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welcome to delingpod good to see you back james that's good to see you too um i want to hear all about your tnt um The explosion.
Do you remember a few, when you started out, you said, mate, come on, come on my TNT show, because they might be interested in recruiting you as a, as a, as a TNT presenter.
And I didn't hear anything.
I do remember.
I do remember.
And I have to say, with hindsight, I'm kind of glad... I don't know whether I would accept it anyway, but I'm glad I didn't get the call.
Because... Well, I know that they were looking for talent, and you're talented, so... But, you know... But, I mean, I enjoyed your show.
I mean, it must have been quite relentless, having to... How much were you doing?
How many days were you there?
I was daily.
Wow.
And you were having to find how many guests?
Well, initially when I started it was three times a week, but two hours for each show.
So it would have been two guests per show.
So it was six guests.
And then I changed to daily for one hour at a time.
So it was basically one guest for every show.
So about five guests.
Yeah, there you go.
So five guests per week.
It's quite difficult, isn't it, finding five?
I mean, finding guests at all.
It is, but it depends on, like, if you've got a formula, if you have a sequence of talking points that you tend to cover, if you've got regular guests, it does become easier.
Yeah, yeah.
But why do you think, I mean, what's going on there?
I don't know.
There's definitely, in my opinion, as I said in my statement, there are management issues.
I think that no company should have a high staff turnover like that.
Whether it's by resignation or by being fired, that's not a good sign.
And I think at the end of the day, one needs to...
One needs to win, I think, rapport with your staff.
I understand if you've got a vision.
I get it.
And the idea is good.
I mean, I think TNT is a great concept, and I think it's a very, very needed entity in the alternative space, James.
But it takes a lot more than just, you know, doing shows, I think.
Yeah.
But here's the thing.
You and I know that there's been a massive move by The enemy, for want of a better word, to hijack the alternative media and the alternative alternative media.
I mean, we know that GB News is controlled opposition news.
I mean, that's obvious.
TNT, it seemed to me sort of okay, but I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, the term controlled opposition I think gets used a little bit too much.
At the end of the day, TNT is a great concept, and hopefully it will survive this purge that has happened.
You know, remember in the 90s, nobody had any hope for Apple.
They had like 2% of the market and Microsoft had like 98% or something and it was completely fringe and then suddenly Apple took over.
And why did Apple take over?
There was great vision and there was a lot of coherence.
The problem with the independent space is there is a lot of infighting.
A lot of people fighting one another.
And that is how you lose.
That is not a great strategy, right?
So if you have a lot of infighting in the alternative independence space, we're never going to make progress.
And the enemy, as you called it, will always dominate.
I don't know, Jim.
I think you and I differ slightly there.
I think it's really important that we are ever mindful that A lot of people in our sphere are going to be compromised and I don't buy into this idea that we need to we need to unite and why can't we all just get along?
The reason we can't all get along is because we're full of our movement.
It's not that it is a movement is is is full of full of fifth columnists.
I do agree and I absolutely in fact are very much agree, but I think It depends on what your goal is.
You know what I mean?
Let's talk about 9-11.
This is a lovely one.
There's an official narrative, and that official narrative has dominated for two decades now.
The majority of people around you, if you go to the shop or sit on an airplane or whatever, will still think that Muslims took over airplanes and they flew them into the towers and jet fuel melted the steel and everything fell and there we go.
Is that not what happened?
This sounds like a real shock you've got coming for me.
Are you going to tell me that that isn't...
What?
How could this be?
No, no, no, come on.
Osama Bin Laden, he was evil, right?
He was in a cave.
Yeah, he was this grey-haired Muslim guy in a cave and he had a Nokia 3310 and he orchestrated the largest terrorist attack on US soil.
I mean, that's what happened, right?
Why would the mainstream lie?
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
Anyway, sorry, carry on, I interrupted.
But the point is now you have a lot of people starting to question that official story, and that official story is filled with different arguments, for example.
Oh, totally, yeah, yeah.
So you'll have mini-nukes and controlled demolition and directed energy weapons, and they all have very, very persuasive aspects to them.
Yeah.
But if you want to dominate with that official narrative, what do you do?
Well, you apply the art of war thinking, which is win without fighting.
Just insert, as you say, fifth columnists into the opposition arguments and let them fight amongst themselves.
And that way they'll always look like clowns, and that way you will hold onto your official position for yet another 20 years.
And what I'm trying to say is that A lot of the opposition arguments have got overlapping positions.
Those, I think, are what can, bit by bit, take down the official position so that when you sit on an airplane and the person next to you says, what?
Do people actually think that Muslims flew planes into the towers?
That's kind of where you want to go.
Yeah.
You don't want people saying to you, oh man, you're such a moron, what a clown, you know?
And so the point is that there are common grounds in the alternative independent space, and there are definitely fifth columnists.
I don't know how you Discern, but you have to try and discern.
You smell.
You smell.
Yes.
You use your Matthew Hopkins witch finder instincts.
What Christians call discernment.
The number of times you hear from Christians, you know, yeah, use your discernment.
I've got discernment.
And they think, you know, just because they've got sort of a cross on their Twitter profile.
A purple cross.
They've got these special powers and it so ain't the case.
But yeah, I know what you're saying.
Do you know what really annoys me?
Well, one of the many things that annoys me.
is people on our side who act who appoint themselves as gatekeepers for what is an acceptable conspiracy theory and what isn't so they'll say things like yes I agree the ones who say oh you can't talk about flat earth because obviously flat earth was invented to discredit us or I mean people used to say that more about chemtrails I think we're reaching the point where Look up?
Hello?
It's so blindingly obvious.
I don't know what... Has it been bad in South Africa?
We've had the worst, the worst winter here.
We've had the wettest February.
Wettest February on record.
And it's not like you can't see it.
You know, I get up at seven to walk the dog.
And the skies are clear and you see the these so-called contrails crisscrossing the sky and remarkably these contrails become these they spread out and you're thinking that's not what contrails I think even the word contrail that con contrail I think maybe that was invented to We don't really have that problem here though because this is Africa and it's very chaotic here.
A lot of stuff is just broken and inefficient and ineffective so there is a blessing in disguise.
You mean you're telling me you have clear skies?
Yeah, definitely.
More often than not.
So, the downside is that you live in a country where you can't go for a car journey without risking being... No, no, no, no, stop it.
People, how do I decline?
Decline!
Decline!
People who ring me out of the blue, this is one of my pet hates, people who ring me out of the blue on my mobile phone, I don't understand the mentality.
You can do it on a landline, that's acceptable, but not on a mobile phone.
Is it okay to call?
You send them a WhatsApp?
Do you have landlines still?
I do.
I'm old school.
I'm older than you.
I like it.
Retro.
It feels wrong to me that this invention, this device that you carry around and people can get hold of you when they want.
