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Sept. 17, 2011 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Hey, little brother, Jimmy Dora.
This is Governor Rick Perry.
I've been doing good running for president.
Have you seen me?
I did the tea party debate on CNN the other night and I kicked some ass, Texas style.
Watch him.
Michelle Bachman tried to hogtie me about some donation from some company, but I talked that woman down and she couldn't even look me in the eye.
She had to stare off at Wolf Blitzer's weird beard just to get some measure of comfort.
That guy looks like a Jewish werewolf.
You cannot f ⁇ with Rick Perry, son.
Mitt Romney tried to act all tough, but just looked like a rusty tin robot trying not to squeak.
That guy's a Wilton Lily, man.
And they put him right next to me, too.
Like putting strawberry shortcake next to him, man.
People dig my message, JD.
That's what it comes down to.
They like the idea of the federal government being dismantled.
The EPA, FDA, all that needless alphabet soup stuff being reduced to the state level.
Let the states take care of it.
Down in Texas, we don't need no federal bureaucrat telling me that my milk is safe to drink or my freeways are properly constructed.
But when I pay for a gallon of gas, I actually get one gallon of gas.
I got dudes I went to high school with who will get those jobs and make those decisions.
Also, each state should have its own space program.
NASA's been messed with by federal bureaucrats, too.
Works for us.
NASA's already in Texas.
We just take it over.
TASA, suck it, Wisconsin.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's the Jimmy Dore show.
It's the show that makes Anderson Cooper say.
It starts talking to your TV.
So sit back or sit up or keep driving.
Now, here's a guy who sounds a lot like me.
It's Jimmy Dore.
Hi, everybody.
Welcome to today's Jimmy Doer show.
I'm joined in studio from, oh, well, it used to be from TBS's Dinner and a Movie.
Last Saturday was the last dinner and a movie on TBS.
But now from the Mental Illness Happy Hour Podcast, it's Paul Gilmartin.
Hi, Paul.
Hello, James.
We'll play some sad music underneath that lady.
And also next to him from Team Yasamura, it's Robert Yasimura, fresh back from vacation.
Hi, Robert.
How are you?
I'm good.
Robert was in the hurricane.
Oh, yeah.
It was nothing.
It was nothing.
You did lose power for a couple days.
For a couple days.
That's not that to me.
Because I was in Massachusetts where if you sneeze wrong, you lose power.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
I didn't know that.
Okay, over and then over to his left, former writer for The Daily Show and hilarious comedian Steve Rosenfield.
Hi, Steve.
How are you?
Jimmy, how are you?
I'm good.
What's coming up on today's show?
Well, there was another GOP debate, and this time the Tea Party, it was a tea party debate.
Did anybody see the Tea Party debate on Monday?
I couldn't.
I couldn't do that to myself.
Well, there was an intellectual discourse that was said to be on the snooky level.
And we're going to take a look at some of the more controversial moments, like when they were plotting the death penalty, executing people.
Yeah, they applauded that, but that's all they have left since lynching is illegal, right?
Actually, the audience showed a lot of discipline because when they heard the word execute, it was all they could do to not make out with each other.
Very arousing.
We're going to talk about that.
And hey, did you get your fill of the 9-11 coverage?
I don't know if you noticed.
Oh, was it the anniversary?
It was the anniversary of 9-11.
I had no idea.
I gained a little weight from all the chocolate I ate from my 9-11 Advents calendar.
Well, as Newt Gingrich said, that we celebrated 9-11.
We just celebrated 9-11.
That's what he said.
So I wonder what kind of cake you get for that.
That's my, so we're going to talk about that, how people looked at 9-11.
We're going to go to Doris Kearns-Goodwin, this historian.
And she's a mother and historian.
She brings her, she has a veteran for a son.
They come on to talk about the joys of warfare, ladies and gentlemen.
I wish I was kidding.
That's what's coming up from Doris Kearns-Goodwin.
Plus, Ann Coulter agrees with us about Sarah Palin.
Who knew?
Wow.
Who knew?
Okay, so, and we're going to talk about that.
Ann Coulter and Laura Ingram agree with us about Sarah Palin, and they've been keeping it inside all these years.
Plus, Michelle Bachman says the HPV vaccine causes mental retardation.
It's good to know she's up on all her shots.
How many times was she taking?
Now there's a new block of voters too smart to vote for her.
Okay, plus we have phone calls from Rick Perry.
We have a conversation with Ron Paul.
He's going to sit down and talk healthcare with us.
Plus, a lot lot more coming up on today's Jimmy Dore show.
Time for another installment of Oh My God.
Okay, today's Oh my God segment, we have a favorite in today's Oh My God segment, Pat Robertson is back on the warpath, ladies and gentlemen.
Friend of the show, Pat Robertson, who previously told a woman who was afraid her husband was flirting, flirting right in front of her, said, well, make yourself look pretty.
And don't nag him.
That was his advice.
So we got some more of that advice coming up, right?
I am never not soothed by somebody saying something horrifying in a calm, rational voice.
Yes.
And since it is the anniversary of 9-11, what did he blame 9-11 on?
Oh, 9-11 was, he blamed it at the secularists and the feminists and the homosexuals and the lesbian.
Okay.
Well, Jerry Falwell was one who said that.
And he goes, I point the finger at them.
And then Pat Robertson agreed with him.
And then he later said that he didn't understand what Jerry Falwell was saying when he agreed with him.
So, but here's, well, here's some more proof that he did understand what Jerry Falwell was saying.
They have a segment on his show where someone emails in a question, and then he has a nice lady read him the question, and then he gives the answer.
Okay, ready?
Here we go.
This is Andreas, who says, I have a friend whose wife suffers from Alzheimer's.
