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Feb. 13, 2016 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Get ready for an outstanding entertainment program.
The Jimmy Dore show.
So we're going to give Jeb Bush a phone call at his headquarters.
Hello, Jeb Bush campaign headquarters.
Yeah.
I'd like to speak to Jeb Bush, please, if that's possible.
Really?
Are you sure?
Are you sure he didn't mean to call the foot store?
They're next door.
We actually get that a lot.
No, no, I mean, I want to talk.
Jeb, is this you?
Is that you, Jeb?
Jeb.
Yes.
Are you answering your own phone?
Absolutely.
I've always said if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself.
Also, there's no one else here to do it.
I finally let everyone go to Krispy Kreme because I got so damn sick of hearing a bitch about it.
Who is this?
It's Jimmy Dore, buddy.
Oh, hey, Jimmy.
I saw you up there in Iowa.
Oh, really?
You saw me?
Yeah, and I saw your little video where he made fun of me in my Des Moines headquarters, too.
Jeb, no one was there.
There was literally nothing going on.
It just is just funny.
It's just a funny thing.
It was funny, Jeb.
It was.
It was funny.
Yeah, well, that day everyone wanted to go to Perkins.
I can't say I blame them.
Oh, those omelets.
Oh, they have the omelets, Jeb.
What is it?
How do they get the omelets so good at Perkins?
They do a trifold.
They're almost, and they're fluffy and they're not rubbery.
And they're just, I can't, I love them.
They're fantastic.
I want to talk about the omelets a little bit more.
Well, it's the Hollandaise sauce they put on them.
I mean, holy moly.
Oh, it's not only the Hollandaise, Jeb, but it's the clarity of the egg almost.
I don't know even how to say it.
It's amazing.
Hank had them.
They were amazing.
They were amazing.
Yeah, no, they've got it mastered, no doubt.
Yeah, they certainly do.
Now, listen, I want to ask you.
I know, how are things going, by the way?
I don't know, Jimmy.
I just don't know.
People keep telling me to keep my chin up, but that's not so easy when you barely even have a chin.
Like, come on, take a different metaphor, guys.
Come on, give me a break.
Okay.
All right.
We're going to give you a break.
Listen, you came in fourth.
You came in fourth place in New Hampshire.
I don't know how to say, not super awesome, Jeb.
It's not super awesome.
Well, for a while, I was like, you know, at least I'm not way at the bottom.
But then like four guys dropped out pretty much putting me at the bottom after all.
I'm like, thanks, guys.
Thanks a lot.
Come on, give me a break.
So, Jeb, what are you focusing on now?
What's your focus now, buddy?
Well, Jimmy, we're going to bring out the big guns in South Carolina.
Isn't that how the Civil War started?
What?
Oh, oh, yeah.
That's a bad choice of words.
Darn it.
I'm always screwing up metaphors and phrases so they mean other things.
Just call me boner mouth, I guess.
No, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to call you boner mouth, okay?
I'm not going to.
Yeah, I know it's funny.
I'm not going to call you boner mouth.
Thanks.
But no, instead of the divisive spirit of the Civil War, I'm conjuring a uniting force.
Oh, really?
Which is my brother, George W. Bush.
Oh, boy.
I don't think of your brother as a uniting force in American politics, Jeb.
I really don't see your brother as uniting people.
I really don't.
No, we'll just see about that, Jimmy.
You really think that George W. Bush is going to be a rallying point for you?
That's going to make all the anti-establishment sentiment on the right that is running the Trump and crews all of a sudden, they're going to embrace the Bush dynasty?
Really?
No.
Look, I realize everyone hates my brother because he, you know, fucked up the world.
But I don't know what else to do.
I had my mom campaign for me already.
She says I'd make a great president.
But that didn't work.
My dad won't do it because he just sits around all day changing his socks constantly.
I got to go with Georgie.
Who else is going to make the case for me, Neil?
I don't know.
How about you, George?
I mean, Jeb, you ever think about that?
How about you make the case?
I don't know what the case for me is.
Yeah.
And it's showing, isn't it?
Yeah, it's showing.
It's painfully showing.
You know, Jimmy, some days I just think I should change my logo to Jeb question mark.
No, no, Governor, don't do that.
I'm sure you'll figure it out and find out, you know, what you're about and what your thing is.
I'm sure everything will get figured out.
I know you're just trying to make me feel better, and I appreciate it.
I do.
It's just sometimes I feel like a real rat fink.
I can't just go out to these people, these hardworking Americans, and say into a microphone, it just seems like I'm supposed to be president now.
I just can't.
That's not the message that people want to hear from me.
Our campaign is adrift and drowning without a central message.
Hell, a few weeks ago, we considered changing my official campaign slogan to I'm not Donald Trump with a picture of a duck next to it.
What's the duck for?
I have absolutely no idea.
That's how lost we are as a campaign.
One of my staffers literally suggested we put a drawing of a duck on my official banner logo thingy, and that idea moved so far along that it was almost implemented before it was caught and questioned.
And we asked that staffer what that was even supposed to mean, a duck?
And he didn't know either.
So, you know, this is the kind of stuff that I'm having to deal with.
It's exhausting.
A fucking duck.
*laughter*
Wow, you guys are really in the weeds, huh?
Tell me about it.
If my presidential bid keeps going south at this rate, I'll be running for president of Mexico.
Please laugh.
Really?
Now you're begging people to laugh.
No, Jeb, I'm not going to laugh.
That was a dumb, that was a dumb joke.
Not going to laugh.
Oh, man, come on.
