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The Jimmy Dore Show.
A couple weeks ago, Dr. Ben Carson said he was sure homosexuality is a choice because men would become gay in prison.
As Mrs. Carson surely will attest, this is because Dr. Carson fails to grasp the difference between love and rape.
Bang.
If you don't know Ben Carson, he's an African-American pediatric neurosurgeon who can operate on a child's brain while firmly believing gay marriage causes earthquakes.
And I don't know, flat tack, some shit like that.
Anyway, he's likely going to run for president and believes he should for the same reason he thinks prison is the new bastion of personal choice.
How do I know homosexuality isn't a choice?
Because there are gays in Kansas.
Boom!
On the flip side, I live in Los Angeles and I'm Asian.
If I could choose to be gay, I would be swimming in manpoon and happy as a clam.
Homosexuality being a choice has been a conservative bullshit point since forever, largely championed by high-profile closet cases who are choosing to pretend they don't crave cock with every fiber of their being.
However, there's always been a much subtler and troubling reason for this position.
That is, if homosexuality is not a choice, then homosexuals will be a likely, if not necessary, protected legal class.
And then the manager at Cracker Barrel wouldn't be able to fire servers that aren't as into football as he'd like.
People were all up in arms about the Indiana discrimination law without ever acknowledging that it isn't even close to the shittiest thing about Indiana.
Meanwhile, it's still legal in 29 states to fire someone just for being gay.
Being a protected class would nullify this, along with the right to discriminate laws, the latest of which, by the way, was passed in Michigan.
Because it's not like that state doesn't have any other problems to deal with.
Like, say, all of fucking Detroit.
All right.
All right.
It's the Jimmy Dore Show.
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The kind of people that are...
It's the show that makes Anderson Cooper save.
It's Roger Talking, T-Bag.
And now, here's a guy who sounds a lot like me.
It's Jimmy Dore!
Hi, everybody.
Welcome to this week's show.
I'm joined from New York and from Mystery Science Theater 3000.
It's TV's Frank Frank Connoff is with us.
Hi, Frank.
Hello there.
Yay, good to hear your voice.
In the studio with me, hilarious comedian and host of the very popular podcast, Learning Not to Swear with Ted Lyde.
It's Ted Lied.
Hi, Ted.
How are you?
I'm fucking great, baby.
All right.
Ah, he's already swearing.
Also with us, our resident Latina, the host of the Miserable Liberal blog and Commune Everything Else.
It's Steph Zamarano.
Hi, Steph.
I'll let you know.
And it's running the show for us today.
It's Michael Elliott Spitzer Schirtzer's with us.
Hi, Michael.
Hey, Jimmy, what's up?
Hey, let's get to the jokes before we get to the jokes.
I don't know if you guys have seen that new Daredevil movie.
Well, the new Daredevil is better than the Ben Affleck Daredevil, but, you know, so is everything that ever existed in all recorded time.
Hey, have you heard about it?
I don't want to sound like a snob, but I think the original graphic novels were much, much better than the Avengers Dr. Pepper cans.
So I don't know if you guys, you've been watching the coverage of Baltimore.
A small minority of looters combined with a large majority of shitty journalists have distorted the Baltimore uprising.
Bam.
Hey, senseless violence has no place on our streets.
It belongs in the privacy of squad cars and police interrogation rooms.
Am I right?
Yes.
And they asked, where are the parents?
And I said, yes, where are the parents of these cops when they're snapping people's spines?
Where were their parents?
They did suspend the Baltimore Orioles baseball game and they played it in front of no fans because they were afraid if the Baltimore I had a big win, then all the white people would start riding.
It's a legitimate fear.
Hey, did you hear over the weekend Ted Cruz warned us against liberal fascism?
He did that at a huge rally in Nuremberg, Iowa.
You know, attacking liberal fascism, risky strategy, but Ted Cruz thinks it will help his bid to be elected chancellor.
Did you hear George W. Bush broke his silence finally and criticized Barack Obama's foreign policy as not being muscular enough?
And he says being too soft on Iran.
You know, that's the thing about George W. Bush.
He can't understand why Obama would make peace with the right country when he could wage war with the wrong one.
Hey, did you had the White House correspondence dinner this week?
Did you see any of the clips of that?
It's so inspiring, so inspiring, Frank, to see journalists at the White House correspondence dinner speaking food to power.
You know, the White House Correspondence Dinner is a yearly televised explanation for why the Daily Show is the more trusted news source than the mainstream news media.
Amen.
And journalists at the White House Correspondence Dinner are reveling in pointless superficial frivolity, and I thought it was supposed to be their night off.
That is a good burn.
That is a good bird.
Yeah, I like that they all get together and joke around, you know, the press corps and the...
I don't recall.
Me neither.
Me neither.
Hey, did you hear Ted Loretta Lynch got confirmed finally as the Attorney General and Ted Cruz, who opposed Loretta Loretta Lynch from day one, didn't even bother to vote against her.
Yeah, he's worse than an a-hole.
He's a half-assed hole.
Wouldn't even show up to vote against her.
Ted, do you understand what I'm saying?
I'm laughing, apparently.
Did you know that bigotry, bigotry, misogyny, discriminatory have all been streamlined into one all-encompassing phrase, religious liberty?
Hey, Star Wars 7.
Star Wars 7 ends inconclusively.
Disney may try to entice you to see more sequels.
What's coming up on today's show?
We're going to take a look at the media coverage in Baltimore and the history of awkwardly mobile blacks in America and how they were undermined by rioting whites.
Yes, lots of stories.
Plus, if we have time, David Petraeus commits a horrible crime worse than Edward Snowden, and he's going to be on a college speaking tour.
What else?
Plus, we got phone calls today.
Barack Obama.
Barack Obama calls.
Bill O'Reilly.
