A very-late Dick finds time in his busy schedule for idle chat with his very forgiving brother, James.
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Well, Dick.
Tell me why you are an hour and 53 minutes late.
Well, it's only 53 minutes.
Sorry, okay, but that's still quite a lot.
Why are you 53 minutes late for this podcast?
I've been detained by God.
Doesn't come any better excuse than that.
It wasn't really God, though, was it?
It was literally God.
Okay, it was his son, Jesus.
It wasn't even that.
It was a church purporting to represent them.
Go on.
You went to Worcester Cathedral, was it?
I was in Worcester because it's a day off for us office minions.
So I had a nice lunch with Lydia and Oliver.
She was starting work at a menial shop job at 1.30 and I noticed on the website that the cathedral had a service at 1.30.
And I thought, good Friday, I'm a Christian, what could possibly go wrong?
I rocked up at 130.
Rookie error.
Having arranged to do a podcast with you at three, and you said three would be perfect, and I'm thinking, yeah, get the service done, top up the piety, and I'll be on my way.
And I should have been This was the service book.
I mean, when they passed me this on the way in, and it's called The Liturgy of Good Friday.
Turns out it's the choir singing in plain song the entire story of the crucifixion and all that.
I mean, there's pages of it.
And all of this is sung in plain song.
Very slow.
Very beautiful.
Very moving and all that.
I'm kind of looking at my watch rather more than I should be.
Which is kind of not a good look.
And then I'm texting you, which is an even worse look.
James, you're going to be late, because this service is a bit longer than I thought it was going to be.
How many were there?
A couple of hundred.
Yeah?
Okay.
This is at Worcester Cathedral, so it's a big job.
Full choir, lots of clergy, and they come in halfway through with a massive, I wouldn't say full-size cross, but sort of three-quarter size cross.
And they walk up the aisle with it, and then they hold it up near the front of the nave, and everyone has to go up and either kiss it or bow before it, which I've never seen before.
I mean, all the regular Christians are saying, surely you must have done a liturgy of Good Friday before.
No, I haven't.
I've never have.
And everyone queues up, a bit like communion, except you go up to the cross and you do a bow, or some of the more pious kiss it.
I thought it was very Catholic.
Yeah, for an Anglican church, yeah.
That is very, that is very Catholic.
And I'm thinking, I don't know, I mean, look, I'm getting more and more into my Bible and I don't, I don't recall anything in the Bible about cross kissing.
Well, you'd have liked it if you're into Bibles, because they pretty much sang most of it.
In Latin, or in English?
In English.
But the bit you'd have liked, they did.
The choir sang Psalm 22.
And, you know, unicorns.
And, um... Yeah?
Deliver my soul from the sword, my darling, from the power of the dog.
Save me from the lion's mouth, thou hast heard me also from among the horns of the unicorn.
So, that was all sung in plain song by the choir, incredibly slowly.
So, you're like, go on, next line!
But, you know, I've done it.
It was a two-hour service.
I did it, topped up to here with goodness and piety.
Oh, yay!
I mean, I'm just like the devil in comparison with you right now.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you can say get behind, get thee behind me Satan.
In fact, go on, you can say it.
Get behind me Satan.
That right?
So, but obviously we're both really happy that there are cathedral choirs doing this stuff and it's great that there's still an audience for it and long may it continue.
But in terms of I mean, entertainment value, just the experience.
If you'd gone as a concert...
Rather than as a kind of penance, what would your enjoyment level be of the music?
I might have said they didn't play their best stuff.
They were trying to flog the new album and it's not as good as their old stuff, that sort of thing.
But the part I dread, I've been seeking out services that don't involve a sermon because If you give those buggers a chance, they'll get in their pulpit and they'll start spouting.
And they completely go off-piste.
You know, there's no gospel in it.
It's just their own crappy little opinions.
But this particular vicar, canon, whatever he was, he was up there in the pulpit.
And I was dozing off.
And suddenly he said something quite extraordinary.
He was saying, well, you know, we'd better stand by our faith while we still can.
It's not illegal.
Yet.
And then he said that this country is...
In no meaningful way a Christian country anymore.
And I was thinking, blimey, this is revolutionary stuff from the pulpit.
So I perked up for that bit and it was like, yay, go Vic!
But that was about as exciting as it got.
That was quite an exciting bit though.
Not bad for a sermon.
I mean the rest of it was a bit dull.
You could have button-holed him.
Had you not been rushing back to the podcast, you could have button-holed him on that and sort of inquired further.
Yeah, I think I probably would have done, but you know, two hours.
You've given enough.
Surely that is kind of reserving a seat in heaven, or at least putting your name down on the list.
No, I think you've... I was just trying to look up the details of... because I didn't tell you about the church service I went to, did I?
You told me about the little local one.
Not today.
Oh right, you told me this local unassuming church that's just a red brick sort of tin roof type sort of nothing.
One of those chur... okay, so it was in Loughborough and it's one of those churches that you've driven past in the past and gone...
Yikes!
That looks a bit grim, because it's basically just a jerry-built box built out of, you know, brick, brick, but... Complete opposite end of where I've just been, you know, as in a beautiful cathedral that's been there for a thousand years.
Of course, we've been brought up in the Anglican tradition with, in posh churches, you know, like our private school chapels or whatever, or cathedrals or things like that.
So there's a bit of snobbery involved.
Anyway.
I went to this service full of trepidation and even more trepidation when I saw people going in with guitars and things.
Uh-oh!
Alarm bells!
Here we go, you know, Jesus is my girlfriend, you know, strum, strum, strum and hallelujah and lots of sort of embracing and, you know, kissing and just awfulness and It wasn't like that at all.
It was absolutely packed.
They had a really impressive contingent of children who were not bored.
Halfway through the service, the children got dragged off.
A bit like when the women go next door after dinner and the gentlemen carry on drinking the port.
In the same way, there came a point where the children went off happily, I have to say, to their Sunday school session.
