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I would imagine that most of my viewers and listeners don't know you from Adam, so just briefly tell us about yourself.
Okay.
I am a Canadian independent researcher and author.
I've written a couple of books that weren't related to religion at all.
They were actually based on my former obsession, which was video games and video game analysis.
I had a video game fan website for many years.
It's still up.
But it would always seep into conspiracy theories and into pop culture analysis and what's going on in the larger society.
And when the lockdowns happened, I decided to just abandon that and go right for the throat, talk about the thing that actually mattered to me the most.
And that was the big picture of prophecy, where we are in the world, how we got here.
And where it's all going.
And so there was two books.
The first one was maybe everyone is wrong.
Revelation's Conspiracy in the Kingdom of Heaven.
This one was where I really figured out where I stood on everything.
Re-examining all these major traditions that I had grown up with and I attended prophecy conferences and all these types of things trying to understand the big picture.
But the more I examined it, the more disappointed I was in it all.
So I did this, then I created a TikTok account to explain all the information in the book for free, just try to give it away as much as I could.
And to my shock and surprise, it It went very viral.
I got 220,000 followers on TikTok in about a year's time.
Millions and millions of likes and views on those videos.
It turned out TikTok was starving for Christian content, which you'd never have guessed.
And from there, it just sort of steamrolled into getting an endless torrent of people bringing up controversies and questions and sort of leading me down these rabbit holes and trying to
Forced me to believe what they believed and it was this real tug of war, very interesting sort of furnace of pop culture discussion because I had so many followers and I was getting thousands of followers a week who were just tuning in and because of lockdowns, everyone sort of was startled awake and realized something very Evil was going on in society.
So I would say that was really where I sort of forged into having to have positions on this and having to know what I'm talking about because I refuse to be somebody who never checked sources and didn't do proper research on these things.
I mean, I'm going to be sport for choice here.
I have to say, I read a long interview you gave and Without overselling you, I'd say that you offered the best, most convincing, all-encompassing explanation for what is going on right now that I've ever seen.
I think it's amazing and scary.
That must be the Liza Unbecoming sub-stack post, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I decided to lay it all out there.
I figured somebody out there would appreciate it.
I didn't know if I should go light on it or not, but I decided to just dive right in and lay out the big picture because I try to do that as much as possible.
Get people up to speed with where we really are, because the time is short.
We need to beat this thing.
We're in a race, and we need to be winning, not just catching up all the time.
Yeah.
Before we go on to the heavier stuff, what's your favourite video game?
Oh, my favorite video game has to be Metal Gear Solid 1, released in 1998 for the PlayStation 1.
That's what sort of made me fall in love with video games on a very much deeper level, where narrative and a whole immersive world is sort of being built around you, and you The game actually starts commenting on your actions as a player.
If you go around killing a lot of enemies and a lot of guards, it's sort of a stealth game.
You're not supposed to be killing the enemies.
The game actually criticizes you eventually and calls you out for being a bloodlust-fueled maniac, basically.
And that blew my mind as a video gamer, so I sort of fell in love with Hideo Kojima's bizarre Japanese view of the military-industrial complex.
It talked about genetic engineering.
It actually talked about Designer viruses, mRNA vaccines, custom, like all sorts of strange things that are actually coming into the forefront now.
And so it was sort of a, I was just a teenager, but this sort of surreal glimpse into what this Japanese auteur thought about the American military system.
And so that's my favorite game.
Yeah.
Do you reckon, I mean, given that we know that the music industry, the TV and movie industries, and the gaming industry are all part of the mind control, Do you think that there are figures within the gaming industry that are not working for the enemy?
Do you think messages are allowed to get through which contradict the one they want to send out?
Yeah, I think Japan is the exception, especially, because although they idolize Hollywood in many ways, and a lot of them are just trying to create something very simplistic that will appeal overseas, I think Hideo Kojima, at least in his earlier games there, he was really trying to be subversive, and he would leak things in his games that
We're way ahead of their time and very shocking.
In one of his games he talks about Operation Paperclip, the effort to bring over all these Nazi scientists to America and incorporate them into the national security apparatus as if it was nothing.
And that was like in 2004 or something.
That was after the War on Terror.
It's a very strange thing to be putting in his games, but it's all dressed up as just sort of a military fantasy Tom Clancy-esque And Tom Clancy's very jingoistic propaganda.
And the US military has a lot of oversight over all the pop culture depictions of the army and what you can say, what's classified, what you can't say, and that kind of stuff.
And so I think maybe some European Developers and a lot of people slip in things.
I don't think video games are nearly as controlled as Hollywood because they're so huge and nuanced if they want to be.
There'd be things you could slip in there that no one would even notice until they've played the game for 300 hours.
So I think video games are more liberating and probably the Japanese games are the most, have the most potential to sort of break through that.
Yeah, my son tells me that of all the countries he's visited, Japan is the one that most blew him away because it is so culturally distinct from anywhere.
It's absolutely, they know that they're Japanese and they don't want to be anybody else.
And there are restaurants you can go into where they won't serve you if you don't speak Japanese and things like that.
And rather than sort of saying, this is outrageous, this is a form of racism or whatever, he was thinking, Yeah, that's cool.
They are proud of their culture and they want to defend it.
Yeah, the whole world doesn't have to be a melting pot.
It's okay to have strong identities and be proud of your culture.
If a country is big enough, like America, you can still have small towns and places all over the place that still feel like that, but it would certainly be attacked as being racist and all sorts of things like that by By the progressive side of things, they're trying to incorporate us all into the big hive mind.
And then when Japanese people go to Paris, there's a thing called the Paris Syndrome, where they become so disillusioned because they thought it would be a paradise, a beautiful renaissance masterpiece, and then it's actually a known psychological phenomenon of the Japanese people.
Going to Paris and falling out of love and becoming very jaded.
They actually become physically ill and it's a very strange situation there.
So they have a warped perception of us as well.
They sort of have an idealized version of Europe and America, I think.
So they're very isolated in some ways, but they're very innovative.
Yeah, it's an interesting, weird complex.
They've got a lot of problems of their own, unfortunately, with their population rates and such.
What do you mean with that?
Well, the Japanese population rate is so low that they're going to die off pretty soon.
Nobody's having children.
Their average age, I think, is getting close to 50 or 60.
They're not replacing their own population.
And they're not, like you said, they're not supporting immigration either.
They're not flooding their country with a bunch of outsiders.
So they're proudly sticking to their culture while also dwindling And not replacing themselves.
So economists are sort of just watching it in disbelief as we don't know what's going to happen there if everyone just keeps getting older and they don't have immigrants.
Yeah, well that kind of fits in with what you were saying about, should we cut to the chase, about the green horse?
Let's!
We have so much to get into.
The green horse of the apocalypse, which you've, because you've made it your business to study the book of Revelation, and you've written, you've written how many books on it?
Two, really.
Two?
Yeah.
And we know from people like Bill Cooper that the traditional translation of that is a pale horse, but But it's not, is it?
It's actually... What is the Greek word for... Right.
So the text, there's one word used that's chloros.
That's the Greek word.
And that's where we get the terms chlorophyll and all these scientific terms that are related to green things.
The chloros is very definitely the term green.
And if you go to something like the New English translation of the Bible, you will see green in the text.
They've translated it that way.
But for some reason a lot of the older translations, and even a lot of the modern ones, they'd still go with pale or something else.
But once I realized that it was actually chloros, and that other parts of the New Testament that all use the same kind of Greek, the same word is not translated pale.
It's translated as green in those other places, even in the Book of Revelation.
