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Get ready for an outstanding entertainment program.
The Jimmy Door Show.
Wow, look who's calling me.
It's Master of the Senate, Chuck Schumer.
Hi, Chuck.
Hello, Jimmy Dorr.
I wish to bid you and yours the happiest of all happy father's days, as well as remind everyone that the murder of innocent civilians is unconscionable.
What's that about?
We must protect the people of Sedan.
What?
What about the people of Yemen?
I agree.
We must protect the oil reserves in Saudi Arabia.
Is that what you mean?
Is that what you were talking about?
You're playing three-dimensional chess with me, aren't you?
You rascal, you.
No, no, I'm talking about...
I sense your frustration, Jimmy Dorr.
But to truly help victims of our foreign policy, there's only one solution.
Blue no matter who.
What a slogan, right?
Rolls right off the tongue and past the lips I never had.
Blue no matter who.
Except that grumpy old man, Bernie Sanders.
What?
What's your problem with Bernie, Chuck?
More like, what's his problem, right?
He needs to go away.
Go away.
Make room for real people who have a record of really getting real things done.
I mean, really, he's done nothing.
Well, what do you mean he's done nothing?
I mean, he's not called the amendment king for nothing.
Oh, please.
You know what I say to that?
Amendment King Amendment Schming.
Bernie has consistently focused on working-class Americans, income inequality, and the environment all his career.
I know, and it's all so boring, isn't it?
You think it's proper for a member of the U.S. Senate to sink to the level of wheeling and dealing and shaming and cajoling to get a $1.5 billion youth jobs amendment tacked onto an immigration bill?
What does that even mean, Youth Jobs Amendment, anyway?
Do you know what that means?
Because I certainly don't.
And that's why Bernie needs to go away.
Wait, wait.
Well, I think it means he advocated for millions of young people to get needed jobs, Chuck.
Oh, come on.
Amendments aren't like laws or anything important.
Waiter, discharge an A subpart.
Well, what the hell have you done, Chuck?
I passed a resolution to investigate the fiscal impact of changing the congressional font from Times New Roman to Bodini 72 Bold.
And guess what?
Everybody loved it.
We're tired of Times New Roman, Jimmy.
It's time for a revolution in formatting, and I am leading that charge.
Wow, that sounds super important, Chuck.
That mean old man with all the issues detailed on his pages and the only one who knows amendments, mister.
I also just filed one to name the next Navy warship in honor of a woman who got blown up in Syria.
What an honor, correct?
Well, why don't you just honor her death by not sending any more Americans to Syria?
Because out of the 289 ships in the Navy, only five are named for women.
We simply must do better.
Wow.
How do you propose to do that?
Well, for one thing, more women must start doing their part.
Show some spirit, ladies.
We can't go around naming ships after women willy-nilly unless they're dead, right?
I mean, what bill was that amended to?
The cram balloons down the blowholes of whales bill.
Why?
Okay.
It's the Jimmy Dore Show.
The show for...
...the kind of people that are...
It's the show that makes Anderson Cooper save.
And now, here's a guy who sounds a lot like me.
It's Jimmy Dore.
Hey, everybody, welcome to this week's Jimmy Door Show.
We'll see you next Friday in Portland, Oregon, June 29th, July 14th in Chicago, and July 21st in St. Louis.
Go to JimmyDoorComedy.com for a link for all our tickets for all our live shows.
Hey, let's get to the jokes before we get to the jokes, shall we?
Hey, did you hear O.J. Simpsons on Twitter?
No, Kenny.
Yeah, O.J. Simpsons on Twitter.
And I can't believe O.J. Simpsons has barely been on Twitter for 72 hours, and haters are already bashing his replies to stabbing ratio.
Come on, that's a good job.
Hey, did you hear a new report by the National Low-Income Housing Coalition?
Says rent is unaffordable in every state.
Rent is unaffordable in every state.
The good news, Sidewalk's still pretty affordable.
Sad joke.
Sad news from the world of music.
Did you hear authorities said rapper Lil Dirk, he's been charged with little attempted murder?
I don't know if you heard that.
True story.
Hey, Huckabee Sanders, leaving the White House at the end of the month.
Did you hear about that?
Yeah, she said she wanted to spend more time with her family getting kicked out of restaurants.
Isn't that nice?
Benjamin Netanyahu has dedicated Israel's newest town in the Golan Heights.
Did you hear about this?
He's dedicated Israel's newest town in the Golan Heights as Trump Heights.
No.
And like most building projects named after Donald Trump, it's illegal and run by racists.
Damn.
You'd think the Israelis might have a problem living in a town named after a Nazi.
Come on.
Joe Biden bet.
He keeps getting in trouble.
He keeps talking.
Every time he talks, he gets in trouble.
And at the rate Joe Biden keeps waxing nostalgic about his past affection for racist Democrats who wanted to exterminate black people, the South may really rise again.
This week, Nate Silver tweeted, did you know who Nate Silver is?
This week, Nate Silver tweeted that he wondered if, quote, Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders, standing in the middle of several of their younger candidates, is going to remind voters how old they are.
I don't know about that, Nate, but Nate's post should remind voters that his shitty combo will never mask a chronic lack of character.
Thank you, Nate.
Hey, did you hear the New York Times is reporting that the United States just placed crippling malware inside Russia's power grid?
Yeah, and so Rachel Maddow is now reporting Putin ordered Trump to do it so Russia could retaliate by turning off America's heat during the next polar vortex.
That's right.
Hey, climate scientists are saying global warming is responsible for growth of flesh-eating bacteria, while McDonald's is responsible for the growth of flesh.
Hey, what's coming up on today's show?
We have our interview with Dr. Ron Paul is on the show today.
You know, Dr. Ron Paul has been against the drug war.
He's been against the mass incarceration.
He's been against banks.
And he's also been against our foreign interventionist wars.
So Dr. Paul has a lot to say to progressives when we bring him on the show today.
Ron Paul's with us.
Trump wants a war with Iran, and CBS News goes right along with them.
We're going to take a look at why corporate news and NPR always pushes every war.
Plus, we got phone calls today from Double V Vince Vaughan, Mitt Romney, and Chuck Schumer.
And if you enjoy the impressions on this show, the master impressionist himself, Mike McRae, is going to be at the Cap Cities Comedy Club in Austin, Texas, June 25th through June 28th.
That's right, June 25th through June 28th.
Our good friend Mike McRae will be headlining the Cap Cities Comedy Club in Austin.
Plus, a lot lot more.
That's today on the Jimmy Dore Show.
Tonight on CNN, Anderson Cooper examines a nation in turmoil with a giant panel of ill-informed dumb people talking over each other from behind an enormous gleaming glass and stainless steel horseshoe-shaped desk, while swirling graphics you can't quite read float in the background behind their yammering, bait-jawed heads.