That shouldn't be the deal.
Yeah, there is something about that.
You're right.
It's a very good point that you're making.
In the old days, if you were in the room where the phone was sitting and you decided you wanted to go and answer it, you could.
But now, It's wherever you go.
Yeah.
Anyway, so we were talking about chemtrails and it's mad here.
A lot of people are getting very, very depressed by it.
Sorry, I just want to point out, there are pros and cons.
So, you live in a country, and I need to make this clear, you live in a country where things work.
So, you've got to choose your battles here.
So, I mean, I was just in Europe a few months ago, and it's beautiful.
It's amazing.
People don't worry about the things that we worry about here.
So, while you might be worrying about chemtrails, and it's a real thing, I have to try and focus on how to power my house, because we have rolling blackouts.
So it depends on which battle you want to fight.
You know what?
That was what I was going to say.
I was actually going to use the example of, you can't get into a car without worrying you're going to get hijacked and macheted to death.
Yeah, well, more so in Johannesburg than in Cape Town.
Exactly, that's the point.
When you live in South Africa, or at least in Africa, generally speaking, it's a pretty big continent, but it's all failed states, right?
You choose your battles that you want to fight.
There is a beauty about the chaos.
There is a sense of freedom, a sense of liberty that does come with chaos, I must just say.
A lot of people don't like that because it means taking responsibility, it means thinking for yourself.
But, you know, in Europe, when everything is done for you, you can quickly see how technocrats would use that as an opportunity to create a 15-minute city, you know, and enslave you without you even knowing, James.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it is a great source of frustration to people who are, for want of a better word, awake.
That people can't see.
I mean, okay, so they're using the slow boiling frog technique.
But even so, it just seems obvious to me.
You only have to look at how the world was 10, 20 years ago.
I've noticed, for example, that whenever I watch films made prior to, say, I think 2010 was about the cutoff point.
It's a different world.
It's massively different.
It was so much nicer back then.
It was so much nicer.
Did you ever watch the movie Contagion?
I don't think I did.
That was Predictive Programming, wasn't it?
It's very eerie.
So, I had never heard of it until about 2020.
And it came out, I think, in 2012.
And so, because of the lockdown and everything, my wife and I watched it.
And, wow, James!
Yes, if it is Predictive Programming, then that is a great example.
Because in the movie, they talk about a coronavirus.
Number one.
Number two, they talk about lockdowns and wait for it, social distancing.
There's a term I had never heard in my life.
They cede the term.
I'd never heard that term until 2020.
Yeah, yeah.
And it was in a movie eight years earlier.
It's looking back at the films one watched.
It's very hard to find a film that isn't in some way Doing the enemy's work for them in a subtle way.
Now, whether it's because the directors were on board with the program and are in the service of evil, or whether it's just they sort of absorb these ideas by osmosis with the people they hang out with and someone somewhere is seeing them, I don't know.
I mean, there are obvious ones like Rosemary's Baby.
But I mean, I think horror films are they serve several purposes one of which is to keep us in a constant state of fear, which is you know, how they how they control us, but they also seed ideas invasion of the body snatchers is an absolute classic where you know, spoiler alert.
You've got Donald Sutherland who's One of the few people holding out against this contagion.
These pods that turn people into creatures of the zombie system.
And at the end, your guy, Donald Sutherland, he too is Or whatever it is.
Whee!
Whatever noise he makes.
And that is very much the case, isn't it?
It's designed to make you feel like there is no hope.
Yeah, everyone's gonna fall.
Do you have that view though?
That there is no hope?
Are you completely blackballed in that sense?
Well, I'm white-pilled.
I went very briefly through the black-pilled stage.
But yes, to the extent that I don't think that we're all going to rally together and we're going to fight our way out of this, it ain't going to happen.
Yeah, I mean, which isn't, I'm not arguing that we shouldn't do what we can.
I see the mission of people like you and me, we are sort of prophets if you want to use a grand word to describe it, but we spread the word.
We tell people like it is, and we use our abilities to enlighten people, to wake people up.
I mean, I'm not going to be much use at the barricades.
I just haven't got the phenotype.
I haven't got the, you know, I'm a skinny, I mean, I'm good for riding on a horse, but I don't think there's going to be much cavalry action.
And I think foxes.
Yeah, but I don't think that's going to solve anything.
It's just going to distract me before the end times come.
I don't know where you are on your Christian journey, but I'm really into the Bible.
Every evening I really look forward to reading the Bible.
It's not boring.
It's a great book.
There's so much truth in there and it's great stories.
I mean really weird stories like Lot's Daughters.
You know about Lot's Daughters?
And the whole turning to salt thing?
Well, there's that.
I agree, turning to a pool of salt is weird, but when lots of daughters get their father drunk and have sex with him while he's asleep because they want some children.
I thought you were talking about Game of Thrones?
I mean, you don't need Game of Thrones, do you?
But yeah, so there's lots of weirdness in there, but there's lots of, you know, prophetic truth.
And it's not like we haven't been told that what's coming.
It was planned.
It was, this is the deal.
And you read through the Old Testament and God is constantly getting really, really peed off with his chosen people.
They're constantly backsliding, falling into the old ways.
Did you say chosen people?
Well, I mean the children of Israel are.
Right, right.
Okay, just so we're clear, because these days there's a lot of confusion over who the Chosen are.
Well, that's because they've arranged it that way, you know.
It's not biblically correct.
I think that's a given, you know.
We don't want to get the podcast censored, so we won't use terms.
No, no, no, no.
The Children of Israel, let's just say, are a very distinct entity, and I'm very careful about my terms.
The children of Israel are the descendants of the sons of Jacob.
I mean, that's the deal.
We know their names because we've all seen Joseph and his amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat.
Listen, I just want to segue there, because I am a huge fan of theatre, and I think it's one of the last bastions of high society and tradition.
So we went to the theatre last night, and we went again a few months ago, and we try and go as often as possible, because I think it's- Was it called The Lion King?
No.
No, I haven't seen that.
Do they have other players apart from the Lion King in South Africa?
We watched Mamma Mia last night.
I thought you were going to shock me and impress me with something really highbrow.
We saw this thing about Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.
No, we went to go see some ABBA songs.
And you know how much fun it was?
It was so uplifting.
It really was.
We left in such a good mood.
I'm not a big ABBA fan and I don't know much about them and I think they're from Sweden or something.
But am I supposed to know about them?
You don't know about ABBA?
No, I mean, I know that, you know, gay folks love them.
Every drag club plays ABBA songs.
But you like the music.
I like some of the songs.
How can you not?
No, no, I like some of the songs.
It's very well-written music.
But it was so much fun seeing a live band on stage and everybody singing the songs and obviously doing the movie.
I mean, it's all based, I don't know if it's based on the movie or if the movie's based on a stage production or whatever.
