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There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition to my 2012 classic book.
Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011, actually.
The first edition came out.
and it's a snapshot of a particular era, the era when So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us, we've got to act now.
I rumbled their scan.
I then asked the question, okay, if it is a scan, It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands up.
I think it's a good read.
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There we go.
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It's a scam.
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Welcome back to the Delling Pod, Owen Benjamin.
I'm looking at your background and I'm seeing clear blue skies.
Have they not been doing their job recently, the chemtrail?
Bastards.
We don't have them here.
We just have these fluffy clouds and beautiful blue skies.
Yeah.
Like on that little...
No, what's that?
Is that a British song?
Oh, check it out.
It's a classic from the rave era.
And it's called Little Fluffy Clouds.
And it's got samples of, I think, I think it's somebody like Joni Mitchell talking about in an interview, what were the skies like when you were young?
But you're not actually in Arizona, are you?
Yeah, moving here was wild.
It was like going back in time.
Cause I used to live in Los Angeles and it was like being in a tick tock toe board, you know, And then up here, I don't know what it is, but there's just no...
Every now and then you'll see a spray.
You'll see like just a streak and a weird mist.
But in general, this area is pretty chill.
I don't want to pique my envy too much, but how many acres do you have?
I have ten here, and then after this chat, I'm going up to another ten acres.
Like in the wilderness on a river, I'm making cabins out of stone.
Wilderness on a river.
Oh, and can you swim in the river?
Yeah, you can literally drink water out of the mountain streams.
Tell me something bad.
Are the mosquitoes bad or something?
No!
The fires are horrifying.
The winters are brutal.
I mean, the wildfires are crazy.
So it's not like this is Narnia.
I mean, it has its problems, but some of the skies are amazing.
The wildlife is amazing.
The water's clean.
The people are great.
There's farm stands everywhere.
I mean, I sell fresh eggs and cheese like right on the street off my house.
And it's such a high trust area that people just put money in the box and it's all honor system.
That still happens, you know, amazingly, that even happens still in the English countryside.
Beautiful.
And generally, it doesn't get nicked.
But you've got so much more space over there.
So much space.
Which we haven't got.
So many guns.
I mean, I know dudes with, like, tanks.
Yeah.
That would be my argument.
I had an argument with another...
And I'm saying, well, no, because Trump's in on it.
He's part of the enemy and blah, blah, blah.
But actually, your guns are kind of an argument for moving to the States.
Yeah, the States are awesome.
I mean, and just how much space and natural resources we have.
I mean, I know Amish guys and Mennonite guys that they don't need any outside input.
I mean, And they make incredible stuff, like metal roofing, just everything.
They, like, have a 10-year-old trapping raccoons and selling the skins.
It's pretty cool.
You know, it's dependence that's going to get people in trouble.
Oh, yeah, I know.
I almost feel that I'm already past the stage where I can fend for myself.
I've spent the last weekend gardening, but really failing.
But you're very witty, though.
I mean, every warlord wants a witty guy around.
You know?
It's like, that's very valuable.
I'll put on the stupid hat.
I'm in that boat.
I'll put on my stupid hat with the bells.
Yeah, that's me too.
I got the hat ready to go.
I mean, I might be pretty good at farming, but I still have to be the witty guy.
It sometimes works, doesn't it?
You can talk the enemy.
Out of killing you.
Yes.
By your good humor.
Yes.
What's that quote?
Is it Oscar Wilde?
Make them laugh or they'll kill you.
Sort of thing you might have said.
I'm like, I can ride horses.
I mean, that's good.
I'm signing my kids up to learn how to ride horses.
That's a big one.
Talk about energy independence.
Do it with them.
You've got to learn.
I'm assuming you can't ride a horse by what you just said.
No, I'm 6 '8".
I mean, it's like the horse just looks at me like, dude, this is not for you.
I mean, I might need like a Clydesdale or something.
Yeah, you need a Clydesdale.
There are horses big enough to accommodate.
Look, people who've been 6 '8 have ridden hunters before.
If you had a 19 hands hunter, that would accommodate you.
I don't know how many 19 hands is.
I mean, that sounds very aggressive.
Well, I mean, it's only about height.
It's not about how vicious they are.
There's not a rating from 15 hands is gentle and 19 would take your arm off.
19 hands, it sounds like a ditty party or something.
I mean, that sounds like a real grope fest.
Ah, you reminded me.
Have you established Ian Carroll?
Is he actually gay or is it just his moustache that makes his Tom Selleck?
He's got a twinkle in his eye.
I don't know.
I feel like I can spot it.
He seems twinkly.
But the fact that he did engage with a good sense of humor, that was a pretty heterosexual move by Ian.
But at the same time, I mean, his stash is just...
And you can have a non-gay stash.
It's just the way he wears a stash is very...
It's like peak Freddie Mercury.
It just seems very gay.
Have you seen my brother Dick's moustache?
No.
Well, I'll send you photographs.
Not for masturbating or anything like that, but they're pure.
He's got a manly moustache.
He specialises in war reenactment, and he's currently a French foreign legionnaire, but before that he's been, you know, Napoleonic.
A voltageur in the Napoleonic Infantry.
He's been in Civil War, our Civil War.
Yeah, he earned his stash.
You don't get a stash like that on TikTok.
You know, you've got to be in the Foreign Legion.
When Ian Carroll first appeared, and you're right, he appeared kind of magically.
There was no heralding his arrival.
It's just like he came out of nowhere.
I did think briefly.
This guy is so cool.
He must come on my podcast.
And then I started asking questions like, how?
How did this guy amass?
It's very suspicious.
And I can smell it, you know?
And so I'm making fun of him and people are like, why are you making fun of him so much?
No one knows who he is.
And I'm like, just wait.
And then three months later, people are like, you're just jealous of his success.
I'm like, you people will fall for anything at this point.
You know, it's like, it seems completely fabricated.
You know, I wish him well in a sense.
He's also 6 '8", apparently, but he sure doesn't act 6 '8".
He acts like a sneak.
I like what he says, but I'm not altogether sure.
Well, we can't trust him because of...
Organically, do you?
No, and he's always trying to bring everyone to BlackRock, and he never talks about solutions.
He's not talking about solutions.
We had that big day where the woman called the kid a word that I love, and he's just trying to ruin the day by talking about BlackRock, and I'm like, let us have this day.
It's a great day.
The spell is being broken.
To be fair, people sometimes lay the charge against me that I don't speak of solutions.
And they use that as a kind of tell against me that I must be there for solutions.
You were just watering strawberries.
It's that simple.
I don't mean like huge solutions, just like small little things that you can do to help morale, and I think you totally do that.
That is true.
If I'm going to do anything at all for humanity, it's going to be...
I just think somehow the very act of riding a horse is it contributes to the well-being of the world because you think about the ecosystem that surrounds a horse.
You've got farriers to put their shoes on.
You've got the people who own the stables, because obviously people like me aren't fit to own a horse.
You've got the people who do the food and the community of fellow riders.
So I think riding is one of those unmitigatedly good things, a good and noble thing.
I see horses as kind of ultimate proof of God.
I mean, it's like, imagine if your car, if you had to earn the respect of your car.
You know, I think it keeps people in check.
It's like you have to brush their back and clean them because if they have an itch, they'll like...
It's like a high conscientiousness form of transportation and you're completely without the supply chain.
They just eat grass.
And it requires so much competence that it's a beautiful thing.
I think that when man started riding horses, that's kind of like when we really became civilized.
Totally.
It's really weird having such a powerful relationship with Something that isn't your species.
And it has the power to kill you in an instance.
I mean, horses can kill you just like that.
Easily.
But they generally, luckily, they generally don't.
And there are all sorts of weird sort of bonding.
You know that they can feel your emotions through your arse, among other things.
They sense when you're afraid.
Just from tiny little...
I think they're almost psychic.
At the same time, they're like male teenagers.
They're slightly undemonstrative.
They don't show their emotions very easily, except when they do, and then you're fucked.
Yeah, no, it's a beautiful thing.
I've got people that write up here.
I just don't think I'm civilized enough.
It requires so much effort and so much knowledge that, I don't know, hopefully I'll get there one day.
I'm still at goats and cows and alpacas.
Fortunately, I've never had any of them die except for one alpaca with old age.
But horses, it seems like their diet's very specific and they're very temperamental and they have to be really groomed and taken care of.