And Mike from St. Louis calls in to talk about Baltimore.
Plus, a lot lot more.
That's today on the Jimmy Dore Show.
So we all saw what's happening in Baltimore.
We're going to air.
We record this Wednesday night because I'm in Seattle this weekend.
Hi, everybody in Seattle.
So we're recording this Wednesday night, and everything is calm in Baltimore.
Of course, everything could change overnight.
We don't know.
But I wanted to make a few points.
The media coverage has been abominable of the Baltimore situation.
It has been absolutely horrible.
And I'm going to play a clip of Wolf Blitzer right now, and then I'll play a clip from CNN and MSNBC so we get them all in, okay?
So Wolf Blitzer may not be the smartest guy on TV, but give credit where credit is due.
He does remain completely still when he speaks.
Am I right?
Right.
Did you see him in the audience at the White House correspondence dinner when Cecily Strong was on stage?
I did not.
Oh, it was hilarious.
Just a complete dour, humorless expression on his face was priceless.
Wolf Blitzer is so stiff, he makes clutch cargo look dynamic.
Yeah, he does.
He does have a talent for reading whatever is on the auto queue.
You know, the coverage is bad when vine videos are more informative.
Than a CNN report from Wolf Blitzer.
You know, when forced to work off script, as in this interview I'm going to play, Wolf Blitzer displays the skills that made him the role model of journalists like Don Lemon.
So I'm going to, no, no, so Ted, we were telling you about this before.
I'm going to play a little bit.
We'll stop and start it.
So Wolf Blitzer's interviewing an activist, D-Ray McKesson, and let's watch some of his great journalism.
For joining us, what's your plan today?
What's your mission in Baltimore?
You know, we're here supporting the protesters on the ground and continuing the movement.
You know, there's been a lot of positive demonstrations over the past couple months here in Baltimore and across the country because the police have continued to kill people.
I mean, tonight will be another night where people come out into the streets to confront a system that is corrupt.
So that sounds pretty good.
All right, Ted, we're off to a good start.
It sounds completely rational.
Completely rational.
So eloquent, so collected.
Right.
So he's got it framing the issue correctly.
I like it.
Let's see what Wolf says back to him.
But you peaceful protests, right?
But you peaceful protest, right?
Can you believe, can you imagine asking someone that question?
But you're not going to go commit crimes, are you?
Are you a criminal?
That's what he's asking them.
Are you showing the video or just playing the audio?
I'm showing, well, nobody can see the video because it's just a podcast.
Okay, because I don't know if you should point out a very pertinent fact.
The guy that Wolf is interviewing is, well, he's black.
Right.
Thanks, Ben.
That was a good point to bring out.
And Wolf is basically asking, he's like, are you one of the good black people that's going to remain non-violent, or are you one of those thug black people that's burning down CVS?
Well, Michael, now let's see how many times Wolf Blitzer actually asked that question.
Let's watch.
Yes, for sure.
And remember, the people that have been violent since August have been the police.
We think about the 300 people that have been killed this year alone.
He pushes right back on Wolf.
He won't accept Wolf's framing.
And he says, hey, let's keep on when Wolf says, you're not going to be violent, are you?
Like, again, I want to make the point that the riots, while they are a problem, they are not the problem.
The riots are a response to the problem.
And Wolf Blitzer is, and I've been watching him up until today, anyway.
Maybe he changed his tune Thursday.
Up until today, he has been pretending that the riots are the problem and they are not the problem.
Amen.
That's exactly what's been going on pretty much everywhere.
The denial of the cause.
You know, you have cancer, but we're not going to talk about your three-pack a day habit that is bringing this cancer.
We're going to talk about that chemo that's making you look cold, making your hair fall out.
We got to stop your hair from falling out.
Okay, can I make sure I'm understanding the metaphor?
Is the chemo the police?
No, I'll tell you right now.
The three-pack a day habit is the police.
Okay.
And the cancer is the burning of the CVS.
What's really ironic is that Wolf Blitzer is actually a part of the problem.
Yes.
So let's play some more of this.
There's been property damage here that's been really unfortunate over the past couple for a day or so here.
But remember, there have been many days of peaceful protests here in Baltimore and in places all around the country.
But at least 15 police officers have been hurt.
200 arrests, 144 vehicle fires.
These are statistics.
Local police have put out 15 structure fires.
There's no excuse for that kind of violence, right?
I don't understand his what is that insulting or what, Ted?
The guy just made a really articulate point.
Hey, the real violence is coming from the police.
He very specifically said the violence was wrong.
He said that.
Yes.
He said the violence was wrong, and Wolf keeps going, but it's wrong, right?
Yeah.
You know what is so odd about this whole thing that Wolf is able to have all of this data, how many people have been hurt, how much damage has been done to property.
But I think we said this on the show before, that if you go to try to find out what is the data collected about how many people have been killed by police, that data is hard to come by.
They don't keep a record.
They do not keep a record.
And they've been required to keep a record, I think, since the early 90s.
They've been asked to keep a record throughout the United States.
No record is being kept.
And Maryland definitely doesn't keep any data regarding this.
Well, this gets worse.
I know this is shocking.
It gets worse.
Here we go.
Ian, there's no excuse for the seven people that the Baltimore City Police Department has killed in the past year either, right?
So there you go.
So now I'm at least set this back up.
Rush, Wolf Blitzer.
I almost called him Rush Blitzer.
Wolf Blitzer.
Wolf Blitzer says this.
And in places all around the country.
But at least 15 police officers have been hurt.
200 arrests, 144 vehicle fires.
These are statistics.
Local police have put out 15 structure fires.
There's no excuse for that kind of violence, right?
Ian, there's no excuse for the seven people that the Baltimore City Police Department has killed in the past year either, right?
We're not making comparisons.
Obviously, we don't want anybody hurt.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, we're not making comparisons.
