation equipment.
It was so most of the population was falling below the poverty line.
The Syrian lira was worthless.
And so it was only a matter of time, actually.
And now what basically what took place is the U.S. had been occupying the northeast of Syria, that pink area, which had starved its economy.
It said it was there to defeat ISIS, but it's really there just to defeat Syria and to take on Iran, the two real enemies of ISIS.
Then if you move to the left.
So let me just say, so when they asked Trump, why are you leaving troops in Syria?
He was leaving them here.
And this is where they make the food and have the oil.
Yeah.
And Trump tried to pull them out.
And the joint chiefs, the generals, just said no.
And the CIA said no.
And they started accusing Trump even more intensely of being a Russian puppet.
Then after Assad fell, Trump said, We have no business in Syria.
And that's when the Pentagon announced that they didn't just have 900 troops there, they have 2,000.
And those troops are working hand in glove with something called the Syrian Democratic Forces, which are just a Kurdish group that was named that by a general.
And so the Kurds are the U.S. proxy forces there.
It's all about keeping Syria divided and weakened.
And then if you look at that kind of greenish or is it turquoise or what would you call it?
Taupe?
I don't know what the color.
That and the one to the left, even further.
That's yeah.
That's Turkey.
That's what Turkey has cut into Kurdish territory there and slaughtered a lot of Kurds in the process.
Then if you move further left.
So the United States and the Kurds are here.
This is Turkey.
This is how we're splitting up Syria.
And it says SNA, Turkish-backed SNA.
That's the Syrian National Army.
But what it really is, is it's the refuse of the jihadist groups that the CIA and NATO and the Gulf states like Qatar were supporting.
Saudi Arabia were supporting them.
And Turkey just adopted them as mercenaries and they've called it the Syrian National Army, but it's basically Turkish mercenaries.
They don't exactly have the best interests of Syria in mind.
And then purple is Al-Qaeda.
It's called HTTP.
That's Al-Qaeda.
This is Al-Qaeda.
They have the capital, which is Damascus.
They have homes.
And this is all run by Al-Qaeda, people who attacked us on 9-11 and that we're funding and in bed with.
Go ahead.
So this was originally they just held on to a province called Idlib.
They took it in 2015.
And this was a coalition called Jabbat Fatal Shem, but was really a cover for Al-Qaeda.
And the most powerful group, as I mentioned, was Jabbat al-Nusra.
That's the local Al-Qaeda group, headed by someone known as Mohammed al-Jolani, who is now the ruler of Syria, although no one elected him.
And they had this little province.
And in that province, they kicked out all the Christians at gunpoint, gave many of their homes to Uyghur Muslims from western China who had been brought in through Turkey by Erdogan to set up their little colony, their little Islamist colony there.
They kicked out the Druze population, another religious minority, at gunpoint, forced them.
Some of them were forced to convert or be killed.
It was a spectacle of theocracy.
Women were executed for adultery.
You know, a little kind of Saudi Wahhabi theocracy was set up in a NATO carve out of the most secular state, not just in the Arab world, but the most secular state in the Middle East, a more secular state and more pluralistic than Israel.
I'm referring to Syria, the Assad government.
And so as their government was collapsing, the military's getting paid like seven, the soldiers get like seven bucks a week at most.
They're just on their last legs.
This group called HTS, which is the rebranding of al-Qaeda, which was getting clear NATO support, storms into Aleppo, the northernmost city in Syria that's a major population center and just takes it without a fight.
And then they keep moving south through homes, which you see there, all the way to Damascus.
The Syrian army melts away.
And they are now in power.
HTS, which we're told is former Al-Qaeda.
Muhammad al-Jolani is the leader.
He puts on a three-piece suit when he used to wear fatigues.
He actually used, this is someone, I mean, if we want to talk about Jolani, who emerged out of the U.S. prison in Iraq for al-Qaeda members, members of al-Qaeda and Mesopotamia, during the Iraq insurgency, he left there in like 2004.
There are rumors that he was actually recruited by the Americans at that point and starts trying to prepare the insurgency in Syria.
And Jolani just appointed as his intelligence chief.
This is the intelligence chief of Syria who's going to meet With all the foreign intelligence chiefs and deal with the CIA and Brussels and everyone else, NATO.
He was the key figure importing weapons from Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia in Iraq into Syria.
He was Al-Qaeda, one of Al-Qaeda's key figures in the Middle East and is sanctioned by almost every NATO state and the United Nations, personally sanctioned.
And he's now the intelligence chief.
It's just Al-Qaeda in three piece suits, and they control that purple area.
And it's the perfect scenario because for all of the imperialist powers, because Iraq, Iran, sorry, Iran and Russia have now been the most powerful allies of Syria, have been forced to leave.