She doesn't even recognize him anymore.
And as you can imagine, the marriage has been rough.
My friend has gotten bitter at God for allowing his wife to be in that condition.
And now he started seeing another woman.
He says that he should be allowed to see other people because his wife, as he knows her, is gone.
I'm not quite sure what to tell him.
Please help.
Oh, that is a terribly hard thing.
It is, I hate Alzheimer's.
It is one of the most awful things because here's the loved one.
This is the woman or man that you have loved for 20, 30, 40 years.
And suddenly that person is gone.
They're gone.
They are gone.
So.
So he understands.
So it sounds like he understands how painful it is.
He sounds like he might have it.
Sounds like they're gone.
All right.
So now he sounds like he's really on board.
He's getting up.
He's building up some compassion.
Sure.
And here's where it goes.
What he says basically is correct.
But I know it sounds cruel, but if he's going to do something, he Should divorce her and start all over again.
He should divorce her and start all over again.
Hey, my wife got sick.
What should you do?
Well, I think you should, if you're going to do something, you should probably divorce her and start all over again.
I know it sounds cruel, but that's the best thing for him to do.
Okay, there's a little bit more to this.
To make sure she has custodial care.
Oh, sure.
You make sure she has custodial care.
Somebody looking after her.
Yeah, you get somebody else.
Maybe you get somebody else to, I don't know, vow to stay with her in sickness and in health.
She's back on the market.
It's always best having somebody by their side that doesn't have to go through the pain of having known them.
Yes, that's exactly.
Yeah, you get a stranger to take care of you.
That's why you get married.
So at the end, if one of you gets sick, the other one can divorce you.
And then, you know what?
She actually brings it up to him.
Isn't that the vow that we take when we marry someone?
For better, for worse, for richer people.
No, if you respect that vow, but you can say, let death do its part.
This is the kind of death.
So apparently you get to interpret that.
Death has an interpretation.
Sickness and in health, I guess, wow.
Yes.
So abortion, you know.
Right.
Starts at conception, but once you, once you start forgetting things, life ends.
Yes.
If your heart is still beating, and that's, that doesn't matter.
You're not alive.
That's a death.
And so when you say till death do us part, what you're really saying is, you know, not really.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But really.
Until you're a burden.
What's interesting here is though that Pat Robertson, he understands, like, you know what?
This guy's lonely.
He does need to be with other people.
Okay.
And he says, but you have to do it the technical way.
You have to get divorced.
Right.
He can't deal with the black, the gray area of like, you know what?
You should stay married and you should go and have a girlfriend.
He can't handle that.
It would be better to completely.
We get her into court and divorce that.
So-and-so.
Yeah, that's what, you know what?
That's what a Christian would do.
A Christian doesn't go behind her back.
A Christian divorces her when she's there.
So are you telling me that someone on the religious right is being rigidly illogical?
Yeah.
That is exactly what I'm saying.
That is shocking, Jimmy.
Okay.
All right.
So that was our oh my God segment.
This has been, oh my God.
Oh my God.
So I think officially I'm not going to build it up next time because that was just as shocking as any clip we've ever played on this show.
That was shocking.
He is cruel.
But you got to edit this maybe because that is cruel.
This might sound cruel, but leave her, deserter.
Yeah.
But you have to understand that it's always tempered by who's saying it.
Yes, I guess you're right.
So there's no shock that Pat Roberts had said so.
I was idiotic and hypocritical.
Right.
But what I was actually shocked that he was sitting there saying, this guy, my wife is sick.
What should I do?
You should divorce her.
I was actually.
What does she look like?
Is she old?
What's her cup size?
Can she still just lay there?
Is she still?
I mean, if you can still enjoy a little bit of fornication.
I mean, it sounds cruel.
She can't get away, so you should be able to do anything.
Yeah, I mean, she is your wife.
I gotta go.
She doesn't want you to be lonely.
Oh, God, that voice he has has gotten creepier over the years.
Well, his son now does the show, and he is the king of the whisper.
His son will talk like this.
When Jesus tells you to come to come to Jesus, it's a pain that you can feel.
That's how he talks the whole time.
Okay, I hope that wasn't annoying for people.
We have to move on.
We'll talk about it.
Now, 9-11, the anniversary came, right?
And came and went, and it was fantastic.
I mean, it was in the words of Eddie Pepetone, 9-11 now has turned into an advertisement for the Pentagon.
And it really is.
And then they tied in with football.
Somehow, football always has to do with 9-11 and the troops.
And even though we don't care about the troops.
So Doris Kearns-Goodwin, if you know she's the historian, you always see her on the TV.
And she seems like a nice lady.
Well, they brought her on the David Gregory show, The Meet the Press, to talk about 9-11 and what it meant.
Well, her son was actually a Harvard grad who Yale.
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, Yale.
He was Ivy League.
Yeah.
Ivy League grad who then enlisted on September 12th of 2001.
Okay.
And well, I'll just hear, I'll just let him tell this story.
I don't know how to exactly set this up.
And I want to say that this guy is a hero, right?
When he won the bronze star.
You get the bronze star for being a valiant guy.
And I'm not taking anything away from him.
But I'm going to examine kind of the what he did and what Doris Kearns-Goodwin did was kind of institute a shallowness into the 9-11 remembrance that kind of was offensive to me.
And the fact that they didn't really talk about the real consequences of 9-11 or the real consequences of the war or what we've been doing because of it.
You know, I think that every horrible thing that our government ever wanted to do, they now have an excuse to do.
And the excuse is 9-11.
Hey, you want to wiretap people?
Hey, 9-11.
Hey, you want to legally read your email?
9-11.
