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June 18, 2024 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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Claire Rae Randall
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It was, in the intermission, yeah.
And, um... I can't say it was my favourite live event that I've done so far.
I can understand why it might not have been.
I'm just trying to get my levels.
Is my level alright with you, James?
I'm just trying to adjust it.
No, I can barely hear you, but that could just be... It may mean that it records okay at your end.
It's not... Hang on.
I'm going to do my levels as well, actually, because I think I'm booming a bit.
Good to get this stuff out of the way at the beginning.
Yes.
Output... I never remember if it's output or input.
No, that seems to be alright.
It's sounding alright.
Both yours and mine.
I've just tweaked both at my end and it's sounding alright at my end anyway.
That's all I can say after a little bit of tweak around.
This is always a problem isn't it?
Levels at both ends.
It's also very annoying for people listening.
I really hate listening to podcasts where there are technical glitches and people just don't talk through them.
I just want them to talk through them.
I don't want to know about them.
Anyway, Clare, tell me briefly about yourself.
Because I think you're a jolly interesting podcast guest.
Well, thank you very much, James.
Well, I was born ostensibly a boy and I always felt I should be a girl and I knew that this was not the way it should be and I struggled with it throughout my early life.
I could never get rid of this thought and I had an attempt at Reassignment transition in my, when I was at university, but I couldn't cope with it.
I simply wasn't ready for it.
It was too much of a social, was dreadful social outrage in the 1970s.
So I went off and I, at the time I was studying philosophy and psychology.
So after I got my degree, I went and became an art therapist.
I trained and qualified as an art therapist.
And the main purpose about doing this was to, well, basically cure myself, because I felt so terribly guilty about it, and there was nothing I could do about it.
So I thought, well, I need to have some deep therapy, and I used to do some deep therapy on myself.
I was a psychologist and a philosopher, and so I did.
And then after that, And also I prayed a lot and it didn't make any difference.
A couple of years after that was over and my life was kind of falling apart as I was trying to maintain an identity, my former identity.
And then I just decided I had to go and give it at least to give it a try.
I knew from my encounter in the 1970s, I knew what was involved.
And so I went ahead and I was surprised that I made a reasonably okay transition, I guess.
At least I was able to go and I went and worked as a psychiatric nurse for a little while after that and also taught psychology in further education college and no one called me out.
No one gave me any abuse and that was fine.
So that's the life I've had anyway in the last, you know, 25.
Well, that was over 35, 36, late between 40 and 35 years ago that all happened.
And then more recently, obviously, this whole kind of craziness has happened because when I went through my medical gender transition at Leeds Clinic in the 1980s, there was a very this whole kind of craziness has happened because when I went through my medical Okay.
There was only three people went through treatment in my year and
Nowadays, well, you're presumably aware, a lot of your viewers and subscribers will be aware of the Tavistock Gender Identity Development Service scandal and the more recent, well, I call it the Warpath, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, which the head of, I knew back in 1974,
Professor Stephen Whittle.
He wasn't a professor in those days.
He's almost exactly the same age as me.
Unfortunately, he took the... he became a legal scholar at Manchester and unfortunately he took it off into the... in the 90s when the legal position was being reviewed.
He went and pushed for this Transgender model, which is different from transsexual.
I'll explain that later if you like James.
And anyway, so it was about 15 years ago when I started seeing transgender people who had, who basically in the 1970s, they would have been called transvestites.
So, but in the 1990s, the word transvestite was kind of considered a little bit, you know, A bit passe.
So transgender sounds a lot nicer, doesn't it?
And so that started in the 1990s.
There were several kind of assaults on it.
The main one that most people will be aware of is Judith Butler.
Have you heard of Judith Butler?
No?
Well... Yeah, I have.
Yes, I've heard of her.
Yeah, she's the principal, well you could say philosophical advocate of transgenderism because she's basically responsible for deconstructing the notion of gender and sex as have existed in the past.
So she's the one.
There are also various other less well-known figures arguing for transgenderism, deconstruction of sex and gender.
Now, for myself, my position on this is that if you've had a lifelong problem with it, such as I did, and you're willing to go through the extreme triage, vetting and medical process that I did, which took me nearly four years, then I think people
Deserve to be respected but I'm Not at all in favor of this Queer theory and gender theory which basically says anybody can be anything and indeed not only can anybody be anything just on a whim and you can decide it at any time in your life, but I That these kind of ideas should be taught to children.
Now, I didn't need to be taught anything about this.
I couldn't help thinking about it.
From my earliest day, I couldn't help thinking about it, and no one ever introduced me to these ideas.
Now, what's happening today, obviously, is that children are being introduced to it, they're being taught to question their gender identity at the age of three or four.
I mean, it's preposterous.
So, that's why I... We'll pause you there.
I was just going to say, tell the wife that I'm...
I'm upstairs, I'm doing a podcast.
Hello?
No.
Yes I have.
Right.
Sorry, Claire, to interrupt you on this. - Just, I have to avoid being in trouble with the wife because we were expecting an engineer to come round and I was, you know, it was being checked that I had been in the house when...
There's loads of stuff to unpack there.
Absolutely.
Tons, tons.
As you say in academia.
And I'm glad, for a start, that you've kind of reassured me.
Because I'm old enough to remember a time when, just as you say, there was this extremely rare category of people called transsexuals.
And transsexuals were, I mean, they were rare as hen's teeth, and one knew about people like...
Jan Morris.
Yes.
He used to be an historian called James Morris.
Yes.
Historian of Venice and things and then Distinguished Historian.
Then he became Jan Morris and he was known because he was an anomaly and one knew about the very first gender reassigned people, sorry not transsexuals, who went to a clinic in, was it somewhere in Scandinavia?
Well there was Scandinavia and then later on there was Casablanca.
But yeah, I mean this was very, it was very limited, very small number of places.
When was this?
When was the earliest?
Well, there was some kind of experimental techniques done in the 1920s under Dr Magnus Hirschfeld and there was the famous case of Lilielb who was the first medically reassigned transsexual, whose male name was Einar Wegener or something like that, I think.
Unfortunately, the medical reassignment techniques were a bit clumsy in those days.
Can you imagine being being the first person to have?
I mean the pretty scary pretty scary.
Anyway, it was after the after the Second World War that Christine Jorgensen was the first kind of public transsexual.
She was the one who went to Denmark.
Yeah.
Hmm.
And so that kind of, obviously, when that hit the news in the early 50s, there were people who said, oh my God, that's exactly how I felt and I want to find out about it.
So that kind of started it.
But it was still, in those days, there was obviously tremendous social resistance to it.
And so, but it kind of gradually, then Dr. Georges Barou set up a clinic in Casablanca, and that's where John Morris went in about 1971 or 72, I think it was.
But it was still a very, very small field.
Really in those days and they started a gender clinic in the British National Health Service in the late 60s.
So this was around about the same time as this book came out, which is a landmark and you'll find that most people and you see that.
Can you see that?
There we go.
That was published in 1966 and I'm fortunate enough to have a copy of it but you'll find that that was a medical review basically of the history of it and how people were assessed because obviously To me, one of the most important things about this is how people are assessed and triaged.