But my point, James, is that people need to go to the theatre.
It was wonderful seeing that that place was a full house.
I love the fact that there are still people supporting stage productions.
I don't care what it is.
Yes, I agree.
I went to this thing the other night.
What we have now, I don't think it's come to South Africa yet, is this thing where cinemas do special nights once a month, maybe, where they do live relays of, say, a production at the National Theatre.
What is that?
What do you mean a live relay?
So you go to the cinema and it's as if you're at the National Theatre in London watching this new play.
Except you haven't got to go to the trouble of taking the train to London and paying inflated prices.
Oh, that's interesting.
Yeah.
Um, it's good.
It's good because the seats are much more, we've got this cinema where the seats are much, much more comfortable than, well, certainly the West End.
I mean, the West End theaters are really, really uncomfortable.
It's like being in coach class on an airplane.
That sounds interesting.
It was good.
Um, I went to see this play about the, um, the Richard Burton Hamlet.
Which was... Oh, I know about it!
Do you?
Mmm.
It's very good.
It's got Jerome Flynn.
I don't know the actors.
No, it's not Jerome Flynn.
What's he called?
Johnny Flynn, Johnny Flynn.
I think Jerome Flynn was the one who was in Game of Thrones, wasn't he?
Anyway, yeah.
I can't remember.
Johnny Flynn does a really good Richard Burton.
And you've got Mark Gatiss from League of Gentlemen playing Johnny, Johnny Gielgud.
And it's about the tension between a sort of classical actor.
I mean, Johnny Gielgud was probably the greatest classical actor.
And Richard Burton, who was all about...
All about being a star or all about his personality and imposing his personality on the role and stuff Anyway, it was it was good.
It was I'm with you on the theater.
Yeah, I make the argument So I make this argument quite quite regularly that I don't really care what what you go and watch at the theater So long as you go to the theater it it's a dying Well, it's sort of like vinyl records.
I guess it'll never die, but it will become niche.
But theatre has been around for thousands of years.
People have always loved stage productions.
It's a lot less forgiving than, say, film, because it's live and they can forget their lines and they can, you know, trip and fall and all those sorts of things.
But even if it means going to watch Mamma Mia or The Lion King, just go and support those actors.
Because it is a remnant of society that once was, you know?
And it's just beautiful.
I think it gives you a chance to dress up a little bit.
I really, really get so annoyed when people go to the, let's say, beautiful theatre in shorts.
I mean, come on!
How disrespectful is that?
You should at least dress up a little bit, because they go through a lot of effort to make the theatre beautiful.
The actors go through a lot of work, the band goes through, the orchestra goes through a lot of work, so just put on something decent because when else do you do that other than at a wedding or a funeral?
I would suspect that people going to the theatre in shorts is more of a South African thing, because you've got the climate for it.
We have the climate, yes, but it's really terrible.
I mean, I hate seeing that.
You know, we were there last night and there were these Okay, shame.
Well, hmm, I don't know.
Maybe it is their fault, but there were these, like, fat women with tattoos all over the place, and they wore these terrible, terrible dresses that were just hanging loose, and it's... I mean, come on!
You know, put a bit of effort in!
Although, you see, I'm now so far down the rabbit hole.
Let me try an idea on you.
The people who run the world, And the people who've always run the world, they control us through probably the most powerful compulsion that we all have, which is to tell stories.
We make sense of the world through stories.
So what they do, I mean, that, that, that, um, Aeschylus or whatever, the Greek tragedians, um, or comedians would have We've created these narratives which in one way or another are part of the population control device of the elite.
I've often wondered who is exempt from this?
Who is a goodie and who is a baddie?
So Shakespeare, for example.
I've done a couple of podcasts on this.
Was he a bit of a slob?
He was undoubtedly a psyop, but that doesn't mean that Shakespeare is not eminently quotable.
Yeah, same as the Beatles.
For obvious reasons.
Same as the Beatles.
Exactly.
He's quotable because quotes stick in your head and so on, and he changed the language.
I mean, I'm not arguing that the works of Shakespeare are rubbish.
But we do know, thanks to people like my friend Alexander Waugh, that Shakespeare, that the man from Stratford did not write Shakespeare.
It's just rubbish.
I mean, I'm of the party, I'm of the Oxfordian party that...
The Earl of Oxford, Edward de Vere, headed a scriptorium, including most of the best playwrights of the day.
I think not Marlowe, but most of the others, paid for by Elizabeth I. I mean, we even have the receipts of when she transferred that money.
And the scriptorium produced Yeah, art, but it was also political propaganda.
So if Shakespeare, the greatest playwright ever, was compromised, then you wonder who wasn't.
Or look at Geoffrey Chaucer.
Geoffrey Chaucer was one with the court.
I mean, up until the 19th century, pretty much, you couldn't survive without some form of aristocratic patronage.
Yeah, but I think A segway to what you're saying, and it's very important since we're on this thread, is people often go, ah, how can you waste your time at bread and circuses and all that sort of thing, right?
You have to find time to waste.
If you don't, you will slit your wrists.
You will take antidepressants.
You will commit suicide.
You will live a miserable life.
Human nature is something that we forget.
It's very, very important to be able to be entertained.
We have always wanted entertainment.
It's an incredibly important part of our life.
Whether you be entertained by playing Football on the beach, or you, whatever, play a bit of rugby, or you watch something mindless, or whatever.
As long as you do that, and you're able to switch back into your correct mode afterwards, and you're not consumed by those couple hours, I think that's very healthy.
And it's very, very important, I think, for our own benefit that we do that.
So, you can read a comic.
I've got comic books behind me.
I'm surrounded by comic books.
Bread and circuses, maybe, but very important.
You know what I mean?
When I was living in London, there was a park opposite where I lived, and there was this, you know, hard football, what are they called?
You know, football place where you play football with wire around it.
And every Sunday, we used to play football, you know, the sort of the dads and a real mixture of music students from all over the world.
And, you know, it was a real mix of races and classes and everything.
And it was just great.
We really, really enjoyed it.
And you came away thinking that was fantastic.
I would like to compare and contrast that with the experience I had a couple of nights ago where I had to sit in front of the TV watching, because my son desired it, watching England versus Brazil.
And I watched these people.
Kicking a ball round this pitch and not scoring many goals.
I was very happy.
I don't know, it's really wrong, but I'm always happy when the other side wins, when they get beaten, because I just think, you know...
I can't bear the way so many of my compatriots invest so much emotional energy in whether or not their kicky ball team wins or loses against a bunch of foreigners.
It's just pathetic.
And I noticed the propaganda being Being beamed around the special advert advertising hoardings now where they can just change the words and and and and there was something about the importance about giving girls a chance to play football and I was thinking yeah, that's really what's wrong with our society.
