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Welcome back to the DELINGPOD Tonya Edwards you're looking lovely and cheerful how are you doing?
I'm actually really tired.
I could stop crying, yeah.
But it might be my new thing, just be weepy.
Not because I'm sad, but because I'm so exhausted.
Something strange happened to my stand-up, it all disappeared.
My thing just went.
Not in some exciting way that I was banned, but just in that I lost it.
I don't know where it's gone.
It just seems to have gone.
And I made the mistake of sitting up till three o'clock this morning trying to find it, and it can't be found.
But it'll be fine.
What did you say you've lost?
So my stand-up, I only have a couple of things online.
They're just for my booker to send out to people.
My father likes them.
No, no.
They divert people like my father from conversations with people like you, James.
It's essential to have a couple of clips underneath it and they've gone.
But I'm not the kind of person that has these things on my computer.
No, no.
I think we're not the kind of people who have...
I'm sure that Shelley will have it somewhere, so I'll be able to work something out.
I just haven't... Yeah, I shouldn't have stayed up.
Why was I trying to fix it?
It's not as if I can fix it, is it?
It's not as if I understand how it works or where things might have gone.
You're a girl.
You're blonde.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, thank you.
I actually need to be more versatile than I am to really push the totally natural blonde thing.
I don't know about you.
I'm feeling like all these people who are saying, oh yeah, we're winning.
It's all going to be okay.
They're overplaying their hand.
I'm not getting this vibe at all.
No, they're absolutely deluded.
They're not.
It's a disaster.
It's much worse than it was.
I'm feeling quite negative.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, I think there's going to be a war.
Because it's how they roll.
I think that sort of indications like that ridiculous announcement by Rishi Sunak that, oh, I think that conscription will be a good idea.
I'm thinking, well, why would you introduce that?
What for?
Who are we fighting?
Well, I think that several different things are happening at the same time.
Firstly, you have to have... What was interesting about the conscription wasn't the proposal, which is obviously because we're supposed to see the Conservatives annihilated, the whole announcement, but the people that don't realise yet that this is an illusion and it's soon expected to be promoted out of national politics are the first
Irritating phenomenon that we're still seem to have even on our side that people think it's this is real and sincere and that that was a genuine effort to launch launch a successful leadership campaign that was obviously not supposed to Make people want to vote for Sunak, that whole announcement in the rain where he drips back into the Houses of Parliament.
That was, I think we've established, that was a humiliation ritual.
The conscription thing, what was interesting is that KS Dahmer didn't respond by saying this would be an outrage or an infringement on liberties or etc etc.
He said, oh this review is just going to cost lots of money.
So nobody is really letting these big points go.
It's a bit like the taxation.
You're just switching people so that you can be robbed in a different way.
You have to have the Conservatives in so that they can say to people, we're going to stop you being robbed while they rob you.
And then you have to switch over to the Labour so that people generally are encouraged to want to rob other people more.
Don't worry, we're going to get in and we're going to take more money off your neighbour.
And no one ever stops to look around and think, well, wait, what are they spending it on?
Another 15 cameras at the end of my street.
You know, a cage around my local rosebush, a cycle lane in the middle of my street.
They don't look at it like that.
They think, oh yes, let's take some money off those people or let's stop them taking some money off me.
We're not really looking at where's it going?
Bombs.
We're just killing loads of people with it.
It's really sad.
It's a very bleak time.
And I was at my father's in half term.
I love my father.
You know we're not aligned.
And he's had seven injections and hilariously he's declined the eighth and the ninth because he thinks he's had every variant going now so he doesn't need those.
And it's quite extraordinary.
And I think it's fascinating how they've done it.
The way, obviously no government on earth has ever cared about the elderly population.
We all know this.
So the idea that everyone would be locked up until they managed to inject elderly people was always a lie.
We all know this.
But what was so clever is that I think it quite clearly affects healthier people more quickly.
And so by injecting all of the elderly first, I think people subconsciously thought, oh, well, it hasn't killed my mother, so I'm probably safe to take it.
But they always knew they could get rid of those old people in the end because they just keep going back because they're grateful for life.
And not the kind of life that we ought to be grateful for, the one where you stand up for things and say, no, I'm not going to do that, and hey, this is a bit suspicious, but the kind of life where you assume everyone wishes you well, and that they are obliged to give you a few more weeks in Crete.
I mean, it's a totally bizarre way of thinking.
But they are all going to start dying soon, and that's why... So, you say war.
Do we even need a war?
Well, obviously, War is a racket and these people are all racketeers, so maybe.
But really, this illness that they keep proposing, they've got so many options to them now.
I think we have to just accept that we're in a depopulation programme and they're going to go about it one way or another.
I'm not really sure about the war thing.
I think that... Well, here's... I think they want to kill ourselves, James.
There's a difference.
I think that they want us to kill ourselves voluntarily.
I think it has to be a spiritual thing where you're supposed to be in despair and give yourself up.
This idea that you're so useless that you can't do anything apart from sit at home and watch TV and mutilate yourself and then one day the government says don't panic I can kill you and you say thank you.
I think this is... I don't think that they need... The problem with things like wars is they make people have real feelings and they make them feel alive.
The better way to do this is with fear and sleepiness because then you wouldn't go I mean I think that's an interesting argument that the That almost they need our consent in order to, our consent to kill ourselves.
And that if they go through the war method, that's more direct.
If I were the evil cabal, I would think that, nevertheless, that war would be a good option, because you think about it.
I mean, have you seen the Deagle forecast, the famous Deagle forecast, which people are... I saw that yesterday.
Yeah.
So they came out, didn't they, in about 2020, 2021, and people look at them and saying, is this for real?
What?
Like, of all the countries in the world, I think that Britain had one of the highest death rates.
I think it was something like some whopping... It was Sanny Johnson's.
It was Sanny Johnson's dream, wasn't it?
Whatever it was.
I can't remember the legal numbers, but I remember it matching up with Sanny Johnson's ideal That's Stanley Johnson's idea, isn't it?
Yeah, so sad.
So sad, but it is what it is.
they're not hiding they're quite open about it but but so so you you think think about how um how close to starvation we were at the beginning in the early years of world war ii before we we started all keeping bunny rabbits and and and growing vegetables in parks and things like that uh you know how to do that
How dependent we were on grain supplies from abroad and so on.
And you think about how dramatically Ability to feed ourselves has declined since then and you think about what they've been doing to The weather I mean, you know, we probably haven't had genuine weather natural weather for decades, but the ridiculous winter we had where it was just cloud and rain cloud and rain cloud and rain cloud and rain all the time and
And I know so many farmers who could not get out into their fields.
Their tractors were getting stuck.
They couldn't plant.
James, they are constantly, constantly, constantly spraying here.
What would normally be huge tomato plants by now have never even bothered taking out of their pots.
Nobody would know how to plant anything in London anyway.
And I know that they are definitely getting ready for things like that, because if you shop online now, which we've been trained to do, it won't let you buy more than three multipacks, for example, because you have to be fair to the other customers.
And I've realized that everything, even the language of Have you had your five a day?
That's one of your five a day.
All of this is the language of rationing.
It's the same that they're having in the supermarkets with their light systems.
Everything is about an idea of limitation and your share.
Because, essentially, global communism will require that everything is distributed amongst us.
As if we're all beasts and there is nothing great in the individual.
And it's about the total death of the personality, which actually is like the Catholic Imperium, where you... I don't know if you're familiar with the idea of obligatory confession, where you had to completely give your... you're obliged to confess yourself.
It's the opposite of the idea that God is within you.
I'm not talking about assuming the Godhead for yourself in that weird New Agey way.
The difference between thinking that God is within you or thinking that you're obliged to confess to a priesthood who everything is separate to you and you're delegating everything, even your soul.
The idea of the papacy having dominion over heaven and hell, the ultimate imperialism, everything all together.
I think this is just the modern version of the imperium.
You're supposed to confess everything into the public eye in some format or other.
You're supposed to Totally surrender any kind of individual thought process.
You're supposed to accept the idea that we're all the same, which we're obviously not.
And it's interesting that they've got at this through race.
Obviously, you're all familiar with the adverts where you can't even see an advert for a dip now without one of the The hands getting the crisps have to be different colours.
You know, you can't eat hummus unless you have a black friend.
We all get it.
But it's this idea that there's no distinction between people or cultures or races or religions and it's the great levelling.
