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Welcome back to the Delling Pod.
Dr. Robin Perry Brown.
Great to see you.
You're warmer than I am.
I'm freezing my ass off here and you're in Texas, so you're fine.
Yeah, we had a little cold snap, atypical, and it lasted about a day.
we haven't hit we haven't hit cold weather in texas yet so yeah but you've got actually no i i can i can talk We've got the same problem.
You've got wind turbines everywhere in Texas now, haven't you?
Winter wet?
Wind turbines.
You know, those things that chopped up.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, that didn't work out so well a few years ago.
So the last time we spoke, we were just sort of warming up towards the end, weren't we?
We were just getting onto the really kind of racy stuff.
But so in a moment, I'm going to cut to the chase and carry on where we left off.
But first of all, for those who didn't see the first half, tell us about yourself.
Sure.
I am a, so I have an interesting modality that I created, basically kind of giving my credentials.
I have a bachelor's in psychology and biblical studies.
I'm an ordained minister.
I have a master's in psychology and then I have a PhD in integrative medicine, which is basically a combination of quantum energy medicine plus naturopathy.
So I really put all that together with a modality that I created and I train people in all over the world.
It's very user-friendly.
I've spent 35 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars on my education.
So I created a modality that I can train anyone to use because we need people.
We need people and we need them to not have to go through the long process I went through.
But it combines all of that holistically and I use really the paradigm of the body is made up of atoms.
It's made up of energy.
So we both, we look at the body from both a frequency or an energetic standpoint.
We look at trauma, emotions, generational iniquity, and all kinds of spiritual, weird stuff and normal stuff that everybody thinks is weird, but everybody has it in their family.
And as well as nutrition and detoxing and lifestyle and structural issues.
But we look at the body as a whole, right?
Emotional things can cause physical issues.
Spiritual things can cause physical and emotional issues.
So I like to say we're like this.
We think even as Christians, we think, oh, body, soul, and spirit as these clean little three pieces of a yummy cheesecake, but we're actually more like this messy cherry pie that the baker forgot to put cornstarch in.
And if you try to cut a piece, the juice just all runs together.
And so I really try to teach people on how to see ourselves as a whole, which is, I believe, how God sees us, and learn principles of working on the body as a whole.
Piece, and not just.
You know, most people have a specialty, a chiropractor is going to work on bones and muscles and a nutritionist is just going to help you clean up your diet and nutrition and nutrition.
A detoxing specialist is just going to try to get your body in a state of detox.
A therapist is just going to work on emotions and a minister is just going to work on the spiritual.
So you know, holistic therapy says we have to look at all of it as a whole and the body is going to tell us what it wants to work on next.
And so that's um, that's what I do, and I, you have to help other people and learn how to do it.
So it sounds like the craziest of crazy woo.
And yet I remember this from last time, you have a, you have a kind of authority about you Robin you you, you like, you don't sound crazy or you sound, you know what you're talking about.
Well, you know, and I and I was never a new ager or witch or any of that, so I really came at it from a science standpoint and a scriptural standpoint.
So you know, most Christians kind of throw the baby out with the bathwater.
They think everything that's foreign to them is new age or witchcraft, and it really isn't.
And so what I teach is that you know God's a creator.
Satan or Lucifer whatever you want to call him is the counterfeiter and he just steals our stuff and shifts it, and so witchcraft is really about the attitude.
Christians operate in witchcraft all the time because manipulation is a form of witchcraft.
If i'm praying manipulatively towards a person, that's witchcraft.
So you know we can operate in witchcraft regardless of who we're aligned with.
You know, a true witch is going to be aligned with dark forces to execute what they want.
But a lot of witchcraft is just defamation manipulation control um, you know these are ways witchcraft operates.
So I teach people it's it's more about your alignment than it is the actual principle most.
There's a couple of energy medicine techniques that are truly witchy right, because they do call in other gods and things like that but most energy medicine is science, and what i've learned through years of testing is that it really has to do with the person you're aligned with.
So if I go see a new age practitioner, I might come away with a little slime, or a witchy practitioner I might get slimed because i've opened myself up to them, regardless of what techniques they use.
And so if I go to a Christian practitioner, you know I may not have the same, the same effect, you know from opening myself up and that's just, with thousands of hours of working with clients who've seen different types of practitioners.
And you know, I use muscle testing to communicate directly with the subconscious, to to find things, because subconscious is a supercomputer and it knows everything.
And so we use a tool that's like a lie detector test, and it's using quantum, quantum frequency.
But you're, you know, when we tell, when we look at a um computer right, computer language is like ones and zeros.
It doesn't make sense to us and so, but it translates to information.
Well, our body is the same way, it's it.
It stores information in frequency and vibe, you know measurable vibrations or frequencies, and that is the same type of information that a computer stores.
But it's just, we don't have access to that information easily.
And thousands of practitioners around the world use muscle testing.
It's not yeah, you know yeah, and so, but but being able to use it very specifically to ask the person's body soul spirit, to tell us one what's going on and what do you want to work on today?
Like what, what's a priority to work on today, so that probably was longer than no, it's it's well.
Now we can plunge into the deep pool of whoop.
So okay, among you've had a lot of experiences treating victims of Sra, Satanic ritual abuse, people who've been under mind control, even yes yes, how did that come about?
So um, in 2008, I became friends with a woman who was had a ministry working with sra.
She went to my church and we became friends and I thought it was fascinating.
I was like wow, this is um incredible like a none of it was surprising to me because I, you know, my whole Christian walk, i'd seen witchcraft and you know, in in the 80s I think, right after I got spirit filled, I read he came to set the captives free and that was a woman who rescued a woman out of, who was like a bride of Satan, like so I I was familiar with this.
It wasn't really in my normal day-to-day wheelhouse, but I became friends with this woman and because I had been in a marriage to a sex addict for years and I was working with spouses of sex addicts and and really the addiction recovery rate is very low, I was like I don't really want to work with sra because it seems like it takes like 15 years.
This woman literally lived with these people, like i'm like i'm not that type of person who's going to hold your hand through the whole thing and go, you know, see you every day and be that invested.
So I thought this isn't really my thing.
I.
I wanted and this was before I had my private practice, but I was like if i'm in a, I knew god was calling me to do this.
But at the time I had little kids and was in a tough marriage.
So I ran a business from home.
But I knew at some point I would be full-time in therapy at some level.
So but I was like I want to see success and results quickly, right?
And because I'd also been married to an abs, we had tried everything.
And all of that is part of my story too, of how I came to the modality I created was I want to see tools that actually work to change people's lives.
And so anyway, so I have this dream one night and it was a very straightforward dream.
And I do dream interpretation.
I'm trained in that.
But I just knew what the dream meant.
And in the dream, this woman handed me a bag and I opened it up and it was full of money.
But they were small denominations like ones and fives, but it was a bag full of money like you see in a movie.
And I remember in the dream, I closed the bag and I handed it back to her.
And I said, no, thank you.
And so I knew what the dream, that God was offering to me, the riches of working with ritual abuse survivors.
And I was like, yeah, no, I don't want to do this.
Who turns down a bag of money that's handed to them, right?
And so fast forward, I got, started my private practice.
I started implementing all these tools, which are very effective at finding hidden things, hidden trauma, generational things, hidden, you know, occult.
The word occult means hidden, right?
And so with muscle testing, like all people would come see me and all of a sudden their memories would start coming back of their childhood.
You know, they'd start having memories of black hoodies and blood and sex and being trafficked.
And so I was like, you know, I called him Jehovah Sneaky.
I'm like, you keep sneaking all these people in that I don't want to work with.
And part of it was I didn't feel fully equipped.
It's very complex.
And, but there were not many people I could refer these people out to who I knew were doing in this.
Okay, so fast forward again, 2021, God brings me a client who pretty quickly into the process, I discover is multiple personalities, like very fascinatingly so.
And she was a therapist, like that was her profession.
She was a therapist.
And so, but she just was so lovable.
She just, I just fell in love with her.
And so I really began to work with her almost every day.
And I felt like this was a mission field for me.
Like I was just supposed to learn as I go.
And then let me back up the year before when I did my doctoral dissertation.
I decided to do my doctoral dissertation on using basically my toolbox, emotional release, quantum technology, nutrition, and prayer to remediate the effects of trauma-based mind control.
So I tell people is if you don't want to work with a certain clientele, don't write your doctoral dissertation on that particular thing.
Yeah.
Right.
And so, but my thought was, oh, I have this toolbox.
I will train other people on how to work with them and then I don't have to, right?
Because I can solve the problem without getting personally invested.
Well, that didn't work out so well.
So after, you know, I saw her, what really moved the needle for me was in 2021, early 2022, all of these survivors kind of just were drawn to me.
And they started doing my training.
And so they were able to get more rapid healing by having this toolbox that I created because they could work on themselves and trade out.