We know we're being having people forced to take experimental medical procedures, which would kill them and our economy is being closed down and and You know, our farms are being destroyed, now skies are being sprayed, and you think the most pressing social issue right now is whether or not girls get full access to kicky ball.
It's just... And nobody's going to watch them anyway, because they're boring.
That's the reason why girls sports, female sports, are often... why they have smaller audiences, and also why they have less funding, because they're just more boring.
Girls can't do it.
They're slow.
They can't run.
I mean, I did enjoy Wimbledon, what, two, three decades ago when, I don't know, there was something fun about the 90s female players like Monica Seles and Steffi Graf.
You remember them?
You told yourself that.
But it wasn't as fun.
You were normally at that stage.
Remember Monica Lewinsky?
What was her name?
Monica Selez.
She made that funny sound every time she hit a ball and it was quite funny.
But watching the men play was way, way better because it was faster and more aggressive.
And that's the same throughout sports.
Yeah.
I mean, duh.
Obviously, women were never meant to play sport in the public eye.
And that's all changed thanks to women's suffrage.
Well, there's another rabbit hole.
I was thinking, sorry, I just suddenly remembered a thought I had while I was mowing the lawn the other day.
I was mowing the lawn Stop right there.
That's funny.
I just want to picture that.
I don't have a gardener.
Actually, that's not quite true.
There is someone who mows the lower lawn.
I was mowing the upper lawn.
And I occasionally get songs in my head which appear they're unbidden and frankly unwanted.
And the one that was in my head was, Sitting on the dock of the bay.
Who was that?
Who sang that?
I know that song.
Otis Redding is it?
Yes, I think you're right.
Yes, I think you're right.
And I was thinking, this was never a good song.
This was always a shit song.
It's just like, I don't care whether you're sitting on the top of the bay or not, and I don't care where the song goes, and then there's that sort of middle eight where it does something annoying and it's not very catchy.
Have you changed your views on some songs?
No, I don't think I ever liked that song.
I've spent my whole life being told by music of aficionados that that whole soul scene was wonderful.
It was just amazing.
If you don't like it, you've got no soul and these songs are really good and going into the kind of navel-gazing history of this movement and fetishizing the stars.
I'm thinking.
The critics who say this stuff have been participating in this in this con thing you know that the music I mean we talk about film music popular music was in was invented was devised largely to what I now realize to to
Undermine our culture to corrupt it to and this was this was the case even in the early 20th century Jazz and the blues.
Okay.
It's been sold sold to us as this this legacy of Slavery and they've got rhythm and they've got you know, they taught you know, dude.
God bless slavery It brought us rock music that that was that that was the line we were sold by all the by all the critics by Charles Charles Murray or whatever And actually, no.
It was designed to subvert black culture, for example.
I mean, the most obvious example of that is gangster rap.
The purpose of gangster rap was to get more black people in prison.
It was invented by white people, or rather produced and financed by white people, to get black people into prison.
And to create more violence and also to boost the CIA's drug industry.
That was the real purpose.
And the ostensible purpose was no, it was just a reflection of edgy It's very, very hard to find artistic products that aren't tainted by the agenda.
Yeah, there's an interesting meta point that you're making.
Steve Falconer actually brought this up in a podcast with me, a very salient point actually, and that is even if A lot of what you're saying is true, right?
And there's a lot of subversion going on in music, and of course, the entertainment industry at large.
It doesn't mean that there isn't good stuff within that, because let's just say, for example, you've now got a hip-hop artist, and whether or not you like rap is not the point, but let's say you've got a rapper who's come out of whatever, right?
Whatever his backstory is doesn't really matter, and he's good.
Yeah, straight out of Compton.
And he is good.
He might not know that he's a result of some sort of systemic subversive strategy, right?
Oh, do you reckon?
I don't know.
Have you looked into the history of P. Diddy?
Oh, yeah, yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, he's dodgy.
Yeah, he's dodgy.
No, but my point is this is that you can have you can have people.
So Steve made the point that like the Beatles, they wrote really groundbreaking music, you know, they somebody did, or somebody did whatever, whatever, but they played they played the music and and a lot of their songs still to this day are catchy.
That doesn't mean now that That the central Intel aspect of their existence doesn't exist, of course.
But you can still enjoy the entertainment part.
It's just, you've got one step ahead of the game if you know a little bit more than the average person.
That's the difference.
So, I mean, like ABBA, we spoke about at the beginning of the chat, could have been involved, without even knowing it, in some sort of central Intel game.
You can never know.
Well, except in cases like PDD.
How much they know that they are part of this?
Michael Jackson knew and I think we, I think all of us, had Michael Jackson completely wrong.
Yes, I think you're right.
I admit, I had him completely wrong for the longest time and I feel terrible because he is.
Still, in my opinion, one of the greatest pop musicians of all time.
No.
I hated all his music.
All of it.
Every single... Billie Jean!
How can you hate Billie Jean?
I particularly hate Billie Jean.
No!
Dude, that bassline!
I particularly hate all that squealing.
That bassline!
I'm not sure whether we can really go on with this podcast, if you're going to persist in claiming that Michael Jackson is in any way acceptable.
I do.
I'm with you totally.
We got the guy wrong.
Yeah, we got him.
He was a sort of MKUltra victim.
I feel sorry for him.
He tried to get out and they put a mask on him.
They gave him a monkey.
They did all sorts of things to him.
They made him have a theme park.
They completely and utterly destroyed him and we didn't see it.
We didn't see it.
You don't seriously think the Beatles wrote their own music, do you?
I've never really thought about it, if I'm being honest.
There is a tell.
Which is that you can look at almost any other band and you can listen to one of their songs and you can say that is idiomatic of the band.
That is classic.
Blur or classic Led Zeppelin, although you've got quite a lot of light and shade in Led Zeppelin You've got the folk and you've got the heaviness, but nevertheless Oh Asus I'd Well, yeah, I you know, I I was I was I was avoiding away.
This is just a sort of synthesis of the Beatles, aren't they?
but the the Beatles It's clearly that they were the work of many hands.
There is no idiomatic Beatles song.
It is so diverse.
And it's not because they were sort of multifariously talented.
It's because they were written by diverse hands.
What is it?
Theodore Adorno, was he the one that... And they had a big marketing machine behind them also.
And also, I'm sure George Martin had a lot to do with it.
I think he was their handler, I suspect.
Their monarch controller or something.
And the thing is, John Lennon, if he wrote Imagine, that song is like a full-on commie song.
Everybody sings along and they don't even know what they're singing!
I don't know what to think of John Lennon because I've heard the very compelling podcast about where Olly Damagard talks about How the man who really killed him at the Dakota building here was a, I think, a Cuban?
A Cuban?
The doorman?
What was his name?
What was his name?
Don't know.
Forgotten.
They tend to be South Americans, don't they?