Chickens are a lot easier for me.
You give them food and you just let them do their thing.
I think you're right about the horse thing, which is why I don't have one.
I think it would be a full-time job.
They do stuff like they get colic.
Now, you think, okay, well, back in the day, you might have thought, oh, I know, I'll get the vet and you'll give him a colic pill.
But obviously, you don't want to go anywhere near vets if you can help it.
But colic, I think it comes from things like eating grass that is too green or too fresh.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Hang on a second.
You mean you can't just give them grass?
It has to be the right sort of grass.
And if it's not, you have to restrict them.
That sounds way too complicated for me.
Yeah, they're like a dichotomy.
They're like a Spartan warrior mixed with a Seattle hipster.
They're like, oh, that's not the right grass for me.
I'm like, dude, my goat just ate a shoe.
Come on.
I mean, that's the thing about being like a Joe Rogan.
He could just ride on a goat.
That's why I make fun of little guys a lot.
He could literally ride a goat, and that would be a lot of fun for him.
Or she.
I mean, come on.
I mean, he's very, he has the height of a woman.
I know, you see, I can never tell how, quite how far down the rabbit hole you are, whether you're as dangerously far down as, I mean, because, okay, you genuinely don't believe in pandas, do you?
That they are fake and gay.
Yeah, I mean, I think they're like Shih Tzus.
I think they were completely bred relatively recently, and they're nonsense animals.
Yeah.
Yeah, so we're good on that.
You presumably don't believe in dinosaurs.
Well, I lost you for a second.
Believe in what?
Dinosaurs.
No.
Not even close.
No.
They're fake.
Good.
Where are you on space?
I don't think there's any.
I think NASA is a PSYOP company.
I think it has to do with giving you a version of what the world is in your mind.
I don't know what's way up there.
That's the thing.
I tap out when I can't prove something.
I can show contradictions.
I can show logic fallacies.
I can deduce things where it's not a possibility, but I don't then know what it is.
The CNN is more down the rabbit hole than anybody.
They think people played golf on the moon and there's gay babies and shit.
Nobody has ever played golf on the moon.
There are no gay babies.
There's no gay babies.
And Katy Perry.
Katy Perry, what was that about?
She didn't go to space, did she?
No, I think it's a fertility ritual.
You ever see my video about the history of rocketeering?
No, no.
I gotta send it to you.
Okay.
It's a comedy.
I mean, don't get me wrong.
I'm a doctor, Dr. Brett Weinstein.
And that's like, I'm playing a character, I think it has to do with Osiris' phallus.
It's all about fertility rituals.
I think they put six lesbians in a blue dick.
I think it's kind of performative.
It's funny, but it's also true.
It's true.
The CEO of Blue Origin is named Dave Limp.
I'm dead serious.
Look up Dave Limp.
His last name is Limp.
And it's literally just a big clip dick.
You know, with the Saturn rockets and Wernher von Braun stuff, they're like blowing up dicks in the sky.
I mean, I know it sounds like I'm the crazy one when I say that, but if you look at the mythology of Osiris and Set and all that, it really is about his dick.
Like, it's like they're trying to do a fertility ritual with the Egyptian god's dick.
Like, literally, with Isis.
Yeah, which is why all the capital cities and the Vatican, they've all got Asherah poles, as they're called, in the Bible.
They've all got obelisks.
You're right.
It is about it is about the day and and and these things are kind of thrust in people's faces and they think oh Yeah, this is what happened when people went to eat when when the Imperial No, it's not.
It's about...
Yeah, and the moon, 28-day cycle.
You know, just like a woman.
It was all about planting a flag in the woman.
And it's la luna.
It's a feminine.
I think the whole thing has to do with dicks.
And it's like, and I think there was a big baby explosion.
Is there like, Yeah.
Well, yeah, only connect.
Everything, everything.
Because that's how they operate.
I think the reason they get away with it, one of the reasons, is that people can't comprehend that there could be a conspiracy this big, this coordinated, where...
Yeah, no, it's a very ancient, it's an ancient craft.
Yeah, yeah, like, I mean, I don't know if you've had someone in your life where you couldn't fathom how messed up they were, so you just didn't see it for a while.
And then you're like, oh, dude, that guy's crazy, you know?
And I think it's kind of like that, where it's like when you have a natural disposition to...
You can't really comprehend that there's people that all they want to do is control and trick.
Because it's not really something that enters your mind.
So then when you first see it, you're like, wow, anything's possible.
And so that's why, you know, a lot of these rabbit holes, you know, Of course it's possible Joe Rogan's a woman.
I don't know.
But it's possible.
It's possible that someone would want to do a humiliation like that or to do a giant trick, but I don't know.
Do you think, I think this is a very useful litmus test.
Bill Hicks?
Yeah.
I don't know.
Bill Hicks was so funny, though.
It's like, I can't imagine Bill Hicks doing that character that long and being satisfied artistically.
But they do go, as you say, they do go for humiliation rituals.
Yeah, I mean, sometimes, have you ever seen the one about, who was it, JFK became Jimmy Carter?
You ever see that one?
That would be, yeah.
Yeah, there's a few of those.
Same with Rush Limbaugh was Jim Morrison.
And I mean, you know, it's possible.
Some of these deaths seem so absurd.
It's like Jim Morrison just died in his bathtub and then he got buried in France and nobody like looks, you know, it just seems so sketchy.
That's not typically how people die.
Well, the whole Jim Morrison thing starting with what his dad started the Vietnam War.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's why I think Morrison is up there on the list for me because His dad started Vietnam with the Gulf of Tonkin.
He was the admiral in that psyop.
So he's running the whole counterculture movement.
He can't sing.
I mean, he can sing enough, but it's like, that was all complete nonsense.
So then he dies at 27 of weak drugs.
I mean, a pot brownie now is stronger than heroin was in the 70s.
You know, so it's like...
For me, he's textbook that.
But some people I know do just die.
But some of these guys, when their dad's in the military-industrial complex and they're definitely running a script, I would guess you take that talent and you use it somewhere else, you know?
You say they just die, but you don't know that.
I've killed many of them.
I'm just kidding.
Yeah, you haven't.
Yeah, you don't know.
You don't know, but it's just like the, I don't know how the world really works deep, deep down, but just from random chance, like people do just die.
I like the big dog in the background.
What's he?
Oh, that's George.
He's a great Pyrenees mixed with a boxer.
Hey, George.
He's a good dude.
He looks like he's gentle.
He's both.
That's why he's kind of contradictory.
Right now, he's being very meek and sheepish because he wants to go run with the cows.
But yeah, he used to jump the fence and run everywhere, but I told him that in Idaho, I'm not following you anymore, George, because everyone's armed to the teeth.
And it worked.
He just didn't jump any fences.
Eight-foot fence around my whole property.
Well, that might help.
Yeah.
So, just going back to this important where do dead celebrities go?
Because I think it's a scene worth mining.
Yeah.
David Bowie, for example, he obviously is not dead.
Yeah, that was weird, yeah.
So, what's he doing now?
Just somewhere being real gay, probably with Ian Carroll.
Yeah, that should be your next Ian Carroll question.
Your follow-up.
You smack him with the David Bowie.
David with Freddie Mercury, obviously.
Yeah, I don't think Freddie Mercury, I think that was a total psyop.
Just for the record, I can't prove any of that, but it seemed like he launched the AIDS thing.
Because he was like, famously wouldn't take any drugs, and at this point, it's pretty obvious AZT was AIDS.
So he wouldn't take drugs, and then he very publicly died of AIDS.
So that all these other gay guys were all like, oh, we have to take AZT, and then they all died of AZT.
So I think that he was definitely, that was a side-op in my opinion.
You say he didn't take drugs.
The story I heard about Freddie Mercury was that he had these parties where they had dwarves with silver trays balanced on their heads with lines of cocaine on them.
Oh no, he wouldn't take AIDS drugs.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, yeah.
I think, well, we know that the whole AIDS thing was a complete...
What did you say?
We know, duh, that the whole AIDS thing was a complete style.
I mean, everything about AIDS was fake.
And I resent that because I'm sure that there would have been some sex that I didn't have in the 80s as a result of that scare.
I mean, not by my choice, but girls might have thought that, you know.
Yeah, I mean, it was Fauci.
I mean, it was the same guy did AIDS.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think, by the way, that foot and mouth I don't believe in.
Do you?
I don't even know what that is.