And I think one of the huge limitations with survivors is that one, they need a lot, a lot of hours.
It didn't happen overnight.
It doesn't unhappen overnight.
And they needed a lot of hours, but it's expensive to pay a therapist that many hours.
And it takes a long time.
So with them kind of learning how to do this toolbox, they could work on themselves and others.
And I won't go into great detail at this point about that, but I saw them getting more rapid healing because they had a toolbox and they had a community kind of to work on trading out with.
And so that they had more rapid healing and integration than if they were just paying somebody one hour a week or whatever, two hours a week therapeutically.
And that was the turning point.
So in 2022, I just really said, okay, Lord.
Well, I'll tell you two interesting pieces with that.
Because of my research, I saw survivors as like Jesus leaving the 99 for the one, right?
These are extremely broken people.
They may never really function well in society, a lot of them.
They're always going to have problems.
You know, that was kind of my mindset.
But God loves them so much.
And I saw the mindset.
So in 2022, I surrendered.
I said, here's my criteria, God.
If my family, you know, and I had done 30 years of closing generational doors and doors of access, legal ground, we call.
So I don't really get backlash from working with people in the occult, which is one of my concerns.
I don't want to be in warfare all the time.
And I don't want my children to have to pay the cost of me working with these people.
Like, I'll quit.
My children are more important than my client, than a clientele.
So what happened was, as soon as I really surrendered, I saw this, I've just felt a huge like lift leveling up spiritually, just abundance-wise, favor-wise.
And then my kids, oh my gosh, like they have so much favor.
They get so many blessings just poured out on them.
And so it's really beautiful.
And of course, you know, if I go, well, you're welcome, that's a little proud, but I'm like, I see the fruit of me really surrendering to a very tough call.
But then what happened a couple months later, I was listening to a podcast and she made this comment.
And I'd already seen this to be true.
And I understood the principle of authority.
I understood the scripture where it says God will use you in the area you've suffered.
And so a lot of survivors were trained in what we call super soldier programming, new world order programming.
And they have skills.
Most of them had really powerful, you know, they're taught to use psychic abilities, remote viewing, all these types of things.
But they're born with also gifts.
Some of them didn't come from God, right?
But we clean all that up.
And what I realized is that survivors have an authority in the spirit realm that I don't have because of what they've suffered.
And so what I started to see with some of my clients is they, God was using them to literally blow up strongholds and what we call realms that the enemy had created that was holding people in captivity.
My clients have the authority to go back in.
It's like, it's like, I love God.
He just goes, you know, not that he wants anyone to suffer, but he's like, okay, these are like defecting super spies from the kingdom of darkness, the kingdom of light.
And then he goes, thank you for training them for me.
I'll take it from here.
So now they have all these skills and knowledge and tools on how to blow up the enemy's camp, just like a spy would, right?
Who defects?
And the Lord said to me, your role in this is to clean them up, to close their doors, to get them healed, to keep them from being attacked, you know, because it's complicated so that the enemy can't just, you know, target them constantly because a lot of them just have a lot of spiritual warfare and targeting and pain and it's complicated.
So I shifted from this idea of, oh, you poor thing, let me help you because Jesus left the 99 to God going, you know, called you to be a general in this army.
And I'm like, oh, well, that wasn't what I saw myself doing.
But watching these people get healed and then truly having spiritual authority that changes things and moves things, I believe this is such a key time.
And these are the people God's using really to take down the structures of the enemy to win, you know, to win light over darkness.
Yeah.
Well, there's all sorts of questions I could ask you.
I must say, I'm quite impressed that you initially turned down God's request.
I mean, what does that say about you?
I'm not sure.
Well, you obviously have a good sort of working relationship with God.
Yes, absolutely.
I think walking, you know, one of the most recent book I wrote is called Living Like a Son: Releasing Blocks to Truly Knowing a Loving Father, God.
And God's always been a loving father to me.
I wasn't saved till I was 21.
I had a great earthly father.
I didn't have a lot of religious baggage.
And my experience of him has 100% of the time been love.
So while I'm very wired to be obedient, I stayed in a marriage for a very long time because he asked me to.
I also see him as a loving father, that everything's a request, not a demand.
Now, if you follow the request, there's going to be tremendous blessings.
And so, but we always have the option to say no.
Right.
Right.
No, I'm kind of envious of you that you can.
I mean, I'm not always sure what God's telling me, you know.
Yeah.
What I want to know is you must have discovered some amazing things, stuff that isn't necessarily in the scriptures about the other side, about the dark side and how it works.
I mean, presumably there are monks, for example, who have access to this information.
Yes.
It's funny, James, because, you know, towards the end of our last thing, we started talking about this.
And I was like, oh, like he knows some stuff.
And then a month or two later, I can't remember, a little while later, I'm reading Veronica Swift's blog, and she's a little bit new, newbie to this SRA world, but she blogs really well.
She's a very good researcher.
Yeah.
And she like drops your name.
I'm like, oh, this guy's like, he's in this circle here.
Like, people know who he is in this SRA circle.
So, yeah, so that was, and I think you had Nathan Reynolds.
Did you have him on your show?
I had Nathan Reynolds on the show.
I've also done one a while back with Jesse Sabota.
Okay.
Who else have I done?
Well, Veronica.
And I can drop some names to you later if you're interested.
Okay.
Yeah.
Listen, you can give me some tips of people I should do.
Yeah.
I mean, it was fascinating talking to Nathan Reynolds.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I think, you know, Nathan was absolutely super soldier, Jesuit programming.
And so you have different streams, right?
So you have your, I won't go into what the Hitler project is, but you have your Hitler project, you have your just MKUltra, Montauk project, Super Soldier, you know, Montauk project was all about psychic training children is what they based the TV, the series Stranger Things off of originally.
As a matter of fact, they were going to name it Montauk and then they didn't.
So obviously it's way, but there's a lot of truth in there as to what they were doing and that they opened portals to dark things coming through.
They were also doing time travel experiments in Montauk.
And there's a lot of Montauk survivors.
There's books written about Montauk.
They actually did a, like one of those ground penetrating radar things at Camp Hero, which is Montauk Long Island.
That's why it's called Montauk.
It was an Air Force base or naval base called Camp Heroes right on the ocean.
And they could tell that it went down for stories, but and that there were concrete structures underground.
So it's been kind of paved over now.
But there's a lot of whistleblower data about Montauk.
And so you have this stream where Project Paperclip, which was where they took all these Nazi scientists that Mengele and Hitler were working on hybridization, training super soldiers using trauma-based mind control with the occult and witchcraft to create, you know, mentoring candidates for an identity, these type of characters, right, that we see in the movies.
And so we brought all those over after World War II and we started experimenting on humans.
You know, so I'm giving you just the quick version of how we fast forward through this idea that this has been going on since the Jesuit programming started with not Loy, I don't know if it was Loyola or I can't think of the other guy's name, but 16th century.
Yes, yes, yeah.
So the military trauma-based mind control started with them because they were the militant branch of the Catholic Church.
Yeah, the Jesuits.
So it doesn't mean all Jesuits are Satanists, right?
We want to always be clear that this is about infiltration into orders that we see.
We have the surface level and then we have what's underneath, right?
But this is all historical fact.
I have lots of data to go back and validate this.
So you have your military, you know, the end goal is like a New World Order super soldier that they can activate.
And we call them sleeper soldiers.
And the goal is, and Russ Disdar wrote a book in 2009 called The Black Awakening, where a super soldier, Illuminati, came and told him all this.
And he wrote the book.
I haven't read it because it's really dark.
I don't believe that's going to happen, by the way, which is what God's doing right now.
He's waking up the super soldiers, canceling out their programming, and then the work they're doing in the spirit realm is waking up all the other people.
But the end goal is, hey, New World Order is going to do some activation cues.
There's going to be mass chaos because these super soldiers are just going to start shooting people.
If you saw the movie Divergent, you know, in the scene where they have the thing in their neck and they turn it on and they just start killing people, that kind of mind control is absolutely technologically in operation.
So whether they're devices that are using frequency that they can control them with or graphene oxide or heavy metals or nanotechnology that's in the body, they can control it with frequency.
And all that's backed up by absolute scientific data.
So that's their plan.
Like we're going to activate all these soldiers and they're going to just start killing people.
The chaos will usher in the new world order and the Luciferians take over.
That was a plan.
And God has been raising up people to help divert the plan, cancel the plan.
And he's using the defecting super soldiers who are waking up to do that because they have the authority in those realms to do that.
So you've got that stream.
You have just traditional high-level witchcraft.
They're all kind of in bed together, but you have your Mothers of Darkness, which, you know, Jesse's a voter talked about.
Her training was in that high-level witchcraft.
And you have just, you know, African, you have witch, you have just witchcraft.
So some people are mind-controlled to just be high-level witches.
They're not necessarily government involved.
