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There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem that is going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011 actually.
The first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era, the era when the people behind the climate change scan got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen Climategate.
So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us, we've got to act now.
I rumbled their scam.
I then asked the question, okay, if it is a scam, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands up.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop.
You'll probably find that one.
Just go to my website and look for it, jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring round all those people who are still persuaded that Oh, it's a disaster.
We must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother God.
There we go.
It's a scam.
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Welcome to the Delling Pod, Charlotte Gill.
Um, Charlotte, before we go on, remind me how I know you.
We followed each other on Twitter.
I always liked your film reviews very much, James.
Thank you.
Because Twitter's one of these things where you feel like you know people, but then sometimes you've never met in real life.
I couldn't remember.
Have I actually met you?
I think we're at the Brexit dinner together.
The Brexit dinner.
You see, that's what I thought the connection was.
I seem to remember that you were one of the people I knew in the days when I was a normie.
And the Brexit dinner would have been a classic case of that, where in those days...
I used to believe that the struggle was being fought against the left and the Remainers, the Ramoners, and that this was my mission.
And, of course, then I had a sort of an awakening where I realized that all these oppositions, Brexit, Remain, Left, Right, Tory, Labour, are just artificial.
And I've been looking at some of your tweets of late.
I've been noticing you, Charlotte.
And I've been getting this vibe that you have started to go on the journey that I went on three or four years ago.
And it's I found it quite exciting, not in a sexual way, obviously, in a kind of intellectually stimulating way, because I think that a lot of people who watch my podcasts feel this tremendous sense of frustration and isolation,
that we've We've woken up to how the world is, and we're very frustrated that so few people seem to be waking up with us.
You look at the stuff that appears, not just in the mainstream media, but also in the alternative media.
We look at this stuff and we think, well, these people don't get it.
Am I correct in my assessment that you have been starting to...
Tell me about your journey.
What happened?
Yeah, so, I mean, I did...
Yeah, I mean, I messaged you the other day.
I said, I did think of...
I did think of you, James, because I remember you...
If you don't mind me saying it, like, you got quite frustrated, I remember, with people.
And, you know, I know that you were on your own in that position.
And I was thinking...
Because I never thought, James, is wrong.
I just didn't really know what you were talking about, basically.
You know, it was in the back of my mind, like...
And it's something that recently, when I've been investigating the Greens, the Green Party people have said, oh, James Dellingpole first talked about watermelons, you know, red on the inside.
And so you're famous for that coinage.
So that's something I've been thinking about a lot.
But yeah, I guess my great awakening, it sounds really strange because it started with Carol Vorderman.
It's a good place to start.
Tell us about Carol Vorderman.
I mean, obviously, people overseas, people who are not in the UK, won't have a clue who Carol Vorderman is.
But in Britain, she's become this, like, one of those sort of...
Sort of national, almost a secular saint, hasn't she?
She's this attractive, intelligent woman who was on a game show called Countdown as the resident quickfire mathematician.
And then she sort of transmogrified into this world.
All purpose, ubiquitous personality.
But yeah, what did you discover about Carol Vorderman?
So it all started, I actually had an epiphany.
I mean, it literally, it was on the day of a friend's wedding and I had this epiphany and I thought, crap.
So basically the epiphany was that I saw her post something by the London Economic.
I don't know if you've heard of that website.
No.
But it's something that...
I mean, over the last year, I've become obsessed with who funds you, but doing it the other way around, like looking at left-wing things.
So I knew that the London Economic was funded by...
It's actually funded by an oil and gas investor that hates Brexit.
They think they're like the good people.
And they're part of the same family as Politics Joe...
So, you know, you've got two wings of the same thing, basically.
And Carol Borderman posted this London economic link, and it was actually about Calvin Robinson.
And for some reason that just lit up a constellation in my head that told me that she's not, you know, people think that she's having a later life renaissance.
That's how The Guardian puts it.
They think that she suddenly woke up one day and she became this passionate left-wing woman.
Whereas I just felt like this is coordinated.
This is like a shill network.
And...
It's not even like I've proven it.
It's actually all out there if you look for it.
And then I've sort of gone...
I've sort of worked like finding out the Shill network and then moving...
I guess you start going back to like a sort of ozone layer because you see like a top level propaganda machine and then you start drilling down and that's when you start getting into the kind of more...
Mysterious areas?
I didn't get any of that.
Oh sorry, is it broken up?
Can you hear me?
Your internet reflection is...
Can you hear me now?
Hello?
I didn't hear any of that.
Sorry, does that work?
Is that better?
I can hear you now.
Yeah, that's better.
It's so weird because I live in London, but London's one of the worst for internet connectivity in some patches.
So shall I start again from the Carol Vorderman?
There's a reason for that.
Well, maybe so that I can hear, so that I can respond.
We can edit it out if you're repeating yourself.
So it starts again from the Carol Vorderman bit?
Sorry, I missed that.
Yeah, so basically I had an epiphany about Carol Vorderman and it started when I saw her put out a bit of content from the London Economic, which I knew was a pro-Brexit rag Kind of thinking that they're the good people.
But I'd been looking into it and they also fund Politics Joe, which pumps out a lot of propaganda, kind of left-wing propaganda, I would say.
And because Carol Waldman tweeted that link, I suddenly, I don't know why, but my brain just started, it put together just this constellation.
It just, I just couldn't see her anymore as an independent activist.
I was like, she's part of a network.
And that led me more and more into researching other areas.
So it's a bit strange, really, but she's part of a coordinated move.
It is...
I think we've all been through this process where you suddenly realise, for one reason or another, I mean, one of my friends, his wake-up was the identity of Shakespeare.
Different people go and discover the truth in different ways.
But essentially, the realisation you reach is the same, which is that...
Everything we're told about how the world works is a lie and that we are manipulated by actors, by people who've been put there to mislead us, to mess with our heads, basically.
And it's interesting, isn't it, that this...
Have you looked into Carol Vorderman's history?
Yeah, so she...
I did have quite a good look to work out, like, why she's...
So the reason I know that she's shilling is because she is part of something called the movement forward.
And it's basically a collective of lefty irritants.
You know, there's the people on Twitter that you've probably seen and you thought, they're really annoying, like Emma Kennedy and, you know, just kind of annoying left wing, like Peter Stefanovic.
bit and that they call themselves the movement forward and it's a tactical very campaign and there's there's loads of them there's like Marina Perkis Gemma Forte and it's actually got three different it's got three different names on at the electoral Commission and it calls itself stop the Tories so that's kind of that's how I knew that she's got into it but I don't know I don't really know why I'm
I mean, without speculating, you know, I don't, I mean, normally you'd say it's money, but I can't, you know, I can't prove that, so I have to be, but I don't think it's passion, it doesn't seem like passion for left, because all of them pump out the same propaganda.
Yeah.
Yes.
In the days when I used to take Twitter spats more seriously than I do now, I used to read the tweets of some of the names you've mentioned and be absolutely infuriated by them.
You know, how can...