Yes, you are.
What?
Yes, exactly.
We're just focusing on the minor property damage while the actual problem is people are losing lives.
Yes, because if we were making comparisons, it would look totally silly because cops killing unarmed civilians is way worse than civilians protesting, cops killing unarmed civilians.
And you want me to come on your show and validate what you think is important to you.
Yes.
And I'm here to validate what is important to me, which is the truth, which is the problem.
Yes, exactly.
And we're not even halfway through this clip.
Okay, here we go.
It gets better.
I hear you say that there should be peaceful protests.
Okay, here, I keep having to back this up here either, right?
We're not making comparisons.
Obviously, we don't want anybody hurt, but I just want to hear you say that there should be peaceful protests, not violent protests in the tradition of Dr. Martin Luther King.
He just said it three times.
He just said it three times that he's against the violence and he condemns the violence.
And then Wolf Blitzer says, I just need to hear you say it.
He just said it three times.
I thought, I literally thought Wolf Blitzer was going to say, I just need to hear you say it.
Kunta Kinte.
Say it.
Your name is Kunta Kinte.
Say it.
That's what I thought he was going to say.
This is unbelievable.
No, no interviewer, no journalist ever tells the interviewee what they need for them.
I need you.
That's unheard of.
That's unbelievable.
Yes, I need to hear you say this, please.
I'm interviewing you, but I need you to say what I want you to say.
Ted, I need you to speak in an English accent.
Why wouldn't that guy condemn the violence after he condemned the violence?
And yet, after he still, after he condemned the violence, he wouldn't condemn the violence.
Yeah, yeah.
That's amazing.
I'm halfway through this clip, Ted.
Go ahead.
Yeah, there should be peaceful protests.
And I don't have to condone it to understand it, right?
That the pain that people feel is real.
And you are making a comparison.
You are suggesting this idea that broken windows are worse than broken spines, right?
And what we know to be true is that the police are killing people everywhere.
They're killing people here.
Six police officers were involved in the killing of Freddie Gray.
And we're looking for justice there.
And that's real, right?
Like the violence that the police have been inflicting on communities of color has been sustained and deep.
But you agree, I assume, with President Obama, who just said a few moments ago, there's no excuse for the violence that erupts.
He won't stop.
Yeah.
He won't stop.
But you agree that the violence is wrong, right?
He just said now four times.
No, because he has an agenda and his agenda is to not discuss how evil and vile the system has become in regards to indicting cops for criminal behavior.
That's the issue.
And guess what?
If anyone would say just that, there would be no riots.
If one person of authority said, guess what?
We're going to prosecute.
We're done with this bullshit.
Yes.
But instead, we get paid.
You're on paid leave.
You know those clips.
So every time you say paid leave, after someone gets offed for no reason without their cause.
And if it was a black person who snapped the spine of a white cop, he'd be in jail right now.
Yeah.
We wouldn't have to wait for the autopsy and we have to wait for the investigation and we have to wait till July.
That black guy would be in prison a minute after that cop's spine was snapped.
A minute.
And he would have his spine snapped.
Believe me.
This whole interview is shocking just because you've never heard Wolf Blitzer ask a follow-up question so consistently ever.
Well, for CNN.
For him, a follow-up question is just asking the same question over and over.
He actually never gets to any follow-up.
You know, for Wolf Blitzer, grilling peaceful protesters is easier than grilling police about a culture of hostility towards specific communities.
Am I right?
Yes.
And then he's also like, and you'll agree with what Obama said.
You know, Obama's black, you know.
Yes, yes.
My black friend.
I've never sent on the violence.
So you as a black person, I hope you're going to go along with the black president.
Yeah, right?
You wouldn't go against the black.
There's already a black guy who said this.
Here we go.
Communities of color has been sustained and deep.
But you agree, I assume, with President Obama, who just said a few moments ago, there's no excuse for the violence that erupted yesterday.
There's no excuse for the stealing.
No excuse for the arson.
You agree with the president.
What I agree with is that I advocate people to peacefully protest.
I also know that pain manifests in different ways.
And I don't, again, I don't have to condone it to understand it.
People are grieving and people are mourning.
And I would advocate personally for people to do it in ways that you are calling peacefully.
But again, I also know that Freddie Gray will never be back and that those windows will be.
That's nice.
He's staying on point.
And yeah, and any journalist with any integrity at this point would stop.
Right.
Would stop the badgering and stop the repetitive questioning of the same thing.
You know.
Well, Ted, let me just tell you, this is Wolf Blitzer, who came to prominence during the first Gulf War in Baghdad, hiding underneath a table in his hotel room.
Okay.
So Wolf, you know, a wolf, a wolf can hear from six miles away, but Wolf Blitzer can't hear what an intelligent black person is saying right in his fucking face.
Yeah.
Well, I think so.
In all fairness, I think that Wolf Blitzer's attitude about all this would be different if he were awake.
And you know what?
There's really no excuse for Wolf Blitzer's coverage of this event.
Yeah.
There is no.
No, he's got more to say.
And the president also said, President Obama, he said the violence, he said, distracted from the peaceful protests and distracted from the mourning that the family of Freddie Gray was seeking yesterday.
Your reaction to that.
You know, a distracted from progress is when city officials get on TV and call black people in pain thugs, right?
That's a distraction.
Yes.
So, you know, I think that the unrest, the uprising, whatever you call it, is again a cry for justice here and a cry for justice across the country because the police continue to terrorize people.
And again, the terrorizing is actually deadly.
Broken windows are not broken spines.
People are in pain.
So I think that the president, I hope that he understands the conditions that created the unrest and that continue the unrest, not only here in Baltimore, but across the country, because Freddie Gray will never see another day and neither will Tamir or Ayana or Mike Brown.
DeRay McKesson is a community organizer.
