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Get ready for an outstanding entertainment program.
The Jimmy Dore Show.
Hey, everybody, lay off Brian Williams.
He who has not lied about being shot down by an RPG over Iraq, please cast the first stone.
They say the face, they say the face is the roadmap to the soul.
I know if you look closely, Brian Williams' face makes a U-turn in the middle of the block.
The same integrity that Brian Williams showed during the war was the same integrity he showed during the run-up to the war.
Politicians and military contractors are now horrified to discover they were spreading lies on a news program hosted by a dishonest news anchor.
In fact, Brian Williams has been party to so many lies about the Iraq war, he thought one more wasn't going to hurt anybody.
For two decades, Brian Williams has been America's most watched and most trusted teleprompter reader.
And I, for one, I for one am grateful that we have brave TV reporters like Brian Williams who are willing to go into war zones and risk their credibility by lying to the American people.
When Brian Williams tells people he plays it down the middle and tries not to take sides about the news, this also includes not taking sides on reality either.
Brian Williams' war stories are so full of shit that Tom Brokaw is going to produce a TV series about them on the military channel.
It's true that Brian Williams experienced heavy fire in Iraq, but the bullets couldn't pierce the $10 million paycheck from the defense contractor he had in his pocket.
Eventually, members of the military who are expected to give up their lives for lies told what actually happened and Brian Williams was forced to retract his story.
Since the American public appears to be in the mood to clean house, let's not stop at Brian Williams.
The Hall of Shame for the liars of the Iraq War has plenty of vacancies for pundits, politicians, and presidents.
They're easy to find.
Just turn on the nightly news.
I don't know about you, but it almost seems like the entire Iraq war was a lie.
I don't know about you, but it almost seems like the entire Iraq war was a lie.
It's the Jimmy Dore Show.
The show for...
The kind of people that are...
It's the show that makes Anderson Cooper save.
It's hard to talk to you, T-Gale.
And now, here's a guy who sounds a lot like me.
It's Jimmy Dore.
Hi, everybody.
Welcome to this week's show.
I'm joined in the studio.
Cross from me, hilarious comedian from Team Yasamura.
It's Robert Yasamura.
Hey, Robert, how are you?
The better for your asking, James.
Ohio is how I say it.
That's how I say hello to my Japanese friends.
Ohio.
Next to him, hilarious comedian, former writer for The Daily Show, the author of Morning Remembrance, Hilarious Obituaries of Real Dead People.
It's Jim Earl.
Hey, Jim, how are you?
Hey, Jimmy, how are you?
I'm doing good.
I'm doing all right myself.
Thank you very much for asking.
It is a pleasure to be here once again on your show.
Ah, the dulcet tones of Jim Earl, ladies and gentlemen.
Across the glass from me as the host of the Bradcast, which is heard Wednesdays at 3 p.m. right here at KPFK and the Brad blog.
It's Brad Friedman.
Hi, Brad.
How are you?
Whatever.
And also engineering the show today is Michael Elliott Spitzer Schirtzer.
Now, let's get to some of the jokes before we get to the jokes.
This was Groundhog's Day was this last week.
And Punk's a tawny Phil.
He stays in bed for months and then is too afraid to even look at his own shadow to go outside.
Why is he celebrated for living Frank Conniff's life?
That's a funny joke.
Brian Williams, by the way, you heard about Brian Williams.
I talked about him at the top of the show.
Brian Williams in trouble.
He needs to restore his journalistic credibility.
So I say he better do another rap on Jimmy Fallon's show, Stat.
You know, Brian Williams' bullshit Iraq story is exactly the kind of thing that made Holly Hunter break up with him in broadcast news.
Yes.
Hey, let's not allow Brian Williams' lies about being in Iraq diminish the fine work he did telling us lies that got us into Iraq.
The GOP is all upset that this vaccine talk is distracting people from the wide range of health care they'd like to deny children.
Chris Christie made a couple of remarks about vaccines.
I don't know if you heard that.
And you know, when Chris Christie, when he sits around the house, he really says some stupid shit about vaccinations.
You know, Chris Christie has a deeply held belief that the lunch begins at conception.
We all know that.
I like that.
I'm so sad to see that Chris Christie rejects Jenny Craig but embraces Jenny McCarthy.
You know, Chris Christie supports anti-he doesn't support the vaccines as much as he should, which is shocking that he would object to a procedure that involves free lollipops.
You get free lollipops?
You get a free lollipop when you get a vaccine.
I got to get vaccinated, man.
Yeah, Michael, it's good that you're holding in all the laughs today.
You're not making up for Edwin not being here at all.
That's good.
Keep it inside.
Keep it inside.
Jimmy, scientists have recently uncovered that fat people can become overweight because of a virus.
That's true.
Yeah, I heard that.
The first sign that you have the fat virus is you have the fever for the Pringle or some stuff.
Fever's the flavor of a Pringle.
Yeah, fever.
Flavor of a Pringle.
That's it.
Sorry I interrupted.
No, that would have got a great joke had you said it correctly.
You know, the disease that the GOP most want to protect school kids from is the spread of textbooks that teach actual science and history.
We know that.
And, you know, it's good to know that if Rand Paul or Chris Christie is elected president, Jenny McCarthy's good shot becoming Surgeon General.
Okay, that's what's coming up on today's show.
We're going to talk about the vaccine controversy with Rand Paul, Chris Christie, Jenny McCarthy.
Plus, Republican congressman says you don't have to wash your hands if you work at a Starbucks.
Plus, Brian Williams, big liar.
We were way out in front on this story.
Back in December, we called it.
We're going to talk about that.
Plus, Fox News showed the entire ISIS unedited propaganda video.
I wonder if that's good or bad.
We'll talk about that.
Plus, we got phone calls.
We got phone calls today from Bill O'Reilly, Tom Brokaw, Ron Paul, and Liam Neeson.
that's today on the Jimmy Dore Show.
Thank you, Jimmy.