Who is this person that I've never heard of before?
How have they...
Acquired such a profile.
I mean, that Kennedy woman was a classic example of them.
I used to get really riled up.
And now I don't even...
I just shrug my shoulders if their tweets even cross my radar, which they often don't, because I recognise that they're not...
They're not real in the sense that they are manufactured.
And that's why I was curious about whether you looked into Carol Vorderman.
Only that...
I'm curious as to how these people achieve this status and at what point they get co-opted.
So I just looked at her Wikipedia entry.
Her father was Dutch, although he doesn't seem to be on the scene.
And she got a third class degree at Cambridge.
I mean, it's often bigged up that she She's so terribly clever because she can obviously do mental maths quite well.
And the BBC apparently put in an advert saying we want somebody who's good with numbers for this game show we're doing and her mother Allegedly,
whether you can believe these things if it's on Wikipedia, but put her forward as a candidate and Carol got the job and initially she was just there to do the adding up and then later on she became a sort of more integral part of the program and then got turned into this massive celebrity.
And then later, as you've documented on your substack, she was turned into this massive phenomenon by Global, which gave her a show.
Has she got a show, is that right, on the radio?
Yeah, Global.
I mean, a lot of, I call them Shill HQ or the Shill Army.
A lot of them are employed by Global, you know, because Global obviously has different shows.
Who are Global?
So Global are a massive production company.
They're a media company, but they also run a lot of outdoor advertising.
Their owner is an American chap.
I think he's called Ashley Tabor King and Carol Vorderman.
So the shows that they run are LBC. The News Agents, so that's with Emily Maitlis, John Sopel, Lewis Goodall.
And ones that people...
They also run Capital FM, Classical FM, but also ones that people haven't really...
There's one called The Troll, for instance, where...
Which I cannot, I just cannot see how it has a big audience.
But it hires Marina Perkis, who's a well known sort of anti Tory troll character.
And they put they put episodes that I think are a sort of distribution of propaganda because, for instance, there's There's a cohort of people...
I mean, the environmentalists really want water put into public ownership.
And The Troll, which is this show by two very glamorous women, they have episodes on sewage.
And I just struggle to believe that most women are like, oh, I would love to make a show about sewage.
It just sounds like someone else would like them to make a show about sewage.
But there's this whole...
Global...
Its reach extends...
I mean, we can cover this a bit later, but even the outdoor advertising gets very political.
Its advertising win.
But it's got huge reach.
Yeah.
It's interesting, isn't it, how they seem to use attractive women...
To sort of get past people's defences.
I suppose the first example of this would have been when the BBC recruited Joan Bakewell and she was quickly marketed as the thinking man's crumpet.
And so you've got these characters.
She's not just pretty.
She's also really clever.
She went to Cambridge.
And the particularly male members of the public, I suppose, Think, ooh, I fancy her, but she's clever as well.
I'll better take what she says seriously.
And, you know, you've got your two attractive women talking about sewage.
You've got Carol Valdeman and then her replacement, similarly fit bird.
I can't remember what the one does to numbers on Countdown now.
Again, very, very aggressively political, a Zionist.
And you're thinking, this is not really about entertainment.
This is about propaganda and manipulation and sowing ideas in the public's imagination under the guise of entertainment.
They sort of float these things which later become...
Which later they get acted on by politicians.
So they're kind of testing these ideas in entertainment, in people's...
Because the number of people, normies at least, who have the radio on all day, you know, cab drivers in London, for example, just people, they like the background noise.
So you've got LBC, which used to be called London Broadcasting, well, it stands for London Broadcasting Company.
You've got Do they even get this stuff into Classic FM, do you think?
I mean...
I have since...
It's global in them as well.
Well, apparently John Sopel does some of the announcements because what they have is crossover stuff.
You know, the LBC presenters go on the newsagents, the newsagents go on LBC. So they can get...
I don't listen to...
But I have heard from someone that replied to me that John Sopel does some of the announcements.
So it's all...
And I think...
To talk about the outdoor advertising, one of the things about it, so Global owns most of the tube advertising.
If you get on a tube now and just look at an advert, if you look above, it will say Global in blue.
And this kind of has an analogy with, say, Classic FM or Capital because you have a lot of normal adverts like The Lion King and, you know, just normie material.
And then you've also, people got really upset about the assisted dying adverts because, you know, you just have normal, normal, normal, cheeky bit of propaganda and it kind of blends in and it helps to normalise things.
The abnormal, although people did kick off about, understandably, about the assisted dying adverts.
And there's even been communists.
Were those owned by Global, those posters?
Yes.
Because I first noticed them, because they're at Westminster Tube.
And I first noticed them when I was, because obviously anything they want to reach politicians, they put at Westminster Tube.
So I noticed them.
And this is when some more constellations started to alight in my mind, because the coincidences were, I'd noticed...
So first of all, there was the adverts at the Tube, and Global owns the spaces.
So the assisted Dignity and Dying, which paid and made those adverts, might have paid Global, you know, it was paid for the space, but Global still selects the adverts, you know, still has that role.
The other coincidences were, so I bought, I've actually got it with me, I bought Carol Vorderman, now what?
You know, because this is like interesting literature.
And she mentions Esther Ransom and the assisted dying, like assisted dying in her book.
And to me, this is a kind of, this is, you know, propaganda.
And then, so she's employed by Global, or she either was or still is, we don't know.
under LBC and then you've also got Paul Brand you know the very annoying ITV Paul Brand, he kind of got rid of Boris Johnson, basically, with this whole Tupperware inquiry.
So he's just really annoying.
I mean, people are like, this is activist journalism.
But he is actually an activist.
So he works for Global as well.
And he's got this LBC show.
So it's not actually that obvious that he works for Global because he does ITV in the week and then he does some Global, I think it's a weekend show, but it's just like one day a week.
But he just relentlessly tweeted about the assisted dying bill.
And, you know, not in a normal way for a news...
Because a news journalist, they'd normally, you know, cover a breadth of content.
There's a lot of news at the moment.
Whereas his is like, and the latest on the assisted dying bill.
And this person is going to vote for...
And it just...
I tried putting it all in one article and I was like, I haven't got enough time to put all these tweets.
And he...
And then...
And then it actually continues, the coincidence, because he was at Carol Vorderman's book launch, so there's a picture of them together, and literally so many...
I mean, that book launch was just like the shill party of the year.
Everyone there is...
I mean, it's...
I don't know why they all hang out together, because they just make it quite obvious who's in the shill network, but...
So he's there.
And then the next bit that moves on to is this, you know, this Dignity and Dying campaign.
So they're the big funders behind assisted dying.
You know, they've spent hundreds of thousands trying to get this bill through.
And Paul Brand was tweeting...
Successfully.
Yeah, he was tweeting...
So he was tweeting more in common.
You know, more in common?
Yeah.
So this was set up in Joe Cox's name.
But it's kind of really come away from its original ethos.
It's kind of a nudge unit in a way.
It describes itself as...
It's meant to be polling.