Almost every one of these threads is going to involve human trafficking, sex slavery.
You know, so everybody's got a job.
You can have breeders.
You can have sex slaves.
You have assassins.
Nathan Reynolds was an assassin.
You have your high-level witches who are groomed to just almost, you know, like a Gloria Vanderbilt where she's in hiding as a witch and then she's a public persona.
Some will be completely in hiding their whole life.
Some will have public personas.
But you're going to have different streams.
You have underwater kingdoms.
So you have people who have parts that can shapeshift.
You have, you know, people have seen dogmen and I believe a dogman sightings all over, at least in the U.S., I don't know about anywhere else.
I believe they're probably werewolves shapeshifting werewolves.
And so all these people, people have seen evidence of it.
We see it on the Greek mythology.
You know, hybridization has been around for thousands of years.
We just rule this out as fantasy.
But when you actually start doing a deep dive, you go, well, how does a piece of art in India have the exact same figures on it as a piece of art in Greece and a piece of art in Mexico?
Like, how are they the same?
Like, explain that, right?
And so if it's just fantasy.
So people who do these deep dives of research tie all these threads together because we want to be able to validate everything that sounds like fantasy, not just with people's testimonies of personal experience, but links to historical evidence or military whistleblowers or things where we see, oh yeah, this has been happening for a long time.
It's just obviously stayed in the black ops category of projects.
And people ask me, what's it like to work with survivors?
I go, well, just imagine that every movie you've ever watched is actually true.
And then we can go from there.
Yeah.
Have you worked out the people like Nathan Nathan Reynolds was a bloodlines family.
So was Jesse Zabota.
I mean, Jesse tells us that there are, I think, 14 satanic bloodlines.
There's 13 plus one.
There's an extra.
There's the Muslim Brotherhood, which is the 14th.
Are these people biologically different from, I mean, these are not the children of men, but the children of the fallen angels, aren't they?
They're descendants of the fallen angels.
Yeah.
So here's what my research and my experience with my clients has led me to conclude.
You know, remember in biology when we do the little fruit fly experiments, right?
We look at the color of the eyes, and we talk about genetics.
Okay, so if we're looking at genetics, I'm going to talk about genetics for a minute.
People have this black and white thing of, oh, there's no such thing as offspring of a Nephilim, right?
They couldn't live.
I'm like, they successfully created Minotaurs and Centaurs and satyrs by hybridizing humans and other beings, right?
When we look at why, when we look at petroglyphs of and art from ancient Egypt, they had elongated skulls.
The royals tried, bound their skulls to make them look elongated.
So we see genetic, and we know obviously the giants, but that's that's even a whole different bloodline, right?
But they saw the royals throughout history as demigods, right?
They saw them as part human, part God, and they worshipped them, right?
The Ra, the emperor, the Egyptian emperors, required them to worship him as a god.
And so there's this historical evidence that the rulers were part God, and which would have also meant they had powers of certain types or high level of intelligence or all these things.
So we see historical evidence that this Nephilim bloodline stuff can get passed down from generation to generation.
And that's part of why they inbreed, they abuse their own children, because they believe they're superior because they're not fully human.
And if we kind of go back to why does Satan hate humans, is because, according to my understanding of scripture, God gave us dominion of the earth.
He preceded us.
There were other beings here before us.
And they're pissed.
Like we got promoted above them.
And we, according to scripture, my interpretation is that we are the closest in image and likeness to God, according to, you know, like Jesus.
We, we, us and Jesus, we're like the same DNA, right?
And so they, Lucifer hates us, Satan hates us.
So his greatest goal is to defile the bloodline.
And so that's what he's been doing for centuries.
So the Illuminati, which means illuminated or elevated and arrogantly narcissistic, think they're superior, believe they're superior to humans because they have this fallen angel DNA in their bloodline.
And but, and that's the lie they believe.
And that's part of like, you know, one of the things I'm like, hey, do not do anything that alters your DNA.
God made us this way.
He says, you know, he doesn't want us hybridized.
Transhumanism movement is to try to defile the human genome.
All these movements are trying to change human by making us enhanced, right?
But the hidden goal is really to defile the human DNA because that's kind of an F you to God.
And so that's kind of the bigger story.
But yes, the short answer to your question is: yes, they have some level.
And who knows?
I don't believe I'm from an Illuminati bloodline in my own testing and research, but all the bloodlines that can track back to Charlemagne and other royals have some level of Nephilim DNA in them or fallen angel DNA.
And so the idea is about percentage.
What percentage of your DNA is non-human.
Okay, so there's that.
Right.
And then the second thing is that you're, because we're made up of atoms and energy, your DNA is energy, right?
It's a tuning fork.
And I teach this from a quantum standpoint.
It's called waveform genetics.
So we can change our DNA.
It's not set.
It's not fixed.
So one of the things I do when I work with survivors is go, hey, let's try to get your DNA harmonized back to what God designed it to be.
Because it's changeable.
Your DNA can change.
We see that.
We call it epigenetic mutations from generation to generation.
We can change it back to original design and God can clean up whatever has been defiled in our bloodline.
And so I absolutely believe that because we can prove it scientifically using frequency.
Yeah.
This does, I mean, if it's true, it's all speculative, but it does seem to accord with what anyone can observe about the behavior, for example, of the upper classes, of the really the noble bloodlines, the aristocracy in England, for example, all the aristocratic houses of Europe.
They like to intermarry.
They don't like to marry outside.
They have a kind of they can be very agreeable company to people like us, but it only goes to a certain level.
And beyond that, they really don't want to, they much prefer their own company.
They want to be with their own people.
And this would make sense.
And also, the other element I've noticed, reading about, for example, the origins of the Second and First World Wars, you realize that the kind of people who were behind the First and Second World Wars have an absolute psychopathic ruthlessness that we children of men do not have, I don't believe.
there's a callousness towards a willingness to kill millions of people and just like well it's just how it goes but that is and that's the population agenda the elite agenda that only the elite deserve to be here where anyone else is a cockroach And it truly is the Illuminati mind control paradigm is that, I mean, it's similar to the radical Muslim, like you're an infidel if you're not with them and aligned with them.
So this discriminatory thing of human DNA is inferior to our DNA.
And so you don't really deserve to be here is that Illuminati.
And again, there's a lot of people from these bloodlines who have no idea.
They're not, we don't want to lump everybody in and go, oh, you're from a royal bloodline, you're bad.
Like, no, we don't want to do that, but understand that there's patterns and systems.
And when you understand it, it makes sense why they make the decisions they make.
Why would a person abuse their own children and do mind control and terrible abuse?
Because they believe the abuse is what creates this superior being and they're under mind control.
But the non-bloodliners, they're the ones that get sacrificed.
They don't get to live, right?
So it's always, so every one of my clients is going to be some level of bloodliner, whether they see it.
I mean, their parents could be coal farmers or coal miners or farmers.
Like it doesn't matter what they do for a living, right?
There's always some level of job that is the cover story.
So, but you know, when you hear not just my own clients, but my friends who are practitioners, their client stories, survivor stories, podcasts where they interview people, you look for across the board what are consistencies in people's stories who don't listen to other people's stories, right?
This is my story.
And you see these consistencies, and that's how we come to these conclusions.
And then we go and we do historical research that helps back up.
Like the Operation Paperclip is a fact, it's non-controversial.
Mingle is a fact.
We know what they did in Nazi Germany.
We know part of what they, why they're experimenting on the Jews.
It wasn't just genocide.
They needed them for their mind control experiments and they had to be disposable human beings to them.
And so you have all of this historically throughout time.
Trafficking, these, you know, a lot of this illegal immigration in the U.S. is just an easy way to get undocumented children that they can then use.
So all these children who go disappearing, like a million children go disappearing every year.
And so what happens to them?
Like, where do they go?
Yeah.
We don't want to go there, do we?
It's just, it's too depressing what happens to them.
It's very depressing.
Yeah.
But we're on the winning side of this.
You know, the enemy only works in darkness as we expose this to the light and as we equip more people to help.
I mean, we have this huge anti-trafficking movement.
The problem is there's not enough people equipped to know how to help heal somebody who's severely DID, traumatized.
And probably, and I'm just throwing a number out there, at least 60% of trafficking victims are also SRA.
It's just not what they first remember, but they've got all this occult stuff going on that's keeping them in bondage too.
And we have to address that as well and not just give them a safe house and a new life.
They're very, very severely traumatized.
And a lot of the sexual, as you say, these bloodline families often sexually abuse their children from a very early age.
Now, I understand it.
Part of the reason for doing that is that you have to do it before a certain time.
And if you do that, it enables them to communicate with the demons and stuff, with the forces of darkness, much better than they could afterwards.
Global warming is a massive con.
There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011, actually, the first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when the people behind the Chinese climate change scam got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen ClimateGate.
So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us.
We've got to act now.
I rumbled their scam.
