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Good Food Project

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Welcome to The Dellingpole with me James Dellingpole.
And I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest.
But before we meet her, let's have a quick ad.
And this ad I think is going to be for the thing that Jane is part of, the Good Food Project.
I want to talk about the Good Food Project.
You know how incredibly annoying it is when you get your organic vegetable box delivery, naming no names, and you get a leaflet telling you that they're trying to save the planet from global warming, or they're fully behind this rally that Chris Packham is attending.
It really annoys me.
I like getting nice vegetables produced by local farmers and cutting out the middleman.
I don't want the eco-fascist lecture.
One of the many things I like about the Good Food Project is that it's run by people just like us.
They share the same values.
They want to support local farmers.
They want to cut out the middleman, the supermarkets, with their rapacious demands that make it almost impossible for farmers to make a living.
And not to mention the supermarket's increasingly woke values.
They want to source the best grass-fed beef and so on.
So the Good Food Project was set up during the pandemic nonsense.
You're going to find out more when you listen to my podcast with one of the co-founders, Jane.
It's set up during the pandemic by people like us who wanted to make a difference and it's going really well.
They don't just do meat and veg but they also do things like clothes washing stuff that is not produced by the evil big companies like Unilever, which is produced, which has got much less nasty stuff in it.
So that's worth a look as well.
Anyway, have a look at their website.
It's an online delivery.
It's like an online grocer for people like us.
And you'll find it at goodfoodproject.co.uk.
Goodfoodproject.co.uk.
Jane, welcome.
Welcome at last!
I've been feeling really guilty because you, The Good Food Project, very kindly sponsored my Mike Yeadon event.
And I think it's really important.
If people support me, I want to give them support back.
And I think that everything I've heard about the Good Food Project is really great.
So you're going to tell me more about it.
But first of all, tell me, how did you enjoy the Eden thing?
I absolutely loved it.
I was actually, I felt very privileged to be asked to support not only you, but you interviewing my Eden, my two kind of top The people that I follow, James, I have to say you have been this lone voice speaking out in the darkness.
I am a massive supporter of your podcast and I have to say it was interesting because the day that Ben got in touch with me asking if I'd be interested in sponsoring your event, I had been listening to your interview with Ahmed Malik.
So that must have been back, oh, April, May time.
So just to explain, our business is in Perth, based in Perth, and I live in Edinburgh.
So I have a kind of 45 minute car journey every day there and back.
And so I choose my podcasts very carefully because I need to either Prepare myself for the day or decompress for the day.
And, you know, you have got an incredible list of interviewees.
So I've been listening to Ahmed Malik, which was really one of my favourite interviews, actually.
And at the end, he was saying, oh, you must support James, buy him a coffee and all this.
And I thought, oh, my goodness, I have been listening to James for the best part of three, four years.
And I haven't even paid him for this!
I get slightly embarrassed and I am not worthy.
Because I do hear, it's really kind what you say.
And I do get this from lots of people at my events.
They say lovely things like, when I was feeling all alone during the Covid nonsense and you made me realise that I wasn't insane.
And stuff like this, or I've helped people out.
And I'm so grateful to have been given this role.
Opportunity.
Opportunity, yeah.
Or you've made that opportunity, really, from the chaos.
Or possibly even God helped me.
Yes, yes.
Because it's weird what you say about, so Ben, people don't necessarily know about Ben, but Ben organises my live events.
And Ben is a very keen Christian and has obviously got a hotline to God because previously he was one of my favourite all-time podcasts.
I don't know whether you've ever listened to them.
The ones I did with Jonathan Myles-Lee.
No.
Oh, you've got to check them out.
They're really, they're really, really good.
Okay.
So, and everyone else watching this should listen to the Jonathan Myles-Lee podcast.
So, Jonathan Myles-Lee was at school with me.
He was in my house.
He was in Dick's year, not my year.
And he was a, I think he was a day boy and you didn't really sort of know day boys that well because they didn't, they weren't part of the boarding house.
They didn't mix, did they, the borders and the people?
Well, it was just that, you know, they hadn't gone through the bullying process and the kind of, all the ups and downs.
And Jonathan was Well, let's face it, he was fantastically weird in that Jonathan had special powers.
He was attuned to the kind of what you might call the demonic Well, he had sort of visions, he could... you can imagine what it's like when you're a boy and you've got this gift, but it's also a curse because you can't tell anybody about it.
I've had other friends who've got this problem, variations on this theme, and the moment they tell an adult, I've got this thing.
The adult tries to get them sectioned, or at least to get them to see a psychiatrist, but there are people out there who have this gift.
It's a gift, but it's a burden.
It must be a burden, because how do you stop that from appearing?
Exactly.
Jonathan died a few years ago of cancer, and I think he must have known that he was and decided that one of his missions was to renew contact with Dick and myself.
So we went to have tea, I think, with Jonathan in his elegant apartment in, what's that, Crescent in Bath, the...
The Royal Crescent in Bath.
Fantastic views.
And Jonathan, since school, since Morvan, had carved out a career for himself as a brilliant painter.
And he was taken under the wing of Francis Bacon for a while.
And Francis Bacon helped him nurture his talent.
And he ended up doing, I mean I don't want to spoil the podcast for you but it's such a great story, he ended up reviving a tradition which had I think gone out in the 18th century of doing paintings of people's gardens or their estates but sort of laying them out like maps so that you sort of looked at them I can't really describe it.
I'm not very good at that kind of thing.
But anyway, he found a lot of wealthy patrons...
The kind of people who have the kind of houses that would want portraits done of their gardens and their houses.
OK.
And then he had a stint in Hollywood and he did Oprah Winfrey's garden.
OK.
And he saw stuff.
He saw stuff over there.
I was going to ask.
Did he see?
He met people.
Who, who, who enabled him to see the world as it really is.
He went way down the rabbit hole.
I think it was, I remember he told me that one major Hollywood director, I think it was James Cameron, you know, I mean, I tend to think, well, all these people must be baddies.
Yeah.
But James Cameron told him I will never let my children go anywhere near Hollywood.
Anywhere near that.
Because the people they meet are just... I won't let them go to parties.
Because they're all basically Satanists.
and so so Jonathan was a really important stepping stone on my journey down the rabbit hole and I I'm eternally grateful, and also towards God actually, I'm eternally grateful to him.
Anyway, Ben was a fan of Jonathan and wanted to work with him, you know, wanted to sort of be his assistant.
And so Ben prayed, I think, and then somehow it came about that That's what I was thinking about, about the marvellous synchronicity, if you like, of Ben calling you at the very moment when you were thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah, I should… I know, I was literally going to set up a direct debit for you for every month and then that morning Ben messaged me.
I thought, right, that's it, I've been called and I've been allowed to, I don't know, what's to repent my sin?
Well, that's really good.
The Mike Eden thing.
There's been a lot of fallout because of that bit where Mike dissed Ivermectin.
I know.
And I'll tell you what I found weird about this.
People have been saying, don't you think that it's bad that Mike is dissing Ivor Mektin?
Doesn't that mean that he must have been got at?
Because after all, Ivor Mektin is our best defence against blah, blah, and how can he say this stuff?
And I've been thinking, no, go Mike, number one.
Mike is a free agent.
He hasn't gone and set up an institute like the Institute for Alternative Health, which has been pushing a particular narrative.
He's an individual and he can say what he likes.
And he's lost so much in terms of his reputation and everything, so no one's going to put themselves through that for I mean, I've had people on the podcast that I've since regretted realising that they're just stooges of one kind or another.
Right.
That is inevitable.
You're gonna get... It's all part of the journey, I think, you know.