Jeb, you got to pull yourself together.
When people told you two years ago that this election was yours to lose, they didn't mean that literally.
Yeah.
I don't know what's going to happen.
I don't feel like I have any control over anything.
My therapist calls this learned helplessness.
And I don't know about that, but if she says so, I guess that's what it is.
I don't even know if I want to be president anymore, to be honest.
Did you ever really want to be president, Jeb?
I don't remember.
Well, I certainly hope you pull this all together and stay in the race because we really enjoy making fun of you at the Jimmy Door show.
Well, thanks.
I appreciate that.
I do.
But I have to go, Jimmy.
Campaign duties call.
I'm scheduled to go kick a can down the street with my hands in my pockets in about 50.
Okay, Jeff Bush.
Thanks, it's up.
I want to find it.
It's the Jimmy Dore show.
The show for...
Up-minded, lowly-livered lefties.
The kind of people that are...
It's the show that makes Anderson Cooper save.
It's hard to talk to Taylor.
And now, here's a guy who sounds a lot like me.
Hey, everybody, welcome to this week's show.
I am joined on the Skype from San Francisco.
You know him, you love him.
It's everybody's funny man, Mark Van Landuit is with us.
Hi, Mark.
Hi, everybody.
Good to hear your voice in the studio with me from Team Yasamura, Robert Yasamura.
Hey, Robert.
Hi, everybody.
Also, with us from the Miserable Liberal blog, it's everyone's favorite miserable liberal, Steph Zamorano.
Hi, Steph.
Hola, Jimmy.
I am here.
Yes, and Hank Thompson here running the tech.
Hey, Hank.
Everybody, calm down.
I'm here.
Okay.
Let's get to some jokes before we get to the jokes, shall we?
Hey, Maureen Dowd.
Maureen Dowd.
I don't know if you read her columns.
They're very informative.
Maureen Dowd.
Remember when she was the one who went to Denver to try marijuana?
Should have flyed to Denver.
She lives in Manhattan.
Just had to fly to Denver to see how pot works.
That's how smart Maureen Dowd is.
And then she freaked out on it.
Okay, so Maureen Dowd says Obama used race to get elected, said Hillary is using sex to get elected.
And Trump is using Maureen Dowd to get elected.
Did you hear Trump called Cruz a pussy on stage?
Yes.
I did hear that.
Yes.
Trump called Cruz a pussy with the macho manlier than thou swagger of a draft dodging trust fund kid with his own line of cologne.
Boy, I got to tell you that New Hampshire primary, am I right?
That New Hampshire primary, the voters elected a Jew and the Republican voters elected a Nazi.
It's a state at odds with itself.
There's no question.
You know, the post-Trump New Hampshire's New Hampshire slogan used to be live free or die.
Sure.
But now that they voted for Trump, it's eat shit and die Muslims, Mexicans, black people.
Ouch.
Hey, did you hear Carly Fiorina dropped out of the race?
Meanwhile, the people who did the Planned Parenthood videos are making her victory film.
You get that.
She dropped out because she said she wanted to spend more time lying to her family about Planned Parenthood.
You know, as it turns out, Chris Christie did not do well in New Hampshire.
His gruff Northeastern attitude just didn't translate well in the Northeast.
I think the real problem is in New Hampshire, you do a lot of your talking in diners, and I don't think you just stopped eating the whole time.
It's tough.
We've got a phone call that's going to address that coming up later on in the show.
In New Hampshire, Chris Christie just wanted to be given a fair shake.
And Fry.
He's a large man.
Wow.
You guys, you know, Chris Christie's national political career is, it's over.
So now he'll have to focus on being a criminally corrupt tub of shit at the local level.
He has got to sit on the board of Hardees.
That's the only way that the universe has symmetry.
You know, as president, Donald Trump said he's going to stop retweeting white supremacists.
Instead, he's just going to verbally tell us what they directly tell him in cabinet meetings.
Hey, did you hear those guys that Gloria Steinem said?
You know, did you hear what Gloria Steinem said girls are only going for Bernie because boys are for Bernie?
Oh, sure.
Sure.
Those guys that Gloria Steinem says girls only go to Bernie rallies for are nice, but I heard the average amount they spend on a date is only $27.
I don't get that.
That's the average donation to Bernie's.
Oh, okay.
He repeats it all the time.
Oh, sure.
27 goats.
Millionaires and billionaires.
Democracy is not for sale.
What's coming up on today's show?
Jeb has another awkward moment at a rotary meeting.
Are Rotarians even still a thing?
Rotarians are still a thing.
I do private shows for them sometimes.
And we're going to take a look at what Hillary's problem is in the big race.
Also, we got phone calls from Chris Christie today.
Jeb Bush calls in.
Ron Paul calls in.
Let's see what else we're going to be talking about today.
Oh, Chris Matthews.
He has a softball interview with Hillary Clinton that trashes Bernie Sanders.
And the reason he does that just may surprise you, or will it?
Plus, Hillary Clinton's problem with Wall Street.
And Howard Dean gets taught a lesson about Hillary's campaign cash on Morning Joe.
All that.
Plus, we have mind readers who now work for MSNBC and a lot lot more.
That's today on the Jimmy Door show.
Hey, so Donald Trump was chosen by the New Hampshire geniuses as the let's remember.
Let's remember that Bernie Sanders got twice as many votes as Donald Trump and Kasich combined.
Wow.
So the people of New Hampshire, the majority of them, not knuckleheads.
How about that?
The majority of them are on board doing the right thing.
Here's Donald Trump getting his acceptance speech.