I then asked the question, okay, if it is a scam, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands out.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop.
You'll probably find that mic.
Just go to my website and look for it, jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those people who are still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster.
We must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother God.
There we go.
It's a scam.
And if you do that, it enables them to communicate with the demons and stuff, with the forces of darkness, much better than they could afterwards.
Yeah.
So dissociation happens under states of heightened trauma.
So sexual abuse is always going to be highly traumatic.
So it allows them to learn how to leave their body, right, to dissociate.
While they've left, they can easily download demons into the person because of being their spirit leaving their body.
And so they have that.
Plus, they create personalities that will contain the abuse.
Okay, so that's how they create amnesia.
These children need to go to school.
They need to look normal.
So very early on, they start splitting them from their core being, even in the womb, to have these multiple personalities.
We used to call it MPD, multiple personality disorder.
We now call it dissociative identity disorder because it operates on a spectrum.
You know, we go from just like a fracture, which might look like a mood swing, to a full-blown personality switch, which would be different name, different eye color, glasses, no glass.
I mean, totally different shift, which lets you know the DNA is energetic because they literally look and act and sound different and their eye color changes.
How does that happen?
So that is a form of shape-shifting when people change personalities.
Lots of documentation on that, even before we understood why and how.
So they abuse them young.
We are designed as a survival mechanism to dissociate when pain is too severe.
And so it's our own natural God-given protection mechanism that they take advantage of to then download programs and information that then they can like lock in this little vault called a personality and program in codes on how to activate that.
So a lot of what we call presidential sex slave or the super soldier was we're going to go in and you're going to go spy because you're a child, nobody's paying attention to you, or remote view and gather all this information and then you're going to deliver it over here and you're not going to remember any of it.
And in the process, we have a code that locks it down so you don't remember it until we unlock it, you deliver the information and then you don't remember it.
So it's like a carrier pigeon type of mindset.
It's like a tape recorder and then replaying it, but the person doesn't remember any of the data.
It's all locked into this switching out of different personalities.
So that's one of the big uses.
And the occult has all the secret information.
So, they want to train their people to remember stuff on how to execute a ritual perfectly because Lucifer is a perfectionist and you don't want to mess up.
And then forget about it.
Like, you don't want to, they don't want you to be able to tell anybody what you know.
So, that's part of, and then they just stay very fractured in mind control because then they're going to need to use them to abuse other people.
And death and blood and life force from children opens portals, gives Lucifer power, like the most horrific crimes.
Like, I believe the Holocaust was what the offer Hitler gave Lucifer and Mengele to, he wanted to become like Nimrod, which is to go from human to a god-like status.
So, he had to, you know, sex and blood, murder, death, horrific types of events create a lot of dark evil power.
We call it, well, Lucia's fear power, but just dark evil power.
Lucia would be one of them because they're scared.
And that power embodies or empowers, you know, the enemy, all of the demonic gods.
And then the reward that they get is some kind of, or what they think is a reward.
The payoff for them is some kind of superhuman power that they're chasing.
So that's why they abuse their own.
And they start early because the brain is not in a developed state yet.
And it's much easier to mind control children.
And 100% of the time, sodomy is a demonic portal.
It opens a door.
And it's a place that they can download demonic spirits because it just is.
It's very traumatic to the body.
And so they discovered that, you know, that's a way to impart or put demonic strongholds in people.
So they do all kinds of sexual rituals on children to move them down the playing field to become really good cult, loyal soldiers, whether they want to or not.
And these personalities are called altars, aren't they?
They have altars.
Yeah.
So could you and I, I mean, I keep telling people, I must have been at university with these people, some of these people.
Maybe they were even my friends.
So would I know?
I mean, is there any way of telling?
Are these covers very convincing?
You ask great questions.
One of the things I tell people, like women will go, yeah, I was married to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, right?
Where he was nice one minute and then he would just switch.
And so we would diagnose that as bipolar.
I believe bipolar diagnoses very often are personality switches.
Now they don't, they're not necessarily SRA.
They just have distinct personalities.
And one of the things I find with this type of person is they don't remember getting angry.
They don't remember acting how they acted.
Like they're like, why is everyone upset at me?
You know, I didn't, what did I do?
And so there's this switch.
People who go by different names, usually like, oh, it's just, this is my party name, my party girl name.
Like we talk all around it, but what we're really pointing to is switching.
I believe people who get blackout drunk and they don't remember.
I do believe some of that is alcohol allergy, but I also believe very, I go, well, do other people say you act different when you get really drunk?
And they'll go, yeah, and then I don't remember.
So that would be the alcohol signaling a switch.
So the switching we can observe somebody who's, you know, a lot of my clients' stories are just they walked on eggshells around one of their parents because at any given moment they would just turn into a monster, right?
So that's indicative of personalities and some of the personalities being demonized to see that kind of switching.
And we just normalize it in our culture because we give it some psychological explanation.
But not everybody does it.
And it's not normal to have that level of dysregulation emotionally and then have a lack of self-awareness about it.
So even somebody who is sex, just I don't mean just sexually abused as if it was minor, but sexual abuse victims are very often going to have DID, some level of switching because that's how they coped with sexual abuse was to dissociate.
So lots of childhood traumas that aren't SRA can lead to DID and create shifts or switches or whatever.
I think it's helpful for people to understand when somebody switches to give it a framework of, oh, this can make sense in terms of something triggered a trauma and they're switching to cope with whatever trauma got triggered and they're switching out.
Most addicts are going to have, you know, somebody who can pathologically lie to your face but seem like a nice person is probably multiple personalities.
When they're lying to your face, they've switched out.
And so there's lots of symptoms around what I would point to DID.
It's hard to know if somebody's a survivor.
Survivors themselves seem to have a pretty good radar for other survivors.
And my take is this, like, hey, it's a can of worms and we don't want to just open it or make a suggestion until you're ready to start getting healing and remember these things because it's very, it's very intense.
So yeah.
Do you think it's much more widespread than we realize?
I do.
Yes, I do.
I can't give a number.
People in my field would suggest, I hate to say this, but up to 10% of the population of the world.
No.
Where do you get that figure from?
Some people who work in other people who work in SRA type of ministry and, you know, New World Order programming.
So I don't know that that number is correct.
And, you know, I have a set of clients who are sisters.
I won't go into great detail or use names, obviously, but they're only a couple years apart.
They're both in their 50s.
One of them has remembered her ritual abuse.
Her parents, their parents were pastors, and the other one has not remembered.
And so what makes one's memories come back and the other's not, I don't know.
I mean, I have some ideas, but I won't go into detail.
But some people just are never going to remember.
And they may not actively be involved.
It may have been in their childhood and then something happened that disconnected them from the cult.
So I don't believe everybody is still cult involved, but they may have been ritually abused.
And like I said, this whole sleeper thing that they've created, like we just don't know how many of that, but it's an agenda.
It's a real agenda.
Yeah.
I was just, sorry, I was having a flashback then to well, we not about the time I was texting.
I remember that there were these.
I've got these posh friends, upper class friends, because of my, my education and and and background.
Um, I remember once being invited away, but to stay at this person's house, and there was one occasion where they completely flipped and turned on me and turned really like horrible and I thought whoa whoa, where did that come from?
But that might be sort of thing, Yeah, for sure.
It helps explain these experiences that we can't explain to know that people can switch.
And then one of the indications, at least, that people have had pretty severe trauma is they don't remember their childhood.
And so that's kind of your first clue that you stayed dissociated a lot of your childhood if you can't remember it.
The hippocampus is the part of our brain that stores chronological memory.
It doesn't really start developing until about age four, which is another reason why they want to do a lot of abuse before then because it's harder to remember.
So at four, you're hippocampus.
So when people go, well, I don't remember anything before like the age of four or five, I'm like, that's pretty normal because your brain isn't developed enough.
But people who have not had a lot of abuse will usually remember, oh, I remember kindergarten, first grade, second grade, third grade.
And people will go, I don't remember any of it.
So that's usually indicative of some level of lack of safety or trauma or just hypervigilance or hidden abuse or worse.
But I don't always, I don't go to the extreme.
I don't like drama.
I don't like to imply or infer things without evidence because I think that's harmful and dangerous too.
So, but yeah, but usually just if you your childhood was somewhat amnesic, we're usually pointing to a strong possibility that there was some form of abuse or trauma.
Right.
Oh, can I ask you a scriptural, a scriptural question?
Sure.
Souls.
How many souls are there?
Where do they come from?
And what's your definition of a soul first?
Well, I'm not sure.
I mean, what is a soul?
I'm asking you, really.
Okay.
So again, I defer to the cherry pie thing.
Like, I'm not sure where the line is between the spirit and the soul.
I kind of think they just live together in harmony.
If we look at definition of soul as mind, will, and emotions, we see that.
And then we use the word consciousness.
And is consciousness soul or is consciousness spirit?