Paul Brown was putting out polls showing that most of the public really want this assisted dying bill.
But Guido Forts actually found that the poll was more complex than that, even this More In Common poll.
But they're like, you know, it's like a lot of polls.
It's about nudging.
And I can...
Sorry, this is quite a convoluted story, but the links are so, you know, intertwined.
So they were pushing this.
So Global was pushing this poll a lot by More In Common.
And Kim Leadbeater was even sitting with the Dignity and Dying, like the leaflet on global shows, you know, sort of like product placement.
And Paul Brand had it in his adverts.
But I couldn't work out why Kim Leadbeater was pushing this bill because there's no, you know, obviously everyone knows about the tragic murder of her sister, but she doesn't have a personal connection to her sister dying.
And it turns out she's the chair of More In Common.
And then you've got Kim being inserted into the...
The constituency without having to sort of submit herself to scrutiny by anyone, it seemed.
So she suddenly became the new MP for that area.
And now she's pushing, well, she's successfully pushed this bill, which makes it now...
Is it legal for people to top themselves if they find themselves inconvenient to their families?
Yeah, my main thing is that I just don't see what the personal connection to the assisted dying is.
Is for Kim Ledbetter, other than More In Common, because More In Common are, they call themselves an incubator, you know, as well as a polling company.
And they've got big funders, they've got global reach, they've got big funders.
They've got, you know, they've got the Open Society Foundation funds them amongst other massive funders.
And there's a chap on Twitter, I'd recommend this guy called Dr Callum Miller because he looked properly into the funding links and it all gets very Malthusian, you know, it's like depopulation.
So you're seeing this...
You know, like when I was talking about the ozone at the beginning, it's like the ozone, you've got this Malthusian, these thunders at the centre, and then, you know what I'm saying, it's kind of branching out, then you've got the lobbyists, and then you've got the parliamentary, so you're only seeing the surface level of what's really going on, all the machinations, yeah.
So yeah, can I just put what you're saying briefly in context?
Yeah.
Because this is how you would have come across me, I guess.
Over a decade ago, I wrote this book called Watermelons, which I've just brought out in a revised edition.
And I set out to examine The whole climate change thing, because I was very sceptical about the idea that climate change was a terrible threat and that it was man-made.
So first of all, I looked at the evidence for man-made climate change or global war or whatever.
And what I found was that there is no evidence, no evidence whatsoever for That climate change is man-made, unprecedented, or potentially catastrophic.
I mean, it's only potentially catastrophic if you've got an overactive imagination.
All the evidence for man-made climate change, I discovered, is essentially man-made.
That is, it exists in the form of computer models which make these doomsday predictions, but that's because they've been, the input is such that if you put in this information, yes, the result is you're going to get doomsday charts, which would show that, yes, we've got to act now otherwise.
But there's no real-world evidence for it.
So then in the second part of the book I asked the question, okay, so if global warming is just not true, why do so many people believe that it is?
Why are so many respectable, supposedly, institutions pushing it?
Why are all politicians pushing it?
Why are the universities pushing it?
Why are all the experts saying it's a problem?
What I discovered reading the background to how the global warming scare started is I realized that the people pushing it were what you describe as Malthusians.
They have this belief that there are too many people on the planet.
We need to reduce population drastically.
That ordinary humans cannot be trusted to make the right decisions.
Therefore, Their decisions should be made for them by experts from...
And the best way of doing this is to create a new world order of unelected technocrats who know what is best for the people.
And there's got to be drastic cuts in people's energy use.
We've got to, you know, use less...
Fossil fuels and people need to accept that they have to eat less meat, preferably no meat, and so on.
So the agenda was decided long ago.
We want to reduce the population, stop people eating, stop them eating their homes, stop them using air conditioning, stop them travelling, keep them confined.
And the climate change scare was invented in order to enable them to promote that agenda.
Now what you've done You've discovered the bit that I hadn't got the patience to do, which you've looked at the mechanisms by which these incredibly rich people, these Malthusians, super rich families like the Rockefellers, you've come upon the mechanism they use to disseminate this propaganda and hijack the system.
So that legislation is pushed through, whether it's assisted dying, which is about culling people, or whether it's the war on farmers, which again is designed to stop people having access to private property and food.
It goes on and on.
But you've discovered the network.
That's been your way into this, down the rabbit hole.
You've discovered the shadowy funding groups.
So behind Global, for example, there are probably...
These shadowy figures that you just don't know about.
Global is probably just a front for something else.
Yeah, I don't really know.
I mean, I have...
Of all, like, I've been looking into lots of different things, and I have been trawling companies' house, like, mad for loads of different companies that are all connected.
Like, the amount of climate change, like, the amount of climate activist groups in the UK, for instance, I've spent a lot of time.
But it's just, I guess that's one of the most difficult parts as a solo researcher, because I'm actually, like, getting some other people involved now to help me.
Sort of, automate it.
But, yeah, in terms of global, the main thing that really helped me was discovering about that outdoor advertising wing, because that even led me to Led by Donkeys.
You know, it's modus operandi.
Oh, yes.
Now, who are led by donkeys?
Because...
Yeah, so I, I discovered basically, I mean, they're massive, one of them is a massive hypocrite for one.
I, so I did, all of them, I think all of them have, are ex Greenpeace employees.
But the one that I found really interesting is called, he's called James Sadry.
And he formerly worked for the UN. And when I looked into his background, he had been working on This project called Team Halo.
It was a vaccine uptake programme.
And it was done in conjunction with Wings of the Government, the UN, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
You know, all of the people...
The, you know, the, the usual suspects or whatever.
And he's also, he's a massive hypocrite because his, his, you know, led by donkeys were having a go at Boris Johnson all the time saying, oh, his pandemic approach is this, you know, so bad.
And then you go into team halo.
To his company's co-director, his company's social media, and they're like, you know, please, let's combat vaccine hesitancy.
We've got a YouTube misinformation service, and it's the ultimate hypocrisy.
But it also, even led by donkeys, and...
I'll try and explain.
Tell me if this gets confusing because sometimes I've tried to explain connections on podcasts and I see comments like we don't understand.
You know, this gets really confusing.
Can we just explain?
Before you tell us about the background to them, just explain what Led by Donkeys did.
I mean, I seem to remember them pulling all sorts of stunts.
Didn't they hire vehicles with sort of catchy slogans on them and go around the streets and put up these meme-like campaigns designed to undermine whatever, whoever, I don't know.
Yeah, that's a good summary.
All of their operations are outdoor advertising.
And they're very anti-Tory.
You know, even though we've got a Labour government, they still hounded Liz Truss.
They sort of sabotaged one of her events with A picture of, you know, that stupid lettuce, like, the lettuce lasted more than...
They put that behind the backdrop of her speech, and they used to hound Dominic Cummings.
You know, they put up posters near him.
They've got a poster in Clacton that puts Nigel Farage's salary up, you know, to say, look how much he's paid.
That must be very bad.
And they've even got...
And it talks about Israel and it says it's a genocide in Gaza.