And that's the end of the interview.
That's all Wolf Blitzer kept asking him.
I got to tell you right now, it's the best interview that D-Ray could get.
I'm telling you, this is great for him as an activist because it shows him to be so articulate.
He knows how to debate the issue and stay focused and not be derailed by a bunch of horrible questions.
And not get frazzled, which is what my problem would be, is to be frazzled after the third time, just to be going, are you, are you, are you still asking me the same question?
Tell me, can we, can you, are you seriously still asking me the same question?
It's like he wanted, he was like he was trying to bait him into snapping.
Yeah.
So here's my answer to your question.
Burning shit is wrong and bad and it should not occur.
But guess what really should not occur?
It's snap spines.
Right.
So that's what he was saying.
Yeah.
And then Wolf will go, yeah, but you're against the violence, Right?
So, yeah.
But, Ted.
So, until you ask me another question, that is where we are.
All right, Ted, here's another question.
Now, the president came out against the violence.
What do you say to that?
I say, I don't know what the president said.
I don't know what he's thinking.
All I know.
But, Ted, you can't condone the violence, do you?
Is that there's about to be violence here.
Ked, I need to hear you say there's about to be some broken things in this room.
I need to hear you say, I'm just pretending I'm with Flitzer.
That's how I would react.
And that's what I'm saying: is that you're about to see some shit get broke right here.
I'm going to protest your ass by breaking your computer.
So, now here is Aaron Burnett.
She's going to start calling them thugs.
Now, Barack Obama referred to them as thugs, and so did the mayor of Baltimore.
Now, Ted, I'm a little nervous to ask you what you thought about that because I'm afraid that you won't agree with me.
What I think about that is that what when I heard the mayor of Baltimore say that, I turn to my wife and I go, It's great to hear her using the same vocabulary that Sean Hannity uses on a nightly basis to refer to blacks and the inner city.
And yes, the word thug is a real word, but it has become bastardized and racialized since Barack Obama became president.
They have used that word thug instead of saying the N-word, and that's what it's been.
Nobody calls Jamie Dimon a thug when he steals $13 billion.
Nobody calls anybody a thug except they didn't call those.
By the way, I just wanted to start.
I wanted to start off by saying this.
And Wolf Blitzer loves to quote MLK Jr., but just here's a little MLK Jr. quote: I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard.
Yeah, that's only half that quote, though.
Well, it's still saying what the other guy said, which is there we're yelling and we're burning things because you're not listening otherwise.
Yes.
All right, so let's tally it up.
All right, I just want to tally it up before we go any further in this conversation, Ted.
$5 million in property damage, 140 injuries, nine police officers injured, 17 police cars set on fire, countless local businesses looted and vandalized, over 1,200 criminal charges.
Of course, I'm talking about the 2011 Vancouver Stanley Cups riots.
You know, when the whitest people in North America rioted because their hockey team lost.
Yeah.
Well, that's understandable.
Right.
Thugs, Ted.
Thugs.
Thugs.
He was very low flitched and was very tough on the Canadian prime minister about that.
Yes.
So here, now, so that's why I say that.
And it's funny.
If they're black, they're thugs.
If they're white, they're just upset hockey fans.
Right.
Passionate.
Passionate.
The kids at Penn.
You know how there's that express, you know, that joke.
I was at a fight in a hockey game.
Broke out.
Yeah.
Thugs.
You could also say I was, you know, watching CNN and journalism broke.
Well, here's some more of journalism not breaking out.
Here's Aaron Burnett.
The mayor of Baltimore, who's come under a lot of criticism, scathing criticism for her handling of this, referred to the people who were doing this last night as thugs.
President Obama.
So, Ted, did you agree with my assessment of the word thug that it's become racialized since Barack Obama became president?
Yeah, yeah, it's a code word now.
It certainly is a code word.
And it's, you know, it's a difficult thing to do.
Every reporter on CNN should be referring to.
And wouldn't it upset you when Barack Obama and the mayor of Baltimore said thugs?
It did me, and I'm white.
So if you're not, you're not, maybe you're not a good black.
Maybe I'm not.
I'm not a good father.
Maybe you're a better black than I am, Jimmy.
Jimmy, if he was a bad black person, you'd be dead right now.
Here's the problem.
People protesting the cops killing people is one thing.
But when you show footage of someone, you know, stealing TVs and stealing shoes and stealing, just stealing shit in general.
There's footage of this.
It's hard to reconcile that with you caring about someone being killed.
Right.
So, therefore, you have two words.
You have protesters and then non-protesters.
The non-protesters are just stealing shit.
So what do we call the non-protesters?
Okay.
If, you know, the thug is becoming the new nigger.
I get that.
But there still is a line drawn between someone, you know, walking out with five boxes of shoes.
Right.
They're not doing it because they give a shit about the dead kid.
So there are two different activities at hand.
Right.
Okay.
So let's listen to what she has to say.
Also called the protesters in his words today, quote-unquote, criminals and thugs.
Isn't it the right word?
No, of course it's not the right word to call our children thugs.
These are children who have been set aside, marginalized, who have not been engaged by snow.
We don't have to call them.
But how does that justify what they did?
I mean, that's a sense of right to wrong.
They know it's wrong to steal and burn down a CVS in an old person's home.
I mean, come on.
Come on.
They know it's wrong to do that stuff.
And there's a quote by Anatoly France that speaks to exactly what she just said.
And that quote is: the law in its majestic equality forbids the rich as well as the poor from sleeping under bridges, begging in the streets, and from stealing bread.
So what she's saying is, come on, the law.
Yeah, those, yeah, guess what?
Rich people never have a reason to burn down the CVS in their neighborhood.
Rich people never have a reason to steal bread from a CVS.
Rich people never have a reason to throw rocks at cops.
So this whole thing about they know what's wrong and they know, oh, isn't that great?