This week, Republican Senator Tom Pillis, as you know, of North Carolina, argued that In order to reduce regulatory burden, restaurants should be able to opt out of health regulations requiring employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom.
Now, you may ask, is this a bad movement?
Well, I predict the proof will be in the pudding.
You see, many believe hand washing doesn't even work.
That the evidence is at best spotty.
You know, there was a time when, as a courtesy, flush with excitement, I would gladly have offered my hands for cleansing.
I now believe it should be a personal decision between you and your poop maker.
Washing your hands should be a voluntary act, even when it follows an involuntary one.
Yes, I was raised to always wash my hands after reducing my regulatory burden.
But the last thing we need now is the brown eye of the law dumping on our prey.
Our parade of job creators.
If I may squeeze out one more point and float this one by you, it's time for the opposition to cut rope and run.
This is a subject I've been straining on for quite some time.
You see, I know how difficult it can be to wash your hands when you're in a pinch.
Now, you might, there's a lot more.
Now, you might ask, should workers in the service industry, especially seniors, just be allowed to urinate and defecate without care or whenever they want?
Depends.
Idiot.
But in the end, it doesn't matter whether you're dropping the kids off at the pool, laying some cable, making sauerkraut, dancing to Pennsylvania quick steps, planting potatoes, letting out the pooch, or building a log cabin.
We're all Americans.
For us, it was clearly expressed in Deuteronomy.
This too shall pass.
So the next time you get a burning urge to unload on your fellow citizens, remember, whatever side you take, be it number one or number two, the road to liberty is a long and winding one.
A journey with pockets of resistance and obstructions at every turn.
And when we finally reach that magical end, I believe every American will realize their God-given right to let loose.
Thank you.
Well done.
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Thank you.
So let's remember what propaganda means.
One definition of propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
All right, let's keep that in mind.
Propaganda, especially of its information of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize political cause or point of view.
Another definition, Wikipedia says propaganda is a powerful weapon of war.
It is used to dehumanize and create hatred toward a supposed enemy, either internal or external, by creating a false image in the mind.
Okay, so remember, propaganda, what is it?
It's a powerful weapon in war used to dehumanize and create hatred toward a supposed enemy, either internal or external, by creating a false image in the mind.
So ISIS is great at making these propaganda videos.
So the latest propaganda video they made is the one where they burned that Jordanian pilot alive.
There was a pilot out dropping bombs on ISIS.
He crashed.
His plane crashed.
They got him.
And then they wanted to murder him in a very brutal way.
So they put him in a cage and they lit him on fire and they videotaped it.
And it was very long propaganda tape.
I mean, it was highly edited, highly edited, lots of speaking in Arabic on it.
And it was, it was 21 minutes.
And, you know, it doesn't serve anyone to watch it.
It's like watching a beheading video.
I pretty much, I know what's going to happen.
So it's just like watch just, you're just watching it to watch a car wreck.
And Fox News has decided to air, they made it available on their website for anybody.
So when why would they do that?
Why would they other places, YouTube took it down, Facebook cooked it to you?
Can't you couldn't put it up?
Nobody would carry it.
Fox News says, hey, we'll put it up.
And here is their rationale.
Here's Brett Baer giving their rationale of why they did this.
The images are brutal.
They are graphic.
They are upsetting.
You may want to turn away.
You may want to have the children leave the room.
Really, you think, Brett, you're about to show a human being being burned alive?
You think maybe you want to get the kids out of the room?
Maybe?
Anyway, okay, I'm tipping my hand how I feel about this, but let's get back to Brett Baer.
Right now.
But the reason we're showing you this is to bring you the reality of Islamic terrorism and to label it as such.
We feel you need to see it.
So isn't that interesting?
Fox News doing a public service.
They think that it's so important that we know who ISIS is.
We got to really know how horrible these people are.
So in order to really communicate that idea, to really fully inform their viewer, they're going to show you a video that a bunch of murderers made where they burn a guy alive and they videotape it.
So in order for you to get, because this is really what ISIS is, and we really, Fox News really feels like you need to see it.
First of all, that's weird that you all of a sudden really feel a need to inform your viewers because you didn't feel a need to show a casket of a dead soldier coming back who had just been killed by somebody in the Al-Qaeda or the Taliban or anybody else were fighting.
You wouldn't fight for that.
You wouldn't want to show us the reality of that.
Isn't that interesting?
You wouldn't want to show us the reality of what actually happens in a war.
You know, my old joke is I used to say that the difference between CNN and Al Jazeera is that CNN shows the bombs taking off and Al Jazeera shows them landing.
So that would be the difference between American news and the rest of the world.
The rest of the world is going to show you, They're going to show you the Arab television station is going to show you the effect of the bomb.
We don't do that in America.
And we don't even show you the caskets of American soldiers coming home because I guess apparently we don't feel that you don't, you don't need to know about that.
You don't need to fully understand, as Brett Baer says.
You don't need to know the reality of what happens to our soldiers in war.
But isn't it interesting?
Brett Baer really thinks you need to know.
Is to bring you the reality of Islamic terrorism.
Yeah, you need to know that.
You need to know all about that reality.
So we're going to show you a bunch of murdering terrorists who lit a guy on fire and videotaped it.
So we're going to not only going to show it to you, but we're going to allow the guys who made this video to link it and to show it to the whole world so they can show it to everybody.
They were sending out links.
The actual terrorists were linking to this video because no one else would host it.
No one else would show it.
So I don't know.
What do you think?
What do you think would make ISIS upset or happy?
Do you think they would be happy that someone is hosting their video, giving it a platform and distributing it worldwide unedited, a propaganda video?
That's what Fox News is doing.
They're doing the work of ISIS.
They're taking ISIS's propaganda video and they're distributing it worldwide unedited.
Unedited.
So I'm going to guess that's exactly what ISIS beyond their wildest dream.
They couldn't imagine that someone would do that.
And Fox News is doing it.
And the reason is they feel, what is it again?
It's to bring you the reality of Islamic terrorism.