So they're very pro-Palestine, which I'm sure you know, James, it's like sort of, they're just tenets of the same, you know, this idea, whatever they're promoting, it's just like pro-Palestine, pro-trans.
Yeah, sorry.
But my...
No, I recognise that you're sort of...
You're probably where I was four years ago in that you're sort of beginning to sniff around and I don't want to patronise you at all because I think we're all sort of working out how it works.
But...
I agree that these organisations like Led by Donkeys and Hope Not Hate and stuff, they are red rag to a bull to the kind of people that, well, that I certainly used to be when I was pro-Brexit and when I considered myself to be a conservative stroke libertarian.
I look at this stuff and I go, who are these bloody lefties doing this, embracing these appalling causes?
I would say that they have their equivalence on the supposed right, in that their purpose is to create this false opposition between the left and the right.
It's all noise.
It's all designed to work people up into a frenzy.
So, for example, they might champion Palestine, not because they care about babies being bombed, but because they know that the opposition, the sort of Brexity people, are going to be more pro-Israel the sort of Brexity people, are going to be more pro-Israel because they see it as the only stable democracy in the Middle East and fighting We know all these terrorists are going to blow us up.
So I don't buy any of it anymore.
But what interests me is the people that are funding these troublemakers.
Because I think that's where the real menace lies.
I imagine that your research into who funds them...
You ended up with companies, with organisations that you can't really identify who owns them or who funds them.
It's like these big sort of charitable foundations, like the Tides Foundation and stuff.
Well, they say, Led by Donkeys, say that they're 100% people funded.
And I mean, if that's true, people must be feeling incredibly generous because how much is all the, you know, the outdoor advertising?
But I think they, I mean, the connection with global is that, you know, it's very salient that global is an outdoor.
It owns 230,000 outdoor advertising sites.
So I have no proof, but it just seems a coincidence.
And Led by Donkeys is on one of Global's outdoor, on one of its tubes, the TFL advertising spaces.
There is proof that Global advertises them, and I just wonder whether they're benefiting from some of the other advertising space.
But in terms of Companies House, I mean, the interesting thing I found that has sort of...
I've been told that I'm barking up the wrong tree here, but I don't think I am.
But I would say that.
But is...
When I first was looking...
Who told you this?
People on Twitter, apologies for the sound of my London flap, by the way.
The thing that really first got me like, hmm, is their registered address is in Covent Garden.
And when I first ever looked at this, I was like, how on earth do they afford to be in Covent Garden, this crowdfunded group of irritants, you know, a campaign group?
But then when I researched it, I found out, you know, it's one of these company formation companies.
And so this is what people tell me I'm barking up the wrong tree because they say, Charlotte, you know, everyone's, you know, everyone uses company formation.
It's really not a big deal.
So maybe they're right.
Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree.
But it's just interesting who else is based at that address.
So it's the Socialist Workers' Party.
It's like animal and vegan sort of groups.
There's EU groups based there.
Angela Rayner has a dissolved company there.
Is it Richard Bergen, the MP? I think Zahra Sultana has one there.
I mean, there is so many different companies there.
But even the man that owns the company's formation company, even he kind of interests me because he's obsessed with animals, right?
Because I actually went on to...
I was trying to research him and I went on to his Instagram to find out, you know, who is this man that owns...
He owns a series of these companies, you know, all registered.
It's called Shelton Street.
I think it's 75 to 77 Shelton Street.
So who is this man?
Let's get into the psychology of him.
And at first I didn't really notice, but when I was going on his Instagram, he followed lots of donkey accounts, right?
And I was like, is this some sort of weird clue about led by donkeys?
But then I realised that he loves animals.
He follows alpacas, dogs.
He loves his dogs.
He loves cycling.
You know, that kind of links to the whole, the crazy cyclists and the environmental movement.
That's very dodgy.
I mean, never mind donkeys, but cycling, that's a real tell.
He follows Sean Berry.
And he followed, like, Animal Rebellion.
And the other thing...
I think my sleuth work is really good, by the way, I've got to say.
But the other thing I found is this...
So, to pan back a bit to...
You remember the movement forward of Carol Vorderman?
And she's part of this, like, shill HQ, annoying, irritant network...
So, and this has four different names, technically.
So, three on the Electoral Commission, but four when it comes to, it's also called stopthetories.com.
And I was looking into the backgrounds of the two men that set up these companies, one of whom links to all these other, like, the Good Law Project, you know, he has all these links.
And What they do, these two men, especially one of them, is they set up private, limited partnership companies and dissolve them very quickly, like over and over again.
And they've got one called the Tefugees Foundation, you know, for like tech refugees.
And when I was going through the accounts, so these two men in Brighton that have set up these companies, which Carol Vorderman...
Who links to Led by Donkeys.
I'll talk about that in a minute, like, in a bit.
But when they set up those accounts, and I clicked on the website, bearing in mind they're based in Brighton, the URL went to a third-party website, and that was the company set up in Shelton Street.
So does that make sense?
So the third, the company that helps other companies, political companies.
So that to me, I don't know, it just seems a little bit coincidental.
I think it's standard practice for people who have something to hide, who don't want to be, who don't want to be traced.
And I think you're probably right to suspect that it's all coordinated, that they don't want you to know who's funding it.
And although that these campaigns All seem quite disparate.
They actually all serve the same agenda.
I think the mistake a lot of people make is that they assume that protest movements are organic and grassroots.
So people get upset about animals being mistreated or...
about CO2 emissions or whatever and that they form these groups which because they're so upset about it and something needs to be done but actually everything I've learned since I started researching watermelons and even more so now tells me that these are all top-down initiatives Funded by the same people,
the same narrow group of people.
I call them the cabal or the predator class.
And the agenda is always the same.
As I said, it's about reducing the food supply, about taking private property, about driving people.
Agenda 2030, basically.
Driving people away from the countryside into the cities, culling the population by whatever means, be it with death jabs or poisoning the water supply or poisoning the sort of ultra-processed foods you get in supermarkets,
It is the Malthusian agenda, disguised in the form of these protest groups, fronted by people like Chris, what's his name, that annoying person from the BBC. Oh, he's in all of them.
Yeah.
Yes.
It's so incestive.
They create these figures, because what they've realised...
You can tell me about Chris back in a minute and I'll just float my theory and you can see how it gels with what you've discovered so far.
So, some time ago, they realised that politicians have no credibility.
No one really gives stuff what politicians say.
But they really do care what celebrities say.
So although, for example, you've got the BBC, which pretends to have a policy where its presenters can't take political positions.
In fact, they do it quite aggressively all the time.
So you had Gary Lineker, until recently a BBC employee, pushing his work agenda.
You had Chris Packham, the presenter of the BBC's wildlife programmes, Ramming home these messages about how game shooting is wrong, about fox hunting is wrong, about just reinforcing this agenda of the war on the country people, the war on private property, the war on landowners, the war on...
So they now create celebrities using the reach of companies like Global, which you know, Global can make you a celebrity.