You've never been in that situation, Aaron Burnett.
You have no idea what's going on.
And as Mark Unger told us at the top of the show, it was just a very tiny part of Baltimore that was really being rioted.
He said most of Baltimore, peaceful protests for six days.
And all of a sudden, a small, small little thing breaks out.
And that's what everybody talked about.
Here, it gets better.
So I just wanted to read you that quote from Anatoly France.
Here, she goes on.
So she goes, They know it's better.
Come on.
So calling them thugs, just call them.
Just call them no.
So he says, just call them niggers.
He said that.
Yeah.
He said it twice.
I'm in the votes back and I'll get a running start.
Isn't it the right word?
No, of course it's not the right word to call our children thugs.
These are children who have been set aside, marginalized, who have not been engaged by snow.
We don't have to claim that.
And how does that justify what they did?
I mean, that's a sense of right to wrong.
They know it's wrong to steal and burn down a CVS in an old person's home.
I mean, come on.
Come on.
So calling them thugs, just call them.
Just call them.
No, we don't have to call them by names such as that.
We don't have to do that.
That is exactly what we've sent them to.
No, when you say, come on, come on, what?
You would call your child a thug if they should do something that would not be what you would expect them to do.
Look, I respect your point of view.
Yeah, she respects his point of view.
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Welcome back to the second half of today's Jimmy Door show.
We got phone calls from Bill O'Reilly, Mike from St. Louis, Barack Obama, and we're going to have some head-turning facts about Black America and the Baltimore riots coming up.
But right now, let's get to our phone call because we've been upset about Barack Obama using the word thug, and he's going to call us and talk about it.
Hello?
Jimmy, who is this?
This is Barack Obama, President of the United States.
Yeah, I know who you are, Mr. President.
Leader of the free world, Commander-in-Chief, the crown jewel of Kenya.
To what do I owe this honor, sir?
Jimmy, I'm calling to talk about the reckless and brutish behavior of those thugs in Baltimore.
Oh, yeah, those cops are horrible.
Oh, Jimmy, you silly buffoon.
I'm talking about the protesters.
Those thugs throwing bottles and rocks at the police.
The brave men and women in uniform.
With all due respect, President Obama, how can you call those children thugs?
They were expressing their frustrations with decades of failed policy.
Oh, is that what they were doing?
Well, you know what, Jimmy Dore?
I also get frustrated with decades of failed policies, some of which I enacted.
But you know what I do to deal with it?
Yet you send Irana cluster bombs over to Afghanistan and blow the legs off some children.
Well, yes, but also I sue those some hoops.
Shoot some hoops.
Great way to relieve straps and no buildings get burned down as a result.
Sir, but what about all the buildings you've burned down during the war on terror?
What the hell is going on here, Jimmy Dore?
My press secretary said you'd be locking these softball questions like the rest of the press corps.
Why are you asking me real questions?
Because that's what we do here on the Jimmy Doer show, bitch.
Well, did you really see all the property damage?
Those thugs were loading up on liquor like Joe Biden on an open bar.
Yes, I saw those kids stealing from stores.
Doesn't that pale in comparison to the looting you allowed from the treasury?
God damn it, Jimmy Dore.
I didn't come here to conduct a real interview.
I want fluff questions like everybody else.
Ask me about the important issues like Hillary entering the Chipotle or the future of the Kardashians family.
Sir, I don't think anybody wants to hear the president's opinion on the Kardashians.
The hell they don't.
Didn't you see my son at the White House Correspondence Center?
Sir, you have someone else write your jokes, so you can't take all the credit for them.
Plus, at the same time you delivered those tired jokes, a city not more than 50 miles away from you was going up in flames.
Yeah, I really roasted them.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, Mr. No, no, that's not what I mean.
I think we're having a miscommunication.
Oh, you mean like when I said Americans should have universal health care and then let Elizabeth Fowler for well point ride in the middle?
Yeah, kind of.
Or how about when I said I would take care of the banks?
That I was the only thing standing between Wall Street and Main Street?
And that I didn't prosecute anyone for their egregious financial crimes.
Well, yes, I suppose so.
What about when I said we were going to wind down the war in Afghanistan, but instead I decided to funnel money from America's future and blow it up in the deserts of the Middle East?
Sir, I don't really understand what's happening right now.
Excuse me?
I know these kids are thugs because they remind me of myself as a young Nobel Peace Prize winning president.
Eager to burn and destroy.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Well, listen, I'm going to let you go.
The interview is getting a little too weird for me.
Jimmy, if it's too hot, get the fuck out of the kitchen.
Thug life, bitch.
All right, President Barack Obama, ladies and gentlemen.
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Okay, we're going to pick up our conversation.
We left off in the first half hour, and we had a few points about the violence in Baltimore.
And there was a great article in The Atlantic that we want to talk about right now.
Let's get back to the studio.
I'm joined on the phone all the way from New York City.
You know him from Mystery Science Theater 3000.
It's TV's Frank Frank Conniff is with us.
Also, hilarious comedian and the host of the popular podcast, Learning Not to Swear.
It's Ted Lied.
Also, from the Miserable Liberal blog, it's our resident Latina Steph Zamarano and Michael Elliott Spitzer Surtzer is running the show for us today.
Right now, let's get back into the studio and pick up our conversation about Baltimore and the violence and the word thug.
I wonder there was a.
It's true.
Is anybody calling Rand Paul's son a thug?
A thug?
Who just said a D-U-I-Y-Werit?
A young kid making a mistake in his life, which is which is what a lot of these.
Hey, hey, were those Secret Service guys thugs when they had those parties with the hookers down in Costa Rica?
Were those Secret Service guys thugs when they were drunk driving their car into a crime scene on the White House lawn?
Were those Secret Service guys thugs?
Do they call them thugs?