Now, I don't want to get too cynical, but that's not why.
They're trying to scare the hell.
They're trying to scare the hell out of you.
So you'll be even more gung-ho for more war.
You know, I'm going to guess Rupert Burdock and Roger Ale, just like they wanted the first Iraq war.
They want more war in the Middle East.
For whatever reason, they're warmongers, sells newspapers.
That's for one thing.
Gets great ratings.
I know that.
But there's no reason.
So we really want you to understand the reality of what ISIS is, but you don't want them to understand any other reality of war.
And by the way, so what this does is this is trying to make you angry and afraid at ISIS.
It's made to terrorize you.
So they're trying to terrorize you, scare you.
And what Fox News is doing is they're helping that right along because they want you to not be upset when we spend even more money bombing these people.
Again, we don't have money for anything else.
We got 40 kids in every classroom.
I don't know about every classroom.
I know that in the high school my wife teaches in a lot of 40 kids in classes, which means that a high school teacher ends up having to teach not 40 kids a day, but around 175 different teenagers a day.
Yes, every day, 175 different teenagers a day because we don't have the money.
We don't have the money in the United States of America.
We're the richest country in the world, have an economy twice the size of China.
We don't have any money for teachers, firemen, libraries, infrastructure, anything that helps you.
Medicare, Social Security, we don't have any money for any of that stuff.
But war, oh, we've got the war money.
We never, after we ramped up our military budget after 9-11, it never went back down.
I mean, there was the sequester cuts, but those are gone.
We're back up, spending over a half a trillion dollars a year on our defense budget, our Pentagon budget.
So this wants you to think that ISIS, again, there's another boogeyman that's worse.
It started with, it's the oldest trick in the book.
You have to dehumanize the enemy, make them seem like the worst boogeyman ever.
You know, just in my lifetime, we had Saddam Hussein, we had Al-Qaeda, we had Saddam Hussein again.
Now we have ISIS, right?
We had the kamikazes.
I mean, there's always, there's always some crazed killer that's worse than anything you could ever imagine.
And so this is, and by the way, so this implies, by the, also, I know this wasn't, this isn't popular for me to say, but how do you think people die when that guy was dropping bombs on them?
How do you think people died when we dropped an atom bomb, two atomic bombs on Japan?
Do you think some people burned to death?
How about the famous picture of the young naked girl in Vietnam running down the street because her village had been napalmed?
We all know that horrible image etched in our mind.
So this is pretending that, again, ISIS is worse than anyone else.
War is horrible.
You know, when we drop a bomb, it burns a lot of people to death.
It blows their heads off, yet we're still horrified by beheadings and this thing.
War is horrible.
The way we kill people, also horrible.
When we drop a bomb on people, when a drone drops a bomb on a wedding procession, it doesn't tap them on the shoulder and hug them to death.
It blows them up.
Sometimes it blows their head off.
Sometimes it burns them.
So I just want to, and the fact that Fox News is getting away with that, Blaton, just, wow, could you be stirring up the call for war anymore?
Could you be cheerleading on a bigger Pentagon budget more?
Wow, it's crazy that they're even allowed to do that.
Like, like, so just know that they're phony, that they're, they're using this terror.
They're literally distributing a propaganda video unedited for ISIS.
And they're doing it in the name of fighting ISIS.
This is a fight.
No, this is to get people scared and riled up and spend money on war.
That's what this is.
And that's not me being too cynical.
That's me being properly skeptical and reading into exactly what's happening.
So on the fly, we have a celebrated newsman, Tom Broca.
Tom, I wanted to talk to you about Brian.
How are you, Tom, by the way?
I'm going fine.
I'm not really sure why you're talking to me.
Well, I just wanted to get your opinion.
Whoa, why the hell am I here?
Well, I just wanted to get your opinion on what's happening with Brian Williams right now because he got caught lying.
Now we've, you know, we've caught him lying a bunch of times on our show.
But this time when he got caught, he had to actually issue an apology, and he didn't call what he did a lie.
He called that, he said, he conflated.
He conflated to the what is that about when he says conflates?
Well, Jimmy, sometimes in the fog of war, a reporter conflates things that happen to other people with what's happening to him.
It's very common.
Conflate, you mean lie.
No, no, not at all, Jimmy.
When Brian Williams said he was on a helicopter that took enemy fire instead of the helicopter that didn't take any enemy fire, that was a case of conflating.
Now, what's the difference between conflating and lying?
Well, essentially, one sounds like a simple mistake we're going to easily forgive, and the other will get you fired from a news organization.
See the difference?
Yeah, yeah.
You're just using Orwellian speak to cover up reporting malfeasance.
Well, there you go.
Got any more questions there, genius?
No, no, I don't.
No, that's it.
Thanks for taking time, Tom.
Oh, no problem.
I have to get going anyway.
I have to take a helicopter to the grocery store to stock up on supplies for my upcoming yachting trip.
I'll catch a Marlin for you.
Oh, thanks, Tom.
I appreciate it.
I'm retired.
I really miss the news business.
You do?
Yeah.
What do you miss most about it?
Do you miss it?
I miss sitting at that desk and looking at the camera and reading words that came out of a machine.
It's a very therapeutic thing to do.
That's the kind of fire in the belly that never leaves you, huh?
I also miss Jane Pauley.
Oh, we all miss Jane Pauley.
America's sweetheart.
I wouldn't go that far.
The modern-day Helen of Troy.
Oh, it's a little.
I think you're what do you call conflating.
If Jesus Christ were a lady.
Yeah, I think that would be an overreach.
All right, whatever you want to call it, Mr. Fancy Words.
Oh, look at that.
My polo ponies got out again.
Okay.
All right.
Who forgot to lie on her barn?
All right, Tom.
I appreciate you taking time to talk to us.
I got to go catch these ponies.
Okay.
Okay.
So I can play polo later.
Yeah, I get it.
You play polo, you yacht.
With other rich-ass motherfuckers.
Okay.
All right.
Bye.
Bye.