By giving you a job presenting one of their radio shows.
And the quid pro quo of being made a celebrity is that you push their nefarious agenda in the guise of entertainment.
Is that a fair summary?
Yeah, I think so.
Because even if, I mean, anyone in editorial, you know, your boss can say to you, if you're working for them, they can say, we really want you to push hard on this today.
So they don't even need to explicitly be like, we've got this agenda, you know, we really want to get this across.
They just say like, we want you to ramp it up, like, you know, get really strong debates going, like, can you be more opinionated?
And then that will just, you know, you can see with global, I even think global, It gets people to adopt this sort of personality because, like, Carol Vorderman, people say, I don't get it.
She seemed really, you know, she seemed really nice before.
And then she's almost behaving like James O'Brien, you know, or Jonathan Pye, or Marina Pye.
Is he LBC? Yeah, he's LBC. It's like there's this sort of global school of, like...
They get you to be, like, on the airwaves, you know.
It's like they say, they're like, Carol Vorderman, you know, we like you there, but can you ramp it up a bit?
Can you be a bit more like James O'Brien, you know?
And so she's putting on this kind of act, in a way, I would say.
Because I don't think that's her real personality.
I don't think she's really...
I'm sure they're all...
I don't think she's really like that.
So...
No.
I'm sure there are analogues in the US and Australia and wherever else, probably across the world.
James O'Brien that you mentioned, I mean, American foreign overseas viewers, luckily for them, won't be aware of this angry, angry man.
He's a sort of an English public schoolboy who's adopted this persona of this Angry, woke leftist.
And he's constantly slamming down the phone on anyone who voices an opinion which contradicts his.
And he's...
I mean...
Well, I've described him because he doesn't look like one.
He looks like an over-wanked penis.
He's got this sort of raw, horrible look about him.
But people...
It's cruel, but it's true.
He's...
Yeah, people have said he's a nice, you know, I have heard people say he's a nice person in real life.
So that makes me like, is this acting, basically?
And the other person I think is a bit chilly is Matthew Stadlin.
Do you know Matthew Stadlin?
So who is he?
Because I see him a lot.
So he's a red-headed, quite handsome chap.
He's a sort of media commentator.
I mean, I first ever heard of him.
So he's had an LBC show and he's kind of known for being comically wrong about everything on Twitter.
And kind of being like a figure that's laughed at now because he's so, you know, once he threatened to like have a boxing match or like box someone in the park that he disagreed with and he literally put up a video of himself like boxing, you know, punching the air like that.
And obviously it's ridiculous.
Everyone was like, you look so silly.
But the thing I never got is that I used to watch this show with Matthew Stadlin called...
It was called something like Five Minute Interviews and it was on BBC. And it was a fantastic show.
He would sit down with celebrities and then he'd put on the timer for five minutes and he's got to cram in all these questions.
So it makes it really interesting, you know, under the pressure.
And he was clearly like a very intelligent man.
And, you know, he seemed reasonable.
And then you've got...
And it's sort of like, what is he doing?
Because now he just comes across like a complete moron.
And you just think, is this like another...
Sort of, you know, whereas Carol Vorderman's doing the whole James O'Brien, Marina Perkis.
I even think Jonathan Pye is a shill comedian.
You know, the ranting down your throat sort of thing.
And I'm like, is Matthew Stadlin, is he meant to be like the dumb wing?
You know?
But he puts out total crap.
The B-Sky stuff is an example.
You know, we're all moving to B-Sky.
Well, B-Sky is owned by...
Sky is not owned by Murdoch, is it, in the UK? It's owned by...
Yeah, I don't know who owns B-Sky.
No, it's owned by a big American...
Yeah, what I noticed, I mean, I feel quite chuffed because I predicted the B-Sky thing along...
Yeah, so basically what I noticed, and part of what's helped me in my research actually, is the algorithms on eggs.
I mean, they are just brilliant.
Like, if you listen, if you pay attention to them, they're actually feeding you patterns, like investigative patterns.
So the algorithms, sorry, a bit of a tangent, but when they worked out what I was trying to examine, they extrapolated patterns of my research and started putting more into my net and And one of the things I noticed from these patterns was a gentle nudging, this was in September, onto BSky.
I was seeing it in bios, you know, like kind of left-wing accounts, like here's my BSky thing.
You know, it was a priming, like a nudging campaign.
And I tweeted at the time, because at the time it sounded so crazy, no one's ever even heard of BSky in September.
And I said, you know, this is my B-Sky conspiracy theory.
You know, I was trying to be like, don't think I'm too crazy, guys.
You know, we're being nudged off Twitter and it's a kind of pretext to clamp down on Elon Musk.
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, does that make sense?
I'm just being stupid here.
Sorry, we're not talking about Sky.
I was confusing you with Sky.
It's called Blue Sky.
What is Blue Sky?
Oh, sorry, sorry, I should have set the scene.
So, B Sky is this alternative...
Sorry, yeah, yeah, Blue Sky.
...the new Twitter, you know, where it's all safe and all the lefties have been telling us to go.
So, I just noticed there was this nudging in September...
And then in November, came the leaks.
There were leaks from the US showing that the Centre for Countering Digital Hate has a plan.
This is Morgan McSweeney, who's Keir Starmer's now Chief of Staff, sets up that company.
And leaks from it showed that they had a plan to kill Musk's Twitter.
Because, you know, they hate Musk on multiple counts.
But So this was like, hello, like it is actually a nudge campaign.
And then like all the shill army in recent weeks, like there was a day where all of them were like...
We're all moving at the same time, you know, they all, they even had, Carol Vorderman even put up a list where you could click on it and you would get, like, all the Shill army would pre-populate onto B-Sky and you could follow them, you know, like 90 of them, which was a kind of stupid thing to do because then it just demonstrates who's in the Shill army.
But...
Some of the nudging was just hilarious as well because it was like, oh, Twitter's really dwindling.
Everyone's leaving here.
Why not get on B-Sky?
And it's just demonstrably not true.
Twitter's still very popular.
But part of this, this whole thing kind of infuriated me a bit with the right as well, because it's like, you know what you were saying about how you can't be bothered now to argue with, you know, how they kind of fodder these shills that annoy the right, but you now kind of ignore them.
Yeah, there's no point.
But that so much of the right, I mean, I get frustrated because I put out a lot of content trying to give my theories of, like, what's going on.
And so many of the right just do not think Strategically enough?
Like, you know, they just fall for the bet.
They just take the bait every time.
They don't think, like, is this an optical illusion?
Am I wasting my breath arguing with a shill rather than...
Even bots, you know, bot accounts, accounts that probably just set up, but real people to push propaganda.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There is no point engaging with these figures because all you're doing is you're playing into the enemy's hands.
You're promoting and circulating what they want to be promoted and circulated.
I was very interested to hear what you had to say about this character, Matthew Stadlin.
Because...
Again, really not to patronise you, but to...
Indicate where those of us who are maybe deeper down the rabbit hole are now.
You rightly say that these people come across like actors because they are actors.
