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Jacob Nordangård

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	Welcome to the Delling Pod.
	Jacob Is it Norden Gård or Gjörd?
	You say Nordam Gård in Swedish.
	Nordam Gård.
	Gård.
	Yes.
	OK.
	Jacob Nordam Gård.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I've noticed this.
	When I watch Swedish movies, sort of art movies on MUBI, there are some bits of dialogue where Swedish is remarkably similar to English.
	Reflecting its Nordic roots, I suppose.
	Yes.
	The Viking roots.
	Yeah, the Viking roots.
	And we have some similar words.
	Yeah, give me an example because I can't immediately think of any.
	A hand.
	Hand.
	That's similar.
	Yeah.
	foot foot quite a good Body parts, you know.
	Yeah, body parts.
	Important things.
	Basic things.
	That was important for the Vikings, you know.
	What about animals?
	What's your word for horse?
	Häst.
	Häst.
	Quite similar.
	And cow?
	Koo.
	Koo.
	Cow, koo.
	Cat, katt.
	Dog?
	That's a different word.
	Hund.
	No, but it's not, because we have hound.
	Yeah, yeah, you have, yeah.
	The Germans have hound.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Now I'm intrigued by the different words that neighbouring countries have for horse.
	So we've got, in English we've got horse.
	French have got cheval.
	The Germans have got pferd.
	Which is nothing like.
	It's interesting that certain words have all sorts of weird root derivations.
	Anyway, we're not here to talk about etymology.
	I'm so genuinely excited to have you on the show, Jacob, because I believe you are the missing link, or you have provided me with the missing link, to a book I wrote about 12 years ago called Watermelons, and the book was about the environmental movement, and I set out to answer the question if, as I suspect,
	Global warming is not really a major problem or you know man-made global warming is there's not much scientific evidence to support it.
	Why do so many people believe it and what is what is the motivation of the people pushing this this narrative and I almost got there.
	But then I heard your podcast that you did with Ivor Cummings, I think you did a couple, and I read one of your books on the Rockefellers.
	Was it Rockefeller controlling the game?
	Yes, exactly.
	Before we go there though, tell me a bit about yourself and about your background.
	You're a heavy metal guitarist among other things, aren't you?
	Actually a singer.
	Singer?
	I'm a singer in a band called Wardenclyffe.
	We are into doom metal.
	That's very fitting to everything that's going on around in the world, I think.
	I actually use the music that I've done as soundtrack to some of my works.
	It's like letting off some steam.
	Sometimes you need that because things are so crazy and has been for a long time.
	What is your heavy metal voice like?
	I haven't heard it, I'm sorry, but is it a kind of... noise or is it...
	Well, I have a quite... I can sing clean, beautifully, but also with anger and more growly.
	That depends on the context of the song.
	I like that aspect of heavy metal.
	I mean, you get it in... I don't know whether you call Led Zeppelin heavy metal or not, but that sort of...
	gentle heavy dynamic that you get it sort of makes the songs more interesting doesn't it?
	Yeah yeah and yeah it's a I like that because it's you can you can have you can express yourself in in such uh uh different modes.
	Yeah I mean sorry Yeah, I mean, we have like a ballad, love ballad, that's very, very soft on the album, as well as very, very hard songs.
	So you can, it's, it's about being a human, you have all these sides in you.
	Yeah, yeah, it goes from love to hate.
	Yeah, and you've got, unlike Robert Plant, who was probably not a Viking, although he sang quite a lot about Vikings.
	The Immigrant Song.
	Yeah, the Immigrant Song, among other things.
	But you actually have the Viking blood in you to be able to do this thing authentically.
	Yes.
	I've seen.
	Do you make, I mean, does it pay?
	Do you earn any money out of it?
	No.
	No?
	It's just a black hole.
	I don't know how much.
	I think the last album cost me like 150,000 Swedish crowns.
	That's like £12,000 I think.
	12,000 pound, I think.
	Right.
	A lot of money.
	And what did we get out of it?
	Like $100 or something.
	It's just...
	You don't earn any money on this.
	You have to sell merchandise and t-shirts and stuff.
	We don't sell any records.
	I mean it's just streaming nowadays.
	Yeah.
	So it's impossible to earn a living on music.
	But it's a great hobby.
	And I hope that... It's like when you are... I've been a rock musician since I was a teenager.
	And you always have this dream of breaking through.
	Yeah.
	Go on stage and get all the chicks, you know.
	And that dream still goes on.
	Now I'm in the mid-fifties.
	So somehow you still are a teenager longing for playing on stage.
	And everybody likes you, kind of.
	But Jacob, can I have a quiet word here?
	Surely you must have worked out by now that the music industry is part of the same diabolical control system as everywhere else.
	You were never going to make it, never in a million years, even if you were the best.
	Yeah, I know.
	I really, really like the record we made a couple of years ago.
	It's the best songs I've written and I'm so much proud of it.
	I think it's good.
	It stands out.
	Yeah, it stands out and I'm proud of that.
	But of course it won't sell because I'm not a part of the industry.
	I've not signed the pact with these people.
	I'm actually, what I thought a rock musician should do, be, I mean, against the man.
	Yeah, I mean those people, those people in the power, for me it's always been a rebel thing to music.
	I think a lot of people were quite disappointed during the so-called pandemic, which it wasn't.
	A lot of people were really disappointed by the response of the rock music fraternity, the way you had sort of the Foo Fighters only giving concerts for the jabbed, and Mick Jagger actually singing a song I think critical of people who hadn't taken this experimental treatment.
	And it's a tiny fraction of the rock musicians that actually were against it.
	And we have this rage against machine.
	I think they forced the people that would come to their concerts to have a vaccine passport and it's just...
	Yes, didn't they?
	Was that the one that sang, fuck you, if they weren't... Yeah.
	If you do what they... Fuck you, we won't do what you tell us, or something like that.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	So, the ultimate rebel song, and they said, but by the way, take the...
	Take this pharmaceutical product which we're promoting on behalf of the predator class, the elite.
	So, I want to thank you, Jacob, for your research, which I bet hardly anyone knows about, apart from the people who've watched the Ivor Cummings podcast.
	And a few others, I imagine.
	People just don't know about your research into the Rockefeller family.
	And as I understand it, you started out from the other side of the divide.
	You were a Greenie.
	You believed in the whole Green agenda.
	Yes, I did.
	Totally.
	I was in the Green Party.
	But I started out in, it's like 20 years ago now, but I think I joined the Green Party some years before that, but I started my research 20 years ago.
	Very convinced about the environmental movement and we were against these bad guys that were running the big oil corporations and so on.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, we're totally into it.
	But things changed.
