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May 19, 2025 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole

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Dominic Frisby

Bitcoin expert, gold bug and comic Dominic Frisby returns to the show to talk to James about - what else? - gold, crypto and comedy. Frisby explains why the price of gold is rocketing, warns of the confiscatory measures that are bound to be coming our way, and tries to persuade a sceptical James that the US is the best bolthole destination. They also talk about Frisby’s amazing success with his 5/2 diet (five days eating, two fasting) and about Dom’s Christian faith. James teases Dom cruelly about his latent Normie tendencies.Dom’s newsletter the Flying Frisby is a must-read for goldbugs:https://www.theflyingfrisby.comhttps://www.designmynight.com/london/bars/bethnal-green/backyard-comedy-club/dominic-frisby-the-mid-year-reviewhttps://www.frisbys.news/p/get-your-lols-lined-up-where-to-see↓ If you need silver and gold bullion - and who wouldn't in these dark times? - then the place to go is The Pure Gold Company. Either they can deliver worldwide to your door - or store it for you in vaults in London and Zurich. You even use it for your pension. Cash out of gold whenever you like: liquidate within 24 hours. https://bit.ly/James-Delingpole-Gold ↓ ↓ How environmentalists are killing the planet, destroying the economy and stealing your children's future. In Watermelons, an updated edition of his ground-breaking 2011 book, JD tells the shocking true story of how a handful of political activists, green campaigners, voodoo scientists and psychopathic billionaires teamed up to invent a fake crisis called ‘global warming’.This updated edition includes two new chapters which, like a geo-engineered flood, pour cold water on some of the original’s sunny optimism and provide new insights into the diabolical nature of the climate alarmists’ sinister master plan.Purchase Watermelons by James Delingpole here: https://jamesdelingpole.co.uk/Shop/↓ ↓ ↓ Buy James a Coffee at:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/jamesdelingpole The official website of James Delingpole:https://jamesdelingpole.co.uk x

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	Global warming is a massive con.
	There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
	It's a non-existent problem.
	But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
	Well, I've just brought out the revised edition to my 2012 classic book.
	Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
	It's a shocking story.
	I wrote it, as I say, in 2011, actually.
	The first edition came out.
	And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
	The era when...
	The people behind the climate change scan got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screened, in a scandal that I helped christen Climategate.
	So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us, we've got to act now.
	I rumbled their scan.
	I then asked the question, OK, if it is a scan...
	Who's doing this and why?
	It's a good story.
	I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
	I think it still stands up.
	I think it's a good read.
	Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
	You can buy it from jamesderlingpole.co.uk I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring round all those people who are still persuaded that it's a disaster, we must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother God.
	There we go.
	It's a scam.
	It's a scam.
	Welcome to the DelingPod with me, James DelingPod.
	And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but before we remind ourselves who he is, let's have a word with one of our sponsors.
	Have you seen what The Price of Gold has been doing recently?
	It's been going bonkers.
	And I hate to say, I told you so.
	But I did kind of tell you so.
	But if it's any consolation, even though I do have some gold and bought some a while back, I didn't buy nearly enough.
	It's like when you go to the casino and you win on 36 and you only put down a fiver and you think, why didn't I put down 50?
	If you've got that feeling that you haven't got enough gold, or if you haven't got any gold and you really feel you ought to get some, the place to go is the pure Gold company.
	They sell gold bullion and silver bullion in the form of coins or in the form of bars which you can either store in London or in Switzerland or you can have it delivered to your own home if you can work out where to store the stuff.
	I think that gold, what do I know?
	I mean, I'm no expert, but I've been right so far.
	I think gold and silver right now are maybe even more so silver, actually, because silver, I think, has yet to take off.
	Just my opinion.
	I'm not a financial advisor.
	I reckon that it's worth holding both of them at the moment.
	And you don't want them, of course, you don't want to buy paper gold.
	You don't want to buy paper silver.
	You don't want to buy...
	You want to buy the actual physical thing.
	Go to the Pure Gold Company and you will be put in touch with one of their advisors.
	And they will talk you through the process, which you want to do, whether you want to have it in bullion or in coins.
	I mean, there are advantages to having coins because coins are considered, well, Britannia is anyway, are considered legal tender, which means that you don't pay.
	Weirdly this, but even my accountant didn't know this.
	You don't pay tax at the moment on your profits.
	Go to the Pure Gold Company.
	They will talk you through all these things and follow the link.
	Follow the link below this podcast and it will give you all the details.
	Go to the Pure Gold Company and they will give you what you need, be it gold or silver.
	Do it before it goes up even more.
	I think you'd be mad not to.
	Welcome back.
	To the Delling Pod, Dominic Frisbee.
	Thank you very much.
	Who is the sponsor?
	It'll probably be this one.
	It's probably going to be the Pure Gold Company, isn't it?
	I'd have thought.
	Okay.
	Do you envision sponsors, or you do an audio sponsor, do you?
	Yeah.
	Do a readout.
	What I found was that it's kind of rude, slightly rude, and very boring.
	To inflict on your guests a read-through advert while they're sitting there waiting to go on.
	So I just thought, I know, I'll leave a tiny, tiny gap, and then my little helper, Andrew, can put in the thing.
	Well, I introduced you to the Pure Gold Company, so I hope you're earning pots of money.
	Well, I tell you what, mate, I'm probably not earning as pots of money as you are, because you are the go-to gold guy.
	And so inevitably, you're going to have loads and loads of goldbugs or goldbug-adjacent people tuning into your channels.
	Yeah, well, in fact, James, I've just...
	Literally, I'm doing the proofs on a new book which comes out in August called The Secret History of Gold.
	And, yeah, I mean, I've been a gold bugger since 2006.
	I absolutely love it.
	I've always loved it.
	And I wish I'd discovered affiliation deals in 2006 instead of in 2020.
	When the gold price was so much lower.
	Look, I don't want to talk about gold.
	No, but let's talk about it, because I can talk about it.
	Because I've just written this book, it's all in my head.
	Yes, no, no, no, no, don't worry.
	Calm yourself, Dom.
	We are definitely going to talk about gold.
	But first of all, I wanted to take the piss out of you slightly.
	Before we move on to that stuff, first of all, I wanted to address the points you made just before we started recording, where you said, go on, tell me the criticism.
	Somebody was messaging me asking me stupid questions.
	No, no, no, no.
	You were talking about my lighting.
	Ah, yes.
	Well, like, you shouldn't have the camera, the light behind you.
	Yeah.
	Because then your eyes go to the light and that beautiful greenery behind you instead of going to your beautiful face.
	Yeah.
	You're absolutely right.
	And I totally understand the point.
	And I think it would look better in many ways.
	If I didn't have the light behind me.
	And I do this thing for two reasons.
	Firstly, I don't want to look like a professional, because that would make me be like Joe Rogan or somebody, and you don't want to be like that.
	Why not?
	And secondly, I want to take my listeners, sorry, my viewers, because listeners obviously can't.
	If they're doing audio only, they won't be able to see this anyway.
	I want to take my viewers to a happy place where they see a kind of pastoral idyll in the background.
	You see that tree?
	Yes.
	There are two trees.
	Yeah, there's two trees and they both contain rookeries.
	Loads and loads and loads of rooks.
	And when I moved in, the gamekeeper said...
	You'll be wanting to shoot those rooks.
	And I said, well, yeah, yeah.
	I said, yeah, yeah, I will.
	But actually, actually, I don't want to shoot the rooks because I've learned that the corvids are probably the most intelligent birds around.
	They can do all sorts of clever.
	And I'm sure that I can hear them.
	Talking about me when I walk past, you know, it's like, there's that James!
	He's OK!
	He's OK!
	He doesn't kill us!
	He hasn't killed us for 10 years!
	Stuff like that.
	And you sometimes hear them getting very upset because this is the time of year when their babies drop out of their nests and fall onto the ground and the parents are naturally very distressed and they go...
	But...
	In the past, I've sort of tried to rescue the fledglings, but it's hopeless.
	They just die.
	I mean, you know, when you fall 50 feet out of a tree and your wings aren't developed, there's not much hope for you, especially when there's a cat around.
	Yeah, how very sad.
	I didn't realise that was a risk.
	I once narrated a documentary called Bird Brain, and it was all about just what you said, how clever...
	Birds of the crow family are.
	I don't actually like crows.
	I think we have too many, and I think they're...
	I don't like the noise crows make, but I love, you know, the offshoots, rooks and ravens and that kind of thing.
	I mean, I don't mind a few crows, but I feel like crows are a bit like pigeons.
	And we're plagued with the Twickenham parakeets.
	I'm in South East London and the parakeets have come here now.
	And, you know, parakeets are incredibly bright birds.
	But unfortunately, because of the fact that they're bright, they're wiping out all the local birds.
	And there's a metaphor there.
	They are so overindulged, those bloody parakeets.
	They have no place.
	They have no place living in England.
	I mean, that's what abroad is for.
	One goes abroad to see...
	I don't know anyone who actually likes them, though.
	It's just one of these things that's sort of allowed to continue.
	No, my daughter does.
	And, well, yeah, but she doesn't know any better.
	No, I know.
	She doesn't.
	She doesn't.
	It's an ignorant youth thing.
	She thinks, oh, they're pretty and green.
	I like them.
	The green is wrong.
	You see that green in an English wood and it's just wrong.
	Oh, in the same way that conifers are wrong in the English landscape.
	Oh my god.
	Conifers look completely wrong.
	I know.
	They destroy it.
	I mean, not as badly as a wind farm destroys it.
	EU subsidies that gave us those.
	No, they're not as bad as wind farms, but they're getting there.
	You can be on Dartmoor and you'll just be all in the lovely nature of Dartmoor and then there's suddenly a conifer plantation.
	You're like, how did this get here?
	It's the same in the Welsh hills.
	I was asked.
	Somebody lovely came around the other day, this just nice, nice, interesting woman.