I think it's, so definitely the rationing, but I think that this is part of a psychological War on the soul so that people surrender everything to the outside and the ultimate delegation of responsibility so that they are nothing but a slave.
I think it's a psychological battle.
After that, of course, you can kill all your slaves in war or you can kill all your slaves in the other which way you want.
But I think it has to be.
This is a longer process.
I hope a longer process than we think it's going to be.
Yeah, as usual, you say too many interesting things which I want to pick up on.
Just briefly on the five a day thing, which I agree with you is total programming.
Have you noticed another thing?
I was driving down to Cornwall the other day and the roadside bollards, they're redoing the A30, God knows why, given that they want us to keep us in our 15-minute city.
So why, you know, I don't know, what's the point of road widening?
The illusion of normalcy.
It's the same thing that they did in lockdowns.
They kept building.
So it gave you an idea.
Now, I actually think that if you look at some of these huge tower blocks that have shot up, I do think it's because they're moving populations around quite deliberately.
Maybe those places have a purpose, but I think it's more that when you show something's being built, people have an idea that things haven't stopped.
It's just a way of playing with their time.
Yes.
No, I agree with that.
So driving down, you remember what colour bollards have always been.
I mean, they've always been red and white, right?
But now they've, well, I mean, not now, this has been going for some time, they've introduced this new colour scheme, the blue and yellow of the Ukraine I don't actually know what colour the bollards are but I know that they're orange and white or red and white.
Yeah, orange and white.
So they've now got these blue and yellow, but not just any blue.
It's not royal blue and a particular, you know, not primrose yellow.
It's the exact yellow and blue of the Ukraine flag.
They know what they're doing.
They're psychologically preparing us and they've been doing it for some time.
The same reason why we had English villages with idiot brainwashed households flying the Ukraine flag.
I mean, you know, there's any number of wars that...
On little village garden gates.
Interestingly, in the places that would be slower perhaps to put up an LGBTQ plus flag, they were very quick to put up these Ukraine flags.
Because it fitted with their perception of democracy and the strong little villager.
Rebelling against the great powers that be.
But I think that people have totally lost sight of the fact that whatever you think of nationalism when it's taken to its extreme, then the nation state is a defense against imperialism.
And then within the nation states, the towns are a defense against the capital and the villages are a defense against the towns.
And it's the antagonism between the different groups of people that keeps power in check.
And the further we Think into this idea that there are these great governments that are all getting together to try and save the little people of Ukraine or the little people of here or the little people of there.
We're actually just removing all the natural antagonisms that keep everybody in their place.
And we won't even be able to see the monster that we're creating.
We'll just experience it when it's big enough.
Yeah.
People won't be able to... I always say this Chesterton quote about how you need a politician close enough to kick him.
But by the time this monstrous supranational government is built, you won't even be able to comment on it.
You won't be able to see it.
You won't even be able to identify what it is that you're upset by.
It's going to be a total... Actually, I'm feeling very negative.
Is everything good?
Have you ever watched any of Derren Brown's programmes?
Derren Brown?
Derren Brown.
He does these experiments.
He does experiments like when he asks somebody to draw a picture on a piece of paper and the person folds it over and he draws
What he thinks they will have drawn and then at the end of the show there is the reveal and the person opens their picture and then Derren Brown shows his and lo it's the same image that okay and so he then he then shows you at the end how he's done it and he reveals that on the journey to the studio
At every stage in that day, the person who's drawn the picture has been exposed to these images which have been placed on walls and in the loos and wherever.
And they've absorbed this information subconsciously.
The subconscious, which is immensely powerful, has absorbed this information.
And it emerges and the person thinks that they are just, you know, I just drew a flying saucer or whatever.
But no, this has been planted in their brain for the benefit of their subconscious.
And this is what's happening with those blue and yellow bollards I mentioned.
They can do this with everything.
They've even done this with groups of people.
They played them some music after they ate.
And then afterwards, they associated that music with food for a certain amount of time.
And I just don't think we realize that all of these experiments have been done not for this interest or this curiosity about animals and animal nature, all of these disgusting, wicked experiments we've done on animals.
They've all been about how you can apply them to people.
I don't know if you're familiar with the, there's this really disgusting study that people share about this lamb that dies, because the lamb is safe, it's in a cage, and there's another lamb in a cage, and one of the lambs can see a wolf, and that lamb dies.
And the lamb that can't see the wolf is fine.
And the point of this study, that people like to share it in our groups, I mean, They go, oh, look, look, they know that fear can hurt the lamb and kill it.
And that's what they try to do with us.
But this is where I think conceptually we've gone completely wrong.
It doesn't matter that someone proves the screamingly obvious that you can frighten a creature to death.
What is weird is that we have lost our confidence to such a degree we think we need a study to show that you can torture an animal to death.
Because that lamb didn't make a mistake, did it?
There was a predator that was going to kill him and put him in a cage to torture him to death.
It just was a guy with a white coat and a clipboard.
That's all.
And the idea that we don't understand that that's already the problem, that everything that's wrong with our whole Western society is there in that one example.
The second anybody thinks it's alright to torture a creature, not because you're killing something to eat it or Just to torture it, just to show that you're rational and that your reason can be proved and that you can kill something.
This is demonic.
It's demonic.
Now that is the demonic grasping for knowledge.
That is the apple.
That is the idea that you're playing God.
That is absolutely evil.
I have this friend called Tim.
Do you know Tim Price?
Tim?
Tim Price.
Investment Tim Price.
Brilliant Tim.
Of course I know Tim.
Of course, everyone knows Tim.
So he said this thing, because he's had a kind of spiritual thing, I think, like lots of us have.
And he said that when he was... You know he was at Oxford, he was a scholar, blah, blah, blah.
And he said that he found it really... He was at my college, I think.
Oh, is he?
So he found it quite... He was arrogant when he heard that 90% of the world believed in God, you know, because he was a smug atheist like me.
And what's curious about this, though, for me, is that on our side here, people are always so excited.
They think that we're winning because it only takes 10% to change everybody's minds.
But I've been thinking about it differently since Tim spoke to me.
It was just a random comment he made about 90% of the world believes in God.
I thought, isn't that incredible?
If you actually are a globalist and you want control of the world, You realize that you only need 10% of people to change everybody's opinion.
So what do you do if you want to poison the world?
You just give 10% of people all of the fame, the money, the big titles, the fancy universities, and you let them spread their smug philosophy everywhere until everything is uprooted.
Yeah.
Oh, I feel bad about it, Tonya.
It's my fault.
My education made me one of those people.
And I was responsible for like 30 years of helping to kind of promote this paradigm.
You know, propping up the system.
And also they look at it another way.
The bigger it gets, and the vainer it gets, I think that they're definitely getting more confident.
And I'm always curious about this, whether it's just the irresistible urge to tell people, I did that.
You have to always resist this temptation when you have a child, because you've got to let them think that they've made their own decisions.
But there's something about vanity that makes you want to tell people, you know you did that because of me.
And I do think that there is a little of that happening now.
I do think that that is... I do think that they're vain.
They're not ashamed now of saying openly, we want to reduce you and we want to...
But maybe I'm just being... Oh yeah, they're not even pretending anymore.
By the way, I haven't read yet those books that you keep recommending about the saints.
Oh, the Philokalia.
Yeah.
So here's the thing, and the second time you mentioned it and I affected ignorance, you chastised me for not having remembered that you mentioned it before, so I felt bad.
Anyway, I wanted to tell you, I went to Moldova recently and I spent a Sunday afternoon in an Orthodox monastery.
being entertained by the bishop.
And it was great.
We drank lots of shots of brandy brewed by the monk, and we said, Christ is risen and stuff, he's risen indeed.
Even though Orthodox Easter had ended, they're so into Easter, and why not, that they carry on celebrating it afterwards.
So we were still sort of cracking eggs, cracking hard boiled, you know, they use, this is a tradition in Eastern Europe because I know because my wife's half Bulgarian and we do the same tradition where you have egg cracking, you boil some eggs.
hardball some eggs and you and you you you paint the shells different colors and then when you're having your easter easter lunch or whatever you you you crack the eggs like conkers and you you see whose egg survives and then then you all eat them anyway so we so we did some of that um but i really i try i i i tried mentioning this to alistair williams on our recent podcast and i could i could see that his his sort of antennae were going orthodox
don't like orthodox because because alistair is where is is where he is But I have to say, as a kind of floating voter, I really do like the orthodox take on Christianity.