Find out what our panelists are thinking all at once as the occasional good point gets drowned out by a cacophony of paid partisan pundits.
Plus, Anderson takes us behind the scenes with a tour inside Gloria Borger's massive mouth.
Anderson Cooper presents a clamor of conflicting opinions and insipid interjected analysis from a cabal of Caddawal Incognicente tonight at nine, following CNN tonight with Drunk Don Lemon.
Not much in the mud.
How many times have you been to Iraq?
How many times have you been to Afghanistan?
Okay, so you know what's happening with Iran.
So here's what's happening.
We showed you this before.
This is a guy named Pat Clausen.
And this is how these guys talk openly.
And so I just want, and this is what he says about Iran.
I frankly think that crisis initiation is really tough.
Crisis initiation.
So that's Orwellian speak for how do we start a war with a country we want to invade and steal their natural resources.
How do we do that?
You have to have a crisis initiation.
That means starting a war.
That's what he means.
I frankly think that crisis initiation is really tough.
And it's very hard for me to see how the United States president can get us to war with Iran.
Which leads me to conclude that if, in fact, compromise is not coming, that the traditional way of America gets to war is what would be best for U.S. interests.
What would be best for U.S. interests?
Not someone's attacking us, someone's threatening us.
Hey, what's best for our interests?
We could probably get more oil out of Venezuela if we invaded it.
Hey, we could probably get more oil out of Libya to our American corporations.
It's in our interests.
We could probably put some military bases in Libya too if we invaded.
Same thing with Iraq.
So that's what he means by in our interests.
So he's saying, how do we start a war?
Some people might think that Mr. Roosevelt wanted to get us into World War II, as David mentioned.
You may recall we had to wait for Pearl Harbor.
Some people might think Mr. Wilson wanted to get us into World War I. You may recall he had to wait for the Lusitania episode.
Some people might think that Mr. Johnson wanted to send troops to Vietnam.
You may recall he had to wait for the Gulf of Tonkin episode.
We didn't go to war with Spain until the USS until the Maine exploded.
And may I point out that Mr. Lincoln did not feel he could call out the Federal Army until Fort Sumter was attacked, which is why he ordered the commander at Fort Sumter to do exactly that thing, which the South Carolinians had said would cause an attack.
And we didn't go into the Iraq, the first Gulf War, the first time, until there were reports of soldiers throwing babies out of incubators on the ground and letting them die.
And we didn't go into the Gulf War the second time until there was WMDs everywhere in Iraq.
And we didn't go into Libya and we didn't go into Syria until there.
Just one made-up reason to go into a war, one lie after another for war.
Another false flag after false flag to go into a war.
Again, it doesn't take a this is on the internet.
This is out there.
That's the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
So if, in fact, the Iranians aren't going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war.
One can combine other means of pressure with sanctions.
I mentioned that explosion on August 17th.
We could step up the pressure.
I mean, look, people, Iranian submarines periodically go down.
Someday one of them might not come up.
Who would know why?
They're laughing about how to trick a country into a war.
That's who these people are.
They are psychopathic, bloodthirsty maniacs who equivocate, who think dead bodies equal profits because they do.
That's who these people are.
That's who Washington, D.C. is.
And that's who the news media is.
And here's the guy.
Here's Pompeo.
Listen to them.
But in terms of how you think about problems, that's when I was a cadet, what's the first, what's the cadet motto at West Point?
He will not lie, cheat, or steal or tolerate those who do.
I was the CI director.
We lied, we cheated, we steal, stole.
Like, we had entire, we had entire training courses.
Yeah, that's all we do: lie, cheat, and steal.
That's what we have tried to check.
We lie ourselves into war.
We lie ourselves out.
And so here he is ready.
Here's one of those courses being put to work.
It is the assessment of the United States government that the Islamic Republic of Iran is responsible for the attacks that occurred in the Gulf of Oman.
This is only the latest in a series of attacks instigated by the Islamic Republic of Iran and its surrogates against American and allied interests.
And they should be understood in the context of 40 years of unprovoked aggression against freedom-loving nations.
40 years of unprovoked aggression by Iran against, do you know the country next door?
We completely destroyed, killed millions of people, made millions of refugees, destroyed that country.
You know the country next to that, Afghanistan, we've been occupying for the last 20 years.
You know the country just a little farther to the west of that, Libya?
We invaded that, killed everybody, turned it into a failed state.
Now it's a haven for terrorists, and they have open slave trading.
But Iran, Iran is the country that's been doing aggression for the last 40 years.
And by the way, he didn't take any questions.
So the big guy who admits he's a big liar in public didn't take any questions after he said that we got to go.
Oh, and here's Ben Norton.
Gee, Mike, this sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it?
And he links the 30-year anniversary of the Tonkin Gulf Lie launched the Vietnam War.
So the Gulf of Tonkin, that was how they got us into Vietnam.
They said they tacked us.
Didn't happen.
Max Blumenthal says, well, remember the Maine?
Yeah, Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Kuwait, incubator babies, Saddam's WMDs, Gaddafi soldiers, Viagra Spree, Viagra Speed, last messages from Aleppo, DOMA, burning aid on Colombian-Venezuelan bridge, and now today's attacks in the Gulf of Oman.
All bullshit.
Because who's the terrorist?
The terrorist is the United States.
Who's the terrorist?
Saudi Arabia and the United States.
Those are the terrorists.
This guy says, Secretary Pompeo must explain why would Iran target a Japanese registered vessel.
So what they said was Iran is trying to screw with the Japanese oil tanker.
Why?
Makes no sense why they would do that.
So he says, you must explain why Iran would target a Japanese registered vessel while Japan's prime minister, Abe, is conducting a state visit in Iran.
It makes no sense.
And the GOP must believe that the United States citizens don't follow global politics and will believe anything they lie about.
Well, it's got nothing to do with the news media is going to push the lie anyway.
And I'm going to show you how they've covered this.
It's so jaw-droppingly bad, but it's expected.
And we predicted this.
And this is why we have a show.
Because they're not going to tell you the truth about this.
And just to let you know, so they said that the Iranians attacked the ship and they had mines.
They attached mines to it.
That's a lie because the owner of the ship, the Japanese owner of the oil, one of the oil tankers attacked near Iran on Thursday, said the vessel was struck by a projectile and not by a mine, which is what the U.S. officials assessed as the source of the blast.
So that's just right away, immediately you know it's a lie.
And here's Donald Trump.
He goes on Fox and France.
Well, Iran did do it, and you know they did it because you saw the boat.
I guess one of the mines didn't explode, and it's probably got essentially Iran written all over it.