And so it's a very curious choice to not translate it as green consistently across the board.
But once you realize that and you see that these colors of the four riders of Revelation have symbolic meaning, to me that unlocked the whole picture of where we are today.
Yeah.
You see, this is next level.
So, as you probably know, I wrote a book about the sort of the green insanity, a book called Watermelons, which is green on the outside, red on the inside.
So, I was sort of linking, underneath the green surface is essentially totalitarianism, which I think is also true.
But you've taken it to the next level, the spiritual level, and you've recognized, I think correctly, that The Green Horse of Revelation is the anti-human, the Malthusian death cult of the modern green movement and government policy.
Yeah, so the description and revelation of the four horses are very short.
The Bible says almost nothing about these four horsemen, but what it does say is so packed with meaning, if you can look at history and see how this has been unfolding, the fourth rider, it's the last of the four, it's the green one, And it, unlike the other ones, is ridden by death itself.
And so it is strongly identified with a death cult, a death movement, and that's where you have the description that it has the God-given authority to kill 25% of the world, a quarter of the world, using, well, the actual terminology it uses is the sword, famine,
And then the other word is just death, but it's generally assumed to mean diseases or unseen causes, because it just looks like somebody dies, you don't have something being inflicted on them, and then wild beasts, and I don't pretend to know exactly what that means, but in a war situation, it always happens that When a bunch of people die and the food supply collapses, there's a famine.
And once there's a famine, people's immune systems are destroyed and they have many diseases.
And once there's a bunch of population that's diseased and weak and can't protect itself, that's when wild animals come in and prey on the weak.
So, historically, that is the chain of events that happens, but prophetically, that's actually what it says a quarter of the world will experience when this rider rises to full power.
I was thinking it could be rewilding, this tendency of restoring the wolf population to Europe and so on.
Giving animals more rights than humans, they floated that idea.
Giving rivers and trees more rights than humans, it becomes a crime to violate nature's rights.
I mean, the rights of mankind go away.
That's a very real prospect we're looking at with the insane green cult that wants us all dead and considers that to be progress.
Yeah.
I think a lot of, even critics of the green movement don't quite understand because they can't, they're incapable of making that mental leap.
Is the, for want of a better word, satanic nature of the green Enterprise they think that it's kind of well to start off with they think it's a grassroots movement to which governments are responding which is why we have organizations like extinction rebellion these sort of these and and and characters like like Greta Thunberg and Who are shown to us as as a sort of a manifestation of a of a popular?
movement when of course they're they're funded by the the Sinister George Soros.
Yeah, George Soros exactly but people think that okay, so governments are a responding to a few loonies and and be that There is nothing malign about this, that they are responding to what they believe is a more or less credible threat, and perhaps they've exaggerated it a bit, but ultimately their intentions are good.
Whereas by your reading, and I think mine too, this is quite deliberate.
Yeah, this has very identifiable roots.
It is basically a secret, but if you know how to dig up the official paperwork and statements over the decades, it's not that much of a secret.
I mean, Mikhail Gorbachev was the leading figure of the environmentalist movement and basically said he would accomplish, I'm sure this is something you probably mentioned in your book, but He basically said that he would accomplish what the Soviet Union failed to do with NGOs and with this sort of fake climate crisis.
But even if you go back further than that, you have HG Wells, you have this sort of road society, Think tanks in Britain that were thinking up how to drag America into this global system, how to convince the world to give up national sovereignty and sort of indulge the world government idea.
In fact, HG Wells wrote a book literally called The New World Order, as well as another one called The Open Conspiracy, Blueprints for a World Revolution.
And people just think he's a science fiction author, but he was actually one of the most influential, think tank, you know, well-funded, Huxley family funded intellectuals.
And George Orwell's 1984 was actually a response to H.G.
Wells.
There's articles you can look up of George Orwell talking about H.G.
Wells being the This dystopian figure who thinks he's creating a utopia but he's actually creating this hell that he ends up depicting in 1984 where everything is sterile and lifeless and emotionless and joyless and people have been dumbed down to the point where they can't express themselves anymore and all these types of things that Orwell saw in HG Wells's Misguided utopianism and H.G.
Wells ended up inspiring, well you talked about theosophy, that's a key component of even of the Green Movement because it's so tied in with Eastern mysticism and it's tied in with what I call the Aquarian conspiracy.
And if you want to get into that, I mean, that's where you have this movement that penetrates all forms of government and business to try to establish this green world order, as I call it.
It's about letting go of your own identity, letting go of all divisions, borders, not in a totalitarian police state, but in a post-collapse Rejuvenation, a celebration of what it means to be human, to have agrarian, simple lives.
It's really neo-feudalism.
It's this break down the modern society, collapse everything, kill off most people.
They're just a carbon footprint we need to get rid of to protect Mother Earth.
And the end result is this, you know, this chance to start over again.
That's how they can justify it in their own minds that they're saving the world from us.
We are the bad people that they are trying to save the world from.
And that's really what's behind the Aquarian Conspiracy.
And I believe that's the fulfillment of the Green Riders.
Yes, I mean, I'm glad you brought up the Aquarian Conspiracy, although I was thinking of saving it for the kind of the main course.
We're just in the, we're just warming up at the moment.
Just before, because actually you're the first person I've had on the podcast who can talk about Revelation, which has got this, this, I mean, I remember when I was at school I'm not a particularly interested Christian other than we have to go to chapel every day and twice on Sundays and stuff.
But I remember the book of Revelation being this thing that you almost like you turn to it like a kind of porn mag, you know, and you'd read a bit about the beast 666 and stuff.
Revelation, tell me about briefly about its origins.
I mean, how do we know it's real and that it matters and that it's authentic?
Well, I mean, I think if you look at the scholarship around the Book of Revelation, it is accepted by the Church very early on.
There is a debate whether it was written before or after the Second Temple was destroyed.
I think modern scholars like to say that it was written afterwards.
And that all the symbolism is basically a retroactive discussion of the Second Temple, siege of Jerusalem, and stuff like that, because they don't want to acknowledge that its prophecies actually started to come true.
I don't accept that, but the... Is that called pressurism?
That is, I suppose, Preterism would be different insofar as it says that all of the prophecies of Revelation were fulfilled basically within the first century and revolving around the temple.
Just the dating of it and the scholarship around it doesn't necessarily imply preterism, but it's definitely tied in there.
The idea that 666 is just a reference to Nero and all the symbols can be related to something in the first century, and of course I completely reject that idea.
I'm with you, bro.
I think it's a complete cop-out to say, oh yeah, Revelation, it sounds really scary, but actually it's already happened.
I debated on TikTok.
I did a lot of live streams and I debated people who were very educated preterists and they had built their whole understanding around that.
And I would ask them basic questions and they would just completely flounder.
They had no answer.
They were just stuck on a couple of symbols that they They assume people don't know and so they can just sort of go on their spiel and people get wound up and say, well, that sounds about right to me.
But I don't accept that because I went verse by verse and actually studied how it's telling a linear story that you can't chop up in reverse engineer.
It's actually the only book in the entire Bible that has its own numbering system.
You didn't need to put chapters in it, because it is already structured with this symbol of the seven-sealed book.
There's seven seals that have to break in sequential order, and then that unlocks the seven trumpets.
Seven trumpets have to go in the particular order, and then there's the seven vials or the seven bowls that have to be fulfilled.
And my interpretation is the first one that I could find in the entire internet, in the entire history of Christian interpretation, that takes that structure seriously and says, you cannot take the fifth trumpet and shove it into the third seal and Play all these games with mixing it around.