	What opened your eyes?
	As I was researching, because I was very interested in the Pecoy Theory.
	That was the thing for me.
	I was alarmed of it.
	I thought this was very scary.
	But I understood that without oil it will be a problem to run this society.
	But as I investigated this I also wanted to know about what are the alternatives.
	And I started to investigate alternative energy like biofuels and We had this in Sweden with the prime minister that we talked a lot about.
	We can use our forests and we can run our cars on these.
	And for me it was just, what?
	I was studying geography at the time, so it was just, you can't actually run your NUBA systems without The oil system behind it, it won't work.
	For me, I mean, I was just a student.
	But so I thought, how can these people be so blind and stupid?
	But as I more get into it, I also understood we have had a lot of interest groups.
	We had, I mean, companies that were involved in this that wanted to make money on that.
	But as I was doing this study, and I studied the oil market as well during this peak oil study, and I read some books.
	One of them was Mike Ruppert's Crossing the Rubicon.
	You know that book?
	No, no.
	It was very interesting because it talked about how the control of the oil in the Middle East and the oil wars that had been going on since 9-11.
	And that opened my eyes for a lot of things in the background with corruption and how they used oil money and it was drug money and a lot of networks behind the scenes that set up things.
	And a couple of years later I found another book by William Engdahl Century of War, because I was interested in how oil had affected the geopolitics of the world.
	You know that Century of War book?
	No.
	No?
	You're adding to my reading list by the minute.
	And that book was a shock for me.
	Because, I mean, I really, really liked the historical background.
	It talked about how oil and energy had been behind the First World War, the Second World War, and how those players who controlled these resources were the winning parts of the wars.
	But it also had a chapter about the environmental movement.
	And this chapter at first made me... I don't want to believe this.
	Because William Engdahl explained that a lot of environmental organizations set up in 1969 and 1970 and they were funded by very rich and influential people from the oil industry.
	And it was just, no, this can't be true.
	I still believe we are a good team.
	We have good people.
	We are here for a cause.
	So I didn't want to believe that until I really started to do the investigation myself.
	And found out that Ing Angdahl wasn't the only one.
	We had a couple of other authors.
	And one interesting author is a Swedish.
	He actually was from, I think, a kind of a socialist party or something.
	But he wrote, he was a journalist and made a study for the Friends of the Earth.
	And this is about their history.
	And in that he revealed that Friends of the Earth, they had got money from Robert O. Anderson.
	Robert O. Anderson was the head of the Atlantic Richful Corporation, a big oil company.
	And he was also one of David Rockefeller's best friends.
	And so, so these, the most, I mean, the most extreme, the friends of yours, but it's so anti-capitalistic and so they are very, very left and they were set up by this group of people.
	And also in on the board of directors, you could find someone like Aurelio Pache.
	And that was another thing, because doing this study about peak oil, I found that there were certain lobby groups that were very, very much into say that this problem, the oil was big and we had to do something.
	And that was when I discovered, or I've heard them before, I mean they were very well known, the Club of Rome.
	Yeah.
	And they were very involved in this and then I found out how the Club of Rome was involved in this and who had funded them and were behind all this.
	And also the next step was Because it was like all these groups, they had one thing in common.
	They said we have to change the system.
	It was with oil.
	These lobby groups are talking about peak oil.
	We have to change and uproot the system.
	We have to have something new.
	And then I found out, or I mean I read about Peak Oil already in 2004.
	They have an originator of that theory.
	You know who he is?
	What?
	The originator of the Peak Oil theory.
	Hubbard?
	Yeah.
	Marion King Hubbard.
	Marion King Hubbard, yeah.
	And he had a career before he became a geologist for Shell Oil.
	He had been one of the originators of the technocracy movement and actually wrote this technocracy study course about a whole new economic system.
	And as I could see for myself and study the sources it was that was the thing that the Club of Rome actually was trying to do.
	A sort of totally planned economy but not a socialist economy but a technocratic system or economy.
	So this made me realize some things.
	I quit the Green Party after all this.
	I understood the people that were behind this and they wanted a new system.
	And they were funded by the very, very rich and influential people of the world.
	They were funded by those that the Green Movement viewed as their enemies.
	So it was just... And I also witnessed during the time in the Green Party, because at first I think there were some decent people in the party that I was part of.
	But during this time, 2004 to 2008 when I left the party, the subject of climate change came into the picture.
	I remember going, being a man, when I I really wanted to do something in my home city and I discussed with the members of the local Green Party.
	I remember asking them, why are you in the party?
	What do you want to achieve?
	And at that time, I think it was like in 2000, it must be 2004, almost nobody talked.
	They didn't talk about climate.
	Nobody.
	They were interested in other things.
	I mean, like birds or forests.
	Wells.
	Yeah.
	Obviously Wales.
	Yeah.
	But nobody talked about climate.
	But these things changed within two years.
	And suddenly it was all about climate.
	It was not about the old environmental issues anymore.
	It was just about the climate.
	And I also witnessed that the Green Party was more or less It was new people that were coming in the party.
	They looked more like businessmen.
	They didn't look like the old Green Party members.
	More like technocrats.
	And these people, they came with these ideas about... I remember from... They had this hearing in the Swedish Parliament about an energy credit system and so on.
	These technocratic concepts.
	And that was the Green Party that were involved in this.
	So...
	And the next thing, because of climate change was so severe, we have to do something.
	We can't do this alone.
	So they abandoned their skeptical stance against European Union.
	And now we said we have to join.
	The European Union.
	If we are in the Union, we can do something together against and fight this climate change.
	So yes, I just had to leave.
	But it was interesting to actually be a part of a political game and study how it worked.
	So the experience was good.
	But I was kind of scared of how it worked.
	Can I ask you a question now?
	I was going to ask later on in our chat, but I was chatting to somebody yesterday, a very well-educated person who'd spent time in the financial sector.
	He knows people.
	I mean, he knows people on the committee of 300, for example.
	That's how connected he is.
	And I was outlining his, your thesis.
	And I explained what went right back to the 1950s when the five Rockefeller brothers, we'll talk about this in a moment, outlined the things they were going to exploit in order to advance their personal agenda, you know, climate change being one of them.
	And I laid out all the details and he said, yes, but there's one thing I don't understand.
	Why would people who make their money from the oil industry create an environment where people campaigned against oil?
	How do you explain that?
	They are very smart people.
	And I would say that it's like they know if you have... you always get enemies.
	You always get resistance.
	You always get people that will act against you.
	So it's much better to act proactively.
	And be a part of that movement.
	And actually set the agenda for that movement.
	And that's what's happened.