I like the idea that you have this kind of spiritual advisor who's there to… and I like the noetic prayer, the Jesus prayer, the sort of contemplative aspect of it and sort of finding Jesus within you.
Which seems to me quite close to kind of Gnosticism and New Age stuff, but presumably isn't all the way.
I mean, because it's the Orthodox Church.
It's the Orthodox position.
I don't really believe.
Listen, I'm still learning.
Firstly, I don't even think There's so many different things I'm thinking about everything you've just said.
The first thing is about how you said for 30 years you propped up the system.
And I think we're looking at that wrong.
And I think it's connected with what you then said about this monastery.
We're all here for a personal reason as well as for a wider reason.
And I don't think this is new.
For us, it feels very new.
But actually, for every Imperium, there have been all of the people that have just participated in it for whatever reason.
You know, the people have sold themselves as mercenaries to destroy their own countries without... Oh, most people!
Most people, I would say.
They also have behaved nobly in that role.
So, they've both been doing something ignoble and noble at once.
So, I think that...
I don't know how you can shake anybody out of it before they're ready to be shaken out of it.
I think it's a question of grace.
And as for the orthodox position, I think obviously, if you understand that personality is your gift from God, and your responsibility to your gift is to own it, It's not to defer it to somebody.
That doesn't mean I don't believe in the traditions and the community and the participation in sacraments.
It's more that I think this idea that you can just give away all of your responsibilities for your conscience to somebody else is nonsense.
And we know that it's nonsense because the Pope sold these vaccines too.
We have to accept that the whole world is currently I know it sounds far-fetched to people that are normal, like my father, but the whole world, from the Dalai Lama to the Pope, to everybody, is in on it.
And it doesn't matter... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I think it's probably, without sort of giving the Catholics a hard time, I think it's a mistake to conflate the Pope And the corruption of the Catholic Church, in its senior echelons at least, with Orthodoxy, which seems to me to have a different structure.
Well, they're completely different.
They're in opposition.
But I wouldn't be able to...
So maybe Orthodoxy is the one place left where there's no one corrupt at all?
I know some amazing... No, no, I think that's not true.
I mean, I know in Moldova, for example, there's two factions of the Orthodox Church, and one, so we were told, is completely corrupt, and the other one is pretty... based.
I don't know whether that's true, but it makes sense.
If this is the eternal conflict, then why are we so worried?
Well, of course on one level we... Don't worry.
We shouldn't be.
I mean, we absolutely shouldn't be because we're going to presumably get eternal life and, you know, if you say the name of Jesus, we've got protection.
It's just that I'm not really worried about the afterlife.
It's the bit leading up to the... It's the linear experience of this part.
I don't want to deal with food shortages, for example.
I'm quite used to having food on tap.
I told you about my experience when I came out of time, didn't I?
Remind me.
Well, anyway, I had one of my weird experiences when I was having my experiences was I came out of time.
I just understood that time doesn't exist.
It was really bizarre.
I've spoken to a few people about this.
My friend had this on mushrooms, but I was just sitting in the churchyard and I came out of time.
And I have absolute faith that the good wins.
I have total faith that the good wins.
I have no problem with that.
But it is, like you said, it's just the fact that I live in linear time and I need to get through it.
And I want to be I'm happy and grateful for my life.
I don't want to be angry.
But I'm also not sure how much suffering people are going to need to take to wake up.
And the one thing that you do get with huge suffering is that people turn to God.
And at the moment they are all turning to their governments.
Or they're all turning outwards.
It's very strange.
And I think that I don't know if you heard that Gordon Brown thing, no one's safe anywhere until everyone's safe everywhere, which is obviously insane.
But I think if you're looking at the whole world from this perspective, it's even how they've sold the war on Gaza, or the hostage rescue strategy.
Everything that's being sold is for greater safety everywhere.
And I think everything has to come from people saying that all responsibility and all, everything is absolutely local.
It's as near to you as your feet.
You know, everything you take into your own hands is something you have a freedom.
Every duty that you take is a freedom.
I can't hear you.
There's a bloody Chinook helicopter flying past.
I've had them in my house too.
As they do with worrying frequency these days.
And I'm thinking, what?
Why?
In the lockdown, they had one constantly over my house for a few weeks.
Just constantly.
It made me insane, the noise.
And they had, on one of the protests I went to, it was at the end of the protest, and they had territorial army, they had helicopters, they had people on horseback, they had hundreds of police, they had no protesters then.
I'd had to put my children to bed, I was very late.
And I had no idea, I lived in that country with this huge army of people ready to say, Don't do this.
But I was trying to be positive.
I think if we can stop listening to any of the story and start taking little things into our own hands, that every little thing that we do for ourselves, anything, increases our spiritual strength, if you like.
Yes.
Yes.
After I went...
After I went to the Orthodox Monastery, I listened to this podcast by some Orthodox podcaster.
Although, I don't know why you'd brand yourself as an Orthodox podcaster.
That seems to me limiting your message, really.
But anyway... What do you mean?
Sorry?
I don't know what you mean.
Why not be a podcaster talking about Christianity?
Although I think even Christianity is too narrow.
No, I think you're right to be as particular and specific as possible.
OK.
So anyway, what this person was saying was that, look, it is not Given that we are living in end times, it is possible at any stage for humanity to buy itself a reprieve by mass repentance.
And I thought, actually, there is some truth in that.
What is repentance about?
So there are carnal sins, obviously, but there are also Almost every job now that people do is a fake job, which is conducive towards the destruction of everything that's valuable.
Look at the Met Office recently announcing that May was the hottest May in records.
Everyone knows this is a lie.
Everyone's lived through that recent May.
Everyone's been shivering their arses off.
My friend told me, he's a behavioural scientist, he said you can't hold two ideas at the same time.
So for example, the second now that people are realising that these vaccines gave them cancer, they're being told that there's a cancer vaccine.
And that's because they can't hold the ideas at once that a vaccine gave them cancer and a vaccine can cure them from cancer.
So actually by having both of those ideas out there at the same time, the one will just knock out the other.
It's very, very clever.
It's the same thing with this mess office stuff.
I watched in real time.
Don't forget that these people live by the sea.
They spend all the time on their boats.
They used to always look at the sky.
They used to always look at the weather.
They understood the weather.
They could feel the weather.
Now they look at their phones, and I saw in real time, and this is a sailor, look at his phone to find out what the weather was going to do, saying, this is ridiculous.
This is the opposite of what it said five minutes ago.
And then, when it started raining, 10 minutes later, said, isn't this extraordinary?
That's so accurate.
They knew that the rain was going to start at 10.
So they cannot see the spray.
They can see when something changes.
And instead of thinking, this is all very peculiar, they think, gosh, this is clever.
This is brilliant progress.
They knew exactly when it's going to start raining.
They can't even see.
Even when they can see the data shifting in front of them, they can see it changing.
They then credit it as if It's as if I'm shouting from behind the curtain.
Just change it to rain and they see it change to rain and it starts raining and they don't realise that it's because I'm... It's really peculiar.
It's... Well, it's certainly the case.
I was speaking to a farmer the other day who was telling me sort of half...
Half seriously, half kind of in disbelief about the May weather.
And I said, look, do you ever remember a period where we've had this low, low grey cloud above us all the time and such consistent rain?
Do you not think there's something really, really weird about this?
And he sort of half saw it, but he hadn't really thought about it.
And this guy's a farmer, for goodness sake.
This is the frustration of those of us who conceal this stuff.
The clouds are square here.
They're square.
It's a perfect blue sky, they build the grids, and then afterwards there's clouds that are left as square.
And because my son's at this fancy school, I speak to people from all over the world, obviously, because it's a sort of cosmopolitan hotpot.
And one of my friends, she was brought up in Dubai.
She's Somalian, but she was brought up in Dubai.
She's totally familiar with cloud seeding.
They think it's terrific.
They talk about it all the time.
They know it can be done.
It's not a conspiracy to them.
It's like going to Tesco.
It's nothing.
But she said, oh, why would they do it here?
The weather's already terrible.
So even if you know about it, you're familiar with it, it doesn't bother you, you still can't imagine it would be applied unless it was to give you a nice day.
This is This is the problem.
We seem to imagine that the government... What the hell do we think that the government is?
It's as if we think it has no... Well, it doesn't have a personality.