To me, that's blasphemous.
That's insane.
God dictates this book as prophecy to John in this particular order and gives it the symbols of these particular sequences.
And then I look up any major interpretation and they just go wild with it.
They say that it restarts halfway through and then it's actually just repeating itself and that's why my book, Maybe Everyone Is Wrong, is called Maybe Everyone Is Wrong.
It's to say, maybe now, in the 21st century, thanks to the internet and the amount of historical information we have, we can actually go back and revisit these traditions and do better.
We still have time.
God has given us time to still analyze this and figure it out, and I don't trust that people have done it in the past.
So, it was a very strange exercise to go against all the traditions, but it paid off, I believe, and the structure of it is really amazing to me, when you don't mix it around.
Who was the John that had this vision?
Presumably the Apostle John, John the Beloved, you know, the one that wrote 1 John, 2 John, and the Gospel of John.
I mean, these are all things that modern scholars will try to pick apart and they'll dispute the authorship of every single book in the Bible and say that not even a single book was ever written by the person that it claimed to be written by.
But, you know, why are we trusting them?
They don't know.
So we've got, just remind me what the other three horses are that precede the Green Horse.
Right, so the first one is the White Horse.
Its basic description, very short, is basically that it had a bow, and it was given a crown, and it was going forth to conquer, and its job was to conquer.
The second one is the Red Horse.
It's said to have a giant sword and it has the power to take peace from among the nations, to take peace from the earth.
To me that's interesting because it doesn't actually say that it commits violence itself, it says that it is taking the peace from among the nations so that they fight each other.
The third one is the Black Rider, which everyone basically argues represents famine because it discusses the price of food.
It has a pair of balances, you know, the old measurement system they used to do for weighing gold and stuff like that.
It has a pair of balances and then it says that, you know, it's talking about the prices of barley and wine and stuff like that.
It actually doesn't say anything about famine.
I have a theory on that that is much more nuanced about the symbolism there, about basically the current system we live in, the banking world order, the price fixing and all that kind of stuff, but it's white, red, black and then green.
Right.
And in terms of the seals, we all know about the seventh seal because of that movie, Ingmar Bergman.
And how many seals have reopened so far?
Well, in my interpretation, we would be in the fourth seal right now.
So, the first three take a long time, it takes centuries to unfold each.
And the fourth one is actually kind of interesting because it has two Riders are two things happening at the same time.
It says that there's this green rider that comes out and hell, or the more accurate translation would be Hades, the grave, follows with it.
And so it's almost like there's this rider and then immediately behind it is the grave.
Which, what does that represent?
I believe it means basically a reign of Death, a reign of a world that is based on death and death worship, because to step back and give people sort of a bigger picture of what this seven seal book even represents in the first place, I believe it is telling the story through prophecy here of the ascent of Satan's world conspiracy against the kingdom of God.
So it's God predetermining the limits of Satan's conspiracy and then step-by-step allowing it to increase in power over time Until eventually it takes over the whole world and it seems like Christianity has failed and that's when Jesus makes his return.
That's sort of the topic of the seventh seal book, if you will.
And the reason why it had to be written that way and shown through the prophecy is so that Christians could know that as things get worse and worse in the world, it's not a sign that God has been defeated or that Satan is actually It's pretty rough, isn't it, for us Christians?
that this is what God has predetermined, and so it just must happen.
It's pretty rough, isn't it, for us Christians?
I mean, we know we're going to get horribly persecuted and stuff, and we accept that's part of the deal.
I mean, why did God why did God do this?
I mean what you know, I mean given that he created us in his image and he loves us What why did he create this scenario where the devil gets to?
run the world for this period and well the as far as I can tell the
The big picture reason is to show off that despite having an entire world conspiracy against us with not only human conspiracy but the Bible describes Satan being cast down to earth not to hell but to earth and a third of all the angels are sent down with him and they form this spiritual conspiracy on earth
That even with all of that, basically the entire world against us, they still can't defeat the kingdom.
They can't defeat the gospel.
Even if they kill us, we multiply.
The example that Jesus Christ set, Jesus is the ultimate winner in history, in God's perspective.
He's not the ultimate loser.
He's, by dying, he becomes, you know, the thing that breaks the back of the whole satanic empire.
And so it's sort of like giving people an opportunity to buy into this offer of the kingdom.
And we just, I mean, if you really pay attention to the narrative of the New Testament, it's entirely about how this world is already Forgone.
It's already doomed.
You know, Nietzsche and all these intellectuals hate us for that.
They want us to be invested in this world as the ultimate paradise.
We're going to build paradise on this earth.
But from God's point of view, that's not the case at all.
So we're really here to piss off the devil for a couple thousand years before we get to enjoy paradise.
And he gets to prove his point that he can't be stopped no matter what is against us.
Right, so from that perspective the book of Job makes a lot more sense.
God likes showing how faithful and enduring... Yes, it's exactly right, yes.
It's the, you know, Satan believing that somebody will lose their faith if he lets them suffer and it turns out that, you know, a godly person will humble themselves and won't abandon it and then God rewards them.
It's actually, that's a perfect observation there.
So, there are going to be people, I've noticed, whatever you want to call the awake community or the red-pilled people, I've noticed tremendous divisions between the Christian faction, of which I'm one, and the people who think that Christianity is either a distraction Or even a threat.
They characterize it, for example, as a kind of roll over and do nothing kind of trap that's been set for us, you know, because we're so passive that we think there's nothing that can be done, so therefore we're not going to make such good fighters.
And there are also these siren voices which say, Well, you've got to realize is that there are various things they come up with that Christianity was invented by the Jews to control us.
It's kind of Jewish psyop that it come, you know, it's a religion and the Latin from from religion religion is, you know, religio I bind and that it's again.
It's a form of constriction.
It's designed to stop us achieving our full potential and then you've got the people who've taken DMT and stuff like that and say, you know, I've communed with the gray people And you know the world is in it or they're seeing aliens and and so they've got a completely different or the world is a mushroom, you know, we're all kind of you know, the secret lives of the mushrooms this stuff and then people have got people who've tried yoga and they say what's not to like about yoga and and I found myself and my and you know, and Christianity is patriarchal.
You've heard all this stuff, but there is so much division.
What would you say to the non-Christians that might persuade them to make a case for our side of the argument?
Well, I actually think one of the best pieces of evidence is that the global elite, who are, we can usually, even among all those divisions, can usually agree that there's an evil elite, that they are hell-bent on eliminating biblical Christianity.
Generic Christianity, they don't care.
That's fine with them.
They don't need The name Jesus doesn't offend them as much as a biblical understanding of things.
It's once you start pulling out Scripture that they really panic.
They can't even be in the same room as somebody who's actually talking from the Word of God.
That, to me, has always struck me as a very powerful piece of evidence that, in fact, we're not marginal, weak people that aren't accomplishing anything.
It's actually, we're enemy number one.
There's been a campaign through the Catholic Church.
I'm very vocally In fact, I'm writing an entire book about the history of Rome and the Catholic Church being an imposter church.
You can look at the receipts, you can look at the massacres they've done and the heresies that they've killed tens of thousands of innocent people.
All that.
They have the false Christianity that they have no problem with, but it's once you have a revival movement, it's one of the reasons they've targeted the black community in America so much.
They had a very strong Christian church thing after the slaves were freed.
They basically flocked to Christianity.
They had some of the best churches, and then Even though these people were uneducated, they had no resources, they had nothing, they were no threat at all, they didn't even vote in most cases.
They had to target them and destroy them.