Back in those days, people used to be rejected because they were just thought not to be suitable for whatever reason, but gradually It kind of got a little bit of traction, but unfortunately there were things like the April Ashley affair.
She got married to a chap by the name of Corbett in the late 60s.
You've probably heard of April Ashley?
She was a transsexual who, I think she was one of the early patients with Dr. Bureau in Casablanca in the early 60s.
Unfortunately, The judge found against her because the Corbett, her husband, had decided that he was quite a fickle chap and he kind of exploited her to some extent and anyway he
Got the marriage annulled basically because he said she's not a proper woman it's all been a mistake and even though he knew fully about her situation and I think he was probably one of these what we call chasers these days you know people who want to have got a bit of a thrill for something that's a little bit
Outside of the you know conventional box, but anyway, so since that case about 1969 1970 Corbett versus Corbett We were not legally recognized in our desired sex or gender until the The Gender Recognition Act in 2004.
Now, this was a very controversial thing all round, because there were a lot of people who said transsexuals shouldn't be able to get gender recognition.
They're all their original birth sex, and there's nothing they can do about it.
But, unfortunately, the Gender Recognition Act of 2004 was, well, it was a bit of mission creep, basically.
Now, you probably know of David Lammy?
And David Lammy, yeah, David Lammy is responsible for basically what we've got now, largely.
He's so thick.
Yeah.
He's epically stupid.
Yeah.
Despite apparently having a Cambridge degree.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, he...
Now up till 2004 there had been, I can't remember the number, I think it was 17 gender recognition acts throughout the world, mostly European, New Zealand, Australia, places like that.
So now the British government was by some ruling of the, I think it was the Human Rights Court, that People should be allowed to change their legal recognition gender.
Now, the main purpose for this was privacy, so that people wouldn't be forced to disclose their medical history for things like driving licenses, job applications, so forth.
Anyway, up until that point, all the Gender Recognition Acts throughout the world had required people to have medical treatment.
Right.
Medical gender reassignment treatments such as I had in the 80s, right?
Yes.
Now, what David Lammy managed to institute was he said this is a landmark because We will be allowing people who have had no medical treatment, merely a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, to be recognized in the acquired gender as it's referred to.
I'm okay with that.
Oh great.
Yeah, so anyway, obviously Well, obviously there are a lot of people who thought this was just pushing it a little bit too far, because up to that point there was, I believe, that there is a reasonable amount of sympathy for people who have gone through the full process and re-assimilated into society in their acquired, desired gender.
But the whole point of this is to be able to blend in and disappear.
And that the Gender Recognition Act is merely a legal smoothing over to provide privacy for people like me.
Now, obviously, I'm not being very private about it now.
But the reason I'm not being very private about it now is because over the last 20 years, and this is exactly what all my transsexual post-operative friends said back in 2000.
I was on a primitive social media group at the time, and we all said, if you're going to allow people who have not had completed medical treatment to have gender recognition, and this mostly applies to male to female transsexuals, obviously, for obvious reasons, then we are going to get all sorts of people just claiming
That, and people, so exactly what we have now, with non-reassigned transgenders claiming to be transsexuals entering sports, and I mean, it's totally embarrassing, James, that these people are going into women's changing rooms, they've not had medical reassignment, and they're going into women's changing rooms and claiming
To be women without having had any medical treatment?
I mean, obviously this is very controversial, and this upsets a lot of women, and I can well understand.
Yes.
So now you have this pushback by what's known as the gen crits, the gender critical feminists, and it's very funny because a lot of feminists were in favour of this in the first place, but now they've all kind of, well, some of them are still in favour and say it's very libertarian, we've got to be accepting, and others are saying this is complete farce.
And I'm actually somewhat more with the Gen Crits on this, but then they think that I'm going to be like these transgenders, you see?
So it all gets very, very complicated.
And the trans rights activists are saying to me, oh, you're transphobic because you won't allow anybody to be what they want to be.
And the Gen Crits are saying to me, you're one of these transgenders who wants to do... And I'm saying, no, I'm neither.
I just want it to be what it was in the 20th century where there was a small number of people who went through extreme vetting and triage, a long transition process, completing a medical reassignment if that seemed to be working out, and then finally getting some kind of gender recognition or at least for most things.
I mean, obviously, people who have been through a, you know, a testosterone puberty shouldn't be participating in women's sports.
And also, then, of course, there's the whole issue about treatment of minors.
That's a whole big thing in itself that you might wish to go into.
Well, we'll go to that in a moment.
So correct me if I'm wrong, but I would imagine that that 2004 piece of legislation basically made your life and the life of genuine transsexuals So much harder.
Yes, yes.
Because you were happily assimilated.
I mean, what was like before that piece of legislation?
I imagine what that you sort of had come to live life as a woman and people, I mean, everyone, people are generally polite, aren't they?
They're not going to If they realise that you were born a man and they see you're now a woman, they don't sort of point and go, you know, say rude things.
They treat you as a woman because that's... That's how it was.
That's how it was.
But now, if I go on to social media, I mean, I'm still alright in my personal private life.
I mean, I still... I have friends.
I mean, I have no idea whether they know or not.
I really don't know.
I mean, my next-door neighbor, I'm very good friends with my next-door neighbor.
She's an absolute darling.
I love her to bits and she's got, you know, she's got children.
Her children are nice.
We, you know, we put each other's bins out and things like this.
We're very good friends.
But I've never talked to her about this because I just really, you know, I've had people that I have disclosed it to who have freaked out.
So I think, well, it's better just to be, it's better just not go into these things, you know, and just, Have people accept you as you are, like it was back in the 90s, you know?
I can't remember when you came up to me whether I could tell or I couldn't.
You told me fairly swiftly.
What percentage of people would you say twig and what percentage...
Just assume that you're a born woman.
I really can't say, James.
I really, really can't say.
I mean, I came up to you, and I was with my friends, and they said, look, James is over there.
And I said, oh, God, I've got to get a selfie with him if I can.
So I went over, and there was a gap, and I went in and handed my camera to somebody.
And I said, hi, James, it's Claire.
And you said, Claire who?
And I said, the gender book, because I just got you sent one a couple of weeks before.
Yeah, that's it.
And you didn't say anything at all, because obviously the selfie cameras were clicking away like mad.
Yeah, you know, I was probably busy thinking how the fuck am I going to rescue the second part of this show?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I'll very happily talk about that if you like at a later point of the conversation.
Maybe we can.
Yes, if we get to it.
Yeah, so yeah, I can see that and can't they say that how unfair it is?
Because I can see that now you are going to get a lot of flack because of the meddling of David Lammy and because of this aggressive new breed of, they're not transsexuals as you say, they're, well I would consider them to be, I mean, They're trying it on, aren't they?
Well, I think so.
I mean, what I say about this is, look, society has to decide what it's doing with this.
I don't have any influence on deciding society.
I can merely give my views.
Society has to decide on whether it can accept people who have still got penises as women.
I know what my view is.
Oh, actually, while we're on that subject, the Olympic athlete, what's he called, the one in America who's on that terrible... Sorry, I'm having brain death.