I agree with that.
But we are giving it a personality.
And the personality we're giving it is some benign parent that is there to distribute sweets in our favor.
It is psychotic.
That is the lie.
Nobody should be expecting the government to fix their weather.
We are paying the services.
Isn't that what government means, or one interpretation of it?
That govern and then ment.
Ment from mental, from the mentis, from the mind.
The government is essentially mind control.
You're right.
You've actually put your finger on the fundamental problem that those of us who are awake have in trying to communicate our concerns to those who are not awake.
is that the thing we can never get past is the but why would they do this because Why wouldn't it?
Our rulers are benign.
Yes, in past times you had evil kings and wicked governments and corrupt politicians.
But we've moved on from there because of a thing called progress.
And we've got this thing now called liberal democracy.
And liberal democracy, you're free and you can change the government every few elections.
People just cannot get past that point, that there are people out there...
I just wrote about this because this is what I see where my father is.
Everybody believes that the will to empire died with the British.
That's what they think.
They think the will to power died.
They don't understand that that energy, that human energy, goes somewhere.
If you're so apathetic you can't get out of bed, it doesn't mean everybody else is lying down.
It means somebody else It has all of that energy that you can't manifest in abundance.
And all you're seeing now is the whole mass of humanity giving all of their energy to their overlords.
It's absolutely parasitic on us.
I really think that.
I just don't know how you shake anybody awake because it has to come from within.
It has to be an act of grace.
People have to ask for it.
You know how you said that mass repentance would be the beginning?
This is why I think that they have all of these stories coming up.
Because all they're trying to do is defer the moment where people don't go across and blame somebody else, i.e.
every pharmacist, every doctor, every volunteer that poisoned people with these injections is going to have to have their day of reckoning.
Every single one of them.
But All of us have participated in some way or another and we're going to have to accept how we behaved in our hearts and we're going to have to reconcile ourselves with it.
We're going to have to take responsibility for it.
So every time they have an excuse, you know, have another injection or there's going to be another pandemic or there's going to be a war, all they're doing is deferring the moment of What is repentance?
It's just taking responsibility, isn't it, for your own mistake.
I mean, sincere repentance.
I don't mean fake repentance.
Sincere repentance is accepting your own part in something.
Yes, that's it.
That's kind of what I was getting at.
That repentance would have to include almost everyone waking up to the fact that... I mean, I'm sure there are exceptions.
I don't, for example, think that fishermen or farmers have Well, actually they do to a degree.
Farmers should not listen to the National Farmers Union.
They should not take all these directives.
They should not allow their herds to be vaccinated.
You know what really causes foot and mouth?
Foot and mouth was not really a known disease until vaccination came along.
Have you read The Watchmen?
The whole thing is a lie.
All of it's a lie.
Did you hear about the burning of the bees in New Zealand?
Yes, I did.
What was the excuse they gave?
Well, this is it.
The bee is obviously symbolic of the soul and it creates honey.
It's also a masonic symbol, by the way.
Really?
For what?
But anyway, everybody uses all of these symbols.
They just have different interpretations on them.
Because you can't escape the beak, can you?
But the excuse for killing them all was that there was a below toxic level of spores or something in the boxes.
But what you're actually having here is some admin idiot from a city turning up and destroying the countryside, which we've all seen everywhere.
And it's reduced to a question of compensation.
But these are horrific crimes.
They're sacrilegious.
They're absolutely gruesome.
Forget how demoralizing they are.
They have their own power to kill four million birds.
All of these things... Peas.
Birds.
No, I'm talking about the birds.
They're about to kill four million birds somewhere or other.
Of course they are, because the bird flu is obviously a way of stopping us.
It's the excuse to cull our hens.
No, but there's two things happening here that are different.
The battery farming is also wicked.
This whole way it's sold.
Or do you think the poor shouldn't eat chicken?
Absolutely, I don't think anybody should eat chicken stuffed with hormones and water.
I don't think because you're poor you deserve to be poisoned.
I don't think we should specifically, deliberately poison the poor with one pound chicken that's full of hormones going to make them grow tits.
No.
I think, of course, I don't think that the poor should be deliberately poisoned with poisoned food just because they're poor.
But we've been taught everything the other way around.
Oh, you don't think that the poor should be allowed to eat chicken?
No, I don't think that you should be allowed to deliberately poison the poor.
So one thing that's happening with our industries And this idea of mass consumption and mass production.
And one separate thing is happening with totally disenfranchised Indian individuals from taking responsibility, which is this idea of the bird license, where you're going to need a certificate just to have one bird.
You're not going to be able to own your own chicken, and you're not going to be able to burn wood in your own house, because everybody's supposed to be a slave to the grid.
But I think obviously these are ways of causing supply shortages and enhancing this idea of powerlessness and that you're waiting for your ration master.
But I think also the actual acts in themselves, the act of sacrificing millions of birds, the act of sacrificing millions of bees, has its own evil Yes, and you know what?
And it's also these crazy numbers.
You know how you hear about trillions of pounds, millions of birds, millions of boxes, and people lose all sense of control over their environment because they cannot understand these quantities.
And it's another way of completely destroying the individual, I think.
Yes.
And you know what?
God doesn't like burnt offerings.
He gave up on that a while back.
I think in Moses' time they used to do it.
But then if you listen to the Psalms, there's a line, for thou desirest no sacrifice, else will I give it thee, but thou delightest not in burnt offerings.
And there's another psalm actually where God actually says, I look you think you think that I mean I paraphrase he says that you think that by burning burning animals you're you're pleasing me like get real I know all these animals I made them you're not you're not pleasing me by Well, I obviously totally agree.
I think it's wicked, but they're not trying to please God, are they?
Or not?
No, they're certainly not.
Did I ever tell you... Some people get very upset, Christians particularly, get very upset about the reincarnation subject.
So I was talking to the woman who used to treat me for my Lyme disease, who was a... or whatever it is.
She's a Hindu and she was telling me about her aunt and her aunt had a near-death experience where she was dead for a certain amount of time and then they managed to revive her and she came back to life Absolutely ashen, and not just because she'd been dead.
She'd witnessed something so horrible in the kind of netherworld between life and death.
And the thing she kept saying was, don't do bad things.
The punishment for bad things in life is so great.
You really you really want to get your repentance in.
I mean we get these little clues.
Don't we that that because because I think we're all Trying to find out what the deal is with God and which version of Christianity or whatever is correct and which is not correct and what it is that God wants for us.
And okay, so we've got the scriptures and stuff and we've got traditions, but then occasionally we get people actually experiencing the supernatural, whether it's through near-death experiences or through
Having special powers, like this friend of mine who can actually see demons, or in the form of visions, like the old prophets who had direct line to God and could see what was going on.
So, I don't know if you're familiar with the idea that if there is one God and all philosophies are trying to take you to the same place.
I hear this, I've heard this.
If you look at the simplicity At the heart of most traditions, it's because we are all getting closer when we contemplate or try to contemplate God.
We're getting closer to the obvious, aren't we?
Which is that everything is sacred and created and we're not lord and master of our own place.
But I had this interesting chat with this really nice Hindu girl.
She was really young and beautiful.
She was a Londoner.
And she was a Hindu.
She is a Hindu.
And I'm a Christian.
I feel very uncomfortable about the reincarnation thing, but that's because I'm leaning towards it.
I really don't like the idea.
I don't like the idea that I've done things wrong.
That I can't, that I'm accounting for in some way that I can't see directly.
I find that very uncomfortable.
You must have done some things right, Tanya, because you're quite funny and clever.
So, you know, you haven't, like, if you'd been just going with the reincarnation thing, suppose you'd come back with no arms and no legs and leprosy.
Life would have been so much better.
But the interesting thing about this girl is that she saw everything as exactly the same as us.
And she was the sweetest, happiest, smartest young.
She was really positive.
She was laughing.
And she said, oh, yes, and then I think everywhere in the world is going to end up like Gaza.
It's going to be total desolation because the end point of multiculturalism is that everybody hates everybody because there can be no community and there can be no tradition.
But she was saying all of this, laughing and chatting, we completely agreed on everything.
And I also found that really depressing.
I think any thinking person can see exactly where this is going, unless, as you said, people start repenting.
But I think repenting is just going to be noticing.
I think noticing is going to involve not choosing to buy the other story.
The next story that comes is going to be choosing to say, oh shit, I've done this to myself.