The ones the Americans recruit as their killers.
And he was pretending to be the doorman in the Dakota building that Mark Chapman was a patsy.
But then I've seen equally, no, not quite as compelling, but The suggestion that Lenin is still alive and living in Canada or something or other.
You heard that one?
I have heard that.
At what point though, James, do we accept something for what it is?
Maybe John Lennon really did die.
Maybe Elvis really did die.
I don't lie awake at night wondering whether or not Lennon is alive.
I don't lie awake at night wondering whether or not Lenin is alive it's just I think that the best the best state of mind is to be open minded about everything 100% The default assumption one must have is that everything we've been told about everything is a lie.
And then what you do is you rebuild your world from the ground up.
Everything I've heard is potentially a lie.
What can I be sure of?
So when I go for a walk with my dog and I see the anemones coming up in the woods and I see the wild garlic, I know those things are real, and I know that there's nothing wrong with calling it wild garlic or ramsons, nothing wrong with calling it anemone, that's fine, that hasn't been tainted.
And you gradually rebuild your world while being sceptical about all the narratives that we're sold.
That seems to be a healthy way, and certainly never to get cocky about things like, well of course flat earth is nonsense, or well of course chemtrails aren't real, that seems to me Anyone who is awake and claims to know that they know what's true and what's not true, I think, doesn't really understand what it is to be awake.
A quote that I repeat a lot and that I apply to my life a lot is by Bruce Lee, who didn't ever compete, I understand that, but he still nevertheless made a wonderful quote in which he said, Take that which is valuable, discard that which is not, and create what is uniquely your own.
And I love that.
In other words, I can chat to somebody and not worry about the things that I disagree with, and find the value in the things with which I do agree.
In other words, I've taken the valuable stuff, I've discarded the less valuable stuff, and then after that, like you just said, I start creating a new reality.
I start piecing together the puzzle pieces.
And forming a bigger picture through the bits of nuggets, sorry, the nuggets of information that I gather from all different people and things and experiences.
I think it's a wonderful way of looking at things.
I think, look, I think we don't want to get to a stage where we can't enjoy anything because we know.
Exactly.
Because everything's been tainted.
I watched this very good film last night, which I heartily recommend.
called Beau Travail, which is a film made in the 90s, I think, by a woman director, French, about the French Foreign Legion in Djibouti.
And it's based on the Benjamin Britten opera Billy Budd.
And it's kind of homoerotic without being gay.
So you're not sitting there thinking, this is just gay propaganda.
That's one of the things that all films are.
They're all lesbian propaganda or gay propaganda.
That's part of the annoying thing.
But it wasn't saying all soldier boys are basically benders.
It wasn't saying that.
It was just a sort of beautiful, lyrical, ambiguous, Gorgeously shot film about male camaraderie and jealousy and the stark... Have you been to Djibouti?
I have not.
I've been to Djibouti.
I went on a cruise.
Not as in a big cruise ship.
I went on a sailing boat.
One of those sort of adventure things.
You were just talking about homoerotic stuff, and then you said to me you went on a cruise.
No, no, it was a ship.
It was a ship.
Right, right.
It was good, and yeah, it's very, very arid.
There's these sort of salt flats and things, and you wouldn't want to be stuck out there for very long.
You would actually go bonkers.
If you joined the Foreign Legion, the French Foreign Legion, and you got stationed in Djibouti, You be.
I mean... I think that's a great way to deal with criminals.
Yeah?
I mean... Yeah, it is.
At least they're doing something.
Yeah, but then you... then you think... then you think, okay, so what's their purpose?
They're being prepared for war.
And whose wars are they?
Bankers' wars.
Yeah.
Well, 100%.
But remember now...
Part of the art of war is always to be prepared for war.
You don't have to go to war.
You don't have to fight.
You can just prepare constantly.
It's a perpetual preparation.
That's your normal programming.
No, I don't think so.
I think in the same way that animals are prepared for war, a rhino is prepared.
It has very thick skin and it has a horn and all that sort of thing.
Well, it's got an advantage, hasn't it?
It's born with a bloody great horn on the front of its nose.
Yeah.
So, like, for example, you go for martial arts or gun training.
Hoping not to ever use it, but the preparation is important.
Obviously you don't want to fight, but you can't defeat the bankers.
So if, for whatever reason, your region gets invaded and you're not prepared, then you're in really, really big trouble.
That ship sailed long ago.
We were invaded.
Millennia ago.
True.
That's why The Body Snatchers is a better analogy than, say, Cross of Iron, which is still a great war movie.
Do you find this?
I can barely watch war movies anymore.
I struggle.
I also struggle.
Did you see Masters of the Air?
I haven't seen it, no.
Masters of the Air is on Apple TV, and it is the Air War version of Band of Brothers and Pacific.
And I loved Band of Brothers.
Pacific was pretty good, but I think there's a massive tell.
That was Banner Brothers, that Steven Spielberg thing.
Exactly.
So, you've put your finger on it.
So, I think that Spielberg is evil.
I mean, he is definitely part of the propaganda machine.
Well, he's a Zionist, so there's your first clue.
False narratives about the Second World War, and I think one of the biggest false narratives pervade in this thing about the air war, that there was any moral or tactical or strategic justification for dumping millions of tons of high explosive on German civilians.
And once you know what to look for, In these war things, you know, once you look beyond the oh, is he going to get shot or is he going to get get round and outflank the machine gun position once you stop being distracted by the the stuff that's meant to distract you and you look at the underlying message and you'll see there are these it's punctuated with these moments where the American bomber crews.
Who are looking around aghast like, we're losing so many of our buddies, we're not going to survive this, this is awful.
But there is this recurring message, it's okay, it's worth it because we're killing Nazis and the Nazis are so bad they deserve to die and your life is worth giving up to kill Nazis because Nazis are really Nazi-ish and bad.
And once you see how the propaganda works, it becomes so blatant and nauseating.
You know, you're talking about boys dropping bombs on women and children and destroying homes and architecture, you know, the beautiful cities of, you know, of Europe and Dresden.
Dresden.
And here is this propaganda piece, and let me tell you, the documentary, the accompanying documentary with Interpolations from Spielberg himself is even worse that you're being told that no this this satanic blood sacrifice Which we know it to have been organized by central bank bankers in order as part of their disaster capitalism business model No, it was a noble thing and not and by the way, did we mention the Nazis?
Yeah, it's but so it becomes impossible and But to be fair, though, Steven Spielberg is an incredible director.
I mean, in terms of fiction, he's very, very good with these fiction movies.
I thought Gremlins was great.
E.T.
was great.
Did you not enjoy... I mean, he's good.
Think about Catch Me If You Can, Schindler's List.
These are all great works of fiction.
I think, yeah, I see what you did there.
But, but, but... Wait, wait, let's do this, let's do this.