You want to grope people at the airport to get us ready for totalitarianism?
9-11.
You got terrorists.
Hey, you want to spend trillions of dollars on the military-industrial complex at the same time, firing teachers, cops, and firemen, and reducing Medicare and Social Security?
9-11.
You know, I think you're right, Jimmy.
I think the government has really ruined 9-11 for all of us.
It was supposed to be about football.
It's supposed to be about football.
No, so no matter what, want to torture people?
9-11.
You want to invade an illegal country, illegally invaded a country?
9-11.
So we have to keep doing all these things, 9-11, and I think it's ruined it, you know?
And let's remember, you know, my whole thing is, yes, on 9-11, 3,000 people died tragically, and it actually worked that it put terror and fear into the hearts of a lot of people.
Yeah.
Terrorists won.
The terrorists have won.
No more phone calls, ladies and gentlemen.
We have a winner.
We have a winner.
I wouldn't say the terrorists won, but I'd say they scored more points than most people want to honestly admit.
They're way ahead right now.
When we're firing teachers, cops, and firemen, and we still keep three wars going, they're winning.
Plus, we've turned into a more fascist country.
Yes.
And they got us to spend trillions of dollars.
I mean, that alone is a huge win.
Exactly what Osama bin Laden was hoping for is what happened.
But this is what you won't hear on Meet the Press.
This is what you're not going to hear.
Nobody talked about any of this stuff.
It was all this rah-rah.
And it was kind of, well, here, I'm just going to, here's Doris Kearns-Goodwin's son talking about when he decided to sign up.
Well, I was sort of playing.
I graduated college in the spring of 2001.
I was getting ready to go work at a political consultancy down in Washington down here.
And I sort of tossed around the idea of going to the Army, but never took it seriously.
Then after September 11th, I realized that my world was sort of inexorably changed as it was for a lot of people.
I remember I went in to see my mom, and I said, well, I guess I know what I'm doing now.
She goes, yeah, you're not joining the Army, right?
And I go, well, you know, it might be the opposite.
So on September 12th, I went down to the closest army recruiting station, signed the paperworks.
For what I thought was three years, ended up being six, which is a lifelong lesson in sort of reading fine print.
Ha ha ha.
And then he laughs about it.
Yeah, so here's a guy from Yale who decides to go down and serve his country, which is what they always say.
This is how you serve your country.
You sign up for the military, and he got hoodwinked into serving twice as long as he thought he was volunteering for.
So when you go down to volunteer, the government on purpose screws you.
He's not some well, why don't you read the, why didn't you read the contract you were signing?
Here's a guy from Yale who missed it.
Okay.
Now, you're talking about most people who go into the military just have a high school education or less.
You think they're going to be able to discern what they're signing.
So this guy gets screwed over by his government.
And let's see how he reacts to it again.
Let me just hear what he's saying.
So on September 12th, I went down to the closest army recruiting station, signed the paperworks for what I thought was three years, ended up being six, which is a lifelong lesson sort of reading fine print.
But that being said, it turned out to be an incredible experience.
Yes, that'd be, ha ha, as you read the fine print.
Your country screws you over when you risk your life for them.
That's what he says.
Instead of like, wow, that's kind of screwy.
They should change that.
Shouldn't there be a cooling off period like when you buy a gun if you get a recruit after a tragedy?
Wait two days.
Think about it.
Right.
Yeah.
But that's his, so that, and then he goes, but it was, and then at the very end of the day.
By the way, so you know what happened to him is it used to be that if you went into a combat situation, your time in the army was less than the standard enlistment.
Yes.
Yes.
And what happened was he got stop lost.
And it used to be like, if you sign up for the army, now it's like a three-year enlistment.
Right.
Because it's shorter than the Air Force or the Navy because you're probably, there's a good chance you'll see combat.
Right.
But what happened was it was.
No, it's exactly the same.
He got stop lost on a big promise.
That used to be the reason to join the Army or the Marines is because it's a much shorter tour of duty.
And it's even shorter if you see comments.
It should be shorter if you see Congress.
Yes, but then they stop lost him.
Because they couldn't have a draft because they knew if they did the draft, then people would begin to research why we were really going to war and there would be a popular uprising.
Which is why there should be a draft.
Yeah.
Because it makes the country.
And people keep saying, and even during this interview, they went on to lament how people aren't invested in these wars.
People aren't involved.
It's like the country's not at war, just the military.
I'm like, yeah, why do you think that is?
They never go, it's because we have people like you signing up.
People who should know better.
People who want to, your mother's a historian, and you join the military.
Your mother's a historian.
Okay, so here's Doris Kearns-Goodwin.
Let's go to Doris Kearns-Goodwin.
And here's what she had to say about it.
At the very beginning, I was so proud of his decision.
I thought he would be part of a whole generation that were going to join and do something to help our country.
So she says, at first, she was very excited.
She was very proud of her son that they're going to join the military.
She was thrilled for him to have.
Let me just say, Doris Kearns-Goodwin is a historian who doesn't know people die in war, apparently.
I was thrilled that my son, at first, I was thrilled, she says.
She seems to think it's like this generational thing that people are sometimes lucky enough to participate in.
Oh, I was thrilled that he was going to have this chance to participate.
No, I got to disagree.
You know, on September 12th, it was obvious that we'd been attacked by somebody.
So, what is the problem with somebody signing up because they know that they want to participate in fighting whoever it was that attacked them?
I'm not saying the mother of the soldier.
I'm not saying that.
Even so, why?
I'm not saying that it was wrong for him to sign up.
I get that you want to serve.
Right.
And what's wrong with her being proud that her son signed up?
Nothing wrong with her being proud.
I think what she said was she was thrilled.
Yeah.