It's got Iran written all over it.
So here is, so even the guy who owns the boat says it didn't happen.
So here is this.
Here's the CBS report.
You want to hear this?
Watch this.
U.S. sanctions on Iran already had raised the potential risk of a response in the region.
We want to go to Charlie Dagana.
So he already lays the foundation for a bullshit report.
Hey, we've put sanctions on Iran, and that's already laid the foundation for them to attack us.
We've been waiting for them to retaliate against us.
What?
That's how you start the story?
Who told you to start it that way?
Who told you to write that?
Who said write it that way?
Along the Gulf of Oman, with why this area is such a flashpoint.
He's reported already extensively from the Middle East, and he's there again this morning.
Oh, this area is such a flashpoint.
It's a flashpoint because we're there fucking with Iran.
It's a flashpoint.
Do you hear this?
Do you hear this stuff?
Why is this area such a flashpoint?
Maybe because we're there fucking with Iran and because Trump wants to start a war with them?
Why is it such a flashpoint?
Well, you're going to find out why it's a flashpoint, except he's not going to tell you.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Well, it's hard to overstate how crucial these waterways are to the transportation of oil and gas from this region.
A third of all shipped oil comes through here.
And because that narrow waterway, the Strait of Hormuz, is situated just off the coast of Iran, it gives that country a significant point of leverage.
Yesterday's incidents follow similar coordinated attacks a month ago that targeted four tankers right off this port here.
Again, how long have you been talking before you say this isn't happening?
This isn't why this, the State Department, Pompeo, Trump, they're lying again.
What are you waiting for?
What is this guy waiting for?
Hey, you know what?
The Japanese guy who owns the boat says it didn't even happen that way.
And what the hell are we doing there anyway?
And this doesn't make any sense that they would attack a Japanese boat.
Makes no sense.
He doesn't say any of this.
He's reporting it in a way that makes you believe the government's story.
That's how he's reporting it.
Oh, boy, this is just, remember those other coordinated attacks?
Yeah, this is like that.
Iran.
What is what a what an on-purpose tool?
And now you know that this guy was selected.
He's been groomed to do this job since he was in kindergarten.
Iran denies involvement in those attacks, too.
But Iran has repeatedly threatened to cut off this vital artery.
What the fuck?
Do you hear this guy?
Yes.
Iran denies that they did it, but so all of a sudden Trump's a madman and he's working for Russia against our own country.
Except now everything he says, you'll repeat uncritically when he wants to go invade another country and kill a bunch of people.
He's a psychopac mainman, but let's have him run our military.
He's a traitor to our country.
Let's have him run our military without any question from the media.
Isn't that amazing?
This guy doesn't even tell you that the Japanese boat owner said that didn't happen.
Whenever there is a dispute with the U.S. or its regional allies, including Saudi Arabia or here in the UAE.
I like when they say a dispute.
Whenever there's a dispute, a dispute, you mean like whenever we decide to fuck with them?
You mean like that kind of a dispute?
Because remember, this isn't happening in the Gulf of Mexico.
This is happening off the shores of Iran, not the United States.
Just a couple of weeks ago, we were aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier, and the admiral there told us one of their primary missions is to safeguard the free flow of commerce in this region.
Well, it's also worth remembering that the Lincoln was sent here specifically in response to proceed.
That's what it's really worth remembering, you fucking tool, you mouthpiece for the military-industrial complex.
And why does this guy suck so bad?
This guy sucks so bad because he's funded by the people he's supposed to be investigating and exposing.
He's funded by the military-industrial complex and fossil fuel companies, oil companies.
That's who pays his check.
That's who funds CBS news.
And war sells, baby.
Trump and war sells.
What a shit job this guy's doing.
Iranian threats, but it hasn't proven to be much of a deterrent.
Michelle.
It hasn't proved.
So he's just told you that Iran has been doing this.
That's what he just said.
Fake news happens on CBS, NBC, and ABC and CNN every day.
That is fake news.
That is propaganda for war by the military-industrial complex-funded news organization.
It's just a propaganda arm.
You're never going to get the truth about the war from CBS or NBC or Rachel Maddow or CNN.
Ever.
So here is, here's how NPR, National Public Radio, they're supposed to be, you know, just straight journalists, right?
Because they're not beholden to advertisers, except they are.
Except they are.
How many commercials can you run for a fucking bank and still call yourself public radio?
Apparently, the number is endless.
You ever turn on public radio?
Hey, there's a commercial for Bank of America.
And then there's a commercial for Raytheon.
Hey, there's a commercial for Archer Daniels Midland.
Hey, there's a commercial for Walmart.
That's public radio.
So here's public radio.
This is Real News grab this.
So this is the guy's talking is he's Admiral William Fallon.
He's the former head of the U.S. Central Command.
And this is the video they said that the United States put out, Pompeo put out, Trump's administration put out, that said, look, there's an Iranian boat, and they're going up to this tanker, and they're taking down one of their mines because it didn't go off and they don't want to leave any evidence.
What they're most likely doing is helping people because the people who were rescued from that oil tanker were rescued by Iranians.
The Japanese and Norwegian people who were rescued from that oil tanker were rescued by Iranians.
So here, but listen to what the former head of U.S. general command, listen to what he says on NPR uncritically, unchallenged.
There's little doubt that's what it is.
The U.S. vessel in the vicinity, one of our destroyers, saw numerous IRGC boats around each of the tankers that was attacked.
I think the only question, I've seen some speculation that this may be some kind of an independent action.
I doubt that sincerely.
I think this was something that was premeditated.
And it's an escalatory step in a road to not sure where, but this is Iran.
This is for sure.
This is what happened.
That's an admiral lying for war.
That's what they do, baby.
How do you get to be an admiral if you're going to be critical of war?
That's not how you get to be an admiral.
You get to be an admiral if you question when the country in the State Department wants to go to war.
That's not how you get to be an admiral.
You get to be an admiral when you cheer on every goddamn fucking war.
And that's what he's doing.
So if this action is perceived as an escalation towards war, why is our reaction to go along with it?
Right.
What do we do?
You're right.
So you have the insight to go, wow, this looks like they want to escalate war.
Their intention is to create war.
What's our intention?
What are we doing there?
Somebody brought up the petrodollar in the top chat, too, as they were going.
So they never mentioned the petrodollar.
So if people don't know what that is, what the petrodollar is in the 70s, when the United States went off the gold standard, they made a deal with Saudi Arabia that said, hey, if you make everybody who buys oil from you buy it from you in U.S. dollars, you can use our military anywhere you want, which is a big reason why we're in Yemen, which is a big reason why we're in Iraq, Libya, Syria.
Okay?
This isn't not making this up.