Okay, that was Tom Brokaw.
Tom Brokaw.
You're listening to The Jimmy Dore Show.
The Jimmy Dore Show.
So Brian Williams got into a little bit of hot water.
Brian Williams, everybody's favorite newsman, the man who says he plays the news right down the middle.
I didn't know there were two sides.
I didn't know there were two sides of the truth.
So Brian Williams, we all know he's been a defense contracting shill for a long time, ever since he's been host of the NBC news.
He used to bring on generals that were in the pocket of the defense contractors, and they would come on and argue for more war and more money to be spent on it.
And Brian Williams never told us about that.
The guy who did tell us about that won a Pulitzer Prize in the New York Times.
Brian Williams still didn't tell us about that on his news.
So we've already talked about that on this show.
I did a video about it.
So he's been telling this story about him being in Iraq and his helicopter being hit by an RPG and all this stuff.
So here's the story that he told, he's been telling, by the way, since 2003.
And he got called out on it by Stars and Stripes.
He told it again.
He just told it again the other day.
And here it is.
Brad, you haven't heard it.
Here it is.
We want to share with you a great moment that took place here in New York last night.
The story actually started with a terrible moment a dozen years back during the invasion of Iraq when the helicopter we were traveling in was forced down after being hit by an RPG.
Our traveling NBC News team was rescued, surrounded, and kept alive by an armored mechanized platoon from the U.S. Army 3rd Infantry.
Command Sergeant Major Tim Terpak.
Okay, that's all false.
None of that happened.
His helicopter didn't get hit by an RPG.
They didn't have a bunch of them had to surround them and keep them safe.
So none of that happens.
Actually, it's worse.
It happened to other people.
It happened to other people, right?
So the helicopter that was in front of him by about an hour that happened to that helicopter, and then they landed next to that helicopter.
Okay, so their helicopter wasn't hit.
There was no fire.
The helicopter that landed an hour in front of Brian Williams' helicopter was hit, and he's pretending that he was on that helicopter.
So completely false.
Nothing truthful about it other than it happened to somebody else.
Nothing.
Yes, it happened to someone else.
Did he think that nobody was going to say anything?
No, there was other people on that helicopter.
No one has said anything since he started telling that story in 2003.
So here's how Stars and Stripes, the military newspaper, reported it.
They reported it dustly.
NBC nightly news anchor Brian Williams admitted Wednesday he was not aboard a helicopter hit and forced down by RPG fire during the invasion of Iraq.
A false claim that has been repeated by the network for years.
Williams repeated the claim Friday during NBC's coverage of a public tribute to New York Rangers hockey game for a retired soldier that had provided ground security for the grounded helicopters, a game to which Williams accompanied him.
So Brian Williams stayed in contact with one of these army guys that he met in Iraq, and he took him to a Rangers game.
And during the Rangers game, this happened.
We want to share with you a great moment that took place here in New York last night.
The story actually started with a terrible moment a dozen years back during the invasion of Iraq when the helicopter we were traveling in was forced down after being hit by an RPG.
Our traveling NBC News team was rescued, surrounded, and kept alive by an armored mechanized platoon from the U.S. Army 3rd Infantry.
Was put in charge of our safety.
We quickly realized we were from neighboring towns in New Jersey.
He went on to fight the war and invade Baghdad and serve several more tours, earning three bronze stars.
We got to return to our homes and families thanks to him and his men.
Command Sergeant Major Tim Tirpak and I stayed in touch all these years.
He just retired after 24 years in the Army.
So last night I invited him to see the Rangers Canadiens game at Madison Square Garden.
It was merely a chance to be reunited, but the Rangers had other plans, as Tim realized when we looked up and saw our picture on the big screen.
So now he's cutting to what happened at the Rangers game.
They made an announcement.
Here's the announcement they made during the game.
Ladies and gentlemen, during the Iraq invasion, U.S. Army Command Sergeant Major Tim Terpak was responsible for the safety of Brian Williams and his NBC news team after their Chinook helicopter was hit and crippled by enemy fire.
Command Sergeant Major Terpak was awarded three bronze stars for combat valor in Iraq and recently retired after 23 years in the U.S. Army.
Both men, both Rangers fans, have been reunited for the first time in 12 years for tonight's game.
Please welcome Command Sergeant Major Tim Turpak and Brian Williams.
How about that?
That was a kiss, Cam, too.
That was pretty embarrassing.
Remembering Trunkwood.
So how about that?
By the way, so I'm watching that and I'm like, well, isn't that nice?
Brian Williams stayed in contact with that guy and he brought him to a Rangers game.
And I'm like, wait a minute, how did the Rangers know that guy was there with Brian Williams?
How did the Rangers know this guy's backstory?
How did the Rangers know all this stuff?
And why did they announce?
Oh, I know, because Brian Williams at NBC News told everybody at the Rangers game that this was the story.
And they were hoping that something like this would happen because this is a big PR event for Brian Williams.
And that's why they're doing this.
Again, the guy who cheerleaded on a war, a guy who brought on defense people who were in the hip pocket of defense contractors to cheerlead more war, not tell his viewers, and then make up a BS story about being in Iraq.
And he's using the military.
I mean, again, it's the military has become, you know, I was at the Rose Bowl this year, and I know this sounds like I'm jumping around, but I was at the Rose Bowl, and almost at every big football game, they fly over a stealth bomber.
Everybody goes, ooh, isn't that cool looking?
And I'm sitting there.
I might have been the only one thinking, boy, I bet the people over in the Middle East, when they see this, think a lot different stuff.
Right.
Well, that's exactly what I was thinking.
More about what the hell is this story being told at a hockey game for?
Right.
Why is that appropriate?
It's a goddamn hockey game.
It's a hockey game.
Why are they telling war stories?
War stories at a hockey game.
Is Ali North going to come out?
And, you know, is he playing a goalie for the Rangers?
Well, that's what team sports does.
I mean, that's what they do at team sports gatherings.
It's a big jerk off fest for patriotism.