But the children were, they reminded me a bit of the children at Hope Festival, the homeschool kids, in that they were bright eyed, probably unvaccinated.
But they had the look of unvaccinated children.
They weren't bored.
They were into it.
They didn't think it was a kind of an imposition that they sort of believed.
And it was really good to be in a congregation of people who I don't know whether this is the case with all Reformed Baptist services, but there's no sermon as such.
There's no kind of, how can we make the embarrassing thing that we call Christianity relevant to this secular modern world?
None of that.
You'd make a great vicar with that voice.
You could just do it.
You could, you'd nail it.
I could, I could do it.
I could do it.
So the pastors who were basically lay people, I think.
I think one of them gets a salary but most of them don't.
It's not like being a hedge fund manager, I'd say.
And he'll just sort of riff on a section of the Bible.
So, you know, whatever today's text is.
No bits of paper or hymn books or anything like that.
It's all projected onto the wall.
Which sounds like it could be awful.
You know, these are sort of details that one sort of instantly thinks, well, that sounds dodgy.
But it really worked.
And when the singing happened, the songs were not annoying songs.
They were not like, will your anchor hold in the storms of life?
You know, they weren't that kind of Horrible, cringe Christianity stuff, which is clearly devised by Satanists to destroy Christianity.
They were actually... One of them reminded me of a sort of Appalachian folk song, you know.
But I mean, they were sincere, but they weren't twee.
And... A fine line, isn't there?
Yeah, a very fine line that so it was it was like Evangelical but without without all the with all the happy clappiness Taken out.
It was it was really good And and afterwards, um, quite a few of the people were Deling pod hands Brilliant a healthy a healthy chunk of them.
We're down the rabbit hole and make us you know Yeah, well, I got it was good.
I'm telling pod fans.
I got recognized in the pub last night As I was at the bar, the bloke there goes, are you Dick Dillingpole?
And I had to confess that I was indeed Dick Dillingpole.
And so he recognised me.
I think he was more of a Twitter follower and let's say fan for the sake of argument.
That was great.
But I got spotted in Verona.
Did I mention I'd been to Verona?
No, you didn't, Dick.
Have you been to Verona?
I've hardly been talking about it at all.
No.
It's amazing.
Least of all on family group chats.
But I got spotted in the street in Verona.
Someone shouted, Dick Dillingpole!
And he had been a long-standing big fan of the podcast.
And he had to put up with the Italian lockdowns.
Which, as you know, were the first, the hardest, and the most brutally enforced.
And they weren't allowed to leave their homes.
Now, if you've got the sort of home that is completely luxurious and it's fine.
Yeah, there's hardly any suffering but if you've got a kind of a tiny apartment based on the idea that you're hardly ever going to be spending any time there because you're in such a lovely place like Verona that it doesn't really matter what your apartment's like because you've got the whole city at your disposal.
And suddenly you find yourself having to spend 24-7 in this thing.
It must have been torture.
And I said, how bad would they have been if you'd been caught out?
And he said, well, the Carabinieri here are pretty brutal.
They have a reputation for trying to make an example, especially of foreigners.
And so, you know... They'd probably rape you.
They'd probably rape you.
They'd probably rape you.
Possibly.
They probably would.
They're very trigger happy though, aren't they?
They love their guns.
Yeah, they totally are.
Even the bin men have guns out there, you know, sort of like, not very good guns, but, you know, they all get armed.
Yeah, they give fascism a bad name, don't they?
They do, considering they invented it.
Yeah, exactly, exactly, I know.
I think we're inclined to forget this, aren't we?
Well, not us, but the normies are.
The normies are very easily inclined to forget the embarrassing period where they sold all our freedoms down the river with virtually no complaint.
They accepted that the governments had the right to imprison them in their own homes or to tell them There were five mile exclusion zones, as in Australia, around your house, beyond which you could not drive, or that you could not drink coffee in the park without policemen threatening to arrest you, or you could not go for a walk on the moors without a police drone.
All this stuff, it's like they've airbrushed it out of their mental history.
Because it's too embarrassing to admit that they participated in this thing and they effectively invited this world upon themselves because they didn't resist.
And so they go to Italy now and they think, oh, isn't Verona lovely?
And they forget that at the drop of a hat, the Italians could do that again.
Our government could do that again.
I expected better of the Italians.
I thought they'd be more rebellious.
I don't know what it was in their history that might have indicated that they wouldn't fold at the first sign of fascism reappearing.
It was the Italians, essentially.
It was their folding so easily that made the rest of the world say, hey, you know, we could actually do this.
We could actually lock up our populations.
So, you know, in a way, poor old Italians.
But in another way, you guys should have fought back a bit harder.
Well, we should all have fought back a bit harder, those of us who didn't fight back a bit harder.
I mean, okay, I didn't actually resort to fisticuffs, but I was threatened with fisticuffs by the man who saw me on the train not wearing a mask, and he didn't like it because he was jealous, because it meant he had a smaller penis than me, which is true, I'm sure.
You had the policeman on the march trying to arrest you.
Trying to arrest me?
Yeah.
You did your bit.
And we went down to London and filmed a video, didn't we?
We did our Men of Harlech thing.
We did do that, exactly.
Do you remember how deserted the streets were when we were driving down to that recording studio to do that?
It was like a zombie movie.
There was no one around and lots of police cars and you thought any moment now they're gonna pull us over and stop us but it kind of never happened because actually they never had the right to do so.
It was all kind of like borderline illegal what they were doing.
But we shouldn't forget about it.
I don't think it's wrong to keep dragging it up, especially waving people's Twitter transgressions in their face when they were not exactly the freedom fighters they made out to have been.
But yeah, we should keep reminding.
Do you mean James Melville?
Well, among others, he's probably not even the worst of the offenders, but yeah.
Yeah, well, yeah.