Or did they even lose their job?
No.
Hey, let me just say, this was an article in The Atlantic that talked about this.
And Ted, I'd like to get your response to it.
And he said when nonviolence is preached as an attempt to evade the repercussions of political brutality, it betrays itself, meaning nonviolence.
When nonviolence begins halfway through the war with the aggressor calling timeout, it exposes itself as a ruse.
When nonviolence is preached by the representatives of the state while the state doles out heaps of violence to its citizens, it reveals itself to be a con wisdom isn't the point tonight.
Disrespect is, in this case, disrespect for the hollow law and failed order that so regularly disrespects the community.
Yeah.
Jimmy.
Jimmy, you will admit the violence is wrong, right?
Fox News was running around in Baltimore during the unrest on Monday night, and they found a city councilman.
And let's listen.
When you're watching this go on, does it break your heart to see this happen?
Oh, definitely.
I mean, what it is, is young boys, the young folks in this community showing decades old of anger, frustration, for a system has failed them.
I mean, this is bigger than Freddie Gray.
This is about the socioeconomics of poor urban America.
And, you know, these young guys are frustrated, they're upset, and unfortunately, they're displaying it in a very destructive manner.
You know, when folks are undereducated, unfortunately, they don't have the same intellectual voice to express it the way other people are doing.
And that's what we see through the violence today.
We just watched this liquor store being looted, and there's a bunch of folks running in and out of there.
You're not going to do it nothing.
What's wrong with that?
The police are all the way down there.
You're a city council member.
Is that right?
He's not even listening to what the guy said just now.
He's not even listening.
Is that right that there's looting?
Yeah.
Who was this?
What channel was that?
This was Fox News.
I don't know who this guy is from.
He's a reporter from Fox News.
I don't know who he is.
He is not a reporter.
Yeah, you're right.
He's just a guy on the mic.
Is it right for people to loot?
No, I mean, I think you've missed everything I've tried to do.
What I said is everything out here has happened wrong.
The violence is wrong.
That's never acceptable.
Understanding that there's a symptom of something that's going on here.
And what I'm trying to articulate to you is when you look at communities like this in urban America, lack of education, lack of commercial development, lack of opportunities.
It's the socioeconomics of it.
It has nothing to do with West Baltimore or this particular corner in Baltimore.
This could erupt anywhere in socially, economically deprived America.
We've certainly seen this in other cities.
Obviously, Ferguson comes to mind.
We also see it at rallies like in Kentucky when Kentucky lost their basketball game.
We see crowds that loot and that flip over cars and stuff.
But unfortunately, you know, all the 95% of the positive rallying that has been occurring here in Baltimore, the national media is going to focus on this.
And that's the problem.
So what are the legitimate grievances in your mind that folks have about being here?
Is it against the police?
Is it against poverty?
What are the legitimate grievances?
I don't know.
The blacks just picked up a black, the cops just picked up a 25-year-old black kid for making eye contact and snapped his spine.
And the fact that this happens all the time.
He just, that city councilman just told him that.
The guy wasn't listening.
Yes.
He just.
He asked him a question that he just already answered.
Yes.
See, now, what was he stopped for?
Because I don't even know why this screen.
Freddie Gray, he made eye contact.
He ran away.
He made eye contact with a cop.
That's what the cop said.
The cop said he made eye contact with me and then he ran.
So I chased him down.
Which is code for the cop just chased him down.
This is his code for the cop chases.
And that is, but that is.
And so, and you know what?
They snapped his spine.
So maybe you get an idea of why a black kid would run when he sees cops because he knows if the cops catch him, they're going to beat the crap out of him.
And that's something, that's a throwback from slavery.
If ever there was a throwback from slavery, you make eye contact with me, boy.
Yeah.
That's just.
Don't you be eyeballing me.
Yeah, that's that is.
And like, that's how minimal the crime was that he committed.
That it's like they had to slap on.
He looked at me.
You know?
He looked at me, so I chased him down.
It's like he wasn't doing anything.
There's no evidence of any wrongdoing.
You just.
And then they caught him with a pocket knife.
And I was like, well, you got to arrest.
If you're going to arrest him, I guess we should invade the Boy Scout camp.
Yeah.
So here's more of this Fox News clip.
This is a culmination of a lot of different things.
You know, decades old of failed policies, you know, decades old of lack of development for these communities.
I mean, it's a lot that pours into it.
And these young boys are speaking tonight, unfortunately, in a very wrong way.
Do you have any idea why?
As we're seeing what's going on here, and obviously you've got the police who have now backed off.
Any idea why?
We asked them to back off.
The men in this community came together.
We talked to the police.
We told them we would be able to kind of talk to the young guys out here.
We asked them to back up, and they did it.
It worked out.
It worked out with the liquor store still being looted.
That was not productive.
And he just walks away.
He goes, at this point, this is not productive.
And he walks away from that Fox News guy.
You know, if that Fox News reporter paid half as much attention to the looting of America as he did to the looting of that liquor store, we'd have some real journalists in this country.
But it's good that he's so concerned with the well-being of that liquor store because that's what the future of this country relies on, Frank.
Who needs the treasury when you have an intact liquor store in the city of West Baltimore?
They have an entire channel called the Fox Business Network that does nothing but celebrate criminals every day.
Every day.
That's all they do.
That guy was so invested in that liquor store, it's like he owned it.
That's all he could think about.
But this liquor store, meanwhile, Jamie Dimon paying a $13 billion fine.
But this liquor store, that's all they could say.
They couldn't stop saying that.
Again, all the focus on the petty crimes of this riot.
All the focus on that.
Not that there's a dead kid with a snapped spine and that there's been a pattern of abuse, not only in Baltimore, but in this whole country.
One of the things Baltimore cops do is they'll put someone in the back of that paddy wagon and they won't seatbelt them in and then they'll drive around the neighborhood like a maniac.