Let me play it again.
And let's break it down because this is important.
All right.
Odd choice of women.
No, no.
Yeah.
I think it's not only the odd choice of words.
It's what she's not.
It was also what they weren't saying on the show.
They weren't saying, like, again, like, hey, we screw people over in the military.
They laugh about it.
Like, I had to go six years in war.
So that was him.
And then here's her.
And as an historian, I was thrilled for him that he would have that experience.
But then once Iraq was there, and once we started getting letters back from him from Iraq, very, very scary kinds of things.
He even didn't tell us half of what was going on.
Then you wake up like any military family does.
And every time you read something, you worry, will something happen?
You obsessively look at the television, then you don't want to look at the television.
Okay, so she says, I thought he was going to be a part of a generation that was going to join and do something to help our country, even though I'm a historian.
And I know that that's not the case.
That the military is typically used as an instrument of corporate greed, especially in this day and age.
And to go to war over oil again, which is what's going to happen.
So she had no perspective.
She's a historian, and she's like, at first, I thought I was hoping a lot of people would join the military.
As a historian, that's how you hope people serve.
Join the military.
That's my point.
And the other thing is Iraq, which didn't attack us, and she's a historian and should know that what we're doing in Iraq, if we were attacked at 9-11 by these other guys.
Exactly.
She's a historian, and she should know the history.
She should know.
Especially our own military history.
Also a Democrat, I believe.
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
Probably.
Most historians are.
I believe that she was a liberal.
Okay, so here we go.
And as a historian, I was thrilled for him that he would have that experience.
As a historian, I was thrilled that he would have that experience.
That experience in the meantime of going to a foreign country and killing people for no reason and watching other people be killed.
What experience is she talking about?
Very bad experience.
He's not going off to make a buddy cop picture, right?
He's not going to join the crazy frat on campus.
He's going to a foreign country that didn't invade us to kill people and then watch other people be killed around him and then come home.
So she is thrilled that first she was thrilled he was going to have that experience.
But then...
He even didn't tell us half of what was going on.
Then you wake up like any military family does.
And every time you read something, you worry, will something happen?
You obsessively look at the television, then you don't want to look at the television.
Okay, so I'm just going to back it up again and say, as a historian, she was thrilled.
And then when he got to Iraq, it was like, oh, yeah, he's in a war zone.
I might should have known that since I'm a historian and everything.
Shit, then it seems like, oh, when he got there, that's when I was really scared.
He was when he was in Iraq.
Oh, oh, my God, that's right.
They're killing people and people are trying to kill him.
Oh, that's the whole point of a war.
I forgot.
That's what's happening.
And again, but then she has more to say.
I think the hardest part for me, to be honest, was not Iraq, because we got through that.
He did well.
He did incredibly well.
But then he came back home.
And then, like so many others, he was called back to another tour of duty.
And it came to our house, the gobbledygook from the military.
I couldn't quite read it saying, I think you're being called back to active service in Afghanistan.
And I had to tell him he was working down here at NBC.
But all those ranging emotions as a mother, as an historian, in the end, I think he has seen a world he would not otherwise have seen.
I am so proud of him.
In the end, he has seen a world he would otherwise not have seen.
I am so proud of him.
That was, you know, let me just say, my mom, okay, my mom loved my Mom.
She raised 12 kids, so a lot of stuff fell through the cracks.
But she did this pretty normal thing where she instinctively worried about my safety first and then was happy for me when it was appropriate to be happy for me.
And I'm not, you know, I'm talking about when I made my decision to go into entertainment, my mom got worried.
Okay.
Doris Kearns, Goodwin, needs a letter back from a war zone before she starts getting concerned about her son going to war.
What I'm saying is Doris Kearns is a sh mother and an even crappier historian.
Okay.
I agree with you.
That's what I'm saying.
I mean, it's fine to be proud of your child for serving their country.
Yeah.
And, but wouldn't it be nice if he served his country by doing something that was actually needed in that other country?
Like, I don't know, a mailman, right?
Or a fireman or an electrician.
Because, you know, we ruined their infrastructure over in Iraq.
Like, and now they're still back.
You know how they're back to three hours of electricity a day over in Iraq, right?
Three hours of electricity.
I'm glad to get it, too.
Yeah, right.
Before it was because, you know, Saddam was taking that money, the energy to put power in his golden palaces and to power rape rooms.
But now it's just because, you know, it's just because we suck.
That's why they only have three hours of electricity.
The whole Iraq thing was such a disaster.
You know, how many hundreds of thousands of people killed?
Women and children rounded up by our troops and killed in the fog of war.
He's proud of all of that.
And not one regret.
By the way, I mean, I can't play the whole interview, but it was all that stuff.
It was all that I'm proud.
What a great experience.
He wouldn't have ever had this experience.
What experience are you talking about?
About being drafted, about going into a military.
I'm seeing the horrors, the horrors of war, going into a foreign country, destroying that country, killing people for no reason.
But you're making the assumption that there was nothing good was done for the people of Iraq while soldiers were there, which I disagree with.
There was some good that was done.
There was, true, we lit the powder keg that had been festering between Sony and Shiki.
Shii.
Yes.
We allowed that to happen when we created a power vacuum.
But that being said, there was a lot of stuff that our soldiers did over there where we protected people, where we did other things.
So I'm talking about the individual soldier.
Oh, he did, you know, he was a great administration it up.
But the individual soldiers.
That's why I'm saying.
But they don't ever say that.
They don't ever go, hey, and you know, all in all, it was a horrible war.
We shouldn't have been there.
It really accomplished very little.
It was a tremendous one.
It was none of that.
It was all about this great experience he had.
And ha ha, it's all good.