I've heard of that.
What's foot and mouth?
It's a livestock disease, which allegedly means that the government has the right to cull your herd of cattle.
Yeah, it's nonsense.
It's cattle mainly.
I'm sure it is.
It's a bit like bird flu.
They invent these things.
Maybe they don't have it in Idaho because people know that if somebody came around from the government trying to kill their herds, they'd probably shoot them, would they?
Yeah, it would not work in Idaho at all.
Like, not even close.
Yeah, you don't hear any of that here.
It's like, I think a lot of it's psychosomatic.
Listen, I know people have the reaction and all that, but I think a lot of it has to do with shame.
Because when I was touring and I was fairly hedonistic, if an STD existed, I would have gotten it.
And I didn't ever have any.
And so I'm just like, I don't know, man.
I think it might be created by shame.
Because I didn't have shame.
I was like, this is great.
And I think it's You know, I think when you have that moral conflict, it really messes up your health.
That's a really interesting theory.
Do you think...
Yeah.
Well, I mean, people say...
You know, I'm not very dogmatic.
But yeah, go on.
Right.
Do you think God minds all that fornication you had in your misspent youth?
Do you think he wants repentance for it, or do you think he's a, yeah, whatever, he was a comedian?
I think it all has to do with what you're aware of.
I think that if you're unaware, I don't think you're as hurt by it.
But if you want to do damage to other people, if it's like...
I think it damages you as well.
For me, it was just about wasting my time, wasting my life, but it all ended up good.
I got out with the woman I was supposed to get with.
Basically, you've had your cake and you're eating it.
It's great.
You had all the sex you needed and you're in this kind of model Christian...
I'm watching it happen right now.
It's like they're doing it to themselves.
It's very self-destructive.
When I was more hedonistic, it was never about ego for me.
I was more like a piece of trash floating in the air.
It wasn't like I was...
Because I know some of these guys where they're all about getting...
For me, it was like, after a show, The Hot Chick at the Bar, that was like, I like how you play Coldplay.
You want to make out, you know?
And so that wasn't really, I don't know, it just didn't feel as predatory.
So I think that that's why I kind of avoided a lot of...
I mean, I've had my share of punishments, but it was all just part of the ride.
Yeah, I think that's why you failed.
You just kind of weren't evil enough.
Dude, I swear to God, I think that's part of it.
I think that they throw out little hints to see if you're ready to be evil.
And I was too much like, yeah, man, people are great.
Because they want you to, like, hate.
They want you to, like...
I was just very talented, so I could get really high up in Hollywood.
I mean, I was repped at CAA and stuff.
And just because I could perform so well and they really wanted my demographic, they wanted someone to be able to control, you know, working class, middle class, upper middle class, white males.
And it's like, but I didn't want to, like, hurt anybody.
Like, I started not wanting to, like...
Do you know what?
You've just reminded me of something.
I'm writing this book at the moment called White Pill, which is about sort of my journey into Christianity, and I sort of go through my past life and analyze it, knowing what I know now.
And one of the things I've noticed is that gels with what you said about talent, Yeah.
get on and they're around which is why the sort of psychopaths become bosses and people who are good kind of stuff that they're sort of lower tier.
They never get promoted.
They're too nice.
And I was in a really, what I now realize was a really shitty industry.
I mean, the massive line machine, what could be a bigger line machine than the, well, I suppose Hollywood is, but, but, but, you know, Next to Hollywood is the media.
And I saw various people do really bad things in order to get promoted because they had no talent.
And I wonder why, immodestly, what I've worked out is I was way too good a writer to need to make the moral compromises necessary.
If somebody asked me to write a piece I didn't want to do, I wouldn't do it.
I don't agree with it.
And it's probably the same with you.
With your comedy, you were genuinely funny.
You didn't need to...
No, there's two ways of competing.
You either out-compete or you sabotage everyone else and try and control the world.
It's like, are you going to build a better building or demolish everyone else's?
And so it's like, short-term, that way works better.
It's just long-term, everything sucks now.
You know, it's like...
It's like now that there's an internet, if you're really talented, you can be like, yeah, I'll just release my own special.
And I was one of the first guys to do that out of Hollywood in like 2013.
I was like, oh, I'll just sell my special on Vimeo.
I'll just do it myself.
And I don't have to pay my agents 10%.
I shot one in Manchester, England.
I was like...
And they were so afraid of that, that that's when a lot of the campaigns against me started, because that's the end of the road for Hollywood.
They're basically travel agents that won't admit Orbitz exists.
And that's why they like the Katy Perrys of the world, these train wrecks, because without the machine, they can't go independent.
No one would like them.
No one would find them funny.
Amy Schumer's not funny.
You can't just go independent.
You know?
You've upset me now.
I've seen a lot of really funny...
right no Amy Schumer Yeah, yeah.
They're not supposed to be on a stage in front of strange men.
It just makes your instincts feel weird.
How much do comedians get paid for those Netflix specials?
$20 million, like just on, on I mean, how is that possible?
How do they generate $20 million?
Oh, no, it's all social engineering.
Like people were so pumped for me.
It was like, oh, And then Netflix starts rolling out $500,000, $750,000, a million dollars for like...
But the whole thing was that it was all political.
It all had to be victim consciousness and all this other shit.
And my stuff was never victim-y.
It was never about controlling a demographic and getting people to have victim consciousness.
And now that's why stand-up sucks now.
It's like when you go on Netflix, none of the top ten are ever stand-up specials now.
You know, Chappelle was one of the only ones, and he used one of my five-minute bits word for word.
The LGBT one.
It's like, you started with the L's, and the L's, and then you get the G's, and then the B's.
And Caitlyn Jenner, Woman of the Year, hasn't been a woman for a full year.
I did that six years before him when it mattered, like while it was actually happening.
And then he does it for $20 million.
And then my YouTube channel gets banned because, Because for them, it's all about social control.
It's like Netflix was started by Edward Bernays' nephew, who's also related to Sigmund Freud.
And so comedy is the ultimate in breaking spells, if it's done properly, because it just breaks bad rhetoric.
And so they have to control that.
And so now I'm performing.
But the funniest thing is...
Like, I'm so funny that I can perform in a field in Missouri and hundreds of people show up versus they have to fabricate all these stadium shows.
I mean, they take all these corporations and they have all their employees go to these shows.
And so it looks like they have all these fans, but a lot of it is completely nonsense.
Yeah.
Tell me about the psychology of...
I literally could not, even if you paid me $20 million, and even if I were a comedian, I could not...
I'd feel so much pressure on me to generate $20 million worth of hilarity that I couldn't cope with it.
How do they go onto that stage in front of that kind of friends and family audience and persuade themselves that they're earning...
Well, they, I mean, that's why they're all crazy and they don't really have friends and family.
That's why they're all, like, gay now and shit.
Right.
Yeah, no, it's nonsense.
That's why they have to, like, unearned wealth, unearned prestige is really bad for people's heads.
And that's why you're seeing such mental illness out of that group.
Because they're not worth it and they know that.
And money doesn't solve people's problems like they think it does.
They all deep down know they suck.
And that's why when I'm mocking them, it's actually good for them.
Because I know Joe Rogan.
I know he has imposter syndrome.
I know he thinks his specials suck.
And that's why he puts them on the wall of his comedy club like they're the greatest things ever.
because that narcissism is like a coping mechanism to not face the reality that you're not a talented comedian, you know?
I did actually watch 10 minutes of his...
It was awful.
And you did kind of feel sorry for him.
That would give you imposter syndrome, that experience.
Absolutely.
And that's why just be honest about what you are.
When I was going through the cancellation and holding my ground and everything, some people were trying to treat me like I was more special than I was.
Just tell people you're not that.
You know, people are like, I'm like, dude, I'm still just a comedian.
I'm not that guy.
I'll never be that guy.
And so if people are just honest about what they are, you don't end up crazy.
you know, but these guys, they think they're like, that they're like these epic comedians.
And I'm like, guys, The comedy scene wasn't controlled like the Hollywood scene was.
It's like we really were not as controlled.
You have your actors and all their little parties and rituals and all that shit.
We didn't do that.
We were doing sets every night at clubs with real working people and we had to make them laugh.
And so it's, and we're on the road all the time.
And so then Netflix...