	Actually, I might have her on the podcast.
	She's special.
	Do you know what she does for a living?
	No.
	Actually, go and guess.
	Take a random guess.
	Okay, does she live near you?
	No.
	Okay, so I was going to guess.
	Okay, so I was going to guess.
	Okay.
	She does it for a living, so she...
	Tree surgeon.
	Yeah, no, not.
	But not so far off him.
	She takes people on guided mushroom trips.
	Oh, fantastic.
	And resolves their problems through intense six-hour trips.
	Now...
	Do we have lots of different magic mushrooms in the UK?
	I think she uses the basic psilocybin.
	Okay.
	The ones with the pointy nipples on top.
	The ones you get on the rugby pitch in September.
	They, I mean, we get fly agaric, but, you know, with the Father Christmas looks like the laps get high on them, the reindeer get high on them.
	But I think that, I think basic psilocides, whatever they're...
	Don't our own deer get high on psilocides?
	Yes.
	And sheep.
	I think the sheep in the fields behind me come, what, September, off their faces.
	Absolutely off their faces.
	Annoyingly, because it stops me harvesting them.
	I went looking for shrooms last year, and I think I found about one or two.
	Oh.
	Which is no good to anyone.
	Have you ever done ayahuasca?
	No.
	And do you know what?
	I think it may no longer be on the list because one of the problems is that when you become a proper Christian, you become a sort of God-fearing Christian who prays all the time and stuff.
	You become a target for demonic attack and the demons use...
	Um, altered states as a way of getting into your head and fucking you over.
	Oh.
	Yeah, it is a problem.
	It is a problem.
	So let me ask you another question then.
	We're going on so many tangents here, but it's wonderful.
	Um, I have a friend who is massively, massively, massively into yoga.
	And, like, she was, the only reason she didn't become a yoga teacher is because, uh, it doesn't pay enough.
	But anyway, she then had a sort of crisis about 18 months ago because she said by doing yoga, she was just adopting demonic poses and had this sort of huge conflict with herself.
	So tell me about that.
	She's right.
	No disrespect to yoga teachers or people who do yoga.
	I mean, I know there are lots and lots of really good people out there who are not Christians.
	And who think that by engaging in yoga or by engaging in white magic, they're not doing anything harmful and it's all about the intent and stuff.
	But it is an unfortunate fact that all the yoga positions are essentially from...
	They come from the demonic.
	I won't go into any more details than that because I don't want to upset the Hindus, for example.
	But there's a very good...
	You know I love a tangent.
	You know what your audience wants.
	You know what your audience wants.
	You know I love a tangent.
	And we've already had several.
	There's a book...
	Have you ever come across a book called Lives of a Bengal Lancer?
	No, but I've heard of it.
	Weirdly enough, Hitler's favourite movie was the film adaptation of one of his favourite films, was an adaptation of the book starring Gary Cooper.
	And I think it owed almost nothing to the actual book.
	I haven't seen the film.
	Life of a Bengal Lancet.
	So the Bengal Lancet would have been, so this is a classic case of the English giving away their culture to the Americans in order to get more bums on seas?
	If they've got Gary Coop.
	Whatever, I suppose.
	The American industry, that was made in 1935 and it was coming out.
	Gary Coop's a duke.
	The book was the autobiography of somebody called Francis Yates Brown.
	And he was a cavalryman on the northwest frontier in the sort of the last days of the Raj, really.
	The last time when you could...
	And the first part of the book has got lots of stuff about pig sticking and stuff, the things that you do as a cavalry officer in the northwest frontier.
	The book became a huge, huge bestseller.
	And the reason I think it did was because Yates Brown talks a lot about his discoveries in yoga and about meditation.
	He seeks gurus by the Ganges and stuff.
	And this was all part of that.
	That move towards the New Age.
	The New Age is about embracing Eastern cultures and Eastern traditions and Eastern religions, like yoga and meditation and spirituality.
	And it sounds all cool.
	And then the Beatles, of course, they were the next wave that did that.
	They went to see the Yogi Maharishi or whatever.
	And George Harrison came back with his sitars.
	My old normie self would have gone, yeah, but this is cool.
	Like, you know, what's not to like about sitars and charis and going to the Ganges and covering yourself in paint and whatever, whatever as you do it, Puri and things like that.
	Actually, it's a cultural trend which has been...
	To which we've been led by some very, very dark forces.
	So at the turn of the 20th century, maybe early 20th century, you've got people like Yeats dabbling in this sort of stuff.
	You've got Asda Crowley importing these ideas from the East.
	You've got Tibet as a kind of alleged source of all this secret knowledge.
	Anyway, long story short, yoga, yeah.
	The people who say it shouldn't be taking place in church halls kind of have a point because it isn't...
	Yeah.
	So should one not do yoga then?
	Well, I've done it.
	I mean, I think the one that's the really bad one is kundalini yoga, which is the one that awakens your inner serpent.
	Which is the serpent.
	You know, the serpent's never a good idea, really.
	You don't want to awaken your inner serpent.
	Shall I tell you a story, speaking of serpents?
	I had a dream the other night.
	Yeah.
	About...
	I was in a comedy club.
	I was comparing a comedy night.
	And there was this snake coming down the stairs.
	And...
	Coming down the stairs.
	The comedy club was in the basement.
	It was coming down the stairs.
	And the first act was on stage.
	And I was just sort of loitering around in the wings, as you do.
	And I saw this snake coming down.
	And I was like, oh, God, what do I do?
	I'd better tell the management.
	Anyway, it sort of came around the door and into the main room.
	And it was just going really, really slowly.
	So I thought, I've got time to go and find the bar.
	I'll go and tell the bar manager.
	I mean, I don't know what he's going to do about this great snake.
	But anyway, then it sort of came around the corner.
	And suddenly, everyone in the front row sort of jumped up because they saw this snake.
	And then it turned and it went for me, and that's the point at which I woke up.
	Anyway, a couple of days later, I went to London Zoo with my son, and we looked at this cobra, and it was the same snake!
	It was the identical snake!
	And I did one of those things where you have a dream, and you see something, and then...
	Three or four days later, you see the actual thing you dreamt about.
	And it's one of those things like, you know, I've narrated documentaries about snakes and I've seen snakes in the zoo and stuff like that.
	So it's not like I've got no...
	But if you told me to describe a snake now with all these details, I wouldn't be able to do it.
	But I dreamt the snake so vividly and then I saw it two or three days later.
	Amazing.
	I'm always dreaming about snakes.
	It does mean something.
	I don't know what.
	I'm sure if you looked up in the Dreams manual, snakes mean...
	Yeah, I looked it up the other day, but I've already forgotten.
	They mean several different things, and there's the obvious thing, you know, there's somebody in your life who you can't trust.
	There are also all sorts of phallic things to do with snakes as well.
	Basically, it's telling you you're gay.
	Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you what, while you...
	I'm going to do the cardinal sin here, which I'm sure, which is while we're talking, I'm going to ask Grok, Oh, you're not doing that AI thing, are you?
	Oh, I love it.
	Everyone is addicted to AI.
	What does it mean if you dream about snakes?
	Oh, because you see I switched my phone on and now everyone's texting me.
	Confirm your age to continue when you were born.
	Oh, fuck off.
	That noise, I hate almost more than anything.
	Oh my God, like a million things.
	Apart from the sound of wind fires.
	Various things.
	One, it can represent change or renewal, like a snake skinning its skin.
	You could be undergoing personal growth or transition.
	Fear or anxiety.
	Subconscious issues.
	Healing or wisdom.
	In self-conscious, snakes are linked to medicine.
	But yeah, it's probably fear or anxiety or something.
	So it could mean anything, really.
	It could be you're making great progress or you're terrified.
	Or something in between.
	A very equivocal AI answer.
	So, Dom, I think...
	In fact, I was going to say this, and I think it's true.
	You are the normiest person that I now have on my podcast.
	Because I bet you don't even consider yourself a normie, particularly.
	Well, one person's normie is another person's weirdo, but yeah.
	I'm not quite as far out on the spectrum as you are, but I'm certainly on the spectrum compared to my old school friends.
	Yes, well, that's it.
	That's it.
	It must be slightly odd having your foot in both.
	I mean, I'm sort of, I think, I'm batshit crazy.
	I mean, as far as the ordinary world is concerned.
	So I have to kind of rein myself in on occasion.
	Keep the conversation to things that I can, to normally subjects I can still talk about, like literature and horses, basically.
	But everything else, I can't go there.
	Yeah.
	I can't even do horses.
	Yeah, but you could do other stuff.
	Okay, you've got gold.
	We're going to talk to that.
	Although gold is a useful...
	I mean, we rabbit hole tinfoil hat nutcases.
	We love our gold.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And, well, the real sign is silver.
	If you're into silver, then you've lost it.
	Would you say, Dom, that I'm into silver or not?
	Well, I think you're more of a gold person than a silver person, but you should be telling everyone how the silver market's suppressed, that silver's a conspiracy, and blah, blah, blah.
	Mate, if you knew how much silver I've got, you'd...
	Oh, okay, fine.
	You might change that.
	Investing in silver is like dating a mental woman.
	It's not a good idea, and it will get you in the end.
	And send you mad.
	It's the moon metal.
	It's the metal of women.
	HOC is doing all right at the moment.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	And, well, those are silver mining companies.
	It's slightly different, but yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, I've noticed that silver is still resolutely, determinedly doing sod all.
	Yeah, it will frustrate you and drive you insane and give you these little moments of total happiness and then the rest of the time it'll send you round the bin, round the loony.
	The number of times that silver has been breaking out.
	Oh my God.
	Should we talk about gold?
	I've noticed that gold has been performing rather well recently.
	It's been great.
	It's been great and it just...
	I just wrote an article on the Substack yesterday, actually, so I was staring at a chart.
	And in fact, while I remember, I'm going to plug my Substack.