I'm not sure I can remember which one.
You know, the most famous transgender person in America who's... Oh, Caitlyn Jenner.
Yeah, Caitlyn Jenner.
Is it actually a she now, or is it still a man in terms of... Well, I'm not absolutely certain, but I think Caitlyn Jenner has had reassignment.
Medical reassignment.
I think so.
I'm not absolutely certain, but I think so.
Now, since you've brought up Caitlyn Jenner, obviously I mention her in my book, and it seems to me, now, obviously Caitlyn Jenner is part of the, what is it, that reality TV family.
Yes.
I don't watch them.
What are they called?
She's got a huge bottom.
Yeah, anyway, people will know who we're talking about.
I don't watch TV, James, and I don't watch reality TV, so this is all a bit beyond me.
But I do know that Caitlyn Jenner is part of that Kardashians.
I call them the Kardashians because the Kardashians were the villain race in one of those Star Trek series, the Kardashians, but that was before the Kardashians became famous.
I think they're actually a coven of witches.
They could be.
I mean, I don't know.
What it seemed to me, James, was that whether Caitlyn Jenner was aware of it or not, that this played into the agenda.
Because somebody, obviously, who had a high media profile, like Caitlyn Jenner, would be somebody who would get the attention of the media.
Now, I've been transitioned since the mid-80s, and I've written a book, right?
And yet, two years later, I'm hardly heard of, because I'm not part of the media
thing you know and but so somebody like Caitlyn Jenner who I'm willing to believe had transsexual feelings as a young person I'm willing to concede that's a possibility but course Caitlyn Jenner had a long professional career as an athlete well obviously that involved building up a male physique and
So, you know, Caitlyn Jenner's a kind of go-to guest on a lot of these shows, you know, tell us about transgender, you know, and while I say I'm perfectly prepared to accept that Caitlyn Jenner may have had transsexual feelings since the youngest age, at the same time, I don't think that somebody who didn't transition until they were in their 60s is really somebody who should be
Treated as a go-to consultant on what this is all about.
I really don't think so.
Yes.
I just think that, you know, OK, Caitlyn, you've got your life.
OK, fair enough.
But also, one of the things I've noticed is I saw a podcast with or interview with Caitlyn Jenner recently, and it was all about trans sportswomen.
Well, obviously, I've already made my position clear on trans sportswomen.
But the point is, Caitlyn Jenner, having spent her whole life as a sportsperson, Obviously is preoccupied and that is her, you know, kind of special subject, sports.
Right, okay, fair enough.
But the point is most transsexuals aren't into sports and most don't participate in sports and certainly most of them that I know wouldn't, would not wish to embarrass themselves by making themselves public.
So I've had to take the step of making myself public because i think this whole thing has gone so completely over the edge and it needs somebody from the kind of deep past of this subject to to be able to get into this and say look this is not how it's being portrayed you make a very good very good point there and let's go back a bit
because i i read your you you you write beautifully by the way i i thought you're you're thank you james read two of your recent recent blog posts on this subject oh thank you it just seemed it just seems so sensible and measured and you come across as sensible and measured and i hope i hope people who are because you know and i know that a lot of people who are
sort of sceptical of the whole system and the way that our overlords manipulate us and brainwash us and shift society in directions that make us feel very uncomfortable and are designed to undermine our culture.
A proportion of those people, and that would include some Christians, would be thinking, I don't want to watch a podcast with a transsexual because they're part of this war on our civilisation.
And you...
You make the point, um, that you were talking at a school event, I think, or something, and talking about how your, one of your relatives wanted to hide you from her niece, or from... Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, no, this wasn't an event, this was actually my mother.
Oh, right.
Yeah, so, um, I had very, very, um...
I had a very, very tortured relationship with my mother.
I mean, obviously I loved her.
She's very dear to me and we were very close in many ways.
But after I went through my transition, it was very difficult for me to visit home.
After my father died in the mid-90s, she would kind of carefully manage any visits that I might make.
And so she would want me to arrive after dark so the neighbours wouldn't see me.
And on one occasion, she said to me, oh, your brother might be coming around because my brother lived quite near and he was very good.
He was very good to her when she was elderly and getting a bit, you know, infirm, he would pop round frequently and, you know, make sure she was all right and everything like that.
But she said, if he comes round, can you go upstairs and hide in the bedroom, please?
Which was, so that was I suppose about, I don't know, mid-2000s or something.
So that was very difficult to kind of deal with.
Towards the end, she relaxed, which I was very pleased about.
But I think that was more because, well it was kind of because she was, you know, she was old and she was infirm and she was getting a bit forgetful and stuff and I think that In the end, it kind of didn't matter to her, but it was still, it was a long way to get to that point.
Yeah, yeah.
I suppose what that story illustrates is your position, which is essentially that you don't get Sexually reassigned Unless you're really really really really desperate because of all those all the consequences that you know including near ostracization by your by your your mother That's a pretty big deal.
And you were saying how You mentioned this at some sort of event and some trendy young person Said oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I thought she'd be boasting about you and No, no, well actually what it was was they, that's right, yeah, so my mother didn't want my niece to know about me.
Yeah.
Although I did kind of wonder what the family who didn't know about me thought why I was never came and visited or why I was never in touch or anything like that.
But yeah, so in I think in 2004 because of the Gender Recognition Act, which at the time I thought might be a good idea, but I kind of soon realized it wasn't.
But I got in touch with the yeah.
Yeah, and it didn't last very long.
Um, but one of, yeah, so I'm, uh, I got in touch with the, uh, University LGBT SOC.
It's just been, just added the T.
And I was kind of flavor of the month, you know, 20 years ago.
And... Yeah, we've got one.
We've got an actual tea.
Yeah, that's right.
So, but I've kind of, since then, I've kind of become unpopular with that kind of world because they realize that I'm not in favor of this non-binary, pan-gendered, you can be anything that You know, I'm just an anomaly.
And as I say about these things, this is an area where there are grey areas and anomalies.
And even the grey areas and anomalies have grey areas and anomalies.
So when I said to one of the students that I was a bit sad that my mother didn't want my niece to know about me, she said, oh, that's a pity.
Your niece might think it's cool.
And at the time, I just kind of, I just kind of filed that away and thought about it and I thought, well actually, you know, would you say being born with cerebral palsy was cool?
You know, it's like, this was just something I would have rather have done without James.
You know, I would have rather been a boy who liked being a boy, or a girl who liked being a girl.
Being a boy who wanted to be a girl, but knew that I wasn't, that was really horrible and I couldn't even talk about it until, I didn't talk about it to anybody, I never spoke to anybody about it until I was about 17 and I wrote to Claire Rayner, the agony aunt, you probably remember the name from The Caged Mirror.
And she didn't really understand what I was saying, but it was just helpful to be able to, you know, correspond with somebody about that.
It didn't really lead to much, except other than that it was something I was able to talk to somebody about, and that was really the first thing.
And so I was quite surprised that when I got to Leeds University, there was a TVTS group there that i discovered within about three weeks and it was the only one any only university union in the country that had one so i was able to go there and uh gain acceptance but there were there were a very small number of people um and that's where i found out how to take this forward
but and the in in those days what were relationships like between um Transsexuals and transvestites.