John Kerry admitted this in front of the Senate testimony, which we've played on this show.
So let me just, so there you go.
So that's how they're reporting it.
It couldn't be worse.
They're doing exactly what I said they would do, exactly what we always say they do because they always do it.
What is that?
Well, they lie about war.
They lie about war.
And guess what they're doing?
They're lying about war.
Hey, who's this?
This is Jimmy Doerr.
How are you doing, Vince?
Why do you keep calling me?
Because I like you.
I'm just kidding.
I love talking to you.
I love sending you straight.
I appreciate you sending me straight.
I just wanted to, did you hear about what happened with this Kyle kid?
He was a victim in the Parkland shooting, which brought him a little bit of a little prominence.
And then it turned out when he was 16, he had done some kind of texting where he used some racist language in an attempt to kind of offend his friends.
So he didn't get into Harvard because of a private message he sent when he was 16 years old, which seems extreme, no?
How do people know about it?
I guess his friends who are now his political adversaries outed him.
Wow.
I got to say, just saw the level of cold-bloodedness.
Kudos to those fucking friends.
That's a way to destroy a motherfucker.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and no one's endorsing, you know, racism or his racist language or anything.
But we are questioning, do we all want to live in a world where we have to answer for the things that we said in private when we were 16?
So is that your position?
Yes.
Okay, I'll take the other one.
Yeah, no, he should be going to Harvard.
What are you talking about?
These Parkland kids squawking about gun control.
Get them out of the Ivy Leagues.
Set up to state school where they belong.
Is this a diversity thing?
They're always doing that.
Oh, he wanted to be diverse.
Isn't it for privacy?
Like, aren't you for privacy?
Wouldn't you be against this?
I'm not for privacy for people I don't like.
Is he going around trying to take my guns?
I say, dox that bitch.
Isn't it for privacy?
Like, aren't you for privacy?
Wouldn't you be against this?
Privacy for me.
Yeah, of course.
Of course I want that.
Privacy for me.
That's very important.
It's extremely important for people to not know things I say in private.
Absolutely.
I can't emphasize that enough, quite frankly.
And probably the same for you.
Oh, no doubt about it.
I couldn't.
I don't want to answer.
Well, just because sometimes the things you say in private for the opposite effect, like you say things in private that you actually don't mean to shock people.
Have you ever done that, Vince?
You know what?
I think I know what you're talking about.
See, it seems to ring a bell.
Just have to agree with you, Dario.
You take the tone out of the situation and you take the understanding that the two people have communicating.
And, you know, yeah, you could be paid as a real monster of some of this shit.
But you're still for guns?
Oh, 100%, absolutely.
That'll never change.
I sleep with my block on the pillow next to me.
My girlfriend hates it.
But Vince, the whole...
But Vince, the whole argument is that if we give up our guns, then only the government will have guns and we need guns to protect ourselves from the government.
But the government has already taken away our freedom.
We live in a surveillance state.
The Fourth Amendment's a joke, and the government does whatever they want.
Okay, that's some people's argument, granted.
My argument is I like shooting shit.
I mean, That's where I'm coming from.
I mean, I'm not crazy.
I don't think I'm going to overthrow the government.
I just like guns.
Okay.
What are you going to do about that?
That's how I identify myself.
That's my identity.
I got you.
I got you.
All right.
Well, listen, Vince, I appreciate you weighing in on this.
I'm sure people need to respect that.
People need to respect people who are different.
That's why I'm starting a program where gunnuts like me read stories to children at public libraries.
So they can get used to people who are different than they are.
Yeah, I'm getting a lot of pushback on that, to be honest with you, but I'm going to keep going forward.
I'm not going to let these bigots get my way.
Okay.
I look forward to seeing you in a library.
Okay.
I'll text you something inappropriate later.
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Right now, we're really thrilled to have on former Congressman, Republican Congressman, and presidential candidate and host of the Ron Paul Liberty Report.
It's Dr. Ron Paul.
It's so glad to have you.
Thanks for coming here.
Thank you, Jimmy.
Nice to be with you today.
So real quickly, you were always a voice for non-interventionism.
And I remember watching when you ran for president at the debates, that you would tell the truth and the people would like it, but the media and the other politicians would pretend like you didn't exist.
Do you remember that?
Well, yeah, very much so.
But occasionally, depending on the audience, sometimes the position, when I talked about non-interventionism and not doing any harm to anybody, there were some booze, too.
They tended to be the religious audience, but it is.
I would never get any favorable comments.
It was usually more exclusion.
You know, I didn't even qualify for being vicious against me.
They just sort of excluded me.
We did recently in some of these campaigns going on, and they said, well, you know, so-and-so had 6,000 people at this rally in California.
Of course, Trump's out of that contest.
But I had like 8,000 at Berkeley, and we never even got a comment made.
So it's ironic, not ironic, but you have to understand how the reporting goes.
And I'm sure you understand it as well as anybody.
So I understand it because you actually challenge the establishment.
And if you challenge the establishment, they ignore you.
They pretend like you don't exist, right?
Yeah, because if they pay attention to me, I might get more credibility.
But if they can ignore you, you know, maybe he'll go away.
And I may go different places and things, but the issue is not going to go away.
There'll be people like you that'll keep these ideas alive for a long time.
And I'm a strong believer in the ideas that make a difference rather than the political actions and the parties and all this stuff goes on on the media.
But I think ideologically, that is the way things are controlled, you know, whether it's economic theory, non-interventionism, and what we are taught in the universities, what is the consensus of the population, what the role of government ought to be, and really whether there is some morality in the system, whether they question the fact on whether we should be doing this.
Sometimes they say, I can do it.
It's constitutional, but maybe it's the wrong thing to do.
So I think those kind of things control things rather than, you know, campaign here or there.
I actually was pretty surprised that I got any attention at all.
And I ended up getting more than I expected.
So I wasn't, you know, really unhappy with it because I think I understood the system pretty well.
So, yes, I'm also surprised at the reaction this show gets.
But what this show tells me, what the reaction to this show tells me is that people are desperate for the truth from the media and from their politicians, and they're not getting it.
And that's why people like you are very popular and why you can get 9,000 people to come out to hear you talk in Berkeley because there's no one else is saying those things.
And we live in a country where we really have one party.
It's the Money Party, which is also a war party.
And it's the party of Wall Street, Big Pharma, and the insurance companies and of fossil fuels.
So you would be considered a libertarian.
I'm a self-described progressive.
Yet we agree on the big things, meaning free speech and non-interventionism, ending our foreign wars and regime change wars.
And we agree on liberty.
And we agree that someone like Edward Snowden isn't actually a hero, right?
Would you say Edward Snowden?