	Plug throughout.
	I love your Substack.
	Okay, so it's called the Flying Frisbee, and I write about gold and Bitcoin and other investments.
	I actually have two Substacks.
	I've got one for my comedy and one for my investment stuff, but the Flying Frisbee is the golden investment one.
	You know what I mean when I say the 50-day moving average.
	That would be the average price of the last 50 days.
	And since 2022, every time gold has gone back to its 50-day moving average, it's just been bought.
	And somebody has relentlessly been buying it.
	And it's not retail.
	Normally, gold bull markets are driven by retail buyers.
	But in Germany, they're not buying.
	In the States, they're not buying.
	Retail is going, it's too expensive.
	I'm not buying.
	And the only explanation, and it's more than an explanation because there's quite a lot of evidence, is that it's central banks, particularly central banks from countries that are along the Silk Road, part of that Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
	So mainly China, but also all the Stans, Kyrgyzstan, Thailand as well.
	Asian central banks that aren't completely on America's side in the sort of...
	You know, you're either Team China or Team America.
	And what's going on is de-dollarization.
	But it started, you could just pinpoint it, like two or three months after America freezed all Russian assets, $300 billion worth of Russian dollar assets.
	That was so stupid.
	Well, they've done it before.
	It's worked before.
	It's a way of...
	Waging war without killing people.
	But yeah, I think it was a tactical error because it has accelerated de-dollarization.
	And if you look at China's U.S. dollar holdings have actually increased, but their treasury holdings since 2013 have halved.
	And so all the money that they would otherwise be buying treasuries, they are just buying gold.
	And their gold holdings are at least, well, there's one guy called Yan Neunhaus who says they're twice, what?
	They're stated.
	I think it's as much as 10 times what their stated holdings are, their actual gold holdings are.
	They're the biggest producer, and they don't export any of the gold that they produce, and they're by far and away the biggest importer.
	And we think Jan did a study, and he reckons they imported between 500 and 600 tonnes just in 2024.
	Before all this Trump trade war stuff.
	And 500 or 600 tonnes, to put that number in perspective, the UK has 310 tonnes in total.
	So in one year, they imported twice our holdings almost.
	In one year.
	And you just look at the chart.
	Every time it comes back to the 50-day moving average, it's being bought.
	And everyone's like, who's buying it?
	It's not retail.
	And it's not institutions.
	It's central banks.
	And China's buying it, and they're buying it on the quiet.
	Saudi Arabia was caught, like, in November last year, this guy Jan Neuenhaus did a expose that Saudi Arabia had just bought 350 tonnes.
	Saudi Arabia is supposed to be America's ally, and they bought 350 tonnes on the quiet.
	And central banks are just buying, buying, buying, and they're not telling anyone.
	They're not declaring it.
	Right.
	And so explain a bit more about why it is that if you're a friend of America...
	You don't want to get caught buying gold.
	Well, I don't think America is...
	You could say, if you talk to a hardcore gold bug, he will say that America is suppressing the price of gold in order to boost the value of treasuries and dollars and all the rest of it.
	I don't think America is necessarily doing that.
	Except in times of panic.
	So I don't think if the UK were to go out and buy, you know, 100 tons of gold, I don't think we'd, like, make an enemy out of America.
	But the UK's nuts.
	We're now the second biggest holder of treasuries, American debt, after Japan.
	We're not.
	Whose idea was that?
	China.
	We're just...
	We're round about now.
	We're overtaking China.
	Why are we buying American debt?
	And...
	You know, you just used to think that gold used to be the heart of the empire.
	In fact, it's one of the reasons the empire became what it was, because we discovered all that South African gold and kept it for ourselves.
	But anyway, so why would China and all those other countries...
	Because they don't want to own assets that America, if it decides has a tantrum, can freeze.
	Because basically it makes you beholden to America.
	So they're just de-dollarizing.
	Now, if you think in, say, 1950, roughly 70% of all central bank or all national reserves were in gold.
	70%.
	And by the mid-noughties, that number had gone to 10%.
	And 60% of reserves around the world were US dollar and another 20% were euro.
	So 80% were either euro or dollars.
	Now, that 60% numbers come back a bit.
	I think we're at about 40% or 50% and we're at 15% in euros.
	And gold, meanwhile, has gone from 10% to 20%.
	But I think there's no reason why gold shouldn't go back to 50% or 60% of central bank holdings, because it's the natural thing to hold, because you have the gold, you have it in your bank, and the only way anyone can take it off you is if they invade you, or if they send in Kelly's heroes to come and do a heist or something.
	Otherwise, nobody can take it from you.
	But if you keep your holdings in...
	You know, and that's what the Nazis did in World War II.
	Every country they invaded, the first thing they did when they invaded is they walked straight up the central bank and took the gold and sent it back to Germany and then Germany used it to buy...
	And they stamped swastikas all over it.
	No, they didn't.
	The one thing they didn't is stamp swastikas on it because it meant their gold was no good in international markets.
	So what the Germans actually did is they would melt down gold and they would stamp it with pre-Hitler...
	Pre-Hitler dates.
	I should get rid of this call.
	Yeah.
	I don't know how to make it go away.
	Pick it up and put it down again.
	Hello?
	It claimed to be from bank security.
	I don't believe it.
	No.
	They're after your gold, James.
	Sorry for that interruption.
	So they don't stamp swastikas on, unlike in the movies they do, don't they?
	Yeah, they might have done, but you wouldn't because you couldn't, because of the way, again, the financialisation of war, it happens with every war, Switzerland wasn't allowed to take gold with Nazi...
	stamps on it.
	So, and no other country would take it.
	So the Germans would stamp their gold, particularly the stuff they stole off the Jews, they would stamp it with pre-1932 Would they?
	Of course they would.
	Yeah.
	But in any case, central banks around the world are increasing their gold holdings.
	And this is a huge, huge secular change in trend.
	Maybe 2015, something like that.
	And I would say we're only about...
	So central bank holdings have maybe doubled since 2015 relative to what other stuff they hold.
	It's 20%, but I think it goes to 40% or 50%.
	Where have they been getting this stuff?
	Most of it will be new mine supply.
	Okay.
	So it's never really come to the market.
	I mean, it's been bought straight from the mines.
	No.
	If you're a mining company, you would usually produce what's called dore bars, which are bars of about 90% purity.
	You would send that off to the refiner, and the refiner would then send it off to the COMEX or one of the gold exchanges, and there it gets sold into the market.
	But the central bank, Chinese buyers, they wouldn't buy from the COMEX.
	They would buy privately from either Dubai, London or Switzerland, Zurich.
	So, you say retail are not interested.
	It's getting interested now, but they haven't been.
	I was going to say, haven't retail been missing a trick here?
	Yeah, but retail often does.
	Oh, is that right?
	But Dom, I mean, does that mean, I mean, you particularly, but even, I've done my small bit to kind of ramp up.
	I've done my bit as well.
	Ramp up the gold price.
	Not that we really can ramp up.
	Gold is not really rampable, is it, in the same way that it is?
	No, I think, you know, you need to be, because the thing is, there's so many futures, paper gold, that, you know, even for somebody, you have to have deep, deep pockets to be able to manipulate the gold price.
	You can manipulate the silver price much more easily because it's a much smaller market.
	But gold is a very hard market.
	What would you say to retail investors who are thinking, well, it's gone up so much, I've missed the boat?
	Well, firstly, I sympathise because you always want to buy in at the bottom.
	And then if you don't catch the bottom, your instinct is not to buy.
	But when you get to the bottom...
	Everyone thinks it's going lower and nobody wants to buy because there's blood on the streets.
	So, you know, you haven't caught the low, but particularly if you're a sterling, you know, the pound's actually quite strong at the moment, believe it or not, relatively over the last six months it's got stronger.
	And, you know, there has never been a Labour government that didn't devalue sterling.
	It has never happened.
	I just think we've sort of kind of flown under the radar.
	There's so much going on in the world at the moment with Trump tariffs and this and that.
	The UK has kind of just been ignored.
	But, you know, our financial situation is awful.
	And, you know, we've got so many debt chickens coming home to roost.
	and there's no way that you know we've got a sort of somebody Elon Musk type person who's going to turn around and come into the civil service and get rid of all the dead wood it's just not going to happen here and so we're going to carry We've got all sorts of enormous pension obligations that we can't meet.
	And some kind of sterling devaluation is inevitable.
	And so I always tell my readers, you really should own some gold.
	The great Wall Street saying is, well, I thought this was a Wall Street saying, but I've actually Googled it, and the only person I can found who said it is me.
	So maybe it's a Dominic Frisbee saying.
	Say it then.
	Which is, put 5% of your net worth in gold and hope it doesn't go up.
	And there's a great wisdom, because if it is going up, it means there are problems elsewhere.
	But, you know, I just think...
	I have a thing in the Flying Frisbee called the Dolce Farniente Portfolio, which is a portfolio of assets which we just hold and we forget about.
	We don't need to keep looking at markets and so on.
	And in that, we have 15% allocation to gold.
	And by the way, if you go to theflyingfrisbee.com, the first thing that happens is there's a guide into how to buy gold if you're interested, and you can find it there.
	But yeah, I just think everyone should own some.
	It's a fun thing to own.
	Like, you know, the British Western markets tend to own gold as bars or coins.
	But look, you know, just buy a lump of gold.
	This is half an ounce of gold that I've got around my neck.
	And it's just fun to own.
	You know, it's a nice thing to own.
	And I've got a little coin collection.
	And, you know, that's how the Asian tradition is.
	You know, you wear your wealth.
	It's an investment, but you also wear it and enjoy it.
	And I just think everyone should own a little bit of gold because the risk is not owning it.
	Put it that way.
	Yes.
	You don't have to answer to anyone.
	Like, it doesn't matter if Trump does a...