Or Dad's acceptance speech already, whatever, his victory speech in New Hampshire.
And let's listen to a little.
We are going to make America great again, but we're going to do it the old-fashioned way.
Slavery?
That's what I thought.
That's what I was afraid of.
Really?
Let's see what he says.
I don't know.
Going to beat China, Japan.
We're going to beat Mexico at trade.
We're going to beat all of these countries.
And then we're going to take their lunch money, and then we're going to screw their girlfriends.
Who's with me?
Who talks like that?
We're going to bait Japan.
We're going to bait China.
This is fantastic.
This is the guy With no plans.
But that's what this is.
This is a guy with absolutely no plans, no platform.
My platform is screw immigrants and Muslims and then beat up on other countries and bam.
I'm going to call Carl Icon and then we'll do everything.
By the way, we are beating Japan just fine.
And not for nothing, but China might not be the person you want to alienate right now, given the fact that they are our leverage against North Korea.
We kind of need to be on good terms with that.
And we still have an economy twice the size of China's.
And by the way, they hold a lot of our debt.
Sure.
And by the way, their stock market just crashed.
So we're there.
What are the chances that Donald Trump is oversimplifying the situation?
And by the way, the other thing he's not telling you is, you know how you beat China and Mexico at trade?
By slavery, by bringing back slavery to this country.
That's the only way you do it.
Here we go.
Taking so much of our money away from us on a daily basis.
It's not going to happen anymore.
It's other countries.
It's not our own plutocracy here in America, the rigged economic system.
It's other countries are being mean to us.
It's Mexicans, it's Muslims, it's these Asians, Japanese, Chinese.
You know, they all look a little off.
That's what he's saying.
It's not about our system.
It's not how we're being screwed by our own politicians and our own corporations that are in bed together.
It's not that.
It's not that we live in a fascist state right now.
No, no.
It's other countries.
And it's not companies that make all their money here, but file their taxes overseas.
Right.
Right.
And by the way, he's also not mentioning that, you know, globalization, the thing that takes that money out is what has made us incredibly rich.
Like globalization has led incredible wealth in the country.
It's made wealth for the owners.
Yes.
For the owner class, not the workers.
But for him to say, like, our GDP is going down because the money is going out to these countries.
No, that is the biggest sack of horseshit I've ever heard.
It doesn't happen anymore.
We have the greatest business people right now in the world.
They call me all the time.
They want to be involved.
We have political hacks negotiating our deals for billions and billions and billions of dollars.
Not going to happen anymore.
We're going to use the finest business people in the world.
We are going to do something so good and so fast and so strong, and the world is going to respect us again.
So we're going to do something.
Listen, that's his plan.
We're going to do something so good and so fast and so strong.
What is it?
I don't know.
Something though.
And it's going to be good, fast, and strong and punching people, the freaking Mexicans.
He's got my thumb.
What's amusing me is that Donald Trump in all his recent speeches has been referring to the president of Mexico as Calderon, who was the previous president.
He doesn't even know who the president of Mexico is, and he wants that guy to pay for a wall.
This is how...
Ha!
It's a good thing he tells me he's smart.
I wouldn't believe it.
Believe me.
He's going to do something good, strong.
We're going to win.
That's it.
That's his plan.
We're going to do something so good and so strong and so fast that people are going to respect us again.
I cannot believe this, man.
I don't.
I want him to get the nomination.
I want to see this guy in a debate in which someone asks him, so you're going to get the best businessman.
Who?
He said, Carl Icon.
They call him.
They're calling him all the time.
Many, many of the top people.
That's what he says.
That's what he says.
But it's all about the negotiation.
It's not about ideas or ways to increase our GDP or how to bring wealth to America or to the working man or how to raise.
No ideas.
None.
Nothing.
My favorite thing is that he was asked, he basically said, like, I'm going to repeal Obamacare.
And someone asked him, well, what would you replace it with?
And he said, something really good.
Something really good.
That's it.
That's all he said.
I do know that he's a friend to women, he says.
He says.
He says, I love women.
I'm going to be good to women.
He's going to win with women.
He's going to not hit them is what he's saying.
And he's going to do something so good and so fast and so premature.
So let me just say Bernie Sanders won in Iowa as far as I'm concerned, even though they say he didn't.
The toy costs bullshit.
In New Hampshire, Bernie Sanders did win overwhelmingly, right?
Almost 60%.
So he won by Hillary Clinton and every major demographic group in the primary.
He carried majorities of both men and women.
He won among those with and without college degrees.
He won among gun owners and non-gun owners.
He beat Mrs. Clinton among previous primary voters and those participating for the first time.
So people who had already participated in the process and new people who came in this time both favored Bernie.
And he ran.
And Bernie got more votes than Donald Trump and Kasich combined.
Oh.
Oh, I did not know that.
Yes, indeed.
That's another great, that's another great point.
He got more votes than Kasich and Trump combined.
And he ran ahead of Hillary Clinton among both moderates and liberals.
So there you go.
The thing the media was saying is that, oh, my God, this guy's such a socialist and the people don't want a revolution.
What do you talk?
Revolution?
Well, Vox did a survey, and it turns out, according to Vox, 54% of the people they asked are Americans.
In the next decade, a political revolution might be necessary to redistribute money from the wealthiest Americans to the middle class.
That was the question.
54% of the overall people said yes, they agreed with that.
That in the next decade, a political revolution might be necessary to redistribute money from the wealthiest Americans to the middle class.
54% of Americans, Vox polled, agreed with that.
Isn't that something?