Now, what does it say about our country where someone who exposes crimes is considered a criminal, but the people who continue to commit these crimes are now at the heads of our CIA and in government?
What does that say?
Well, I think the morality is turned upside down.
And I think your point earlier that you made was about telling the truth because I always assumed that I wouldn't win the first election.
I always assumed I wouldn't last long because I would still keep doing what I believe.
And in the Bible Belt in the district I had back in the 70s, you know, not many people were talking about legalizing drugs.
And as a physician, though, I think I had a little bit more credibility with it.
And I said the drug laws aren't working and I'd get rid of them.
And I always thought, well, that did me in.
You know, nobody will pay any attention.
But actually, I think you touched on what it was.
It was being able to trust the person what they're saying.
And I've had it brought to me so often that a constituent would come up and say, well, you know, I really don't quite agree with you on this.
I think we should do this.
But I know you're doing your best and you're telling the truth and that's what we respect.
And I don't think the politicians I knew in Washington, except for the few, realized how good, how much of a value that was politically.
And I mean, that was the whole thing for me.
It wasn't the fact that I convinced my district that we better look into this Federal Reserve because there's a lot of collusion going on in the Federal Reserve.
They didn't quite get there, but there are more people now that are thinking about those kind of things.
But that wasn't the reason I got to Congress.
I think it was just the fact that I would try to give them the straight scoop.
And I think, though, that when they hear about liberty and why it is something that is inclusive and people should be able to be brought together, young people especially were very receptive to this.
And I keep thinking that people who call themselves progressive, they call themselves libertarian and conservatives.
It shouldn't Be divisive at all, and you shouldn't compromise.
Dennis Kucinich and I get along real well, but we know exactly what we don't get involved in and saying, well, I'm going to straighten you out.
But I think it's bringing the coalitions together.
So if you and I can talk and move along in this, and besides, just think, Jimmy, if we're able to get them to agree, more people to agree with us, we're talking about the big issues.
And many of the progressives finally came around to looking at the deception going on in our monetary system because none of this, if you don't like the wars, the runaway spending, none of it can happen without the Federal Reserve System.
Yes, and you've been calling out for the audit of the Fed.
And how's that going?
Well, it's still alive and well.
And once again, I was impressed on how far we got.
We had two votes in the House, and we were able to win it overwhelmingly for political reasons, not because they were doing me a favor.
The Republicans voted with me because we made it a grassroots issue by going directly to the grassroots.
But we had a lot of Democrats vote for it too, because, you know, transparency is a pretty good thing to be in favor of.
And people would vote, say, yeah, well, why don't we have transparency?
And we can use that same way with an honest conservative who may be wanting to start too many wars, but you ought to have transparency.
We ought to know where the money is.
And we ought to find out who's making the money when they're getting $600 for a little hammer and stuff like that.
So there should be an appeal to a broad base.
And I just think that, you know, my explanation has always been that if you can get people together and say, yeah, I like my liberty.
Well, I know you a bit, Jimmy, but I don't know all about you.
I don't know what your personal life is all about or your spiritual life is all about, but it's irrelevant because you or somebody else can go their way and I can go my way.
As long as we follow the one rule that makes us libertarians is we cannot use force to impose our will on others.
We can defend ourselves, but we can't say, hey, look, so-and-so, you don't understand this.
If you would straighten up your act, the world would be a lot better off.
That's looking for trouble.
And I'm afraid our foreign policy follows that rule, unfortunately.
So you talked about transparency in government.
That's the beauty of our government.
It's supposed to be transparent.
So you don't have to trust politicians.
You're supposed to be able to check up on politicians, right?
But we don't live in a transparent society.
We actually live in a surveillance state, right?
And so everything's done in secret.
We have secret courts, FISA courts.
We have secret investigations of the president.
We have other politicians.
It seems like we've, again, there's no morality in our government or the way we're, we've gotten so far away from the Constitution, as you like to say, that we do live in a surveillance state.
The criminals are lauded on television shows and at the top of our government.
And the people who expose crimes are now being prosecuted.
Like, well, Julian Assange, can you tell people what your position is on Julian Assange?
Just get away from it.
We shouldn't be involved.
He's not our citizen.
He didn't commit a crime against us.
He's a journalist.
And don't threaten him with anything.
And we're the ones that organize all the aggression against him.
But, you know, what we should do on this privacy thing, I think people got, our country got it twisted.
You know, the government was supposed to be there in the Fourth Amendment was to protect your privacy and my privacy.
And they were supposed to be transparent.
But now all the privacy is with the government.
And, you know, if you get a Sassanj or anybody else who's a whistleblower, they're the enemy of the state.
There's nothing more threatening to government than their exposure.
So we have it wrong.
We don't have any privacy anymore, and the government has all the secrecy.
It should be the other way around.
And under those circumstances, believe me, there would be a difference in the expenditures in Washington because right now the secrets are kept probably even in monetary financial affairs.
Is to maintain a globalist empire that we have won by default.
The Soviets disappeared and somebody had to take the moral courage to be the policeman of the world and they don't shy away from it.
It is theirs and our responsibility to do this.
And they think they're providing a great benefit, but it's also the source of all our friction.
And forced globalism is something that a libertarian isn't attracted to.
Now, a lot of people, I meet a lot of people who consider themselves on the right and who voted for Trump.
And they told me they voted for him because they were attracted to his non-interventionist foreign policy.
And he made fun of Jeb Bush for his brother's war in Iraq right on stage at the debates.
And people thought that was a mistake.
It wasn't a mistake.
People are sick and tired.
People are sick and tired of these wars.
Why would Trump then hire John Bolton and one of the biggest interventionists, one of the, who is, you know, a lot of people call him a war criminal?
Why would he put the swamp in his cabinet if he came in with a mandate to clean out this drain the swamp and stop our wars?
Well, I think when he was saying those things, he had his fingers crossed, you know, because it isn't consistent.
If you go back and look at Bush, George W. Bush in 2000, I mean, if you look at his foreign policy, he was pretty good.
You know, non-intervention, don't believe, be the policeman of the world.
Do not go into nation building.
He answered this on the stage on one of his debates.
And I said, boy, maybe there's some hope.
But he never believed that.
And it never happened.
Trump, I haven't analyzed him.
He confuses me a bit, but that is the question a lot of people are asking.
You know, way on a Liberty Report, when he does something that makes sense, we try to give him credit.
We go out of our way.
Like if he says, well, let's bring the troops home from Syria and let's bring the troops home from Korea.
You know, we say, good, good, good.
But then after we defend them to a degree one day, then the next day, you know, it's been reversed again.
So it's real hard to figure that out.
So I don't think I'm going to have the final answer.
All I know is I look at the results and the results aren't exactly as some expected.
But he also understands politics.