	One of his tariffs, or it doesn't matter if Rachel Reeves imposes this tax, or none of that matters, because you've got your gold, and as long as you keep it somewhere safe, nobody can touch it.
	But, here's the thing, we know what FDR did in, was it 1933?
	Yes, 1932, 1932.
	And we know that the more gold...
	And we did that in 1939, by the way, we confiscated it in...
	To pay for the war, everyone had to hand in that.
	Did we?
	Yeah.
	Nobody talks about it, but we did it.
	I love this we.
	Of course, it's really them.
	Well, yes.
	So how did they do it?
	Everyone had to hand in everything they had in value in 1939.
	I don't know the history in great detail.
	I should have put it in the book, actually, but I didn't.
	But all our bonds, stock certificates, gold, precious metals, we handed it in and it was taken up.
	I think it was shipped to America.
	On one of those ships that went to America, we just had to pay for the war effort.
	Imagine...
	And Henry VIII did it as well.
	It's 1939, and you've just handed over all your worldly goods, all your gold and all your stuff.
	Yeah.
	Imagine if you knew what we knew about war.
	And about the dishonesty of it, and about the real reasons behind it.
	I don't know how far down the rabbit hole you are, but put it this way.
	Origins of the Second World War, not as sold.
	It wasn't, you know, we are trying to defeat the bad man Hitler.
	It was much more about the usual suspects, you know, the powers that be, generating another war as part of their business model.
	Yeah, their disaster capitalism business model.
	So imagine how bitter you would feel.
	Having your stuff confiscated by these crooks.
	Well, I couldn't agree more.
	I'm just Googling, by the way, while we talk.
	I'm trying to...
	Yeah, the British were required to declare their securities and other assets.
	But did we, I'm sure we had to hand it in.
	Thank you.
	Oh no, maybe we didn't have to hand it in.
	Anyway, but yes, but James, what you've just described is, I think we were forced to declare it, but not hand it in, according to that.
	That was a cursory look.
	What you've just described is taxation, in a nutshell.
	You're forced to hand over your wealth.
	In fact, in many cases, you're not even forced to hand over it.
	It's taken from you before you even earn it, and it's used to spend on shit.
	Yeah.
	You know, one person's worthy cause is another person's piece of shit.
	When I used to do my show, Let's Talk About Tax, and I put on a chart on the board everything that the government spends your tax money on, and I said, and I would say to the audience, who agrees with how that money is allocated?
	Not one person would put their hand up.
	Not one.
	Would agree with how it's allocated.
	You know, one person might think more should be spent on pensions.
	One person might think less should be taken.
	Another person might think more should be spent on the NHS, blah, blah, blah.
	But not one person agreed with how it's currently spent.
	You've got to laugh.
	And they say that taxation is the price we pay for a civilised society.
	It's the total opposite.
	Because your money is taken from you by force.
	Which is not civilised and spent on things with which you don't agree.
	So you're literally slaving, working to pay for stuff, to fund stuff that you, in many cases, despise.
	So it's a horrible system.
	Yeah.
	It's people like Stephen Fry who come up with phrases like taxation is the price we pay for a civilised society, isn't it?
	Yeah, this was Wendell Holmes was an American...
	Oh, I'm sure he was awful as well.
	He was probably...
	His words are now inscribed on the IRS building in Washington, D.C. Can you imagine?
	He's probably feeling really pleased with himself in the grave.
	I'll bet he was a pedo or something.
	Probably.
	Illuminati, high-level Illuminati, something like that.
	During the lockdown, I got together with this projectionist and we projectioned all these...
	Slogans onto various buildings around the country.
	But on the IRS building in the Oldwich, we put taxation as a form of theft.
	And did they come and send their shock troops to Bitcoin?
	No, we did it.
	You might have seen, you will have seen them.
	We put, like, Bitcoin fixes this, we put on the Bank of England and vote Boris, get carry, we put on the powers of Parliament and stuff.
	But no, we didn't.
	We got away with it.
	They came out, they came out of the Bank of England as we were doing it and we just scarpered.
	I was in danger of distracting you there from answering my question, which is, as gold gets more and more, Yeah.
	The government is going to be more and more, or governments are going to be more and more inclined to confiscate it.
	How do you see them doing that?
	Well, they are, and I think if there's an emergency, well, the reason why Roosevelt confiscated gold in America is because he knew he was going to revalue it upwards, and he wanted the revaluation.
	The gains from the revaluation to accrue to the government rather than to citizens.
	He didn't want citizens to have that gain.
	So, and I think if you take that thought and you extrapolate it to today, I don't think they would necessarily confiscate gold.
	Well, they might do it in an emergency.
	You see, they'll do anything in an emergency.
	But they would impose a windfall tax.
	And maybe a windfall tax on unrealized gains.
	You know, there's this thing in America doing the unrealized capital gains tax.
	They do that if you try and leave Canada or the US.
	They tax you on your unrealized gains.
	And so you might see something like that.
	And they will force you to declare it.
	And most people now will go, oh, well, I'm not going to tell them how much I've got.
	But when they actually put pressure on...
	Most people will wilt and declare what they have.
	Now, if you have gold in a...
	Like, if you own an ETF, for example, and you have gold in your brokerage account, obviously, that's going to be much harder to conceal than gold buried in your garden.
	Sorry, that's...
	Yeah, gold buried in your garden, you know, you could not declare that and they would have to come around and investigate you.
	But even so, I think most people, because most people are honest and...
	Even if you think you're a rebel, when the state's actually putting pressure on you, it's quite hard to...
	I can see all the rooks flying around over your head.
	It's rather beautiful.
	Oh, it's fantastic.
	They fly in pairs.
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	How nice.
	Well, they do it this time of year.
	Maybe it's because it's the mating season or the baby season anyway.
	But yeah, they will force a declaration and then impose a tax.
	Right.
	Like they did on the North Sea.
	Yeah.
	And there's even worse.
	I once came upon a thing.
	I don't know whether...
	You know how if you own your gold in the form of coins, of sovereigns or whatever, half-sovereigns, it's technically legal tender and therefore not subject to capital gains tax, which sounds a very good reason for owning lots of bullion.
	Yeah.
	I've heard that a bit like the, you know the thing about we don't own our shares anymore?
	They're all, that shares aren't hypothecated anymore and haven't been for a long time.
	Yeah.
	You've done this one, haven't you?
	No, no, no.
	I'm waiting for the question.
	That gold, that coins with King Charles' head on them, for example.
	They actually, there was a trigger mechanism for the Crown being able to reclaim all those, the Crown or the government or whatever, being able to reclaim all those sovereigns.
	They're not yours.
	I lost you.
	The internet...
	I lost you there, but I think what you asked me is if the coin is a gold sovereign and technically it's a coin of the realm, doesn't it therefore belong to the state or the crown rather than you, the individual, because it's the issuance of the crown?
	I think that's a technicality that Roosevelt kind of got away with in 1932, although he confiscated jewellery as well and he didn't distinguish between monetary gold and other forms of gold.
	And, you know, collector's gold and jewellery and so on.
	And to answer your question about currency here, I don't think they can do that, but I actually don't know the answer.
	But, yeah, technically your £5 note is the property of the state because it's the issuance of the state.
	I don't think that's right, but it's certainly an argument.
	And they'll use whatever arguments suit them at the time because they always do.
	Hang on.
	The dogs!
	Dog!
	What?
	What?
	There's outdoors.
	There's outdoors.
	And the most annoying thing is, James, every time they mess up, like when Nixon took America off the gold standard in 1971 or Black Wednesday in the UK in whenever it was, 92, they always blame the speculators.
	Oh, it's the fault of the speculators.
	And Roosevelt blamed the speculators as well.
	And by buying gold...
	And then going, no, the reason I'm buying gold is I don't trust you with the currency and I'd rather store the currency in something else.
	You will be smeared as a speculator when the time comes.
	And the majority of people in the country who don't own gold and have seen their wealth wiped out by whatever crisis it is will...
	You know how there's this thing where everyone feels entitled to everyone else's wealth?
	Yes.
	And the fact that you were sensible and you took precautions and blah blah blah will mean absolutely nothing.
	Yes, it's like that term profiteer.
	Yeah.
	Which always appears in wartime.
	Yeah.
	And of course the biggest profiteers of war are the people who are never going to get held to account for it because they're in cahoots with the government.
	A halibut or someone.
	But, yeah, well, exactly, exactly.
	So all the North Sea oil producers were accused of profiteering when Putin invaded Ukraine.
	How am I profiteering by doing the business that I've always done?
	And they had their windfall tax imposed on them and just wiped out the whole North Sea oil industry, pretty much.
	I mean, we should flee, shouldn't we?
	But where would we go to?
	Well, you won't feel the same way, but I think North America is a wonderful place.
	What?
	United States.
	I went to Argentina in November.
	It's just absolutely glorious.
	It's just the most...
	Have you ever been to Buenos Aires?
	No.
	It's just the most stunning city.
	It's like it dwarfs Paris and London in terms of its ambition and its scale.
	It's just...
	Glorious.
	To have built that city at the turn of the 20th century, they must have been the most extraordinarily ambitious and proud people.
	It's just a glorious place.
	Were you aware when you were there that you weren't actually in North America?
	In Buenos Aires?
	Well, I was in South America.
	Yes, exactly.
	You said North America.
	No, no, I was talking about the United States when I said North America.
	But it's not the United States.
	I know it's not the United States.
	I was saying...
	It's really not.
	America's a great place to go, and failing that, Argentina's a great place to go.
	Okay, now, okay.
	I don't see...
	Why do you think America is a great place to go?
	It's just such a fantastic country, and Americans are so nice, and they get it, and, you know, it's just...
	But what?
	The Americans who think that...
	No.
	You're talking about a country where half the people didn't...
	Half the people wanted to vote for the equivalent of Hillary Clinton.
	They wanted to vote for whoever, you know, senile pantshitter or with the sun with a frazzled rip mask.