Did you feel any kinship or did you think they were just...?
Because both were so small in number, it was a kind of kinship, yes.
But because at the time transvestites were more socially accepted, then I only told one or two within the group because I let the other ones think I was just a transvestite.
But I eventually kind of relaxed and, you know, did explain, you know, to the others in the group.
But at that time, there was already the beginnings of the kind of political transgenderism that we see today, which is quite interesting, I think.
I mean, it wasn't present in the group that I joined, but I went to a conference, I think it was in the Easter Vac, about this subject, and there was somebody there who spoke about how
Well, pretty much what we now think of as the kind of, you know, queer theory where only... where they said that, you know, gender was just a social construct and that society should be based on, you know, kind of self-identification and that kind of stuff that we see, you know, trying to come out now.
But that was... I was really... I mean, it seemed absolute nonsense to me at the time, I mean obviously there are people, you know, there are always borderline conditions where people have these feelings but Not quite sure whether, you know, they're kind of 50-50 about and stuff like that.
But I'm not talking about people like that who have a worse decision to make than me in a way because, you know, they're kind of torn.
But they, the people who are the, you know, political advocates for deconstructing of gender, they completely detach themselves from any bodily You know, physique.
And it's purely down to social presentation to these.
The 50-50 ones.
Can't they just... I mean, like, there's an honourable tradition.
Of things like tomboys, you know, girls who couldn't be doing with being girls.
So they wore boys clothes and went off and sort of discovered the Middle East or whatever, or went out into the desert, or even joined the army, like that famous woman who became a soldier and hid her sexual identity.
I mean, isn't that how we should order things?
I mean, I agree with cases like yours, but...
It's gone too far the other way now.
Well, yes, exactly.
I mean, I think that if you're not, unless you are completely, you know, tipped over to the edge into a, you know, Benjamin Class 5 or 6, if you're in a Benjamin Class 3 or 4, it's better to find out whether 1 to 3 are transvestites and 4 to 6 are transsexuals, but, or have transsexual inclinations, but numbers 4 and 5 aren't
I still have some sense of... Class 4 would be people who still have some kind of, you know, attachment to their male body.
Class 5 would be people who want to have medical transition but are too... can't... don't feel that they can manage it socially or in appearance rather than... Type 6 would be someone like me who is just so, you know, completely...
filled with this, that in the end you just give in.
I mean, obviously, I did try in my twenties, I did try and repress it and what they call now, um, desist, but I don't like that term except for so-called kind of late onset or transgender.
I think that if I had experienced remission, As a teenager or at any later time, I would have been very happy.
Unfortunately, you know, remission isn't something that is very common with people who feel as strongly as I did.
Right.
I mean, did you sort of look at your wedding tackle when you were when you were a boy and just think this is just wrong?
It's not.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
From my very earliest memory, my very earliest memory.
Wow.
And I know.
Yeah, go on.
No, no.
How many people, as a percentage of the population, must be infinitesimally small, people who genuinely feel that way?
The trouble is that the statistical surveys of this thing have
I'm very largely kind of tainted by the people who do them because you get Gen Crits who say oh this is extremely rare and it's only socially determined anyway and blah blah blah blah blah and then you get on the other hand you get the transgenders who say oh yeah it's very common one in every couple of hundred you know and but then you'll say yeah but is that people who have full transsexualism or just a kind of social transgender thing going so I mean, it used to be thought that it was something like one in 30,000.
I think it's rather more than that.
But I think that the current statistics... Well, I mean, look at what's happened at the Tavistock Gender Identity Service.
They were treating... Excluding the name Tavistock, I think.
Well, yes, it's a bit of a giveaway, isn't it?
And... But...
Even they, in the early days, they had only a few dozen or maybe a hundred children in a whole year referred to them.
Whereas in the period between about 2012 and 2018, it went up exponentially so that it went from about 100 to something like, I don't know, 1,200, I don't know.
I've lost track of the numbers.
I mean, it just completely went haywire.
And a lot of people would say, oh, well, this is because of the social acceptance.
Now, I will accept that there will have been some who in that mid-2000s period did feel able to seek help because there was an increasing level of social acceptance.
But I think that should have tailed off after a few years.
You know, you'd just have the last few people who had been socially inhibited but now feel they can deal with it.
And then it would level off and then we would have that standard figure, roughly.
But unfortunately, what's happened during the teens is that it went up exponentially.
Instead of levelling off, it went up.
And to me, that was an indication that there was something fuelling it.
And this, like, largely judith butler the kind of stonewall um gender ideology about gay things didn't they they needed a new cause because gay was was was no longer really an issue i mean it was almost a sort of there was a sort of super abundance of gayness but i would say it wasn't a problem anymore so they had to move on to something more yeah niche yeah yeah and yeah and um
And the people like myself that I know, they absolutely reject this notion that basically our identity, which is a private thing, but we, you know, we went through it and we, you know, went through the process and we got to be who we wanted to be and felt happy about it and all this sort of stuff.
So we kind of sent... No, what I mean is, we had established our identity and we were a small but identifiable demographic.
Now, after the 2004, anybody could claim to be anything pretty much, or at least it was a slow process.
And now they are claiming that Transsexuals are actually transphobic.
I mean, this is one of the things they say, because they say, well, look, you know, basically gender is just a complete social construct.
So anybody can be anything.
You don't have to change your body.
You know, and so actually, transsexuals like myself, who, the whole thing was kind of started by people like, you know, Christine Jorgensen, Jan Morris, April Ashley, the various people, and
Now, I mean, the law in 2004 was supposed to be made to help us, but it's turned out to be something that really, you know, they now say, the transgenders now say, the word transsexual is considered to be politically incorrect.
for a start yes of course they do of course they do it's like it's like they that they they kept changing the rules and what you're allowed and not allowed to call the black person you know there was a time when colored was considered polite now it's terrible and you know exactly same with gay people you know sometimes you know gay people use the word queer to describe themselves and yeah but it's all by design
it's all designed to make make society feel uncomfortable about what language it uses and to always treading on eggshells and so we yeah absolutely absolutely yeah so i think what what we've reached is a is a kind of again james can i just ask have you got can i just ask have you got a fan going no No.
Oh, you know what it is?
It's my stupid bloody MacBook Pro, which gets too hot.
And I can't help it.
It's really annoying.
Fair enough.
I just wanted to find out.
No worries.
We'll just have to put up with it.
I think it's a really poor design, actually, that they do that.
Because they always seem to get overheated.
I mean, it's not in a hot room either.
Maybe I need to do something to it.
What's this at the bottom of the screen?
Is it?
Anyway, sorry.
Yeah, what I was thinking is that in the good old days, if you want to call them that, being transsexual was a thing that you sought Very reluctantly, and because you could be nothing else.
So you had to do this thing which involved, you know, what, four years of hormone treatment and surgery and stuff.
And what you wanted to do, your end goal was to assimilate as quickly as possible and hide, you know, in society like any other normal person without having the finger pointed at you.
Yes, that's the idea.