When you look at his crowds, those people probably, even though I could get some crowds out and they like non-intervention, I think the typical conservative really enjoys this nationalism and warmongering and fighting and all.
And it's such a shame.
But Trump has skirted that.
He still throws things out about bringing troops home and he's still not in nation building.
So there's obviously a contradiction.
It's not consistent.
And when you look at his Middle East policy and what's going on and Iran, it's just outrageous.
Well, so what's going on in Iran, right?
So that's why it's so curious or maybe obvious to other people.
He put John Bolton in his Cabinet and John Bolton's been wanting to invade Iran since 1992.
So that was so I try to tell people on this show that I voted for Barack Obama twice and I realized I was a chump twice because Barack Obama was a Nobel Peace Prize winner who immediately ramped up the war in Afghanistan, started bombing Libya, turned it into a failed state, dropped 26,000 bombs in the Middle East, ran out of bombs, and killed Osama.
I mean, he couldn't have been a bigger warmonger, you know.
And so he just took us from two wars to seven.
He expanded the wars.
I mean, there is, it's like this change, change on the outside, continuity on the inside.
So there is no break in our foreign policy.
There seems to be a permanent state that's running our foreign policy.
Is that crazy to think?
No, that's exactly right.
And I think what is interesting is it's not partisan.
You know, you just mentioned, you know, Obama, where he was, said, I did one thing, and you believed he was going to be better.
And then he turns out the same.
And then he put him on the liberal side.
Then you have George Bush saying the same thing.
And people, people like to hear that.
And in spite of the aggressiveness of conservatives, they still like to hear this.
We're really for peace.
Pompeo always says, I am for peace.
But then you get a guy like Trump in.
He's neither the conservative Republican nor is he a liberal Democrat.
He's sort of the independent that is going to clean out the mess.
But guess what?
Nothing changes.
That shows you how powerful the military-industrial complex is, how powerful the influence is on commercialism and finances and monetary policy because it is monolithic.
And all this stuff is just distraction.
And that is why I'm rather cynical about most of what's going on in politics because there are some good people there.
But for the most part, it's a distraction.
If something is going on and they want you to not pay attention to and something happens over there.
So as we were improving our relationships with North Korea, we were making them a lot worse when it came to Iran.
But it seems like it's the same group of people.
But I don't think you or I could come up and say, okay, we're going to name them because we're going to go get them.
And there's 24 of them.
And we're going to go out and round them up and everything is going to be okay.
I don't think it's quite like that, but there are some powerful forces.
I see it in finances, you know, and the people who donate the money to the corporate interests that donate the money, both for the campaigns as well as the lobbying efforts.
And that's why some people come to me.
Iran, we really agree with you.
That's why you need a lot more wars to tell people how they can spend their money.
They shouldn't be allowed to spend their money.
But no, I think it's hard to figure out exactly who they are, but they're out there and they have a lot of power.
And I don't think that Trump is a true non-interventionist, but I do think so.
I listened to him, and I think he believes that it would be bad to start a war.
Matter of fact, I'm predicting that he's not going to roll a lot of tanks into Iran.
But what I'm scared to death is why, and you asked the question earlier, why does he have guys like Bolton and Pompeo telling him what to do?
Because it can get out of control.
And then the people, I mean, Trump has a good ear for politics.
And he's worked these coalitions.
So in many ways, he does challenge the deep state personality-wise.
Who pulls the strings?
Who's in charge?
Who's powerful?
But I don't think anywhere touching the philosophy because the philosophy has to be challenged all the way back to our educational system.
It has to be challenged all the way to our universities that teach all this stuff.
And nobody comes to Washington having been exposed to Austrian free market economics.
They've all been exposed to one form of it, and that is Keynesian economics that says you need a Federal Reserve so that people can run up a debt and you don't have to worry about the deficit.
And liberals can have their welfare and the conservatives can have their war.
That's in the past.
And that's what they don't want to talk about.
But that's where the action has to be eventually.
And it's going to come because this system is not viable.
This system's come apart.
Not only do we see, and we've already talked about the fragility of our foreign policy and can't quite figure it out.
I think basically the argument is over personnel and the fact that this country is in much more serious strait than OME.
We are bankrupt.
And they always have to fudge the figures and pretend there's no inflation and that what we need to do is to spend more money and they get together and they always spend more money.
There's no backing off of anything.
So they are locked in place.
There's no backing off.
And that's why this is going to end badly.
And that is why I'm glad to see, Jimmy, that you're on the air and talking and try to get people to just look at truthful things because, you know, like, let's take our non-interventionist foreign policy.
I think there's a lot more support out there than we hear, but not if you watch television.
I mean, it means that if you and I talk about this, we might be accused of being un-American.
They might not let me monetize my Facebook pages and things like that.
And that's already being attacked if you don't capitulate and go along with it.
But the ideas have to change.
If they don't change, it has to absolute tyranny.
It'll drift into something like a Venezuela.
I don't think we're that stupid, but then there are other days where I think we might be.
But we have to have to offer something different.
And that's why you have to offer a different approach to economics without saying when the Republicans finally get around, we need to cut some penny.
They cut food stamps or something like that.
And I thought, yeah, why don't you cut food stamps for the military industrial complex?
So my argument always when that question came up was, you know, I'm not going to attack, you know, some of the welfare system.
Kids getting medical care, we've taught them to be dependent.
But what I would do is I would cut billions and billions of dollars of running the world, put half of it toward the deficit, and put the other half to tie the people that are so dependent over until they can get dependent on themselves, independent.
That's the only way it could.
But they're not going to listen to me.
They're not going to do that.
We're going to keep marching on to this horrendous bankruptcy where the people who have any money or sense and want to save themselves, they'll be out of here.
And there's already a lot of people who, a lot of money leaves this country.
And then they'll try to put prohibitions on taking your money out of the country.
But that's what will happen.
I mean, it happens in all the countries.
But we will have the opportunity.
And that's where I'm optimistic.
I think meeting with so many young people, if they hear the straight story, they say, you know, that does make sense.
And they will come along.
I don't believe that the image that the millennials have been given, that all they do is waste money, they don't care, and they play video games.
I guess they do a lot of that.
But I also look to it that you don't have to have, you know, massive numbers.
You just need a nucleus of people who come around to understanding this because it's not the masses that direct policy.
It's the universities.
It's the professors.
It's the philosophy.
it's the propaganda about why if you're a good American, you have to be for all these wars and why they put the military people, the personnel on pedestals.
You know, I was in the military for five years, and the most annoying thing is they come up to me and they thank me for my service.
I said, Well, I do they drafted me in the 1960s during the Vietnam era.
And I said, I didn't do anything.
The only thing I might have should have considered is why am I here?