	Or they wanted to, you know, they thought Obama was the statesman.
	And the other half, the ones who voted in Trump, they think that There was an assassination attempt on him.
	They think it was real.
	They think that when you get hit in the ear by a kid that the security hasn't spotted, right?
	And you get nicked in the ear by a bullet.
	And what it does is it sends this kind of pattern on your face like that, which only appears when you've gone down and had time to apply the paint.
	I mean, America is as buggered as anywhere.
	Yeah, but, like, you worry too much.
	I mean, I'm criticising you.
	Take my advice.
	I'm not using it.
	We all do this.
	We worry too much about politics.
	I don't think at all about politics.
	Those were just my...
	Why would I want to go to a country where 50% believe in Donald Trump was shot and the other 50% voted for Hillary?
	What I mean is that...
	That's what you're saying.
	But the point is, like, all that stuff is stuff over which we have no control.
	All you can do is live your life in the best possible way in the world around you in any given moment.
	And so it's best to just shut off from all that kind of stuff because there's nothing you can do about it anyway except howl at the moon or Twitter, whichever you choose.
	And, you know, Never mind all that stuff.
	America's still a great country.
	You know, its cars are fantastic.
	Its countryside is fantastic.
	People, Americans, are just great fun.
	And there's so much wealth and opportunity there.
	And why would you not want to go there?
	It's just fantastic.
	If you take a sort of bunker approach to the world, well, fine.
	You can take your bunker approach, but you can go and live in a bunker in America.
	You can live in a better bunker than anywhere else in the world.
	America's great.
	This conversation originated in our discussion about the measures being introduced by the Keir Starmer government to immiserate us and impoverish us.
	Now, I don't spend any time at all looking at the personalities in politics anymore.
	That's a normie activity.
	But...
	I do know that the Trump administration is there to usher in the next stage of the New World Order, which involves biometric ID or whatever it is for travelling on aeroplanes.
	It involves the introduction of central bank digital currencies.
	A massive increase in the surveillance state, thanks to Friends of Trump, like Palantir.
	Companies run by Friends of Trump.
	Elon Musk is not a goodie.
	We're talking about the belly of the beast.
	Now, OK, so your argument might be, I mean, your only valid argument might be, and I hope you're going to make it, Yeah, but America's so big and they're tooled up.
	It's much harder for them to have this stuff taken away from them.
	They can defend themselves.
	If that's your argument, fine.
	But if your argument is, hey, America's got a new president and it's not one of the Democrats anymore.
	He believes in free markets.
	No, he doesn't believe in free markets.
	He believes in...
	Restoring American business and he believes in entrepreneurship, then I'm going to call bullshit.
	I just said, you said, where can one go?
	And I said, go to America because it's great.
	And I don't agree with your interpretation of all of that.
	No, because you're a Norman.
	I think Elon Musk is a good guy.
	Don't even try Elon Musk.
	It's still, even if Elon Musk is Count Dooku, it's still a great country.
	You think he's Count Dooku?
	Or whoever.
	It was the first baddie that came into my head.
	Sorry, this is a take the piss of Normie Dominic.
	I hadn't realised quite how much of a Normie you were.
	You actually think, don't you, that Elon Musk's a good guy?
	Yes, I do.
	Do you think that...
	Okay, I'm going to test you.
	When he sends up his rockets, do you think they go into space?
	I don't even know.
	I've never watched one.
	Yeah, but where do you think, what does your heart tell you, Dom?
	Where does your heart tell you that Elon Musk sends his rockets?
	Somewhere in space?
	Space.
	Yeah.
	Where are you on the moon landings?
	I think they're a lot faker than I did a year ago.
	Okay, so that may have happened 50-50?
	50-50.
	Yeah, okay.
	Okay.
	What I don't understand about the moon land is if they did it in 1969, why has nobody been back?
	That's the one thing that's always bugged me.
	That's one.
	That's certainly there.
	9-11, was it carried out by a man in a cave?
	James, you can't worry about this stuff.
	I'm not worrying about it.
	I'm testing you.
	I'm taking the piss.
	I'm freaking out of answering your question.
	You are, aren't you?
	I think 9-11 actually happened.
	Yes, I do.
	We're not arguing about whether the buildings came down, but you think it was planned by a man in a cave in Afghanistan called Osama bin Laden.
	It was planned by his agents.
	I'm just...
	Yeah, but you think...
	Okay, working for Osama bin Laden, you think that the bad is...
	Yeah, I think it was carried out by...
	Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
	A poor sod who got...
	Sorry?
	Performatively waterboarded so that people could see he was a terrorist.
	Oh, that's different.
	What?
	That's different.
	There was none of the survivors.
	I've no doubt that one of the first casualties, you know, the first casualty of war is truth, and one of the first casualties of terrorist attacks is truth.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	They found the passport.
	They found the passport in the embers of Twin Towers, didn't they?
	James, this is you having a go at me about where the 9-11 was a conspiracy.
	No, but fine.
	But it's like me going, it's like me asking you about football or something, where you have absolutely no knowledge of football.
	I do.
	Football is designed by the Freemasons to divide and rule cities.
	Football used to be an amateur activity.
	Let me finish my analogy to make my point.
	It's like me having a go at you and saying, you know, oh, it's insane that Gareth Southgate is not selecting Jack Grealish when he could play Jack Grealish coming in off the left and blah, blah, blah.
	And then having a go at you.
	And you don't even know who fucking Jack Grealish is.
	For example...
	That's a good thing, isn't it?
	Yeah, well, exactly.
	But then me and then you trying to defend Gareth Southgate's position for not picking Jack Grealish or whoever the fuck it is.
	I literally have not read up on the conspiracies surrounding 9-11 because I'm just not interested and I've got other stuff that I'm interested in.
	You then arguing with me about something which I don't know anything.
	You don't have to be an expert.
	You come from this thing where you have to have an opinion.
	That is your mentality.
	You've got to have an opinion about everything.
	Do you not think it's kind of a big deal when in the middle of a big American city three buildings go down, allegedly hit by planes?
	Surely, surely it's not unreasonable to say, do you think it was...
	Are the conspiracy theorists right?
	Or was it Osama Bin Laden?
	It's one or the other.
	I do think it was Osama Bin Laden.
	Okay, that's fine.
	That's all I want you to know.
	That it wasn't.
	But I haven't expended loads and loads of hours reading about it and brain power because I'm not that interested.
	I'm famously...
	But there's this thing, the way the internet is, you've got every single thing that happens, you've got to have an opinion.
	Why?
	No, you don't.
	I don't have an opinion about the Gaza and Israel thing because I just don't know that much about it and I don't understand it.
	And every time I read about it, my brain frazzles.
	So I've just left it for somebody else to deal with.
	That's fine.
	But I would say that, look, if one were to take a selection of world events where, say, market-moving events, say, events that impinge on the consciousness of everyone in the world, It's a bit of a cop-out to say, I haven't got an opinion on who did this or where it came from because I haven't got time.
	I'm too busy looking at Jack Grealish's autobiography.
	You know, I'm not quite buying it.
	I think you're being slightly disingenuous here and playing the, I haven't got time to be a conspiracy theorist.
	I'm not asking you to be a conspiracy theorist.
	I'm just checking where you're coming from at the moment.
	A year ago, you'd have been different.
	Yeah, but I don't like...
	I just occasionally hear somebody talk about the Moon Langs.
	I occasionally hear somebody talk about 9-11.
	And a lot of the time, when somebody's...
	You judge the argument on the person.
	So you'll look at that person and go, oh, he looks like he knows what he's talking about.
	So I'll agree.
	Or, you know, he's very well presented or he's very well spoken.
	So I'll agree with his opinion.
	I just don't...
	I think to accuse me of being intellectually lazy is wrong because I'm interested in a lot of different things.
	I know you didn't.
	I'm preemptively describing.
	But I'm interested in a lot of things and I go up little bubbles.
	I'm not straw manning you because I'm not saying you're doing that.
	I'm just...
	You did say that I had not expended sufficient amount of brain power on...
	My reason for not knowing anything about it was...
	No, I was saying you're being disingenuous saying that you don't have an opinion.
	I don't really.
	I wasn't asking you to have done research.
	I was just...
	All I wanted was...
	And my opinion changes.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, I can see that you're now 50-50 moon landers.
	Look, the only reason, I can't remember what the phrase is, it's something like priors, checking someone's priors.
	When somebody's like if you went to see a financial advisor, you'd kind of be looking at his at his what his other clients been recommended, what is what his biases were towards this, how his prejudices reflected the actual movements of the markets and the bigger geopolitical geopolitical picture about whether he was into macro or micro, whether he was into.
	And you form a view in the same way when I go to Dominic Frisbee saying, where should we escape to?
	Where should we flee to?
	And I think, well, he's a gold bug.
	So that's that's that's in his favor.
	He writes about this kind of stuff.
	That's in his favor.
	He spends a lot of time thinking about it.
	But then.
	And I start getting klaxons going off and sirens and saying, he's an army, he's an army, he still thinks it's all okay in America.
	Okay.
	That's all.
	Let's go back to the initial question.
	You said, where does one go?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So where would you go?
	I would...
	I kind of like South America or Central America.
	Where in Central America?
	Costa Rica?
	Panama, maybe?
	Why?
	Well, I like the bird life in Costa Rica.
	The bird life in Costa Rica is superb.
	I like because lots of sort of shady people seem to go there and it seems to look after the interests of shady people.
	It's just a boring financial...
	It's not full of artists and stuff like that.
	Costa Rica is...
	The wildlife in Costa Rica is amazing, but there is no culture there.
	Costa Rica is culture-free.
	Thailand, I sort of like.
	Well, Thailand's great, and it's fun, and the beaches are nice, and you've got the jungles in the north, and the Thais are amazing.
	But, you know, there is a dark underbelly to Thailand, and it's run by the Chinese.
	What's wrong with the Chinese?