Strongly, they strongly or somewhat agree.
Of the independents, 51% of the independents strongly or somewhat agree.
Only 27% strongly or somewhat disagree.
So do you see what I'm saying?
There's less people disagreeing, way more people strongly agreeing.
Of the people who didn't vote in 2012, 58% strongly agree with that statement.
Tea Party supporters, 55%, 55% Of Tea Party supporters agree with the statement in the next decade, a political revolution might be necessary to redistribute money from the wealthiest Americans.
That's how bad things are.
Tea Party people are now down with redistribution because they see the grotesque amounts of wealth in this country and they see how we keep being more productive as workers and they keep seeing how the system is rigged.
And no matter how fast we run on this treadmill, we ain't getting ahead.
But guess who is?
The people who own Walmart.
They're getting ahead.
So there's a little bit more of that.
And senior citizens not up for a revolution.
Go figure.
They got their medical care taken care of.
They got their retirement taken care of.
And they're old and they don't want a revolution.
So that's the only group of people, according to the Vox survey, who were not on board with a political revolution to redistribute money from the wealthiest Americans to the middle class.
Only already who are direct beneficiaries of wealth redistribution, which is kind of ironic.
So yes, we're going to have a revolution.
People are ready for, they were ready for a revolution when Barack Obama took the reins.
They thought he was a revolutionary, and it turns out he wasn't at all.
And since they called him all those things, they called him a socialist.
They called him a communist.
They said he was redistributing.
And since they look around, those labels don't scare anybody anymore.
The old people who are against the revolution already had their revolution.
They already had their revolution.
It was called the New Deal.
Exactly.
And then they had Medicare.
Yes, Gray.
That's a great point.
And just like FDR, Bernie is offering the wealthy classes an easy way out.
Or do they want to see a French-style revolution and they have to all move to Dubai and enjoy the risks there?
This may be the easy way out that Bernie is presenting.
By the way, I think that the seniors' stat is probably misleading because you can't get a good cross-section of seniors because they stay on the phone so long.
They just want to talk.
And they still have all them.
You call them to ask them these questions and they're like, well, can we talk for a little while?
And then they're like, well, my phone's clicking again.
Yeah, that's called waiting.
What is that?
Yeah, they still don't get that.
Call waiting.
Hello, this is Jimmy.
Jimmy, it's your gynecologist.
What, Congressman Paul?
It's time for your annual pap smear.
Congressman, what?
What?
That's just a little joke I like.
But you know, women should get annual pap smears and whatnot.
Okay.
Okay, Congressman.
We'll take that under advisement.
Listen, to what do I owe the pleasure today of you calling the Jimmy Door show?
Why are you calling in today?
Well, I'm calling to let you know that little Rand is no longer running for president.
Yeah, I do know that he dropped out of the race, I don't know, over a week ago now, right?
So it's been over a week since.
Yeah, I know, but he was like, Papa, can you call everyone and tell them I don't want to do this anymore?
Because I just can't.
Because I got the SADS because you've got the SADS.
Okay, listen, the SADS, he said the SADS.
He said that?
So I'm calling everyone to let them know he's a quitter.
You're calling everyone?
How is that even possible that you're going to call everyone to tell them?
Well, I'm not calling everyone, just a sampling, and I figure those people will spread the word.
Congressman Paul, it was on the news.
You don't have to call people.
People know that this.
Well, okay, then I'll stop.
But just to be on the safe side, can you make sure you mention it in conversation for the next few weeks?
You can phrase it however you want.
Like, you know, you could say, wow, did you hear that dumb fuck Rand Paul dropped out of the race?
Oh, jeez.
Dr. Paul, I'll be sure to do that.
Listen, since we've got you on the phone, what do you think?
What are your thoughts about this primary season so far?
Can I get your thoughts on that?
Oh, I like Trump.
What?
Really?
I wouldn't have expected that at all that you'd like Trump.
Really?
Oh, sure.
I mean, he'll destroy the federal government like any split.
Oh, okay.
I see.
I got you.
I got you.
He won't mean to.
If you hate government regulation as much as I do, well, trust me, there won't be a lot of regulation in the post-apocalyptic hellscape Donald Trump will create, likely within a few weeks of taking office.
Okay.
And then, of course, we can finally begin the planet of the apes.
Ha ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha!
Okay.
But do you think Donald Trump is electable in the general election?
That's my question.
I mean, for one thing, you know, he's a huge racist, right?
Well, first of all, there's nothing wrong with being a racist.
I mean, I'm a racist and I turned out just fine, right?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, well, obviously, we don't think so.
We don't think you turned out just fine.
And besides, we have a long, rich tradition of racism in this country.
Just like the other day was one of our secret racist holidays.
A secret racist holiday, Dr. Paul?
I didn't hear about it.
What was that?
What was the secret racist holiday?
Oh, the first Friday of February is Darkie Day.
Wow.
I hate to ask, but what exactly happens on that day?
Oh, a bunch of us get together for a big meal.
It's like a seder, but obviously without all the juice.
Sure.
Seder without the juice.
And yeah, yeah.
We mostly just sit around eating butterscotch pudding and saying the anword.
That sounds terrible, Dr. Paul.
That sounds horrible.
Guys, I don't think Donald Trump really is a racist.
Really?
You don't?
I mean, he said some pretty racist stuff, don't you think?
Well, sure, but that's more because he's a narcissistic child man.
How so?
What do you mean?
Well, if you ask him about the Mexican immigration problem, he's going to say, oh, it's a huge problem, and we should stop those filthy Mexicans.