	And if you see what this is going to, the direction everything is leading to,
	What I thought was kind of strange in the green part first it was I mean they talked about we have to join the European Union and I knew who were behind the European Union and how can environmental problems be solved better with like global governance.
	I didn't think it made any sense.
	And also with Greenpeace talking about this Rio meeting in 2012, we need global governance.
	And that's when you know that, because I've been a part of these local groups before, we talk about the local environment.
	We talk about the problems that we can see, feel close to us, and that we actually can do something about.
	And also with wind power, that's an example.
	With all the wind farms, we have a lot of it.
	We have a lot of it in Europe, we have a lot of it in England, in Sweden, a lot of it.
	But this These groups are not part of the environmental movement, despite this affects the environment in a very bad way.
	Yeah.
	So you can see that, okay, these people, this movement is kind of created or hijacked.
	It's doing the bidding of the large companies that know what they can invest in.
	Yes.
	I think that's one of the important things in this.
	And William Engdahl, he pointed out this already in this book, I think it's from 2004, Century War, that these oil people, they know that wind and solar power, it's not, I mean, it's not like it can compete with oil.
	or natural gas.
	Yes.
	The thing it has done now is that the prices of oil and natural gas has been it's higher and it's precious because oh it's gonna end and and they always claim that During this time we can use natural gas as a transition.
	And one of the interesting examples I have, what I wrote about in a Substack post, it is we have this something called the Climate Governance Commission.
	Have you heard about the Climate Governance Commission?
	Tell me.
	This is a kind of a lobby group that was set up by a Swedish Global Challenges Foundation and an American think tank called the Stimson Center.
	And they have advised the United Nations during the Our Common Agenda process with this new pact for the future.
	It's a big thing.
	This meeting is now in 22nd, 24th September this year.
	But this commission They have advised them on how to create better governance mechanism to handle climate change.
	That's the thing.
	And when you look into some of the sponsors to this project, you find Qatar.
	A think tank in Qatar.
	And you also find that they have meetings in Doha where we discuss climate and that's interesting because I mean Qatar what would it be without oil or natural gas?
	Nothing!
	When you dig into things, you find out that Qatar is one of the biggest investors in wind energy in Europe.
	They are owning the Spanish Iberdrola Group.
	That is very involved, at least in Sweden.
	I don't know how it is in Britain, but a large part of Europe with wind farms.
	At the same time, they are developing the world's largest natural gas field that they share with Iran.
	And who are helping them with this natural gas project?
	That's interesting, because that is Exxon.
	ExxonMobil.
	And the Climate Governance Commission also receives funding from the Rockefeller Foundation, of course, set up with money from the Standard Oil companies.
	And Exxon was, of course, Standard Oil of New Jersey in the beginning.
	So you can just find these people.
	And after the Nord Stream incident, Ah, yes.
	Qatar could sign contracts in Europe about exporting liquefied natural gas to Europe.
	And that's funny.
	Nord Stream went down and North Field went up.
	That's what this natural gas field is called.
	It's almost as though the real reason for the West's war on Putin over Ukraine was to protect their natural gas, to destroy Putin's natural gas supply line to Germany.
	Do you think that's the real reason?
	Yes, and I think, I mean, these are people that, they invest, they want to earn money.
	They earn money if... Of course, if the export is ruined from Russia, someone has to take that part.
	So, I mean, it's always this bargaining and things with... And Russia, instead, they sell oil to India and so on.
	But it's always people that earn money on this and they think these conflicts are great.
	It's great for business.
	And they can also use these activist groups.
	I was going to ask you, sorry, Karim.
	I had another theory, an extra theory, on why it might be that a family like the Rockefellers would campaign against oil.
	Where are you on abiotic oil?
	Do you believe that, as I do, that oil is actually not a scarce resource?
	That it probably is abiotic and therefore abundant?
	I was studying peak oil for many years and eventually it was this Theory with that it's organic material out of fossils, it didn't make any sense.
	So it felt like no.
	Then I read Thomas Gold.
	This book, what's it called?
	I don't remember now.
	And I also read, it was another oil geologist, Kenny I think, that wrote about this abiotic theory and I thought that made much more sense.
	So I'm more into that now.
	Because I think we have other reasons that they want us to believe it's fossil fuel theory.
	Yes, well exactly.
	I think they want us to believe it for... They want to push the dinosaurs evolution narrative.
	So there was a period long ago when the dinosaurs stalked the earth and all these trees eventually became oil.
	So they want to promote the fossil fuel thing.
	But they also want to promote this idea that oil is a scarce resource and therefore it is subject to supply shortages and also the need for exploration in inaccessible regions.
	It's used as an excuse to justify massive swings in the share price from which those in the know They can earn a lot of money on this.
	Of course, they have done this all the time.
	That's why they are rich.
	That's why they are more or less controlling the resources of the world.
	Shall we now examine the Rockefellers, your friends, in a bit more detail?
	Because their family history is a sort of microcosm of what we're up against, isn't it?
	I think people, there are still, maybe even some people watching this podcast will be going, well, I don't believe that the world is controlled by these super powerful, super evil families that manipulate everything to their agenda.
	I don't believe it.
	But you've got the receipts for one family, which are the Rockefellers.
	Do you know anything?
	I mean, I know that John D. Rockefeller, his father was quite literally a snake oil salesman.
	Yeah, he was.
	Devil Bill.
	Yeah, he was called.
	There's a clear, eh?
	He must have been a nice guy then, eh?
	But where did they come from?
	I mean, how do you get to become, you know, your dad's a snake oil salesman.
	I mean, it can't just be ruthlessness and business acumen that enables a nobody like John Dee to become supposedly the richest man in the world.
	Well, he started out in Cleveland, but it Of course, you have to have people backing up and someone that is believing the idea.
	I mean, at first he has to go to a bank, apply for a loan to start building up his own company.
	And it's like we started with talking about my band.
	I will never get anywhere with my band because I don't have backup.
	So of course he managed to come in contact with the powerful people of his day and he became very, what do you say, but at the same time he was very very smart and strategic.
	I'm kind of impressed with some of his... I don't agree with how he did it, but it's kind of impressive to see how you can build this company from
	Well, so as I understand it, he, when sort of petroleum was still a kind of waste product almost, he foresaw its potential on the eve of the motor car.
	Yes.
	So he got there just the right time and He was so ruthless and greedy that he decided to get a monopoly over every part of the production process, from the drilling to the finishing to the sales.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's how he did it.
	You have to control everything and that's why the book is called Controlling the Game.
	They understood that it was very important to control the opposition against their ruthless business methods as well.
	For example, we have Ida Tarbell that wrote the history of Standard Oil and revealed all these methods and how he had acted against competitors and so on.