Did you hear anything there?
Is that crickets?
Yes.
I've even got to the point of wondering, my latest rabbit hole, I'm going to go down this one.
I hope I'm going to go down this one before you because I loved your, I loved your podcast about how Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not atom bombs.
Oh yeah, I've got a whole other one coming up.
That was a, have you, have you, by the way, just briefly, do you think that Nukes are real now, or do you think they still don't work?
I don't know, James.
I don't know.
I've got no idea.
I'm not convinced that Japan was A-bombed.
In terms of whether or not nukes do exist, I don't know.
I've never really seen evidence of their existence in terms of warheads.
We keep hearing about them.
We keep hearing about how scary they are and the threats.
And I can never figure out if that's just some sort of Cold War-type propaganda trick to scare people.
You know what I mean?
I heard from a nuclear submariner, a former nuclear submariner, came to one of my events and he told me at the drinks afterwards that nukes aren't real.
He could have been saying it to make me happy.
I don't know.
So what's the Swiss gold?
The new rabbit hole is the Pacific war was mostly fate.
That's interesting.
Tell me more.
The taking of the islands, the Iwo Jima.
You think about it.
That flag, the Marines holding the flag, is one of the top five iconic photographs of World War II.
And I'm always suspicious of anything which is iconic.
If anything that gets reinforced that much in the popular narrative is likely suspect.
And particularly if it's on the side of the Allies.
Yes, and as I understand it, and I say I need to talk to somebody about this, as I understand it, it was basically to do with, because you know most of the taking of the islands was carried out by the US Marine Corps, allegedly.
That it was basically a power play by the Marines.
They wanted to carve out a chunk of the budget for themselves.
And so they staged all these these psyops.
I don't know.
I mean, I've never I've never thought about it, but I'm definitely going to watch if you do a podcast and then I'm going to watch it.
Yeah, I haven't watched your your Jesuit one.
I have many more coming.
But he says that Jesus didn't exist or something?
Yes, in that particular one, yes.
But that's not really relevant.
I mean, you can discard that part if you want, because it doesn't detract from the overall talking point of the Jesuit order and their levers of control.
And particularly the Black nobility, a lot of people like to point fingers at the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, always the Jews.
And I have a problem with that because it's a very one-trick pony position.
Sure, Jewish history is replete with its own problems, but that doesn't mean that other groups are not involved in the tug-of-war in terms of...
There's a problem with that.
I mean, I agree.
I would like it to be not that.
And anyway, I'm not even sure what the term the Jews means anyway.
I mean, this is part of the problem.
But I think if you look at the history of the origins of the Jesuits, that doesn't necessarily support your argument.
No, it goes back further.
It goes back further.
It goes all the way to the Roman Empire and before.
Well, that's a separate matter, yes.
I mean, I did a Black Nobility podcast and I agree.
I mean, I think the way to sort of detoxify it this issue or the way of avoiding being demonetized forever just because you've said the wrong word is you just need to see it in terms of, well I do see it in terms of the ruling families which have ruled the world since the Babylonian times and the Egyptian times, Roman times.
And they're the same families.
They are the bloodlines.
And it doesn't really matter what label you want to attach them beyond that.
They're all basically the seed of the serpent.
No, but the point is that it's interesting.
It's about knowledge.
And if it's real and it's part of history, then why not learn about it?
I think it does form part of the bigger picture because you get a deeper understanding.
If you're too scared to look down certain Certain rabbit holes, sure.
I can understand it, because some of these are quite risky.
Well, by design, that's the thing.
Yes, by design, correct.
But I do think that if you are an inquiring mind, it doesn't harm you to look into these things.
At the same time, there are so many other interesting talking points also, because the world is big.
There's a lot of stuff happening.
Is it big?
That could just be another of the lies they tell us.
Maybe it's really small.
Listen, listen, I know that when I flew to Amsterdam it took me a hell of a long time.
Where are you on space at the moment?
On space?
No, I don't know.
It's not one that I've gone down.
That one is a little bit still beyond my current scope of topics.
I'm still stuck on Jews and Jesuits and nuclear bombs.
Jim, can I just stop for a piss?
When there, I'll come back.
Sure, sure.
All right, sure.
So I was getting to the stage where I was hopping about, and if you see me doing this, it normally means I'm, you know.
And I could either have brought the podcast to an abrupt end, Or we're coming for a gradual landing rather.
Yeah, yeah.
So because I mentioned before we started, I mean I'm amazed I've got this far actually because I've just been doing this, this new health protocol.
Tell me more.
So I've been, do you know about Spirit of Turpentine?
Well, it depends.
No, you're going to have to explain.
I'm going to have to do a podcast on this with the woman who sort of popularised this treatment.
But the interesting thing about turps, did you ever use it at school to clean your oil paint off your brushes?
Yes.
You don't want to drink that stuff, because that's probably the commercial, low-grade stuff.
You want pure spirit of turpentine.
Obviously, nobody take my advice on this, because you need to read up about it.
But turpentine, as in the distillate from, anyway, it's an extract from pine tree oil, was the only medicine, allegedly, that the slaves were allowed allegedly, that the slaves were allowed to use in the times of slavery in America.
I don't know how they knew about this or how they got hold of it, whatever, that's a whole other story.
But Turpentine is a very effective treatment for all sorts of conditions, including the slightly nebulous ones like fibromyalgia and the Chronic autoimmune diseases and stuff, but it is mainly an anti-parasitic.
And so you take this stuff, you drip it onto a teaspoon full of sugar, because as you know from watching your Mary Poppins, a spoonful of sugar It helps the turpentine go down.
It helps the turpentine go down in the most delightful way.
Except what's not delightful is that at intervals during the day, you keep burping it up.
But I've I've been doing it for two days now, and I have to say, there are side effects.
Like, I got terrible shakes this morning, and I've got a bit of a headache.
What you're really meant to do is you're meant to prepare for it for weeks in advance by ensuring that your bowel movements are uber regular, like three a day and stuff.
And I'm thinking, sod this, I haven't got time for all that, so I've just sort of stormed in there.
But I think there's a reason why they suggest you take it slowly.
It's because you can feel a bit rough and I have been feeling a bit weird.
What is the point though?
This is another rabbit hole you haven't been down, isn't it?
You haven't been down the parasites cause everything rabbit hole, have you?
I have seen it, the comments, but I haven't been down that one.
Okay, so this is quite a good rabbit hole for you to explore and for me to explore further because I'm just peering down the rabbit hole at the moment.
Heart disease?
Parasites.
Cancer?
Parasites.
I've done podcasts with various sort of alternative health practitioners, well health practitioners I should say, because the establishment health has got nothing to do with health.
But their protocols seem to take this into account, that you need a kind of, what you're trying to create is a kind of An environment in which parasites cannot thrive, so alkaline, you know, low sugar, which is odd that you have to take sugar with this turpentine, the spirit of turpentine, that's sort of counterintuitive.