It's called keeping an open mind, which people who think like us have.
So we've got to open our mind, have the conversation, and then have a mind to think, yeah, I made a mistake, admit it, and then move on from there.
I think that's just all part of our journey.
Oh, totally.
The very least we owe in gratitude to our newfound understanding of the world is to accept the possibility that on any given issue we might be wrong.
We can't just engage in the kind of normie behaviour which says, well I think that's perfectly ridiculous and I don't believe it's true because I don't, because I'm a rational person.
What kind of bollocks response is that to anything?
It's what normies do.
Yeah, and then we're just behaving like them.
Behaving, you know, like them and that we make fun of.
So yeah, keeping an open mind is how we change things, really, because it means we're open to having our minds changed.
And that's how change is.
That's how it happens, isn't it?
Well, I think so.
Yeah, yeah.
Tell me about I mean, one of the great things, I think you'll agree, about being like us, being cursed with this new understanding of the world, one of the blessings is all the wonderful people that we've met who've become the best friends we never knew we had.
How did it happen for you?
What was your kind of red-pilling moment?
Awakening journey.
So I was kind of...
I wasn't awake at all before the, what was it, the 20th of March, whatever that April day in 2020 was, and we were all closed down.
So I was just carrying on my life as normal.
I was disillusioned with the whole press by then because I was a Brexiteer, you know, and in Scotland that was, that was a, Oh gosh, that was a charge worse than any other crime.
So I was disillusioned with the press by then anyway.
But I was working, I was out enjoying life.
My children, they were just finishing school there.
My daughter was in her last year at school, so it was all kind of end of school activities.
And my son was just going through his year equivalent of the GCA O-levels.
So anyway, Life was busy.
And then I kept hearing my friends saying, oh, what about this virus?
And I was just like, God, if we're going to close down the country for a cold, that would be ridiculous.
So, you know, I just wasn't taking it seriously.
And then on the Tuesday, it closed.
In fact, on the Tuesday before, I was out with a friend for a long, long, long lunch.
And it was a really stormy day and he was going on about, oh, how terrible it was and everyone was dying and da-da-da.
I was just like, oh, shut up.
But it was a really stormy day and it was a long, long lunch.
So it went on into the night.
And I just think, gosh, looking back, I think, gosh, that was like my last night or day of normal-dom.
Because on the Tuesday, all my friends completely locked themselves down.
All of them.
And completely just towed the party line.
Didn't want to see, you know, I just thought, well, I'll just be business as usual.
We'll just go in and out of each other's houses.
I had two friends, I still have two friends who haven't been down the rabbit hole like me, but they didn't get vaccinated and wear a mask and we did catch up.
And I was just totally alone.
So I was, my It was me and my two children, and they were just being teenagers, not really kind of getting involved in things.
So I thought, gosh, I'm really going to have to find out what's going on here.
So a friend of mine were on a WhatsApp, my school friends were on this WhatsApp group, and she sent a link to the group.
And it was basically a kind of summary of what was ahead of us, you know, going down this, just peering in the rabbit hole.
And I thought, none of my other friends, none of my friends on the group, In fact, she took the link down because she was embarrassed.
She thought, oh, my God, what have I done?
That's absolute top notch conspiracy theory.
But no, I went diving down that rabbit hole and I, well, I'm still down there, obviously, but I was just my life was just completely turned upside down.
And I thought, oh, my God, what have I not been?
What have I been blind to?
So, yeah, it was a bit of a it's not a pleasant experience, really.
learning all that.
No, it's not.
And what you've accepted as normal or not seen the dark side of things like Hollywood, the music industry, the politicians to an extent, you did always think they were a bit dodgy, but you know, they not Not that level.
So yeah, for a few months I did.
I didn't lose a few friends, but a lot of people did distance themselves from me and my family just thought I'd joined a cult and gone absolutely mad.
Yeah, they do.
So, yeah, and then, you know, I joined some Facebook groups and thought, OK, I'm not alone and found, you know, doctors to listen to.
And I thought, yeah, I'm definitely on the right track here.
So, yeah, we just, I just grew, I just joined all these groups and just realised that, and that was therapy at that time as well, realising that you're not on your own.
So yeah, and so really that was a couple of years and I was working, I worked for myself anyway, and I was not really working much at that time.
I just took some time out to reassess what I wanted to do with my life.
I was in the property game.
That's probably not a good business to be in right now.
No, no.
I was looking to get out anyway, so.
So yeah, so then my neighbour, who I used to take out for a walk every day because he wasn't in a great place, just he had stuff going on.
So I said, right, we're going to go out for a walk every day.
And that's what we did.
And we got chatting and I was talking about all this conspiracy theory thing.
And he was just saying, oh, I'll need to introduce you to my friend.
He talks just like you.
And It was Steve Pollard, my business partner.
So he was quite heavily involved in the protests.
I hate the word protest movement, but he was quite involved in that and arranged a couple of rallies up here.
So, yeah, we got in touch and we just started chatting and He had a Facebook group called the Scottish People's Forum.
And that was just basically a Facebook group just for people like us wanting to share information.
So I kind of joined that on the admin side of things.
And then he was wanting to set up a directory of Awaken businesses.
So he said, oh, why don't you Come and join me and see how, if you like it, we could work together.
So we did that.
So that was May 21.
Where are we now?
Yeah, May 21.
And that was Good Therapy.
So that sort of started me on my journey of meeting lots of really interesting people and, you know, inviting businesses who were joining us.
So basically businesses that We're not going to enforce any of the mandates and just joining people looking for businesses to support that thought like them.
Did you find any?
Yeah, we had about 2000 businesses on the pages.
Interestingly, the main was holistic therapists and all that related health thing was really interesting.
So, yeah, And then, so we did that for a year and then we saw the food, the attack on the food supply coming down the line.
It was all being, it's been being telegraphed for, for years.
So, yeah, and the Awaken pages, it was a lot of work for zero, zero money.
And, you know, we've all got bills to pay and things.
So we just thought, oh, why don't we just take the Plunge and see how it goes.
So we found this unit here in Perth and so that was May 22.
Yeah, May 22.
And that's us.
So you're going to, I mean, you're going to be supporting local farmers.
We do.
Yes.
So we have.
So basically what we've done is we've created We've created an online supermarket shop.
That was kind of the aim.
Supporting local farmers where we can.
So our meat we get from Hugh Grierson who is local.
He's about 20 minutes from here and he rears all his own animals.
So cattle, sheep, lambs, pigs and And he has them butchered and slaughtered and then he butchers them on his farm.
And he's got an amazing reputation.
He's super to deal with.
Such a lovely man.
Farmers are.
They're lovely people.
Farmers generally, aren't they?
Just salt of the earth.
Yeah, I've also come to the conclusion that it's one of the very few, profession is the wrong word, what am I looking for?
Very few trades.
Yeah.
That has integrity in a way, but not that, I mean, you know, factory farming just doesn't have integrity, but what I mean is, If you look at the world with our eyes, you realize that we are living in the beast system and almost every job going.
I mean, anything with sustainability in the title or diversity or anything to do with environmentalism, pretty much the entire financial sector, for example, and not to mention the medical industry.
They're all basically promoting evil.
They are.
That's what they're doing.
They're not actually, so the medics aren't, certainly the pharmaceutical people aren't healing.
No.
The financial industry isn't creating value.
And you look around, look at the world and say, which of the jobs out there is actually adding to the sum total of human happiness and genuinely doing something that without it we would suffer but with it our lives are improved.
Yeah.
And I'm not looking at bankers and thinking fractional reserve banking is really helping us by inflating our financial system.