Well, they didn't used to.
I mean, it's gotten worse and worse over the...
They did not used to.
They didn't even used to sing the national anthem before ball games.
That happened during, I think it was World War II.
They started doing that.
Now they've added, what is it, God Bless America during the seventh inning stretch?
Now we're telling war stories during the.
I thought that was so.
So your antenna went up.
BS detector went up when you heard this.
Mine certainly, that was like, how did the people at the Rangers game?
And now that we know that he lied about this, I think I can infer all I want, right?
because we know he's been pushing this BS story now for years.
According to Start, so when he...
You have to piss them off pretty good for them to do their job.
Are you insulting our troops?
I am not.
I'm insulting the journalists.
So here is Brian.
So here's Brian Williams.
He had to come back and apologize for this after Stars and Stripes called him out.
Here's what he said.
Last week, in an effort to honor and thank a veteran who protected me and so many others after a ground fire incident in the desert during the Iraq War invasion, I made a mistake in recalling the events of 12 years ago.
It did not take long to hear from some brave men and women in the air crews who were also in that desert.
I want to apologize.
I said I was traveling in an aircraft that was hit by RPG fire.
I was instead in a following aircraft.
We all landed after the ground fire incident and spent two harrowing nights in a sandstorm in the Iraq desert.
This was...
We spent two harrowing nights.
I don't know if that's true either.
Now I'm wondering, is that part made up?
Yeah, was it really harrowing?
You were in a sandstorm?
Sandstorms are harrowing?
Well, they are.
I guess.
I didn't know.
Yeah, I've been in a haboob.
Oh, but in point of fact, it was probably like two hours and a breeze.
Yeah.
A bungled attempt by me to thank one special veteran and by extension, our brave military men and women, veterans everywhere, those who have served while I did not.
I hope they know they have my greatest respect and also now my apology.
So again, he's trying to use the reverence and love that the American people have for the military and try to rub some of that off on him.
That's what's happening here.
This faint praise for this praise for them, but he's also included.
He spent two harrowing nights.
So according to Stars and Stripes, when he gave this report last Friday, that was like the last straw.
And then, like you said, these guys started posting on Facebook, hey, this is B.S. And so this will not hurt him, you know.
No, this is not going to hurt him.
No, he could run for president now.
Well, it won't be.
Can I just kind of go on a tangent about how despicable comedy and show business is?
Where you have people like Brian Williams and Henry Kissinger going on shows like 30 Rock and Jon Stewart go on his show and are legitimized, validated by these entertainers by having these fucking war criminals and the scum like Brian Williams on.
Yeah, no.
So they're untouchable.
Hillary Clinton did pretty much the exact same thing, and people think she will be the next person.
And she's going to be president.
It doesn't exactly happen.
Here, according to Stars and Stripes, this guy Reynolds, so Miller, Reynolds, and Michael Keefe, who was a door gunner on the damaged Chinook, said they all recall NBC reporting that Williams was aboard the aircraft that was attacked, despite it being false.
The NBC online archive shows the network broadcasts a news story on March 26, 2003 with the headline, Target Iraq.
Helicopter NBC Brian Williams was writing in comes under fire.
So that was from March 26, 2003.
That was the headline archived on NBC's website.
Target Iraq helicopter NBC's Brian Williams was writing in comes under fire.
O'Keefe said the incident had bothered him since he and others first saw the original report after returning to Kuwait.
Over the years, it faded, he said.
And then to see it again last week, I can't believe he's still telling that false narrative.
So does he know that he's lying, Brian Williams, or does he, at this point, think that that actually happened to him?
I think either way is pretty damning.
Seems like the kind of thing you could get confused about, you know?
I guess he's as to whether people shot at me or not all the time.
In a plane, in a couple of years, I spent a couple of weeks in Afghanistan.
And, you know, when my plane came under fire, what happened?
Oh, wait a minute.
I can't remember if I came under fire.
I would remember.
Right.
If a plane I was in came under fire.
Jimmy, don't you remember when we stormed the beaches of Normandy?
Oh, wait, that wasn't us.
Oh, no.
No, that.
Oh, you know.
Now, instead of Tim Turpin, he's claiming Ben Turpin was with him and just didn't see the whole thing.
A Ben Turpin joke.
Well done.
Thank you very much.
Very nice.
Very nicely done.
So I'm just glad that the rest of the country is catching on to what we've been saying about Brian Williams for quite a long time.
That he's a mouthpiece for the military industrial complex.
He took, you know, my big question to Brian Williams was, you know, he worked for General Electric.
They owned NBC all the way through the Iraq war.
My question for him was, how many checks do you take from a defense contractor in the middle of an illegal war before you stop calling yourself a journalist?
The answer is endless.
He never stopped.
He always called himself a journalist while getting paid by a defense contractor in the middle of an illegal war.
In fact, he brought on more people to lobby for defense contractors, and he didn't tell us they were doing that.
So again, by the way, nothing, you're right, Brad.
Nothing's going to happen.
His career is going to go on.
He's going to be on Jimmy Fallon, I'm sure, later on this week, and they're all going to have a good laugh about it because everybody likes Brian Williams.
He's very affable.
He's funny.
I take his improv class.
On the phone, we have Fox News host, author Bill O'Reilly.
Hey, Bill, how are you?
I'm doing good, Jimmy.
So I hear that your liberal news war, Brian Williams, is a big liar.
Yeah, well, first of all, Bill, he's not a liberal.
Okay.
He took checks from defense contractors all the way through the Iraq war and brought on generals that were on the payroll of defense contractors to make the case for more war and more money being spent on the wars without ever disclosing that to his viewers that they were being paid by war profiteers.
So he's not really liberal.
He's more of a mouthpiece for the war machine.
Oh, he's not liberal.
Of course he's liberal.
Ask yourself one question.
Does he work for Fox News or any other right-wing news organization?
No.
That means he's liberal.
He couldn't be more liberal if he was Michael Moore performing a gay wedding ceremony at an abortion clinic.