Apparently the sugar acts as bait and the parasites go, ooh, sugar, and they go...
But it sort of makes intuitive sense that there are these creatures living within us.
I mean, the real rabbit hole take is that the parasites are kind of, these tiny parasites are in service to the greater, they're controlled by the greater demons that live around us and manipulate us.
Apparently they even make you gay.
Apparently.
Apparently you can de-gay yourself.
So parasites can make you gay?
Yeah, it's a whole other, it's a massive, massive rabbit hole, which I've just dipped my little paw into.
Parasites certainly can make you LGBTQ.
I think you're onto something here, James.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you see, if we return to the theme of the invasion of the body snatchers, what's that about?
It's about these parasites which take control of the host, i.e.
humans, and they mind control them.
I mean, isn't that zombies Day of the Dead, isn't that?
That's what it's about as well, isn't it, I think?
And for how long do you continue this... Well, I don't know.
What do you call it?
Treatment?
No, I don't know.
Protocol.
That's a fancy word.
I don't know, because they... I don't know, John.
I don't know what I'm going to do.
I agree.
When does it all end?
When do you know you're better?
It's like… I've got a philosophy.
I don't know.
I don't mean this in any disrespectful way.
I don't believe you.
Okay.
So, I've got this way.
I really hate sort of mental clutter.
And I'm always trying to minimalize and simplify everything.
My wife gets very frustrated because I try and simplify everything too much.
But I look at life.
As basically in terms of health, I mean physical health, I just look at it as a state of just if you're physically okay in what you're consuming, keep your ingredients low, keep your varieties low.
You don't have to have 500 things in your food.
You don't have to take this and take that and take this and take that.
If you're hungry, you eat.
You don't have to eat three times a day and all that sort of thing.
I only ate once yesterday.
For example, because I just simply wasn't hungry.
And so my idea is just to keep things as simple as possible.
And so if it means taking turpentine and it's part of that simplicity, great!
But I'd love to know how you're feeling in a week's time.
I will let you know.
I will let you know.
Yeah, I hear what you say.
I think that people who are feeling okay, year-round, should congratulate themselves and carry on doing what they're doing.
And continue feeling great, yeah.
Yeah.
The reason that I'm kind of morbidly obsessed with these with my health is because every two or three months I will get sideswiped.
I will suddenly find that I will go for my morning run and I'll have no energy.
And I will have brain fog and I will be doing a podcast and I can't remember words.
It's really annoying sometimes because obviously words are our trade and fluency is one of the things that make us make what we do attractive and you need to be able to think of the angle becoming with jokes and stuff.
And when that doesn't happen, when you haven't got energy, or you go to the gym and you feel bone tired.
When I say bone tired, it's different from being routine tiredness.
The core of your being is tiredness.
That's when you think, I can't bear this.
There must be some way out of this.
I don't just want to kind of have to wait for it to pass.
I want to do something.
But have you looked at the basic things like, did you get enough sleep?
That is a typical health, that is the exact response I get from my wife.
It is bloody, it's so annoying.
But it's foundational.
People who've never known what it's like to have a condition which out of the blue comes and gets you, they think it's because of things that they know about and they don't know about it.
How about your carbohydrate intake, for example?
There's another one.
There's a rabbit hole.
I think Keto is probably good, if that's what you're saying.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm a fan of sort of low-carbohydrate intake and I have been for many years.
Yeah.
Tim Lokes, have you had him on your show?
Who?
Tim Lokes.
No.
Is he a Keto guy?
Yeah, low-carb.
He's probably one of the best in the world.
Yeah.
I must do a few more of those, I think.
Health is a very basic thing.
It's not complicated.
What were Vikings doing a thousand years ago?
I often wonder, do you ever wonder that?
What were people doing a thousand years ago for things like headaches?
They probably didn't get headaches.
Or cancer, how about that?
I didn't get cancer.
I think cancer pretty much is a disease from modern civilization.
Yeah, I think so too.
Definitely.
Before we started this podcast, I was communicating with this friend of mine who was diagnosed with cancer last year.
I mean, he's borderline normie.
He's not nearly as far down the rabbit hole, but he'd been listening to my podcast with people like Clive DeKalb, and he decided that he wasn't going to get conventional treatment.
He wasn't going to get to any of that.
And he was given a few months to live, and he's still with us feeling normal a year later.
That is incredible!
I love hearing stories like that.
I know, I'm very happy for him.
What?
That is an amazing story.
Yeah, I know.
It's good to hear.
James, one of my strategies for 2024 is to do more solutions slash uplifting conversations also.
Yes, we need more of that, don't we?
We probably do.
We probably do.
But I do quite like the rabbit hole ones.
Yeah, but I mean, you do that 70-30.
once yeah but i mean you do that 70 30 so you do 70 of the rabbit holes and 30 of solutions i need to do another psalms episode i like I like my Psalms series, which is not about rabbit hole stuff.
It's about Psalms.
That's good.
I haven't done one of those for a while.
You should.
You should.
Yeah.
I have to tell you, I did this I did this podcast the other day, and I don't want to spoil it, but at the same time, I can't resist sharing it with you.
Okay.
I had the best ever explanation for the real purpose of chemtrails, of the weather manipulation.
Tell me.
It's just so good.
Must I wait for the podcast?
So, what a lot of people say, a lot of people who want to... I call them the purple-pilled people.
The ones who say, yeah, but why would they do this?
They would never spray the skies because it would affect them as well.
So how do you explain that then?
And I tend to reply, well, you can't rationalise psychopaths.
I mean, it is in the nature of psychopathy that you don't care about yourself.
You just want to kind of fuck everybody else, don't you?
Okay, are you ready for this?
I'm ready.
Okay.
It's because as the end times approach, when it all kicks off, All these hybrid creatures, dragons and hybrid creatures, which have been lurking underground in these deep underground military bases, the giants, all the creatures that have been kept under wraps, but occasionally burst forth.
That they are trying to create an environment where these creatures can thrive, where they're happier.
Give me some time to process that.
Yeah, you need to process that one.
It's a goodie, isn't it?
I'm going to watch that podcast!
That is really interesting.
If I don't pay Wallet, there's some which are so sort of dark and weird that I sort of feel uncomfortable about listening to the world.
It's like they give away too much information and I don't know.
You don't want everybody to know.
You want people deaf FOMO?
No, it's more than that.
I just kind of think, oh, they're deaf, you know, as opposed to they're probably going to kill me, they're definitely, definitely going to kill me.
But then since we're going to get killed anyway, I'm not sure whether that should be an issue.
Do you think about that?
Yes, but James, we do have families and so we don't want to be completely nihilistic.
Well, what's nihilistic about being realistic?