No, that's not really doing it for me.
No.
And I'm not looking at environmentalism which is about destroying the planet with wind turbines.
Yeah.
Yeah.
had the experience of in Scotland particularly.
But farmers, we do need farmers and they're one of the trades that existed in the biblical era.
I think, you know, fishermen, yep.
Farmers, yep.
They're real jobs, but there aren't many real jobs out there.
No, no.
Farmers, a farmer is the ultimate skill, I think.
To know how to care for the land and make it produce the food that we need to to live.
I mean, that's the ultimate skill, really.
Particularly when you've got the complications of the weather, especially when it's not real weather, when it's man-made by people.
Although farmers are not really massively aware of that.
Are you finding?
Totally.
It's really disappointing.
I mean, I've been trying to red pill one of the tenant farmers on the land where I live, not my land.
And I give him updates from Crazy World on what's really going on.
I say, look at those cameras.
He'll love you.
And he sort of says, oh, OK.
He doesn't go, you lunatic.
But then that's because he's appointed me his deputy shepherd.
My job is to go, in lambing season, in fact all year round, I go around looking for ewes that are cast and writing them.
I rescue lambs who've got their heads trapped in fences.
I once rescued, my proudest moment was when I was on my morning run.
And I heard this pitiful bleating.
It was just like, I thought, is it coming from the woods?
And I was looking around and couldn't think where it was.
It was obviously a lamb in distress.
And I looked at my feet and there below me was a badger set.
And the lamb was trapped in the hole and all that was poking out was the curve of his back.
And I reached down into the hole and I faked him out and he scampered off and I was so so happy because I knew that given any longer what would happen to that lamb he would have had his face eaten off by a badger.
Yeah.
Badgers are pretty bloody evil.
I mean they're not.
They're not.
Pretty brutal.
They may look stripy and nice but they're not.
They've got very sharp teeth and they take a lamb easy.
And I thought, how wonderful that I was here to be able to rescue that lamb from just the most hideous death.
So now it can have a happy death instead of ending up in somebody's place.
But anyway, that's my sheep farming story.
Yeah, that's a nice, that's a feel-good story, that one.
It is, it is.
And all the kind of biblical connotations about the lamb and, you know.
And lamb is good to eat as well.
Yeah.
I do like a bit of lamb because it's fatty.
So my father was a farmer.
He was a pig farmer.
Yeah.
Back in the day.
So when I was very young, me and my brother, he lost all the pigs when I was about five to foot and mouth disease.
So that was 75.
So he had 2,000.
He had to kill them all.
Anyway, before then, every spring my brother and I used to get a lamb each to look after.
And we used to play with it, feed it, sleep with it, you know, just, they were our family.
And then anyway, so that was what happened.
And then fast forward probably, I think I was maybe about 10 or something, and my mum was in the kitchen.
I remember asking her, Mum, You know how we used to get those lambs?
Whatever happened to them?
And she said, well, Jane, remember that freezer full of meat we used to get every winter?
I was like, yeah.
She said, well, that was then.
So ever since then, and I used to love lamb, ever since then, I just like, I physically... Your mum's ruined it for you.
She's ruined it!
My daughter loves lamb, so I mean I don't not cook it, but I just, I can't enjoy it anymore.
This is probably a bit of a harsh analogy, but you know that when they were training up, Actually, this could be apocryphal, but I've heard this, that when they were training up the SS, they would give each of them a puppy and they would look after the puppy and rear it and become their friend.
And then there would come a point where they got given the order to shoot the pup, shoot the dog, to test their ability to obey orders.
I don't know whether that's true or not.
So that's you.
I'm basically saying you're S.S.
In fact, you've got Lessel's S.S.
in your... Oh gosh, I'm scarred for life.
So that's very naughty of me.
So you can eat other meat.
I'll tell you what I've been doing a lot more of since I went down the rabbit hole.
Eating a lot more fat.
I used to cut off the bits of fat at the end of my steak.
Yeah.
But that's the most important bit, isn't it?
I know, I know.
Yeah, all full fat, everything.
There is no, none of that half fat.
I mean, I was never really half fat, but yeah, full fat, absolutely everything.
And yeah, I'm definitely eating more meat.
It just tastes, I mean, you do taste the difference between organic and non-organic.
You kind of I used to think, gosh, there's not really anything in that.
But when you taste good meat that's organic, you really do notice the difference.
So I am enjoying it.
And the chicken as well.
When you fry or cook the chicken, it doesn't disintegrate into a tiny little tenpence piece and there's no water in it.
You don't actually need to eat as much of it.
It's nutrient dense and it's more filling on smaller portions, so... Yeah, I don't know how we... Can you answer me a question?
You know how you'll always get sort of carnivore types saying, yes, and it must be grass-fed meat, grass-fed beef, and I eat grass-fed yadda yadda yadda.
Am I right in thinking that that This distinction between grass-fed and whatever else-fed only really exists in places like America.
In the UK, all our beef is grass-fed, isn't it?
Yeah.
Some are fed through their life and then they're finished with grains.
Are they?
I don't know why.
Yeah, I should ask my farmer that question.
I don't know why they do that.
Our farmers, they're pasture for life.
But then you think, well, if they're being rained on and, you know, the grass in the fields... In a shower with aluminium and stuff.
You know, how kind of unpolluted are the pastures nowadays?
I did meet a lovely farmer.
I was at a party, a kind of gathering, was it last year, down in Yorkshire in this big old grand house.
And I met a farmer there.
She's absolutely lovely.
She'd lived in the area all her life.
And she has cattle and sheep on ancient pastures, and she will not use any fertilizer at all.
She uses lime.
She sprays the fields with lime.
Her animals are outside all year round, and she moves them up to the hills in the summer months, brings them back down in the winter.
She doesn't even worm them.
doesn't give foot baths to them, nothing, no vaccinations, because there is a common misconception that organic meat are totally unvaccinated, but that's not actually the case.
They are allowed to vaccinate or kind of encouraged to vaccinate against certain diseases.
Oh, of course they are, because that's how they, the enemy, They corrupt everything, so even organic.
How can we make it not organic?
I know.
I know.
We'll change the rules.
Well, this lady, she's got no pharmaceutical products at all, and she's got a friend who's local.
Butcher, and owns an abattoir.
She says, I've got it all sewn up, Jane.
So I said, what are you going to do when they actually say, no, you can't?
She said, oh, I'll just, I'm going into the private.
And if anyone comes to the gate, my husband is ex-army and we will just take care of them as we need to.
So she says, so she's planning to go into the private so that she can't be forced to.
What do you mean, go into the private?
What does that mean?
Go into the private, you know, so her business will go into, will not be covered by any legislation.
The government can't kind of pursue them for, or invoke, well, they can't confiscate their animals and they can't make them vaccinate.
And if she goes into the private, she'll just have a private customer list.
And she will only serve, you know, sell to them and just come out the system completely.
So she's not governed by any of the laws or legislation.
I didn't realise that such options even existed.
Yeah, I know some people in business who are going down that route.
Yeah, it's the same kind of thing as I think.
I've looked at it loosely.
It's the same kind of thing, I think, as putting all your property into a trust.
You know, it just comes out of the system that can't be touched.
You see, this is the thing, I, as you know, because you've been listening to my podcast, I tend to, the thing that really interests me, so which is why I go there, is the crazy stuff, you know, like I've just, just before this, You're going to love this one.
I did a podcast on elite gender inversion.
Do you know about that?
The gender thing?
Oh no, it's way above that.
It's not just the gender thing.
This one is next level.
Okay.
I'll just give you a taster.