Now, it's gone the exact opposite way, where you've got people flaunting, because there's no other way of describing it, is there?
Flaunting their sexual politics and their gender, if you use that word, by participating in women's sports, when they know that no one's going to think, oh, that's a girl who's winning that race.
Everyone knows it's a bloke.
I mean, it's in your face, it's annoying, it's rude, it's show-off behaviour.
Yes, it is.
In fact, I would say that the ones who are doing this in women's sports, they can't honestly believe that they're representing somebody like me because
I just, I mean, sorry James, I'm just completely, I'm just completely staggered and overwhelmed by the stupidity and nonsense of it that people can try and expect, you know, that, well, you know, sex is just a social construct and, you know, and you're apparently quite
You're quite, you know, and if you don't agree with this, then you're an oppressive, you know, transphobic person.
I mean, I'm just staggered.
Sorry.
No.
Well, I'm inclined to agree with you.
I mean, I feel sorry for women having had their sport completely ruined.
Yeah.
I mean, it just is, isn't it?
There's just like...
Particularly sports like boxing, when you can get a woman having the ship beaten out of her by what is essentially a bloke.
Yeah, I mean obviously there are borderline cases.
I mean there was that intersex woman, Kasta Semenu, who's South African.
I haven't read her book, but I've been recommended it.
She's a genuine intersex who has a male chromosome, but androgen insensitivity, which means that however much androgen she has, it's not going to have more than a very marginal effect on her.
So people like that, there are genuine, you know, Intermediate, intersex anomalies at a physical level.
But my belief is that transsexuals such as myself, the main thing is some kind of neurological wrong development.
A friend of mine, Kev from Australia, he calls it the brain being tilted.
I just like that term.
It's like, you know, when you've developed, your brain is tilted in a particular direction because of The wrong kind of hormonal effects.
I'm inclined to think a lot of this is being caused by mothers taking morning sickness pills and things like this, interfering with the neurological development of the unborn child.
That might well be.
I mean, everything else is, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
I think so.
All our problems are caused by medication of one form or another.
Yeah.
Sorry, the thought flitted across my brain.
When you're wandering about in the world, do you ever spot a fellow transsexual and go up to them and say, hey, Well, no one's ever come up to me like that.
I live in Headingley, which is kind of woke central.
I don't know if you're aware of it.
Is it?
Yeah, it is.
It's super woke.
There's a cricket ground there?
There's a cricket ground, yeah.
Well, Headingley is a mixture of many different things because obviously the cricket ground is Bit of a conservative type bastion, socially conservative bastion, but at the same time we have tens of thousands of students in Headingley and the University area.
So, I do know a couple of transsexual people.
I do see, more often these days, I do see people, obvious transgender people, Yes.
But they're not the same.
I don't think so.
Chris, they haven't had the transition.
No, no.
And one of the things that I find absolutely bizarre is, have you heard of this trans day of trans visibility?
Well now, As far as I'm concerned, if I'm invisible, then I'm being successful.
I do not want to draw attention to myself like some kind of attention seeker.
I mean, because most people, I mean, you know, most people, you know, just imagine that they will go on the street and they will see women and men and boys and girls.
And so and you know that if, you know, you obviously stand out as being anomalous, then people will look at you.
And then also they might, you know, be horrible to you as well, you know.
So obviously I don't want to, you know, make a, you know, Make a fool of myself by drawing attention to myself.
I don't see why anybody would want to do that.
I mean, I know I have transsexual friends online who say to me, are you sure you're all right with what you're doing here?
Because you're putting yourself at considerable risk in some ways.
And they say, we would never do that.
We appreciate what you're doing and we support what you're doing, writing the book and trying to, you know, draw attention to the world, the difference between transsexual and transgender, vestite, whatever.
But they are terrified.
I mean, I have a friend who lives in Colorado, and she's absolutely terrified of being found out, you know, and I respect that.
I mean, it's less of a problem here in Woke Central Headingley because I'm more likely to be vilified by the transgenders than I am by the, you know, straight people.
Yes.
Actually, you raise an interesting point there, that I've noticed sometimes that some of the The people who call themselves transgender, male to female, exhibit aggressively male behaviour, which is not really compatible with being a woman.
No, I think it's inappropriate.
So most of the people, am I right in thinking that most of this sort of new wave of, I mean, of quite pretty Pretty girls, you know, transgender men who've decided that they're women.
They look good, but... So are we talking transgender or transsexual, James?
Well, that's what I'm saying.
That's the question I'm asking you.
This new wave.
When I see, say, a transgender person on TV, you know, who looks like a girl, but was originally a boy, More likely than not, they still got all their bits and they haven't done the transition.
Well, quite likely.
I mean, this is one of the criticisms that people like Helen Joyce.
I don't know if you're familiar with Helen Joyce.
She's a hack journalist, basically, who She goes on about how, well, hardly any of them have had the operation anyway, so they're all, you know, and then she says, oh, well, but even those who have had the operation, you know, they're not real.
And so it's like she makes the distinction and then she brushes it aside.
You know, and I mean, so what people like Helen Joyce are wanting is that if I go to a swimming pool, I don't go to swimming pool very often, but I do occasionally, then she wants me to use the men's changing rooms.
Which, you know, it would be bizarre.
It would be bizarre.
I have to say, if I was wandering around naked, as I'm wont to do, in the men's changing room, and you walked in looking like you do, and being who you are, I would think, personally, that you were in the wrong changing room.
Well, thank you, James.
Say you were in the changing room, the women's changing room, with my daughter, I wouldn't be thinking, Claire did not to be there.
Well, thank you.
Because she was born a man.
I think that's how it is.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, a couple of years ago I was taken ill.
It wasn't...
it was I was taken ill with something else but it was in the middle of January obviously it wasn't COVID because the COVID was pretent well precisely but anyway so I was taken into hospital I was just automatically I was put in a women's ward I was only there for a couple of nights I just needed to stabilize something got out of whack and there was never any question about me being in another ward and
And yet, the trouble is it's got to the point now where the health ministers will say things at party conferences like, all transgender people should be put in their birth sex ward.
Which is completely lacking in the nuance because You know, they're not making any distinction between me and one of these transgenders who absolutely refuses to, in fact, would never... I mean, I don't think anybody should be made to have gender reassignment treatment.
But the point is, if... Of course not!
Although it might concentrate the mind, class.
Well, it might.
It might.
I mean... It might stop the posturing.
It might.
It might.
Like you have these men who get convicted to go to prison for one reason or another, and then they say, oh, well, I'm transgender, so I want to be put in the women's wing.
And so I say, well, okay, well, that would be a good way of them getting an accelerated gender reassignment treatment, wouldn't it?
And then if the prison service says, well, obviously we can't put you in the women's wing, you know, since you're still anatomically male.
So, you know, since you've declared that you're, you know, trans of some description or another, We'd be doing you a service, wouldn't we?
To give you your full medical gender reassignment here and now.
And I think we might find people there deciding they weren't quite so trans after all.
I think it would change things in a trice.
It would.
Definitely.
It would separate the men from the boys or whatever.
Separate the boys from the girls.
Something like that.
The boys from the girls.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now, I don't want to...