But if you ask him, say, how can we get more of those wonderful Mexicans into our country?
He'd be like, I've got a plan to kidnap Mexicans and bring them to America because they're awesome.
Okay.
You know, I think you might be right about that.
Sure, I am.
It's called a cocktail personality.
One of his symptoms, or as he calls them, leadership characteristics.
Okay.
But again, you think he can win in the general?
Probably not.
I mean, at the end of the day, there are an awful lot of people who don't want to bring about the planet of the apes the way you and I do.
Okay.
Okay.
Are there any Republicans in the field that you see winning in the general election?
They all seem like asshats to me.
Maybe Ted Cruz, but that's only because he's the only one with any message discipline.
I mean, if anyone knew all the crazy thoughts that guy's keeping to himself, he'd be locked up for sure.
But really, you could just take his campaign just by asking him about the lizard people conspiracy.
At that point, I don't think he could resist putting on his forehead and whipping out a dick.
But you know, Jimmy, all this is pretty much academic.
I say just vote for Coco the Gorilla.
Really, she's the only one that can prepare us for our future ape overlords.
Okay, well, this is Dr. Paul.
Listen, I got to go.
Well, you got to go do something?
Is it something exciting that you're going to go do there?
No, no, I just got to go.
Oh, mysterious.
Okay.
Listen, you take, you take care, Dr. Paul, okay?
Well, okay, mystery man, with your secrets.
They're not secrets.
Okay.
And don't forget Coco 2016.
Okay, Dr. Paul.
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Welcome back to the second half of the Jimmy Door show.
We got a phone call from Chris Christie coming up later on.
But right now, we're going to talk about the corrosive and corrupting power of money, not only in politics, but also in corporate news journalism featuring Chris Matthews.
Let's get back to the studio.
Let's get back to the studio.
So Chris Matthews, if you followed this show, you know that he's an establishment journalist, that he doesn't ever go against the status quo.
Whichever way the wind is blowing, that's where he's going.
He was for the Iraq war when it was popular.
He's against it when it was unpopular.
Same thing with the Clintons.
He was against the Clintons when it was popular for him when he's up.
So now he gave an interview to Hillary Clinton last week that was so egregiously anti-Bernie Sanders and so butt-kissing of Hillary Clinton that Esquire Magazine called him out for it.
And so here's some of it.
Here's some of that interview and let's see what you guys think.
Only opponent now, it's really a battle since Martin O'Malley, Governor Maui, has withdrawn.
It's a two-person race.
The only person, and I'm going to say this bluntly, the only person between a confirmed socialist who's calling for political revolution in this country, winning the nomination of the Democratic Party, which has always been more moderate than that, is you.
So when you saw that rally last night, the young people all around Senator Sanders, when he yelled revolution out there and they all applauded like mad, do you think that's something that is going to help in the general election?
Or are we looking at, we used to call in the 60s an NDC campaign.
November doesn't count.
We just want to win the party.
We don't care about the general.
You seem to be focused on the general.
How do you beat a person who's coming along in the primaries, however, who's saying, I'm going to give you all the things you want, free tuition, more social security benefits without an increase in your taxes, health care from birth to death, all the government paid.
How do you compete with a revolution, a revolution of promises, really?
Wow.
That was considered a question by a journalist.
That was considered a question.
That would be considered a political speech anywhere in the world.
And by the way, I almost thought he was going to end it by going, I'm just asking questions.
I'm just asking.
Yeah, I'm out.
I'm out of town.
I'm out of time.
Thanks for being here.
That's what I thought he was going to say.
I'm out of time.
Thanks for being here.
I mean, he's just, or what if Battle Him and the Republic just started playing in the background like that?
So instead of holding her feet to the fire about the stuff she's doing in the campaign, he's just sitting there beating up on.
Now, this is right before New Hampshire.
So this is after the Iowa win.
And so he's doing that thing again of the old person.
I'm afraid, I'm afraid I'm afraid of Bernie Sanders.
I'm afraid of revolution.
Oh my God, he's going to, he sounds like, this sounds like Fox News.
He's going to give you all the free stuff.
How are you going to pay for it?
Like, he never heard of the New Deal before.
Like, he doesn't know how any of this works.
So here he goes on more.
I think you're offering a lesson in civics, and I wonder if we can do that in a couple of weeks.
Now, look, the history of the Democratic Party, your party, not Bernie Sanders, he's not a Democratic Party member.
Your party has produced the New Deal.
It produced the progressive income tax came for the Democrats from Wilson.
Social Security, the greatest anti-poverty program ever came from Roosevelt.
And Harry Truman started to fight for health care and civil rights and all these good things that led to the Affordable Care Act.
But in every case, you had a battle, Republicans who voted against it to the last person.
And it's always been a tough fight.
So he's trying to say, but even when we got these great things, every Republican voted against it.
And we had to fight, fight, fight.
It was always going to be a big fight.
So he's implying that these guys are with Bernie Sanders.
What Bernie Sanders is saying is crazy because you're going to have to fight for it.
But he's using an example of when we had to fight for something.
That's again, that's the, you're using the example of FDR and all the things we had to fight for as an example of why we shouldn't fight anymore for things.
That doesn't make sense.
Again, I'm telling you, their arguments don't make sense against Bernie Sanders.
On their face, they don't make sense.
Well, what Frank was saying last week on the show didn't make any sense.
He's saying that Hillary Clinton can't be, again, this is a bad argument.
This is a horrible argument.
David Matthews was making the slur that Bernie Sanders hasn't always been a Democrat.