Yeah, please do.
because I love you and you're obviously a loyal fan.
Basically, many of the people, for example, the actresses, many of the women in the public eye that we think are women, we've been told women, are in fact men. we've been told women, are in fact men. - Okay.
Like Taylor Swift.
Taylor Swift.
Yeah.
I'm glad you're on that one.
And obviously Michelle.
Michelle Obama is a man.
And even that, her book, Becoming Michelle, it's just so That's so obvious!
They like to... I mean, you'll notice this.
They like to tell us what they're doing to mock us.
Yeah, yeah.
They do.
So here's the thing.
Michelle Obama is but the tip of the iceberg.
It's not just Michelle Obama.
It's every presidential wife ever, since the beginning, since George Washington.
Really?
You have listened to the podcast.
Most people can't cope with that because it's a big enough leap to imagine that the lovely... Like Barbara Bush, the adored... Barbara Bush, duh.
I mean, that one.
But people who've been ravished... What about millennia then?
Not... Really?
Yeah.
Apparently.
Apparently not.
There are various things I've noticed that people... You can tell how far advanced people are in there.
Their studies of rabbit holology.
Because there's normally a line in the sand beyond which people will not go.
So for some people it's the Beatles.
Now I refuse to believe that the Beatles were just like talentless and the creators of the Tavistock Institute.
And for some people it's Flat Earth.
I suspect that this one will be one of them.
Elite Gender Inversion.
They just won't want to go there because it's...
I mean, apart from anything else, no one wants to think that they've been had on this epic scale.
I know.
I know.
On an industrial level, I mean, every facet, every area of our life is just being corrupted and lied about.
Everything.
Everything.
And I think that you're never really there.
Until you realize that it is everything.
Yeah.
It's not as though the people who are prepared to rain down aluminium particles on you to poison you and give you Alzheimer's and stuff.
It's not like they're going to go, yeah, well, we'll do that, but there are some things we'd never do because we're not that evil.
So we'd never pretend that presidential wives, we'd never get men and dress them up as women and tell you that, you know, that would be just like, that would be too crazy even for us.
No, they would do everything that, you know, or the, of course the, The Satanic Child Ritual, which is a big thing in Scotland.
Why is Scotland so evil?
It's so dark.
It really is.
It's so dark.
Do you feel it?
Yeah.
I mean, Edinburgh's got so much history there, hasn't it?
That's where I've lived all my life.
It's just... But even, not just the satanic stuff, but just everything just on the level of the history of the building of the likes of Edinburgh with that whole Tartarian story where the buildings weren't actually just built in the late 1800s, they were built centuries ago.
I haven't gone down that, I resisted the Tartarian rabbit hole, but you think it's real?
It's, yeah, so all our cities that we thought were just All these great fires that have happened in every important city across the world has basically been erasing history.
And they were all around the 1800s, 1850s.
Which is when Tartaria was wiped off the map, because it was kind of on the Russian side of the world.
If you look at old maps, there is actually Tartaria written on it.
And there is a strait of Tartaria, a waterway.
I mean, we know that there was a place known as Tartary, because it was the old name for, the old sort of Western European name for that mysterious part of Russia.
And there's that poem, If I were Lord of Tartary, Myself and Me Alone, etc.
Yeah.
Gold my throne or something like that.
So I'm not discounting that Tartaria is a concept or Tartary is a concept.
It's just that I haven't yet made it.
It's one of my defects as a kind of bunny.
You're too busy hosting wonderful podcasts with your great list of interviewees.
There's an endless supply of side tunnels.
Oh, it's amazing.
Isn't it great?
I mean, that is the one thing.
I mean, you touched earlier on the fact that this period of our lives, people that think like us.
It has been the silver lining of the burden that we carry knowing what we're living in and no one else is aware of it.
Is there a number of people or the different people that we've met That we would never have met otherwise, you know, cross paths with so many lovely people.
And they do have a different vibe about them, I think, awake people.
Oh, they do?
What is it?
They're just, you know, they're more positive, which you would think they would be, we would all be more angry because we are constantly attacked, you know, by the media and our friends and society at large for our views, just for having a view.
And so that is the silver lining.
And also just that the learning of all these amazing stories.
I mean, even if they do just turn out to be stories and not actually true, they've been amazing stories.
Haven't they just?
Yeah.
Beats any Hollywood movie, you know.
I tell you what, it's been really weird for me because I had a really good education, what you might call an elite education.
I had the education That all the really bad people in the world had, you know?
Yeah.
You mixed with them all.
You were friends with them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I didn't know any of this was going on.
Are you still friends with them?
No, I couldn't talk to them now.
I'll tell you the analogy I sometimes use.
It's like you've got this chap that you really love, He's a great bloke and he's really intelligent and he's funny and you know you just totally bond with him and agree with everything.
And he comes to stay and one day you're woken up in the night and you hear these funny noises and you go down to investigate and you find he's having sex with your dog.
And no matter how much you try to smooth over the friendship, you're never going to get over the fact that this guy has had sex with your dog.
You can't unsee anything.
This is how I feel about these people.
We have so much in common, so much about our history, our past, our shared interests.
We were like brothers.
By the way, Dick hasn't ever slept with my dogs.
The reason I can't speak to them now is because I feel embarrassed for them.
I feel embarrassed for them because they've done something they never should have done.
I think that when you have the privilege of being born, Into this incredible world that God has made for us, with all these things around you, and all these lovely people, and you've got the family unit which is precious, and literature, and nature, and stuff.
You have, the very least you have a duty to do is to preserve and protect that beauty and those good things.
And if instead your response when faced with the most evil forces imaginable, if your response to those evil forces is, yeah, well, I'm going to try and find an accommodation with them.
I'm not going to fight them.
I'm not going to, I'm just going to go along to get along.
No, you have, That's it for me.
You failed the test.
Look, the rest of us, some of us have passed the test and that's good.
And we're not special.
We don't deserve special rewards.
It's not like... We've just done the natural, obvious thing.
And you haven't done the natural.
You've done the unnatural, cowardly, horrible, squalid thing.
Yeah.
So how can I ever speak to these people again?
How can I...
I know.
That's how I feel.
You know, I used to, you kind of go through all the emotions of how you feel about these people.
You know, I used to be angry and then sad and then, you know, not caring.
But ultimately, you know, OK, they think differently and they're not Their minds aren't wired to look at events in the way that we have, but you can't feel sorry for them.
I kind of don't feel sorry for them now because ultimately they are the reason that we, you know, they can live in their dystopia, but by their inaction or inability to embrace what we see and to challenge it and to act on it, They're dragging us and our children and our loved ones into their dystopia with them.
So you kind of do lose some respect.
Yes.
And it has been ever thus, unfortunately.
Yeah.
There was a book, a classic book of I think the 1950s, written by a Pole, whose name I can't pronounce because he's Polish.
It's called The Captive Mind.
And this chap was growing up in pre-communist Poland.
And he was an intellectual, so he moved in kind of artistic circles.
So a bit like the kind of circles I used to move in.
And when the communists came in, he was astonished to find that instead of being like him and going, this is just, this is awful, we've got to, we've got to, you know, we can't, we can't go along with this.
All the friends started finding positions in the new system.
They accommodated themselves to it.
And you see that certainly in Soviet Russia as well.
Yeah.
Very few people... Well, I mean, it was virtually impossible to resist in Stalin's terror.
You just got off.
But it's... I mean, this is what the Bible... This is what the New Testament tells us, isn't it?
What the Gospels tell us.
It's what Jesus warns us about.
That straight as the gate, very few people are going to be up to the... The fight.