They're acting a role.
They're often sort of repeating a script even.
And...
If you look at the backgrounds of a lot of Hollywood celebrities, rock stars, TV personalities, a lot of them come from military backgrounds or intelligence backgrounds.
If you look back in their family history, for example.
So these are people who are known as lifetime actors.
They're people who've been Selected from an early age by dint of their heritage.
They've already been sort of earmarked for these roles.
And some of them will fail, some of them won't make the grade, but enough of them will get into the system ready to promote the agenda.
There are those who achieve prominence in a different way.
I suspect maybe Carol Fordman is one of them.
I suspect maybe this Matthew Stadden character is another one, whereby they get to a certain level of fame or prominence and then they get co-opted.
The devil takes them to a high place and shows them all the kingdoms of the world and says, you want some of this?
Well, I can give it to you.
I can give you your LBC show and you're going to be huge and your salary is going to be X. In return, all you've got to do is become the creature that is James O'Brien or the monster that is...
Modern Matthew Stadlin or the angry, not old Carol Vorderman, the new Carol Vorderman.
You've got to play the game.
You've got to sell your soul.
I would say that's not just an analogy.
People are literally selling their souls to the devil in the form of the beast system.
And I think the missing link, the gap in your understanding at the moment, because you're still talking in terms of the lefties, and they are incredibly bloody annoying, but this is going on on the right as well.
Elon Musk is not a goodie.
He's not going to save us.
He's a technocrat.
He is pushing this agenda from a different, from a kind of freedom, bro, yeah, sticking it to the, owning the libs, this kind of stuff.
There are no goodies.
Anyone in the public eye is pretty much guaranteed a baddie.
They're all actors.
I am concerned about Musk.
I mean, I guess for different...
Like, you know, I don't want him to...
I don't want him to pay reform.
I don't think that's a good idea.
I think...
And I don't...
I just don't want to...
To do what?
To pay?
Like, the reform donation.
I think that's a really bad...
You know, because that would make the right as hypocritical...
Is that Farage's party?
Yeah.
But that would make the right as hypocritical as the left because...
I mean, I have I have found evidence of the US Embassy in London, like funding the left.
And so I don't want that.
But I also think that I don't, you know, democracy has just descended into billionaires outbidding each other.
It's just, you know, it's just terrible, this system.
I mean, it's part of the reason why we're in such trouble.
And then, you know, they Them using Marxists, these kind of useful idiot Maoist students to do their dirty work and take the jail sentences as well with Just Stop Oil.
So it's just, yeah, we just, I mean, yeah.
Yes, these pretty girls called...
Amaranthus or whatever.
They've got Leticia Annunciata.
These public schoolgirls have been persuaded that to save the polar bears, they've got to deface a work of art and they have to do jail time for it.
They always have ridiculous names.
They all link around.
It's, yes, it's actually, I mean, in a way, you know, I think of them as victims because they're being used, you know, like Mao's Red Guards to achieve the cabal's aims.
And they, I mean, the trick is convincing them that they thought of the idea themselves.
But I mean, the fact that now there's a website set up for the amount of them that have gone to prison, and it's really sad to look at.
Because it's not them doing it.
Even my mum and I went to the Van Gogh exhibition the other day at the National Portrait Gallery.
But my mum said to me, you know, the funny thing about the Just Stop Oil protest is this was a really popular exhibition, so they would have had to buy those tickets.
Like months in advance, you know, they would have had to be right up there with all the people that really love art, you know.
And does that sound to you like something, I mean, the average 20-year-old student would get around to doing?
You know, someone sorted it out for them.
And I have heard that they get salaries.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They couldn't have just walked in that day and done it.
They would have had to book months.
It's like those scenes in a movie where this kid gets handed a gun and just gets told, you know, go and do that.
Go and shoot that person.
And they're sort of fired up with idealism and they don't know who they are or what they're doing.
We're going to need to deprogram them as well.
It's funny.
Mass brainwashed.
Sorry.
Oh!
No, I think you're right.
I think everyone is programmed.
I was having lunch yesterday with somebody whose daughter is really woke, and she's in her 40s.
And...
He was told he mustn't mention Trump the entire time she was staying because it would just trigger her.
I mean, she thought it was the worst thing in the world.
I mean, I'm completely agnostic on Trump in the sense that I think he's a wrong one like they all are.
I don't think he's going to save the world.
But this woman...
A mother in her 40s, supposed to be intelligent, had been programmed by her faction into thinking that the next president of the US was just so next-level evil that it was worth investing all her emotional energy in.
And it's the same with those girls who feel that, yeah, it's so important that they go and deface Van Gogh because the climate is in peril.
They don't realise that they're just like Manchurian candidates.
They've seen all those advertising posters that you're talking about.
And one shouldn't be blaming these girls, silly girls.
You should be blaming the companies which are producing the adverts, the posters.
We didn't mention, did we, Global...
Was it called The Corridor of Death or something?
All those, the posters they had promoting assisted dying.
Yeah, those are the ones that I saw at Westminster.
Yeah.
Didn't one show a sort of white, middle-class, possibly even blonde woman going, woo!
Because she'd...
I can't remember what the explanation was, but a sister dying was going to make her life so much better.
Yeah.
It was giving her a freedom, or I don't know what, whether she was on the death list or whether it was a relative that she wanted to bump off.
Yeah, she looks like...
I mean, the video, it looks like, you know, the film Grease, where Sandy is having the sleepover.
She looks a bit like that.
Sandy?
She looks like, oh, you know, look at me, I'm Sandra Day, but I'm going to die.
Yeah, and now they've replaced it.
Now they've got Randox Hellfans.
She was going to die, was she?
Yeah, she was like, woo, you know, I'm every woman, I'm going to die.
But now they've replaced it with Randoc's health ads, and it says, give the gift of health this Christmas, or something like that.
So they've kind of gone from like, do you want to die?
To like, hey, I want to live.
But it's...
Mixed messaging there, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, no, it's all really good.
But I'll tell you about the...
Can I ask you?
Yeah.
What...
Sorry, the delay feedback.
Oh, I was just going to tell you my Led by Donkeys to Vorderman association, but I don't know if that's too random at this point in the podcast.
No, tell me.
Well...
The link is that...
So, you know, you're talking about Chris Packham as well.
And he is just on every...
I mean, they're just different hats of the same movement.
You know, he's on every eco-campaign movement.
It's like, oh, who do we have again?
It's Chris Packham, probably Dale Vince.
And so...
Both funders of the Labour Party.
Well, so Dale Vince is a heavy funder of the Labour Party in there.
Yeah, there's just so many different groups.
And it just strikes me that they're all just the same thing.
But they're kind of meant to look like, oh, there are so many environmental groups.
This means it's a really popular movement.
So, led by donkeys, who are ex-Greenpeace...
Carol Vorderman and Chris Packham have done voiceovers for them, which I find really odd.
And Carol Vorderman, the Bristol is like becoming a hotbed of eco-mania.
I mean, it's been a bit very left for a while now, but Carol Vorderman's visited...