I mean, there's that one annoying person, Ben What's-His-Face, who I had on the podcast a few times, who's determined to pin down on me that I was a kind of... Ben Irving!
Ben Irving, yeah.
He's gone completely against me and he's constantly putting these tweets saying, you know, James Dellingpole believed in Covid.
Well, I mean, I did at the beginning.
I mean, you know, my journey's been quite, my journey down the rabbit hole has been quite precipitous.
I was a normie.
I think it's unfair to tax people with their normie views when they were still a normie.
I think it's what they do afterwards that Yeah, quite.
Judged by your actions.
He was trying to say that I was on furlough, for instance.
You know, I worked right the way through.
But he put out on his Twitter feed, when you were on furlough, quite happily taking that.
I said, where did you get that?
You just completely made it up.
And he said, and then you said something about Boris being the right man at the right time.
Well, I did, because in Boris's first speech, he said, I'm not going to lock down.
My immediate tweet after that was he's the right man at the right time because the Labour Party would have locked us down already.
Of course Boris, a few days later, decided lockdown was a great idea after all.
Obviously Boris is shit because his dad is an evil Malthusian in the pair of the Rockefellers.
But nevertheless, I do suspect he was probably taken to a room and Given an ultimatum, either you will accidentally die of Covid, Boris, or you will do what you're told.
Well that was him off to hospital, wasn't it?
God help me, I actually prayed for the man because I thought, you know, if he dies now things will get really bad.
And this is how normie I was even that recently.
And that was clearly the time he was taken into a room and either shown the pictures or either, yeah, given this choice.
Toe the line or bye-bye Boris.
Are you as Bothered, disturbed, depressed, as I am, by the relentless weather manipulation, the relentless chemtrailing.
Well, I know this is kind of your new thing, isn't it?
And I know you've never been a chemtrail denier, but you've never grabbed the... you haven't, to this point, grabbed the bull by the horns and said, let's talk about chemtrails.
Well, yes, I dipped my toe in the water about 18 months ago, I think.
Again, this shows the speed of my journey down the rubber hole.
18 months ago, I wrote a piece saying, I'm not sure what the truth is about chemtrails or what I think about them, but they are my favorite conspiracy theory because they annoy so many people.
And I explain why so many people get annoyed by them because because chemtrails mean, if you believe in chemtrails, it concedes the point which conspiracy theorists like ourselves are often making, which is that there is an evil shadowy elite.
Far beyond the level of government, which is controlling government, which is so malign that it is spraying our skies with poison, with impunity, undetected, protected by a media which doesn't want to report on it.
I mean, you know, as conspiracists go, that's a pretty good one, that big evil is spraying shit on you every day and the media won't tell you because they're part of the lie machine.
Well I'm quite convinced it's why I've had a cold for all of this year so far.
Not particularly bad but I'm coughing up phlegm every morning and then I'm pretty much clear for the day.
You know I can still swim a mile every morning and do my running and all this stuff but I think I'm just purging all the crap that's been building up in my lungs from what I've been inhaling from the shit that they've been dropping down on us.
Well, so here's the thing, I'm going to do a sort of podcast special on this, so I don't want to, well, there's no point going into detail about stuff we don't really know about, but I'm pretty sure that, you know, what we do know, because even as they deny it happens, they're quite open about it on sort of various websites if you know where to go to.
So they talk about geoengineering, they talk about cloud seeding, There was a disaster, I think, in the 1950s, where it was acknowledged that the RAF had caused it by cloud seeding.
And a number of people died in Devon.
But recently, as they've become more blatant in their chemtrailing, they've clammed up about admitting it.
But you'll find It's been talked about in Congress.
The various whistleblowers have talked about it.
I think it's not just aluminium and barium and stuff like that they're spraying.
I think it's also nanoparticles.
I think it really is very, very sinister.
And it's funny, isn't it, that whenever you tweet about it, I mean, 77th Brigade, you know, the American listeners, which is our army kind of, the unit that specializes in policing social media and stuff for incorrect thinking.
They're all over it like a rash.
They troll you, and you get various people who insist, you know, with engineering and aeronautical credentials, telling you that, no, these are contrails, and this is all perfectly normal.
Ironically named contrail.
I know, isn't it great?
Contrails.
Or they'll send you a The airline pilot friends we have go, yeah, yeah, I love the bit where I'm flying my passenger plane and I press the drop chemtrail button on my dashboard.
Ha ha ha.
And it's sort of like, well, it doesn't work like that, you know.
There are passenger jets and then there's planes up there just poisoning us.
Someone's going to get to the bottom of it soon, and all the people who laughed at us, well, they'll just clam up and say, yeah, yeah, well, we knew there was something wrong all along.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, like they did about the vaccines.
It's going to be just like that.
Yeah, yeah, but... How could we have possibly known, James?
How could we have known back then that the vaccine was poison?
How did you know it was poison?
You couldn't possibly have known.
Yes.
You're not an expert.
Yeah.
You're not a virologist.
No, he wasn't a virologist.
No.
No, I know.
Yeah, I suspect that the plane's doing it and not commercial passenger aircraft.
And this, I think it's a dangerous habit that people on our side or nearly on our side have of enabling The enemy to do what they do by making excuses for them.
So you your airline pilot friends.
They're they're basically giving cover for this evil operation instead of instead of just just just being sensible looking up at the skies and going this ain't natural looking up at the northern crosses that suddenly appeared and it's nowhere near an airline route.
And the weather was fine in the morning, and after these things appeared it all went to shit.
I mean, it's really obvious what's been done, and yet they won't even give it the time of day.
Yeah, you're right.
It's so obvious.
Anyone who lives in the country who has a dog...
So you'll go for your dog walk at, say, 7 in the morning, and the skies are blue.
And you'll see the con-trails, that aren't con-trails, in the sky, and then you'll see them disperse, and you go, right, okay, in an hour's time, it's going to be cloud.
And by midday, you are covered.