Up to... You're doing the right thing.
Yeah, yeah.
Agreed.
Yeah.
I suppose some people think they've got too much to lose, you know.
Yeah, like what they haven't and we haven't.
Well, I know.
I know, I know.
Yeah, I'm trying to find excuses for them, but yeah, feeling miserable.
I think they're just cowardice.
Yeah, it's a poor show.
It is.
It's really frustrating.
And, you know, and telegraphing that with, you know, with all this monkey pox, it's just going to start all over again.
And the people are just going to roll over again.
Well, having announced that they won't, you know, no more jabs, they said.
I won't.
Fool me once and fool me twice.
Yeah.
They will.
And that's despite, I mean, the news.
It is now making mainstream news, the effects of these injections.
Well, they've obviously decided that we are allowed.
It's this kind of delayed virus, isn't it?
They drip feed this inflammation.
Yeah.
But it's so, you know, we've got a chap, he services our fridges and freezers locally and When he was here last time, a few months ago, he was, he was, you know, small chat, small talk.
And how are you?
Busy, busy?
He says, oh, yes, Jane, we're very busy.
I said, oh, what are you busy?
How are things so busy?
He said, the undertakers are needing more chiller units.
So I said, oh, really?
Knowing full well why they were needing more chiller units.
I said, oh, do they say why, what the reason is?
And he said, oh, yes, yes.
I said, and what is it?
He said the vaccines.
So I said, they're saying that to you?
And he said, he said, yeah, yeah, they're all saying it's down to the vaccine.
I said, wow, what do you think?
He said, I think, I think they could be, I think they're telling the truth.
And he went on to say that he'd had a, he'd had a heart attack shortly after having the vaccine.
And so Yeah.
And actually, my dentist was saying the hygienist in the dental practice had a heart attack.
She was in her 50s, had a heart attack recently, taken to hospital, died on the table, but came back.
And the doctors were actually telling her that the reason for them is the vaccines.
And this is in Edinburgh.
They are being inundated with 20 year old Boys, 20, boys in their 20s, but they're suppressing that.
With myocarditis presumably.
They're being inundated.
Never seen so many boys in their 20s coming through.
So there's only so long they can keep that suppressed.
You know, a girl I've met through all this in one of my groups, she's from Romania and she came over here to Edinburgh to work.
She's an organ transplant surgeon.
So she was working here as that when the whole thing happened.
And she said, Jane, from the very beginning, because us and the pathologists and the The Undertakers.
We're kind of the first line of people who see trends.
And she said, from the beginning, I saw what was coming through.
It was without any doubt that we were in trouble.
And she was voicing her concerns to her colleagues on a local level, on a national level and on an international level.
And they all closed their ears, didn't want to know.
And she said, I had to resign.
I couldn't I couldn't work in that environment knowing what they were doing to our lovely people.
And so she had to resign and she's gone back to Romania and she's looking at starting up some and kind of moving more into the holistic side of things.
So but yeah, just the more people You come across in that, especially the medical field, I mean they're the people that should be saying, like Mike Yeadon, they are the people that should be standing up.
You'd think, wouldn't you?
You'd really think.
But they're just going along and they'll go along with the next vaccine, they'll go along and they'll just do what they're told because Well, that's the other thing, you know, they're all in debt now.
They've got mortgages, school fees, lifestyles, holidays.
And, you know, if they've seen what's happened to the likes of any doctor that's voiced their concerns, they've been de-platformed and lost their job and their license is taken away.
So... And I suppose... So my wife was in hospital recently and
I'm in a really good teaching hospital and the vibe I was getting was that a lot of these people are so immersed in their specialities and they've been so thoroughly brainwashed that vaccines are the greatest ever advance in medical science.
That they've never had time to question it.
So the nurses will probably have been aware of the increase in various conditions and so on.
But nurses, they're too busy things like inserting Catheters and cannulas because they can do it better than the doctors can.
Yeah.
And cleaning up shit and checking.
I know.
So part of me thinks, well, you can't blame them, but there is a level on which you look at these people and you think... Yeah.
GPs, for example.
GP surgeries.
Which got paid a premium for administering these.
They have access to patient records.
They must know.
They must know.
Agreed.
Yeah, agreed.
Yeah.
So they're just all part of the problem.
And as I say, they will, whatever is coming down the line the next few months, It'll just be on repeat.
I was going to ask you, because I'm quite interested in Scotland, because I think you've had a foretaste of what is going to come to the rest of Britain.
I mean, you've been living in pretty much a communist, fascist state for quite a long time.
Oh gosh, yeah.
How is it living under fascism?
It has gone to the dogs, it really has.
The SNP, you know, that kind of whole debate about the separation from the United Kingdom, that was so divisive.
But I just think that was all by design as well.
Nicola Sturgeon was installed as, you know, the mouthpiece for, she was very good, very, very good orator.
And that was just all part of this divide and conquer thing.
I don't believe, you know, we had the referendum on independence and it was 50-50, just like the Brexit one, surprise, surprise.
Yeah, I just, I don't believe that the figures were that.
Anyone you spoke to, they weren't up for independence.
I mean, there were pockets.
That's interesting.
I don't think, I would say it was probably nearer 70, 60-70.
No, like against independence.
The same, I think, with Brexit.
I think a lot more people were for Brexit than ever that was acknowledged in the polls.
Yeah, but that was just a farce, that whole thing afterwards and what went on in the Parliament.
I mean, it was just a pantomime, but it was just a part of it.
Yes, but are you now where, are you where I am now on Brexit, which is that the whole thing was a complete lie, a complete waste of time, it was just another Yeah, yeah.
We're totally ensconced in Europe.
It was just, well, it was just another Divide and Conquer topic.
And that's the other thing with the SNP.
They didn't want to be with Westminster, but they wanted to be with Europe.
You know, because they wanted independence.
Well, they're not going to get any independence from Europe.
It makes no sense, because it's meant to make no sense, because these people aren't real anyway.
They're actors, as Mary Hedge keeps saying.
They're not real.
The ideas, they're working to a script.
They are.
And yeah, they're basically just helping with the whole Well, I call it a racket, that kind of merry-go-round that we can't get off, you know, they legislate for, well, not free speech, they wipe free speech off all media and the social media platforms and they invoke legislation for our health.
And for our education, for the banking system, for the food supply, it's just a merry-go-round.
And they are the people that operate, you know, make it happen.
I try not to pay much attention to anything that goes on in the realm of politics because I know it's all pantomime.
Occasionally you glance at a headline and you see Keir Starmer, who apparently is our new Prime Minister, saying that he wants to ban smoking in outdoor places because smoking kills X number of X thousand people a year.
And I'm thinking, hang on a second, you were the guy!
Who enthusiastically pushed the death jab, which, by design, was killing people, many more people than you claim are killed by smoking.
And you must know, because you're a member of the Trilateral Commission, so you're privy to all this information, you know about the spraying that happens from the skies, you know about chemtrails and stuff, you know about fluoride in the water supply, you know that on every level, You and people like you are participating in the poisoning of the people you represent.
And here you are telling us that, yeah, I'm going to stop people smoking in gardens because we want to protect their health.
Right.
It's just absurd.
I know.
But really, it's just another way.
Well, and one of the other ways to stop people gathering, isn't it?
You know, if people go to the pub so they can't sit out inside, they're accepted that, but they can now sit outside and smoke and have a drink.
Well, not if he gets his way.
So that's just another way of getting people to stop gathering and having conversations and possibly finding out what we think.
I think that is the main thing, and I think there was also another thing that nicotine, I think, undoes some of the effects of both EMF and the vaccine poisoning.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard, yeah, I've heard that.