I don't care how much money's taken from defense contractors during a legal war.
He's a liberal liar lying about his war record.
And that pisses off people who've actually seen combat like myself.
Bill, I've pointed out how he's a liar on my show before.
And when exactly did you see combat?
I've covered four wars with a pen, you pansy.
And cowards like Williams falsely claiming valor really frost my ass.
You know, covering a war as a reporter is not the same as fighting in a war, you moron.
Okay, Dor, I'm going to give you the last word.
It's my show, Bill.
You can't give me the last word.
Shut up.
I'm not going to shut up on my own show, Bill.
Cut his mic.
Why isn't someone cutting his mic?
Because it's my show, Bill.
I'm going to cut your mic if you don't stop it.
Oh, I'd love to see you try it, Jimmy.
I'd love to see you try.
You don't have the ball to cut my mic.
Evil comedy queer.
Cutting people's mics before you were eating it on evening at the improv.
Brian Williams is a lying liberal, and you know it.
I'm so sick of you with my ex-wife, and I will not stop it.
I will keep going and going and going because you don't have the ball.
Okay, we cut him off.
We cut off Bill O'Reilly.
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We got phone calls from Ron Paul, Liam Neeson, and our conversation with Brad Friedman.
Let's get okay.
A few weeks ago, we did our segment on Charlie Ebdo, and we quoted my good friend Brad Friedman from the Bradcast and the Brad blog during that segment, and he wanted to come back on the show and kind of rebut what we said.
So let's get to our conversation with Brad Friedman.
I'm glad to have this gentleman in the studio with us right now.
We have, you know, the last time we talked about Charlie Ebdo, we were talking about satire, and I played a little bit from the Bradcast, right?
Brad Friedman show here on KPFK.
And so here's what he said.
I'm not even talking about Islam or Muslim people in a positive or negative way.
You may have your opinions about them.
You may have your opinion about radical Islam.
You may have your opinion about extremists who call themselves Muslim.
That's fine.
That's okay.
But, you know, when you've got something like 1.7 billion people who generally take offense to depictions of the Prophet Muhammad, you can do it.
I just don't understand why you would want to.
And I don't understand how that makes anything better.
Okay, now, Brad, now, I disagreed with that point of view.
And now, can you, I say that there's 1.8 billion Muslims.
I think one of the points we made was there should be strength in numbers.
Ironic that there isn't.
And you don't see the point in offending them by having a picture of the Prophet Muhammad.
I do.
I think it's okay to make fun of people's superstition.
And if it offends them, it makes me a little happier.
So now, what do you say to that?
Well, I would say a couple of things.
First, you kind of pulled a Brian Williams there, taking my quote, and then it became that you shouldn't be able to do it.
I think you should be able to do it.
I'm a strong supporter of free speech.
Yeah.
Okay.
That said, My question was, why would you want to?
And you think, apparently, it's extra bonus funny because you're offending more people, right?
Yeah, you're offending people for having bad thinking.
So that's okay, I think.
And then you...
Offend them for bad thinking?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
You're saying that it's bad thinking that they're offended by this?
Yes.
Why is that bad?
So it's bad thinking to so for the Muslims who are afraid to have a cartoon image of the Prophet Muhammad to the point that it offends them.
They're not afraid.
They don't.
It offends them.
It offends them.
Yes.
So that's funny.
That's funny to me that that's hilarious.
Yeah.
Why would that, first of all, why would what somebody else draws have any bearing on what your personal relationship is with God or the Prophet Muhammad?
It doesn't have anything that, you know, what the KKK thinks about Jesus has nothing to do with me.
It wouldn't offend me.
You know what I mean?
So I don't understand how someone drawing a cartoon image of the Prophet Muhammad would offend them.
Well, first off, you just compared the KKK to Muslims.
No, no, no, no.
I was comparing me.
No, no, no.
No, no, no, no.
I was comparing KKK to me.
Like, so I'm saying something offensive.
If the KKK says something offensive about Christianity, it doesn't offend me.
Why would it offend a Christian?
Christians don't get offended by it.
You know what I mean?
Like, we just ignore them.
Okay.
We ignore the KKK.
Okay, but this is, you know, there's a lot of people that used to say in the South, you know, why are all these darkies so upset that we're putting on minstrel shows?
It's funny.
Okay.
Okay.
And.
But that would be not making fun of a bad thought that the African Americans had.
Yes, they were offended by it.
No, no, no.
You're making fun of them for being African American.
I'm not making fun of Muslims for being Arab.
I'm making fun of them for subscribing to a superstition.
You can make fun.
Is it a superstition if I paint a swastika on your door?
I mean, there's a reason why.
No, I didn't draw a cartoon on their door.
Okay.
But again, no.
So no, it's not that's a different, but I think that's a bad analogy.
There's a reason why, well, a couple of weeks ago when you talked about this on your show, that someone asked you, I can't remember who it was if these guys were here or not, but they asked you, do you use the N-word on stage?
Right.
And you said, generally you don't.
Why don't you?
Because I don't want to, first of all, it's not black people adhering to some kind of bad thinking or to a superstition.
Now I'm just using a word that was used to subjugate them, which was actually used to subjugate them in this country not too long ago.
In fact, just maybe in my lifetime.
So I draw an offensive picture.
So no, that's not – but what I'm saying is drawing a picture of the profit and using the N-word that's not analogous.
When this started back in 2005 when this Danish paper put out – Well, first, when this all came about, back in 2005, I think it was, a Danish paper, they put 12 pictures of Muhammad.
Some of them had, you know, instead of a scarf on, he had a bomb on his head.
Right.
Okay, they were offensive pictures, and they got death threats.
I don't think that's offensive.
It was not offensive.
That's good satire.
I think that pretty well illustrates how the Prophet Muhammad is being misused.
Misused.
By Islamist and jihadist extremists.
Yes.
And if that's your point, that's fine.
And when this is, hang on, when this was done back in 2005, that was their point.