I figured out how to control the comedian world and that's why they got flooded with all this money and that's why it all sucks now My friend Alistair Williams, who's really funny It's a comedian reckons that they are Trying to get comedians out of situations where they I mean in England And
Have you got that thing in America where there's a new format on Amazon Prime where the idea is comedians in a house and the idea is not for anyone to laugh at anyone else's jokes?
No.
I was in a pilot once for the CW with the Impractical Jokers where that was the thing.
It's called Don't Laugh or something where I had to go up to people in public.
And if they didn't laugh, they won something.
I remember doing that years ago.
Yeah, well, it's big right now.
Apparently, it started out in Japan.
It's been formatted everywhere.
So there's an Irish one.
It's something like Last Man Laughing.
Yeah.
Dave Chappelle, I did like his joke about Macaulay Culkin.
I suppose thinking about what one knows about Hollywood, even that's a bit sick, because, I mean, everyone's a pedophile.
I didn't see that one.
I haven't watched comedy in a bit.
There's some, like, random dudes that are really funny, but what did he say about Macaulay Culkin?
Well, he was saying, I'm not saying I would, but if I were a pedophile, if I were a pedophile, Macaulay.
It's pretty funny.
Yeah, I mean, it's dark.
I was watching it, and I was thinking, this is quite near the knuckle for a Netflix show.
Yeah, that's pretty dark, but it's funny.
I mean, I just chuckled.
What about, where are you on Ricky Gervais?
Because he was funny a lot of his early career, and he seems to be, I mean, he gets away with a lot.
The awards ceremony is where he, He says stuff to Hollywood actors that we'd all like to say, but we don't normally say it out loud at awards ceremonies.
Yeah, that was funny when he hosted the Golden Globes.
He was just calling them a whole bunch of pedos and stuff.
Yeah, it was great.
You must understand the system.
How do you get permission to do that?
Because somebody must have said, it's okay.
They probably needed...
It's like a balance.
You can't completely lose the crowd or else you have no social control.
So they probably just ran the numbers and they're like, we have to give them something.
And so that's probably what it was.
Yeah, that was really funny though.
He was just talking so much shit.
And they have to take it.
I mean, was Tom Hanks in the...
Then they just close up on their faces.
That was great.
Dude, there's this one British guy that, I think he's like a liberal guy too, but he was making fun of the fact he's a liberal elite.
What's his name?
He did a bit about how farming is like shady.
You know the bit I'm talking about?
He's like, this chicken.
He's like, an egg comes out of his arse every day.
He's like, remember that guy?
He has like his own show.
Do you remember?
And it's an old sketch.
It's about how farming is like...
He's like, I wake up in the morning and I'm at work.
He's trying to get everyone in on a scam, but it's just about farming.
That guy's funny.
That sketch is so funny.
I do remember the thing now.
I didn't find it as funny as you do, which is interesting.
What, the farming one?
Yeah.
If I were a younger person, I would know how to operate ChatGPT.
There are these things now that you can just ask it questions and it will tell you.
Yeah, like a weird autistic...
Yeah, it's like a...
An oracle?
Yeah, but I don't want to acquire that skill because I feel that I will have joined their system too much.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah.
No, I'm like that with writing.
Because sometimes it does spit out some pretty interesting shit, but I don't want to lose that muscle.
Like, right now I'm horrible at directions because of the map app.
And I just suck at it now.
Like, I just suck at knowing where streets are without digital help.
And I know it's because I've used my phone too much.
And I don't want that to happen with creative writing.
You are so right.
I was in Florence recently, and for some reason my phone doesn't do that thing where it gets messages from the ether.
It's been programmed so I can only do it with Wi-Fi.
So I'm wandering around the streets just completely lost, whereas in the old days I would have got a map, the tourist map, and within 24 hours I'd have sussed out the lie of the land.
And now we're all completely at the mercy of these signals.
Yeah, and my spelling was never great, but now it's horrible.
Because I'll just, you'll just be like spelling a word and I'll be like, oh, this is the way to spell it.
And your mind just doesn't have that resistance anymore.
And so it's...
You're so right about that.
It's worse, isn't it?
It's not just the spelling.
They now anticipate what sentence you're going to write.
And I'm thinking, don't think you're clever enough to get it in my head.
Maybe some ordinary shitty person you might do that, but I'm me.
Right.
You can't predict me.
No.
They probably will be able to one day, but not yet.
I'm giving them...
I don't think they're ever going to...
I think it's going to degrade because they're going to be...
The more that there's AI in the ether, the more it's just like going to be a copy of a copy of a copy until it's just like an abomination.
I've started getting letters from PRs in the podcast world which have clearly been written by AI.
So what they'll have done I found your podcast with Owen Benjamin really interesting, especially when you talked about farm animals.
So I think that this random farmer would be an ideal guest on your podcast.
It's like everyone talks like an undercover cop now.
It's like, hello, fellow podcaster.
I also related to your talk about farm animals.
Have you tried buying this new hay?
Yeah, yeah.
It's weird.
It's like the uncanny valley.
There's like a weird feeling about it.
Do you think...
This is another how far out there you are.
Do you think that one's success in worlds like comedy and movies and stuff is ultimately about harnessing the power of dark foreshadowing?
I mean, the actual forces of darkness.
You want to get the demons on side.
You want to get Baal and Moloch and all the other kind of junior level gods that got given power over the world after the fall of the Tower of Babel, which is why they sacrificed children to Satan and stuff.
I mean, do you think that that does give you power?
I think it gives you inverted power, like the short-lived Faustian power.
You have a Ferrari and no gas, eternal life and a life sentence.
I see that all the time.
When people try and force their hand with power through this type of ritual stuff, they get what they think they wanted and it's like hell.
And, you know, my life is the exact opposite.
Like, what you were talking about, about how I live this, like, little house on the prairie, I have four little kids running around.
Like, I live in, like, a Norman Rockwell painting.
And I was told that my life was being ruined and I was going, you know, that everything was falling apart and I'm unhinged and insane and all this stuff.
And I wanted more success in comedy.
Like, it wasn't like I was quitting.
I wanted to do bigger.
I wanted to do big tours and all that stuff, but I wasn't going to cuck.
I wouldn't lie, because then I would have nothing.
I'd have no artistic merit.
And so I ended up getting what I didn't think I wanted, and now I would never want what they have now.
I'm watching their lives, and I'm like, that looks miserable.
And I think the opposite is true.
Like they sell out for what they think they want, some giant house and all these like starry eyed chicks.
And I think that that's the demonic power that you're given.
And I think it's a mockery of man.
And I think that the demons feed on that look in the eye when they realize they've made a terrible mistake.
Have you read or seen Dr. Faustus?
When I was very young.
Yeah, when I was young.
Yeah, my dad was an opera singer.
And my mom taught literature.
And I was introduced to Faust very young.
I just don't really remember it.
I remember the concept really well of the Faustian deal.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I'm not familiar with the opera.
But, I mean, yeah, as you say, same story.
But the play, it's a very weird, weird play.
And when you I mean, Marlowe was a spy.
He used to hang about in bars.
He was gay.
He was the Ian Carroll of his day.
The guy who wrote Faust was a Peter Puffer?
No, he wrote Dr. Faustus, yeah.
I mean, I don't know who wrote the opera.
I've forgotten.
But yes, he was a shady character.
He wrote about five or six plays and then got stabbed to death.
In a pub brawl.
But that was the story.
He was probably trying to wean-wiggle with the gentleman.
He was probably trying to wean-wiggle with the wrong guy.
Exactly.
Trying to sip on a spear and he got stabbed.
Exactly.
Exactly that.
But, so it's about, you know, Dr. Faustus makes his pact with the devil.
And you think, well, some really cool stuff's going to happen to him.
And this parade of just nonsense, he goes round the world a lot, and I think, at one point, Helen of Troy appears.
Now you think, at the very least, at the very least, you've made this pact, you've sold your soul, it's quite a big deal.
You're going to get to shag Helen of Troy.
But at no point does Dr. Faust shag Helen of Troy.
He just sort of looks at her and marvels at her.
I think he does something like he goes to the Vatican and tweaks the Pope's bottom or something.
So it is written by a deeply gay man.
I just want to be like Helen of Troy's fag hag.
But, so, you think at the time, it's a flaw.
Yeah, it's absolutely it.
I think you made a good psychological observation there.
Who should he have conjured up?
I suppose they couldn't do that.
They couldn't.
Who are they?
Apollo, no.