It's completely overcast.
But it's been worse than that.
Nobody can look.
So, before this, before I came to my screening, my special lair where I record this, I was talking to our local sheep farmer.
And he is having his worst year ever.
Even worse than the year when it snowed in the middle of lambing season and the lambs were dying in the field and mothers were giving birth and the foxes were coming to get them as the lambs were coming out and things like that.
They were being eaten alive.
He said that he's lost five ewes in the last week to magnesium deficiency and it's caused by the excessive growth of grass in a pretty much unprecedented winter.
There's never been so much rain.
This rain is off the charts in its abnormality.
And again, I don't understand how any sentient person can not be aware that this rain has been freakish beyond measure.
This is not natural.
This is not our weather doing what it does.
You know, you get these people who say, oh yeah, it's just our weather.
We've always lived on an island of rain, you know.
I always remember winter being grim.
No, this is an order of difference.
Different from what we have have normally it's it's it this is this is not natural.
We've got climate change.
We've got the climate change excuse that has already preconditioned.
The public to look at any change in the weather, and they've been told about global weirding, they've been told that climate change is what we now call global warming, so expect any form of abnormal weather, and it's your fault, you bastard, for your car, and your foreign travel, and breathing.
They prepared the ground well, didn't they?
I mean, that's exactly how it works, in the same way that Contagion, that movie, Introduce the concept of social distancing and all this other stuff and it remained to people sort of subliminal Consciousness until it until until such time as it was ready to be wheeled out and that you know that the trigger word were the social distancing was was was They could they could that their monic programming could kick in that So, yeah, you're right.
In the same way, we have been prepared for a long time to look at weird weather and think, well, that's not the government doing that with secret planes up in the sky.
That's global weirding, that is.
Another one that they've been doing is AI.
Now, I've hated that from the moment it's been rolled out, and it's suddenly slapping us in the face big time, this whole AI thing.
When you do graphic design for a living like I do, all the kids are at it.
They can knock stuff together really quickly using AI.
And it's, in a lot of ways, a very useful tool.
But seeing the so-called deepfake videos that were put out, I thought, There's an ulterior motive going on here.
We're never going to be able to tell again if a video is true or faked.
And sure enough, a few months later, we've got all this royal nonsense with the fake cancer scares with the royal family and this ludicrous Kate Middleton series of photos and videos.
Now, they're playing us for fools, obviously.
You know, that first one, the one that was riddled with errors and disjointed patterns and impossible finger angles and her kids, and then a video that's meant to put the naysayers down, is equally dodgy and obviously AI.
And so they've already prepared us for the idea that everything you see could potentially be fake.
Just in the way they've primed us with global weirding can account for any change in the weather.
They can now put anything in front of us.
And it's not quite clear whether they're being deliberately misleading, or whether they think the public are going to swallow it.
I don't think it actually matters, because half the public are going to swallow it.
Half are going to say it's fake, well not even half, maybe 5% are calling it fake.
But either way, they're doing their job because they're sowing the seeds of confusion.
Yes, I think possibly the purpose is to drive yet another wedge.
Between, what, the 5% who can see through all this shit, and the 95% who can't.
So you've got... I mean, there were lots of stories in the mainstream media about how, yes, all these trolls being sceptical about Kate's lovely heartwarming video, and she wrote the speech herself and wasn't it moving.
Apparently it was funded by The Chinese and Putin.
So, that's number one.
Number one, you succeed in reinforcing the notion that we should be at war with these foreign enemies.
Evil Putin and President Xi, who want to make us distrust our lovely videos.
I mean, how evil is that?
Made by our beloved members of the Royal Family.
And and it's there was there was there were other other stories written by, you know, Telegraph columnists and things saying, you know, probably Sarah Vine wrote one in the mail.
I expect she was told to write one about how.
These, you know, we must silence these evil trolls.
We should have censorship.
Jeremy Vine, I think, even called for it.
He, you know, why can't we close down people who say this sort of thing?
So what they're doing is, okay, so they're setting up the foreign enemies and at the same time Setting up the internal enemies, who are of course people like us, who look at these videos and have the temerity to analyse them and look at the backgrounds and ask why the background isn't moving when it's supposed to be a breezy day in the park and asking awkward questions like Bob Moran did.
Bob Moran did a brilliant takedown of it.
Why is her blink rate so high?
And isn't this a weird way of allaying public concerns?
Kate sits on her own, on a bench, and delivers this spiel.
And talks about how lovely it is that her husband is standing beside her.
Metaphorically, of course.
He's nowhere to be seen.
But, you know, metaphorically, he's right here with me.
As I said earlier, they're taking us for fools.
Do you think she's dead?
I think she's possibly being carted off beyond the ice wall to probably a cosy palace, you know, job done.
It's all gearing up towards not seeing her again, isn't it?
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think we won't see her again.
I think probably Well, my favourite story is the one about how she was having an affair with that bloke who allegedly committed suicide but wasn't really, that William bumped him off.
The various affair rumours are, of course, everything is alleged.
The various marital breakdown stories, of course, this makes us Bastard haters, doesn't it?
You know, it makes us scum of the earth in the view of the normies.
Well, not really, because I mean... We're even entertaining this idea.
It's so well known that he has affairs, you know, all the time.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
So I don't think that's really an issue.
I don't think we're breaking up an otherwise loving marriage by making these allegations.
And this is the good one of the two brothers.
It starts to make you wonder whether Harry's actually alright.
No, it doesn't.
No?
Never that far?
No, it really doesn't.
No, it really doesn't.
They're just... But, you know, if they're telling us to hate one and love the other, doesn't it make you kind of want to switch over?
But Megan is obviously a wrong-un and I don't think, even if it turned out that they were all right, I could bring myself to love Harry and Megan.
No.
I mean, If you got home and you found that Lydia had organised a dinner party and that they were coming round...
I know it's quite unlikely.