In the end, he lived, so I'm thrilled.
Right.
And I'm proud.
And it's just like, you know, it's okay like the mom to Gary Sinise's character in Forrest Gump.
Like, where it's like, all of your predecessors have died in war, and that's what you're going to do.
Yeah.
You know, like, it's.
And the problem with this isn't content.
It's tone.
Yeah.
It's you know that she's not.
Yeah, and her level of enthusiasm.
It's like, okay, your kid fought bravely for something he believes in.
Okay, fine.
Be proud.
But maybe lend it the solemnity that's appropriate to a job that involves killing someone else.
Yeah.
That's what I'm talking about.
And, you know, you can gush with pride that he won the bronze medal while saving his fellow soldiers.
But at this, you know, you can make lemonade out of a situation, Paul.
I think that's what you were saying.
There was some lemonade made over there.
Yes.
But it was a bunch.
It's very overpriced because Blackwater sold it.
But under, so that was my end.
Blackwater.
Who am I thinking of?
You're thinking of Halliburton.
Halliburton.
Yeah.
Either way.
Blackwater shot some people approaching the lemonade store.
Got off scot-free.
I'm all right.
And changed their name.
It turns out they were reaching for change.
You know what?
Rick Perry called me again.
Well, he's chatty.
He's got some stuff on his mind.
NASA's been chapping my ass for decades.
This beacon of scientific research in our own backyard.
Once space stuff is done at the state level, we'll make sure that accurate, approved science comes out of TASA.
We will launch the Jerry Falwell Telescope into deep space.
And it will send back images from lot years away that prove that the universe is no older than 6,000 years old.
And children will be educated every year at the new and improved Johnson Space Center and Creationist Museum.
State's rats, bitches.
That was a short one.
Yeah, yeah.
He just had, you know, he like he gets in mid-thought, and then he calls back, and he's like, that's right, TASA.
I like he calls it TASA.
I like that, that he already is on that.
It's not NASA, it's TASA.
Okay, but right now we're up against a hard break, and this is the Jimmy Dore Show on Pacifica.
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All right, what's coming up on the second half of today's show?
Well, well, we're going to talk about a little bit of the GOP debate.
We're going to play some clips from that.
And we're also going to hear from Ron Paul and Governor Perry calls us in a few more times.
All right, so let's talk about it.
Let's talk about the GOP debate, shall we?
Let's go back one week ago.
And they talk about the GOP debate.
The GOP debate.
Okay, so they were asking, here's Brian Williams asking a question of Governor Rick Perry.
Watch for the applause.
Senator Perry, a question about Texas.
Your state has executed 234 death row inmates more than any other governor in modern times.
Have you?
Oh, you've got to be kidding.
Did you hear that?
Okay, so you didn't hear that?
Wow.
Pro-death.
They're very pro-life.
I don't think they know what being pro-life means.
I don't think they get that.
They think they need to stop being.
You know what they are?
They're pro- being in charge of life and death.
That's what they're in charge of.
I thought God was in charge of that.
By the way, if he wanted a bigger applaud line, he should have mentioned how many of those people put to death were retarded, and it just would have gone through the roof.
Yes.
If they had said, yeah, Texas, if you have an IQ below 80, we'll fry you just as good as anybody.
Isn't that most of them?
Yeah.
But what you're forgetting, Jimmy, is the overwhelming majority of those killed were guilty.
Yes, the majority of them.
So why can't you just go with it?
So they get the applause on that.
And then here's what Governor.
You know, they do lead, Texas does lead the country in execution.
What's their secret?
Ignoring DNA evidence.
So, God, that's a lot.
It really helps.
If you want to get those numbers up, especially if it's a minority.
You got to put those blinders on.
Yes.
Okay, here we go.
Have you struggled to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent?
Now, the question was: do you have trouble sleeping at night?
I would just like to take a moment out to express shock that Brian Williams is asking a difficult question.
Right.
Okay, here we go.
No, sir, I've never struggled with that at all.
Never struggled with, not one moment.
That's the kind of guy you want in charge of killing people.
The guy who doesn't have a problem with it, that would take a conscience.
The guy who doesn't have a cut, right?
The guy who never worries about it.
The state of Texas has a very thoughtful, a very clear process in place of which when someone commits the most heinous of crimes against our citizens, they get a fair hearing.
They go through an appellate process.
They go up to the Supreme Court.
Now, when he says a fair hearing, he means that they can't afford a really expensive lawyer.
They get an overworked public defender who's not good at his job and is, again, overworked, so he doesn't do a good job.
Right.
So that's what that's a fair thing.
But in the state of Texas, if you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens.
You take a puppy and string him up and stab him in his head.
Or if you start hitting him, you think somebody that does that to a puppy should be killed.
But he's just like, every if you kill one of our children, it's like every little thing.
Could you push another button on me that makes me want to kill someone?
If you kill a cop or one of our children, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of Texas, and that is you will be executed.
What do you make of as if living in Texas weren't bad enough?
Well, life wasn't punishment.
Yeah, but couldn't life in Texas be Leah, life in East Texas.
That would be.
How about a week in Texas?
Sure.
And if you kill two cops, we will execute you and then posthumously remove your right to own a gun.
Not going to happen.
So that's, you know, I don't think they're Christians that were applauding that.
It's like, yeah, we're all Christians and kill them.
But it's not the kind of Christianity you usually think of.
It's more like that Spanish Inquisition type of Christianity.
You know, they're the pro-torture wing of the Jesus.
Judgy Christians.
Yeah.
Very judgy.
It's the Jesus who's into killing, war profiteering, and capital punishment.
You know, it's a different kind of...
I see that side more and more.
I see that side a lot.