Hang on, give me a second here.
What's nihilistic?
I love that question.
I can't answer that.
I'm going to go and think about that.
That is a really, really profound question.
Because it's a Catch-22 question also.
So I don't know how to answer that.
But I love it.
I'm going to go and think about that.
Another film I want to recommend.
I was thinking about films that are not tainted.
So, Beaux Travail.
The Island.
The Island, definitely.
That tells you exactly what's going on around you.
No, that's exactly the kind of film I don't want to talk about.
That's exactly what I don't want to see.
I'm talking about films that are untainted.
Oh, sorry.
I beg your pardon.
I want to escape from all that.
Right.
Have you ever seen Ghost Dog?
No.
But can I tell you what it's called?
Ghost Dog and Beau Travail.
And you're going to recommend Mamma Mia 2, no doubt.
I'm not going to recommend it.
What I am going to recommend is one of my favorite movies of all time, and it's I'm gonna hope that it's untainted.
I'm gonna hope that it's untainted.
Lords of Dogtown.
Lords of Dogtown.
Okay, so that's two films with dog in the title we've recommended.
Lords of Dogtown.
It's basically about the history of skateboarding.
Oh, okay.
And it's got Heath Ledger in it, who was an outstanding actor, and it's got a fantastic, fantastic soundtrack.
All 70s.
But the story is, as far as I can tell, it's not tainted.
So it's a good, good, good story.
Lords of Dogtown.
It's a true story.
I've actually got the book somewhere here.
The actual story behind it.
So, it's a great movie.
Okay.
That's a good one.
Lord of the Drowned.
Have you seen Little Dita Needs to Fly?
My goodness me, James.
You mentioned the most fringe movies.
No, I haven't seen that.
It's Werner Herzog.
I love Herzog.
I mean, have you seen Grizzly Man?
No, I haven't seen that either.
Every single movie you mention, I haven't seen.
I feel like I'm not in the club.
There are a few films that just take you to somewhere else.
But don't give me films that have got subtitles.
I can't do subtitled movies.
I'm not that arty.
Bozhova is subtitled.
But actually, do you know what?
No germ.
There is so little dialogue in it that you won't mind.
I'm not one of those guys... It's like when you go to an art gallery and you drink red wine and you look into the meaning of artworks, because you're trying to be ultra-intelligent.
Meanwhile, the artist like Jackson Pollock really just ran across the painting and threw paint on it, right?
He was financed by the CIA, that's why.
Yeah, there was no deeper meaning.
And then you have the intelligentsia standing, trying to read these deep messages into it.
It's the same thing with movies.
You get some movies that try so hard to be arty, but they're complete crap.
Donnie Darko was utter rubbish.
And so was Space Odyssey.
And I know you can't say that out loud because it's sacrilegious, sacrilegious to, to, to, to slam dunk Space Odyssey.
Oh, 2001 Space Odyssey, just wank.
Hours of wank.
Although, to be fair, Jim, even though I love you.
And subtitled movies, even subtitled movies.
When people pay money to go to a cinema to read a movie.
Mate, even though I love you very much, I suspect that actually we shouldn't be recommending films to one another to any great degree, because if your idea of a good night out is going to go and see Mamma Mia...
And my idea of a good night is going to see a film about, a play about the making of the Richard Burton production of Richard Burton's Hamlet.
No, that sounds good.
No, it sounds good.
Yeah, but I suspect if you drew a Venn diagram, the intersection between James and Germ, there wouldn't be that.
I want mindlessness though.
If I go to cope with subtitles that rules out a hell of a lot of films that I really like because because I want mindlessness when I'm entertained.
I don't want to think for two hours.
I want to be I wanted to be absolutely.
Uh, uh, junk.
That's it.
I just, I need, it's the same as when you, when you eat junk food, you know, like once a week when you have your cheat day.
It's like, it's like that.
What's the film about the prawns in South Africa?
The space prawns?
District 9.
District 9.
I bet you love that film.
You know what?
It was, in my view, one of the best sci-fi I've made.
But it was a very cleverly done sci-fi.
Firstly, the aliens were poor, which is very original.
They weren't able to get back into space.
But also, I interviewed the main actor accidentally.
The whole thing was a prank, which turned out in my favour.
So I've got a little bit of a story with that movie.
But it was a great movie.
I enjoyed it.
And they threatened to make a second one, but they didn't ever do it.
I think they just didn't have the budget.
I wonder how it would have gone.
I think it didn't need a sequel, that film.
It didn't need a sequel, no.
The Matrix, for example, is one of those movies, the first one, not the rest of them, which was one of those movies that had profound philosophical insights on the world.
And I think everybody by now has seen The Matrix, at least the first one, and it was really good.
Whether it was predictive programming and all that stuff, who knows?
No, I think we do know.
Given that they're now the Wachowski sisters, I think we do know.
Yes, yes, but it was still a good movie, you know, and I think there are many movies like that that are worth watching.
The Island is a good movie.
It tells you all about transhumanism, you know, and it's very eye-opening.
Do you want to know about transhumanism any more than I do already?
It's just like, But when it came out, it was like 2005 or something.
We weren't talking about it then.
We weren't talking about it at that stage.
Who directed it?
Who's in it?
It's Ewan McGregor and that blonde girl, I forget her name now.
She was...
Doesn't matter, you can look it up.
Oh, is it the one where they live in a place and as a treat you get to go to the island and if you win the competition or something you get selected?
Yes, but essentially they get killed, yeah.
Yeah.
Nobody's watching now, we've ruined the plot.
And the other one, the other one, oh, well I can just do this.
Wait, wait, I've got a little button here for that.
Wait, where is it?
The other one that I think perhaps might have been ahead of its time is, do you remember that one with Leonardo DiCaprio where he also went to an island?
The Beach, I think it was called.
That was ahead of its time in the way it was Depicting the world around us.
Well, you see, Alex Garland, who wrote the book, and I'm sure who is now in on it, he's got this big blockbuster coming out any second now about civil war in America.
Sure.
They're getting us ready for it.
Yeah, they are.
James, I'm just looking at the time.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
We've delighted our audience enough.
I've had a great conversation.
Oh, always.
Always, mate.
I love chatting to you.
The only thing that I think I'm going to do when we meet up, probably on your side of the world, is I'm going to laugh at you in person about your hunting.
The fox thing always gets me.
Well, I love the idea that you call going around with a gun, which any twat can do.
Anyone can hold a gun and kill things.
It takes art to do it from a horseback.
It takes a skill.
That's also true.
What were we saying?
Yeah, tell the people where we can see your stuff.
Not on TNT.
No, no, no, not anymore.
But just go to germwarfare.com.
J-E-R-M.
Germ with a J, because I am contagious.
Germwarfare.com.
It's as easy as that.
Everything's there.
Good.
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