	Quite a lot.
	Would you rather be run by the Chinese or by America?
	I'd rather be run by America.
	Well, maybe.
	They're the same.
	Yeah.
	I think this is the insight.
	And you can't even buy land in Thailand.
	No, no, you can't.
	It's true.
	You'd have to have it in gold.
	And again, it's a different language.
	And it's a different culture.
	Completely different culture.
	It's a Buddhist culture.
	But you say you can't even...
	Okay, here's the thing.
	And I just think, if I'm serious about moving to another country, which actually I am because I think about it all the time, you know, where do we...
	And America have got the language.
	It's a great country.
	It's fun.
	It's not perfect, but it's a great country.
	Why would you not...
	And there's more opportunity in America than there is literally anywhere else in the world.
	Why would you not want to go to America?
	Because 50% of the people are fucking insane Hillary Clinton.
	Have they got the language, though?
	Because we gave it to them.
	No, but they say I could care less.
	Repeat fees.
	I could care less, they say.
	Okay, well.
	Can you imagine that?
	You'd be having a conversation and somebody could say, I could care less.
	And they say gotten.
	Gotten.
	Yeah.
	That would be annoying.
	No, no, I agree with you on Americans.
	Americans can be tremendous fun.
	And actually, in...
	In its favour, I was, during the hunting season, some Americans came over from New York to the place where I get my horses.
	And they belonged to a hunt in New York where they only hunted on the land belonging to this, the hunt chairman, I think it was.
	Acres.
	So they don't need to worry about antis or their government banning hunting.
	They've got this place they can go to.
	So I agree, there are good things about America.
	And I like the fact there's a lot of it, as you say.
	I like the fact that they've all got guns.
	These will only be extracted from their cold dead hands by the feds, which has got to be a good thing.
	So I like that.
	I think there's large areas of kind of...
	They're not very good at pretty little market towns, are they?
	No.
	And there's no culture of walking.
	It's one of the things I like about London and England is everyone walks everywhere.
	And that's one of the things I don't like about the country.
	I don't like about America.
	You walk out of your house, you get in your car and you drive.
	I don't like that.
	Well, the country, I walk everywhere, except when I'm driving to the supermarket.
	But I walk all the time.
	I walk to the church.
	Yeah.
	Back.
	There are people who live in the country who never walk.
	They're just getting their car and go everywhere.
	Yeah, but they're townie scum.
	All right.
	Yeah, they're incomers.
	I'm not an incomer anymore, apparently.
	Oh, you've...
	Yeah, you've...
	You've transcended.
	Well done.
	Ask me something, James, about something that I actually know about so that in this podcast we can deliver some value.
	We're going to carry on talking about...
	Do you ask me something which I don't know anything about?
	Because there's no interest to your listeners.
	All they're seeing is two middle-aged men.
	Do you know what?
	I think it's a bit like...
	You know Bohemian Rhapsody?
	Yes.
	Very well.
	You know how one of the things that makes it appealing is that there are sort of slow bits and fast bits?
	Or Stairway to Heaven.
	Stairway to Heaven.
	It's got that sort of slow intro, and then it's got the massive guitar break in the middle.
	Or Gammon and Proud by Dominic Frisbee, which has changing tempos as well.
	Does it use the same...
	Devices.
	Tropes.
	The same devices.
	It's my Bohemian Rhapsody.
	Well, in the same way, people are going to go, oh, I like the bit.
	After the goal discussion where James started taking the piss out of Dominic, oh, did you?
	I didn't like that bit.
	I thought James was really unfair on Dominic, and I thought that Dominic made a bravura defence of his position.
	Oh, did you?
	I thought he was shit.
	I'm a James man myself.
	Oh, I'm a Dom man.
	Tell me briefly, how is it?
	You're looking very good, may I say.
	Thank you.
	Not that I don't want to have sex with you at all, but if I were...
	You appreciate beauty when you see it.
	If I were a silver fox, you know, a lady looking for a very...
	In fact, do you know what, Dom?
	I hate to say this, but I mean, it's a nice thing in a way.
	You could actually appear on those adverts that require kind of silver-haired, good-looking gents, you know, advertising knitwear.
	Charles Tyrion.
	You could be even...
	You could do Charles Turret.
	You could even be on a higher level than that.
	You know, occasionally, I mean, you could actually advertise watches.
	Yeah.
	Patek Philippe, if not for life, and all that.
	Yeah, you could.
	But you'd have to have a small child for that one.
	Could you acquire a small child?
	I can work on it.
	It's all still functioning.
	I could produce one of my own.
	You could always be the grandfather in that, actually.
	Yes, woolly jumpers.
	You could.
	Stair lifts.
	You know the sort, don't you?
	You've seen these articles.
	I know exactly why, yeah.
	Are you still on your keto?
	Well, I never did keto.
	What I did was fasting, 5-2, and I have stopped.
	5-2 is when you don't eat two days a week and you eat normally five days a week.
	So good.
	Yeah, it's good, and I'm actually fasting today, which is probably why I'm a little short-tempered.
	Oh, I didn't notice.
	Now, so...
	But I stopped doing it and my weight crept back up, so I'm just trying to get back into it now.
	And it's hard, you know.
	It takes effort.
	What made me short-tempered yesterday was that I read...
	I was reading...
	Have you heard of Deliciously Ella?
	Ella Fitzgerald?
	No.
	She's this foodie, nutritionist cook that all the kids are into.
	All my kids' generation.
	What's her surname?
	Oh, it's something like Sainsbury's or something.
	I don't know.
	Look her up.
	I think she comes from some posho family or married somebody.
	I could be making it up.
	Go on.
	Her recipes are very good, although she does have a tendency to sneak in more vegetables than one might like.
	You know, you'll be making a kind of a dish requiring mincemeat and she'll shove in lentils and things to bolster it with alleged health.
	Yeah, 2.4 million followers.
	She's huge.
	She's got a podcast.
	And so there was an article with her.
	She does it with a supposed nutrition expert.
	And I read an article in the mail on Sunday.
	And it said, it was headlined something like, people don't know which way to turn, or people don't know who to believe, I think it was.
	And this duo were studying themselves as the duo that told you what you can believe, with their expertise.
	And one of the sections was on fasting.
	And she was saying, this is one of the most...
	I do not recommend this, or this is questionable.
	There is no...
	The only evidence that fasting works is from tests on mice.
	There are no peer-reviewed studies.
	And I was thinking, this is normie bollocks.
	Fasting works.
	It's really good.
	Yeah, it's good for you.
	It's good for your discipline.
	It's good for your weight.
	Say something that will probably rile you or something you, but all those religious practices from prayer to fasting to, you know, not coveting your neighbor's sheep, whatever they are, they're all there for a reason and that they work.
	And, you know, I don't think you even necessarily need to believe in God to still practice all those things, whether in their ancient form or in their modern form, because they're beneficial.
	And fasting has loads and loads of beneficial side effects.
	Apart from simple weight loss, it's supposed to be good for, there's a million things it's good for.
	And even just relaxing your kidneys and relaxing your livers for a little bit and giving them some time off.
	And there are all sorts of mental benefits and it reduces insulin, it does this and that.
	And I just think it's a good habit.
	Okay.
	When are you going to have your next...
	What?
	She's talking shit.
	We are finding agreement, and I've got you on your crabby, so you can emphasise your point with a bit of, you know, swearingness.
	When are you going to, not wishing to torment you, but when will you eat next?
	I'll have something light later on, but I won't have a proper meal until tomorrow.
	What will your light thing be?
	Well, I've got...
	Soup is always very good because it fills you up and there's not many calories in it.
	I've actually got some mackerel in the fridge, which I'm dreaming about at the moment, which I may eat.
	As fish goes, mackerel's quite calorific, but it's terribly good for you and it's cheap and it's filling.
	So I might have that with a bit of salad.
	Not being rude, but is that technically fasting if you're eating mackerel and salad?
	Well, you're allowed 600 calories a day.
	Ah, okay.
	So, yeah.
	On your fast days.
	On your fast days, yeah.
	That's interesting.
	I try and have less than that, but you're allowed.
	And apples are very good as well because they're, you know, 60% water and they fill you up and, you know, they're good.
	Have you considered going the next step and becoming Christian?
	I am a Christian.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, a proper one.
	What's a proper Christian?
	Well, I don't know how I can define it exactly.
	It's another thing, by the way.
	Singing is very good for you.
	Singing?
	I'll tell you something that's happened to me.
	This is bizarre.
	Or maybe I'm imagining it.
	But I have been going to church more regularly than I used to.
	What I'm finding is that blasting out hymns, my voice is getting, my singing voice is getting better.
	It will do.
	Ah.
	your voice is your vocal nodules so hmm Hello?
	Yes, hello.
	Oh, hi Clive.
	She's not here at the moment.
	I'm doing a podcast.
	So, okay.
	Yeah, your vocal cords are in effect a muscle and so the more you exercise them, the stronger and better they get.
	That would explain it.
	Because if you only go to church at Christmas and Easter...
	Come those carols, by the third carol, you really can't, you're all burned out, aren't you?
	I love singing, and I'm not a particularly good singer.
	I mean, I sing comic songs, but I'm not a very good singer.
	But the, you know, I do go to church.
	I don't like a lot of what's happened to churches.
	I don't like the language of prayer anymore.
	I prefer the King James version of the Bible, so I don't like the language that's used in a lot of churches.
	Common worship, it's called.
	It's rubbish.
	But, you know, I do walk a lot, and whenever I go past a church, I make a point of going in and getting on my knees and saying a prayer.
	And there are loads of things that I want to happen in my life that I've been praying about, but...
	When I actually get on my knees and start praying, in the end, I just keep expressing gratitude and thanks, which is another thing.
	I read loads of stuff about how to make your life better.
	I'm all into that self-help.