Or is it some combination of both?
So with this DID thing, we usually are talking about what we call soul fragments or soul parts.
So they're not really your spirit man.
They're your mind, will, and emotions that got fractured or split off.
And that's why we call them personalities or alter personalities.
But I always want to be a give a caveat is that I'm not sure that we can, like, I think that the sum is greater than the whole of the, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts here.
So this delineation between spirit, soul, our spirit can get fragmented.
We have Arthur Burke teaches a lot on this.
And then there's also other SRA teachers who say, yeah, parts of your spirit man can get fragmented or leave or be put in captivity, regions of captivity, not just your soul.
Most of what we are talking about are fragments or parts of the soul that have either been captured um, programmed um, and then we're looking at things that we're, we're talking about other dimensions, other realms.
You know, all this kind of this is what.
This is what.
In that final Harry Potter book they were talking about the um those, those things that have to be found in different places, that I can't remember what they're called.
Possibly I didn't do anything well thing.
I mean, it's obvious to me that the Harry Potter series is was was um, a sort of a guide.
It's revelation, revelation of the method.
Isn't it that the whole idea about these um the the, the dark bloodline families, with the, with the witchy powers, and then the, the muggles, which are just basically us the, the ordinary, ordinary people um uh yeah no, I suppose I was asking about souls, because one gathers that Satan is very keen on harvesting souls and I was sort of wondering how he, how he, goes about.
So I think it has to do with um, who your commitment is to who, who have you made those and vows to?
So much of programming is putting you in positions where you give your loyalty, your oath, your vow, your contracts.
So with my military super soldier survivors.
They've made contracts with the government right, and here's the deal.
Like these people who have space force missions and they talk about going to other time travel and all these other missions, they did a lot of things that they saw as good right, so God didn't lead the mission, but the things they did were designed to help humanity.
So it's very confusing to them like hey, we went and rescued, you know blah blah blah, blah on this mission, time travel mission, we went on and um, so there's kind of this.
I always go well, you always the way you do, the way you determine.
People will ask me what I think about aliens.
Are they demons, are they fallen angels or what are they?
And I said well, I give two answers and I don't know that i'm right.
I'm just going to tell you what I believe.
When we look at our planet, we have tons of species of fish, we have tons of species of lands animals, we have tons of species of birds, but bugs, all of these things yeah, and the bible only talks about maybe five types of angels.
Right, but we look at on earth as it is in heaven.
So it seems to me, if we, Earth is a representation of Heaven, then there would be more species of being besides humans and angels.
So that's just my thought, and and and there's a lot of evidence of what we call non-terrestrials or other things.
So the the strong Christian belief is, oh, they're just demons pretending to be aliens, and I said well, they could be hybrids, they could be lots of things, and rather than.
To me, deception is about having a box that you're afraid To step out of because it's too scary, but your box might be wrong.
So, what I say is it doesn't matter whether I'm right or not.
It doesn't matter whether you call them fallen angels or you call them aliens or non-terrestrials.
I mean, we have evidence of spacecraft.
We have evidence of other beings.
It doesn't matter what you call them, it's who do they serve.
So, do you serve Lucifer or do you serve Jesus?
And that scripture tests the spirits.
Yeah, and so that kind of takes the fear off of I have to figure it out versus I can ask you, who do you serve?
Well, there's a very on that point, there's a very interesting, um, very interesting, I think, in the scriptures where the disciples come up to Jesus and say, Jesus, we, Lord, we've just been seeing this person who's been casting out demons, and they're bad.
I mean, they must be bad because they and Jesus says, Well, well, no, not necessarily.
Do you remember that bit?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he's, you know, so it's like if the intention is good, he's not saying well, and and I think the other point is Satan can't cast out Satan, right?
So, right, yeah, yeah, you can't get rid of a demon if you're not walking in some level of authority, God's authority, because you you rank higher than that.
So, um, I'll tell you something.
If you just use Jesus's name, it'll work.
And I'm like, well, Jesus isn't just a name, he's an intention.
Like, when I speak the name of Jesus, that's a person that I know, that I'm aligned with.
So, it's an alignment issue.
So, I speak in authority because I have an alignment with him.
I'm not just throwing his name around and telling a demon to come out in Jesus' name.
Does Jesus' name have power?
It does.
But if I don't believe in that, if I'm just using words, then the demon just laughs and go, you know, like in where it says, Paul, I know, but who are you?
You know, right.
Yeah, interesting.
So, yeah.
I'm going to tell you something you don't know, Robin.
And this will be, you'll find this interesting.
So, a friend of mine has the ability to see some of these entities.
And he's so one of the there's two types of entities he sees which are parasitic and attach themselves to particularly sort of disturbed, emotionally disturbed people, sort of angry people, sort of people who these creatures hang out in pub car parks at closing time.
They hang out in bookmakers and places like that, where there's going to be emotional tension and distress and excitement.
They say they have a lot of open doors or legal grounds.
Exactly, exactly.
And they've got the sort of sucky, sucky tendril things, like suckers that feed off people's emotional, negative emotional energy.
Yes.
There's another type of entity which he has seen.
He regularly sees, and you find them in churches.
And he calls them hedgehogs because they look like sort of funny little, like sort of comical sort of gargoyle type.
And he once saw an image of he's not the only person to have seen these because he's seen them carved into the churches with gargoyles.
But these things are benign and they live inside the church.
And the older the church and the more used the church is, the more of these entities there are.
And during services, they sing and they pray.
They join in the singing and they, now, no biologist has ever, you know, Linnaeus didn't do any taxonomy of these particular creatures, but I have no doubt that these things exist.
And I'm sure you didn't know they existed either until I mentioned them to you.
So they may be, you know, I mean, if you look at the description of some of the biblical forms of angels, they weren't pretty.
You know, one of them has a thousand eyes and, you know, like they were weird looking.
So, you know, that's interesting.
And I think that, you know, there's a couple things that are important there is we don't assume everything's a demon.
You know, most people feel something when a demonic presence is there.
It feels scary, icky.
Their hair stands on end.
It doesn't feel good, right?
And I have people who see angels too, right?
And so angels look different, feel different.
They feel authoritative.
They feel strong.
And there's a sense there of their, you know, just like our energy, they have an energy.
And they may still be scary because they're huge or they're whatever, but they don't, they're not gripped with terror, right?
And then most of my clients who've had like reptilian encounters and non-terrestrial encounters, it's terrifying.
They communicate psychically and they can pretty much shut their mind down to where they're paralyzed.
And so those are consistent stories I see, even from people who just are on podcasts that talk about like UFO encounters or other encounters where they're paralyzed with fear, something's invading their thoughts.
I mean, you just hear consistency with those stories.
And that's why I'm like, hey, I think we are we remiss to try to identify and not call everything a demon rather than just calling it some kind of being or entity because there's so much we don't know.
Not everything is in scripture.
No.
It's not.
It's not in scripture.
He doesn't, there's not every species of animal in scripture.
We give it names.
There's no scripture.
Because there is a certain type of Christian, the sola scriptura type of Christian.
You say, basically, if it's not in the Bible, then it's off limits.
We shouldn't be talking about it because where did you get information?
How do you know that this information wasn't given to you by demons lying to you?
Right.
Well, I think that how, well, first of all, we're still created beings.
God still speaks to us.
I mean, one of the, there's maybe five cases of deliverance in New Testament of demons being cast out.
So we don't really have a manual of how to do deliverance from scripture.
It's trial and error.
It's God speaking to us and downloading information as we're encountering demons with what to do.
So is it aligned with the nature and character of God?
I look at these other principles.
Does it align with God's character?
Does it align with his nature?
Is there maybe a second tier of scriptural support?
But when those people, you know, say something, I go, well, then you get rid of your car, your cell phone, your computer.
You have to throw out everything that's not in the Bible.
Like it's just a very rigid mindset.
And I get what they're saying is they don't want to be deceived.
I get it.
But when you spend time knowing the Lord from a spirit to spirit level, and the other thing is I go, hey, there's 1800 different denominations and there's 80 translations of the Bible.
And a lot of them think they're right.
They're the only ones that are right.
That doesn't work out so well.
How do you know it's not in scripture?
Do you know every scripture and the four levels of meaning of everything that's in the Bible and everything's been clearly spoken and interpreted?
So, you know, it's just if that's a person's argument, I just go, you know, bless you, be well.
I don't need to convince you, especially when I deal with quantum physics and the law of attraction and people think that's all new agey.
I go, I wrote a book about it.
I supported it with scripture.
Read my book.
And if you're interested more, let me know.
But right now, you're wasting my time.
I answered your question.
If you actually are a critical thinker and you want to know the truth, I wrote a book about it.
If you're just trying to argue with me and be right, because you're programmed to be dogmatic, you're wasting my time and energy.
Can I very briefly ask you about sex addiction?
Sure.