Russia has two military bases on the Syrian coast, which are in that kind of yellowish area.
And it looks like they may lose them and have to move to Libya as part of a deal with Turkey and the U.S. And then Iran has completely left because they didn't want to lose thousands more men after this giant confrontation with Israel that they've been having, defending an army that doesn't want to fight.
So they've left.
And without any alliances and with an al-Qaeda government in power that can't possibly put up a fight, whose main enemy is other Syrians, Israel storms in, which you can see at the bottom is where it says Israeli troops edged further.
This is such a euphemism, into the Golan Heights and continue to operate in southern Syrian towns.
Israel's taken 450 kilometers of new Syrian territory, including Mount Hermon, which is the highest point in Syria.
It's so high that right now it's blanketed in snow and you can ski on it, which gives Israel the perfect vantage point to attack the rest of Syria.
You can see into Damascus from Mount Hermon.
Israel now has that.
They violated the UN plan that prevented Israel from going into Syria.
Greater Israel has expanded massively.
They've brought like fanatical religious nationalist rabbis to bless the new land.
They're talking about building new colonies there.
And the new government in Syria didn't even fire a single bullet against them.
And Israel's moving deeper and deeper into Syria as the U.S. is retrenching its presence and Turkey is taking more territory in the north.
So it's basically a divided, weakened, balkanized state that is being recolonized because as we know, Syria prior to its independence was a colony of the same imperialist powers that are now dividing it up.
So it's being, so you got Israel taken over there.
You got Al-Qaeda in the purple.
You got Turkey up here.
You got the United States and the Kurds over here.
And we don't know exactly who's controlling the yellow part, but I'm going to guess Israel and the United States.
And perfect and a perfect breeding ground for the resurgence of ISIS and whatever Al-Qaeda wants to do to Europe or to Lebanon.
That's right.
You got to remember ISIS is Israel and Al-Qaeda is the United States.
That's what I say.
Would you agree with that?
I mean, this is the thesis of my book, The Management of Savagery, is that the U.S. has always used these forces to attack its geopolitical foes.
And then when the blowback comes in the form of something like 9-11, for example, the U.S. then represses its own population and announces a so-called war on terror to de-democratize the country in favor of the national security state.
And so we're seeing a continuation and acceleration of that process.
There's no way instability is not going to flow out of Syria.
And if you pay close attention to what's happening in Syria right now, religious minorities are being slaughtered on the west coast of Latakia.
Alawites are being slaughtered.
The shrines of their holiest teachers, sheikhs, are being vandalized.
And there are revenge killings where anyone who is accused of being part of the security apparatus of the former government are just being killed in extrajudicial fashion in the streets, often on camera, shot in the head.
Others are being humiliated on camera.
And they are out in the streets protesting.
And HTS is bringing in their goon squads and firing at these protesters or firing in the air.
Christians are out in the streets of Damascus protesting because we've seen large Christmas tree displays be burned down, not just by Syrian members of the new HTS government, but by foreign fighters, foreign fanatics who think that Syria isn't even really a country for its people.
It's Islamic land.
Uyghurs are burning down Christmas trees.
And so Christians are out protesting.
We don't know how that will turn out, but it's a horrible scenario.
And finally, this new government is being welcomed by the United States and London.
They're meeting openly with British foreign office officials.
The UK's top Middle East foreign office official had a friendly, open meeting with Mohammed al-Jolani.
Same with Barbara Leaf from the State Department, met with Jolani and said she had a fruitful meeting.
And the next thing she did is remove a $10 million bounty from his head.
Why?
Here's why.
It's very simple.
Jolani said he will be their puppet and he will not resist the U.S. or Israeli occupation of Syria as long as he can establish his Sunni supremacist sectarian rule and commit awful atrocities and reestablish Gulag archipelago across Syria for his own purposes.
The U.S. and UK and the West are fine to sit back and watch because all they care about is protecting Israel and protecting their own occupation and their own theft of Syria's oil.
So here's one more 454 kilometers seize in two weeks, quite the pace, Israel.
A few people in Moscow may be wondering: what's the secret to avoiding sanctions while expanding territory?
What's the secret?
Why isn't Israel being sanctioned?
They're expanding their.
Well, I don't know.
Maybe if you had videotapes of people doing things that they weren't supposed to be doing, like the Mossad does.
So they have seized 454 kilometers of Syrian territory advancing since the fall of Assad.
Israel's captured.
Look at this.
This is the last five days.
So this is all again.
The terrorists are the United States and Israel.
And every war that has happened from Iraq to Libya to Syria to Ukraine has been because of Israel and the United States.
Certainly Afghanistan.
And now we're helping, again, we're bombing Yemen again.
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