They had to run them out of town and get them hooked on drugs and alcohol, anything they could to try to subvert that culture, because that's actually what they're terrified of.
They have no problem with QAnon and with, you know, the radical All the people who think they're so subversive and radical, it's just a big joke.
You're not accomplishing anything.
You're not challenging the root system that they're all springing from.
So it's sort of just...
It's sort of like this illusion of rebellion that they've helped to curate, and I find that Christianity is actually the most radical and the most subversive to this day.
It's as controversial as it was when Jesus was alive.
Can I say, there's a lot of awake Catholics who are going to be recoiling in horror.
There are some very good Catholics out there, aren't there?
Yeah, my position on that is, that's something I came up with a lot in my TikToks too, because I don't hold back at all talking about the Catholic hierarchy, the Catholic system, the Vatican, but I've never seen a single Catholic, I've talked to hundreds, that actually defends the Vatican.
They defend their own faith and the faith of their family, the community they grew up in, maybe their local priest or something like that.
I think they all recognize that there's something very wrong with the Vatican and they can acknowledge there's a lot of atrocities in history and all these types of things, the Crusades and the colonizations of the Doctrine of Discovery, all these types of things.
So we actually share a lot of common ground and one of the things I say is that the Kingdom of God that is really what we're supposed to be attaining It's not a church.
It's nobody's church.
It transcends all churches.
And in order to get there, you have to leave something.
Whatever that is, you have to leave your previous faith.
Maybe it's a church.
Maybe it's atheism.
Maybe it's something else.
But nobody gets into the kingdom without having left something.
So the goal, I think, is for Catholics, Protestants, and, you know, I was raised Mennonite, but I still had to re-enter the faith, you know, the hard way through a very personal conversion.
And that's when I started to realize that it wasn't just like, you know, empty prayers and going along with routines and attending church and stuff like that too.
So we all have to meet in that same place and we all have to leave something to get there.
Tell me about the Mennonites.
Oh, the Mennonites.
Were you brought up with hats and stuff on one of those farms?
The Mennonites in Manitoba are mostly, they're sort of, they're flirting with that, right?
So they're much more modestly dressed.
A lot of my relatives growing up, I had a huge family, just dozens of cousins and stuff like that.
Some of them would actually wear the sort of Amish style dress.
Amish and Mennonite are very closely related.
Mennonites predate Amish a little bit and they Come from the man Menno Simons, an Anabaptist reformer, right around the same time as Martin Luther, but much more radical.
And whereas Luther and Calvin and some of these other guys were trying to appeal to the Nobility and the monarchies to try to convert them to this other form of basically Catholicism without Rome involved.
These Mennonites were going all the way and saying that institutional churches were, you know, so easily corruptible and they were, we need to just be studying our Bible personally and the Mennonites were
They basically burned all their bridges and weren't protected by anyone throughout the Renaissance Reformation period and were hunted like animals everywhere they went.
They were refugees traveling from nation to nation and temporarily having shelter and then inevitably they would be killed.
Some of the most despicable unspeakable ways anyone has been killed in history and Eventually came over to Canada and settled the prairies here with a special deal with the Canadian government that we Didn't have to participate in war.
We could practice our religion without interference and And that was my ancestors.
I'm very proud to have come from that lineage.
And they were always radical.
They were always stepping on people's toes because they refused to compromise with state power.
They weren't afraid of death.
So they would just say what needed to be said and criticize anyone.
In fact, a large portion of the Mennonites, basically my great-grandfather, moved to Mexico
In protest out of along with a lot of other people from around here Because they wanted us to start going to public schools, and they said that's not acceptable We're not going to be brainwashed by the government and so They moved to Mexico and my dad moved back from Mexico to Canada so technically I'm the son of an immigrant even though you know my great-grandfather was Canadian so That's the story.
They take it very seriously.
They're willing to move to different countries just out of that kind of devotion to, we're going to teach the Bible, we're not going to trust the world.
That's fantastic.
I've got a lot of respect for these communities which realized way ahead of the game that the world was a conspiracy against us and you know, I mean the gypsies as well that they live outside the system over here.
But Mennonites, are you capable of erecting a A wooden barn.
I wish.
Basically, by my generation, all of the old skills had been lost.
All of my cousins grew up on farms, but decided to not continue it, so all the family farms got sold.
It's a real tragedy that we were the breadbasket of Canada.
We turned the swamps that were here into fertile farmland and built dikes because we came from the Dutch.
And knew how to create drainage systems and turn Canada into this amazing farmland.
And then a couple generations go by and right as it's coming up, I was so jealous of my cousins that grew up on farms and had so many skills.
It wasn't, it was a somewhat modernized farms.
You know, it wasn't the same as the Amish.
The Amish are the extreme that refused to change.
We were sort of like, we can change, we can adapt to the times, but we're just going to make sure our principles don't change and our worldview, our distrust of the system doesn't change.
Whereas they were like, no, we're literally just going to still dress the same way and refuse any new technologies and continue those skills, which I envy.
But unfortunately, I didn't inherit any of that.
Am I right in thinking that chemical spill on that train in America was deliberately aimed at taking out Amish territory?
I would love to know that.
I was looking at the map in the cloud, the fallout of it, and I kind of felt the same way.
Pennsylvania, a lot of that stuff going on over there.
I wouldn't be the right person to ask as a Canadian who doesn't actually have any contacts over there, but that's what it seemed to me is that maybe they're trying to just, you know, poison that whole section of the population.
So, was your Mennonite upbringing, does that mean it was steeped in the Bible?
It theoretically should have been.
So that's kind of the thing, is I went to church, I was taken to church.
My own dad was so cynical that he didn't even trust our church.
So even though we had a Mennonite Church, and the Mennonite Church would say don't trust the world, my dad would say don't even trust the preachers.
And so it was that level of cynicism and He was basically illiterate.
Turns out the Mexican Mennonite system fell apart and failed to educate their people.
So, my first language growing up was Low German, which is distinct from High German.
It's basically the Mennonite language.
And it wasn't basically until I went to public school that I learned English.
And but that was the case with a lot of kids in school in my town because there's a lot of Mennonites around so The I'm losing track of what the question was but I was about your biblical upbringing.
Actually what happened there was my older brother was so independent and refused, he took my dad's advice, he didn't trust anyone, and he decided that every time somebody made a biblical claim he would personally go and look it up and debunk it if it wasn't true.
And so he made basically a personal bet with himself that he would verify every single thing somebody said about religion and about Christianity.
And so I ended up getting secondhand full education on the Bible through him because he was sort of spitefully Proving it, and then in turn, he ended up having a massive appreciation of it.
And so it didn't come from the proper sources, but it was sort of, I guess, a byproduct of this nature of look it up yourself, find the source, don't trust anyone, and just, you know, if you can't prove it yourself, don't believe it.
So you're saying he subjected the Bible to the kind of conspiracy theorists scrutiny, checking everything, and he found that it stood up?
Absolutely.
In fact, every time he expected to find that it was foolish, that he would hear something that didn't sound right and he would look it up to make that person realize that what they were saying didn't add up, he would find a whole discourse that was beautiful and poetic and meaningful and
I don't want to speak for him too much, but it seemed to me, as his younger brother, that he had sort of tricked himself into getting this education on the Bible firsthand, and from a very skeptical point of view, realizing that it actually has a consistent narrative, that the Old Testament and New Testament work together beautifully, and there's all this overlap.
and richness there that this is before the internet.
So, um, you know, you kind of had to do it yourself if you want.
You didn't have all these wonderful commentaries that we do now, especially in a little town like ours.