What the cops call that is a rough ride.
What happened one time, they rough rided a guy so much, it snapped his spine.
In fact, that's happened.
He went in normal, came out quadriplegic.
They had to pay him $7 million.
That happened a couple times.
So we all know that's why there's...
Yes.
But I think the kid was, I think his spine was already damaged by the time he got.
I don't know if you remember in the shooting in Virginia where that rent a cop was an insurance salesman.
He paid some money to the sheriff, so he was chasing guys with a gun.
And he said he pulled his taser, but he actually shot the guy in the back.
And so when that guy, who was unarmed, by the way, and he was tackled, and he said, I'm going to taser him.
Now he goes, taser, the guy's already tackled.
Why are you tasering him?
A. So B, he pulls out his gun and shoots him and kills him.
As the guy's laying there dying, he goes, I can't breathe.
Fuck you breathing.
And then one of the other cops who is kneeling on the shot guy's head, kneeling on his head, his head's on the concrete.
The guy's kneeling on his head as hard as he's squishing his head as he's shot.
And that other cop says, fuck your breath now if that's what if isis said that on a video to someone they were killing we would be like what maniacs we should be afraid of islam but because it was an officer in the united states nobody is even talking about it and that insurance salesman got a just punishment he's on a trip to the bahamas and he's on a trip to the bahamas we talked yes we talked about this in the premium yeah so i have one more piece of video to play you it's msnbc what's your name danielle danielle
Do you live here in Baltimore City?
Yeah.
So why did you want to be out here right now?
I just came out here to represent my city and just to let everyone know that, you know, Baltimore isn't this bad place.
We really do come together when we need to.
And this is a time that we really need to come together and show support for our city, for the family of Freddie Gray.
And to let America know that we do want justice.
When you say that you want justice, what type of message do you think it sends to the world when we're waiting on that justice and due process from the police investigation that we see residents last night looting and rioting in the city?
Does that represent?
What do you think, you dummy?
She just said, what do you talk?
What kind of a question?
What do you think?
Shouldn't we just forget it then if you guys are going to riot?
Shouldn't we just forget it and just let the cops keep killing you guys if you're going to riot?
Hang on, listen to what she says back.
It's really good.
...of the city.
No, it doesn't.
But my question to you is, when we were out here protesting all last week for six days straight peacefully, there were no news cameras, there were no helicopters, there was no riot gear, and nobody heard us.
So now that we've burned down buildings and set businesses on fire and looted buildings, now all of a sudden everybody wants to hear us.
Why does it take a catastrophe like this in order for America to hear our cry?
So I wish she would have just stopped there, but she kept talking and he doesn't answer her question.
But it was nice to see somebody dressed on an MSNBC reporter like that.
Yes.
It was nice to see that guy D-Ray push back on Wolf Blitzer.
It was nice to see that politician push back on Aaron Burnett.
People are sick and tired.
There was a video clip of guys getting in.
Geraldo Rivera was in Baltimore.
And if you saw...
Yeah, I saw you.
You're making a fool of yourself.
So this guy was getting in Geraldo Rivera's face and Geraldo Rivera's trying to get away from him right before he goes on air.
And the guy won't get out of Geraldo Rivera's face.
And it was really volatile and it was really tense.
And the guy's yelling at Geraldo Rivera, get out of my neighborhood.
Get out of Baltimore.
You're not here to help us.
You're here to hurt us.
Get out of here.
You don't care about the real problem.
You just want to sensationalize this.
Get out of my neighborhood.
Fox News is no friend of ours.
You're not helping.
And it was perfect.
And he goes, and I'm allowed to yell.
Black men are allowed to yell.
It's okay if I yell.
It was fantastic.
It was...
I put it on my Facebook page.
And I just put about time.
So people are hip to the bad media.
Yeah.
People are finally waking up to how bad the media...
I can't believe that MSNBC didn't send Luke Russert down there.
Dr. Phil, who's a conservative, was on Fox and Friends and Friends and Friends.
Right.
And they asked...
They were making the point to him that, you know, those kids in the inner city, those black kids, have the same opportunity and the same potential as my kids and your kids, Dr. Phil.
Why do they got to do that stuff?
And basically saying, hey, why don't those kids just work harder and get ahead like everybody?
And Dr. Phil said, you know, I don't think they have the same opportunity as everybody.
I think that there's been a lot of things to make sure that they don't have that same opportunity.
And he talked about the generation of how poverty gets handed down, about how they don't have the same schools, how they don't have the same opportunities.
I would add to that, that, you know, when your kid gets caught with a joint, he's not going to be denied a student loan.
He's not going to get...
You know what I mean?
But a black kid will.
A black kid will get a felony right away because they're over-policed.
In fact, that kid's spine got snapped for looking at a cop.
We did a story last week where a guy got arrested, a black guy got arrested for baggy pants.
They killed him.
Okay.
So this is the kind of thing they're over-policing in America and they're over-criminalizing.
Here's what's on my mind.
Here's what I see.
Is that you have a marriage.
We have a marriage in this country between, you know, white people in the power base.
And in this case, in this situation, black people who are marginalized and oppressed.
Okay?
So at some point in any marriage, there comes a point where the husband or the power figure in the marriage must face his behavior.
You know what I mean?
He must be...
He must listen to his abused spouse.
Right.
He must.
Or he winds up in a burnt bed.
So when people say, like with Dr. Phil, people on Fox and Friends and Friends try to say, hey, those black kids have just the same opportunity as white kids.
And why don't they work harder?
Why don't blacks just get themselves...
Why don't they get moms and dads?
Because you hear that too.
I heard Rand Paul say that today.
Today he said that.
Rand Paul said, you know, there's a problem with breakdown of the family structure and there's not dads in the house.