Well, you know, now you do.
That's the legacy of the organized religion part of Christianity and not the teachings of Christ.
You know, the teachings of Christ, I think, are beautiful.
Yeah, the exact opposite of what most of the conservative Christians believe today, right?
They believe that you should.
Well, let's move on.
Let's go right to, well, let's hear one more time from Rick Perry.
He did call, and I don't want to ignore him.
Now, Jimmy, those other flapjacks in the debate also tried to give me a rum drumming about that HPV vaccine.
I was told by my advisors that that was a good idea because it prevents the town whore from getting cancer in their giblets.
I'm paraphrasing there, of course.
But that old space jam there, you know, Michelle Bachmann with her big old googly eyes.
Those things are huge and scary.
Every time I see her, I think about Christopher Lloyd after he takes his sunglasses off at the end of Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
Anyway, Michelle Bottman and her big old eyeballs go on TV and say the vaccine, that HBV vaccine made one lady's kid good straight up retarded after she took it.
I don't know what to believe here.
Maybe it was a mistake to mandate that shot.
Maybe it wasn't.
But I will tell you one thing.
There is not one mistake in the world I could make that cannot be fixed with more execution.
That's a fact, Jack.
We got one old boy lined up this week who's going down.
And trust me, that injection he's going to get will make everyone forget about all those other HPV injections.
Trust me.
You hear me?
This injection will make him.
And it will make me popular.
Get it?
Appeal to the base.
Kill a black dude.
Get nominated.
2012.
Watch out.
Okay, Rick Perry, letting us know exactly how it's happening.
Breaking it down.
Yeah, you know, you kill a black dude, become popular, get elected.
All right.
You can't disagree with that.
So let's talk about what Ron Paul's big question, though.
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Okay.
Ron Paul, we're talking about the GOP debate from Monday.
It was a tea party debate, right?
That's what they were calling it.
And so here's Wolf Blitzer with his crazy beard.
Here's what he asked some.
A Jewish werewolf.
It looks like a Jewish werewolf.
I see this hypothetical question.
A healthy 30-year-old young man has a good job, makes a good living, but decides, you know what, I'm not going to spend $200 or $300 a month for health insurance because I'm healthy.
I don't need it.
But, you know, something terrible happens.
All of a sudden, he needs it.
Who's going to pay for it if he goes into a coma?
For example, who pays for that?
In a society that you accept welfareism and socialism, he expects the government to take care of it.
What do you want?
But what he should do is whatever he wants to do and assume responsibility for himself.
My advice to him would have a major medical policy, but not be sure.
But he doesn't have that.
He doesn't have it, and he needs intensive care for six months.
Who pays?
That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risk.
This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody.
Congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?
No.
They shouldn't let that.
I practiced medicine before we had Medicaid in the early 1960s when I got out of medical school.
I practiced at Santa Rosa Hospital in San Antonio, and the churches took care of him.
We never turned anybody away from the hospital.
We've given up on this whole concept.
We've given up on the churches.
The churches are going to take care of the poor house.
Well, wouldn't that be happening today?
Why wouldn't the churches be taking care of people today?
Why would they stop now?
Oh, no, no, because we have what?
Medicare?
The churches go, screw you?
What are you talking?
That doesn't make what he just said, first of all, isn't true because in the 60s, we didn't have Medicare, which is why we decided to have Medicare because we didn't have Medicare.
In fact, if you want to know one statistic, in 1960, before Medicare, 33% of senior citizens lived in poverty.
10 years after Medicare, that number had been reduced to 11%.
Can you imagine now senior citizens having to buy health insurance?
I mean, can you just imagine people who are 40 can't buy health insurance?
You have a pre-existing condition.
Oh, what's that?
You're 40.
Yeah, you've done things.
You have had problems.
The cost of being in the hospital has gone up substantially.
I mean, well, to say substantially isn't even correct.
I mean, like, like astronomically, I mean, medical technology has gone through the roof and to the positive, but it just costs a lot of more money to go to the doctor now.
Can you imagine if Ayn Rand were still alive today and she ran on the same ticket with Ron Paul, the kind of fiction they could make?
Well, Ayn Rand, who is famous for taking Social Security and Medicare at the end of her life.
Right?
Oh, yeah.
Well, yeah, I mean, I'll take Medicare.
But by the way, I really resent the way Wolf Blitzer even phrased that question.
Well, it was phrased that a healthy guy who's going to try and be a freeloader.
Instead of the question, should have been, hey, what about this healthy guy who doesn't want to buy health insurance and then he gets sick?
What about a guy that can't afford it?
That's the question.
That's the question.
What about the guy who's 30 years old, loses his job, now can't afford his Cobra because he doesn't have a job to pay his Cobra?
What about that guy?
What do we do?
But does he have to lose it?
Or the guy with a pre-existing condition that can't even get it, even if he borrowed money from his parents.
What about that?
What about the entrepreneur?
They always talk about freeing up the entrepreneur.
We got to take regulations.
Nothing would free up entrepreneurs more in this country, small businesses, is if people could go and start a small business and not worry about health care.
If they knew they could go, when I get sick, I don't have to.
But that's what people are.
Or if my employee gets sick, I'm, you know.
Yeah, or my employee.
I don't have to worry about getting health care to my employees, which is what is a big strain on most companies, which is what I don't understand.
But it's not an option when you're fighting three wars around the globe because the money isn't there to do it.
Right.
Well, you know, again, we still, we're the richest country in the world.
We have all the money we always had in this country.
It's just that it's being concentrated in a very few hands.
The money would be there if they taxed, if they taxed rich people fairly, even with wars, which I'm against.
But if you tax rich people, which you don't have the political machinery to even do to tax people fairly.