	At that time when this book come out it was an article series as well and and opinion wasn't good in favor of the Rockefellers at that time so that's when they decided we have to to control that as well not just we have our business but we have to control the people that
	is around and are affected by our business as well and make them work for us.
	Yes, just briefly, what were the worst business practices that Tarbell revealed in her book?
	What sort of things were they doing?
	Well, they started out, it was like at first It tells a company to, OK, we want to buy you.
	And if they didn't agree, they made other things.
	They made things hard for this competing company, if they don't agree.
	It's like, we are nice to you.
	We come with a deal.
	If you don't accept it, then they will punish you.
	And they had this with, it was the railways.
	So he had a deal with railway companies on oil monopoly.
	So the competing companies couldn't transport their oil at a good price.
	So he ran them out of business.
	We couldn't compete.
	But he thought it was fair at first.
	Okay, I will give you a chance.
	And with those companies that were too big, he decided instead to, we have to cooperate.
	Like it was the Rothschilds, for example.
	Yeah.
	The Rothschilds, he couldn't beat the Rothschilds.
	They became partners instead after the oil wars in the 1880s.
	Yeah, well, you couldn't compete with the Rothschilds because, I mean, that money goes back much further.
	I mean, you think about how much money they made after the Battle of Waterloo, when I think they owned something like 80% of the London stock market after that.
	So that's a lot of money.
	And they wouldn't have lost it.
	That would have grown.
	- If he'd lost it, that would have grown.
	So I can see why he couldn't compete with them.
	And so he built up this enormous fortune.
	I don't believe he was the richest man in the world or anything.
	I think that's just part of the kind of the myth.
	There were older richer families behind the scenes.
	Yeah, it is.
	Behind the scenes.
	But then he spawned a son, John Dee II, I suppose he was called, was he?
	Junior.
	John D. Junior, who was also a nasty piece of work, who was responsible for the massacre at the coal... The Ludlove massacre in 1914.
	in 1914.
	That was a nasty affair and not good for them, for the public opinion was very They were furious about how these capitalists didn't care for workers and their families.
	I mean, it's a lot of people that died in the massacre.
	21 people, mostly women and children, I think, were burned or machine-gunned.
	Yeah, it wasn't a good thing.
	That's quite an image problem to overcome, isn't it?
	Yeah, it is.
	We had meetings with Ivy Lee.
	I believe, I mean, he was behind the public relations.
	He invented public relations, more or less.
	Yeah.
	So they really needed an expert.
	So he told them, Junior, he had to go to this mining town and I think he had danced with some of the women and we could have pictures and they were acting nice and then they were also advised to handing out money.
	The senior, he was always going around with having a team, taking pictures with him, handing out dimes to poor little children and so on.
	It worked at that time.
	Today it would, of course, not work right away.
	I think it has affected his legacy in that even now, apparently in his lifetime, he spent $35,000 on dimes to hand out to children.
	And I was looking this up, researching this, and even now, I found a positive description of this saying that, you know, he was a sort of philanthropist and stuff.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you and I know that this family were rotten to the core.
	And yet he has a kind of – he claimed to be a faithful Christian, didn't he?
	A Baptist, yes.
	So yeah, that's read the Bible all the time.
	He had two books that he really liked.
	The Bible and his ledger.
	That's a bit sad.
	Yeah, so that's the most important.
	He loved the bookkeeping thing.
	That was the best thing.
	He knew everything he wrote up.
	And this has been, he teached his son to do this and his son teaches his sons and so The Holy Ledger!
	The thing is, I'll tell you what's weird about it.
	It just goes to show that you can read the Bible every day and still be a really, really bad person.
	And that people who sort of profess to be Christians can use it as a mask for the most appalling behaviour.
	I mean he actually perceived himself as... I've got this money!
	Why do I have this money?
	It must be God's!
	God that tells me... I own this!
	And now I can create whatever with this money.
	I can make a better world.
	world.
	And like recreate the Garden of Eden.
	It's like too much money.
	So I don't think he looked upon himself as an evil person.
	I think he justifies his behavior and those that were in the way were of course sinful people.
	But we know how these These bloodline families operate that they weed out any family member who does not display the correct psychopathic traits.
	So if you don't shape up to be as evil as your father and your grandfather, you don't get, you get pretty short shrift, don't you?
	I mean, and I think part of that involves abusive behavior of various kinds.
	I mean, even if it's just bullying, but probably, probably worse.
	We probably were talking kind of dark sexual stuff as well to sort of fracture their personalities and turn them into these, these creatures.
	So, I don't know whether that's what happened with the Rockefellers, and probably you don't either, but by the third generation, you've got five brothers.
	And I think this is a crucial point, isn't it?
	In the development of the green lie.
	Do they have one meeting or is it a succession of meetings?
	They have a lot of meetings where they discuss, first with their foundation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, set up in 1940.
	What are we going to do with this money?
	What should we invest in?
	What do we want to create with this?
	So they start out in the 40s, and in the 50s they are ready.
	They have been trained.
	John D. Rockefeller III, the eldest brother, he becomes the chairman of the Rockefeller Foundation.
	so they are ready and we have the second brother Nelson he is very involved in politics and he has worked with the presidential administrations and he wants to be the next president of the United States but first he becomes a senator and we have David
	That goes into banking.
	Chase Manhattan Bank, the family bank that now is one of the biggest banks in the world.
	Now it's JP Morgan Chase.
	And we have Lawrence.
	That is very much into environmental things.
	It's called Mr. Environment.
	And John D. Rockefeller III is called Mr. Population.
	It's very into much population issue.
	Is it?
	Yes.
	This connects population and environment.
	It's very connected.
	It's more or less the same.
	The same ideas behind this.
	And the last brother is Winthrop.
	Rockefeller and he's also into politics.
	He becomes a senator or governor.
	might be in Arkansas but he's the one that it's not the other brothers they are very very involved internationally but he's more locally.
	Good old boy.
	He's not like the other brothers.
	The other brothers are more ruthless, I think.
	He was more a playboy type.
	Oh, OK.
	Right.
	If only they'd all ended up as playboys and just fritted away their money and left us alone, that would have been so much better.
	Yeah, it would have been.
	But they had big ideas.
	OK.
	And am I right in thinking that They sort of brainstormed these areas where they might be able to, that might be used as an excuse for global governance, sort of issues that transcended national borders, so that they could introduce a new era of global supranational regulation.
	And they came up with overpopulation, climate change, Nuclear winter, I think.
	Any others?
	And global health.
	Global health?
	Of course.
	Diseases?
	Health has always been very important.
	We started the Rockefeller Medical Institute in, I think, 1901.
	and so and built up a lot with the League of Nations.