I'm not ill because of those starlings.
I've done this.
I poison myself.
And I think that... Starlings?
No, no.
I'm saying when people start realising, for example, that they're getting sick, if instead of looking at the birds outside their window and thinking, this is the bird's fault, kill them all, please, Mr Government... Oh, I see.
If they start thinking, oh shit, maybe this is because I poison myself, then they're going to have a moment of fear, But the right kind of fear.
Not the fear of something that might happen, but the fear of something that actually is happening that they have to take responsibility for.
So I don't think that the mass repentance that is required is going to be everybody suddenly racing down to their local church and And having, you know, learning the Psalms like you, or having a total theological religious crisis like me, I think it's going to be very, very simply a lot of people at once thinking, oh, I've done this.
Why?
I'm sorry.
And the nature of saying sorry is that you find yourself saying sorry to someone, and then that someone is normally God, even if you don't think you believe in him.
I was just trying to Google.
Yeah, fear of God.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
That's from Proverbs.
And I think what that proverb is saying is, it's not, you should spend your whole time just Shitting yourself because of God's wrath.
It's that, always in your mind, you should have, you should be conscious of God's judgment.
And that is the beginning, well, it is the beginning of wisdom, isn't it?
Have you read the guy that was dismissed as a heretic?
I don't know how to pronounce his name, Oregon.
I have his first principle, but this idea that every creature is going to be redeemed, even the devil himself.
You know this idea that this is just a constant process of everybody getting closer to redemption.
It's one of the early Christian ideas which sort of incorporated reincarnation and the idea of redemption.
You're not familiar with this?
No.
You've now got me foxed whether it's pronounced Oregon or Origen.
No, it's probably Oregon.
I don't know.
I read things and I don't listen.
Oregon, yeah.
I don't know.
It could be either.
It could be anything.
I can tell you how to spell it.
I can tell you how to say it.
But I think that... So he was considered a heretic, was he?
Well, on certain points, but he couldn't abandon all of his teaching.
So that's why his first principles were still allowed.
But his more out there, one could say, More specifically, you know, the ideas that he really had in his own person, they were considered heretical.
But the ideas that could be used... Was he not castrated?
Oh, dear.
I'm going to look.
You see, we're always after the gossip.
I'm trying to talk about the big principles, and you just want to know... Well, yeah, but it's quite interesting if he was.
Let's have a look.
Scholar and Christian... Of course, this is only Wikipedia, which is...
I think it was quite early.
So, 185 AD to 253 AD.
That's quite a long life.
Really interesting.
On the first principles.
Listen, I want to talk to you about this, James.
Yeah, go on, tell me, tell me.
There's this line somewhere.
This historian, Chamberlain, very controversial chap, don't know why, very interesting to read, and he said that he was talking about sincerity, and he said that people that are sincere have a lot in common, and this is really Means something to me.
It's been curious to me for ages how I can read somebody like him, who I don't agree with on lots of things, but who I have an affiliation with.
So why is it that I have an affiliation with certain people who I do not have the same ideas as, but I feel closer to them than I do to people that I'm ostensibly aligned with?
And I think it's because I can tell instinctively who is sincere.
And when people are sincere, firstly, you cannot be sincere unless you've been thoughtful.
So you don't mind hearing a different opinion because it's extending your thought process.
It's a different thing.
You can't be sincere about ideas that you're not still evolving.
Because the second you try and lock something in a box, you're not sincere about it anymore.
It's just dead to you.
So I think that when people, even if they have a completely different opinion, when they're not afraid of their opinion because they hold it, and they see each other even if they're in battle with different opinions, they recognize each other as a kindred spirit and that's why they're not afraid.
And I think that it's the lack of sincerity That is the state that we're all supposed to be aspiring to, so that everybody is insincere or at least has half an eye on other things.
I'm sincere about this, but how will this affect my job?
Or how will this affect the way I earn my money?
Or how will this affect how my friends feel about me?
So no one in the public space, at all, is sincere.
In fact, by definition, to be in the public, you're now considered that you have to be insincere on most things, otherwise you could offend somebody.
And that is being set up as an example.
And that is why, when people see something that they don't like now, They'll call the police or they'll have something cancelled.
The reason that they'll do it is because what they can see that frightens them is sincerity.
They can see that someone's not for sale and that's why they can always tell and it's not to do with what's being said.
It's to do with consistency and thoughtfulness and sincerity when everybody else is prostituting themselves and they can tell.
But the thing is, the sincere people can also tell.
The sincere people can also tell That even if they're not in agreement with somebody, that they can work together with that person because that person is honest.
Yes.
And it's very interesting.
I hadn't really thought about sincerity before as a great virtue, because culturally, particularly in the sort of the upper echelons that you described earlier, the kind of Oxbridge, etc., among the upper classes, Sincerity has been something which has been.
It's mocked, debased.
The defining characteristic of an Englishman, as dictated by the upper class mores anyway, is that you shouldn't take anything too seriously, that it's rather vulgar, that you shouldn't get hold of ideas because ideas are dangerous and so on.
I can buy that if that's an opinion you're holding sincerely.
I'm not talking about character traits in that regard.
I'm talking about the... I think that that's actually a very quirky specific thing, you know, to think it's frightfully vulgar to be naff in public.
I'm not talking about the sincerity.
No, I think that you're sort of...
That isn't quite the point I was making.
Given that all our cultural trends, which we think are organic things, are actually shaped and manipulated by people of the Edward Bernays mindset.
We are controlled every which way.
So you look at, for example, how English comedy and the notion of the English character was changed as our empire, I say our, their empire diminished.
We were encouraged to see a new role for ourselves through sort of self-deprecation, black humour, sarcasm, flippancy.
Which are all kind of the enemies, I think, of the sincerity that you talk about.
In other words, we've been, over generations, we have been prepared for where we are now.
That sincerity has been deliberately debased culturally in order to... To make a note of traitors.
Well, to make a load of traitors, but also to instill in us that sort of despair that you rightly pointed out.
Almost like we invite our own ruin, because there is no other way.
Do you know, I was speaking to a friend of mine who's at Eton, and he's a comedian, and he was always pitched as, you know, the privileged white male, which of course he is, but he was pitched in that way even in opposition to extremely privileged young black women, because that was the role that they were both supposed to be playing in the public eye.
But what was curious is that he made some comment once about how, yeah, a few of his friends had killed themselves at Eton.
And he was supposed to be able to, you know, throw that away as...
It was obviously for him a bitter comment on the kind of privilege that he was supposed to be apologizing for.
I understood where he was coming from.
But also the idea that these children are at school and they have to not mind that another child kills themselves.
Or worse, they have to feel slightly guilty that they actually don't care because they're having such a jolly time.
And I do think that there are certain things that are happening in our education system at every level.
So at the privileged end, and definitely at the underprivileged end, where actual humanity, attachments, rootedness, they are also being made a mockery of.
It's supposed to be an uprooted culture Well, you have nothing to do but to despair.
Simone Weil wrote this, to despair like a Roman slave or to inflict uprootedness on other people.
Those are the only two options.
And I see that that's happening everywhere.
And maybe it is part of this thing that you've described that I don't think is exclusive to the upper echelons.
I think it might manifest itself slightly differently.
But this idea of things being pointless and aggressively pointless so that you have You have either aggressive, almost a violent perspective on value, you know, whatever the value is, family, life, or...
Conscience or your own opinions.
People almost feel violent against that.
Or they feel completely oppressive.
It's very strange.
It's a very strange time to be alive.
I know that it's being promoted everywhere, all of this stuff that you're supposed to eat yourself to death, masturbate yourself to death in the evening, give yourself to the government to be treated to death.
I understand that all of these things are happening at once, but it's weird that it's so crass now.
It's so I mean, the pornography in our adverts, my children have to go past on the underground and there's this big poster at the moment of this Gillette guy, it's a Gillette advert, and this guy is shaving his, the top of his, you know, the bottom of his stomach, above his towel, with all those special moments.
So obviously you're supposed to look at this poster and know that this gay, this gay... I was going to say guy!
Cancel her again!
There's nothing left to cancel.
I was trying to say guy but it's so gay.
This gay is shaving his tummy before he has his Grind-A-Date, Tint-A-Date.
I've lost it now.
But this is what the children are just learning to read.
This is what they're absorbing every day.
It's really perverted.
And these are the public spaces.