	And one of the things they all say is keep a gratitude diary because it grounds you and it centers you and it makes you appreciate the good things that you have and blah, blah, blah.
	Well, what is keeping a gratitude diary if not prayer?
	It's the same exercise.
	So yet again, it's an ancient practice that science, because science, whether it's, you know, social science or popular science or, you know, science science, is only discovering and validating now.
	But, you know, it wouldn't be a practice.
	It's like tradition.
	It wouldn't be a tradition.
	It became a tradition because it's good and it works.
	And just because you don't understand what the tradition is, it doesn't mean you should do away with it.
	You should just respect the fact that it's a tradition and a practice and practice it.
	It sounds to me, Dom, like you are a proper Christian.
	I think I am.
	You totally are.
	I think it's, you know, one of the reasons that our youth today are so...
	You said this to me, actually.
	You were the first person to say this to me on the Virgin podcast way back in the day.
	2015 it was.
	I was saying, why we've got all these stupid, you know, left-wing, crazy socialists, this, you know, all these crazy things that people are thinking.
	And it's just like, because we don't, nobody has, we don't have a god anymore, and we'd say we've just lost our guidance, and we've lost our way, and you need a god and a thing to give you a common culture and a common direction and a common, you know, practice and a common morality and all those things, and so, yeah, without it, we worship.
	You know, we worship the NHS because the NHS is now doing the thing that the church used to do and providing care for everyone.
	Why are you worshiping the fucking NHS?
	It's the most stupid thing to worship ever.
	But in the absence of the church, you worship the NHS.
	But yeah, I go into the church and I pray and I admire the beautiful architecture.
	And every time I walk past a beautiful church at the end of my road in Brockley, and you just see the spire.
	And you can just take a step back and imagine, maybe get...
	You know, channel your inner magic mushroom head, and you look at that spire going up to the sky, and it really is.
	Those spires were designed to take you closer to God.
	Now, that might be an illusion, or it might actually be that the spire is taking you closer to God, going up to God.
	It kind of doesn't matter which it is.
	Well, I totally agree with you.
	Sorry, this is what I was going to say.
	Where religion is really important is it...
	It gives structure to a life.
	You have your way of celebrating the birth with the baptism and then the coming of age with the confirmation and then the wedding.
	It gives structure to a life.
	And then even the death.
	What do you say when somebody dies?
	Well, you turn to the things that people always say when people die because people know what to do.
	You turn to the wisdom of your elders and that's why you've...
	It just gives structure to a life and to a society, and it's really important to have a common belief system, and the reason we're all at war is we don't have a common belief system.
	I mean, internal war, civil war, culture war, whatever you want to call it.
	Yes.
	Also, God is real, and he made us, and people who don't...
	Well, maybe, but I think my point, and this is maybe where we differ, is I don't know that God is real.
	You just have to trust that he is.
	And he may be real and he may not be real, but it almost doesn't matter because all the practices that you go through in believing that he's real and worshipping him and praying and fasting and being good to your fellow man and not coveting your neighbour's sheep and all the life, it's like...
	You go through all those practices.
	It almost doesn't matter if he's real or not.
	You will lead a better life and the world will be a better place.
	That would be my only quibble with anything you've said so far.
	That's basically Jordan Peterson says that.
	He says, as if.
	We've got to act as if.
	As if is a weasel construct.
	It's not.
	You're doing well, mate.
	I'm not here to...
	To diss your...
	It sounds really good.
	What you say is true.
	I think he's a good man, and you're going to tell me...
	You don't.
	I think he's a really good man, yeah.
	I've met him twice and had dinner with him twice, and I've just enjoyed him so much.
	Whoa.
	We can agree to disagree on that one.
	Okay.
	Before we ramble our way and discover that we've got no podcast time left, tell me...
	What is going on in the world of cryptos?
	Well, I just come back from a conference, actually, last couple of days, and it's funny how you need to keep learning the same lesson over and over and over again, and repeating the same thing over and over again.
	It's religion again, and I do think Bitcoin...
	Is another belief system.
	Free markets is another belief system.
	Socialism, they're all belief systems.
	But in any case, I was listening to all these refugees talking about...
	So there was a guy in Caracas who was describing just buying a loaf of bread and having to go in with a satchel of...
	Money and just the value of your money disappearing overnight.
	And there was another guy in Gaza.
	And so, in Gaza now, they've got no healthcare, they've got no electricity, but they all use solar panels, and so they've all got mobile phones.
	The banking system's completely fallen apart.
	In any case, if you wanted to send money to somebody in Gaza, you'd have to answer to the Israeli authorities, the Palestinian authorities, and Hamas, and you have to go, and then you have to pay bribes, and it's just impossible to send people money in Gaza.
	And obviously, Bitcoin is permissionless money, and you could send money directly to somebody in Gaza, and so that, you know, if you've got a family member in Gaza, and this is avoiding...
	I'm avoiding where they're saying, you know, Palestine, good, Israel, good.
	I'm avoiding all of that.
	And can they, and do they do that?
	Yeah.
	And it's a total fucking lifesaver because it's the only way people can get money.
	And you just might be an innocent civilian in Gaza, living your life in Gaza, and you're suddenly, there's wars imposed upon you.
	And you've got no, you've got no elections.
	You've got nothing.
	And you, and, and, and, and they all, you can send money with your mobile phones.
	And there's, and, and, and, and so it, it, it was just really interesting.
	Hearing people talk once again about the value of being able to send money directly from A to B, whether it's having to pay bribes or banking fees or ask somebody's permission or explain why you're sending the money.
	And it doesn't matter if it's trivial amounts of money, like £5 or billions of dollars.
	And just this extraordinary technology that we have that you can do that.
	A to B, no third parties.
	And it was just really good to hear.
	To just remind myself, because I was saying this to you 10 years ago, 12 years ago, but it's good to be reminded of it again.
	Yes, no, I agree.
	It's good to hear that.
	What I'm not sure about are the details.
	I thought things like gas fees and stuff made Bitcoin unwieldy.
	No, no, no.
	Gas fees is Ethereum, and Ethereum can get a bit unwieldy.
	But Ethereum is, you know, designed to build apps on top of it.
	It's not designed to be money.
	And Bitcoin, they've got this thing called the Lightning Network on top of it.
	So I actually sent myself, actually, from one wallet to another, but I just wanted to see if I could do it, a payment of one sat, which would be roughly maybe one twentieth of one P. And I was able to send...
	I think the implications of being able to send a payment that small, and it cost me absolutely nothing to do, you know, that's really...
	So imagine instead of all the...
	People just giving us a YouTube like.
	Imagine if everyone just tipped us one sat in this podcast and then this podcast got, you know, 10 million views because we're such profound thinkers that everyone wants to follow our wisdom and see these middle-aged men squabbling about conspiracy theories, you know, or they were entertained by it, whatever.
	I'd pay for that if I had Bitcoin.
	So the...
	And to be able to send a payment, you couldn't send a payment of 1 20th of 1p to somebody in Australia or Congo or Gaza or Venezuela or whatever it is, but the implications of being able to do that with Bitcoin are just extraordinary.
	Without having to seek anyone's permission.
	And that's what's so glorious about it.
	In terms of the actual price of what Bitcoin is doing at the moment, it's like $85,000, something like that.
	It's not like gold, which is a sort of risk-off asset.
	It's a risk-on asset.
	So it rises when the stock markets are going up and everyone's speculating and it falls when everyone gets worried and they correct.
	So the actual price is maybe...
	20-30% off its all-time highs.
	But, you know, it's still a lot higher than it was a year ago and two years ago and five years ago.
	Everyone should earn some Bitcoin.
	And is it going to be...
	Is it a kind of a Trojan horse for central bank digital currencies?
	I don't think central bank digital currencies are going to happen.
	I think they...
	That's interesting.
	I've put a lot of thought into this.
	And the problem is...
	Like, one of the reasons that the fiat system of money has survived as long as it has is fiat itself, the underlying money is crap.
	You know, it's the most terrible store of value ever.
	But it's a very good medium of exchange.
	Because, you know...
	I can go into a shop and I can just put my credit card on a thing and it can take $3.99 and it can be an instantaneous medium of exchange.
	But that's not because of governments or central banks.
	It's because of all the financial architecture that has emerged with digital technology and everything else around the payment system over the last 50 years or so.
	And in fact...
	You know, you could say the Telegraph was, you know, one of the first things they used the Telegraph for was sending money under the Atlantic from Britain to America.
	And they weren't sending actual money, they were just sending promises.
	And so money is communication and fiat money has just got...
	one of the reasons in my opinion that it hasn't collapsed is because so much has been invested in the financial architecture around fiat money, all the payment systems, credit cards, banking, all that stuff.
	You can hate banks, but you can still recognize that fintech, financial technology is pretty amazing.
	And it's that architecture that has propped it up.
	And so it's just normal for everyone to use it.
	And there's just too much vested interest for it to collapse.
	Whereas the problem with central bank digital currencies is that the government would have to...
	And so you would have to incentivize people to use them, which you could do by handing out freebies.
	But somebody's got to design that financial architecture.
	And it's not something you can just do in six months or a year.
	It takes years and years of progressive...
	You know, businessmen making mistakes and going bust and somebody else going, well, what he did wrong is this and I'm going to do this.
	And it just takes years and years of, what do you call it, incremental gains to get where we are.
	And it's just too big a leap to get people using central bank digital currencies.
	So the only way they could make it work is with shitloads of subsidy, a bit like wind energy and solar, and try and get people doing it that way.
	But there isn't the...
	Green justification for it that there is with solar and wind energy.
	And it would require similar amounts of investment.
	The government can't even design an NHS IT system.
	Imagine when payments start going wrong.
	It would be absolute mayhem and absolute chaos.
	And I just think the logistics of making it...
	I'll just too big an ask.
	And everywhere they've tried them, even the so-called success stories like the Bahamas, nobody uses them.