	They were behind this more or less the health division of the League of Nations for the construction of a Rockefeller Foundation and the League of Nations wasn't it was the United States wasn't part of League of Nations but they were still behind this.
	They were all over the world so And what we are talking about now, I think, is the Special Studies Project.
	In the 50s, where we discussed this.
	At that time, we had a leading position in the Council on Foreign Relations.
	Big think tank.
	And you have a sister think tank in London.
	Chatham House.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Were the Rockefellers behind the Council on Foreign Relations?
	Not initially.
	John D. Rockefeller Jr.
	was sponsoring it and so on, but at first it was the Morgans, J.P.
	Morgan.
	That was J.P.
	Morgan Jr.
	and his men and his banking syndicate was very much involved in the beginning of the Council on Foreign Relations.
	From the fifties onwards, it was the Rockefellers.
	David Rockefeller became the chairman of the Council of Foreign Relations.
	And that's when he teamed up with Zbigniew Brzezinski and then recruited Henry Kissinger which led to the WEF.
	Yes, Henry Kissinger.
	I think David and Nelson met Kissinger in a study group at the Council of Foreign Relations and recruited him.
	And because they knew this guy.
	He's smart.
	He can do work for us.
	So he became their henchman.
	He was doing their bidding.
	and was the director of his special studies project and the project was also it was the brothers but you also find a lot of people that were very powerful in United States at the time.
	It was the presidents of Harvard and you find Henry Luce of Time Life magazine and Some place that during the 60s and 70s became very influential in the climate change agenda.
	They were in this project in the 50s.
	Right.
	Do we have the minutes?
	Or have you found any evidence from these meetings, these special studies projects, of what they actually said?
	Or is it all hidden?
	It's a book that was released.
	I have it.
	I bought it.
	It cost me a fortune.
	There I found this with how they talked about climate change.
	I didn't think they said exactly climate change, but they said that oceanography and metrology, these are things that could be used because
	These are scientific problems that spans across borders and we need to cooperate with need internationally and if if somehow the process of the atmosphere gets something something happens and we intrude in this system and this could spiral out of control if we don't control it.
	Right.
	So how coy were they about admitting their true agenda?
	I mean, or how blatant were they?
	I think they are, they expressed it very clear.
	It's not like they hide anything.
	But I also know that some parts of his study They are still a secret.
	It's not for public view.
	And I think it will continue so for...
	some decades.
	So some parts we don't want to have for public release.
	So one can infer from this that all the kind of the expensive regulation that we have today, expensive and constrictive and environmentally destructive, Dates back to the Special Studies group of the 1950s when they decided that global warming or climate change, whatever they called it at the time, was going to be a thing.
	used a huge chunk of their money into buying up all the institutions or creating institutions that could promote this narrative.
	Yes, okay.
	And that's where we are today.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, and we actually started very early.
	It was not like we did this in the 50s.
	We set up, for example, Woods Hole in, I think it could be in the 20s.
	And at the Woods Hole Institute of Oceanography.
	They had a Swedish metallurgist called Carl Gustav Rosby.
	He came to United States from Sweden upon a scholarship from the Guggenheim Foundation and started to work for Rockefeller institutions.
	So it was Woods Hole and it was University of Chicago.
	And he actually built up the institution of meteorology at the University of Chicago.
	And Rosby is one of the most important players in this and what became the carbon dioxide theory.
	And him together with Roger Revelle.
	And Roger Revelle was at the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in California, funded by the Rockefeller Foundation were involved in funding this.
	Yeah.
	And we also find another important player in setting up the climate change agenda, that is Detlef Bronk.
	Detlef Bronk was the head of the National Academy of Sciences.
	But also was a president of first Johns Hopkins University and then the Rockefeller Institute of Medical Research, Rockefeller University as it's called today.
	And he was also a member of the board of Rockefeller Brothers Fund and Rockefeller Foundation.
	So he was the most powerful man concerning research in the United States, and probably in the world at that time.
	And he was a part of this group, and he was a part of the Special Studies Project.
	And already in 1952, Roger Revelle was invited to, with Detlef Brong, to The population, a big conference about population control that were launching the Population Council, a Rockefeller funded organization.
	So already in 52 Roger Vell was there talking about a plan for reducing the population.
	And he then becomes the main proponent of the global warming theory, together with Carl Gustav Rosby and Carl Gustav Rosby's doctoral student, Bert Boleyn.
	You know Bert Boleyn?
	I know Bert Boleyn.
	The first chairman of the IPCC.
	What's interesting here, you lot, you Swedes, And the Canadians have got this problem as well.
	You Swedes have really punched above your weight.
	Because you've got Greta.
	You've got Arrhenius.
	He was a Swede, wasn't he?
	Sort of the godfather of that whole theory.
	Yeah, he was.
	Isn't Greta Thunberg, Greta Thunberg, isn't she descended from Arrhenius?
	There's some kind of collection.
	Yeah, they are related on her father's side.
	So that's very interesting.
	How can that be?
	But it's like some people, they just get chosen to do it.
	Perfect.
	And the interesting thing, if you go, Arrhenius, he was mentoring Carl Gustav Rosby.
	Was he?
	Yeah.
	And Carl Gustav Rosby's doctor student was Bert Boleyn.
	And Bert Boleyn.
	It was Bert Boleyn who called Johan Rockström.
	You know, Johan Rockström, that's behind the planetary boundaries framework.
	That's very, very important today.
	Oh, tell me about that.
	I don't know about that.
	You don't know!
	You have to know about the planetary boundaries.
	Please, tell me.
	So, Johan Rockström.
	Bert Boleyn calls him.
	He gets to be the director of the Stockholm Environment Institute.
	And later the Stockholm Resilience Center.
	And at the Stockholm Resilience Center in 2000, I think it's 2009, they present the Planetary Boundaries Framework.
	And it's together with scientists like Hans-Joakim Schellenhuber at the Potsdam Institute.
	Yeah.
	And this, I mean, this is a framework about how much space do we have as humans on our planet?
	What are the boundaries?
	What can we do?
	And Ron Rockström and his team of scientists, he has decided what our boundaries are.
	And that's where we talk about tipping points as well.
	Don't cross the... We can trigger a tipping point and this will... We will have hothouse earth and all these things.
	So you are also very, very important.
	It's one of the most important place at this time with the climate change agenda, I think.
	And all these people are funded by the Rockefellers?
	Yeah, you find the Rockefeller Foundation involved in a lot of this and also if we go into what the Rockefellers wanted to do as well was that we start funding.
	And then we will get the governments in and the taxpayer money will continue this.
	Because we have other ideas.