So that's that same old thing.
So why aren't there?
Why did that happen?
Did no one ever ask that question?
Why did that happen?
Why?
Why are black families?
Why is there a higher incidence of single parents and black neighbors?
As if all of a sudden whites and blacks and everybody got...
And we all started at the same place and all of a sudden black...
That's not what happened, Ted.
We know that's not what happened.
And let me just tell you that...
I don't know if you know, Ted, do you know about Greenwood, Tulsa, and Greenwood neighborhood in Tulsa, Oklahoma?
It was called the Black Wall Street.
No.
So during the oil boom of the 1910s, there was an area in northeast Oklahoma that really flourished.
They flourished.
And it was called the Greenwood neighborhood, which came to be known as the Black Wall Street.
Now, there are a lot of lawyers, realtors, doctors, prominent black businessmen.
Many of them multimillionaires lived in Greenwood, which was the Black Wall Street in Tulsa.
So they had thriving businesses and grocery stores and closing shops, barbershops, movie theaters.
They had a great community.
In fact, they had many luxuries in that black community that the whites didn't have.
They had indoor plumbing before the whites had it.
Wow.
Yeah.
So, and the dollar circulated in their neighborhood 36 to 100 times before it left the community.
So they really, we had a really good community going, the Black Wall Street.
Well, guess what?
That neighborhood was destroyed during a white riot that broke out after a group of men from Greenwood attempted to protect a young black man from a lynch mob.
On the night of May 31st, 1921, a mob called for the lynching of Dick Rollin, a black man who shined shoes after the report spread that he had assaulted a white woman in an elevator.
She operated in a downtown building.
In the early hours of June 1st, 1921, black Tulsa was looted, firebombed from the air, and burned down by white rioters.
The governor declared martial law.
The National Guard troops arrived.
Guardsmen assisted firemen in putting out the fires, removed, abducted African Americans from the hands of white vigilantes, and imprisoned them.
All black Tulsans were imprisoned, if they weren't already confined.
And they were put in prison camps and a convention hall at the fairgrounds.
And for some, they were in prison for 182.
eight days.
In the wake of the violence, 35 city blocks were burned.
Over 800 people were injured and 300 people were killed.
So they burned down 35 square blocks of black primo real estate made up of black lawyers, doctors, businessmen, and politicians.
And that happened a lot in America.
Whenever this is just one story, there's four pages of this.
I'm reading this.
This is from the Atlantic Black Star.
This comes from an article in December 4th, 2013.
So there you go.
So that, and there's four more pages of stories just like this.
So that's crazy.
So every time blacks did get their act together in this country and they did create a thriving community, whites torched it and burned it down.
That happened in Chicago.
It happened there.
It happened in a lot of places around the country.
So that's when people say, why can't they just, why don't they, that's why.
Hello, who's this?
Jimmy Dore.
This is Bill O'Reilly.
Hey, Bill, how's it going?
Why can't those people wait for all the facts to come in?
What facts?
He died under mysterious circumstances.
He was 100% alive.
Then he met some cops, and then he had his spine severed and died.
You don't know what happened.
Really, Bill?
The kid was perfectly healthy until he encountered the cops.
Then he gets out of a police van with his spine severed.
How do you think it happened?
You think he paralyzed himself, Bill?
Blacks have horrible blood pressure problems.
Maybe it was that.
What?
Are you drunk, Bill?
I hear you got a problem with the people calling those Baltimore animals thugs.
Bill, everybody uses it nowadays, Jimmy.
Even black mayors and black presidents call poor blacks thugs.
It's all a rage.
At least they aren't saying N, right?
They need to get their act together and have normal families with moms and dads who aren't criminals.
You know, Bill, every time blacks do that, whites burn down their neighborhoods and kill them and arrest the rest of them.
Oh, yeah, right.
Is this the Black Wall Street bullshit you've been spewing?
It's not bullshit.
And yes, the Black Wall Street story.
Look, I'm no stranger to what it's like to be a discriminated against minority.
The Irish face a lot of discrimination when we came over, but we worked hard.
Oh, Jesus, Bill.
I just pointed out to you that they do work hard.
And when they were successful, whites rioted and burned down their neighborhoods.
If they really wanted to get ahead, they could, like my folks who worked hard and bought a house in Levittown, New York with a government loan.
Why didn't the blacks do like my parents?
Because the government that financed that housing community that your parents bought a house in with a government loan, they excluded blacks explicitly, Bill.
They would not let them borrow money or buy homes there.
You and your white family got a helping hand from Uncle Sam, and blacks got systematically discriminated against and told to work harder.
So why didn't they work harder?
Bill, are you even listening?
Sorry, Jimmy.
I'm just being an asshole.
Listen, did you see the takedown of Boehner and his Pelosi kiss that Janie Moose did on CNN?
Don't cross that, witch.
She'll know you but good.
What?
Jeanie Moose.
You watch her?
She's like a walking doonesberry cartoon.
Okay, Bill, I appreciate it.
Thanks for dropping in, buddy.
Okay, no problem.
Fuck off.
Hey, Jimmy Dyer.
Guess who this is?
It's Mike from St. Louis.
How you doing, buddy?
Look, I haven't heard from you for a while.
I thought, you know, we had sort of a thing going on.
I was kind of your roving correspondent, man on the street kind of guy, but I guess things died down in Ferguson for the time being, and you didn't have any need for my services.
Well, must be nice.
You know, and it makes sense, whatever.
I'm just a guy who works down at stuff steal.
I can see why you wouldn't turn to me necessarily.
But I figured that when Ferguson-esque things happen in other cities, I might be a voice that would be an asset to your program there.
So in the spirit of solidarity with my brothers and sisters, today I call you as Mike from Baltimore.
But my cousin's wife is from there.
You know, she talks about it sometimes.
So anyway.
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