And by the way, they just came out with a plan to save Social Security, which isn't in that deep jeopardy, but just taking out FICO after your first $150,000 because it stops at $150,000.
And they said, well, no, we'll just continue to take it out on the income as it goes above.
And actually, it was even capped at maybe $250,000 or something.
But they said just doing that would guarantee 70 years of Social Security.
Yes.
The proposals in Congress right now, and they know it's not going to win.
There's very easy fixes for Social Security.
So when they say, so just remember out there, when they say Social Security is bankrupt, it's not.
It's solved until 2037.
And then after 2037, if we do nothing, it will pay out 75% of its benefits.
Okay, but if we do something, which is what you just recommended, like making a very little change to the way we tax for Social Security, make a very little change, we could have it solvent for another 75 years, paying out 100% of its benefits.
So it's one of the most successful programs that it is.
It's just people, the right wing doesn't want Social Security to be seen as successful because it undermines their whole theory of that government's bad and they can't do anything for you.
And once they admit government is good sometimes and they can do things sometimes, then we'll have to be more thoughtful about what we do with government.
Instead of the way they do it, you take a meat cleaver to the budget and just get rid of everything.
I love the idea that on the right, the government shouldn't help you when you are in immediate danger, but they should go fight on foreign soil to protect you from a theoretical theoretical.
Right.
Yes, exactly.
You know, well, it's like that soldier who came back and he said, you know, I was fighting people in Iraq and I come back to America and an Iraqi never kicked anybody out of their house.
It's Bank of America kicking people out of their house.
It wasn't an Iraqi denying people medical treatment.
It was Blue Cross and Aetna denying everybody treatment in America.
So it wasn't our enemies were here at home and they still are here at home.
They always are.
I like the fact that Ron Paul's solution is, so if you don't have insurance, join your church.
Yes.
Another separation of church and state.
Yeah.
And this should go out to everybody out there who can't afford insurance.
Make sure you join your make sure you join a church.
There's no way that's not going to.
I love how he goes.
We never turned anybody away.
So like Medicare was a solution to a problem that didn't exist.
That's what he's saying.
Bron Paul, I don't even know why they have Medicare.
We never turned anyone away.
Everyone got taken care of.
It was after Medicare is when people started not getting cared for.
Is that what happened, Ron?
It's like just, and he's just allowed to say that stuff, right?
Just because Wolf Blitzer is not going to actually catch him on that in real time and hold his feet to the fire on that.
But he could just, he's just allowed to say, we never turn anybody away.
Oh, yeah, it's right.
Well, I think you're assuming Wolf Blitzer was doing anything other than reading off a car.
Right.
Jewish work.
You know what I actually said?
You know what?
It's sad, though, given how little they usually press people with follow-up questions.
He was actually above average.
Yeah, yeah.
I would say, Brian.
That was considered pushy.
Yeah, Brian Williams and Wolf Blitzer, if you rate it towards a normal debate, they were really doing a good job, which is how this is, it's the same thing when people go, well, Jon Stewart's a newsman.
That shows you how bad news is.
That's not about how good of a newsman Jon Stewart is.
So when you say that Wolf Blitzer did a good job, it's not because he's good.
It shows you how bad they usually are.
And by the way, wait.
Wait until the field thinks.
Oh, yeah.
And those softball questions will start flying.
Yes.
All right.
So I actually sat down with Ron Paul.
I asked, I had a couple of questions.
We pick it up with Ron Paul mid-sentence.
We pick it up with Ron Paul mid-sentence.
Was it a holiday end?
Is that a holiday again?
I like it.
John Yoder.
It isn't an Ecuadorian thing.
I mean, the federal government does not have a mandate to go around and pay for everyone's health care.
I mean, that's just simply not part of what our founding fathers intended to happen.
Yeah, but that's, I don't think that was the first, first of all, the founding fathers intended for a lot of other crazy stuff to happen.
I mean, why are they always the fallback?
You know, the founding fathers were a bunch of syphilitic slave owners.
Okay.
Well, that's not a fair depiction at all.
I mean, they were, if we don't go back to the founding fathers in the Constitution, then we have no foundation for a direction for our country.
I'm not saying we can't go back to it, but let's just not give that the founding fathers weren't the be-all and end-all, okay?
Well, they're certainly better than the government bureaucrats that we have now that are trying to get their tendrils and tentacles into every single aspect of our lives.
And that's just simply not what was intended.
Okay, so, but it's not about what was intended, it's about what we need now, right?
So maybe they didn't foresee.
What we need now is to go back and see what they intended.
Maybe they didn't foresee, you know, modern medicine and how expensive it would be and how necessary it would be and how it could be an impediment to an economy.
Well, I think that's one of the problems is people don't realize that the prescience and psychic nature of the founding fathers, all of those people could see into the future.
They had the gift of second sight, and they knew all the things that would all of the problems that would be plaguing our country.
And that's how they designed a constitution the way that they did based on that knowledge.
And we need to respect that.
What was that site that they had?
Second sight?
Yeah, second sight, the ability to see into the future, which Alexander Hamilton and George Washington and James Madison all had.
They all knew things that were going to happen.
You're saying that they were fortune tellers?
No, I mean, no, that's not a good way of looking at it.
I mean, fortune teller, I mean, that conjures up, you know, the notion of some sort of carnival worker.
These are people who were psychic and then had abilities to see into the 20th century, almost 300 years into the future.
And they knew they foresaw the housing crisis of 2008 and all of these other types of things.
And they designed the Constitution to deal with these problems.
And we need to go back and see what was intended.
So you're telling me that you believe you don't believe in Medicare, but you do believe in psychics.