Well, neither has Hillary Clinton.
Yes, this is correct.
So do you have something to say?
Let me play.
That was really his crucial thing.
He's like, well, he's not a Democrat because he's an independent.
And then saying, look at all the great things Democrats have done.
And it's like, yet, Hillary Clinton wouldn't do those.
Yes.
Bill Clinton certainly didn't do those things.
He didn't create great society.
He didn't create great social programs.
He didn't even champion them.
As a matter of fact, he went the other way.
He championed welfare reform, which was a horrific, horrific thing for the working.
He was no friend.
He was no friend of the working men.
Hillary sat on the Walmart board.
Let's remember that.
She was on the board of directors for Walmart.
Okay.
So here we go.
You had something to say, Mark?
Well, just about after Goldwater, there was the Democratic Leadership Committee that was put together to prevent, to push the party to the right and also to court big money interests of the Democratic Party.
And the chairman of that committee was Bill Clinton.
Okay, so let's keep going.
Republicans who voted against it to the last person, and it's always been a tough fight.
And you need 60 votes in the Senate.
You need 218 in the House.
You need these.
And if you don't have them, nothing gets done.
Then the Berning people need to be taught.
Not him.
He won't be taught.
Can the kids behind him need to be?
It's that thing again of the kids.
They don't know how you can't get things.
Look how hard it was for us to get things.
So that, again, can someone explain to me how he thinks this is a real argument?
Hey, when we got these things done before, Republicans fought against them.
And we still got them.
And now they're going to fight against them again.
So now we shouldn't fight against them.
That doesn't make sense, right?
That's not logical.
It's not consistent.
It makes perfect sense.
It makes perfect sense because Bernie Sanders will have to fight the Republicans in Congress.
That's the reason why you shouldn't vote for him.
It makes perfect sense.
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
It's the same argument as people saying, like, oh, you know, he's got too much baggage.
So does Hillary Clinton, like?
These arguments, this argument right here, Robert, is the worst argument I've ever heard.
Hey, these kids don't know how things work.
You know, we got stuff done.
But it was hard.
Do these kids know how hard it's going to be?
What the?
Like, it's always been hard.
Are these kids enrolled in civics?
Do they understand process?
And how condescending was that to Bernie Sanders, a guy who's been in political life for 30 years?
On the right side.
Who's been called the Amendment King.
Chris Matthews is going to give him a lesson.
The guy who might be our next president.
Chris Matthews is going to give him a little lesson in how things work.
Well, guess who's been giving you a lesson in how things work?
Bernie Sanders and the American people.
They're sick and tired of corporate news.
They're sick and tired of corporate politicians.
And they're sick and tired of one big rib-rigged society.
And you're a big part of it, Chris Matthews.
And this is a big part of it.
And people see right through you.
Hang on.
This is how it works in our system.
You can call for a revolution, but it ain't going to happen.
There ain't going to be a revolution.
There's going to be an election, an inauguration.
And then there's going to be a Congress sitting with you.
You've got to do business with.
No matter who gets elected.
Oh, there's not going to be a revolution?
I don't understand.
I still don't understand that bad point.
You're not going to get things done.
So why even try?
This is the, yes, we can't.
That's what this is.
Yes, we can't get things done.
That's what this is.
This is amazing.
And so people were pointing this out that Chris, so even if Chris feels this way, that's one thing if you feel that way.
When you have Hillary Clinton on your program, you should hold her feet to the fire on a few things.
Right.
But what he's doing, it's okay if you feel that way.
You know, you've got to go after her a little.
You've got to do something.
You've got to say something.
Nothing.
Nothing.
But how about, you know, wasn't it something that Bernie Sanders was down 41 points in May, and he came back to tie you in this state?
And now he's going to kick your ass in New Hampshire coming up?
And what do you have to say about that?
Why don't you resonate with people?
No, that's not.
So why is Chris Matthews saying all this?
Why would he do such an egregious job?
Here he is on the Tom Hartman show, and Tom Hartman asks him the same questions like, hey, you're coming down a little hard on socialism.
And let's listen to this.
You have been pretty outspoken in using the word socialism around Bernie.
I'm curious.
Oh, it's his word, not mine.
I understand.
Democratic socialism specifically.
No, socialism is what he's always believed in.
That's fine.
I'm curious what specific socialist policies that he advocates.
Here's what, let's run through.
It's not about me opposing.
Or that you are concerned about.
It's not even concerned.
It should be known by the voter.
He said we will have government paid tuition, interstate and universities and colleges paid for by the government.
We had that when you and I were kids, Chris.
Yes, we did.
So Chris Matthews freaked out.
Bernie Sanders is going to give everybody public colleges.
And Tom Hartman correctly makes the point.
Yeah, like what we had when we were kids, Chris.
Remember we had free public universities until, I don't know, when Ronald Reagan turned that stuff around in the 70s.
Do you remember that?
Yes, I do.
And let's watch how Chris Matthews responds to that point being made.
Listen, I don't want to argue.
Why not?
I don't want to argue.
And Tom Hartman goes, why not?
What do you mean you don't want to argue?
I don't get to bring up points that correct the record on my own show because you don't want to argue?
What does that sound like?
That sounds like a guy who thinks he's bigger than Tom Hartman.
I don't have to play your game.
Hey, look, I'm going to tell you.
You're lucky I'm even making time for you.
That's exactly what this is.
Here we go.
Because I'm going to tell you what else.
I like how Chris is saying that Bernie Sanders wants free college for everybody as if that's some secret, as if he doesn't say that in every speech.