	We want to have other fields to explore and control.
	So, in the case of the Stockholm Resilience Center, we also find the Swedish government, because the Swedish government has been very, very involved in this.
	They were in the 50s with Carl Gustav Rosby and Bert Boleyn, they were building this center or this institute at Stockholm University.
	and all the way.
	We have a Stockholm conference in 1972.
	It was in Sweden and Swedish government, they were official hosts of this and we and also they have always and they have worked very much with these American institutes and and the Rockefellers for a long time, very long time.
	But why is why Sweden?
	You know, Hitler, he loved Sweden as well.
	Do you know what?
	Jacob, I've heard this.
	I've heard that people down the rabbit hole have told me that Sweden is one of the most evil places.
	That you've got some really dark families.
	Some of which I'm not even going to name on this podcast.
	You know what I mean.
	there's one begins with a W but yeah and that there's really some really I mean you've got those films haven't you got you You've got movies which indicate this, sort of to do with occult rituals and ritual murder and stuff like that.
	There's some really dark stuff going on in Sweden.
	Yeah, it's not like you see that.
	It's not ABBA, is it?
	No, no.
	But Sweden is just a peace-loving country, you know.
	That's how I was raised in this country.
	Sweden is the best country in the world and we love peace and we loved United Nations and internationalism and we welcome everyone here.
	It was the propaganda all the time.
	But this has changed a lot, especially when they really tell what they're up to.
	The whole image of Sweden has been totally shattered.
	And it was, I think, especially with now NATO.
	Sweden became a part of NATO and it was, and we know, I knew who were behind this, who benefits of his deals.
	Not Sweden?
	Yeah, but one family in Sweden.
	benefits.
	They are part of the network.
	They are a part of these clubs.
	They are members of a trilateral commission.
	They are going to the Bilderberg group every year.
	They are part of the Atlantic Council.
	They are in the club.
	They are educated young global leaders of tomorrow of the World Economic Forum and they own the weapon manufacturing industry in Sweden, Saab, that suddenly got huge contracts.
	Yeah.
	Now when we are part of NATO, so they and their partners in the United States and Britain, they think this is a good idea.
	But this has really, really changed the situation in Sweden, I think, and it's kind of shocking For a lot of people.
	I don't think the young people really understand this.
	But if you grew up like me, I mean, doing my military service in the 1980s, we were the neutral country.
	Yeah, your famous for it.
	We had a huge, I mean, our defense capabilities was really great for such a small country.
	Yeah.
	With Air Force that was at the time one of the fourth largest in the world.
	in a country that didn't have more than 8 million inhabitants.
	It was... That's impressive!
	Yeah, so we could defend ourselves and we had a perfect... and if we were to be attacked we could... we also had the supplies.
	We had... it was... we could survive.
	in a hard situation and then in the 90s we just we sold everything and they shut down almost all our defenses nothing left so who did this sorry Well, with Swedish governments from the 90s, because now the Cold War is over, we don't have an enemy, because we knew that the enemy was always Soviet Union.
	It was not official policy, but...
	We knew that it was that way.
	And we just ended that, and just after that we applied for membership in the European Union.
	And as I was doing a study about the European Union, or the NATO membership, I found out that, OK, when we actually applied at that time, it was like, NATO is the defense of the European Union.
	It was like it was written in the contract.
	But they didn't tell us that.
	They never tell us what's in the deal.
	The only thing we did in Sweden for the public, it was... We were showing... We had filmed our grocery stores.
	and said, now they have a prepared room for for liquor and alcohol and so you can buy it in a grocery store.
	You know, in Sweden we have this Systembolag.
	It's just this, it's just the big state that sells all alcohol.
	It's not, you can't buy alcohol as in other countries anywhere.
	So it's very strict.
	But that was, we tried to, we tricked people.
	That was your bribe.
	If you say yes to this, you might buy liquor in your grocery store.
	But when we were in the union, they didn't.
	The Systembolag is still... Really?
	That's the only place still.
	So that was... They didn't even give you... They told you were going to get free doughnuts for your vaccines and then they didn't even give you the doughnut.
	But now we can go to Germany and buy a lot of beer and how much we want and just bring it back to Sweden.
	Great.
	And some people they think, okay, do whatever you like in your union as long as I can buy beer, sheep.
	It's how they do it.
	It's like SOMA for the masses.
	Yeah.
	I wanted to ask you, because although I was very, very taken with what you've researched about the Rockefeller family and their involvement in the Green movement, at the same time, it would be a mistake, wouldn't it, to imagine that the whole thing was a Rockefeller project and that there weren't many other Hans involved.
	Presumably these are the families you're talking about.
	Morgan, Rothschild presumably, whoever... Gianni Agnelli, for example?
	Yes.
	Who was... he controlled Aurelio Pecce, didn't he?
	Yes, and Nelly, he was funding the Club of Rome in the beginning, and put his... the second guy in Fiat was Aurelio Peccei, and he became... So that's how they operate, isn't it?
	The real players keep their names out of it completely, so that everyone imagines, oh, Klaus Schwab.
	Klaus Schwab is responsible for All this, you will learn nothing and be happy.
	But he's just a kind of promo guy.
	Yeah, he is.
	The people who pull the strings away.
	Yeah, because, I mean, Klaus Schwab, who was mentoring Klaus Schwab?
	It was Henry Kissinger.
	Yeah.
	And it was at Harvard.
	And Harvard at that time you find David Rockefeller on the board of overseers and they were investing hugely in Harvard.
	Harvard is very very important for this agenda.
	And we have these families and Rockefeller is one of them and the thing during the 50s they were more or less the most powerful family at least that were seen We have these, we have the Rothschilds for example, they are very influential but they don't actually, we don't see them that much.
	But the Rockefellers were very involved, they set up a lot of things and you always, and the Rockefeller Foundation, we have these foundations of course that is such influential and it's Rockefeller Foundation was one of them and when we had the Carnegie's The Carnegie Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation, and the Ford Foundation.
	And as it has evolved, we have other foundations.
	And of course we have, like in Britain, we have Wellcome Trust.
	That was very, very important during the pandemic.
	And Yeah, who, what family was that, the Wellcome Trust?
	He was, I think his name was Wellcome, Henry Wellcome could be, and he was originator, what now is GlaxoSmithKline, that was from the Wellcome Trust.
	So, And we have these big foundations and some are very unknown but have a lot of money in them.
	And some players, they are more outspoken and doing things.
	I think David Rockefeller was such a guy.
	He was at, I mean, head at one of the biggest banks of the world.
	and had all these contacts all over the world and and but if you look into the Rockefellers today they don't have that kind of people in the top anymore.
	Is that by design do you think?