Because I'm squeamish, I don't want to go into prurient detail.
I'm not bothered now.
When you've had gender assignment surgery, does everything work?
Do you get any problems or does everything work really well?
Everything works all fine.
I've never had any waterworks problems and I can still have sex.
I can still enjoy sex.
So you sit down and have a pee like a girl?
Yeah.
And it's all good?
Yeah, it's fine.
That's amazing.
I don't think much generally of medical science because I think it's responsible for an awful lot of problems.
But it is pretty incredible that they can do that.
Well, yes.
I mean, obviously, this was the result of 20 or 30 years of, you know, experimentation and so forth.
And then Dr. Biroux, in the 1960s, he kind of worked out a technique.
Basically, without being, you know, too detailed or squeamish about this, James, basically, you have plenty of tissue to work with.
So you can redesign the tissue because you've got enough tissue there to work with.
It's more difficult for female to male transsexuals because they don't have so much tissue to work with.
No.
So there are more problems.
It must be extremely rare for people to go the other way.
Well, it used to be.
Now, this is this is a bit.
Yeah, this is in the early days, there were very, very few female to male transsexuals.
I think Radcliffe Hall was one.
Are you familiar with Radcliffe Hall?
You've probably heard the name.
She wrote that the first lesbian novel or something like that.
Yes.
Hang on.
where are we I'd just like to show off my collection of books Like that.
Radcliffe Hall, The Well of Loneliness.
Ah, that's the one.
Anyway, the thing is that...
I'm really inclined, I mean, I've not quite finished it, so I can't write my review of it yet, but I'm quite convinced that Radcliffe Hall was, in a sense, a proto-transsexual, because she talked about wanting to be a boy right at her earliest age.
Presumably, Stephen Gordon, the character in the book, is a semi-biographical I don't know.
Radcliffe Hall did like to dress in men's clothes and took a man's name and all these things and the way she's describing Stephen Gordon is as somebody who wanted to be a boy from her earliest age she used to play at being young Nelson that's one of the things and then she fell in love with her nursemaid and then she fell in love with one of the neighbors wives and
Then actually I have quite a lot of identification with this because she was actually after her father died, she was asked to not come and visit her home by her mother in the book.
So she went and lived elsewhere and She's always talking about how she wished she'd been a man, how she wished she'd been born a boy, that she just wished that people would accept this, and so she used the term invert, which was the term at the time for homosexual, but I do think that it's just so explicit in the book.
She says repeatedly, I mean, she's referred to as having a virile mind and all these things.
But the book was written in 1928, so this was... She probably wasn't aware of Lillielb, Einar Wegener.
So, she was just on that kind of cusp of where this was coming into awareness.
So I think that that is... Sorry, I can't remember how we got into this, but that's how I think that was... To me, one of the things about the book is that a friend of mine recommended it to me, a straight friend, and she said... I've just been reading this book by Radcliffe Hall, and she said what struck her about it was that
She said that she thought that although we were both going in opposite directions, she thought that we were very similar in that we were both born And had these feelings about being in the wrong sex or gender, right from our earliest ages.
Also, interestingly, the character in the book is sort of slightly androgynous, rather more masculine than most young women.
And I myself, I think I was fairly androgynous, which obviously, you know, made it easier for me.
Um, but I think that, you know, one of the things about Radcliffe Hall's book, I think, which is really important, is that it established that some people are just born like the way they are, and they can't change it, and they just have to, you know, build a life around that.
Now, I don't know what Radcliffe Hall would have done if she'd been born 50 or 60 years later, because she was born in 1880, so she was very much a child of the Victorian period, and she was already uh 40 or she was more than 40 more than 40 when she wrote her book so i mean i think we do get you know we we we just kind of get settled into the culture and life through it that we we know all our lives
so you know um i i've had one friend contact me and say be careful what you say about radcliffe hall because she's such a lesbian icon that if you start trying to appropriate her for transsexuals then you'll probably get a kickback and i said but yeah okay fair enough i understand that you know there might be that but it's It's so explicit.
I mean, right from the first few pages.
She wants to be a boy.
She wants to be a boy.
She falls in love.
She wants to be a boy.
If she was a boy, she would marry this person.
Oh, she wants to be a boy.
She wishes she could have been a boy.
She plays.
She fences like a man.
She just wishes she had been a man.
Oh, if I was a man, I would marry you.
And it's just like repeated and repeated.
So I think that anybody who says, oh, you're appropriating Radcliffe Hall.
She's really just a lesbian.
I think, well, you know, I'm only Reviewing the evidence in the book.
Really, that's all, you know.
The literature, through the ages, I say through the ages, I mean from the 20th century, let's say onwards, has been priming us for this cultural shift, hasn't it?
It's they, the people who, the rulers of the darkness of this world, know what they're doing, and so they use... So you've got Orlando, Yes, I have a copy of that, but I haven't read it yet, but I know it's something like that.
But you've seen the film, seen the movie?
No, I don't think I have, actually.
No, I should.
Okay, so you've got Virginia Woolf, who's obviously, you know, I mean, you would expect somebody from the Bloomsbury group to be seeding this kind of stuff.
Yes.
And then you've got Gore Vidal again.
That's the same time, almost exactly, Virginia Woolf as Radcliffe Hall.
Late 20s.
Right.
Okay.
Yeah.
And then you get, in the 1970s, I think, early 70s, Myra Breckinridge.
Yeah, 60s.
Oh, is it 60s?
Yeah.
By Gore Vidal.
And Gore Vidal is, I mean, he's pretty much Bloodline's family.
He's definitely part of the elite, related to all the sort of the dodgy types.
So of course he was going to write a book about this character who is neither female nor male.
I read the book, yeah.
And it's sort of preparing us, isn't it, for this world we now inhabit where there is this new thing called gender.
And you're not supposed to identify necessarily with the gender you were allocated at birth, but yada, yada.
This is all to do with transhumanism and probably Baphomet as well, isn't it?
There's a sort of satanic element in it.
Yes, there is.
I think there is and I don't know.
It's hard to say how conscious some of this is, but I do think there are some people who knew what they were doing and other people who were just, you know, like they say, useful idiots who go along with it without realising it just because it's, oh, this looks cool, you know.
But I think there are people manipulating behind the scenes.
I mean, obviously, I mean, Judith Butler She's kind of an illegitimate child of Foucault, because Foucault is promoting things like Well, I mean, he himself, I believe, had underage relationships and things like that, you know, and so he's kind of promoting... Oh, he was very dodgy, wasn't he?
Yeah.
Really dodgy.
So basically, Foucault is kind of on the pathway and then Butler is... they each follow each other, I suppose.
Foucault follows Vidal and Butler follows Foucault.
Well, they headhunt academics who say the stuff they want to be said, and they promote them.
I don't know what her backstory is.
Well, what I was going to say is, I mean, this goes into a wider kind of field, but that they always like to corrupt and exploit genuine things, particularly unusual genuine things.
So this is why transsexualism, which is a, I think, a genuine phenomenon that a small number of people experience, that we don't want to change society.
We don't want to change society other than having society allowing us to be able to go through our process.