Who would have been the kind of classic gay boy pickup?
Dionysus, maybe?
He seemed pretty fruity.
He'd have been fruity.
He would have been, yeah, he should have chosen that.
But anyway.
Pan.
Pan had a gay little flute.
There were lots of kind of classics, but to be fair, they were gods.
I'm not sure mortals get to shag gods unless the gods are doing it to them.
Depends how many times they do Rogan.
If you've done Rogan a few times, you get to go with Pan.
Have you been on Rogan, by the way?
I've done Rogan three times, yeah, but then we had a huge falling out because he was trying to gatekeep me.
Ah!
We'll come back to my point about Fastness in a minute.
Yeah, I know about Fastness.
Because I used to want to be in my normie phase when I was just like a podcaster trying to make it and I still believed in space and stuff and dinosaurs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Obviously, I coveted the idea of being on Joe Rogan because it's an instant career boost.
I'm not sure I could handle the three-hour Three-hour conversation, but I would have taken it.
And now I think anyone who appears on Joe Rogan is by definition suspect.
That's probably true now, isn't it?
Yeah, because it's like I was textbook someone that he would like.
We did almost four hours.
I'm the only guest to ever have him have to go to the bathroom.
He had to pee, not me.
And we had these epic convos, and then it got to the point where I was holding the line with a lot of speech things.
I won't say the words because I know that I don't know where this is being played.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I won't not say certain words.
And it's not because of hate.
It's because there's no logical argument where that a word can have intention.
It's the same argument that a gun causes murder when a minivan can cause a murder, you know?
And so I started going down that road and I started making fun of another certain protected group.
You know, their noses can be large.
And he started getting really, really jumpy and touchy.
And the last pod I did was super awkward.
And his fans turned on him.
They were like, why were you not letting Owen talk?
He kept cutting me off all the time.
And then my podcast got taken down by Spotify.
Sneaks like that.
They're so paranoid because it's like...
I used to really like Rogan.
I was honored to do his show.
Now that I see what he actually is, it's a heterosexual version.
If Faustus was written by a non-fruitbooter, that is Joe Rogan.
You get to be the big man, but you're like just this little guy that's always scared, you know?
Well, you see, what we're saying now...
Yeah.
And it applies to...
They have to show you, or else it doesn't work.
They have to show you, because of something I've learned from some whistleblower, the Dutch guy who was the bag man to the Illuminati elites.
Their notion of karma means they have to tell you what they're doing.
Otherwise, it's the vampire across the threshold.
The vampire can't give it permission.
It's the same with the devil, isn't it?
You have to...
Yeah, because we do actually have dominion and free will.
It actually reinforces a lot of the theology that I've been drawn to, because it's like, why not just...
Why do they need us to know what we're doing?
Because it's about humiliating.
If you just make it look like grass and you fall in a pit, it doesn't work.
It doesn't work in that giant spiritual battle that we're in.
It has to be like, he knew what he was doing and he chose to do it and he walked away from God.
Because of his animal instincts.
That is an animal.
You know, that's the whole thing.
And that's why the revelation of the method is...
That's why I think that I skated through some of my youth because I truly didn't know.
I was like, this is great.
You know, I wasn't presented with some of the knowledge I have now.
I was like living a Sheryl Crow song, you know But you probably had I should would would just finish off the off the the No, no, hit it.
Even though it seems...
Marle's got it wrong.
If you had these powers, it's like, you know, if you had the genie come and give you the wishes, you'd never wish for that crap thing.
So Marle's got it wrong.
you would have shagged Helen of Troy and you would have done this.
But actually, knowing what I know now about the world, I think...
The things you get in return for selling your soul, in the same way the experience of all your comedian friends who've got fast cars, probably loads and loads of sex, but it's probably quite horrid sex, quite disappointing sex.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I look at Rogan, $200 million, all this stuff.
And I was like, if I had that, I would, every six hours of travel, I would set up a...
And then someone was like, yeah, that's why you're not giving that money.
Because I would make it super productive.
I wouldn't get watches and freaking...
I would actually compete.
I would get all this land and really nourish the people.
And that's why you're not giving it.
They only give those huge checks to people that are just going to squander it.
I'm like, nonsense.
In the same way, sorry, I'm flitting all over the place here, but I was watching, because I have to watch some Netflix because I do TV reviews.
Yeah, totally.
I was watching this Netflix series about great chefs or something or other, and one of them was Jamie Oliver.
I don't know whether you know Jamie Oliver.
Does he translate in America?
Yeah, I think I know who that guy is, yeah.
Anyway.
I'm thinking of the other guy.
There's another Oliver.
Is he the guy that does like a late night talk show?
Something Oliver?
Yeah.
Horrible.
Horrible.
Yeah.
We exported him to you.
Is that him?
Is that Jamie Oliver?
No, that's somebody else Oliver.
Oh.
So I don't know who Jamie Oliver is.
Anyway, I don't know why I was talking about Jamie Oliver because actually I didn't watch the program about him.
I watched one about somebody called Alice Have you ever been to her restaurant?
There's a restaurant called Chez Panisse in Berkeley, California.
Like penis?
Yeah, like penis.
Nice.
I wonder if she was punning on that.
I don't think so.
Panisse, it was called.
Panisse.
I don't know what a panisse is, but you're right.
It does sound like penis, especially pronounced in the wrong way.
Did I have a whole joke about Panisse at Starbucks where I say my name's Panisse to get him to write that on the cop?
That's funny.
Anyway, go on.
No, it's funny.
No, I prefer that to my story.
Go on.
Tell me more about this, or is that it?
Oh, no, no, no.
It's just when you say Chez Panisse, to me, that's, like, hilarious.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
And I completely missed it throughout the show.
Anyway, this woman, Alice Waters, she was a typical sort of Berkeley hippie.
She founded the restaurant in the 70s, and probably Jane Fonda went there and had group sex with mums and the puppers or whatever.
Yeah.
She's credited with the farm-to-fork movement, which supposedly has revolutionized America.
And I'm thinking, actually, it really hasn't.
I mean, like a few Silicon Valley billionaires, her restaurant costs $175 a head for dinner.
And basically, they don't do much to the food.
It's just that it's so well-sourced.
The apples are so sort of polished and red and organic and stuff that they don't feel the need to do any chef work to them, almost.
But there was a section at the end where she'd been embraced by, her cause had been embraced by Michelle Obama.
Big Mike.
Yeah, Big Mike.
And there were schools in Berkeley.
using her You know They had a sort of satellite operation where the children would grow vegetables and stuff And I was thinking You horrible evil devil worshipping elites your You're not really You're pumping children full of addictives.
You're killing them all.
You're spraying us with chemtrails.
You're poisoning the water supply.
You're giving us kill shots.
And you're pretending that there is this movement that has come out of Berkeley, California, championed by Michelle and Mike Obama, that has changed America.
I mean, apart from where you're sitting, most Americans still eat really bad shit, right?
Yeah, there's whole food deserts where there's parts of the country where you go to it and there's no way to get any food that doesn't make you gay and cancerous.
That's horrible.
I mean, that's one thing about America that Europe has better food when it comes to chemicals.
Say what you will about the EU and shit like that.
They at least ban a bunch of stuff that's horrifying that Americans consume.
In massive quantities, yeah.
Yeah, well, I suppose it's because they couldn't get to Renaissance Italy early enough.
I mean, America being a young country, big industrial evil, was able to get hold of things, something like Kellogg's and stuff.
When did they introduce breakfast cereals?
About the turn of the century?
Late 19th century?
Yeah, that was all part of the eugenics program.
I mean, that was...
And then Edward Bernays brought in breakfast.
He was the one who did the social engineering that you're even supposed to eat breakfast.
And then when you do have tons of sugar, you know, it's crazy.
Are we not supposed to eat breakfast?
No, not in my opinion.
I did have breakfast this morning.
Unfortunately, but yeah, I don't think it's healthy to eat breakfast.
I think that the longer you can go without eating your first meal, you get more energy.
No, I mean, I'm sure you're right that intermittent fasting, as we fancily call it, is good.
And you presumably eat lots of meat, basically.
Sausage and stuff.
Do you?
Are you a sausage muncher?
That's what I'm asking you.
Am I a sausage?
Am I an Ian Carroll?
No, I eat...
That's the thing about the farm-to-fork stuff, is my food's way better than any of their...
It's like, my food is so much better than all of their food.