Yeah, yeah.
But then they do also want to decimate that industry as well.
The hospitality industry, that's... Totally.
Like every other industry, they want to, so... I know, what...
If you were looking into the future and thinking what jobs... Well, I mean, so how is your... Is your business going okay?
Are you getting customers and stuff?
Yes, we are thriving.
Yeah, I didn't think it was going to be this... Joan, you've made me so happy.
I felt worried asking the question because I was thinking, what if she's going to say, well, it's not gone so well.
What is going on?
We are kind of victims of our own success a bit.
We, yeah, I think people do not, they're sick of the supermarkets and they realise that the control that they have over the food supply, because they're connected with the corporations, the Nestle's and the Coca-Cola and the Johnson's who own all those, well, food companies and buying up farmland.
Gates is buying up farmland.
rate of knots and so that he can install solar panels.
I don't know.
I think that's his next thing, isn't it?
So, yeah, I think it's not just an awakened person's concern.
I mean, normies don't like, they don't really like shopping in supermarkets.
They want Although they're very convenient.
They get that it would be nice to have your baker and your fishmonger and the like.
People like doing that.
I mean, the farmers markets, you know, the rise in those.
There's a lot of support together with support for the farmers.
That No Farmers No Food campaign's got quite a lot of support.
People want their farms.
Although I don't trust Melville, James Melville.
He's dodgy as.
Yeah, he started it.
Because he lives in this area, he lives in Fife, so whenever he's up this way, we've got a little Scottish little group up here that, in fact, that we met at this party that we were down in last year in Yorkshire.
So we've got a little offshoot and we catch up.
Whenever he's up this way from Cornwall, we have a little lunch.
I thought he was personally very charming.
I would sup with it.
I'd sup with a long screen.
I mean, the thing is, it's unfair for me to say this because, you know, he's your friend and stuff.
You saw this during Covid, the resistance got infiltrated and all these people you'd never heard of before suddenly rose to the, you know, and I never wanted to join any of these groups, any of these campaign groups, I just think it's not that, you know, I'll be your agent.
There's a lot of talk and not a great deal of action, which in fairness is a lot to do with the apathy of the public at large, you know, we're You know, the intention of that group was to give a voice to the farmers and try and be the kind of the go between the legislators and the farmers.
I mean, we all know the legislators don't care at all.
And I think it was more a kind of an awareness.
Well, it is more of an awareness campaign just to give the farmers a voice.
But farmers are so damn busy just Trying to stay alive.
Trying to get the tractors into the field when you had such... Deluged with rain.
Yeah.
And also on the sad note, you know, in Wales they've been with the whole badger TB debacle and having their herds slaughtered for no reason.
They can make up these.
I don't believe A lot of these things.
I mean, I suspect your dad's pigs were slaughtered for no reason.
Yeah.
The foot and mouth thing was a test to see.
Yeah.
It's all about controlling the food production supplies and finding future excuses to be able to shut it down.
Which, I mean, it was amazing what happened in foot and mouth.
I know.
Areas of the country were rendered no-go zones.
I know.
And like you, I think that was a test to gauge public opinion, to see what mistakes they were making at that time so that they would know how to do it better the next time, as Bill Gates talked about, I'm sure, in one interview.
We'll get them next time.
And that Ferguson chap's involvement in modelling the outbreak.
But that whole avian bird flu thing, I mean, that's the next thing, isn't it?
Well, it's not the next thing, it's kind of current as well.
I mean, they're attacking the birds now.
And, you know, they're getting households to register their chickens.
And that's only so because these sheds with thousands of chickens in them, if something happens, they've got to have, I think it's like a 10 mile exclusion zone or 20 mile exclusion zone.
But then how do they, if they do that, then how can they blame the, you know, how can they get outbreaks to other areas?
Oh, yes, that's what we'll do.
We'll blame this Mr and Mrs Jones who had five chickens in their backyard, that's how the pathogen, they were two miles from the sheds, that's how it spread.
And so that, I think that's the reason that they're getting everyone to register.
Yes, I'm sure.
So is it now illegal in Scotland not to register?
I think so.
I think a friend of mine has got chickens and she said, she was telling me just the other week, yeah, I've got to, I've got to register them.
I said, well, just don't.
Yes.
Just don't.
Well, this is the thing.
And she's awake.
Oh, is she?
Yeah, she's awake.
And I said, well, just don't.
I've got to.
That needs closer examination because we know that a lot of the directives given during Covid, a lot of the things that they supposedly could fine you for, were actually illegitimate.
They had no standing in any court and that's why people had their fines rescinded and stuff.
Because they never had the right to fine them in the first place.
And I wonder what the exact case is.
If you didn't report your chickens, And also, what about other birds?
What about crows and green woodpeckers?
Exactly.
Do they not spread flu?
No, it's only chickens.
Red kites.
I tell you what, I think red kites should be culled.
Because they were reintroduced and they've become a real pest.
I'm sure that they're responsible for the decline of the songbird population.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, it's a constant attack.
But the good thing is that we're all aware of it.
And so we can prepare ourselves.
We'll try and prepare.
Well, I suppose Scotland, on the downside, you've got, you are a fascist state already.
But on the upside, you've got quite a lot of still rural people.
What percentage would you say are awake?
Farmers aren't known for their being a wakeness, really, I'm finding.
They're really not.
And the thing is, they're so, you know, most farmers are very asset rich, but cash poor.
And so, and, you know, that whole subsidy thing that they've been dragged into, by the government.
Some of these big farmers are getting hundreds of thousands of pounds a year in subsidies.
That's how they get you.
And they're all subject, these payments are subject to complying with certain conditions which are generally not in the best interests of our health or the environment.
So they have to do what they're told to continue getting this money.
They don't want to know, or they maybe know, but they're not going to do anything about it if it means they're going to lose two or three hundred thousand pounds in subsidies.
It's that old saying, it's hard to make a man understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
Yeah.
I mean, you and I know that the realm of politics, it's run by... Oh, you remember that party you went to last night?
And that 12-year-old, 11-year-old girl you met.
Well, we happen to have got photographs.
You remember that amazing drug you tried that made you feel rejuvenated?
Yeah.
Well, that was adrenochrome.
But with farmers, it's just, well, here's a nice million pound subsidy.
You wouldn't want to be losing your subsidy now, would you?
Exactly.
It's just it's far too comfortable.
You know, you don't want to be bothering your head with all those conspiracy theories and losing your money and having to, you know, survive.
But I think, you know, if if we could give them an alternative, because, you know, the farmers with the supermarkets and the like, they are being absolutely annihilated on price.
And, you know, the credit terms that they have to stick to there.
I don't think they enjoy having to supply the supermarkets.
And I think if there was a viable alternative that they could just jump to where they could charge the actual price and not have to rely on the subsidies, I think most of them would embrace that or at least be open to exploring that.
They're not going to say, no, I'm not going to supply the supermarkets anymore.
OK, I've got a million pounds.
I'm geared up and in machinery to a million pounds.
I'll just supply the little farm shop down the road and that will keep me going.
You know, it's not going to work.
There has to be a network of farm shops that they can logistically supply on that same industrial scale.
So I think that's the ultimate alternative, but that's a lot of work.
You know, the supermarkets and it's taken decades for them to get this control.
It's not going to happen overnight.
So I don't really know what the answer is.
What percentage of your business would you say is from awake people?
In our customers?
Yeah.
I'm pretty much all of them.
Oh, really?
Right, OK.
But that, I mean, say the awake population is even 5% and you think that what's the population of the UK?