Because the only reason I'm asking you about it is because one of our pop stars, I don't listen to pop music anymore generally because it's basically satanic, right?
You know, the people who do it are.
My daughter played me the new album by somebody called Lily Allen, who was married to the guy in Stranger Things, who was a sex addict, who is a sex addict.
You know the guy who plays the guy in Stranger Things?
Which guy?
The main guy.
Is he the sheriff or something?
The boy or the old guy?
The old guy?
The old guy.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
The sheriff.
She was married to him.
And then the whole album she's written is about this, about how she gets a phone call from him saying, look, I'd like to live in an open marriage.
And then she discovers he's got this whole apartment where she, you know, with all these sex toys and yada, yada, yada.
I mean, sex addiction, is it quite a common thing?
Unfortunately, yeah.
And it unfortunately is one of my expertises because that was my marriage.
And yes, and I think the best way to understand is that pornography is even Playboy, right?
When you look at the life of Hugh Hefner, Playboy is tied to trafficking, like everything, you can't have play, you can't have sex addiction like if you open porn, you are now sucked into the whole world of the satanic world of the most horrific crimes against humans.
So it's a demonic portal, you know, even just like porn.
But what I know from a brain chemistry standpoint, it's one of the most addicting substances that exists.
And so the hook is not just the brain chemistry because your sexual endorphins are some of the strongest we can feel, right?
Like heroin, you know, cocaine.
Those are strong meth.
Those are strong addicting drugs.
I believe porn is more so.
But then porn has the spiritual hook that you don't realize.
And if your guy who sees was watching, I'm sure he would see all as soon as you open that browser, all those little leechy dudes are sticking.
Right.
I bet they are.
I think.
I mean, I think I don't know where I learned this or inferred this, but basically, when people sort of jerk off to porn, what they're doing is that the demons are sort of feeding off their sexual energy.
Is that right?
Yes.
Yeah.
And so, you know, Satan not going to come with a pitchfork and horns.
He's going to sneak into culture.
You know, and it's to me, it's not even about whether you believe pro-life, not pro-life.
But in satanic ritual abuse, abortions are a big part of the rituals.
Like they get people pregnant over and over and over again, and then they abort the baby before they look too pregnant.
And it's a ritual, it's a blood ritual.
You're sacrificing a child to Molech.
That's what they did in the Old Testament.
So whether people who want to argue this pro-choice, it's a woman's body, it's my right, and it's not, and ultimately, they believe that it's not a life until a certain point of development.
It's not a human life.
We believe, and there's evidence that the spirit goes into the egg at conception, right?
They show these videos of a flash of light when the sperm enters into the egg.
And you see this flash of light.
It's on video.
I've seen it.
And so we believe the human spirit is imparted.
And so it's always murder.
All right.
And I will tell you from muscle testing thousands of clients: if a woman has had an abortion, it will come up in the first 10 minutes of the first session because it was that traumatic to her soul and her body and spirit.
And even if she was pro-choice, even if she didn't believe she was doing anything wrong, she knew her spirit man knew her soul knew that it was harmful.
And that statistically of the baggage that they carry and the aftermath can last a lifetime.
Even if they're not a believer, it doesn't matter whether they're a believer or not.
This is just the humanity of it.
So abortion is a sorry, it is a satanic ritual.
And having sex anonymously, which is what you do when you're masturbating to porn or you're on OnlyFans or you're on some kind of interactive, you are not, you know, the act of intercourse is a very spiritual act that God designed to be in a covenant relationship.
And anything outside of that can be so damaging, it creates quantum entanglements.
And back to the Illuminati, one of the things they do from early teenage on is they sleep around big time because they want all these bloodline hooks.
Your DNA, the male's DNA, hooks into the woman.
And even if she doesn't conceive, there's still the DNA.
The DNA is inside of her.
Yeah.
And it's spiritual.
So all of this creates cross-breeding, if you will, power.
And we call them open doors.
Soul ties are open doors, quantum entanglements.
You are tethered to all of these people.
And that is one of the reasons they use so much sex in rituals too, is it tethers you.
It opens doors.
In the presidential sex slave thing, they will ritualize these little girls and then they'll take these girls to parties and they will have sex with like a senator or some high-level politician or whatever.
And that act allows the cult to have access to that person because of a quantum entanglement or something.
So there's, and we can talk about this both scientifically and spiritually with this idea of quantum bonding, quantum entangling, and we and trauma bonds.
These are all very real things.
I deal with them every day, and so do all of us in this realm.
And it's very intentional.
It's not just accidental.
So promiscuity, for whatever reason, most girls who are promiscuous have been sexually abused.
They're looking for love in all the wrong places.
So I don't judge the person, but they're creating these entanglements that are not in our highest good.
And it breaks God's heart because he loves us.
It's not about sin and he's mad at us.
It's about damaging our own selves and unknowingly.
And it affects the rest of our life if we carry these entanglements with us.
It's also how witches get connection to other people by sleeping with them.
Right.
That is so interesting.
There's another thing I've got to ask you.
And you know what?
If it didn't come from you, I wouldn't believe it.
But I think I probably will believe it coming from you, which is the stuff about ancestral contracts, the contractual nature that so much of what we experience is, well, dependent on, maybe that's too strong a word, but is affected by things that our ancestors have done.
Yes.
So one of the other biggest things I deal with in people is the effects of Freemasonry in the bloodline.
Okay.
So if I have a Freemason ancestor, okay?
And so that even the first oath and vow they took to walk into Freemasonry, Freemasonry is a Luciferian cult.
You can read Albert Pike's book, Morals and Dogma.
He was a high-level Mason.
He says Lucifer is the great architect of the universe.
He says it.
But you don't know that till you're further up in the organization.
And nobody's really been talking about this much except until the past 10 years.
But in America, it's in like 90-something percent of the family lines.
And my experience before I even read any of these books was that we can track depression, anxiety, suicide, incest, sexual abuse, autoimmune diseases, weird diseases.
I believe also narcissism and sexual perversion to Freemasonry.
They're all based on the oaths and vows that the ancestors took.
And so because of, and this is Courts of Heaven principles, Robert Henderson wrote a book on operating the courts of heaven.
If people want to debate scripture over generational iniquity, go talk to any inner healer.
There's thousands of us.
And read Robert Henderson's book.
He was one of the original people who wrote on this to understand scripture behind this thing of how contracts made by our ancestors, oaths and vows, get passed down in the bloodline and give the enemy legal ground over us in our life.
Okay.
But when you work with people, you see alcoholism in the bloodline.
You see incest in the bloodline.
You see these things aren't just one-offs.
Many of their people committed suicide.
You see them systemically in certain people's family lines, and then you don't see them in this family line.
Autoimmune diseases.
Now, I'll share one other thing, and this is a little complex, so I'll make it quick.
What I believe is that I believe statistically more than 60% of Americans have what we call methylation issues.
Yes.
So one of the, okay, so one of the main genetic things is called MTHFR.
All right.
And then there's also other ones, and we call them a genetic, epigenetic mutation.
Now, what MTHFR does is it stops the, it inhibits the body's ability to detox and to absorb folate and B12.
Okay.
So we need all of our bees in our brain to regulate our serotonin and dopamine and other hormones or neurotransmitters.
So we can see that correlated to depression, anxiety, and addiction, because all those are an attempt to regulate our brain chemistry.
And then a lot of the autoimmune diseases are the body's inability to successfully detox and get rid of toxins.
And so if we have all these toxins, the body's trying to, it ends up attacking ourselves, our cells.
And so I believe at least the MTA, at least the, and so what I found after hundreds of people over and over again, over 12 years, is that everybody who showed up in my, as for a session, which a lot of them were dealing with addiction, depression, anxiety.
that's why they came to see me, had methylation issues, whether they knew about it yet or not, and had Freemasonry in their bloodline.
So my conclusion is there's a strong correlation between the O's and vows that your ancestors took, even if it was just one degree.
And so Jesus said, do not take any O's or vows.
Let your yes be yes and your no be no.
Anything other than this is from the evil one.
So when we want to know about contracts, Jesus said, don't do them.
Don't make oaths or vows.
They're contracts.
And it's from the enemies trying to hook you in some way.
And it's my lovely grandfather who was so fond of me and was desperate for me to become on my 21st birthday.
He said to me, I would so love you to become a mason.
And I didn't.
And then he died.
But he was a lovely girl.
Like I said, these are lovely people.
They don't necessarily know that just like the person having an abortion doesn't know that there's something dark attached to that.
The guy entering the Masonic Lodge, for whatever reason, Christian or not Christian, he doesn't necessarily know he's joining a Luciferian cult.
And he certainly wouldn't wish harm on his descendants.
But this is just what we find across the board.
There's a really good book written by Grant and Samantha Mahoney.
They did a ton of research called Liberated.
And they actually go through each degree and they correlate it to health issues, relational issues.