So, um, yeah, it was a very hard one education and, and it sort of rubbed off on me as I was following along with it.
Um, I've got to ask you because you, you bring up his name in that interview.
I, I recently had a sticky encounter with, with David Icke.
And I'd gone into it thinking, good old Icke.
He was he was there 30 years before me, you know when I was still kind of buying into the narrative he was exposing truths and and risking his life and and and stuff and I really thought we were going to get on and then something happened on the stage.
It was a kind of it was almost like a sort of revelation sort of that I realized that he was not what I thought he was.
I sort of I was familiar with his with his stuff about it, you know, talking about the rulers of the darkness of this world, as we might call them, you know, and about all the different conspiracies against us.
And he's bang on about that stuff.
But I hadn't realized that the other perhaps more important part of his life is pushing what are essentially new age notions about the world being a simulation that only by achieving a higher vibration can we transcend this this prison
and stuff, which is I discovered on further research is essentially warmed over theosophy, which which was invented in the late 1960s. century by a Sharlatan called Madame Blavatsky who was probably funded by the elites.
I mean probably Rothschild money that kind of thing.
Tell me about what are your thoughts on that?
Yeah, I was laughing throughout that discussion you were having because the amount of self-contradiction David Icke was doing there was... I've been trying to warn people about David Icke for years.
That's one of the things I did on my TikTok.
And it's controversial.
You're stepping on people's toes within the alternative media.
Or what?
Can I just say this?
I mean, look, I really did not want to lose, like, so many of my people who previously thought I was a good thing suddenly hated me, probably thought I'm controlled opposition, because I'd attacked one of their gurus, and they thought it was just kind of about me, me, me, just having a go at an innocent, lovely guy who just wants us all to be in peace and love.
But look at the things he was... We don't have to rehash the discussion itself.
Some of the things were like, science is proving everything I'm saying, and the biggest institutions in the world are confirming, and all religions across the whole history of the world confirm what I believe, but we can't know anything.
If you claim to know stuff, you don't know anything.
I don't want to convince you of anything, but everything confirms what I'm saying.
It was just these paradoxical statements that are almost designed to create cognitive dissonance in the listener.
It speaks so stridently.
And that's really tying in with theosophy.
Like you said, Blavatsky was a con man, a con woman, was able to harvest a lot of ideas from Indian culture.
She traveled across Asia, came back with all these exotic ideas.
I believe she genuinely had mystical, if not demonic, experiences and the books she's wrote were so dense and she claims to have channeled them from an ascended master who spoke to her in a trance state.
So, I mean, take that for what you will.
If that's true, it's horrifying.
If it's not true, it proves that she's a fraud.
And really, there's three women you have to track if you want to make sense of where we are post-World War II with this movement.
Because Theosophy itself, I don't believe, was a Rothschild-funded thing.
I don't particularly believe that she had much sponsorship.
She was taking advantage of a trend that was already existing.
You know, it's the same trend that produces Aleister Crowley and a lot of People in that time were obsessed with occultism, obsessed with exotic Asian Eastern philosophy.
She just crystallizes it and forms friends who are very effective at propagandizing.
She actually created a, when she went back to London, she created a publishing house called Lucifer.
And was publishing, was the editor of Lucifer for 10 years.
And then her successor, so there's three women that you basically have to keep track of.
One is Helena Blavatsky.
Her successor is Alice Bailey, a very prodigious writer who wrote many different things.
She coins the term New Age.
So if we talk about New Age-ism and New Age, That's the direct successor of the Theosophical Society, so they're the same exact thing.
You don't have to mince words and make it sound like they're different.
Literally, the disciple of Helena Blavatsky creates the New Age, and then from there, you basically go another generation later and you have Marilyn Ferguson, who writes The Aquarian Conspiracy, the book called The Aquarian Conspiracy.
And she then sort of takes H.G.
Wells' idea of the Open Conspiracy, that's where she gets her term from, and turns the Open Conspiracy into the Aquarian Conspiracy and adds the theosophical element that was missing from H.G.
Wells.
So it's not that complicated of a formula.
To the extent that HG Wells's vision was falling apart and didn't seem to be happening, I think it was an innovation on the part of Marilyn Ferguson and her Her New Age friends, very powerful people, to rebrand it, to go underground, to turn it into the counterculture, and then take over the counterculture.
That's where you get the 60s, 70s, you know, drug and human potential movement, all the psychic stuff, all the paranormal obsessions.
And it takes over the counterculture, so you have Blavatsky, Bailey, and then Ferguson.
And she has friends who are literally in the military, and gets that tied in with this character that I'm fascinated by called Jim Channon, who ends up working for Task Force Delta.
And has this vision called the First Earth Battalion, where the US Army will actually be what spurs on the revolution behind the scenes and creates a holistic, psychic warrior sort of race, but it will only kick into effect after a giant collapse of America.
So he was realistic enough to realize you can't do this Painlessly.
It has to be on the heels of some horrible traumatic event that gives us all such a horrific memories of the past that we just want to start over and that's when you basically have the military come in and create this utopian Aquarian age where we all hold hands and nobody has any biases anymore and we all open our third eye and can have the higher vibrations David Icke is talking about.
I mean it's... You know what?
You just reminded me of the Death Camp of Tolerance episode of South Park.
I don't know whether you've ever seen that.
I think I've seen clips of it.
I haven't seen the full episode, but yes.
People of all colors and creeds holding hands under a rainbow, and it has to be enforced in this death camp where tolerance is... I mean, South Park...
He foresees everything.
I have a substack myself and I'm doing a series on there called the Winter Christian.
My substack is winterchristian.substack.com and the concept of the Winter Christian is a type of Christian who can endure any level of psychological warfare and any level of this hypocrisy and slander that they're going to throw against us and One of the things I say in there is that tolerance will be the sledgehammer that they use against us.
Tolerance is their keyword, their code word for intolerance, of course, for persecution and for isolating fundamentalists because we are the only ones who refuse to compromise And say that there is actually only one gate to the kingdom.
There is one shepherd.
Jesus said, I am the gate.
You know, anyone who comes in a different way is a thief.
I'm the good shepherd.
Anyone who tries to lead the flock without me is a charlatan and is trying to harm my people and stuff.
We're not going to let up on that, and that makes us enemy number one in their tolerance world, where Jesus is just another ascended master.
That's what theosophy says.
That's what David Icke says.
He's just another guru, just like Buddha, just like everyone else.
He's just a perfectly generic alternative.
Yes, like Rakowski, who I believe was the Ascended Master who dictated Ike's early books and so on.
Yes, you hear this a lot and you quite often hear New Agers call Jesus Yeshua instead of Jesus.
Yeah, I've seen that, and I've seen a lot of obsession with divine names.
That's actually a very big part of mysticism, is to identify angels and demons and Jesus by You know, Hebrew names or divine names.
There's kind of an obsession there with trying to contact spirits by accessing their names.
I mean, that goes back, I don't know how long, at least to the 1500s when mysticism was taking over Spain.
But the sort of mystic regurgitation, which is really Luciferianism, although it gets called Theosophy, It's about trying to hack your way into spiritual enlightenment, to try to find shortcuts and rituals and meditation practices and all these things that you can form an enlightened divine connection.
David, I kept talking about that, these beings that are out there, this consciousness that's out there that you can tap into.
And one of the things that really struck me, I just want to make this point clearly, is that the scam that David Icke does in that discussion and elsewhere is he will over and over emphasize that the demonic forces are destructive, terror-inducing, maniacal,
Like the stereotypical hell figure of this terrorizing force.