First of all, Lydia having anyone around, she generally doesn't like people, which is why she's so fantastic, one of the many reasons.
But a dinner party, wow, we're going to have to squeeze them into our dining room somehow.
But yeah, apart from the unlikelihood of that, if it was Harry and Meghan, yeah, well, Would you be curious or would you just assert your male rights and just nix the whole misbehavior?
I'd make up an excuse for being detained at work that night.
You're on your own.
Really important piece of artwork.
Video it.
So we've got to talk at some point about our epic journey the other week, because it was quite some time ago now.
Our trip to Tintin Abbey.
That's right!
Because it was a lovely, lovely idea.
I had done this fantastic walk at Tintin Abbey previously with Lydia and the dogs, and it was challenging.
It was along Offa's Dyke, so you go to Tintin, which is effectively in Wales, and you walk over a footbridge over the water.
It is in Wales, isn't it?
You're back in England, yeah, but it's right on the border.
You walk over a footbridge and you're back in England and you're on Offa's Dyke and there's a steep climb through this wooded precipitous hill and you get up to the top and you get to this little rocky outcrop.
It's a finger of rock called the Devil's Pulpit.
And, you know, I thought it's good.
It's got that sort of semi-biblical sort of feel about it.
And there's an abbey down below.
Wouldn't it be great for our walk-loving father to do?
So we thought for his birthday, how about not walking on the Malvern Hills for a change, but having a bit of an expedition down to Tintin.
So that's setting the scene.
Now, had the weather been beautiful, I might have just pulled it off, but on arrival, it was pissing down.
We started the walk wet.
And why is that, Dick?
Why was it pissing down?
Probably because of chemtrails.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, we did the walk in the wet.
Our father is 89, so he's not as fast as he was.
He goes at kind of like a decent-paced shuffle.
And, you know, he's a tough old git.
He can put up with a lot.
And he put up with just about all of it.
But we were kind of nearly there.
And I kept on saying, this is the last climb.
And you look up and there's a boulder-strewn, sort of, 45-degree climb with a fallen tree across it.
And the boulder-strewn... The fallen tree?
The fallen tree was quite something.
We thought that he wasn't going to be able to negotiate that.
That was quite a task.
He had to essentially flop onto it, lie across it, and then drop over to the other side.
We were vaulting it like the youthful things that we are.
It's a challenge when you're 89 and you're already walking up through a river.
This normal path has become a river.
Anyway, it just kept on going on and on and on.
Half of us went off on a journey to try and get to the Devil's Pulpit, and me, Bear and Pa decided that we would try and find a forest trail back down to base camp.
And it took hours.
I did feel guilty leaving you, Dick.
You shouldn't have done.
It was fine.
We were good.
Bear was absolutely brilliant.
This is our sister's partner.
Who is a wonderful, wonderful guy, and he's on a walking frame.
I mean, he's got a badly messed up back, so he did amazingly well.
And his spirits kept us all going.
He was relentlessly cheerful.
He kept on talking about how beautiful it was there, and we were making light of it.
We were talking about who was going to play us in the film of this disaster, because clearly we were all going to die, and it was going to become quite a legendary event.
We get back.
We have a meal at the local pub.
All is well.
We dry off.
Pa's a bit grumpy.
It was a bit of a disaster.
On the way back, it's still raining.
It's raining and raining and raining.
And we come off the motorway, don't we?
You, me and Pa in my car.
And what do we come across?
A flooded out road.
Yeah?
And there's cars.
Don't forget, so we were desperate to get home after all this.
Yeah, we were all wet and miserable.
You'd missed the turn-off, hadn't you, on the M50?
I'd missed the turn-off that would have taken us via Ledbury, but this was still a legit route, just about.
Okay.
Coming off the M50.
And you take a few windy roads, and then you've got to cross this one bit.
And if you don't cross this one bit, you're on a sort of 20-mile detour.
Exactly.
And I looked at it.
So we looked at each other.
There's a veritable river coming across this road and there's cars turning around and the drivers are shaking their heads and I looked at it and I went Right, we're going to do this.
I didn't even say anything, did I?
It was just driving into it.
No, we both decided.
It wasn't just you.
Yeah?
Did we discuss?
Don't rewrite history where you're the... Well, I'm the hero.
Of course it was discussed.
It would have been both of us if it had gone wrong.
Yes.
The person who didn't participate was Pa.
Who was sat in the back.
He would have sat in the back.
No, he was in the front.
This is how badly I remember things.
No, he was in the front.
But anyway, the point is that he kept quiet, giving himself cover for the moment when we failed, when he could have just said, you're bloody idiots.
And it was quite obvious that that was way too deep a ford to cross.
That was the most stupidly inappropriate flood I've ever driven through.
We should so have said no.
And I don't know what we were doing because it got deeper and deeper.
Even now it haunts me.
And as we were halfway across, there was still miles to go.
And I was thinking, what could it be?
Dick and I are going to be, I'm going to be behind this car.
Is Dick and I going to be pushing this thing?
It's going to be hell.
Knee deep in water.
And then we're going to have to be rescued.
And it's going to take forever.
But the thing is, when you're driving through a flood, it's that Churchill thing, isn't it?
When you're going through hell, keep going.
Well, you can't reverse, can you?
Because what would that do to your exhaust pipe?
Exactly.
So you have to keep on moving through, relying on the fact that you're creating a bow wave, and just push on through.
And that moment that you start to feel the car rising back out of it, and you're going, you know what, we might just make this.
And you come out the other side, and that feeling you get of, oh my God, what have we just done?
We've come through that.
I was so surprised that we made it out that I can't, even now, I can't believe that we did it.
I think there's an alternative universe where you and I are still stuck there with the grumbling father in the front seat saying, I told you, things you've seen are...
Do you picture all those videos that I've seen on YouTube of cars that drive into a 4 and then they're lifted up and they're just floating away?
It doesn't take much to float a car, they don't have to go that deep, but I picture us just being lifted up and floating away.