But actually, before we come back to that point, just briefly as a digression, have you ever read any Trollop?
No, I don't think so.
There's hundreds of books at my dad's house that I've not read.
Yeah, of course there is.
So there's a book I'm reading at the moment called Framley Parsonage.
It's quite difficult to work out what Trollope's own position is on stuff, because he's very good at painting a broad portrait of rural Britain, particularly.
The Barchester series are all about clerics and squires in a fictional county called Barsitcher.
But the one I'm reading at the moment, Family Parsonage, is about the moral conscience of a parson who's been given this parsonage by this titled lady in whose gift it is.
And this cleric gets seduced by these urbane characters.
And there's the Duke of Omnium, who is the definition of urbane.
He is the definition of urbane.
He's very good at light banter, but he has no moral core.
And there's another character in the book called Sowersby, who is very clearly a Roman.
It's interesting that Sowsby is completely lacking in sincerity.
He's constantly ripping people off and he's very entertaining.
You delight in his company.
He is like the devil.
What I find interesting is that Trollope could see this and anatomise this writing in the 1880s.
This strand has been with us for a long time and it's seductive.
But I think this is one of the things that's happening with The way we're being presented as, you know, the ideal sort of society now where everybody's from somewhere else and that people are diverse or different because one person's Chinese, one person's Kenyan, one person's English, one person's Spanish.
But what's happening is, and this is actually happening, Let's say I'm with a group of people that are from the same place as me, or my extended family.
I mean, my extended family is obviously mixed, but let's say a small village.
When I was small, my extended family, everyone was the same.
So you could see in that place actual differences between people, differences of class, differences of accent, differences of personality.
And you would be able to say confidently, that person's a miser, that person's generous, that person's stupid, that person's hypocritical.
And you would have no conscience about identifying those characteristics of the people around you, because that was how those people presented themselves to you.
I'm not suggesting everyone Stares at people all the time like I do, but it was just an instinctive way that you had of being with people.
I think we all do.
Yes.
Now, what happens once you're in a situation and you're told... So, my mother-in-law, for example.
It would be absolutely insulting to her to suggest that she and I are the same.
It would just mean that I didn't know her at all and I had no respect for any of her beliefs, her personality.
It would mean that I'd never seen her, never noticed her, never spoken to her.
We're obviously extremely different.
In fact, we're more different.
We're not just different because of our personalities, we're different because of our cultures, our languages, everything.
But once you have lots of people mixed at the same time, and the only thing that they have in common is the fact that they are all equal and they all believe in democracy and they all, you know, like the children at my son's school, They are still organic and they can still read each other's personalities because they're normal.
But when you do that to grown-ups at the same time, they feel reluctant if they're told this every day on TV that to do this is wrong or that they're told on the radio that this is wrong.
They feel reluctant to notice personality traits.
They feel reluctant to say that person is a thief and that person is a hypocrite in case someone says, oh, you just don't like Indians.
So, what happens is they start to censor their own idea of what they are allowed to think about another person's personality.
And I always thought that that's where it ended.
But now I see that it really is more effective than that.
Because once people start to worry about noticing any characteristics of anybody, they become susceptible to the idea that the characteristics themselves are dead.
They become susceptible to the idea that we're suddenly all good, that no one is self-interested, And that there is no greater glory than to look at yourself in the mirror and that actually everybody owes you a favor.
And then they are ripe to be moved in whatever direction it suits anybody to move them.
Whether that's somebody selling them something, someone making them watch something on television or behaving.
Their behavior, once they cease to understand character differences in their fellow human being, they can't They can't suspect anybody.
They can only wallow in their own weaknesses.
It's really strange.
And this is not the only way it's being done, but there are lots of ways this is being done, where we're being sold this idea that there are no characteristics left that you have to be wary of, or that there's nothing that you need to control in yourself.
I mean, what a way to make someone commit suicide than by having them live a living death because they spent all their time eating and masturbating.
They are already dead.
They are just a complete slave to their own habits.
They're so irrelevant.
It's been so... I can't believe how easy it is.
It's as if every single horrible, cynical thing that was ever done to humankind has been put into books, which are books like Merely, The Rape of the Mind.
It's a good one to look at.
But it's as if everybody's ever read these studies and just thought, oh, that's a great idea to get my own way.
I always thought before that people were looking to raise their fellow man, and it turns out that's not what's going on here.
It's probably... Well, that is part of the satanic agenda, isn't it?
To take people away from the notion, well the truth, that they are made in God's image.
And to promote this notion that they're just... Animals.
Animals.
That they're not special.
And that they're not different, and that they're not particular, and that nothing about them is precious.
It's the saddest thing.
Or worse, in the formulation of the New Ages, including David Icke, that this is just a kind of... Well, you know, he cropped up again on my Telegram channel, which I just think he's probably infested with With people who are there to disrupt rather than to... But people say, you know, why are you giving a hard time on David Icke?
Well, to David Icke, and I say, well, given that all we know about the... Given all that he's allegedly taught us over the years about these ruling elites, our sinister slave masters, do you not think it's a bit weird that he holds the same spiritual philosophy as they do?
I mean, he thinks that we're living... He argues that we are living in a simulation.
That's very much that Westworld idea isn't it?
Or is it sort of corruption of the microcosm macrocosm thing?
So the idea that you're a microcosm of the macrocosm is whether or not you're looking at it as every you're representing You know, you're made in the divine image because you're manifesting something sacred.
It's the opposite of just thinking you're in a computer game with no... Or is he just meaning it the same thing from a different angle in simplified language when he says simulation?
What do you mean by simulation?
That everything that's around us, insofar as I understand his kind of philosophy, I don't think he has a philosophy.
I think this is what he's been given to.
Like a lot of these people, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Rishi Sunak, Keir Starmer, they're all actors.
They're all actors.
They're all playing a role.
But Ike was allocated his role and his role is to sort of push this sort of lukewarm New Age philosophy.
I did see your recording with him and what I noticed was that he never, well he does not accept that he's a creature made in the divine image.
I don't mean that as in you're an animal, I mean he's not, he doesn't, you have to submit to God.
Fear of God is not about submission and It's about humility, isn't it?
I don't think anyone... Well, it's about acknowledgement.
I mean, it is a pretty big deal when you look around every day.
When I go for a walk with the dog...
In the woods, and look at the cathedral-like magnificence of the lime trees towering above me.
At a certain time of year, I think we're coming up soon, where the bees go mad for the linden flowers.
And you think, well, God made all this, and he made me.
And he made, you know, everyone else too.
It's a pretty big deal.
I can understand why he feels that we ought to be grateful in return.
We should be grateful.
But I don't want to talk specifically about these questions because I don't mean him, I just mean general.
But for example, that very famous baptism people were subjected to recently.
A baptism is not supposed to be some strange, vain, photographed, naked, Hugging in the Thames.
We're now so narcissistic as a society that people can actually look at something like that and imagine it's honest.
And they can imagine it's honest, and that if that was honest, it wouldn't of itself prove everything that's wrong.
I'm talking now about Rosserban, who I hate, so I don't want to talk about him.
I didn't guess at all.
I had no idea when you were talking about a baptism in the Thames involving some terrible people.
I had no idea what you were on about.
But Tanya, isn't it sad, lowering the conversation, lowering the tone a second, isn't it sad that probably even Christian Bear Grylls is not probably one of us?
Well no, of course not.
I just can't believe that people, and it's my fault because I just mentioned him and I shouldn't have done it.
You did.
It's beneath me.
It's your fault.
It's beneath me, it's beneath me.
Yeah, repent, darling, repent.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry to all your wonderful listeners that I diminished our conversation in such a way, but I do think that these people that are held up in the public eye, you don't need, it's this whole nonsense about controlled opposition.
Anybody that is so controlled by their own ego that everything they say is a contradiction before the end of the sentence, it doesn't matter if they're controlled opposition or not.
Of course they're controlled.
They're controlled by their own narcissism.
They're totally irrelevant to you.
So there's no hiding there.
Who cares if somebody can move them this way or that way because they've done something terrible, because they've got photographs on them, or because something happened to them in their childhood, or whatever the reason is.
If you can just move someone one way or the other with money or with compliments, then they're controlled anyway, aren't they?
But just by their own ego.
And none of these people are hiding.
They're so obviously They so obviously don't have any control over themselves at all in any way that's of any value to any person that they are irrelevant.