But I think what you correctly pointed out in your write-up is that it's actually kind of the opposite.
Demons are, and Satan himself, the Bible says, he presents himself as an angel of light.
He presents himself as being the one who liberates you, who empowers you, who brings you closer to divinity yourself.
And so David Icke doesn't want you to think about demons as being actually the ones that are trying to get you to raise your... Devil would be the highest vibration being according to their point of view.
He is the one that is trying to bring you to godhood without having to repent and, you know, convert to Jesus or anything.
Yes.
I was thinking, is there not a kind of a division between the Satanists and the Luciferians?
There seems to be this New Age philosophy, I mean, or this collection of beliefs seems to be about dualism and opposites.
So you've got Satan representing darkness, child sacrifice, and so on.
Which people can see, you know, people who don't do that sort of thing can see is kind of bad.
But then you've got this false light, the false light of Lucifer, which offers us salvation from that, apparent salvation from the darkness.
Yeah, Satanism to me is a curious one because it's very ineffective.
It doesn't seem to do anything.
In a way, it's a joke.
Even the people who subscribe to it say that they don't believe that the devil is real.
They are basically materialists who are really just anti-Christian.
That's actually what Satanism represents, if you believe what they say.
If you think that they're secretly doing all sorts of nefarious things in dark corners of society, then I guess, you know, there could be a serious criminal element behind the scenes or something.
But I generally think that it's actually A couple things happen.
It's a gateway to a lot of other cults, to witchcraft, back to theosophy, back to these other movements.
It's kind of the edgy, rebellious gateway, and then from there they sort you out into some other group that has more momentum.
They're sort of there to shock and to be an anti-christian advocate group, but Satan, whereas Luciferianism doesn't want to be identified, doesn't want to be recognized, wants to always have a cover story and sort of
Exactly like you said, be an angel of light, be this truth movement, the awakening, all the positive terms of awakening from the slumber.
David Icke is, I think, maybe even the one that coined the term sheeple, but if not, it was Jordan Maxwell who was basically his mentor.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was struck I'm doing my research into this, that a lot of people who are invested in the new age, who are into things like consciousness raising vibrations, that love vibrates at a higher level than hate, which is a low vibration, they're into energy.
And I don't dispute that there are different energetic fields for different emotions, but that to me would just describe a phenomenon that God himself Created it's just the nature of things but the idea that these people represent love and they've got they've kind of You know that their cause is is self-evidently good
are jars with an element in New Age thinking, where they say, look, you know, when we enter the age of Aquarius, there can be no room for these Christians with their prejudices.
I mean, we're on the list for the chop, aren't we?
They find euphemisms to describe this, but essentially, their plans for us are not good.
Yeah, I have a quote here, if you don't mind.
This is from a book.
If you want the best digest of this entire phenomenon, it's called The New World Religion by Gary Kaa.
The main researcher for this was Carl Teichrib, who is a genius, one of the best researchers in the entire world.
He has sources for everything.
He's quoting Barbara Marks Hubbard, which you may have encountered.
She was basically a theosophist.
She says this, and she says that she channeled this, right?
So she says that this was a divine message from her.
We, the elders, have been patiently waiting until the very last moment before the quantum transformation to take action, to cut out this corrupted and corrupting element in the body of humanity.
Talking about Christianity.
It is like watching a cancer grow.
Something must be done before the whole body is destroyed.
The self-centered members must be destroyed.
They consider us to be self-centered because we refuse to integrate into their oneness principle that we are all God, God is all us, everything is interchangeable, there should be no messiah, we'll never bend to that because we are all God.
So, we're the self-centered ones that have to be destroyed.
It says there's no alternative.
Only the God-centered can evolve, which means God-centered in you.
You are God.
Fortunately, you dearly beloved are not responsible for this act.
We are, speaking of this channeled force.
We are in charge of God's selection process for the earth.
He selects, we destroy.
We are the riders of the pale horse.
Death.
We will use whatever means we must to make this act of destruction as quick and painless as possible to the one half of the world who are capable of evolving.
Now everything is global and connected.
Each person is about to inherit the power of destruction and co-creation.
The inner voice, the higher self, each person's own connection to God, independent of priest, text, church, or mentor, must be heard directly.
That's the Aquarian principle, is that there's no institutions, there's no hierarchy, there's no traditions, there's only an ever-evolving intuition about the truth.
Objective reality melts away, there's no such thing as facts or knowledge anymore.
Those of you who know what is happening, the one-fourth who are now listening to the higher self, are to be guides for the rest who would be panicked and confused.
This is what Barbara Marx Hubbard said in a trance state and literally calling themselves the pale riders that are going to destroy Christians who can't evolve.
It does sound like it that was demonically inspired.
I mean, again, either she was lying about channeling it, which makes her a deceiver, or she was actually being influenced by some demonic spirit.
And then how do you square that with this love and tolerance narrative?
Why shouldn't I be able to continue to believe what I believe and read my Bible and preach my gospel?
When this new age of Aquarius comes by, why do I have to be eliminated?
But it's about the, shall we say, a Darwinistic sort of survival of the fittest, elimination of the weak and the unfit for the next phase of humanity, which is how they see it.
Well, it sounds like Lenin.
You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, or whether it's Lenin or Stalin who said that, but I mean, it's basically the same thing.
Look, you know, when we create the new paradigm, this paradise on earth, some people have got to die because they get in the way of our plans.
Now, I've never heard a Christian Our view, I think, is that we can't leave it to God to take care of that.
I mean, as you say, the Catholic Church has killed loads and loads of people, you know, the Albigensian Crusade, the Crusades and so on, the Inquisition, but I don't think actual people, Christians, have ever considered that to be part of our
And certainly in the modern world, it's progressively becoming more and more tolerant and more, you know, some say to a fault tolerant, but, you know, socially it's not very tolerant and culturally it's, you know, we're supposed to be fighting a war for truth and exposing things, but no, there's no rhetoric of violent uprisings and the closest thing would be something like maybe the MAGA Trump movement talking about
The storm coming that is going to, you know, kill all the pedophiles or whatever their conspiracy is.
Have you looked into what's the guy, you know, the guy who was involved in the January the 6th business, the guy who was put away in prison briefly?
Ray Epps?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you know, the guy who was sold to us as one of the stand-up guys from the Trump regime, the guy who The guy who quoted theosophical stuff at some conference.
I mean, aside from Alex Jones, I'm not sure who else... No, no, no.
He was one of Trump's key administrators, who then got got by the other side.
Oh.
People are going to be shouting at the screen now saying, look, you know, it's the... Paul Manafort?
I don't know.
No, no, no, no, no.
I think that Trump is not a Christian.
I think he's a Luciferian.
Yeah, I've been warning people about Trump ever since he created Space Force.
It's one of the most absurd things.
At the same time they're calling him Hitler, they're allowing him to create a new military division.
How does that make sense?
And this one in the Space Force is designed to control all satellite and communication technologies.
It's not actually about space at all.
It's about communication and about IT and fiber optic cables and these types of things.
Why would they allow Trump to create this and give him a budget for it if he was really the enemy?
And then, of course, the lockdowns, the vaccines, everything else, printing trillions of dollars and giving them to the corporations.
No, I think Trump is a complex character because I don't believe he wants to or takes direct orders.
I believe that he sees himself as being independent, but he is managed.
They're sophisticated enough to stage manage his career and his power and his presidency.
It's probably a tense negotiation there, where he's not fully on board with the program, he in some sense does believe in American exceptionalism, all this stuff, but he's compromised, he needs them desperately, and he has to obey them if he wants to stay in power.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, I mean, I think we're being set up, aren't we, for... Are you quite pessimistic, or maybe, as you put it, optimistic about the timescale here?