But if I wasn't in a Dacia Duster, which has quite high clearance, it's not a 4x4, it's in a lot of ways a poxy little car, It served us proud that day.
Anyway, we're probably boring people with our Ford story.
No, no, no, they're not.
They're loving it.
It was bloody exciting for me.
I was fooled by the high clearance of your car into imagining, even though I knew otherwise, imagining that it was 4x4.
In fact, that would have been my excuse.
I would have then blamed your shit car for fooling me into thinking it was better than it was.
And me for not telling you it wasn't a 4x4.
Dick, what were you thinking?
You should have told me it wasn't a 4x4.
Yeah, yeah.
Anyway.
Anyway, we made it.
We did it and it was good.
I was riding that wave of euphoria all the way home.
It was sort of like, and it was the Delingpole boys, including Pa, all together sort of against the elements.
And we did thank God, didn't we?
We did thank the big man for his intervention, which is quite obvious.
We did, we did and you know yet again he did it for us.
By the way the reason I'm sort of I'm burping or sort of you know making funny noises is my latest weirdo health thing I've been doing.
Do you know about Terps?
Now, I've seen this mentioned as one of the things you can't talk about as an alternative health therapy, along with ivermectin and various cures for cancer that you can't possibly mention without being taken down.
Why can't you talk about it?
Partly the Cancer Act of 1949 and things like that.
I'm not talking about cancer.
But I'm also talking about the Facebook rules for alternative therapies you're not allowed to big up.
You can't talk in terms about them working and there was something about them Releasing a list of the therapies that you weren't allowed to talk about.
And it actually became a list, a de facto list of the best alternative therapies that really work.
And one of them was turpentine.
And I was thinking turpentine, the stuff I clean my brushes with.
So tell me more.
Okay.
So you've got to, obviously this is, I totally forbid that anyone should Even consider this, this non-treatment, because it's rubbish and it will kill you.
But were you to do it, were you foolish enough to do it, as I have been, you've got to make sure you get hold of the pure spirit of turpentine.
It's got to be the, you know, the pure thing, not the industrial stuff you might use to kill... So white spirit or polycell brush cleaner wouldn't work?
No, it really wouldn't.
OK, well that's me out then.
Have you ever been tempted to drink Terps?
I've probably got some here.
Oh yeah, what does it say on your packet?
Oh no, that's enamel thinners.
I've got a Nazi medal here.
That's an original.
That's not a Ritterkreuz, is it?
It's not a standard cross, but it's one of the rare ones.
This is where I keep all my paints and shit.
I'm sure this makes terrible pod, but... No, it's great.
People love it.
I haven't ever been tempted to drink it, no.
No, me neither.
So, you get the purest stuff and... Yeah, yeah, what you don't do.
Unless you're foolish enough to do it.
You get a teaspoon of sugar.
They do say that helps the medicine go down.
In the most delightful way.
And you drip about half to three quarters of a teaspoon of this white, pure spirit of turpentine onto the sugar.
And for some reason, I don't know why, but the rule apparently is that not all the sugar must be soaked.
If it's all soaked, you start all over again.
And then you swallow this teaspoon, drink it down with water or whatever.
And what it does, supposedly, is it creates an environment where all the parasites with which we are all swarming to a greater or lesser degree, it will.
It makes the environment, your body environment, sort of pretty much uninhabitable for them.
So if you go onto the internet and you look at various experts talking about this, including there's an American woman who's been promoting this and she tells an interesting back story that turpentine was the only, or spirits of turps, was the only
Healing substance that was available to the slaves and let the slaves would sometimes even heal Massa and Massa's family Using this this magical folk remedy and I don't know how much of this is actually true, you know because it raises more questions than it answers like How do they know about this?
How did they get access to the to the pine needle to be able to distill it?
Why turpentine and not other other folk medicines?
But anyway In the 1895 Merck as in Merck the company that you know the big now part of the big evil big farmer.
Merck was not so evil in 1895 and it was much more open to to things like turpentine and it had 75 conditions listed or thereabouts which turps could treat.
So it was a known thing, before Rockefeller Medicine kicked in, Terps was known to be affected for a number of conditions.
So I thought I'd give it a go.
And when you go to these people who talk about it, they say things like, oh yes, and you must purge yourself for a fortnight beforehand, and you must make sure that you're on a vegan diet.
All the different people's protocols reflect their own particular biases.
So the woman who pushes this thing, who tells the story about the slavery, is clearly pro-vegan.
That's her thing.
So of course she's going to say that.
And even the most lax ones say you must only take it so many days and then so many days off and you must do this and you do that.
What I find annoying about these formal protocols is that they're kind of arse-covery.
They're so demanding.
They set the bar so high for the way you take it and the way you prepare for it and stuff that you're never really going to do it.
So the only way I find most of us are able to do it is to do what I did and just do it.
So what I did, I just did it.
I've done it for a few days.
And what I can report is I got terrible shakes for the first two or three days after.
In the first 20 minutes after I'd taken it, I was like, like that.
Yeah.
But I wasn't worried about it.
Apparently the minimum fatal dose that four tablespoons.
Has killed a child once, but I wasn't, I wasn't drinking four tablespoons.
You're talking fractions of a teaspoon though, yeah?
Yeah, yeah.
Like drops.
And the thing you have to do, the one where I think they're absolutely right, all these kind of protocol setters, is you have to You have to poo a lot.
You have to have a minimum of, ideally, of three motions a day.
And that is quite difficult.
The reason you have to do it is because these parasites have got to escape.
Otherwise, all they do is they get moved around into different parts of your anatomy.
And that's no good.
You want to get rid of them.
You want to get out.
Get out.
Yeah.
So then you have to do things like you have to swallow.
I've been swallowing castor oil.
Have you ever done that?
No.
No.
Do you have it literally on a spoon, not even in a capsule?