And the fact that there are so many of them and that people can... So lots of people say that the followings are fake anyway.
So you can just be given 6 million or 7 million followers by Twitter or Five or six million views on something.
It can just be given to you by the algorithm.
It doesn't even have to be real.
But I don't even think it's that.
I think it's this whole big numbers thing.
There's a huge difference between charisma.
I love charismatic people.
I've seen a lot of charismatic people on stage in my time.
I think they're amazing.
It's a unique gift.
It's an extraordinary manifestation of personality.
But these grotesque, Laughable narcissists who are masturbating in the public square are an insult.
I can't believe I've given it any of my attention, but I just did.
There has been, Tonya, there has been a masturbation theme in your commentary.
I know!
It's because of this revolting advert with this razor.
It's clearly got to you.
It's really upset me because I'm with my children all the time feeling obsessed about what they have to look at.
I'm so cross I take a photograph of it.
That's how cross you were.
Tonya, you know... Pictures of the sky and adverts that make me furious.
I have this horse that I ride called Barnaby.
And when he wants to have a horse piss, which are fantastic pisses that horses have, his eyes go a kind of milky colour.
And I'm wondering whether you see... Are my eyes going a milky colour?
Will you excuse me just like one second?
Because I'm dying for piss.
I want to finish this off without me going.
Will you give me one second?
Sorry about that.
I, um... I need to understand being a friend.
As one gets older, one's bladder control gets... Don't say this.
I did get to see the swallows.
Every year, outside the bathroom, there are these swallows.
And you see them arriving, and then you see them going in and out of where they've put their nests.
And you see the male and the female getting increasingly frantic as the brood hatches.
Yeah, I mean, swallows, they require so much Are you presenting this as some kind of compensation for your weakening bladder?
I was moving things on to the sort of the eternal.
Because the swallow is one of the ways that we observe the changing season, you know, the first swallow and all that.
And every year I see these swallows making their nests and I wonder whether it's going to be the last time I see them.
Either trivially because I move house or whether I'm going to get offed or whether it's going to be blown up by a, you know, in a war or something.
And so there's the swallows and also there's the bee orchids which are just coming out now.
Have you seen bee orchids?
I don't think I have.
They're fantastic.
I will send you, I will take a photograph of one and I will send it to you.
They look like bumblebees and they are beautiful and there's this path that they appear on and you've got to, you look for them very carefully and you look and you look and you look, you're looking throughout May and nothing and then suddenly About this time of year, early June, they just suddenly appear.
And you think, how can I not have seen that?
And you think, well, probably it's because it wasn't there.
They just come up.
All these wonderful gifts that we're given, that we should celebrate more.
But I think also it's this, James, it's that everything, even Christianity itself, why do we imagine that that's just finished now and that we should put it on a shelf and wait for the millennium?
Even this idea of the rapture that I know some people are very attached to, but it's again this idea that you can stop now.
Everything's been done.
You just have to wait and then someone else will come along and do things for you.
And I see it all the time when people get to a certain point in their career or their life and they think, oh, I've done it now.
All I have to do is make sure nothing changes at all.
I can just watch TV and make sure that nothing changes and everything's going to be OK.
But life isn't like that.
It dies and it comes back to life and the energy has to move along.
And this is a philosophy that we're contending with, where the idea that you can stop everything now, you can take all of the resources into your own hands, this is obviously the NWO, and then you can distribute it and you can have complete control and keep everything stable so that nothing grows or develops or evolves anymore.
Well, I just don't believe in that.
And I think that the only way that that poisonous philosophy can get to people like you is when you Stop thinking, as you obviously do, you're celebrating the new life, and you're celebrating your swallows, and you're celebrating this, but you're also having that unsettled feeling that it could be taken from you at any moment.
You want to keep it as it is.
I think we just have to accept that everything is going to keep on moving, and even if there's a horrible patch ahead, there's going to be a beautiful thing afterwards.
But it would be much better for something awful to happen.
Than for people just to sink deeper into this sleep.
The only way out of this is energy.
So it doesn't really matter where it comes from.
What matters is that the energy has to keep moving because it's going to.
And it's either going to go entirely to these megalomaniacs who then have complete control over our energy by distributing the sources of our energy, our money, our food, our movement.
And it's a total, even if you bought into this and you did everything that you were told to do and you got all of your digital IDs and you took all of your injections and you patiently died slowly and gratefully, it's a totally, and you imagine that you were free, it's a totally fake freedom with no responsibility in it.
So it doesn't really matter what happens to us.
I don't think it matters.
I don't want to suffer in any way.
I want to have a nice time.
I want to stay in some fancy hotels and look at some beautiful churches and hot places and I want to swim in the sea and I want to see my children grow up and have everything I want.
But I don't want to do any of those things as a slave where I'm waiting to be given my pass and I've gratefully accepted my orange and then I've diligently Yes, yes.
done my day's work for something evil, it would be better to fight and die and not get to do those things than it would be to give a living death to my children.
Yes, yes.
Do you think, do you think that if one were capable of living a totally godly life that, I mean, for example, there's a for example, there's a line in Psalm 37 about the godly, which says, they shall not be confounded in the perilous time and in the days of dearth, they shall not be confounded in
They shall have enough.
So I'm thinking, okay, by that token, suppose there's a, there's World War Three and there's no food anywhere and people are going around sort of eating each other, a bit like in, um, in the road, you know, they've got marauding gangs and there's no food anywhere.
Um, if you are one of the godly, is God, God gonna see that In days of dearth you'll have enough?
Where's the food going to arrive from?
Miracles?
Well, I think you might be looking at it the wrong way.
So, if you read these horrible psychological studies of people who are tortured for experiments or in camps, you see that the intellectuals suffer because they're more susceptible to Different kind of interrogation techniques because they can't hold on to one idea.
They're too easy to manipulate because they're trying to follow every different angle.
And in that way, the simplicity of faith, which is super rational, the idea that you can rationalize faith is a lie.
And it's just a way of having that kind of system is when you're using religion, not for God, but for power.
So, religion and reason are not the same thing.
Faith is beyond reason, it's above reason, in my opinion.
But obviously, if you have a simple faith, then you're much better off in those high-pressure situations.
And similarly, if you have a simple faith, you're not going to be tortured in the same way as if you can't hold on to anything.
And I think, also, some of these things... The faith that you'll be given what you need, Already takes out a lot of anxiety, doesn't it?
I think anxiety is the enemy of anything.
And also, how much do we really need?
You know, not what we think we do.
I'm not even sure that we'll be reached in this way.
I think we'll probably be I was saying earlier how these people that do these experiments are sadists and Pavlov is a really good example of an absolutely evil sadist.
He once had a situation where his dogs, there was a flood in one of his horrible hellish Anyway, there was a flood, and it turned out that in this flood, as the dogs broke out of their cages, the totally tame dogs became completely wild, and the totally wild dogs became completely tame.
And he obviously thought this was so interesting that he started torturing dogs in this way, to work out this wild-tame-tame-wild combination.
Absolutely sick.
I think none of us know how we'll react, but I do think that they can see the difference between how different characters are moved in different ways, because they can apply to the dog, they can apply to the human.
Hopefully we remember that we are not beasts.
But I do think that So none of us really know how we'll react, but I do think that the most obvious way that they get people to do stuff is actually not by taking things away, but it's by giving them treats.
So you know how they gave a doctor £10 a head extra to poison a child with these injections?
They did that to get hundreds of thousands of people participating in this, but they've only had to take one doctor and punish her with a review for not injecting that disabled man, Tom.
You know, the doctor who's declined.
So they're making Who was it that said, sometimes a crime is so great that it serves everybody to pretend it hasn't happened?
This crime is so great, it suits everybody to pretend it's not happened.
But it is happening.
And I think that the way it's happened has not been by really taking that much away from anybody.
It's by giving them extra treats and privileges.
I'm not worried about being denied stuff.
I'm not worried actually.
I'll be worried if I see something happening to my children.
I'm not worried otherwise.
I'm not worried about being hungry.
I'm not worried.
That's good.
It's clear that I've got my work cut out.
I've got to do more.
I've got to learn more psalms and spend even more time meditating on the eternal.
Well, maybe I'll break later.
I felt very miserable this morning, but I feel fine now, James.
Maybe I just needed some James therapy.
Oh, well, I'm glad to have done my bit.
I just don't know how people are going to feel about this.