And Charlie Ebdo, after these death threats happened to this Danish paper, Charlie Ebdo, in solidarity with this paper, said, we're going to print all of these cartoons as well.
I agree with that.
There was a purpose to it.
But in the 10 years since then, they've been doing it over and over again, and they are welcome to do it.
But again, what's the point?
And that was what I was doing on my show.
Oh, you're saying that they're just rubbing it in now, kind of?
Well, I was asking, why would you want to?
And by the way, we got some pretty decent answers.
Somebody said, and you guys talked a little bit about it, that it was kind of like Stephen Colbert, that Charlie Ebdo was doing this to make fun of the people who were making fun of Islam.
That's an okay explanation.
And that's why we opened it up on that show.
They weren't just making fun of the people who were making fun of Islam.
They were making fun of people who are extreme rights.
Right-wing, National Front, scumbags in France.
Yeah, so it was surprising to me that a lot of people misinterpreted the satire of Charlie Ebdo with the one talking about Boca Haram.
Let's talk about that one.
That's the one I use in the show.
So a lot of people, including Glenn Ringlo, who, again, by the way, these are all people who are smarter than me.
But I do have an expertise when it comes to comedy.
So they misinterpreted that cartoon.
I talked about it on the show.
They were lampooning the right-wing's version of those African women being raped by Boko Aram.
They weren't making fun of those African women.
And then a lot of people in the West misinterpreted that satire as being racist, right?
No, the others can tell me.
Oh, I'm sorry.
but it wasn't racist, right?
So my point is, you said what?
Some people feel that it was racist.
Yeah, but it wasn't.
So that's so.
Well, it was somewhat grotesque the way it was drawn.
You know, so was Archie Bunker.
Archie Bunker was very grotesque, insulting.
He was all those things.
So was Stephen Colbert.
He's very ignorant and stupid and backwards, but he's parody.
So if you go home and go, that Stephen Colbert is a jerk, you're missing the point of Stephen Colbert.
Same thing with Archie Bunker.
He didn't put on blackface.
Stephen Colbert didn't.
No.
Now, there was a reason why he didn't.
Because there are certain things.
But putting on blackface isn't making fun of the right wing.
It's making fun of blacks.
Here's the point.
So you're getting a bad analogy.
Say that again.
That blackface is a bad analogy to Stephen Colbert.
Stephen Colbert would be lampooning people who put on blackface.
He's not putting...
So what he's doing is he's putting on a conservative face, making fun of conservatives by pretending to be one, which is what that cartoon in Charlie Ebdo did.
If he did that, but he doesn't do that.
He didn't do that.
And he actually made a joke about it with his Chinese character that somebody misinterpreted.
My point was, I was asking, you know, why would you want to do this?
And the fact was, remember, you were taking the side of the right-wingers in this one, Jimmy, because when this came out, all of a sudden, you had all of these people saying it was an outrage that people, that New York Times would not run these cartoons, that AP would not run these cartoons.
Even the cartoonists who cartooned in tribute the day that this happened, almost all of them avoided drawing the Prophet Muhammad.
Why?
Well, because there's about 1.8 million people that you mentioned that have done nothing wrong here, that are not part of this extremist group.
Go after the goddamn extremists.
Go after Boko Haram.
Go after the right-wingers in Paris.
In France, the Muslim community is a minority community.
And so you're just, you know, you're afflicting the afflicted when you go after them because you think, oh, their belief is stupid.
A lot of people feel, that's why I used the swastika narrative before.
A lot of people feel that, oh, it's Stupid that we can't show a swastika.
It's an Indian good luck symbol.
But for some reason, there is a huge group of people who are offended by the swastika.
So as a courtesy, we don't use it generally unless it's to make a point.
So when you've got the right-wingers coming out and saying, you know, it's outrageous.
We must show this, you know, these Muslim cartoons or else we're, you know, with the terrorist or some nonsense like that.
Those same people, had it been Charlie Ebdo or any, you know, anybody using a swastika, and then they were bombed or shot by some radical Jewish organization.
Do you think those same people would come out and say, therefore, we must show swastikas.
We must print them in the paper.
Again, it's a different analogy.
I think that's analogies fly.
I know all analogies are imperfect.
These are really imperfect.
I don't see how they're imperfect.
Warner Brothers cartoons use swastikas, right?
But Jim, but when they stop, you're doing.
You're conflating, drawing a picture of the Prophet Muhammad, which was not used to kill Jews.
You know what I mean?
With using a swastika, which is, again, it's equivalent to the N-word in a sense, where that it was used to dominate people, to subjugate people, and for genocide.
So that's a different thing.
So for me, and by the way, you say it's okay to make fun of the extremists, right, in religion.
You're all for that.
Sure.
I grew up Catholic.
I was just a regular run-of-the-mill Catholic with all my brothers and sisters and everybody in my neighborhood.
That's who I like to make fun of.
Run-of-the-mill religious people, because what they believe is, to me, just as ridiculous as what extremists believe.
They're just a little bit more ridiculous.
Superstition is superstition, and it's infected every part of our culture worldwide.
So I'm against religion in all forms, anywhere I see it.
And I think it's okay to make fun of people for the religious beliefs.
I agree with that 100%.
My only quibble with Charlie Ebdo is whether or not they were successful in it, whether or not their joke was funny.
Yeah, so it's got to be fun.
You can't just be, I'm for being funny.
So go ahead.
I want to give you a question.
No, listen, I don't mind.
Make fun of religion.
That's fine.
But you're deciding what people should or shouldn't be offended about.
And I think that whatever their religion is, by the way, I'm with you.
I think all religion is pretty stupid.
Okay.
That's offensive to some people.
You're resentful.
You just offended people.
Right.
And if I got a lot of complaints about it, and if I got really, if I got a lot of complaints about it and it upset people, I would probably consider that and think about, well, do I want to go on air constantly, constantly, not just once, but constantly for 10 years talking about how stupid religion is.
I would think about it.
Anyway, I don't say you can't do it.