Yeah, I thought castor oil was poisonous, and I think you need to have quite a bit.
You probably need about three teaspoons minimum.
Is two teaspoons... You're not really selling me this thing.
No, no, no, but you had me on the Lugol's iodine, which I do two drops a day, and I've been doing that for a while, and that's just something you can do without having to...
Stay on the crapper all day, but wait, wait, wait, go on.
Okay.
This is the point where where I'm going to lose some listeners, but I don't I really don't care because yeah, fuck it.
But but you know, people who think I've just I just gone too mad.
Do you know about the theory that parasites are basically the cause of everything?
Yeah.
Cancer, heart disease and stuff, okay.
And it's why dogs can sniff things out like that and why they can sniff out cancer and etc, etc, yeah.
So, here's the thing.
I reckon that parasites act in the service of the demons.
That they have a kind of... that they work hand-in-hand.
So... Parasites... I think that they exert control on your mind, for example.
They make you want to eat the shit that parasites eat.
I mean, there's even the theory that parasites make you gay.
And people... Sorry.
Do you not know about this one?
No.
Apparently turpentine has been known to cure people from being gay.
I can't vouch for that, but okay, so I think that the parasites do affect their host.
What the parasites want is, they want a weakened immune system, don't they?
Because then they can operate more...
More freely.
They want you to eat lots of sugar.
They probably want you to do unhygienic things.
Lots of yeast.
Lots of wheat.
All the carby stuff.
So what entities might benefit from a human being under Under parasitic infestation, weakened by parasites.
What might they gain from it?
Think of some shadowy entities that might benefit from... I mean, you know, like, what are the things that feed on our energies when we're low and stuff?
What like us to be depressed and... What, the demons?
Yeah, the demons, exactly.
So, that's why I think they work hand-in-hand with the parasites, yeah?
And I think that there is some kind of relationship between the demons and the parasites.
A sort of symbiotic thing?
Yeah.
At the very least, it could even be in as much as they are a subsection of the demons.
It could even be more than that.
So here's the weird thing.
You haven't asked me yet.
Have I felt any different for having taken this stuff?
Yeah.
Well, I was hoping you would get to the positive aspect of it rather than spending the day on the bog and having to take castor oil.
It's all been not great so far, so the upside had better be good.
Well, you see, I think I have been feeling slightly, like, Like the things that make my thoughts go bad have not been quite so omnipresent.
Right.
That's the best way I can put it.
Yeah, so the sort of monkey thoughts.
Yes.
I feel sort of calmer.
I feel like I'm more in control of my own thoughts.
And you've just come through a period of Lyme relapse as well, haven't you?
I have, I have.
But you know, the mistake I made, this is really really stupid, I started doing, and this is some serious medical advice for me, I started doing While the wife went away for the weekend, I started doing a parasite cleanse with this thing called Humor Worm.
Humor Worm has got all these herbs, wormwood obviously, that parasites hate.
I don't know whether it kills them or whether it drives them out, but I think it probably kills them.
So I started talking about this on my telegram channel, which is a very, very stupid thing to do.
Because what happens is you get all manner of opinions about, about whether or not this is a good thing or a bad thing.
And what people, some people said was the danger about this is that certain parasites can sequester heavy metals like mercury.
And when you kill them, they, The heavy metal gets released and makes you even iller than you would have been if the parasites were just there.
So I, at that point, I was only about three days into it.
I stopped taking the protocol.
And I think that was a really bad mistake.
I think that what that enabled the parasites to do was you having been sort of half, you know, weakened, then they suddenly came back with a vengeance and worse than before.
So I think it's a bit like taking a full course of antibiotics.
You've got to take the full course if you're going to go that way.
So the selenium is another thing that takes up the heavy metals on a detox front.
It's in a lot of multivitamins, certainly in the high quality multivitamins that I take.
And that does the same sort of thing.
It's a vessel that is there to pick up The heavy metals and, you know, is it the aluminium that's in VACs?
I think things like that.
And that's why selenium is a good thing to have as part of your vitamin intake.
But I should imagine if that was somehow incapacitated and that was to drop its load, you'd have all those heavy metals back in you.
So yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
But it does sound a bit radical.
Yeah, well, I'm not dead yet.
So, I've got one more thing I want to show you, because I know you like to keep these podcasts quite... especially when you've been delayed for... Can I just say one thing first, or are you going to forget the thing that you were going to say first?
Talking of crazy health things, did you know that we've got... I've been communicating with Ivor Cummings is coming to Ledbury to the Barn to do a talk.
Is he?
He was on his way back to Ireland after doing some talks, I think in London or what have you, and he was looking for a place to stop off on his way back and maybe do another talk and meet some people.
It was looking like he might have been able to make a third Wednesday at the barn in Ledbury, but Monday would have suited him better.
So this is Monday the 15th of April, and I let him arrange things with Robin at the barn.
I left it to them.
And he's doing two talks, two two-hour talks.
One is going to be on health and diet.
And then later in the evening, he's doing one on global politics.
And we've been selling tickets, which includes a keto buffet.
And it's an absolute coup for us in Ledbury.
It's a really exciting thing.
But if anyone is in the Ledbury area, 15th of April, you can get tickets from Robin at the bar.
How many tickets?
Well, it's only limited, I think there's going to be 40 people in all.
So, I think most of them are probably sold already.
Oh, you'll sell out no problem.
No, I think it's going to sell out no problem.
I'm seeing Robin tomorrow after my walk, but it's, you know, it's a major player appearing in Leadbury.
It's going to be fantastic.
So, yeah, I might have to quiz him about the turpentine thing, see if he knows anything about it.
Hmm.
But yeah, very much looking forward to that.
Very exciting stuff.
So carry on, your thing.
Yes, my thing.
Well, I couldn't remember what I was going to say.
Oh, I knew you'd forget it if I interrupted you.
I'm going to give you my Coverdale Salter.
Okay.