Like it's very specifically correlated what each degree kind of leads to.
I don't know where they got all the data, but my experience personally was those five categories I talked about 100% of the time when people showed up with those things.
I found Freemasonry in the bloodline.
So what do I do?
What do we do?
I can send you a very long video of me doing the renunciation and then this renunciation that's in Grant and Samantha's book, they didn't write it.
It was written by a 33rd degree Mason, but it is renouncing every degree of Freemasonry and basically taking back the legal ground.
So we can take legal ground back in the courts of heaven by essentially breaking the contracts that our ancestors made on our behalf.
Right.
So if I go through that prayer thing, it will undo the contractual.
It will undo the contract.
And then I have seen people shift health-wise, right?
So I kind of put everybody on a methylated B complex and everybody needs a detox at some point because the world's pretty toxic.
But I do believe if we can undo the spiritual contracts, I kind of liken it to this.
With alternative medicine, especially using muscle testing, we're looking for root cause and remedy.
So if you have a splinter and we keep putting all these creams on it and give you a painkiller and all that, you're going to perpetually be on that medication until we remove the splinter.
So the splinter is the cause, and we can do all this stuff to treat the symptoms the splinter's causing, but until we pull the splinter out, you're not going to fully get well.
So the generational iniquity is the splinter.
And so we can look at all these things, even taking a methylated bee, but we need to go back and pull a root up that led to all these other things that we call legal ground or open doors.
And it's not your fault.
This is the plan of Lucifer.
And this is kind of how I like in Freemasonry.
We think of David and Goliath, right?
There's no way David in the natural could have beat Goliath.
No way.
He's eight feet tall, 10 times stronger than David, right?
It's not a fair fight.
But God gives David a strategy, throws the stone, hits him in the vulnerable spot, causes him to go unconscious, and then he goes over and cuts off his head.
Right?
So God gave him a strategy.
So I like in Freemasonry are the Luciferians are David and we're Goliath.
And so toe to toe, Satan can't take on Jesus, right?
Jesus wins every time.
But if Satan has a strategy to hamstring Christians, right?
Let's keep them depressed, anxious, sick.
Like when you're depressed, anxious, and sick, you're not volunteering for a lot of ministry.
You're not going after a lot of kingdom stuff.
You're just surviving.
Right?
Sexual abuse, all of that.
So I believe Freemasonry was a brilliant plan of the Luciferians to hamstring Christians so they would be ineffective, as well as just create chaos in the world and open doors for other strongholds.
But, you know, most of the people who come see me are Christians and they don't feel good.
And they've got this Freemasonry in their bloodline and they just want to get well.
But it's weird, isn't it?
You'd think that well, I mean, I read the scriptures every day.
And I read the Psalms and stuff.
And you get the impression that all you've got to do is put your trust in the Lord and be doing good.
Dwell in the land and verily thou shalt be fed.
You know, just like do the Lord's will.
But it seems to me that that's not enough that sometimes you have to go the extra money.
Such a time as this, I think Lucifer has always been active, maybe underground.
He's more, it's more in our face now.
Nobody's hiding the devil horns and the Illuminati.
And just, I mean, most rock concerts are outright rituals.
They're not even hiding it, and they haven't been for a couple of decades, right?
And so, and people just go, ooh, you know, there's a 30-foot snake on the stage with Taylor Swift.
Ooh, you know, whatever.
Yeah.
Anyway, so I'm not picking on Taylor.
They're all in the same club.
Well, I don't know.
I think that was quite a good one to pick because I mean, her.
Her, if she is actually a she.
I mean, her concepts are.
Yes.
I mean, it's very clear in her lyrics and her videos that she's mind-controlled occult, right?
There's way too much occult symbolism in her videos.
And she looks like that witch, LeVay.
I know.
I'm on the fence about that one.
I don't like to overhype this whatever.
Is she a reincarnation or a clone of the Levay girl?
I don't know.
She looks like her.
So what?
Let's not go down that road.
Like, that's a little too conspicuous.
I like, if I'm going to be conspiracy, I want to be able to prove it with some facts so I don't look like a whack job, you know.
Yeah, you say some whack jobs things, but you don't at all sound like a whack job or look like one.
You look just like, you look very, you're very based, Robin, I'd say.
Very basic, yeah.
And I think that's part of that's part of my intention is like I want to be credible because these things are very real.
I always say the red pill is best eaten in small bites because it it was a long period of time for me.
I don't just believe everything I hear.
I want to go research it.
Having said that, clones are absolutely a real thing.
There's tons of evidence of cloning.
So it took me a while to get on that bandwagon.
I wanted to do more research and evidence and all that.
We don't have to go down the road, clone road.
I just want to use that as one.
No, the clone road is a bit of a that's maybe a whole other episode, but but also you do you think they can they can reincarnate they can transmigrate their souls.
These these yeah, I do.
I do.
I do.
I think that they have tremendous skills that they've learned.
They're very intelligent.
They have tremendous skills.
The things they can do in a petri dish with DNA and eggs and creating.
I mean, the whole Hitler project is about creating the Antichrist.
And so there's all kinds of DNA experiments going on constantly.
And again, when you, this isn't just there's survivor stories.
There's the guys who spent 15 years in level five underground research facilities.
One guy was like basically creating the Wolverine skeleton endoskeleton, you know, that we see in X-Men with Wolverine.
So I mean, these, like I said, if it's in the movies, it's probably based on some level of reality because that just comes up over and over again when you start researching and talking to survivors who've had memories.
So what about us as children of men?
Can we reincarnate?
I so you know, I'm not going to die on this hill.
I have some thoughts about this based on my experience.
Time is a construct in our realm and our dimension.
And so is it possible that if we die, God goes, hey, you want to go do this again, especially like a baby?
And here's my thought.
Again, God is a good, loving God.
Now, again, I don't want to get hate mail for this or disagreement.
I'm not going to get into a theological argument.
I'm just going to go based on my experience of working with clients and my own thoughts.
God is always loving, always.
And if heaven is designed based on some kind of system of reward for how we chose to love or behave here, right?
Yeah.
Then is it fair that children or babies who die prematurely don't ever get an opportunity to live out their soul life here?
So is it possible that God gives them another opportunity to choose?
I do believe we get a choice.
I absolutely believe.
If we get a choice in this life, if we have free will and we get to choose, I believe there's choice in heaven too.
So on earth as it is in heaven.
So that's my thoughts.
I don't, I'm not, again, I'm not going to die on that hill.
And I could go into some stories as to how I drew that conclusion, but that is what I don't teach that.
I don't like it's not something I work on clients with.
If a client comes to me and goes, I may believe I have past lives, I literally will muscle test.
And some people will go, oh, it's just generational memories.
And I go, maybe.
But the statement we're making is, have I lived a past life somewhere?
So I think there's so much we don't understand about multi-dimensional things and what happens with our soul and our spirit.
And when you're working with survivors, man, you just have to hold your theology loosely because not the basic theology, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Father, words of Jesus, like plumb line.
I got my plumb line.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I call them these like armchair ivory tower theologians who don't work on the front lines, who have these strong opinions.
I'm like, but you've never, you don't know, you don't, you think ghosts are all demons?
I'm like, I deal with ghosts every day, right?
See ghosts, people see ghosts.
What about ghosts?
Like we just, we want to put it in that box, but I can go to scripture and support the possibility that humans can't spirits can be still here.
And then we'll, that's another show, too.
It's a longer conversation.
Yeah.
I'm just saying that it's a great conversation.
I love talking about ghosts.
But I like to hold things loosely and go, God, you show me because we've been my job is to deprogram people from what they've been programmed to believe, right?
And to let them come to their own conclusions.
That includes theology too.
Our theology has been programmed into most of us.
Very few people came to their own theology through just studying the word themselves.
Somebody they trust taught them something and they just accepted it, hook, line, and sinker.
So I've gone back and like deconstructed my theology and started over and go, I've spent thousands of hours in God's presence with the Holy Spirit, with Jesus.
I know his character.
I know his nature.
I know what he feels like.
I know the authentic God.
It doesn't mean I'm above deception.
I don't want to be arrogant, but that's my plumb line.
And so certain things in scripture that were taught for years, like Rick Warren, who taught for years women can't be in ministry, recently recanted his position and said, I'm sorry, my blah, blah, denominational theology did not allow me to read these other commentaries.
I was only allowed to read these commentaries and draw this conclusion.
His theology was guided by his denomination.
And he went back 40 years later and he apologized to all the women who never fulfilled their call and destiny because he told them they couldn't be in ministry or they couldn't minister to men or be above men in ministry, whatever you want to call it.
But Paul said in Christ there is no male or female.
Jesus didn't distinguish between male and female.
So there may have been a cultural bias during Paul's time, but that did not extend to gender.
That was a contextual scripture and that's mistaught.
And so I never believed that because I knew God always had a call in my life and he wasn't going to give me this call and passion and then tell me I couldn't do it.