But you're put on pedestals and because it's that's what they want.
They need the warmongering, they need the machine, they need to praise those individuals because then they don't have to face up to the fact when they look, get on a bus or on a car or an airplane and see somebody that has neither arms nor legs, realize, well, that's because somebody sent them over to Iraq and Afghanistan, and they had a little trouble.
So, that is that to me is just atrocious.
And the only thing I can solve this is to change it and go along with your suggestion about the non-interventionist foreign policy.
So, that is such a great point you make about that we put our military on a pedestal.
And to me, it smacks of propaganda every time.
I've been to Afghanistan, and let me tell you, there's nothing more than a soldier likes is you to make fun of his commanding officer or the president.
They told me you can't make fun of the commanding officer, you can't make fun of the president when I went there.
At the time, if President was Bush, first thing I did was made fun of President Bush and then their commanding officer, and they all stood up and cheered.
And it turns out that everybody hates their boss.
That's what it turns out.
So, this idea that we get like, you know, like regular soldiers, once they come back from combat, they're almost universally against the war that they just came back from.
Everybody I talked to who came back from Afghanistan and Iraq, they're against it.
And I find some recruiters out in front of my house yesterday recruiting the kid across the street because he's washing his car.
And they stop their car to go recruit him into a war.
And I asked the guy, and I said, Hey, have you ever been in combat?
He says, No.
I go, Well, then maybe you should get back in your car because this guy doesn't want to go to combat.
And everybody I ever met who did go to combat tells people don't join.
And I asked him, Do you know what the suicide rate is for soldiers?
He didn't know.
That's what he told me.
The guy who was recruiting kids off the street.
So I got a predator in my neighborhood recruiting kids to go kill other people and get killed for the military-industrial complex.
And I'm sure he gets a check on his invoice too that he recruited another kid.
So he gets another bonus star.
So I don't know.
So that's just a great point that you make that the military-industrial complex and the media needs to put our military on a pedestal.
And instead of what we should be doing is looking through reality, instead of a rose-colored lens at what's happening, what we're really doing is terrorizing the world with our foreign intervention wars.
And right now, the reason why we're getting away with it is because we figured out how to do it with our air power and to commit as few land soldiers as possible.
Do you agree with that?
Yeah, absolutely.
And then intertwined with that is the fact that we're the official counterfeiters of the world.
We have a machine.
If you had a gold standard, we literally could create gold and everybody would recognize it.
So the dollar is being held in much higher esteem, mainly because we are wealthy and we have the weapons and we throw our weight around and we can put on sanctions.
So we intimidate people and they have to listen to them.
But I think that just makes things worse.
I think that just makes more resentment than ever.
And that will be part of our problem.
On this issue of going over there and fighting other kids, I always make the point that, you know, just think about it for a minute.
If you're between 18 and 25, you're an American, did we ever hear of a group of young men getting together, you know, and saying, hey, you know what we ought to do?
What we need is a good war, you know, and become heroes.
So we wouldn't need to do it.
And then there's a group like this over in Iraq.
You say, oh, yeah, we need a good war.
I think we should call Americans names and maybe we can get war.
And so these kids get together and kill each other.
Obviously, that would be ridiculous.
It's the people up there.
It's the older people that aren't going to go marching.
And it's also the money, that military industrial complex.
A lot of pressure put on with that.
And even our president said that, you know, we can't cancel all those weapons to Saudi Arabia, no matter what kind of morality they're following and what they're doing, because we'd lose some contracts.
If we don't sell them weapons, somebody else is going to switch for jobs.
And that's disgusting because somebody's going to get killed with those weapons and somebody's going to have to pay for them.
And it'll suck us into the war as well.
You know, when your son Rand was on with Wolf Blitzer, I'm sure you saw this a couple years ago, and he was questioning us selling arms to Saudi Arabia.
And he wanted to have a discussion about it.
And Wolf Blitzer said back to him, well, you don't want to sell arms to Saudi Arabia.
You know, that's going to cost a lot of jobs back there.
That was his newsman's position.
It sounds like the newsman is sitting on the board of Raytheon.
It doesn't sound like he's an actual newsman.
And that's a big problem in our country, too.
Boy, that's for sure.
Yeah.
So, right, I just want to, real quick, people don't realize how Trump is going to get us into Iran.
And Trump is going to get us into Iran through the AUMF, which is the authorization for use of military force that we gave George Bush after 9-11.
So he's going to, and then he, of course, George Bush used that to go into Iraq.
And now Trump, it looks like they're trying to find a way to use that to go into Iran.
Is that what it looks like to you?
Oh, yeah.
And I think they're pretty much admit that.
And Pompeo was in a meeting just this couple of days ago, you know, badgering the members to prove to them that they do not have to come to Congress.
And one of the examples given is that since 9-11, it's been used 44 times to go into battle.
And of course, the wording of that, it's not complicated.
The authority to go after those individuals who were responsible for 9-11.
Well, the Iranians actually offered to help us after 9-11.
And this whole thing is just based on a lot of lies.
That's what's so disturbing, though.
You think you're making progress.
Most people in this country now know that Iraq should have been fought because it was based on a lot of lies, which is true.
And now we're finding out about Syria, all this stuff.
Assad gassed his own people.
We're finding out that they're based on lies.
Oh, yeah, let's go back a few years.
How about the time I got drafted in 1962?
You know, it had to do with the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.
And that was all based on lies, too.
So governments lie.
The empire considers it treasonous to tell the truth.
So that is why you always hear the lies.
But that should wake people up.
Because right now, if you take polling, but it's always after the fact.
And that's why the media gets ahead of us and gets us into trouble.
Then we have a long time just trying to prove otherwise.
So that's really one of our biggest problems is counteracting the propagandists.
So I really appreciate you being very generous with your time and spending all this time with us and answering our questions.
And I just want to, you know, I don't think people, enough progressives, you know, understand your positions.
And are they very, very, very surprised to find out how staunchly you are against military intervention, how you stand up against the Pentagon and the Federal Reserve, and you try to tell the truth about the bankers.
People don't know you're also against the drug war, right?
So you came out forever against the drug war.
And you also have a theory that the drug war also fuels our military intervention abroad.
So could you talk a little bit about that?
Oh, yeah.
Well, all you have to do is look at the borders.
And, you know, it is an international thing.
But, you know, right now, we're still having a major tragedy with alcohol, you know.
And I think there are some statistics that show that it might even be more deadly than opioids.
So, but nobody's right now arguing the case.
Oh, yeah, you know, prohibition worked real well.
So let's go back to that.
No, it's the issue.
Conservatives are afraid to look like they're supporting drugs.
And as a physician, I had a little bit of license to tell them a little bit about what my position was.