Well, it's a much easier way of reading the psalms than... You know what?
I prefer Coverdale to KJV now.
And I was reading... Is it 121?
I Lift Up My Eyes?
Yeah.
I was reading the version in King James Version, and you were right.
The version we learned at school was Coverdale.
And so, yeah.
I'm on my fourth psalm now, so 121 will be... Oh, which one are you doing?
121.
I will lift up my arms into the hills.
So that's my fourth one.
So I've got 23, 91... 23, 91, 121 and I forget which other one.
But yeah, I've got a good arsenal of psalms in my head, recited every day.
I've got 2391, 121 and I forget which other one, but yeah, I've got a good arsenal of psalms in my I've got a good arsenal of psalms in my head, recited every day.
You should do...
I'm going to write this down because I'll forget.
What's 46 all about?
You'll know it well.
God is our hope and strength, the very present help in trouble.
Gotcha, yeah.
Yeah.
And... Oh, I remember the name of the church.
It was Christchurch in Loughborough.
Right.
And the pastor there, it was my mate, Johnny Woodrow, who has just started doing a podcast.
So it's worth, I hope people will look at his podcast.
He's great.
He's funny and he's based and he's a proper Christian.
Right.
We like based Christians.
We light-based Christians.
I think it's the only kind you want, actually.
I was going to change the bulb thing, weren't I?
Yeah, you are flashing a little bit.
The book you have got to get.
Go on.
It is just amazing.
The Unseen Realm by Michael S. Heiser.
Right?
Yeah.
Oh, it's... it is... it is just... it's awesome.
Is it new or old?
No, it's not.
He's dead.
He died before I could get him on the podcast.
A few people recommended him to me.
He, too, is really, he's the perfect combination.
He's completely based.
He's got this sort of dry, slightly, almost cynical-sounding delivery.
It's cool, you know.
He's not going to be anybody's fool.
And he's very, very erudite.
It's clear.
He's a Hebrew scholar.
And he got his PhD in Bible studies.
And he clearly speaks some of the other ancient languages as well, including Greek, obviously.
But I think he might be familiar with some of the more obscure languages.
So when he talks about the Bible, when he talks about the Old Testament, he's not going to be distracted by Translations which maybe misrepresent the original text.
He knows his Hebrew.
And this book answers so many of the questions that you've asked about God and things like Adam and Eve.
If Adam and Eve are innocent in the garden, So how can we blame Eve for sinning when she didn't know what sin was?
And also, if God knows everything that's coming, does that mean that everything is predestined?
And so, doesn't that mean he's kind of responsible for all the bad shit that happens?
Is God evil?
And the best bit I've read so far is where he explains much more clearly than I've ever seen written before about why God allows evil to happen, why we live in a world where horrible things happen.
And he talks about the nature of free will in a way that makes sense.
But essentially it's this.
We are made in God's image.
And among the many attributes that we share with God, although on a much lower level because of course only God is perfect, we have these characteristics which are the characteristics of God because he has imbued us with them.
One of them is free will.
And without this quality, we would be automatons, wouldn't we?
We'd just be like robots, going around the Garden of Eden being good, because we know nothing else.
This is why he had to give us free will.
And the price of free will, inevitably, logically, is the freedom to choose wrong things, bad things.
Just as it did that love would be meaningless if evil didn't exist because it wouldn't be love wouldn't be an active choice it would be just a kind of a default position Do you see what I mean?
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Love would have no value.
I'm reconciled with the bulk of this argument already.
But he explains it very well.
And he also explains about the Divine Council.
The situation in heaven is, it's not like God on his own just going bling bling bling and make this stuff happen.
He's playing his God game.
Yeah, exactly.
Isn't he?
It's not like that.
He's got this, he's got this counsel.
He's like the CEO of a business and sort of he directs the strategy and Decides where the company what its purpose is and and where it's going And what his aims are and so on but then he's got all these executives Who are there to discuss and advise and and either make good or bad decisions and
So there were these spirit beings that he also created.
And these spirit beings were there.
These are the Elohim.
Because the Elohim, or Elohim, sorry, Elohim, can either mean God, when it's in its singular.
Well, no, Elohim is a plural, I think.
But depending on its context, it either means God or all the different The different members of the Divine Council, the other spirit beings.
And they were there while God was creating the Earth and creating man, this Divine Council.
And this was the point where some of the Divine Council went, why are you creating these horrible, these people that you love and you're nice to them?
These maggoty things.
Yeah, what?
No!
All right then, okay, if you're going to do that, I'm going to go down and really, really mess with them.
I'm going to introduce them to P. Diddy records and things.
And I'm going to help them discover adrenochrome.
and things.
And I'm going to help them discover adrenochrome.
And give them Banksy.
Oh, give them Banksy.
That was a low blow, wasn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
That was... Whichever demon dreamt up that one?
The pinnacle of 21st century art.
Banksy.
Dear, oh dear.
Right, shall we call it a day?
Yeah.
Sorry, no, you were going to come up with... I think we should do.
Who else is as bad as Banksy?
Well, that Satan woman artist.
The one that the Rothschilds like.
Narrow it down.
You know the Satan woman?
Marina Abramovich.
Oh right, OK.
I don't know enough about her.
No, no.
For another day.
You don't listen to enough of my podcasts.
I'm so behind on your podcasts.
Yeah.
But I will try and catch up.
Sort it out, Dick.
Yeah.
At least I don't get to watch this one because I know what happens.
Yeah, exactly, I know.
Gives me a bit of respite.
Anyway, I'm seeing you soon, aren't I?
So we'll talk more off-camera.
Yeah.
I've got rare off-camera chat.
That'll be weird, won't it?
That'll be a novelty.
When we say, oh God, if only we'd said this on the podcast!
Oh, it'd be so annoying.
It would be really annoying.
We'd be thinking that all the time.
Keep saying to yourself, don't say anything interesting, in case it's pod-worthy.