	They just want to be behind the scenes?
	No I mean I think I don't think we have such a capable people at this time.
	And I know from other families that sometimes we have the Wallenbergs in Sweden and sometimes they have to have other people doing the actual work because I mean, sometimes it's not the smartest generation that is running things, so they need help.
	And sometimes you have, like David Rockefeller, he was a copy of John D Rockefeller.
	They were alike and very capable, very energetic and had a lot of contacts.
	But now it's like we have a new generation taking over.
	They are just continuing the agenda.
	They are not drivers of agenda.
	And when Henry Kissinger died last year, it was the last one of his, but he was still alive.
	So now they are continuing something that Nobody alive has started.
	They are... I think it's more... I know that they had in the 80s, they had this project, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, and that was for the new generations.
	So it was like David Rockefeller said to his son David Rockefeller Jr.
	and a couple of the others from the so-called cousins.
	Okay, now you're going to continue this and we put the priorities in this project.
	You can come up with some of your ideas, but more or less it was the same agenda as in the Special Studies Project.
	And that is what we're working with now.
	And then we will have probably a new project, a new meeting where we decide upon what are we going to do for the next 50 years or something like that.
	But we don't have these people that people know about.
	We had Jay Rockefeller.
	He was kind of famous.
	He was a senator.
	John J. Rockefeller IV.
	He was a senator, so he actually had some influence and some people know him.
	And when you have this Stephen Rockefeller that was a professor in religion that was behind the drafting of the Earth Charter during the late 90s.
	Was he?
	Yeah.
	That's very interesting story also with the Earth Charter.
	Because it was decided more in the Brundtland Commission talked about this we need to have an Earth Charter.
	World ethics, ethics rules for a new century.
	How are we as people going to treat our planet and and the people around us.
	We need these new ethical rules.
	And we set up this commission.
	And this commission, we find people.
	It was Queen Beatrix and Ruud Lubbers from the Netherlands.
	Ruud Lubbers was the Prime Minister of Beatrix.
	They asked Maurice Strong The Rockefeller Lawyer, that was the head of the Stockholm Conference and also the Rio Conference in 1992.
	And Mikhail Gorbachev, the former Soviet Union leader, to lead this commission.
	But we had the meetings at the Percantico Center outside New York, and that is the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.
	And the coordinator of these meetings was Stephen Rockefeller, the son of Nelson Rockefeller.
	Nelson Rockefeller was the brother that decided that they should convene and have this special studies project from the beginning.
	So you can see that the agenda is furthered by the children.
	So, and he was also the head of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund at the time, and Stephen was the one We had this annual report in 2005 from the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.
	And in that report, they say that now it's not a question.
	It's not worth debating the global warming issue.
	And this is an issue that includes everything.
	Absolutely everything in the world and that is perfect.
	Therein lies our current opportunity.
	It's in this report.
	So they knew.
	And I mean, it's 2005 and we have Al Gore in 2006 and then all this just started.
	So they were okay.
	So one shouldn't discount their importance.
	But do you think that somebody was was pulling the strings at a higher level?
	I mean, who is it that decides these long-term agendas of the predator class?
	Well, they are philanthropists.
	And it's actually- - With very good tax breaks for philanthropy.
	Yeah it is and actually it's one report that came out during a time I was a PhD student.
	I did a study about European biofuels policy and And I found a report that was about transport and how transport would be transformed during the next 50 years.
	And this, it was a document that was handed over to Conny Hedegård.
	She was a commissioner in the European Union at the time about, and I think it was environment.
	And this report was from a project, a philanthropic project, and they had released a report called Design to Win.
	And it was a collective of philanthropists.
	And you can find also connections to the Rockefellers, of course.
	But you find also other families, billionaire families, because it's like a club.
	It's a collective with these families that shape these agendas.
	And in this report, they say that, you know, business.
	They only think about the next report for next.
	What do you say the core every every few months?
	Yeah, you have this economic report.
	And so you always think in that perspective.
	And if you are a politician, you think about the next election.
	That's the time frame.
	But if you're a philanthropist you can think for a century.
	You can plan for a century.
	We can work with this and we have patience and it's like we control business and we control the politicians so like deal with it.
	And they issued this report and gave it to Conny Hedegaard.
	And she says, thank you.
	And now that got more or less implemented as European Commission policy.
	So, and that's what I found out.
	I made this study about European Union.
	Can we see this report?
	I mean, where is it?
	With the names of the signatories?
	Yeah, I can find it.
	It was a A lot of years now since I wrote that, so I don't remember.
	Designed to Win is the report.
	But yeah, Designed to Win.
	I love that.
	Designed to Win.
	They're very good at thinking up these positive, feel-good messages.
	And it's also a chapter in my doctor thesis.
	I named after this report.
	Designed to Win.
	Yeah.
	We're going to take away all your freedoms.
	And it's great, you're gonna love it!
	Yeah, so that's a report they talked about making everything electric, actually.
	Right, okay.
	They were very early on and at that time the European Union just talked about we're going to have palm oil Making biodiesel oven and so on.
	That was on the agenda like in 2007-8.
	But these philanthropists, they already talked about electricity.
	Electrify everything.
	I think philanthropist is the best euphemism I've heard for Satanist.
	Kind of.
	It's not for the love of man.
	It's not philanthropy.
	It's misanthropy.
	Because a lot of, and they have this philosophy, it's this Malthusianism and they really, they don't really like ordinary men.
	And it's like they are in a club and it's not like they are racist in the way that perhaps ordinary people are.
	It's because they talk about the people that are able, the people that are in the know, the people that are smart enough to make from a fortune.
	That's the people, that's the race for them.
	Yeah, yes.
	And the rest is just people you can play with, more or less.
	Do you think, because one of the problems I have when explaining to people who've been brought up to believe the conventional narrative on the world One of the great problems they have understanding all this is they ask, yes, but why would they do this?
	Because they're going to lose money, you know, that they should be promoting free markets and, you know, capitalism.
	It's going to work better if we're all richer.
	But it's not really about money anymore, is it?
	Because these people are able to print money anyway.
	They don't need to make any more money.
	Is it not more about power and control?
	Yes, of course.
	I mean, that's the ultimate aphrodisiac, as Henry Kissinger said.
	It's power.
	And it's the ability to manage people and to make us believe anything.
	To make us believe, to tell us that snow is really black.
	That's what it is.
	And also be able to manipulate our behavior and make us do very, very stupid things and believe stupid things.
	That's power.
	And also managed to make us beg for the changes they want.
	That's one of the things we also take control of opposition.
	Because they know something about history.
	But during the times when we had this king or queen telling people what to do and obey.