We certainly don't want to change the way society views gender or to abolish gender or sex or any of this.
We just want to deal with our own personal problems and that's it.
But what's happened is that this has been seen as something that can be... I mean these people, these transgender people, the transvestites and so forth, they have seen this as something to exploit.
And I think that going back as far as the 1960s, there was somebody called Charles Prince, the name of Virginia Prince, who was probably the first person to really promote this.
Um, you know, and actually was actually quite against transsexuals because he said it's about men who admire women, but that you shouldn't need to, you know, that it's wrong to have medical treatment.
So obviously, Charles Virginia Prince was not a transsexual, he was a transvestite, and he just wanted to promote it as a cultural phenomenon.
Well, okay, so far you can go with that, but this always seems to end up with dismissing transsexuals, saying that we're not the real ones, that they're the real ones, that we should now call ourselves transgender.
And 20 years ago when I went to an art therapy conference, I referred to myself as transgender and it was immediately taken to assume that I had not had medical treatment or surgery.
Interesting.
Yeah.
So obviously that was, I was just familiar.
I was only, I was quite new to the term then and I thought, oh, this is just the new term, you know.
Yeah.
I didn't realize what or how it was going to be taken.
Yeah, well, you do know that language is a very, very powerful weapon and they're exploiting it all the time in different forms.
Absolutely, yes.
I think words are like spells.
I think that they're much more powerful than I think most people realise.
Oh, yes.
I wanted to ask you, given that you're down the rabbit hole, have you come across elite gender inversion?
EGI?
No, I haven't.
No.
Well, obviously.
I'm obviously missing out on here.
The thing is, the last year or so, I mean, as you know, James, the internet is just a hellhole of people tearing each other down, you know, and so I Don't go as deep as I should with some of these things because I've done my work in the past.
But tell me about it, James, please.
No, I'm not.
No, I think I don't want it to be me.
I'll do it on another podcast and you can listen to it.
But I mean, it's something you should definitely look into.
I mean, it's like the Wachowskis.
You know, the Matrix?
No, it's more than that.
It's essentially that the predator class, all those incredibly rich families and so on, quite often they bring up their sons as daughters and daughters as sons.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
As part of their sort of satanic ritual obligations.
Yes, yes, yes.
To provide a model for the population to follow.
There's that, and this has happened especially in Hollywood, to the point where I think a lot of people don't really know what a pretty woman should look like and what a good-looking man should look like, because in some cases the people playing sex goddesses are actually men.
And I think some men are sometimes... women are sometimes men.
I have sometimes wondered about some of these, James, yeah.
I think somebody said Leonardo DiCaprio is a... might be a woman.
I mean, you just don't know.
Well, you just don't know, but obviously Leonardo DiCaprio, when he was younger, was a very pretty boy.
I mean, you know.
Yeah, I mean, I fancied him when he was a I also fancied Claire Danes, who was in Romeo Plus Juliet, so I don't know where that leads me.
Maybe Claire is a brave as well.
I mean, Leonardo DiCaprio has become a bit more masculine appearing as he's got older, hasn't he?
Well, there's this other phenomenon of men who look like lesbians.
You know about this?
This is quite funny.
No, go on, go on.
One theory as to why this is the case is that these women who are playing men in Hollywood, as they get older, their true sex shows itself as they start to look like old lesbians.
Are we talking like Ellen DeGeneres, for instance, would be an example of that, probably?
She's just a lesbian, isn't she?
Well, I don't know, James, but I have heard it said.
I have heard people say, because... I don't know, James.
I mean, I'm not making an accusation or assertion, but it's possible.
I think one thing we can state with absolute certainty, Clare, Michelle Obama is a lovely lovely woman and The allegations that she might be otherwise are just outrageous and of course, of course James all those deep fake videos of That we don't want to go into the details about there.
We won't know You mentioned you mentioned praying earlier on.
Um, are you a Christian?
Have you ever been a Christian?
I am a Christian James.
I've been a Christian on and off all my life.
I'm probably not very Orthodox because unfortunately Conventional Christian churches these days seem to have I mean obviously the Pope is a bit kind of Yes, yes and So it's Well, I'll just cut to the chase here James because obviously there's so much
Misrepresentation of, you know, Christian teachings and so on and so forth, that I just bear it down to the absolute.
Core essential, which is that, um, so, how do I present this?
Well, I believe in the resurrection of the body, I think surely that is the core, absolute, fundamental thing, and that I also, I'm a believer that the Holy Shroud is actually The genuine representation of, because unfortunately people still believing that it's a medieval fake, but the thing is that they, have you seen the forensic examination James?
Oh, no listen Clare, you're preaching to the choir here.
The story about it being a medieval fake is itself a 1980s construct created by the satanic establishment to diss it.
And they examined the part of the shroud which maybe was a medieval add-on, but they ignored the... Yeah, that's right.
Well, I don't know if you're aware of it, James, but the actual image itself, there is no pigment.
There is no pigment.
The image itself is a scorch.
Like, if you leave a hot iron on a linen shirt for too long, you'll get a brown mark, right?
It's a scorch mark.
Yes, you will.
That is what a forensic, a detailed, deep digital scan of the shroud has shown, is that it's a scorch mark, right?
So, That's a very important thing.
Now, it's also been found that if you, I can't remember how they do this, if you put the image through some kind of image processor, and this kind of goes back a couple of decades, that you actually get a three-dimensional image, which you couldn't do.
It's basically, so what it's saying is that the image itself was caused by coherent light.
So it's basically a flash of coherent light, which impressed the image on the shroud.
And there's no other explanation than that this is the resurrection of the body.
I can't think of any anyway.
I mean, maybe there are, but I'm not, I don't know.
No.
Well, no, I'm totally with you.
I mean, we Christians aren't supposed to need proof, but if one wanted it, it's there, isn't it?
It was good enough for doubting Thomas, you know.
I mean, he got the first-hand physical thing, didn't he?
But, you know, so I don't see anything wrong with us seeing A piece of physical evidence.
That's very true.
I was just reading that bit of John's Gospel the other night.
Jesus doesn't go, Thomas, you're really rubbish.
I don't like you.
He goes, you know, I just hope that other people might not need that.
He doesn't give Thomas too hard a time.
He doesn't say, I'm going to undisciple you now for not believing.
That's right.
And also, I mean, this gets into perhaps slightly more controversial territory because I'm into, you know, kind of what is known as Well, spiritual science, and that is, you know, how does this stuff happen?
I mean, I know that perhaps you don't need to go into explaining and understanding how miracles happen.
But at some level, if you've got something physical like this that happens, then there does need to be some physical thing happening to make it happen.
And I, well, I'm slightly getting into controversial territory here a little bit, but I think, I mean Jesus did say that we shall become like him.
I think he did at one point say that we shall become like him.
That our vile bodies shall become glorious bodies like his.
And so I'm assuming that at some point in our spiritual evolution that the idea is that we, now we're probably a long way from it, but that ultimately that we should, you know, achieve this with the assistance of, you know, Jesus and the Christ energy and all that.
So I'm thinking in terms of... That's... Yes.
So you're going to be, when that happens, you're going to be a woman?