I'm just saying, why would you want to?
And I think it was a good question.
You can say precisely why you would want to.
Why?
Because comedy and satire are designed.
They exist to challenge the status quo.
And challenging the status quo is by its nature not a polite endeavor.
The status quo in France is not.
Now, that's a good point.
So let me just say two quick points.
We were running out of time.
The first thing is that thing about, so they're the minority in France, and you're kind of picking on a minority.
Now, that's a real thing.
They were picking on the people who are picking on the minority.
So they were sometimes picking on Islam, and they were sometimes picking on the people who were picking on the Muslims in France.
So they were sometimes making fun of Islam.
And you would take that as, no, you're picking on a minority in France because they are a minority in France.
You're not picking on the powerful.
But in a sense, but in a sense, they did because they lost their lives for it because they were picking on a powerful religion.
Even though those people happen to be the minority in their own country, they were taking on a powerful worldwide religion, which is Islam.
So it's like, I'm sorry that the minority Muslims live in my country, but I still have to make fun of Islam.
You know what I mean?
So they're in a tough spot.
They're satirists.
They have to make fun of groupthink.
That's what we like to do.
And then it's just unfortunate for them.
And I think they did try to stick up for the Muslims when it was appropriate in their country by lampooning the right wing, which is what people misinterpreted.
So I'm not saying, I know, I don't think you were, I don't think, I agree with, I hope I didn't say that you were saying we weren't allowed to make fun of them.
I was just trying, I was taking issue with the people.
I just used you as a representative, by the way, Brad.
You were not alone in this.
You were representing what I consider to be the mainstream thought on this.
Most people were saying what you said, and that's why I used you as a.
No, no, I think most people were saying, how dare they?
I am Charlie Ebdo.
And I was not saying I am Charlie Ebdo.
I'm saying, I don't know why.
Yeah, and then it started to swing back.
You're right.
So a lot of people said, I am Charlie Ebdo, even people who are not for free speech.
So we opened it up.
So we challenged the status quo, which was that, oh, I am Charlie Ebdo.
We challenged that status quo.
We opened it up and we said, why would you want to do this?
You answered that call, in essence, by discussing it.
I think that's a good thing.
And, you know, we took calls on that because, you know, on our show, we do a live show and we take real callers.
And this is what I get.
This is what I get.
And by the way, the Brad blog, I get it delivered to my email every day.
It's a great blog.
A lot of great information.
He does real reporting.
And this is the thanks I get for reading that.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
No, it was great.
Thanks for coming in, Brad.
Thanks for inviting me on to talk about it finally.
We'll love to have you back.
Yeah, right.
Ha!
*phone rings*
This is Jimmy.
Jimmy, it's Liam.
Oh, hi, Mr. Neeson.
Liam Neeson.
Yes.
Hi.
How are you?
Yes, you always know the question to ask, don't you?
How are things in New York?
Jimmy, as you know, I live in New York.
Yes, I just asked you.
Well, I listened to your program on the local wireless station WBAI.
The boy.
I know that.
Where you are on at 3 a.m. on Sunday night.
Yeah, Liam, we're really not happy about that.
Right between the wonderful world of folk churches.
Right, yeah, right.
An all things well song.
Okay.
Which is a show they put on for people trying to come down from a cocaine jack.
So, Liam, how was the blizzard?
Jimmy, as you know, we had a blizzard here in New York.
Yeah, I was just saying.
But the worst of it missed us.
But I hear it's pretty cold.
However, it was bitterly cold here, Miss.
Right.
It reminds me of something my grandmother used to say.
What's that?
It's so cold I want to kill a British soldier and wear his skin like a coat.
Your grandmother said that?
It also reminds me of something else my old grand used to say.
What's that?
Liam, she'd say, Liam, it's so cold I think my dick is going to fall off.
Okay, did she really say that?
It reminds me of one other thing my dear old grandmama used to say.
She said more.
Liam, she'd say, taking a long swig of paint in her.
Liam, my boy, it's so cold out, you'll probably die like all of my other grandchildren.
Okay, Liam, there's no way she said that.
It's the global warming that's doing it, Jimmy.
What's that?
The global warming.
It's where the globe warms thus causing strange weather events like this, like this blizzard.
Something like 56% of Republicans deny what you just said.
I know.
At times like this, they say things like, I don't know about this global warming thing.
It seems pretty cool to me.
And then they laugh their little laughs.
Yeah, I know.
I hate that.
Do you know what I do when that happens?
No, what?
I flat out murder that person.
What?
And then dump their naked corpse from Republic with a rolled-up almanac stuffed in their pooper.
Liam, do you really do that?
I don't know.
Maybe I don't.
And again, maybe I do.
You know, we're at the opposite end of the climate change here in LA.
We're in the middle of record drought.
Yes, I was out there recently and I was quite dry.
It's like my grandmother used to say.
She had something to say about being dry.
Liam, she'd say that she was shooting white tar heroin between her toes.
Liam, I'm so dry out.
I better moisturize my skin.
That doesn't seem like something you'd remember.
Moisturize with the plasma of an English soldier.
Oh.
And sure enough, Jimmy, she'd go out and murder some poor liny bastard, separate his platelets from his plasma, and gently gobbled into her skin while singing Tura Laura Lura.
Okay, Liam, there's no way that happened.
Jimmy, could I have a photograph of you?
Sure.
I'd like to display it in my sitting room.
Do you want me to sign it?
Oh, gosh.
I had hoped, but you goes.
What do you want me to say on it?
If you could just mention that we're friends, that would be marvelous.
Sure.
Of course, I'll send you something in return.
That's not necessary.
No, I've already made you a mixtape.
Okay, well, thanks.
Thanks, Liam.
Thank you, Jimmy.
Thank you.
Until next we meet, Jimmy.
Farewell, and I do who you fair Spanish ladies.
Farewell and a do who, you ladies of Spain.
Liam.
Farewell and a do who, you, Jimmy, door ladies.
Farewell and a do who, you ladies of public radio.
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