	You know, I've got a friend who lives in the Bahamas, and I was going to him, you know, because everyone says CBDC's work in the Bahamas.
	He's like, literally nobody uses them.
	So the only reason...
	And Nigeria, they were just a total clusterfuck.
	And they just...
	So they...
	It's just...
	It requires too much competence for them to work, and so that's why I don't think we'll ever see them.
	I'm not saying they won't try.
	I'm just saying they will try.
	Of course they will.
	It just won't work.
	I forgot to ask you, while we were on the crypto bit, what happened to El Salvador?
	I think it's doing great, isn't it?
	I thought that they'd done something recently where they'd sort of...
	I saw that, and then it turned out he'd done a double bluff or something.
	He did something, he kowtowed to the IMF and then he did something else.
	But basically, El Salvador was doing great and it's beating its, you know, outperforming its neighbours by some considerable margin.
	And, you know, I remember, do you remember in like the 90s what a clusterfuck El Salvador was?
	Oh, totally.
	That was the El Salvador and Nicaragua were the two, when I was at university, they were the two horror stories.
	Yeah, and there was that film, that James Woods film.
	But the, yeah, so...
	I think it's doing pretty well.
	And, you know, it's not as nice as Argentina may be yet, but it's getting there.
	It's maybe not up there with Costa Rica yet, but it's getting there.
	And, I mean, I haven't actually been, but...
	And the national finances holding it in Bitcoin has been wonderful for the national finances.
	So, yeah.
	But it's like all these things.
	The government does it, but it takes five or ten years before you really can prove that it works.
	I mean, he is a bit of a fascist, old Bukele, by the looks of things, but it's still...
	It seems to be working for his people.
	I have to say...
	He's a classic Latin American fascist, isn't he?
	But anyway...
	I look at those photographs of all those MS-13 gang members, whatever they are, in that prison, and I'm thinking...
	It's slightly inhuman, this treatment.
	Maybe they're so horrible that's the only way, but it does make me feel uncomfortable.
	Yeah, Bukele's just going to out-send all its...
	it's prisoning to El Salvador.
	I mean, it's brutal.
	But the point of prison is...
	One other point is for somebody to serve their time and do their penance, but the other point is to be a deterrent.
	And if our prisons are now...
	You just go to prison and spend a few years there and then get indoctrinated in the way of Islam and then come out even more of a terrorist than you were when you went in, you're like, what's the point of prison?
	It clearly doesn't work.
	And so, you know...
	At least he's got his prisons working and he's stopped crime.
	That's the point of prison, is to stop people committing crimes.
	It doesn't work here.
	This is where you and I would differ again.
	I'm so against the security state in all its forms, including the judicial system and stuff.
	It's terrible.
	It's awful.
	I don't trust the decisions being made that are sending people...
	Prison in the first place, and therefore...
	Well, some of them are right, but loads of them are bollocks.
	So I could never applaud a sort of system where it's now outsourced to somewhere really fascistic and evil.
	I mean, it's so awful, it's funny, but it's got to be better than ours, and our judicial system is so long-winded, and it just gets corrupted, and you've got all these people using legal aid and human rights lawyers tapping on your taxpayer money to defend some guy that's patently a criminal.
	And shouldn't be here, and stop him being deported, and then he goes into...
	You know, it's just horrendous, our legal system.
	Is there anything else you feel that we should have addressed?
	Yeah, I tell you what, actually, the most thing I wanted to mention was the fact that I've got a huge, huge comedy show coming up in April at the backyard, and, like...
	We haven't really talked much about comedy or done any of my comedy songs, but I know your audience and my audience is a big crossover.
	Not only because they like gold and so on, but, you know, your audience will find my songs.
	And we like your songs.
	Yeah.
	Oh, look, there's a black doggy in your garden.
	There's the...
	The...
	Your audience will love these nights.
	Liz Truss came to the last one, which was fun, and Roy Larner from the Millwall guy who said, F you, I'm Millwall against the terrorists.
	He was in the audience, and we sang my song about Roy Larner.
	It was just an absolutely brilliant night.
	And so, yeah, I would just...
	my comedy newsletter is frisbees.news but if you go on there frisbees.news all my gigs are up on there Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, that would be good.
	Are you...
	Which is bringing in more of your ink at the moment, the Flying Frisbee?
	Flying Frisbee used to be voiceovers, but I'm wrong age, wrong sex, wrong colour.
	Well, exactly, and you're wrong colour as well.
	I said that, wrong age, wrong sex, wrong colour, wrong views, wrong everything.
	But it's also AI is decimated and COVID decimated.
	It's an industry that's really struggling.
	And the things you can do with AI voices are incredible.
	The one thing AI can't do is inflect, as well as somebody who's a good reader can do.
	But, like, you know, you can just use AI and go, actually, I don't want an English 55-year-old Middle England voice.
	I want a 65-year-old Northerner or something, and you just type that in and you get...
	You know, so it's more versatile than even the most versatile character actor ever, but it can't inflect as well as I can yet.
	Can I just try you on something?
	Yeah.
	I listen to a lot of audiobooks.
	Yes.
	And I have certain bugbears.
	Yes.
	Well, audiobooks, I will just say this, there's so much work.
	Doing an audiobook.
	It's so much work recording one.
	And because of the Amazon margins and all that, you find a lot of the readers don't read the book before they record it.
	And so they're really like, they're winging it.
	And so a lot of the time, you listen to it and you go, I wouldn't have read that like that.
	But just literally because they haven't made a mistake, everyone just lets it go.
	Because there just is not the resources to be perfectionist about it, which is a great shame.
	And that's one area where AI will be, if it hasn't killed audiobooks already, it's about to happen.
	I may forget the word that I'm trying to think of, but this is sort of a similar word.
	How would you say the word G-R-A-N-D-E-U-R?
	Grandia.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How do you pronounce, or just to say...
	Always for lazy, Grandia.
	But Grandia would be the correct.
	Say the word N-U-C-L-E-A-R.
	Nuclear.
	With a new.
	U. What I've noticed...
	And if you're crap, you say nuclear.
	Yeah.
	What I've noticed is that quite a few readers are incapable of English readers who you think would be able to.
	We're talking Timothy West here.
	I don't know about nuclear, but he can't pronounce his, that grandeur, the dir.
	Dir, yeah.
	He says grandeur.
	Oh, does he?
	He does, which is not how we say the word in this country.
	Well, maybe...
	Like, I would have thought Timothy West would get it right, but anyway.
	No, I think everyone has it.
	It's a bit like the Persian carpet.
	It has a floor on it.
	Even Timothy West has his weaknesses.
	Yeah.
	But more than one reader, it's obviously quite hard for people from a particular part, some parts of the country cannot access that die, die, die.
	In the same way that there are pronunciations that we have difficulty with in foreign languages.
	It's, well, I have, like, I went to drama school and I spent a lot of time with my dad, actually, as well as being at drama school, working on my voice and speech.
	And so my day-to-day...
	Speaking is a bit lazy and I've got awful A sounds and it's just got a little bit estuary, which it shouldn't have done for someone of my education and upbringing.
	But nevertheless, you know, when I need to, I can turn it on.
	But it's like...
	I'm going to have to go in a couple of minutes, James.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's like...
	You know, going to the gym or becoming a sportsman or doing anything physical or even singing, like you said, with your vocal cords.
	You have to keep doing it to get better at it.
	And one of the enemies of modern speech is the microphone because, you know, once upon a time, in order to fill a theatre and be heard, you needed to have the crispest consonants you can imagine because it's the consonants that define the vowel sounds and...
	Bring clarity if you're filling a 2,000-seater theatre or an open-air theatre.
	You look at market tradesmen.
	They've always got fantastic voices on them because they're shouting all day.
	And because most of us no longer speak in theatres and have to fill large rooms because of the proliferance of the microphone, their speech generally has declined.
	And occasionally you'll find somebody who's really worked it in and is really very special.
	But for the most part, and this even applies to actors, and so...
	You know, who've trained.
	And, you know, I'm sure my speech was better 30 years ago or 25 years ago than it is now.
	And you just listen to old videos of just random people talking in the 70s who were in the 50s.
	And they just, you know, whether it's broadcasters or actors or just ordinary people, they spoke with such crisp diction and clarity.
	Totally.
	And it's a bit like...
	It's a skill we've totally lost because of modern technology.
	And you could say the same about, you know, we've lost our ability to drink crappy water because we're so used to drinking chlorinated water that we no longer have the microbes that break down shitty river water or whatever.
	It's a bit like that.
	We're weaker because of technology.
	Next time, we must do another one because I've really enjoyed this, actually.
	Yeah, I have as well.
	I'd much rather talk with you about things like diction and the declining speech or gold or any of these subjects or weights and measures than whether fucking 9-11 was an inside job or not.
	No, but you get defensive.
	That's just your hunger talking.
	It was perfectly okay, that little interlude.
	Okay.
	We have to feel around to find them.
	You have to have the soft bits so you can do the loud bits and vice versa.
	That's how it works.
	It's dynamic.
	I will try and remember what that word is, the annoying word, because it really annoys me.
	I kept listening out for it, and every time it came up, I was going, ew, ew!
	You cannot pronounce it.
	Tell us.
	Where?
	April, frisbees.news, but April the 20th at the Backyard Comedy Club in East London.
	It will be a memorable night.
	I promise you.
	Please come, James, if you're in love.
	And the substack?
	The substack with all the gold and financial stuff is theflyingfrisbee.com.
	That's brilliant.
	I'm very grateful.
	Thank you for a great podcast.
	And everyone, if you've enjoyed this...
	Try and work your way through the system.
	They try and put these barriers to stop you basically signing up.
	I understand how hard it is.
	But if you can make the effort to sign up to Substack or Locals or...
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	Support my sponsors, please.
	They're good.
	And if you don't want to do that, buy me a coffee.
	And thank you for listening.
	And thank you again, Dominic Frisbee.

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