Do you reckon you're going to live to see... to have your head chopped off by the Luciferians?
Yeah, I think it'll happen in my lifetime.
I think that the deadlines they've given around 2030 and you know trying to set all these agendas with a certain timetable is not a coincidence.
I think that they're accelerating as fast as they can and their plans never quite go according to their script because we exist because we are Christians and we do speak out and When we start to expose things, they panic and they have to change course because the public will sympathize with us if they understand what's going on.
So it's a delicate balance they have to do, but I think that's why they're getting more and more sloppy.
That's why they're becoming more out in the open about the need to reduce the population and they're sort of just coming out and saying it now.
And I'm currently writing a series on the psychology of this, the psychology of the endgame as I call it, where they've done military coups in countries, they've bombed countries into oblivion and watched what refugees do, what people do in a panic situation, who they flock around, how they cope with it, who do they reach out to for help and support, all these types of things.
They have that experience, they have manuals on that, the CIA does.
So, they should have a pretty good idea of what happens if they actually start to create a genocide of Christians through secret means, through open means, however it plays out.
And I think the timescale we're looking at is within 30 years for the church as we know it to be destroyed, for what the Bible would call the Tribulation.
This period that Jesus talks about where we are captured and we're interrogated and many of us are put to death.
To bring it into Revelations, the first four seals of Revelation are these riders that get released one after another.
The fifth seal is very weird.
It's a short scene in heaven where Christian martyrs are placed under an altar Not on top of the altar as a sacrifice, but underneath the altar as the fuel, the fire source for the altar sacrifice or what's going on in the altar.
Weirdly, they are complaining to God and saying, why are you not avenging us?
We're being killed down there and you're not defending us.
God says to them to be patient.
He gives them white robes.
He tells them to wait until their brothers and sisters are also killed.
So it actually debunks the rapture in the fifth seal of Revelation.
I like the way he buys them off with some white robes.
Look, I know your cross, but here's some white robes.
I don't know if I'm going to be one of those people under the altar or not, But I think everyone who's a pre-tribulation rapture believer might end up there complaining and saying, hey, I thought we had a deal.
You know, before the tribulation gets bad enough, you'll come in and whisk us away and save us.
And instead he'll tell them, actually, no, this is all according to my plan.
Isn't it strange that even the prophecy which is predicting things, scripts the necessity of these people complaining.
That's how self-aware it is.
It's mind-blowing, but it's right there for anyone to see.
It is very weird.
I have to say, I think that the idea that there was going to be a rapture is an evangelical cope.
I don't think for a second that as a believing Christian I'm going to be magically whisked away And I used to believe in the rapture strongly.
I followed a preacher who made this case sound pretty good, but again I would bring it up with my brother and he would sort of start questioning me.
And it fell apart under scrutiny.
Then I started to look at the alternative.
I'm like, well then where are these... there are passages about a group of Christians being delivered and transforming in the blink of an eye, being taken up into the clouds to meet Jesus and all these types of things, and it sounds like a rapture.
And that's where I had to develop my theory to the point where I found out where in the timeline that would actually happen, and it doesn't happen to the Christian Church as we know it today.
It would happen to this other group that emerges in the prophetic spotlight, so to speak, after the death of the Church, which is the 144,000 Israelites.
And actually the majority of Revelation deals with them, not us.
We think we're the center of the history, world history, but it's actually culminates in this group of Jews and Israelites who are sort of in the the final throes of the world as it's all falling apart and it's a beautiful story about Jesus coming back for his chosen people at the very end.
Right, but I mean that's another rabbit hole.
It is.
The children of Israel.
I mean, you think about how many offspring, how many... It's impossible to track.
How many descendants there must be.
I mean, any of us could be one of those descendants of the... Absolutely.
If you trust genetic tests, there'll almost be a guarantee that somebody has... You have some Jewish heritage, or some Israelite heritage, which is even wider.
I think that word Jew has been so kind of co-opted.
Yeah, there's 12 tribes of Israel and Judah is one of them.
Yeah, yeah.
I think this is going to be a really divisive podcast, but I mean, the Ikistas are going to get very upset that one has pointed out certain flaws, because I think if you were If you were red-pilled many years ago by Ike and you've kind of been persecuted, because there are similarities between the awake and Christians.
I think there's a lot of, there's a sort of nexus that we Everyone who's awake has been marginalized.
They've done the thing that the Bible tells us that Christians must suffer.
They've been rejected by their friends.
They've lost their jobs.
I've suffered it as much as anyone.
Lost friends.
It causes family divisions.
And so they sort of identify with him with their own suffering.
He's a kind of, well, he's made this comparison himself, hasn't he?
He's kind of a Christ-like figure.
Yeah, you said he's the son of God, yeah.
He's played on that.
So they've bought into that and they're going to be looking at this and they're going to be saying, this guy, Terry Wolfe and his annoying, annoying Amen Corner, James Dellingpole.
They're talking about this Christian rubbish, which is just like, I've read on lots of conspiracy websites, it's just made up stuff.
I know, for example, that the similarities between Jesus Christ and Horus, that one.
Comparative religion is one of the three main goals of theosophy, is to compare all religions and find a mystical connection between them that allows you to believe that they're all interchangeable, Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, my friend Mark Miller He did a brilliant comic book series called The Chosen One, which is about the Antichrist and stuff.
Mark is a believing Christian.
He's a Catholic.
He included this line in this book, which is where I first came upon it.
When I was doing my research, I then discovered that Ike puts it in one of his books, you know, Horace was born on the 25th of December, so was Jesus.
Horace's mother was a virgin, so was Jesus.
It goes on a long list and you're thinking, wow!
There is nothing exceptional about Christianity.
It's just one religion among many.
It's just like, it's an archetype.
Jesus was an archetype.
He wasn't even real, maybe.
I mean, these are your reactions when you read this stuff.
And then you discover that there is no evidence for this in Egyptology.
This is just made-up stuff that was invented by a series of Freemasonic authors quoting one another, but never sourcing it back to Yeah.
The more they have tried to smear and dismiss and marginalize Christianity, in the end the Bible is sort of this, it's this thing they can't topple.
I know that those who don't believe in it will just say that that's, you know, that's just denialism and whatever, and that's fine.
But their efforts are endless to try to overturn it, to try to undermine it, to try to stop people from believing.
What I tell people is just read it for yourself, you know?
If it's all lies, check out the Bible and start reading, especially the New Testament.
But, you know, I would go even further.
If people are offended that I criticize David Icke, I would also throw in Joe Rogan.
I would throw in Russell Brand.
I would throw in Alex Jones.
These guys are all disinformation agents, whether they know it or not.
That's actually an interesting discussion in itself.
I don't think they are deliberately trying to deceive people, but the nature of being deceived is that you are fully confident that you're actually helping.
And what I do in my second book that I wrote, we've been touching on, maybe everyone else is wrong, The second one I wrote is called Fire in the Rabbit Hole, and it is entirely devoted to these rabbit holes people go down, including Flat Earth, including the DMT trips, the UFO phenomenon, Tartaria, a lot of these different rabbit holes.
Oh yeah, Tartaria!
Tell me about that one.
I haven't investigated... I do quite like Flat Earth, I have to say, but Tartaria, what is that about?
Briefly, it's basically a miss.