And I don't like those drugs.
I don't think they should use them.
But, and I don't argue, and some people will be interested.
And this is when you get a mixture of people from the left.
Some might want just one little thing.
They'll say, oh, I like you because you legalize marijuana.
I say, no, that is not exactly my position.
I want to legalize freedom.
I want to legalize freedom for you to make your own decisions about the use of drugs, assume your own responsibility for it, and good or bad.
But I want it to be that because the government is not smart enough.
And when you look back now, the tragedy of what the illegal is making marijuana illegal, all the lost resources and stuff.
There's more and more knowledge about marijuana now.
And, you know, then they made hemp illegal.
Hemp was it was used to make rope.
So you could go to prison for not making for making rope with hemp.
And there was no marijuana in it.
So it's just foolish.
And I thought, and I really did think the drug war would put me out of politics.
But once again, I think what you mentioned that people want to know what the truth is, and they'll feel challenged.
But I think the way people tell the truth makes a big difference.
I don't think you can rough it into people.
You can't grab people by the collar and say, you're wrong on this.
You need to believe like I do.
Just bring those troops home.
But it has to be a different approach.
People don't like that.
Some people do.
But I think basically if you're going to persuade people, and the other thing that I try to remind people is don't get despondent because we don't have 51%.
You don't.
You just need 8% or 10% of the population who are putting the ideas out there.
The rest will come along after they're popularized.
But it is a consensus.
It's what the people want, what their image of government should be that makes the difference.
If they think the government should be totally socialistic, you know, and that the government's going to take care of us from cradle to the grave, give us free education, free medical care, when the government's in $22 trillion of debt.
I mean, that's a real challenge.
And a little bit of logic should figure, you know, work it out.
So what do you call a system that takes the richest country the face of the earth has ever seen and renders half of its population poor or low income and 80% of its workers living paycheck to paycheck and 30 million of its members without health care?
I call that a failed system.
What do you call it?
It's absolutely failed.
But the real challenge I have with people who say, well, that's an automatic reason why we need more government intervention.
It's a failed system.
Well, they'll say, well, it's too much free market.
There's too much free market in education, too much free markets in medical care.
But no, it's all corporatism.
Believe me, that is not the blame.
They did this in the 30s.
In the 30s, they came up and they said the worst thing that happened in the 20s was that we had the gold standard and we had conservative viewpoints and they wanted to balance the budget.
And so that was ushered in the age of the New Deal.
So this is what they're doing right now.
They're once again saying, oh, yeah, everything is wrong, which I agree with.
You and I probably have a lot of agreement.
And that statement you just made, basically, I agree with that.
But I look at it and say, well, if you understand the monetary system, if you understand inflationism, if you understand what Mises said about this, he says when you do this, when you debase the currency, it will destroy the wealth of the middle class.
It will get rid of the middle class.
This is exactly what's happening.
And they're getting poorer.
And you mentioned a very important date in monetary history, and that was 1971.
And I remember the date very clearly.
It was August 15th, 1971.
And since that time, real wages have not gone up.
Nominal wages go up.
So then the interventionists say, well, what we have to do is we have to mandate higher wages.
Let's make wages.
Okay, well, we finally got around to it.
They're pushing them up to 15.
Beside the point and missing the issue is the fact is when you destroy the value of the currency, the purchasing power of the working man, the middle class goes down and the costs go up.
And that's why you see statistics now.
You know, most, a large majority of people can't live more than 30 days with their savings.
And we're going to have that come.
And then we're going to have some serious problems.
But it has to do with the debasement of the currency.
And that is what goes on.
But that explains why the poor people are getting poorer.
It isn't because we don't have enough government welfare spent.
We do that.
It's so inept.
The corporations get hold of the educational thing.
In medicine, I've been in medicine.
They say, well, we need to give everybody good medical care.
Well, guess what?
There's more corporatism in medical care than anything.
You have hospitals are incorporated now.
They're not run by charity or churches anymore.
They're run by corporations.
You have the drug industry who are very, very powerful.
And they lobby.
Republicans pass that prescription drug price.
But the people have to have drugs.
So they did that.
And all that all boosts costs.
But guess where the profits go?
It goes to insurance companies, the management companies, and to the drug companies.
So that's not free markets.
That's government intervention.
That's corporatism.
Ralph Nader and I have talked about this.
And he says, Ron, I agree with you.
It's corporatism.
Yes, this is definitely.
So what this is, is the corporate capture of our government, right?
So we have a certain sort of fascism happening in the country, But it's coming from our corporations, but the corporations run our government.
We agree, I think, on 90% of it.
We disagree on free markets being the answer to everything.
So I would love to have you come back on, though, because we're running out of time.
But I would love to have you come on and just talk about your economic theory and what you just mentioned here about what makes poor people poor.
I'm for a different remedy to the problem we agree we both have.
My remedy would be more democracy at the workplace.
And I just have one quick question.
Do you know of any examples of where capitalists self-regulated themselves into not poisoning the world and screwing workers for profits?
Yeah, I think in the early part of our history, but it immediately got bad because that's human nature.
To argue the case that we don't want free markets is that it's unregulated isn't a good argument because we have all the regulations in the world.
The Federal Reserve caused a problem.
Then you have more regulations.
Every time we have a crisis, we have more and more regulations.
But it never saves us from anything because the wrong people get to write the regulations.
But to argue that the free market is unregulated is absolutely wrong because we had a major crisis in 08 and 09, a lot of bankruptcies.
The Austrian economists predicted was coming.
And so they had to bail out people.
And all of a sudden, who got bailed out?
The very wealthy, the poor didn't get bailed out.
Now, if there would have been a free market there, believe me, the people who overstepped their bounds, they got themselves into trouble.
You don't bail them out.
You know, and you say, oh, yeah, but somebody, you got to bail them out because there'll be ripples.
No, there'll be less bubbles.
But when you suffer and you don't do a good job and you don't satisfy the consumer and you're going broke, that is understandable.
But you cannot say it's unregulated.
I think the regulations are much tougher.
No fraud, no theft, no counterfeiting, and make people who cause the trouble be punished.
You know, the bankers should have been punished.
They weren't punished.
And a free market would punish the people who abused the system.
Right.
So what happened was the bankers relied on socialism for the wealthy, right?
And so there was no moral hazard for them running our economy into the ground, correct?
I think there's some truth to that, certainly.
Okay.
Well, Dr. Paul, everybody should check out the Ron Paul Liberty Report.
I check it out often and I learned a lot of stuff.
You guys have a lot of great information, and we certainly appreciate your Liberty point of view here at the Jimmy Door show.
So thanks very much for taking time, and I hope you can come back on soon.
Jimmy, nice to be with you.
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