I really like podcasts because I never know where they're going to go.
And you really are super intelligent.
And it's not that all my other guests are thick as pig shit, but I always feel quite challenged talking to you, despite your appearance, which would not necessarily lead one to think that you're intelligent.
I'm looking rather wimpy at the moment, so you're being brainless.
Well, you see, lucky I can't see because you're just a blur.
It records locally, so presumably you will be clear for... Actually, I wanted to tell you about an annoying thing.
And I think it's going to push buttons for lots of people who are...
In the situation that we're in, where one half of the marriage is completely awake and the other half is not.
So, I was watching this interview that David Irving had given, probably in the 1980s, and he was talking about something which I found jolly interesting, which was about how Hitler, as you probably know, was fanatically pro-British.
He loved the British, and his favourite film was Lives of the Bengal Lancers, which although was American-made, was essentially about British imperial life and stuff.
And he liked all that and he was very, very reluctant to bomb any British cities because he didn't want, you know, didn't want to damage the architecture and stuff.
And so he gave the order, you know, to his Luftwaffe, you cannot bomb cities.
You can bomb military installations, you can bomb ports, but you cannot bomb cities.
And Churchill, who was much more evil than I think we are told, well, yeah, much more evil than we're told, saw this as a threat because he thought, well, how am I going to get America into the war?
Sorry about the flashing, by the way.
How am I going to get America into the war if I cannot portray Hitler as totally evil and us as being complete victims to all this?
So he ordered his bombers to bomb Berlin, which they did.
And Hitler said, this is an outrage, but I'm not going to retaliate.
So Churchill did it a second day, and a third day, and a fourth day, and a fifth day, and a sixth day, and a seventh day.
And after the seventh attack on Berlin, Hitler could take it no more and said, right, OK, you've had it.
It's all out war.
And that was the beginning of what sold to us as the Blitz, you know, the destruction of places like Coventry and so on.
So anyway.
I was trying to explain all this, relaying all this information, which I found genuinely interesting, to the wife.
And what did she do?
She instantly started looking on Google and trying to find sources to counter my point, to prove that I was wrong, because this couldn't possibly be so, because Churchill's a goody and Hitler's a baddy.
And sure enough, she found some, you know, that said no, contrary to Britain, that Hitler attacked British cities first.
And I said to her, look, you're using a compromised system.
The whole of the World War Two narrative is a lie.
All the people who own the internet sites are pushing a particular narrative.
So you can't trust these sources that they've had?
How many years is it, 80 years since the end of the Second World War, to tinker with history, tinker with the evidence, tinker with everything?
And of course, when you try and point out what your source of information is, and you say David Irving, people have been trained instantly to go, David Irving, Holocaust denier, evil.
David Irving, the guy who went and worked in a German factory to perfect his German so that he could go through the Bundesarchiv and all the military records and was the preeminent military historian of his day and then completely lost his career because the establishment destroyed him.
This is what we're up against.
I don't know what the answer is because you can't win with facts, can you?
Well, I have Two takes on that, really.
The first is that it's very similar, if you look at the moment, to Putin.
With people on our side, because he has these wonderful Churchillian speeches, and he appears to be making sense, and they can see that our governments have been lying, and they assume, when they read a great speech by him, that he must be closer to the truth than what they think.
Yes!
I understand being a liar.
Really the only thing to give away Putin to a non-Russian speaking person like myself is how much Botox he's had.
There's otherwise nothing really that could flag him up as wrong.
But I'm not talking now about Ukraine, I'm talking about people that have been presented with these stories that they know to be untrue, don't suddenly have faith in the media just because of this new narrative.
But I think you have to sometimes look at the bigger stories that all of these people participated in Putin obviously has sold the vaccine to his people, just like our governments did.
He's sold all of the same space races, all of the same big lies that people can agree are big lies.
So in that regard, does it matter?
Obviously it does to you at the moment because this is interesting, but whether somebody bombed a city to provoke a bombing back so that they could present something in such and such a way, All of these people, to one extent or another, are doing these wicked things, aren't they?
They are destroying our cities.
How many millions of Germans died under Hitler?
I mean, these people are profoundly evil.
They're evil.
I don't know.
I can't agree with your point about Putin.
I'm not sure of the relevance of this.
I'm saying that there were these big wars that lots and lots of people died in.
Do you agree with that, even?
Yeah, I know.
I think you're kind of missing my point, with respect, which is that I'm not really trying to... My point is not that Hitler is a goodie.
I totally agree with what you say about Putin, by the way.
You only have to look.
Putin was headhunted by Kissinger.
Putin was Kissinger's placeman, and anyway, Putin does not run Russia, but that's a different point.
My much more gentle and actually more important point is that everything we're told about history is a lie.
And I'm much more interested in the fact that Churchill was a conniving bastard than I am that Hitler was fond of Britain and was into the idea of restraint.
That's the more significant point and I think that... But for me, there's zero chance I'd have those conversations.
So my father is a huge fan of Churchill.
I would never have those conversations.
Sometimes I don't even look at these things because I think, oh, I'll make the wrong face when they come up.
And as for my other half, I'm not like you.
I think you still hope to get on.
I've just abandoned the idea of... I'm never going to... I just...
I mean, I don't know how bad.
I don't want to.
But I mean, I think once people have really misunderstood the last few years, I mean, really, how are they expected to understand the Second World War?
Or how?
How are they supposed to not just be constantly trying to prove that you're having a nervous breakdown?
The whole I mean, the number of times people have Googled something to fact-check me on stuff that is now officially being fact-checked the other way around is risible.
But they would just see this fact-checking as a self-writing mechanism that works.
It's insane to look anything up on Google.
I mean, you did earlier.
Obviously, they're changing the language.
They're changing all of the things that used to have some kind of moral or emotional significance.
The word virgin, the word sky, the word green.
You know, everything is now commerce.
Everything is a label.
Everything is a business.
The definitions of words, I've talked about this before, but the definitions of words, pernicious or efficient, they've all been the working examples in the online dictionaries.
They've all been changed to sell climate change.
That we are in such a terrible situation in terms of being manipulated that the idea that you could...
Truth bomb.
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Literally truth bomb.
I think, wow, I think your relationship is way better than I am here.
No, no, Tanya.
What it is is I'm suicidally stupid.
I don't learn from experience.
Anyway, we said we weren't going to go on for... We don't want to be Joe Rogan.
No, we can't go on for more than an hour, I said.
because he's a woman um so um yeah no i think he is That's the theory.
I was going to give a really sexist example, which would be particularly cruel in your case.
But I am genuinely desperate to ask your take on some of these things just from a purely gossipy way.
I was going to give a really sexist example, which would be particularly cruel in your case.
I was going to say, do you know how you can tell Joe Rogan's a woman?
Well, you're being going to be nasty because he's got tits.
Is that what you're saying?
No, because he's supposed to be a comedian and he's not funny.
But I realised that actually you are female and you are actually, I've seen you, you are actually genuinely funny.
So you are kind of one of the exceptions that proves the rule.
But yeah, that is one of the tells, I think.
He's like somebody pretending to be a man.
Like a woman pretending to be a man.
Interesting.
I don't listen to him so I wouldn't know.
He pretends to be a bro and he's just like not.
I could be wrong.
So many people pretend to do that.
All of these people and this stuff is so derivative.
We have to go.
I haven't practiced my scales.
James, this is a disaster.
Go and practice your scale and I'll go and study the bee orchids.
Remind me, I will send you a photograph of the bee orchids so you can see what they look like.
Thank you.
Okay, tell people where they can see you and find your stuff and things.
There's actually, please, everybody that hasn't seen Bob's show, we put it online, artpocalypse.co.uk.
Please, I would like as many people to see that as possible, because obviously we can't do it because we get cancelled so boring.
And then Alistair and I are doing a stand-up show, Top Secret, in July, where we're doing new stuff.
Oh, that'll be good.
Yeah, it'll be fun.
We get on really well, and he's got some really good jokes at the moment, so it'll be fun.
And I've got a good new thing I'm working on.
I'm actually looking forward to doing it, which is good.
And then, um, and my sub stack.
That's it.
Called?
Oh, I don't know.
Is it called Tonya Edwards?
That's the thing.
That's good.
Can I say to people, actually, genuinely, that you really should go and see Tanya and Alistair because they're really funny.
Between you two, it'd be enough.
When you are old, it will be a laugh.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay.
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