Right.
I agree with you.
And he's saying that it's like it's a bad thing, by the way, too.
Chris Matthews is saying it's like some crazy, crazy thing.
Health care for life.
Government paid.
Right.
Huge new benefits in Social Security, government paid.
If that's not socialism, I don't know what it is.
No, Social Security is definitely socialism.
I don't.
We have nothing to argue about.
It's socialism.
Yeah.
If that's what he wants to sell, we'll see if it works.
Well, you know, it worked for FDR, didn't it?
FDR was very concerned about building Social Security as a, first of all, it did not come out of general revenue.
Number two, it was dedicated from payroll taxes so that people, when they retired, had basically paid into the system.
It was a sense of self-reliance that he thought was very important.
He also thought it was very important to not be means tested.
So Roosevelt was very much a more, much more, a very, he was a liberal.
I don't think he was a socialist.
Interesting.
So, so this is Chris Matthews trying to say that Social Security, not, not really socialism, Medicare, not really socialism.
Because, because the way it was set up, you pay into it.
You mean the government mandates, they take money out of your check.
You don't get to decide where it goes.
They take it.
They put it in a thing for you.
They give it back to you.
That's socialism.
You know that big FDR program, Liberal Security?
And you see how he repeats the phrase, government paid.
And he says it, government paid, government paid.
As if government spending is bad.
Does he, does he rail against death penalty?
Government paid.
Military spending?
Government paid.
Does he do bullshit?
Like, it's, why is, why is spending money on things that help people?
Again.
Such a bad idea.
Yeah, it's like, oh, we're going to spend money that actually, helps our country.
Which is an investment.
College education for people who want to go.
That's an investment.
That's not a cost to your country.
That's an investment.
You're going to get that back.
That's not, okay.
So here we go.
So you don't think of Social Security as a socialist program?
No, it's a program, but it's not a whole socialist philosophy.
Bernie is basically covers the waterfront and what he thinks the government should be doing.
Well, he doesn't think the government should be involved in the means of production and supply.
I mean, that's, it's not Marxism.
That hasn't come up yet.
Oh, that's some good journalism right there.
come up yet and you know he hasn't if if he was going to talk about taking over the utilities he would have done it by now so chris so so people are calling chris matthews out like why is he going so crazy why is he off the rails like this like Like, that's quite rabid.
Anti-first, I mean, it's like the stuff that the party has always stood for.
He's against the crazy and things we used to have, like free college education, free education in America.
So, people feel, we figured out what his Daily Caller did a little investigation, and it turns out, you know, his wife is running for Congress in Maryland, Chris Matthews' wife, Kathleen Matthews.
And she used to work for Marriott.
They did a lot of work with the Clinton Foundation and what have you.
Let's just forget about that.
They got the same donors.
Hillary Clinton's donors and Kathleen Matthews' donors are the same donors.
They're the same people.
In fact, some of those donors have been the donors for the Clintons their whole life.
So by the end of 2015, Kathleen Matthews had raised $1.5 million.
Only one of her eight primary opponents has raised more than $1 million by year's end.
So she's got the money wrapped up.
So this is why money in politics bad because it not only corrupts politicians, it now also corrupts newsmen.
So now if he wasn't corrupt enough, Chris Matthews, because all his money comes from corporations, corporations give him all the money.
They give all the money to produce his show.
It gets distributed through corporations over to corporations' distribution streams.
Everything's a corporation and they're not supposed to influence the news.
Okay.
Okay.
And now it's not only being influenced that way, it's an innovative because his wife is now in politics and she's getting money from those same donors that the Clintons get.
And so that's starting to explain why he's going so easy on the Clintons.
And his wife was in business with the Clintons through the Marriott Corporation and the Clinton Foundation.
So that's what I guarantee that the Clintons introduced her to those donors.
I'll guarantee you.
And people are sick of it.
People are sick of this kind of politician being bought.
People are sick of this kind of corporate politician.
It's transparent.
Here we have a real journalist calling out a BS journalist right on the air.
And you see how defensive he got about it?
I'm not going to argue.
Oh, you mean like if I correct you, you're not going to acknowledge it?
That's the corrosive, corrupting influence of money, not only in politics, but in journalism, in corporate-bought journalism.
It exposes a corporate Democratic Party that caters to big money.
And both Clinton and Chris Matthews are the beneficiaries of a political system that serves money.
Don't forget the Clintons are worth over $100 million.
And when Bernie Sanders says the wealthy have to pay their fair share, he's talking about Chris Matthews as well.
And he knows that.
And so we, so what this talks about is the corrupting influence of the donors.
We've said it on this show that politicians are no longer responsive to the voters, they're only responsive to the donors.
And this goes to show also the corporate news journalists only responsive to the donors.
Now, here would be the biggest difference between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton and their campaigns.
Here she is after the New Hampshire law.
She talks about she's starting to co-opt all of Bernie's issues, right?
So now all of a sudden she wants to get universal health care, all this, but she has a different way to get there, all this stuff.
And now she wants to get money out of politics.
Now she wants to help make college affordable.
Now she wants to break up the big money.
Here's what she says about Wall Street and money in politics.
I will work harder than anyone to actually make the changes that make your lives better.
In this campaign, you've heard a lot about Washington and about Wall Street.
Now, Senator Sanders and I both want to get secret, unaccountable money out of politics.
And let's remember, let's remember, Citizens United, one of the worst Supreme Court decisions in our country's history was actually a case about a right-wing attack on me and my campaign.