I mean, it's 70 million, 80 million?
It's hard to know with mass immigration.
But OK, so that's...
Four million social customers?
Sorry, in Scotland?
Well, no, I mean in the UK.
Oh, of awake people?
You've got maybe four million people.
That's quite a big market.
Yeah, yeah.
Our customer base is mostly Awake because we launched ourselves from the Awaken Pages kind of audience and we've got kind of working relationships with a lot of people with large followings in that kind of area.
So we're a part of a lot of Awaken groups and so we've built ourselves By word of mouth, basically.
So we launched ourselves on AwakenPage through AwakenPages because we had about 40 or 50,000 following us on that on our Facebook group there.
And then the groups that they're in, they share what we're doing.
So that's the main reason why most of our customer base are awake.
We've got a few.
I did get a customer The other week I'd sent out a mail shot about our meat boxes.
So I've got a burger box, a chicken box, a steak box.
So I emailed about this and I got a ridiculous email saying, don't send me this or I won't buy from you again.
What?
I know.
So I said, you know, I said, I'm an advocate, free speech and freedom of choice.
And I You know, this is, I believe, our customers have the same point of view.
And, you know, I can't cater for all of my customers' lifestyle choices.
And he came back in this time of climate change and the effect that... He didn't say that.
He did.
And I just thought, do I actually want you as a guest?
No, no.
I sometimes get that with, I mean, With the people who support me.
If somebody gives me a hard time, I think, you know what?
I don't want your money.
You can listen to my stuff for free anyway.
It's not like... I only want support from people who kind of are with the programme.
Yeah.
You know, if we're going to go through massive food shortages and we only have a finite supply, I don't want to be giving my last bag of porridge to someone who...
Sorry, no.
I'm giving it to someone who thinks identically to me.
I think everyone watching this would rather their money went to you, to people who are on the side, than to A, Amazon, or B, whichever people now own Tesco and all the others.
I mean, I like the, I like the, I like the, all the nice assistants in, the partners in Wake Tres, for example.
Yes.
I look at Wake Tres management and I think, you're a bunch of tossers.
I know.
You're all tossers.
You should listen to the conversations in here every day.
All our staff, so we only employ awake people.
So it's just a conspiracy.
You know, and Steve and I walk in and we're like, oh God, this is amazing.
I discovered my new hairdresser, Paul.
He came to my, he came to the Eden event and I'd been having this problem, you know, I'd been going to my, there's dozens of hairdressers where I live, not to mention those horrible, alleged Turkish barbers that are never because they're basically full of the people who are going to kill us one day.
That's their front operation.
But, you know, you're sitting having your hair cut.
It's going to be a minimum of 15 minutes and that's 15 minutes of time to fill.
You don't want to be sitting next to somebody that you can't talk to about anything.
No.
Whereas with Paul I can sit there very happily talking about crazy conspiracy.
It's just so uplifting, you just come out, you just do a little happy dance when you meet someone who you didn't think, you think, oh no they'll be asleep.
And then they say something and you're like...
Do you think like me?
And then you just do a little happy dance, don't you?
It's very uplifting.
I think, Jane, it's a bit like it must have been to be gay in the sort of the pre-Wolfenden era, where there were these little kind of, you know, you'd speak in this coded language.
And the joy, it must have been much more fun being gay in those days.
It's boring now if you're not gay.
Everyone's gay now.
I wish I was.
Yeah, quite.
It's why I always like throwing myself open to ridicule or whatever, but I will effectively make a pass at everyone that I possibly can.
So I will always be dropping in these little lines in the hope that, you know, like sort of casting dry flies in the hope that one of them will take.
And it makes your day.
You're absolutely right.
It really does.
You know, if I've met someone and I come home and my daughter will say, why are you in such a good mood?
I say, you'll never guess what, so and so, they're actually awake.
And she was like, oh my God, you're such a freak.
She's awake, but she doesn't like talking about it.
She's just in party mode.
She's 21.
She's just all about having fun.
So, you know, whenever our friends come over, she always says, Mum, I don't want you talking any of your shit in front of my friends.
Yeah, I get it.
I think that generation were really under attack.
Yeah, both my children had their university education ruined by Covid.
Well, I hate to use the word Covid, it wasn't Covid.
It was.
By the fake pandemic, you know.
Yeah.
Just horrible.
My daughter, so she's studied psychology.
She wants to be a junior school teacher, like for age five.
So she's always wanted to do that.
So she went to study psychology thinking she'd learn all about child brains, development and all the rest of it.
No.
So she was in lockdown for the first year, so she didn't have any online, any in-face classes.
Her second year, her first tutorial was the subject was the psychology of anti-vaxxers and anti-lockdowners.
To teach five-year-olds.
But so this was her studying psychology, so this was all about… And so she was just like, she's saying, oh, it's good to see everyone's wearing a mask.
And then she was just like hiding under the So she actually she asked to transfer because he was very intimidating but you know what the conclusion of that tutorial was that we all have a God complex.
That was the conclusion of that debate.
And I suppose in some ways we do have a God complex, in that we know that we're all made in God's image, and that we have this immune system, which God made.
And so yeah, we probably do, by their lights.
But they see it as an insult, but we actually see it as a Compliment.
It's very odd, isn't it, how many of us have turned to Christianity?
Meredith, where were you before?
Did you have faith before?
On what?
Christianity, I'm assuming.
I am a Christian.
I'm not a practicing one, but I do believe in all of that.
You're practicing if you think about it.
Yeah, I live that way.
I don't go to church, I don't study the Bible, but he's definitely more around, like everywhere.
More and more people are talking about him, even amongst the people that are my friends who aren't awake.
They are more just, well, they do believe.
So people who wouldn't have believed it before or kind of made fun of it all don't now.
Don't.
So I do think there is a gentle, I don't know what the word is, bringing him back into our And to our world, he's been excised by the forces of darkness over a period of, well, certainly since the so-called enlightenment, which was actually an endarkenment.
I think that was a complete wrong turn, intellectual wrong turn, where science and rather scientism replaced the truth.
But it's an important time for all that.
And it's just part of this new world that... I just can't believe we're going into dystopia.
I just... I can't believe that we're going to end up there.
None of us can.
None of us...
chose it, although there are some who say we did choose it, that we were like old souls and we were sent here to, you know, we're kind of the A-team and we were sent on a particular mission and that's why we recognize one another and I don't know.
But I wouldn't call yourself a non-practicing Christian.
I'd say what I would say in your case is that you're not a church-goer, but that's not the same thing.
Okay.
And on the Bible thing, I don't want to proselytise, but I would say, given that you're down the rabbit hole, I think that Christianity is the most interesting of all the rabbit holes.
And if you're not reading the Bible and stuff, you're kind of doing yourself a disservice because you're missing out on this really, really interesting stuff.
Yeah, well, I was listening to your conversation with Alistair the other, was it yesterday?
I listened to it in the car on the way up.
He's reading it cover to cover or something for the first time, I think he said in that conversation.
Yeah, yeah.
He thinks it's 1600 pages, which it's not.
Yeah.
No, it's 6000, I think he said.
I thought maybe I should just take it off the bookshelf and start just going through it.
My advice is not to read it from beginning to end, because there were some really boring bits.
And also, if you're going to do the Old Testament, Read some New Testament as well, because the New Testament's kind of, well, it's got all the stories in it.
It's the ones you learnt at school, maybe, if you got taught scripture, you know, all the stories, the water into wine, and it's got Jesus, who's always a crowd puller.
The Old Testament is very hit and miss.
When it hits, it's really good.
Like, I mean, Joseph, there's no better story.