That was not his character and nature.
So I think there's a lot of scripture that people are deconstructing because their theology has taught them God, a character of God that's different than who he truly is.
And that was really a lot of what living like a son for me was like is like, hey, I have a lot of questions.
I don't have all the answers.
There's some people who have better answers than I do.
I just know God's character.
I know his nature.
I know what loving father feels like.
I know what sonship feels like.
I know what performance-based identity and slavery feels like.
And so when you work with survivors of ritual abuse, you have to know the father.
You have to know Jesus.
You have to know that he's love.
And it's not his will that any should perish.
And it's not his will.
It was never his will that these people be horrifically abused.
But he gave us the free will to make choices to align with darkness.
And by our nature and design, he doesn't take that free will away from us, but he gives us solutions and he can redeem everything because he is good.
And that's so much of what I want people to know.
And so many survivors have been mind-controlled against God that he's evil.
You know, it's good is bad and bad is good, right?
They have people dress up for as Jesus and sexually abuse the children, right?
They don't have people dress up as Buddha.
They don't have people dress up as Allah.
They don't have people dress up as Shiva.
Just Jesus.
Jesus is the only one they need to defile.
And so when you start going down this road and you see this reality, you just have to shift away from religious dogmatism because, man, you know, there's just some things where you go, I'm not sure about this, but I'm going to hold this loosely.
And the whole, I don't want to use the word reincarnation, but maybe because that's a little Hinduish.
But this idea that God may let us come back and have another opportunity would be the way I would see it.
And I think we get to choose.
And I don't fully know how that works.
I just still hold on to that as a possibility because of some of the things I've encountered with clients.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, that was, again, a characteristically broad-ranging talk.
That was great.
Thank you.
Thank you, Robin.
I really enjoyed that.
One of these days, we're going to do a live event together, aren't we?
When you next come over, okay, I would love that.
I would love that.
And, you know, I want to stay on the love end of things.
If people have, people can disagree with me.
You don't have to agree with my theology.
I'm fine with that.
1800 different denominations, 80 translations.
You know, as long as we agree on who Jesus is, who Father is, who Holy Spirit is, like, we can be in unity.
And I think that's the important thing in teaching is that these other things, I may change my mind tomorrow with new information, right?
This is my experience to date.
I do believe I can go back and have that align with God's character and this plumb line of who he is and what his nature is.
And if something contradicts that nature, I'm going to hold that loosely because I know his nature, I know his character.
And I think that in the U.S., just a broad opinion, we become so intellectualized that we are programmed with a particular theology.
And then we put God in that box, but we don't spend time just in his presence.
And I think we err.
And I'm very, very, very blessed to have the ability to connect with him very easily in his presence.
I'm very blessed that way and super grateful because not everybody has that.
And so I can understand where for me, it's easy to go, that just never resonated as something God would do or something Jesus would do, you know.
I think there's great wisdom there, Robin.
I agree with you because you're right.
The number of denominations, I mean, since I started talking about Christianity and taking it seriously, I've had so many different opinions, different angles.
And I've been to different church services and spoken to some really, really good people.
But people can be quite dogmatic in defending their particular patch and their particular ideology almost.
And one of the things that happened early on with me, and I know we're getting to the end of our time, but very early on in my walk with God, I, again, was trying to discover theology myself.
And I remember reading a book by a theologian who was defending the once-saved, always saved position, because that's a big thing for Americans anyway.
And then in the stream I had come out of.
And then the other one was you can lose your salvation.
And based on that, and they both use scripture to defend polar opposite theological views.
And I remember reading that, and it was like the Lord said, I've allowed ambiguity, or people would worship just the word, and they would become a big cult because one person would be right and they would be a cult leader, which is what Nimrod tried to do and all these world rulers.
He said, with ambiguity, it drives people to seek him.
Like we worship him in spirit and in truth, right?
So Jesus is the truth.
So scripture can seem ambiguous, even if it could be explained.
But that was a very impact.
And that was early on in my walk with God.
That was a very impactful moment for me to go, if it's not Trinity related and nature and character of God and principles of God, I'm going to hold it loosely because somebody will be able to come along and debunk what I believe with scripture.
And if my anchor is in these peripheral scriptures that can be contradicted and argued, then I'm, you know, I'm going to be like a boat tossed about by the wind.
If my anchor is in the character and nature, and that's my plumb line of what would Jesus do?
What would love do?
Jesus said, I and the Father want if you've seen, you've seen the Father.
Love God, love yourself, and love others.
And you can't love others if you don't love yourself, right?
That's Jesus says the whole law is summed up in this.
And then, you know, just the things that Jesus taught and said and did as a plumb line.
And 1 Corinthians 13, love is patient, love is kind, the fruit of the spirit.
Those are a plumb line to me that I look at, and then everything else is a second tier.
And if it contradicts my plumb line, I'm going to hold it loosely and go, I'm either misinterpreting this, there's some kind of explanation as to how it was written, the, you know, the lens through which the writer saw when he wrote it.
Like there's some kind of other explanation.
And I'm going to go back and stick to my plumb line.
Much wisdom.
Robin, tell us where we can find you, where we can find your stuff, your things that you do.
So drrobinbrawn.com, integratedlifestrategies.com is the same website, but drrobinbrawn.com is easy to remember.
And all of my, I do see private clients, but I'm moving more away from that to just training people to be able to work on themselves and other people.
I have online training.
They can do anytime it's recorded.
I have a live training coming up in December.
I don't know if this will be posted by then.
But, okay, so then they can zoom in or live.
I have had a couple people from your last show who may be interested in training.
If I get enough people, I'll fly out to the UK and do a live training.
Yeah, that would be fun.
I love the UK.
And so there's that.
And then a couple other projects I have going on.
One, I do have a nonprofit, and it's thriveholistichealingministries.com.
And I help scholarship survivors so they can have therapy or get trained.
And then I also support two orphanages directly.
Like I get the money directly goes to these children, and one in Uganda and one in India.
And that was a total God thing that I never thought I would be doing.
But he's really, I tell you, if you want to see your, I'm not being manipulative, but if you want to see your finances increase, support some orphans who can't take care of themselves.
So, really?
Yes, absolutely.
You should meet my friend Michelle, who does exactly that.
Michelle supports an orphanage in El Salvador.
Okay, cool.
Oh, I've done podcasts with you.
You'd absolutely love her.
Michelle also.
I would love it.
I'd love to meet Michelle.
She's a healer, like you.
I love it.
And, you know, it's hard.
It's hard when, you know, these people are needy.
And I don't want to be a money beggar, like, but I need donations.
And 100% of it goes to them.
Unlike all these big organizations, that maybe 5% or 10% actually gets to the source because of all the overhead and people they have to pay.
And then the third thing, which is moving into the future, is I am consulting with people who want to open healing centers and I'm consulting with them on best practices and especially best practices for survivors of trafficking, ritual abuse, and veterans who have PTSD.
So because they all have multiple personality issues and DID and they need really more specific honed-in types of therapy.
So that's my next project.
So.
Great.
Well, thank you for all the wonderful things you do.
And thank you again being a great podcast guest.
I've really enjoyed it.
You've asked great questions, although you really put me on the spot on some of them.
But that's great.
People want to hear that.
So you did.
I can't help it.
Yeah.
And everyone else, if you've enjoyed watching the shows, of course you have, do please consider becoming one of my paying subscribers as opposed to my love you freeloading subscribers and I totally understand there's loads of competition.
Love you all, but the paying ones are kind of my favorites.
So know what it costs.
It costs money to do a podcast, isn't it?
Free.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And yeah, I agree.
I mean, this is our job, our livelihood.
And we're kind of good at it, aren't we?
I mean, we are.
We're just good at.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you.
See, I've been on a lot of podcasts, and what stands out to me really are the quality of questions that get asked.
That's really what stands out to me.
And I, you know, I've been on some really good ones, and I'm just always impressed with the thoughtfulness that goes into a podcast or thinking about what to ask because, you know, in normal conversation, people aren't asking me these questions.
So well, thank you.
I mean, I believe I was blessed with a gift by God.
Definitely.
But one thing you best me with is an insatiable curiosity about things.
I've always had that.
Another is a kind of sort of puckish irreverence.
So I've never been afraid to ask the audience.
Nothing's off the table for you.
Nothing.
Nothing.
I have no filter.
No filter.
But you do it beautifully.
You do it beautifully.
Yeah.
Well, thank you.
And what was the other one?
Oh, yeah.
And I do, I really concentrate.
I mean, at the end of a podcast, I'm utterly exhausted because I'm really listening to what the other person's saying, and most of the time, anyway.
And so, yeah.
But thank you.
It was great.
Okay.
So, yeah, I'll see you next time.
Maybe see you in England.
Or if not, on the next podcast where we're going to talk about ghosts.