A right-wing organization took aim at me and ended up damaging our entire democracy.
So yes, you're not going to find anybody more committed to aggressive campaign finance reform than me.
Okay, now there's a couple of key words there.
So it sounds like she's now co-opting Bernie Sanders' message of campaign finance reform.
But if you listen even closer, she's not.
What she said was, I think we're both here.
Let's play.
We'll play one more time and I'll start.
I will work harder.
She will work harder.
Now listen, here it comes.
...to actually make the changes that make your lives better.
In this campaign, you've heard a lot.
About Washington and about Wall Street.
Now, Senator Sanders and I both want to get secret, unaccountable money out of politics.
So she said we both want to get secret, unaccountable money out of politics.
And she goes on to tell the story about Citizens United, how it came about because of a thing involving her.
Yes, Bernie Sanders also wants to get unaccounted money.
He wants to overturn Citizens United just like you do, but he also wants to get rid of accounted for money.
She's super cool with the, oh, the way they've been giving us money before Citizens United.
Totally cool.
Everything's cool.
You know, all the money I took from Wall Street and all the money I take from Walmart and all the money.
Oh, that's all the money I get for speeches.
That's all totally cool.
She's totally cool with that.
Bernie Sanders is not.
You don't hear her calling for public financing of campaigns.
She's not calling for that.
She still wants all her donors to have all the influence they possibly can have because those are the same people she raises money for the Clinton Foundation for.
Those are the same people she hobnobs with all the time.
That's the world she's in now.
So those are the people she serves.
Those are her donors.
So she's talking about taking us back to before his Citizens United, which I don't know if anybody remembers this, but before Citizens United, we had already had the McCain Feingold Bill, and it sucked.
And it wasn't, it had all kinds of unintended consequences that made things worse instead of better.
So unaccount.
She only wants, let's keep in mind, she only wants to get rid of unaccounted for money, meaning the dark money you can't trace.
But if you can trace it, that's okay.
Give me all the money you want, no problem.
Here's what she said about the effects of money in politics, because she likes to say that you can take money and it won't affect you, just like President Obama took money from Wall Street and he regulated them.
According to her, here's what she said before.
I think it's important to point out that there are a lot of reasons we have the health care system we have today.
I know how much money influences the political decision making.
That's why I'm for huge campaign finance reform.
However.
However, I'm not for the kind of campaign finance reform that will really make a difference.
I'm for the kind of campaign finance reform that's kind of on the surface and still leaves the core of our campaign finance system completely corrupt.
Say, do you think Hillary losing in New Hampshire will affect her Wall Street speaking fees?
Well, I think I hear she is fighting to raise the speaking fees of all Americans.
She fights for a living speaking fee.
That's how she's so progressive.
Yeah.
She's fighting for the speaking fees of all Americans.
Completely, completely.
And what she wants to do is eliminate the appearance of influence so they don't have to answer these questions.
Bernie actually wants to eliminate influence.
That's a huge distinction.
Huge.
But it's an interesting tactic she's taking.
She wants to take credit for that.
All the ridiculous attacks against her has inspired horrible legislation like Citizens Unite.
She's somehow taking credit for that.
Yes.
Isn't that funny?
All I know is there's a special place in hell for me.
Yes.
Yes.
So now here she was.
Here's the big problem, right?
So when people like Chris Matthews look down their nose at people like Bernie Sanders and his supporters, and people like Frank dismiss us as we're pie in the sky.
We're not in reality.
Here's Rachel Maddow, and she's going to point out the problem.
By the way, all those people in New Hampshire who voted for Bernie, those were blue-collar, those were working class, those were rich people.
She won with Bernie won with everybody in New Hampshire except for senior citizens and people making over $200,000 a year.
So all those other people are just crazy and pie in the sky and want something for nothing.
Or are they real people who want a real revolution in this country?
And they know that we deserve it and we can have one.
Okay.
So here is what's really wrong with the politics of the Democratic Party and why Hillary's losing.
Here's Rachel Maddow.
And there is a big revolving door in the tech industry and the highest flyers in the Democratic Party, David Pluff to Uber, Jay Carney to Amazon, Chris Lahane to Airbnb.
You have speaking fees from companies like eBay and Qualcomm and Salesforce.com.
And I'm not saying any of those companies is a bad thing, but the tech industry rivals Wall Street in terms of money and influence.
What is the protection that the American people have that those industries aren't just going to keep getting what they want, even when it hurts the rest of us, especially if the Democrats are so in bed with them?
So that's the problem.
And that's what people feel like.
We have nowhere to go now.
The Democratic Party used to be where we went when we were upset with the control of corporations over our lives and our economy and our country.
But now the Democrats got in bed with them because of her and her husband.
And this is Rachel Maddow saying right to her, what are the assurances that when the Democrats are in bed with these people, that the legislation that gets passed is going to be in our interest and not in their interest?
Because we all know it's been in their interest for the last 30 years, which is why we have the biggest income disparity since the Gilded Age.
Why we have the booming economy and people are still struggling.
Why we have college debt that is unheard of.
Why people still go bankrupt when they get sick because the economy is rigged.
And she's saying that because the Democrats are in bed with not only Wall Street, like Bernie's been saying, but also all corporations.
She's just mentioning the tech industry.
That's her.
And let's hear what Hillary has to say about it.
But anybody who thinks that they can influence what I will do doesn't know me very well.
And they can actually look and see what I have said and done throughout my career.
Take one.
Okay.
So let's go ahead and do that.
Let's go ahead.
And she said that anybody who knows her knows that she's not easily influenced.
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