Like, I have the best food in the world because I grow all of it.
And it's like, you know, my wife makes the cheese, and I milk the A2A2 Jersey cow, and this is all non-sprayed.
I don't spray anything.
I hand weed these pastures.
We just got our asparagus.
It takes three years to grow asparagus.
That's pretty exciting.
You worried me there because my asparagus plants are looking slightly tired.
How long have you had them?
About 10 years.
Oh, nice.
That's awesome.
Give me the bad news.
Go on.
I don't know.
I just got into the asparagus world.
Because the first two years, they don't really give you anything, and now we're getting all this asparagus, and I'm pretty pumped.
It's just kind of like a slow, slow release.
Asparagus is good, but it comes at you in a massive glut and then goes very quickly.
Are you finding that?
Well, right now, it's coming in hot.
I didn't know that it was so fickle.
Now I'm going to look at it with a lot more suspicion.
Yeah, it's quite fussy.
It doesn't like competition.
Well, a lot of plants don't.
And unfortunately, our asparagus bed is in reclaimed, just rubbishy grass, clay soil.
It was never a good spot for an asparagus bed.
Dude, I'm a soil snob.
I mean, I've been making soil with really special worms.
And I'm always feeding the worms everything I can find that's really nutritious.
And then I use that soil to grow plants.
I've become a bit of a psycho.
Why shouldn't you?
I mean, soil's really important.
It's everything.
Yeah.
What is the soil like where you are?
Soil's decent, but after this chat, I'm going back up to the 10 acres to build the cabin I was telling you about.
I take forest mulch.
I'll stack up all this wood.
I'll do these huge burn piles and not burn them.
And then in the bottom, it's all this really good forest soil.
And I'll get that and some potash and then I'll get some like eggshells and some coffee grounds.
I just make this stuff and then I get red wigglers, get the castings, put in some biochar.
I'm always mixing.
I'm always just trying to make these awesome ecosystems and then I grow out of that.
Do you pee on your compost heap?
Do I pee on it?
Yeah.
I mean, I theoretically would.
I haven't yet, but I would.
Yeah, you should.
Compost heaps love being pissed on.
And for a man, there's nothing more pleasurable than pissing on your own compost heap.
Yeah, it's like the House of Lords.
British humor.
It's good.
It's true.
It's a genuine thing.
The only thing I worry about, at about this time of year or a bit later on, you start getting grass snakes.
in the compost heap and I don't want to upset them with my urine.
I was thinking maybe in America, do you have like diamondback rattlesnakes and things They all die in the winter.
Do you have...
But you must have cougars?
Yes, we have very large predatory animals.
We have grizzly bears, wolves, cougars, mountain lions.
Yeah, like all that stuff.
But we don't have poisonous steaks.
There are black widows, but I haven't seen any up here.
There's not really any mosquitoes where I live.
I think it would be quite cool being bitten by a black widow.
I mean, just...
Well, poisonous enough for it to be a good anecdote.
You know, I was bitten by a black widow, but not...
Do you reckon?
Yeah, and I immediately would think racial.
I think that like a black widow, you know, like Biggie's wife bit you.
I wouldn't dig Spider immediately.
I wouldn't think of such...
I see.
Yes, I don't really understand about it.
He was the one that was assassinated, wasn't he?
Yeah, he's the big, fat, black rapper.
If his widow bit you, it would probably be even more poisonous than the spider.
I'm not familiar with this.
Is he married to Beyoncé?
Because she's quite evil.
Yeah, she's twisted, huh?
I don't think she really got pregnant.
I don't think these...
Yeah, I don't think she...
I think that was all fake.
that's that's the thing they they have these kind of incubators for celebrity there's Was it you who was telling me about this?
About the Cedars-Sinai Hospital where they all pick up their babies?
No, but that sounds pretty legit.
I mean, I don't think that they really get pregnant.
No, well, not least because a lot of them are in relationships with fellow men.
Yeah, yeah.
That's another one.
Have you done that one?
The elite gender inversion?
Yeah, I mean, you can see it in their face.
I mean, look at Dr. Dre's wife and all these people.
Yeah, they look like dudes in drag, allegedly.
Mr. E, who I've had on the podcast before, Mr. E reckons that there has not been a presidential wife, or what are they called?
First lady?
First lady, that's it.
There has not been a first lady.
Who's actually a lady in many a long year.
I can't remember how long.
I think you might even have said ever.
I mean, Martha Washington looks pretty husky.
And they didn't have any kids.
And have you seen Barbara Bush?
Yes, that literally looks like Aleister Crowley in a wig.
Yeah.
This is why...
Sorry, you said something earlier on about...
Like Susan B. Anthony had a giant...
They often have clues in their name, like Tina Turner.
What are the other ones?
How's that?
I missed that one.
Like Turner from a man into a woman.
Oh, right, right, Turner.
Yeah, I gotcha.
Yeah, yeah.
Ellen Degenerate.
Apparently, it doesn't just extend to the world of showbiz, even the world of science.
All the people involved in quantum theory.
I did a podcast with a science guy once.
A guy who got a PhD in physics, and he looked into the history of Heisenberg and all those people who'd invented...
And apparently their names were...
And they all sort of meant strange things.
Yeah, I used to do a podcast at Caltech where I would literally interview heads of NASA, guys with Nobel Prizes.
My friend is a nuclear physicist.
And so I actually know the world of science really well.
And it got to a point where I'm like, these guys are like, some of these guys, they just felt like actors to me, where it was just like, this isn't...
This one guy who invented the Mars rover just seemed like a douchey actor to me.
And I'm like, this isn't.
And that was back when I was super into science.
you know, I interviewed the guy that wrote The Martian and I'm like, in this world, and I'm like, this is, You met the guy who wrote the phrase, we're going to science the shit out of it, or was that a different movie?
What's the one where Matt Damon goes to the ghost?
I was Matt Damon, where he was growing potatoes with his shit.
I went to his house in San Francisco to interview him.
I interviewed the guy that did all the physics behind Interstellar, and just over time, I just started to be like, what the fuck?
He was going to get a Nobel Prize for gravitational waves?
Because deep down it was to prove gravity.
And I'm like, I thought gravity is proven.
Isn't that the most obvious thing?
And I started realizing that they deep down know they haven't proved shit.
All this theoretical physics is nonsense.
So gravitational waves from a black hole is how they can show gravity exists.
And they didn't do it.
It's just nonsense.
It's all horseshit.
They have to find new ways of reinforcing the message for newer generations.
So you're right that we've sort of been taught that Newton, an apple fell on his head and gravity and whatever.
But a bit like with the Beatles, they keep having to make them relevant.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So there'll be a Richard Curtis movie about a guy who knows the Beatles song.
I didn't see it, obviously, because it's by Richard Curtis, but there's a Richard Curtis film about a guy who knows all the Beatles songs even though the Beatles haven't existed or something.
So, you know, he sings Yesterday and everyone goes, that's a really nice tune.
And just so your listeners know that I'm not, like, retarded.
It's not that I don't think gravity exists in the sense of, like, the effect on mass.
It's their claim of what causes it, that mass bends spacetime so that, like a bowling ball on a trampoline, so that the existence itself bends spacetime into the center.
And so that's their claim of what gravity is.
But you can't measure that unless you're outside of space-time.
So they try and make these predictions around black holes and all this stuff to show that that's what causes it, and they've never shown it ever.
So yeah, there is this effect.
Because people would say, oh, then jump off your balcony if you don't think gravity exists.
No, it's the cause of gravity that they make a claim of, and they can't prove it.
To the point where it's, at this point, it's pretty much nonsense.
Now we come to another one, I mean, with dinosaurs in space.
I mean, I think we live underneath a giant dome, and it's basically, well, I hate to say it, flat.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's why I just call it realm, because I think the same thing.
I mean, I don't know what's up there.
I always say that, but it's like, I think Tolkien was kind of dropping some breadcrumbs with that one.
Where we're just like in the middle.
We're in middle plane Earth.
We're in material Earth.
And then you have the etheric.
And then you have like the super dense.
You know, they claim that they know the center of the Earth is filled with molten nickel.
And it's exactly this deep.
They went down like seven miles is the deepest they've ever gone.
And it was nothing like they predicted.
And they said that it sounded like they could hear screaming.
They didn't.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, they say it's a hoax, but they also, like, won't let anyone listen now.