Well, I hope so.
I don't quite know how that would work, James.
I mean, I'm sure I'm a long way from it, but yeah, hopefully.
I mean, that's not my principle reason for believing in that, because I'm, you know, I'm extrapolating this from, you know, Jesus, the Shroud, the Resurrection, all that.
And, you know, He says that we shall become like Him, you know, so that our bodies will become glorious bodies of light.
So, yeah, hopefully.
I mean, Paul said that they're in Christ, there's no man or woman, we're all just spirits or something, so I don't know.
But I imagine that I won't be bothered.
I imagine that the problems I had as a young person won't be a real problem in the future, I don't know.
But I'm not really bothered about that.
I think that seems to be a very sensible reading of it.
I don't know whether the Elephant Man was a Christian or not.
When the elephant man gets resurrected, he's not going to have his trunk or whatever he looks like.
And all the people who were born with hideous disabilities, Jesus isn't going to go, yeah, well, mate, that's how you were born.
Yeah, well, yeah, I haven't thought about it like that, but yeah.
Yeah.
No, I think these are sort of...
I mean, I talk to all sorts of Christians on the podcast, you know, the sort of sola scriptura types who are absolutely adamant that if it's not detailed in the Bible, then it's just not real.
And then, of course, you've got the kind of the older churches, like the Orthodox and the Catholics, where it's a sort of mixture of the Scriptures and tradition and kind of the mystical thing.
And?
The tentative conclusion I've reached is that it's a mistake to be too dogmatic about it.
I think so.
I'm sure there will be some hardcore, hardcore types who will say that what you did is unbiblical, un-Christian, you know, because there's no, because there's no, because there's no bit in the Bible that says, and if thou want to change thy sex, and if thou want to change thy sex, thou can.
But then they didn't have the technology in the book.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I'll tell you something, James, that I've been wanting to say about this.
um Obviously, I'm sure you remember Gerry Marzynski.
your psychiatrist you had him on twice yeah of course yeah i think he's my favorite vet my favorite guest of yours over many years all right now yeah and when he came on the second time he had a friend with him or a client or a get another guest and they talked about how this person talked about how they
it wasn't the person who was the guest but they knew of one former patient who had been plagued by demons and the demon was always pestering him and annoying him and making fun of him and And then the demon said, well, if you pull out your eye, I'll leave you alone.
So the guy went and pulled his eye out and then the demon went, ha ha, stupid moron, do you think I'm going to leave you alone?
Now that I've got you to do that, I'm just going to go at you even more and point out what a silly person you are to have listened to me.
Now, I worried that I might have been something like that, you know, but I never had any, you know, it was more much my internal feelings.
Anyway, after I went through my medical reassignment, Great!
Fantastic!
I'm not regretting it.
I'm not, there's no demon there pointing at me saying, ha ha, stupid moron.
I'm just saying, well, this is what I've always felt.
This is what I've always thought my body should be like.
Now my body's like it.
I'm happy.
It's all right.
And that was it.
So I don't think that what I did was demonic because I wasn't, you know, I didn't feel like I was Well, I didn't regret it for a start.
If it had been demonic, then I would have regretted it, I'm sure, and there would have been demons laughing at me all the way.
Yes, yes.
Before we go, Clare, let's just quickly deal... I mean, I almost think it doesn't... doesn't saying that it's quite wrong to brainwash our children into thinking that gender is a choice and that... and to feel uncomfortable, that it's an option that they can...
Tinker with this stuff, because of course children will do it.
It's like the um... Somebody's telling me the story of the... Is there a... Is it a movie or something where the... Where the... The teacher says to the... It's in Scandinavia.
And the teacher says to the children, it's minus 30 outside, so you don't want to be, what you really don't want to be doing is licking the bars outside, because your tongues will freeze to the bars, and then five of the children do it.
Yeah.
It's a bit like that, isn't it?
It is.
And I actually, I was very pleased.
Somebody made a YouTube podcast review of my book.
I hope you won't mind if I just briefly point my book there.
Please.
Plug away, Clare.
There we go.
That's my book.
Available on Amazon.
And... Oh, I've lost my thread now.
I was saying about children.
They really just should not be... Oh yeah, the podcast that somebody did.
Basically, I was so pleased because they'd got the whole point of my book, which is they said, well, what they got from the book was that this isn't something, that gender identity isn't something that should be generally talked about with children.
Because it's only going to give them ideas and things which They're not really able to deal with, and it's much better for them to just go through their own development and not, I mean, because you know what children are like.
You give them some crazy idea.
I mean, it's like that student that said to me, oh, perhaps your niece would think it was cool.
Well, she was only like eight at the time or something, you know, and so I don't want people thinking this is cool, you know.
I just want people who, you know, have had this kind of problem to be able to deal with it in a sane and rational kind of way, without making a big political thing about it, because I don't think it should be a political thing, but it's being made a political thing, you know, all these trans rights are human rights.
I have no idea what that means, James.
No idea at all.
Clay, you've put that point so eloquently and succinctly.
I don't think we need to develop it.
I think it's a good point well made.
I'm going to go now because my flashing light is... I've got the other batteries recharging.
Oh, you and your batteries.
I know.
They don't last that long.
They last an hour and a half at most.
Tell us where we can find your books and your website and stuff like that.
Right.
I'm on, well, my books, I have this one, The War on Gender, and that's on post-modernism and trans identity.
That's on Amazon.
It's also, I'm on with Arctos Books.
Unfortunately, I'm one of their minor authors.
That ain't going to change, Clare, you know that.
No, I know, I know, I know.
Well, they publish such people as Spengler and Dugan and stuff like that, which I'm sure gets a lot more political attention than my book.
But anyway, and then I've also self-published a book about a New Age camp I went to in the 1990s called Waking the Monkey.
Now, that's I fear that people may misunderstand that one because, to me, I meant it to be an explanation of how New Age is very largely brainwashing.
But unfortunately, some people think that it's... I make it so cryptic that I think some people think that I'm promoting what's in there.
But if you read it closely, you'll find that I think to myself, well, how can you read that?
Because I went through this New Age camp and I was just completely...
I was made to be a complete outsider, so I wasn't happy with it at all.
But I'm a bit worried about your battery, James.
Anyway, you can find me on YouTube and BitChute, and I'm on Twix, you know, Twix, TwitterX, as I'm CosmicClair99.
And I'm on Substack and WordPress.
You can also find me either as Cosmic Claire or Claire Rae Randall.
And I'm on Facebook, Clare A. Randall.
So, if you want to see my, you know, in my recent podcast, I mean, hopefully you'll allow me to put this up on my own channel after you've, you know, done yours a little while.
And I shall very much look forward to that.
And if you send me the stuff you want put on the bottom, I'll just put it on the bottom.
Thank you very much, James.
So, it only remains for me to thank you, my beloved viewers and listeners.
I really appreciate your support.
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I think we do.
Thank you for watching, or listening.
And thank you again, Claire Rae.
I didn't introduce you with the Rae in it, but I see that I should have done.
Claire Rae Randall.
Thank you, Claire.
Thank you, James.
Thank you very much for having me.
I'm very, very appreciated.
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