Well, I think it's very obvious that Medicare is a failed system, whereas architects of governments who are psychics is something that we need to support as a nation because it's the foundation of what our country is built upon.
You know, can I get back to the what I really wanted to ask you about was during the debate.
Absolutely not.
During the debate, Wolf Blitzer asked you a question about what a hypothetical about what a 30-year-old guy who didn't have insurance, if he was in a coma, what should we do?
Well, yeah, yeah, he did.
And a lot of people applauded that they should let him die, even though you first of all understand I'm not responsible for how the crowd responds when someone asks me a question.
That's not something that's on my poorly tailored shoulders.
All I can say is that years ago, I mean, I've been trying to see medicine since 1961 in Texas ever since I got out of the armed services.
And we would find ways to get people health care, but it was not through government means.
Yeah.
Well, can you tell me what some of those ways were?
Because I don't know.
Well, there'd be nuns.
I mean, you know, what we would do if we couldn't afford to take care of a patient, what we would do is we would leave him out in the street, but not in some back alley, in a very public area where people would take pity on him.
And then they would either take that sick man to their local church-run hospital or some such system like that.
But that's how we did it.
You know, you made a public charity case out of someone who couldn't pay their bills.
And then, you know, you would rely on, you know, good-hearted people who, not you, but other people who are good-hearted to take care of that person.
And that's how we make it.
LAUGHTER Is that any way to be running a society, though?
You know, to have to make a publication.
Well, I see that it seemed to work very well then.
I mean, I can't say.
Well, I don't think it did work very well, Mr. Paul, because that's why we.
Well, in the 1960s, it worked fine.
No, it didn't.
That's why they had to invent Medicare because it wasn't working fine.
In fact, they invented Medicare in the 1930s.
I mean, that was part of the New Deal, which I don't think was very much of a deal at all.
I mean, it was a bad deal.
No, it wasn't.
Medicare came into being in the 60s with Flynn Johnson.
FDR wanted to be wrong about that.
Yeah, yes, you are.
Sorry.
I'm sorry about that.
Jimmy, don't worry.
And so before Medicare, the senior citizens lived in poverty at a rate of 33% of senior citizens living in poverty.
Do you know 10 years after Medicare was instituted, that number had dropped down to 11%.
So that was a big deal.
Well, that may be very well maybe a false correlation.
I mean, the reason that why senior citizens are no longer in poverty today.
There's any number of reasons for that.
I mean, I don't think we can just say, but a blanket statement of Medicare is the reason when this happened.
I think it's because small government.
No, well, government's gotten bigger since that's what we need to reverse gold standard and whatnot.
Why should other people be forced to pay for this man's life choices when he lies when he's dying on a gurney?
I mean, that's simply not part of the Constitution.
Why should we?
Because that's the kind of thing that separates us from the animals, I'm pretty sure.
Well, now, I mean, well, honestly, that's what separates us from animals.
Humans pay for essentially people that are freeloaders.
No, not that humans pay for free that we have the ability to recognize another person's life as being just as sacred as our own.
It's kind of what makes people want to be civilized and live in a civilization instead of in a cave in the middle of nowhere.
Well, first of all, I got to say that, I mean, most of our falling fathers lived in caves in the middle of nowhere.
I mean, there's nothing wrong with that.
I mean, that's a part of people with design.
But why should I have to pay for other people's choices?
Well, what about the guy who got laid off and now he can't find a job and can't afford his Cobra?
Well, first of all, Cobra is not in the Constitution.
And this man, he chose not to pay for his Cobra.
I mean, that's the problem with this Cobra thing.
It's not a charge of us.
I mean, there's not a Cobra commander over us.
Mr. Paul, he didn't have the money.
Yeah, that was a G.I. Joe joke, I'll be honest with you, Bethlehem.
He didn't have the money to pay his Cobra.
Are you an asshole?
He got laid off.
Well, why did he choose a job where he could get laid off in the first place?
I mean, it was his mistake.
I mean, that's his fault.
I mean, he should either die or join a church or be prostrate in the streets and prostrate in the gutter in front of a church.
I mean, they will pick you up.
Okay.
All right.
Well, what do you got?
Are you looking forward to the next debate?
How long are you going to stay in the race this time?
Well, I'll stay in as long as they'll have me.
I mean, I've done that every time that I've run fitness.
I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of debates.
There's a lot of topics that I need to be shouted down by and over.
And I look forward to that, having me saying rational things, and then people like Rick Santorum roll their eyes, and that's how we like to debate the Republican Party.
And then when you say, it used to be when you said we should bring the troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq, they would boo you.
Not anymore.
Well, they still do.
Yeah.
No, they.
Oh, you mean the other night?
Oh, but, well, that's the reason for that is there's Democrats in the White House now.
And so they want to make it look like the war with his ID, which obviously I will support that notion to win.
But, yeah.
Okay.
Okay, Congressman Paul.
I appreciate you taking the time out of it.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay, that was Ron Paul sitting in, taking some time.
And this is the Jimmy Dore show on Pacifica.
If you'd like to hear that again, you could always get it on the podcast of this show, which is available at iTunes and at JimmyDoorComedy.com.
Any last words on the Ron Paul and the GOP's idea of what healthcare should be?
You know, a lot of their ideas look good on paper.
Maybe you can burn that paper and help heat your home.
Okay, sounds good.
You know what?
I hate to do this, but the show's over.
All right.
I want to thank my guests for sitting in with me.
Paul Gilmartin, Robert Yasimura, and Steve Rosenfield.
Today's show is written by Frank Coniff, Robert Yasimura, Steve Rosenfield, Mike McRae, Mike McRae, who does all the great voices on the show.
Thank you, Mike.
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We're going to do?
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