There's, like, this seven-mile hole in Russia, and it got so weird that they couldn't drill anymore, and none of their predictions were true, and they said it sounded like torment, like that there was, like, weird noises coming out of it.
Whoa.
I know.
That is the coolest thing I've heard today, actually.
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty intense.
What, so, presuming as I do that God made all this, what do you think he made at the bottom?
When does it, did he decide like, yeah, 20 miles should do it, you know, or 50 miles, that would be enough, you know?
I don't know.
I mean, I think it's outside of our dimension, you know?
I think that there's like another, it's like a drawing on a paper trying to imagine us is like how I imagine.
The totality of the realm.
I almost am like, I can't even fathom it.
What is that?
I just know that it gets more dense.
Because, I mean, God being God, could, if he wanted to, have made loads and loads of universes and planets and stuff.
But I don't think he has.
I think he's just made us and the Dome.
Yeah, that's why they do the PSYOP is because you can't feel special.
The whole thing is that you're on an insignificant speck of dust in a vacuum and you're descended from monkeys.
That's what you do if you're trying to break someone to enslave them.
And so, yeah, I think we're special here.
I think that we have a real special role.
Exactly that.
Knowing or pretty much sensing that this is so, it makes me feel really grateful.
Yes, me too.
You know, you could have had tentacle people and, you know, I don't know, surfy, planet surf.
All they do is surf and it's really cool.
They're really good at surfing.
You know, like whatever.
But he didn't.
He just made us.
Yeah.
Yeah, and we're giving everything we could possibly want.
I mean, I have to reread it.
I don't want to endorse a play that's real fruity about Helena Troy.
But that idea is so true.
It's like we're given everything we could want.
We just have to form it with...
The better you can farm.
The better you can be a carpenter.
It's just perfect.
That's why, yeah, the more grateful you are, the more you see this stuff.
And that's why I think the ultimate psyop is despair.
I'm just admiring your cow.
I've got cow envy now.
What is that?
Oh, that's a jersey.
She has great milk.
And you see my alpaca taking a nap?
I'm glad it's not dead, because that would have been my immediate worry.
No, she's chilling.
Or no, that's the calf.
Oh, that's Dandy and her calf.
They're taking a nap.
That's the new calf.
What's the brown thing in the middle?
That is a jersey.
They're both jerseys, but the calf is half Angus.
There's something lying on the ground, which is dark brown.
Yeah, that's still a jersey.
That's Dandy.
And then her calf is half jersey, half Angus.
And then you have Duran and Duran, the two alpacas.
And what do you do with alpacas?
The wool and the manure.
Do you clip them?
No, I have a lady do it.
I should clip them, but it's really intense.
Would you wear your own alpaca fur?
Yeah, my wife made me a hat.
And this is how crazy I am.
So my wife made me an alpaca hat and I gave it to my mailman.
I was like, so...
Because like during...
And the mailman was such a legend for bringing in letters from my listeners and stuff.
And so he always really liked my hat.
And I was like, you can have it, man.
And then my wife is like, I'm not making you another hat.
And so that was the end of that.
Yeah, I'm that guy.
I just give away really valuable stuff.
What's that?
That's a really good thing.
It's like, is it Arabic culture or Muslim culture?
I'm not sure.
But you're discouraged from admiring too much people's possessions when you're a guest in their house because they feel honor-bound by their code to give you the thing.
I feel that way.
That's naturally how I feel.
Where if someone's really into something I have, I'm like, it's yours.
That's a beautiful thing.
And I'm sure that we are.
It's definitely what Jesus would want us to do.
I mean, that is kind of the deal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I do it with my list.
I do it with where it's like if someone makes a really funny thing, I show it to everybody.
Like, that's why that world of false scarcity where everybody's trying to knock down talent.
Like what we're talking about with you and media and me and comedy where it's like.
Where it's like they feel threatened if someone else has talent or they feel like their possessions are what gives them strength.
And I naturally am not like that.
I've never been like that.
I remember in like third, fourth grade, I was hanging out with my friend and someone in his family was like, oh, I really like your Guns N' Roses t-shirt.
I just literally gave him the shirt off my back.
And my mom was just like...
Yeah, and I came home without his shirt on.
It was just like...
And people always thought that was weird, but I've just always been like that.
I'm like, take it, have it.
Yeah, but think about the happy memory it's given you.
I mean, it's given you more happiness than that shirt would be now, unless it's very collectible or something.
Yeah, it's not like if someone wanted my truck or something, or something I use a lot, like my phone or whatever.
But if it's just something I have that I'm not really valuing a lot, And they like it.
I think it's great to just give things away, you know?
I'm not very good at these random acts of generosity, but I know that whenever I've engaged in them, they've given me so much pleasure from the other person's pleasure.
Whereas, when I've been miserly and penny-pinching, as I often am, I felt nothing but...
Yeah, totally.
Go figure.
Yeah, it's almost like the circulatory system.
It really is like the more you give, the more you get, too.
It's like when you're just flowing and you're generous, things just roll into your life.
It's weird.
It's almost like it creates that vacuum that then gets filled with something new.
I've seen that my whole life.
If you're just generous, life is generous to you.
I wanted to go back to something that I got distracted by one of my distractions earlier on.
I forgot what I lost our train of thought.
But actually, this kind of gels with what we're saying here, which is that what you find quite a lot in sort of awake, straight conspiracy, whatever circles, is that there is a constituency which says, you Christians, you need to wise up.
You need to realise that Christianity is just another psyop.
It's about control or it was invented by man to cope with his fear of death.
It's not real.
And then they give you their theory about we're living in the matrix or whatever.
But the thing I really like about Christianity is that if you read the Bible, as I do for fun, I mean, it's really interesting.
Everything makes so much more sense.
It explains all the shit that's going on now.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's not a bit where some bits kind of make sense, sort of, if you look at it in the right way.
It explains everything.
It explains why the bad guys do what they do.
How sin works.
Yeah, 100%.
And I do have sympathy for some of these guys.
That say Christianity is Messiah, but they're reacting to a church they were raised in and that guy was doing that.
Versus the truth and deep knowledge of Christianity that you can just see for yourself.
It just was true, is true, and will always be true.
Versus like, you know, some of these guys, like the Pope or, you know, whatever.
Yeah.
Like they'll use, like, there'll be a lot of, of like, uh, And a lot of people are reacting to that and not the knowledge itself.
Can I just show you something?
Yeah, of course.
I don't know how I'm going to judge you.
You see that?
What is that?
Looks like heech?
Polenta cake.
Raw cream.
There it is.
Rhubarb.
Nice!
Rhubarb, yeah.
That's so British.
It's just...
No, we actually do.
Like my wife just brought in rhubarb, but it's like...
we only knew about rhubarb from like Peter Rabbit and stuff.
Like my kids were like, There are some things that I do feel sorry for you Americans.
That you don't really get.
It sounds like rhubarb is one of them.
I mean, rhubarb fool, for example.
You know what rhubarb fool is?
No.
It's basically rhubarb and whipped cream.
Yeah, it's delicious.
It's delicious.
Nice.
I always look forward to the rhubarb season.
Another thing you don't have nearly enough of in America, you don't eat lamb.
I eat lamb.
I think lamb's great.
It's the best, isn't it?
Yeah, they're like made to give you meat.
I mean, the way they are is just perfect.
They just eat.
When it's time to get slaughtered, they're pretty accepting of it.
Their buddies don't care.
It's just like when you butcher a lamb, it's just perfectly easy to do.
It's just all the meat just cuts so well.
Oh, I see.
Yes, when you butcher them.
The meat.
How do they take to being killed?
Very chill.
You can drop a sheep and his buddy just keeps eating.
Their mom will keep eating.
They're not really too attached to being alive.
Which is good.
I've noticed this.
I live in fields.
I live in a house surrounded by sheep.
So I...
And the capacity of sheep to commit suicide is something else.
If there's a way to kill themselves, they'll take it.
They will.
And they'll do it in fear, too.
Calling people sheeple is really appropriate.
There's people that do act like sheep, and it's pretty incredible.
No.
There's a farmer I met.
He's called James Rebanks, and he's a sheep farmer up north.
And he's written books about it.
And I met him.
Bizarrely, I met him.
I became friendly with...
James Lovelock.
the guy who invented Gaia theory, that the world is all a sort of self-sustaining eco- Anyway, so I met James Rebanc, and he told me about weird sheep.