I think it always was, because that's where the BBC Wildlife Department is.
Oh.
Well, Carol Vorderman, like, visited Led by Donkeys there.
And she also met up with Chris Packham there.
And then you had the Bristol, the Bridge.
I can't remember what it's called, but the Bridge left B-Sky.
The Bridge left Twitter for B-Sky.
But, yeah, Led by...
Sorry, there's links for sake of you.
But James Sadry, right?
So the Greenpeace, Led by Donkeys member...
What I found really weird is that he's in More In Common.
They have a report and they acknowledge James Sadri.
And this is More In Common that links to Kim Leadbeater, who was on Global, where Carol Vorderman works and assisted dying is being pushed.
And then Carol Vorderman in one of her first ever political speeches Talks about more in commons director Luke Trill.
So you're just seeing, it's really confusing to keep up with, but you're just seeing, it's sort of like, this person knows it, and then they work with it, and you're like, this is all linked.
You know, that's the long story short, it's all linked.
Yes.
Well, it's obviously very incestuous, and I think that it does point to what we both suggested earlier, which is that these are a few people, very rich people, pulling the strings, and it all connects.
These aren't separate grassroots movements being pushed by people.
People with honest motives.
They are shills, as you call them.
I wanted to ask you, Charlotte, what...
Before you sort of went down this rabbit hole, what was your, were you in the world of think tanks or what?
No, I was, so I've been freelance since October last year, freelance journalist, and I was doing, it's really random actually, I got into news, because I normally wrote my opinion and And I think I had been kind of drifting that way.
But I thought I was writing for the Telegraph a lot about what I call it woke waste, like ideological government spending, which has gone like people really want I mean, the scale is insane.
And that keeps me really busy as well.
Before I mean, I got majorly distracted by this whole Carol Vorderman stuff.
But I was doing Yeah, I was doing like a lot of independent journalism.
Yeah.
So did you go to university?
Yeah, I did.
I went to Leeds and I did psychology.
Okay.
And you left there and then did you go straight into journalism?
In a roundabout way, yeah.
I worked for a media startup, a really crap one.
And then I slowly kind of worked in editorial, like magazine companies.
And then I worked for GB News for a bit.
I produced there.
And then I decided to go freelance.
I actually got sober, like dramatic, but I just decided that I didn't want to, you know, I wanted to go and try freelance now.
It actually changed me quite a lot, I would say.
Okay.
Yeah.
In what way?
Well, I had a lot of energy.
So a lot of energy for investigating things.
It's almost like all the energy went into being really nosy.
I guess I had more bravery about things because you don't have like...
You're not so anxious in a way, like you don't have, you don't have the fear.
You don't, you just, I don't know, just you become more cheerful, I guess, in a way.
So you're, you're braver about confronting things.
Well, this is just my own experience.
It's like having a hobby, isn't it?
Yeah, it's really, but people do get, you know, when, I mean, I wasn't, I wasn't like a good drinker, you know, not in like a terrible, terrible way, but, you know, people, when they give up things, they do, you do get transfers of energy and like into things.
And so that my kind of obsessive brain needed something else to go into.
Yeah.
Oh, I see.
I see.
Yeah, no, I'm curious because I come from a different generation.
I mean, I think things have always been bad, but I suspect that probably when I was in the mainstream media, I The media was perhaps less naked and shameless in its propagandising than it is now.
I mean, I think now you can read a newspaper and it doesn't even...
I mean, I'm amazed anyone falls for it anymore.
The propaganda is so blatant.
But I think that Maybe I was just deluded.
When I was in newspapers doing opinion pieces and there's a news...
Well, yeah, arts correspondent and a bit of time on the news, yes.
I genuinely thought that journalists were there...
To speak truth to power without fear or favour and to find out the truth about stuff.
I never realised I was part of this propaganda machine for the cabal.
And I was just wondering whether when you were doing your journalism, did you notice anything rum about the newspaper industry or did you think it was all kind of kosher and respectable and driven, motivated by truth?
Well, I have found that I, I mean, they obviously that gets to a point where you reach their vested interests as well, if you're trying to give, do investigations, because I mean, I have brought my dossiers to, I won't say what newspapers, but I've taken them to a couple of newspapers and And I part of the reason I took them, well, I think they're very interesting.
But I also was like, I need help.
This is a massive investigation.
And both times I got, I felt like they were interested, but they turned it down.
And I think that's because eventually you come around to the point where you're hitting their funders invested interest.
I mean, that's just what I would kind of get.
Because I could tell the editor was actually interested, but then he'd obviously, you know, they might speak to someone higher up and they're like, no, no.
So that is a big problem.
And also it's like, I'm sure that you found this, James, that it does get quite lonely because when you find things, you know, we both found things that we were like, what the hell?
And it feels you're having to fight it We need a whole army of us because it's really scary and I don't know how hopeful you feel.
I mean, part of me sometimes, I veer between optimism and pessimism because I'm like, more people are coining that things really aren't right.
But I'm like, how the hell are we going to check, especially with the media?
Are you finding that?
Yes, I do think so.
I think it's almost...
I think there's an analogy with Cassandra in the Iliad, but not...
Obviously, everyone knows the part of the analogy that she was destined to never be believed with her theories.
But then, you know, the second bit to that is when the Greeks storm out of the Trojan horse and the city starts burning.
And I think we might be at the city starts burning stage.
And in that environment, it's a lot easier to say, yeah, yeah.
The city was going to burn and here's, will you listen now?
Sort of thing.
And I think things like London, you know, people keep saying, why is London so bad?
You know, and it comes to a point where you're going to have to, like, actually look at the evidence and say, well, because Sadiq Khan works for Michael Bloomberg in the C40. And it's not, you know, it's not, oh, he's just so incompetent.
There's more weird reasons for it.
So I think in the context of everyone being utterly flabbergasted, it's a lot easier to cut through and You know, eventually, I mean, I'm seeing more people say, the amount of people I see at the moment that I hear, especially because of my Substack project, so I get quite a lot of approaches from people.
And I often get told, the amount of times people have said to me, you're going to think I'm crazy, but, and I'm like, you're like the 10th person that said that to me.
So, but I don't know, how optimistic do you feel?
Oh, really, really, really, really, really pessimistic, but optimistic in the end because I'm Christian.
So, you see, I think this is the final rabbit hole.
I'm not going to bang on it too much because I get complaints from the non-Christians saying, you know, here you are giving a lecture about Christianity again.
But you see, there comes a point, there has to come a point where you do all this research.
And you think, okay, all the things that I've been taught to think are conspiracy theories, which are only believed by nutcases with tinfoil hats living in their mother's basement.
They're all true.
Every one of them.
None of them is not true.
So you go, well...
That's tricky to take on board.
And then you realise that all governments around the world are just puppets.
They have no autonomy.
They are merely the vassals of shadowy figures, you know, old families, and some of them you've heard of, you know, like Rockefeller, and some of them you really probably haven't heard of, like...