It's just fantastic.
Yeah.
But then there are some really boring lists of names and numbers, literally numbers in the case of numbers, and that's a bit dull.
But then when you start reading about that, then you start reading about other stuff, like the translations, and why some translations are better than others.
Well, there's the St.
James Bible, isn't there?
There's the King James Bible.
King James.
Lots of Americans swear by, as well as English people, and it's probably got the most poetic language because it dates from an era where Scholars were also versed in literature.
They weren't just translators, they were more than that.
People were educated to a much higher pitch, the educated people anyway.
So they came up with a translation which was sonorous and majestic and beautiful and memorable and suitable for declaiming.
Just right.
But I've only learned this recently.
The text from which they translated was corrupt.
So they took it from the Masoretic texts, which date from a long way after Christ.
I mean, you know, they date from the first millennium AD.
We're quite late in the first millennium.
But it wasn't the original Hebrew.
The original Hebrew for the Old Testament, which, I mean, the New Testament is written in Greek, but the Old Testament was written in Hebrew.
But the original Hebrew text no longer exists.
The closest we've got to the original Hebrew text is the Septuagint, which was a translation into Greek by 70 scholars who were commissioned to do it, and they did a very, very good job of it.
So, if you want the truest, the closest to the Old Testament, the most authentic, accurate, you want translations that rely on the Septuagint.
I mean, it's a bit like Elite Gender Inversion, it's a bit like The Beatles' Paul is Dead.
It's another great conspiracy theory story.
Yeah.
It's really interesting.
It is.
Can I say, I'm so, so happy that your business is going well.
Yes.
Yes, we are too.
And we're riding the wave of the Barbara O'Neill thing as well.
So she's helped a lot.
So Barbara, I think, is a model for us all, both in terms of her... Because you've interviewed her recently.
I loved her.
She's great.
She's a lovely lady, isn't she?
Just old school, humble, She doesn't really want, well she does want to do it, but not with any great fuss.
Yeah.
She's lovely.
I like her a lot.
So, one question.
Are there Good Food Projects in other countries?
No, just here.
Because I was doing a search and I just googled the Good Food Project and there is one in Australia called the Good Food Project.
Doing a similar thing.
Oh, I'll have a look at that.
I didn't, I didn't know.
It seems very good.
I mean, it'd be great.
I'd love it.
No, it seems like a good thing.
It doesn't, it doesn't seem like this is a kind of dodgy case.
Yeah, no, I'm, I'm, I'd get in touch and ask, you know, give them some top tips.
Not that, you know, learn from all our mistakes.
But yeah, it's an important thing.
I think the food, the food thing is an important, system to challenge or, you know, just create another system out of that for us all.
What do you find sells best?
Is it the meat or is it the veg boxes or what?
Well, so we've got all our pantry stuff, we've got our cleaning and personal care products, And that's all part of the supermarket.
People are doing a regular supermarket shop with us.
So they're buying their full weekly or fortnightly shop of what they do.
And they don't just buy in one can of something.
We sell them in bulk so they can buy a tray of 12 cans of chopped tomatoes or a case of six kilo bags of porridge oats.
And like for like, the comparison, we in our main staples like porridge oats, red lentils, chopped tomatoes, we are the same if not cheaper than the supermarkets for organic.
So we're very competitive, but the main category is the health and well-being, which is all the castor oils and the supplements and the Stock Clive de Carl's supplements and Yeah, castor oil.
All this detox stuff on the back.
So that's the main area of growth that we're experiencing.
And I'm expanding the book department too, because we believe that there is a necessity to have a library, a resource of books in our homes.
I'm so glad you said that.
Can you make it your business?
to work out what the best book on herbal remedies is.
Yes.
Because there's this stuff all around us and we don't know how to use it.
Yeah.
I've got a couple on my list actually.
I've got about 100 books which I've shortlisted so I've kind of signed up with a couple of distributors and I Buy my books from there.
So that's the next category that I'm going to concentrate on.
I haven't put any thought into clothes washing stuff.
You know, I mean, we use, at the moment in this household, we use Persil, which I'm sure is full of toxic shite.
Have you managed to pin down stuff which washes clothes well that doesn't poison you?
Yeah, we've got a lovely business.
They're based in Yorkshire called Minimal.
It's a husband and wife team and they do, they call it chemical friendly because there are chemicals which are good for you, but free of all the nasties.
So they've got laundry and cleaning products and also shampoos and body wash and personal care products.
And they fly out the door and you can buy them in five litre cans.
and also in the small litre bottles and then you can create your own refillery at home so you're not going backwards and forwards to the supermarket having to stock up on your toilet cleaner or your washing up liquid.
So they're our main ones.
We've got a few others as well.
Eco Egg and we've got the Toothpaste Kingfisher Fluoride Free.
I like the toothpaste.
So yeah, so we've got and soaps and everything.
So yeah, we've got a full range of all those personal care products too, and cleaning.
So it's the best description is a one stop supermarket shop, so they don't need to go anywhere else.
Okay.
Well, I've really enjoyed talking to you.
It hasn't felt like an ad, which I didn't want it to sound like.
Not at all.
But that's what I love about your conversations, is that they're just... I feel like you're my friend.
We're just having a catch up.
You are my friend, even though we've never met.
We met briefly.
Briefly, but you were super busy with all your schmoozing and yeah.
I wasn't even schmoozing.
It's sort of more I'm in another zone because I've got this... even though I don't prepare for my...
Talks.
At the same time, part of my head is going, my brain, even though I can't, I don't want it to do it, it's going, yeah, you realise that all these people have come and paid just to come and see this evening.
And you better not be shit.
It was a really good, it was a really good event.
And that, the ivermectin thing was a, was a, was a bit of a bomb.
But.
We needed a bomb.
Everyone likes a bomb.
Yeah, and it was good.
The only bummer I thought, it was sad, that afterwards everyone trooped off to this pub that we'd sort of organised to, you know, make space for us.
And it turned out to be a no-cash pub, which is rather embarrassing for an awake event.
Your heart sinks when you see that.
You're just like, oh.
Gosh, yeah.
Jane, where can people find your produce?
So our website is www.goodfoodproject.co.uk and that is where you will find everything you will need for your household shop.
And also we've got our Barbara event.
We've got tickets on that batch.
I'm thinking this is going to be aired after that event now.
Yeah.
So yeah, that's where you'll find us.
We're also on Facebook, The Devil We Dance With, and we've got Telegram, Instagram and TikTok.
And it's true that Blackrock currently has no shares in your business.
It is very true and they never will.
In fact, that's a condition.
Any of the brands that we stock are not to even have a 1% association with any corporation.
So because I find out that Puckatee is owned in part by Nestle or one of those.
So I had to take that off.
That's very, that's very principled.
Yeah.
The same with green and black chocolate.
Green and black chocolate, that's also part owned.
So no sign of any evil corporation.
Which is, it's really hard because so many people say, well we had to do it because otherwise we wouldn't get our stuff stocked and we had to get this whatever certificate of It's a bit like protection money, isn't it?
It's a bit like the mob saying, you want to do business?
Well, here, just sign up for our, what is it?
You know, loving forest leaf bollocks scheme, or rainbow, the rainbow stamp, or have a picture of a teddy bear with one eye.
Yes.
Oh God, that's another rabbit hole, all that charity thing.
That's a whole new show.
It's a whole new show.
Well, again, thank you for coming on.
Thank you for inviting me and thank you for that.
Yeah, inviting us to your event.
It was the beginning of a wonderful relationship, James.
It is.
Thank you, Jane.
And I hope you go from strength to strength.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Great.
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