And every flock of sheep has a weird sheep in it.
And the job of the weird sheep is to not act like all the other sheep.
And so...
That's fascinating.
But, when there is a, imagine there's a blizzard, and the sheep are in trouble suddenly, and it'll be the weird, and the main herd of the sheep will just be stupid, and they'll all die.
But the weird sheep will, because he's original, Or was she, probably.
We'll show them the way out of the situation.
Yeah, I relate to that weird sheep.
Yeah, the goats have one of those too.
There was one goat that would just never come in to get milked.
Like, I always had to go out and get her.
I called her my truther sheep.
She just wasn't falling for the tricks.
Or my truther goat.
And now they're all out of milk and she's like the most friendly.
Like, she's so nice.
But she's weird.
She's a weird goat.
Do you get disturbed looking into your goat's eyes?
I mean, they are rectangles that look like NFL stadiums, but no, I'm pretty chill with their eyes.
You don't think, like, that's the devil's eyes?
No.
No, I'm kind of into goats.
I'm, like, feeling the goats a little bit.
No, I am too, but I worry about this tendency.
That we both seem to have.
Which is that I like goats.
I'm drawn to a goat.
And when I see a goat, I think, oh, you're a nice animal.
I'd like you.
I'd like to eat your milk and stuff.
I like goat's milk cheese.
A lot.
I mean, goats and sheep, I think, is better than cow cheese, somehow.
Anyway.
But then I look at their eyes and I think there's a reason.
Why is it?
It can't be just random that the devil has a goat's head and the horns and the eyes like that.
And you see occasionally you see demonically possessed people and they've got goat's eyes.
So why did God make the goat look like that?
do you think he was telling us something?
I mean, if I had big goats, maybe it would seem more demonic.
I have Nigerian dwarves, so it's almost like impossible for me to, to, Goofy little guys.
But I'll think about that.
I mean, I'll look into their eyes and see if I can see Chaitan.
Well, okay, so the reason I mention this, when I was in Florence, I went to these gardens in which there are these grottos, which were built by the Medici family.
And Medici, like, bad.
I mean, okay, patrons of churches and stuff, but that wasn't really where their natural sympathies lay.
They're Medici's.
So you go to their grotto and you see where their real inclinations lay.
And this was one of the first grottos ever built.
And in the middle of the grotto, built for this woman Medici, was this goat's head.
And it's looking at you like something out of a Dennis Wheatley novel or a sort of Aleister Crowley ritual or whatever.
And you know instantly that this goat represents the devil.
They go, what do you mean, it's just a goat?
How can you say us Medici is a devil worshippers?
We just happen to like goats.
Yeah, right.
Because there are owls as well.
You know about owls, don't you?
What's the deal with owls?
Well, with the Bohemian Grove there?
Bohemian Grove?
Yeah, exactly.
Anyone who's got owls in their heraldry, in their family paintings, in their, you know, whatever, they're evil.
Yeah, they're very sus.
Which is a shame, because like with goats, I like an owl a lot.
You must get loads there, where you are.
Yeah, I like that they get all the ground grabbers, you know?
Like all the little tunneling little sneaks that are trying to kill my fruit trees.
I like that the owls can take them out.
But yeah, there's something a little off-putting about owls.
I get it.
What, because they can turn their head like...
Like in the exorcist.
Yeah.
And they're just, their shapes, It's like an octopus.
They're like shaped so different that...
They're almost like not worldly.
They are.
They're like a conical wedge shape, aren't they?
Yeah, they don't look like a bird.
It's strange.
And they presage death as well.
I mean, if it's a...
What's the...
I think it's the barn owl.
I think the barn owl is said to presage death when you hear the barn owl calling.
Yeah, yeah.
Because they do say who.
Is that what they say?
It could be me.
You're like, who?
I'm like, better not be me.
They say they just say to it to woo in in that's maybe I Was once in a in a And I was once, I once went, I think I was in Rajasthan, in the desert, in India.
And our guide, or maybe it was in Egypt or somewhere, and our guide didn't speak English very well.
And I was trying to describe an animal.
And I realised, you know, with a cow, how do Americans, what noise do cows make in America?
Moo, exactly, moo.
So you say moo, and in English that would make everyone know it's a cow.
But I realised that if I made the English representation of this animal, it wasn't going to indicate the animal.
It could be anything.
So I had to really think hard about the actual noise the animal made, and then replicate that.
What do the Indians say?
What's the noise they make?
I don't know.
I just had to do two things.
First of all, I had to...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, if I were doing a cow, I'd go...
Would that be...
That's pretty good.
No.
Is that a jersey?
Yeah, that's how mine sound.
And she was keeping me up the other night.
She was freaking out.
It was like 1.30 in the morning.
Because she was trying to get to her calf.
Yeah, I feel like that was it.
She's looking at me.
She heard me.
How would you differentiate between a goat and a sheep?
Do a goat and a sheep.
That's more sheep.
How does a goat sound?
I can't do a goat.
I find with sheep that they make such a range of noises that they all seem to have different...
Yeah, it's true.
It's true.
It's a little choir.
Little choir idiots.
Hey, George.
Hey, George.
Who are you talking to?
Which animal?
Oh, I was just talking to George.
I actually got to bounce pretty soon.
I got to meet my gravel guy.
No, I was thinking when we get to the stage where we're doing animal noises, that's probably a time.
No, my animals are like, that's why I keep looking down.
It's because they're like looking at me now like, bro, you ready to talk to me?
But also, hello, I've got, you know, I haven't eaten that yet.
I love it.
That looks great.
Tell us about, you're doing, you're bringing your show back with Vox.
Yeah, unauthorized.tv.
We lost our payment processor and we just got that figured out.
And me and Vox are going to be doing Mondays together.
Yeah, we just did one yesterday.
That was so fun.
That dude is so funny.
Yeah, he's so dry funny.
And he's a very clever chap.
I'm not saying that you're totally stupid, but he's Rox's...
He's clever.
He's very smart.
He knows stuff.
He does.
He was there ahead of us, wasn't he?
He knew all this stuff way before we did.
He did.
He knew in the 90s.
Yeah.
He saw it coming.
Yeah, exactly.
So, well done, Vox.
Thank you.
And now he's a Swiss chocolatier.
Yeah, he's got his fingers in many pies, hasn't he?
He's clever.
He does.
I mean, that's a big...
That's a big credit.
Switzerland's alright, but you are surrounded by closet Illuminati in their mountain hideaways and their tunnels.
They're all up there?
Oh, yeah.
Come on.
Switzerland.
Switzerland and Italy and places like that.
Sweden.
Yeah, a lot of vampires in Sweden.
Let the right one in.
Is that Swedish?
It's true.
Yeah.
That's a good movie.
It's literally how it is.
Yeah.
It's one of my favorite vampire movies.
There's a lot of vampire movies.
We can do vampire movies next time.
Is there anything else you'd like to promote or plug?
Yeah, just owenbenjamin.com.
I got a lot of stuff.
We got a festival coming up in Labor Day.
That's bertariacampgrounds.com.
That's going to be a good time.
And yeah, owenbenjamin.com for my last special and my last classical music album.
And I've been teaching piano to people at courses.owenbenjamin.com.
A lot of people wanted me to teach piano, so I've been really committed to that.
And yeah, it's always a pleasure talking to you.
Before I forget, will you give a shout-out, as the Americans say, to Tanya Edwards, who is a comedian, and she's very funny, and she loves you.
Nice, Tanya Edwards.
I love it.
Yeah, Tanya Edwards has a great taste.
That will make her happy, I think.
I want to check out her comedy.
I love that.
Because that's the thing about women.
A lot of women I know are really funny.
I just, when they're on stage, it just, a lot of times it feels weird because...
Yeah, I know.
I don't know how they do it.
Well, check out Tanya, though.
I mean, she gets it.
She has a really good taste in humor.
She does.
Well, I mean, absolute delight.
And everyone else, like, if you've enjoyed this show, which, duh, you have.
You have.
Don't forget to support me.
Admit it, you have.
This has been awesome.
Admit it, you have.
How could you not?
If you don't, you're gay.
You are Dr. Faustus.
If you don't want to be gay or die of cancer or both, then support me.
Do it.
Do it.
It's your call.
I mean, if you don't support them, if you don't support them, you might as well just be a cancerous gay.
And that's your choice.
Okay.
Simple as that.
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