Have you heard of the Van Dyne family, for example?
Probably not.
Do you know about the Collins family?
No.
There's a lot of families.
Yeah, the Collins own District of Columbia, you know, for example.
And then you get into deeper things like the Black nobility and stuff.
And you think...
Well, okay, so the TV and entertainment industry is a brainwashing exercise.
All the actors involved in it, they're not like you and me.
They come with these very dotty backgrounds.
They've been selected from an early age to probably involved in all sorts of hideous sexual skullduggery and worse.
And What else?
I mean, the media doesn't do its job because media is owned by these people.
It's all a lie.
They've been planning this stuff, not just for decades, but for centuries.
They use war, pestilence, famine.
They engineer these things to cull us.
We are cattle to them.
It's hard to feel great when you know this and realising that now the final piece of their jigsaw is about to become available to them.
In the form of technocracy, because they persuaded everyone to carry this spy device around them, imagining that it's their phone and it's a fun thing.
So everyone's using their spy device.
They're about to introduce central bank digital currencies, which are going to make it impossible to have Free exchanges using cash.
They will be able to, as in the Bible, to be able to control what you sell.
If you don't have the mark of the beast, you won't be able to buy or sell.
They perfected weather manipulation technology, which means that they can literally kill people from the skies.
I mean, the guy who was on his yacht, and they generated the squall that destroyed the yacht and his business colleagues.
So, once you know all this stuff, you think, well, why?
How do these people have this power?
And If you go down the final rabbit hole, you find an explanation, which is that these people are the creatures of the devil.
The Bible tells us that Satan is the God of this world, and he kind of runs the show by God's permission, but this isn't going to last forever, and that there will come a point where God will intervene, Christ will come again, and we'll be relieved of this stuff.
In the material realm, you know, outside the spiritual realm, I mean, I'm not quite sure, other than praying hard, what there is we can do because You're only just emerging into this world that I've been living in for four years and some people have been living in it much longer.
You look around you.
Maybe people are going, yeah, London's a bit of a shithole, isn't it?
But that's about as far as they get.
They're not going, Why is London a shithole?
And then, okay, so they may get Mercedee, Khan and Bloomberg, but they're not going to get to the bottom of this thing.
People are not waking up.
People are...
So they're running rings around us.
This tiny minority of people.
We're talking maybe 6,000 people, I've heard it said, who really run the world.
And how many of us, I don't believe the population figures, but suppose it's 6 billion, suppose it's 8 billion, you know, we outnumber them by a considerable margin.
Yeah.
And still they're winning.
So how is that going to change?
I know, well, I'm trying...
So I don't want to depress you.
No, it's fine, because, yeah, sometimes I'm like, we've got to change it, and then I'm just...
I'm at a different point, I guess.
But I do wonder whether I should just move to the Isle of Wight and live in a bunker.
Can you still hear me?
David Icke lives on the Isle of Wight.
Better or worse.
Yeah, yeah, I can.
Can you hear me?
I was saying David Icke lives on the Isle of Wight.
Oh gosh!
But one thing that...
You're already discovering this, that it's much better to know than not to know.
And it's really fun.
It's really fun researching this stuff.
I mean, it's way more fun than...
I enjoy my life so much more than I did in the days when I was dependent on a newspaper to fund me and to tell me where to go and what to do.
And I'd float ideas, and as you've found, sometimes for whatever reason, they don't want to go with your idea, even though it's a good one.
And what you realise with hindsight is the reason they didn't go with your great idea is because it didn't suit their agenda.
It's not because it wasn't a good idea, it's because they're not an honest broker.
And I think you'll find...
I mean, you're doing some great research.
You're doing the kind of...
I mean, it's wonderful that you found this particular niche for yourself, which I think is a really useful niche.
I do really enjoy it.
I didn't realise how...
I didn't realise that I picked up on a lot of...
Not to sound like, eh, I'm so amazing, but I didn't realise how many clues I noticed in the environment.
You know, like a spy, almost.
I mean, that's the only way I can describe it, because I think I get so annoyed by so many things.
You know, the average person will just see it and be like...
Nah.
Whereas I'll be like, why?
I'm going to write a letter.
I'm really angry.
But then that's been really useful.
It's like all kind of over the course of a long time, like longer than a year, actually.
I think all these little things have built up.
Like, that doesn't make sense.
That doesn't make sense.
And then...
And it's all led to these kind of epiphanies.
But I think, yeah, no, it is quite liberating.
I'm still trying to get more paid subscribers to my sub stack because the only thing is money.
That's the hard thing about going independent.
It's difficult, but...
But it is really liberating.
I mean, I found...
I don't think...
When I worked at GB News, I don't think it was...
I mean, I don't think some of my stories didn't get through because they were like pushing an agenda.
But I just found...
Some of the stories that I thought were really interesting were, like, I always wanted to do you, Les, right?
For, like, a year.
You know, I was like, please can we do you?
And some of my colleagues used to tease me, like, you're really obsessed with cars, haha.
Like, in meetings, they'd be like, oh, Charlotte's so obsessed with cars.
And I was like, I'm not.
It's like a totalitarian template.
I didn't say that, but I was like...
This is a democratic issue.
It's not about cars.
And then like the year later, it was like, you les year, you know, I'd been saying it for ages.
And then by that stage, it was too late.
You couldn't nip it in the bud because precisely because of those people around you saying, yeah, it's never going to happen.
What are you worried about?
And suddenly there it is.
It just really annoyed me.
To sound arrogant, and like James, I tend to spot patterns like long before, you know, in the media.
I'll sort of spot a trend and then I'll pitch it.
And they're like, this is too niche, too London-centric.
And I'm like, but London is like the epicentre, right?
It's, yes, a lot of people, but people really care about London because whatever gets tried in the Petri dish of London is coming to a city near you.
And the media have this awful expression.
I don't know if you found this, like if you pitch a story about London, they'll say, oh, it's a bit London-centric, you know, they hate, but some London stories do...
Some of the best, you know, in terms of views, people really want to know what Sadiq Khan's up to, because he's very powerful.
And I think that's one of the main...
The media just has all these really stupid rules, you know, that you can get around when you do your own...
Everything has to have a hook.
You can only write about it if it's come up in the news.
No London-centric.
All these kind of legacy media rules that I guess we're on the fringe, that we don't have to abide by, and that's very liberating.
It's been great talking to you, Charlotte, and good luck with your journey.
Tell us where we can find your Substack.
Yeah, so if you just Google Charlotte Gill, it should come up.
It's called Charlotte Gill Substack.
Or you can type in, I call my main section woke waste, as in like wasteful spending.
So if you just Google either of that, then it should come up.
But thank you so much for having me on the show.
It's been really great to air all our thoughts.
No, it's been great and good luck with your journey.
I mean, I can tell, I hope you don't lose too many friends and I hope you don't lose, I hope you gain more work than you lose.
I mean, that is sometimes a price that it gets quite tricky when you start talking about things that people don't want you to talk about.
But anyway, yeah, really nice chatting to you.
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