	It was not a good thing because eventually people start to revolt.
	So how to do it?
	You have to convince people that they want the same thing as the king.
	I have these handbooks for big business that talks about this.
	How do we influence Ordinary people.
	And also from European Commission.
	They talk about how we know if we say something, certain groups they will not believe this.
	They will just think it's just the European Commission.
	Fuck them!
	So we need to use other groups to influence them.
	And that's why they set up these opposing organizations.
	that say some things fuck off the commission but but we have to do more with climate or something yeah yeah yeah yeah they don't tell us the truth about climate it's much worse you know yeah those evil people that's how it works i've noticed this a lot i noticed it during the the covid nonsense that all these these
	I met loads of people who gave the impression of being part of the resistance and we were all friends for a time and they formed these groups and attracted lots of followers and you'd never heard of them before some of them and just recently they've showed themselves not to be part of the resistance at all but they're actually working for the same system that they purport to oppose.
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	I've noticed a lot of this and I think it was very evident during the pandemic.
	But we also had these people, it was kind of resistance were set up.
	Yeah.
	And we had people that came from out of nowhere.
	And suddenly they became huge and gathered a lot of people.
	And for me in Sweden was what?
	Who are these people?
	And all the media attention was on those.
	And now after the pandemic, after a few years has passed, what are these people doing?
	nothing that has to do with this.
	They are not part of any resistance anymore.
	It was just like they were set up to do this like a project for a time and convince people and also to contaminate the narratives.
	Before we go, Jacob, I've loved talking to you.
	It's been really interesting.
	Have you had any thoughts on the way that weather manipulation technology has been used to create the meteorological disasters that they tell us are caused by climate change?
	Yes, I thought about this because if you go back into the 50s and the research that was done, you find a lot of military research.
	Some of the people involved with setting up more or less the global warming narrative were also very interested in manipulation, whether technology to manipulate.
	So There are possibilities, especially when it's very extreme, that they have used these techniques, because they exist.
	So it could be done.
	You could, and also with Hurricanes and so on that can be helped.
	Wildfires.
	Yeah, wildfires and it's very useful and they know they need this.
	events, they need these triggers and that people will feel that their survival is threatened.
	So it's very important.
	I don't think they can change the climate in that way, but I think they can manipulate I mean, that is literally, isn't it, man-made climate?
	Yeah, it is.
	And if you go back to the Special Studies Project, that is kind of what they are saying.
	But if we could kind of influence the weather in a bad way, that would...
	So they don't say that it's carbon emissions at that time.
	It's like they say, if man would kind of change this, so it leaves room for interpretation.
	Right!
	Yeah, yeah.
	So you agree with me that this technology has been around for some time?
	Yes, I mean it has.
	So we started early with this and in the fifties we talked a lot about this.
	With the secret you can find this quote I have in the book.
	Here's from the Special Studies Project, a quote, if it becomes possible to interfere actively in the big processes with the atmosphere, the results are likely to transcend national boundaries.
	To interfere actively.
	That's extraordinary.
	And I love that the way that this sort of It's sort of non-specific and yet you know exactly what they're talking about.
	Yeah, and if you know the people that were involved in this because we find also people very very connected to the military and the military technologies at that time.
	Do we have any names?
	Any notorious names?
	I think one of the most important during this time in this project was Carol Lewis Wilson.
	And he was connected to the NATO and the Atomic Energy Commission.
	The Atomic Energy Commission is very important in the history of global warming theory as well.
	And it was very connected to military research and the Rockefeller Foundation was involved in this as well.
	And we find Some names.
	I don't remember all names now, but it's very connected to Pentagon.
	What was the purpose of the Atomic Energy Commission in terms of this agenda?
	It was to try to... How can we use atomic energy peacefully?
	And they also wanted to know the effects of atomic bombs.
	What happens if you blow a bomb?
	That's how Roger Vell got interested in this, because they found out that carbon dioxide, it will stay in the atmosphere for a long time, so it's described as a side effect that they thought was, okay, we want to do more research about this, about the climate, and so it was a part of a big study about atomic Atomic energy and an atomic explosion.
	I think Roger Ravel towards the end of his life sort of backtracked on what he sort of, he sort of recanted, didn't he?
	Yes, he wrote, it was an article with Fred Singer.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, so yeah, he said that he couldn't be certain on this theory.
	It's like he felt embarrassed, ashamed of what he'd done, maybe.
	Probably.
	It was like, in the end, you don't want to die and know that you have lied all your life.
	So it was like he wanted to clear himself and say that, okay, we don't actually know that much.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Jacob, it's been fantastic talking to you.
	I really like that.
	And tell us where we can find your stuff.
	And also, don't forget to mention where we can get your albums.
	And yeah, tell us all about it.
	Information about me, I have a homepage jacobnordangard.se and at that page you can find information about my music and links to my books and articles.
	I also have a sub stack.
	Dr. Jacob Nordengård.
	Sub stack.
	I must follow you.
	Yeah.
	So I try to... It happens a lot of things.
	You would write a book and as soon as it's published it comes so much new information.
	So now I'm writing a lot about the United Nations agenda and the summit of the future what comes up next this month.
	And of course my books, this Rockefeller book, it can be can be purchased from the enemy, like Amazon.
	It's out on Skyhorse.
	And I also have another book coming out in October and I think it will be out in December here in Europe.
	It's called The Global Coup D'Etat.
	The fourth industrial revolution and the great reset and that's covering the pandemic because when I have written the Rockefeller book that covers all story until the pandemic breaks out.
	I had to to write this next book about everything because I knew at that time when the pandemic was declared it was okay this is the trigger because I have done all these studies before so it was just okay who are behind this and was very easy to find so so I wrote this book so that's out in in October and then I have written another one the digital world brain that's about the United Nations agenda that's
	started, we started a political process in 2020 to change the global governance system to better respond on a global crisis like COVID and climate change.
	So, and very few people actually know about this thing.
	Well, it sounds to me like we should do another podcast at some stage.
	Yeah, it's been great talking to you and it feels like we have a lot more to discuss.
	It sounds like it to me.
	Well, rock on!
	As I know you heavy metal people say.
	My records as well.
	It's possible to purchase from me if you go into Bandcamp page for example and you can find these at my homepage.
	They're not evil are they?
	They won't turn me to the dark side?
	The records.
	No, no, no, no.
	That's good to hear.
	Well, Jacob, thank you.
	It only remains for me to thank my lovely viewers and listeners for your support.
	I really do like all the people who watch my stuff and appreciate it.
	And if you want to show your appreciation and get early access, don't forget to sign up to my substack or my locals.
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	And keep watching and thank you very much.
	Thank you again, Jacob.

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