I mean I could give you the real story or their talking points But they're talking just give me give me give me both briefly because I haven't looked into this one Their talking point is that all of history is a complete fabrication and that there was actually a super society called Tartaria which Existed here on the America American continent and and across the world But it was all buried by a gigantic flood a mud flood
That buried all of their cities, and some of them remained, and that's basically where the World's Fairs in the 1800s, all these different extravagant World's Fairs, we have these pictures of these cities that seem to be there.
They're all made of plaster and wood and stuff like that.
There were these billionaire festivals of extravagance, but these people refused to believe that those were fake cities that they created for these World Fairs.
And they believe that this was actually a giant conspiracy to hide the existence of this ancient civilization and trap us in this modern hell that really our great-grandparents would have remembered Tartarus, so it's one of the most idiotic psyops of all time, but I don't know how much of it is just AstroTurf bots and fake, but I've had people try to argue with me that Tartaria is real.
And Tartaria itself is just the name that Europeans gave Russia and Mongolia before they named it Russia and Mongolia.
It was just a placeholder name given to... You can find it on old maps from the 1600s and 1700s.
It was just a term.
If I were Lord of Tartary, myself and me alone.
And because they refuse to believe that knowledge evolves and is refined over time, they just resort to a conspiracy theory that Tartaria was a real place that ruled the whole world.
It also explains why capital cities have this Greco-Roman architecture.
They believe ancient Greece and ancient Rome and modern capital buildings and cities were all constructed at the same time by this society.
It's a very disjointed and illogical theory, but that's what it is.
I've never managed to get, and I probably won't now.
I think he probably would say no because of where I'm coming from.
Graham Hancock.
I imagine he would be part of this thing.
I would be shocked if he would want to be associated with it, but he has a similar approach to the ancient super-society theory, which is Prehistoric, basically.
Tartaria is ridiculous enough to say that basically the 1700s and 1800s were this entirely mystical.
This shows how these people have never even read a book.
They have no concept that there is a literature history stretching back You know, hundreds of years, thousands of years.
They say the books have been tinkered with or kind of suppressed, probably wouldn't they?
Yeah, they've been fabricated to look old and it's the most elaborate conspiracy in all imaginable to try to hide the Tartarians and their influence.
You know, look, people got swept up in the pandemic and had never done a piece of research in their life.
And then they became fearful and had no option but to sit at home and scroll the internet.
And they consume these things from charlatans and fast talkers and con men on social media and on TikTok.
I don't even blame people for falling for some of this stuff.
But, you know, it's time to grow up and get back to reality and do some research and find out that this doesn't make any sense.
Well, except give me some of my... don't take them all away from me, Terry.
You're not going to tell me that pandas are real.
Pandas?
Yeah.
They've been debunked now.
I did not know that.
Nobody informed me of that.
Well, I'll just give you, you know how it is, when you give people all the information, they just go, yeah, but you're saying that.
But consider this, I think this is a very good point, made by Owen Benjamin, that China, one of the world's oldest literate civilization, with records going back millennia, It has no record of pandas before I think the late 19th century.
Now you would think that this remarkable creature that I mean in survival of the fittest terms should have been killed long ago because what do they do?
They spend their time asleep most of the time and then eating bamboo and that's about it in country where Tigers live.
And we're supposed to believe what?
This stuff is real?
I don't know.
Anyway.
I'm fascinated by that.
I'm susceptible to rabbit holes myself.
That's one of the reasons why I have to guard myself so much.
Just you mentioning that, I'll probably have to look it up now.
I'd like it to get the Terry Wolf treatment.
As I said in my article about Ike, and I may have even said it on stage, I'm not in the business of converting people who don't want to be converted.
I'm not one of those Christians who goes out there and says, you must come to Christ, I've found Jesus.
In fact, I think it's really, really off-putting.
I'm writing an essay about this at the moment, actually, which will probably run about the time of this podcast, where I say, you probably never did, being a Mennonite, you probably never did ecstasy and stuff when you went clubbing.
No, no, very straight-laced myself.
Yeah.
I went clubbing in the 90s, and before your night's clubbing, you and your mates would buy your ecstasy pills, which are kind of a prerequisite of a good night's dancing and stuff.
And you'd all take your pill before you went clubbing.
And you'd hang around for about an hour, waiting for the pills to take effect.
And some people would always feel the effects much earlier than everyone else.
And if you were the last one, you'd be looking around and everyone would be going, yeah, oh, it's great.
You're gonna love this.
And you'd be thinking, I hate you.
I've got the one pill that doesn't work, you know.
We're going, no, no, it's great.
You're going to love this.
It's mad.
It's just like really good.
And it seems to me that this is exactly what a certain kind of Christian does.
Say, I have found Jesus and it's been totally amazing for me.
And you will too.
Just trust me from my lived experience, or whatever.
Nobody who's into conspiracy theories and stuff, who questions everything, is going to say, yeah, because of your personal revelation, I should trust you.
They have to find an intellectual route into this.
They have to find evidence.
Which is why I'm interested in talking to you about...
I agree.
I would say, you know, you've heard my story.
I was surrounded by skepticism.
It had nothing to do with embracing what I was told.
It was actually about questioning everything I was told.
So it's sort of paradoxical when I... because I also don't try to evangelize people who resist Christianity.
I'm very much about believe what you believe is true and, you know, But also, if you're skeptical, if you're curious, if there's any part of you that wants to see the other side, check it out for yourself.
I've looked into Buddhism, and I've looked into other religions.
I've looked into many other things.
I've considered all the alternatives as well, and it keeps coming back to the Bible.
And so, you know, if people want to dismiss it, you know, I also say there is something higher than belief, deeper than belief maybe would be a better way of saying it, which is conviction.
There are certain things, you can have a belief intellectually that you can question and play around with and sort of banter back and forth about.
Convictions go deeper than all of that.
You can't even question your convictions.
And I have that with Christianity.
It's not an intellectual position.
I have a need for Christianity.
I have been born again, as the Bible phrases it.
And, you know, that's a separate story of how that happened, because it wasn't a smooth transition from being raised Mennonite to actually believing.
It's a conviction level.
It was not intellectual.
Should this not be something I should ask you about?
I mean, is it a good story?
To me, it's a good story because it changed my whole life.
Well, tell me.
Tell me the story.
It's not dramatic.
It won't impress anyone.
But when I grew up, I was extremely proud and judgmental.
I was raised Mennonite.
And I was very smart, so I would look into everything and I thought I was better than everyone.
And it got to the point when the early online chat rooms were coming into existence.
I was sitting at home and typing with somebody, literally telling them that I was perfect.
I don't know how the topic came up, but I literally was typing to somebody that, no, I'm perfect.
And they said, no, you're not.
You have flaws.
And I thought about it and I said, No, I think I'm actually perfect.
I really doubled down on it.
And I did a mental inventory.
I haven't sinned.
I didn't drink.
I didn't smoke.
I didn't have sex.
I didn't do anything that I wasn't supposed to do.
So what's wrong?
I can't find any flaw.
Literally in that moment, I had the most intense feeling, I can't even describe it, of somebody watching me.
You know that feeling you have that somebody is watching you?
Yeah.
It was tangible almost.
It was unnerving.
And I know I was alone in my room, so I know that there was nobody else there, but I started to look around to see what is the source of this pressure that I suddenly felt.
And I looked over and on the desk there was a Bible, and it seemed to be coming from that.
When I looked at it, how can I even describe it?
It felt like the floor fell out from under me.
I couldn't see.
I think I was about to faint.
Blood was probably leaving my head.
It was the most intense experience of horror that I'd ever felt.
I realized that far from being perfect, I was actually completely damned and lost, and that all of my self-righteousness was actually an affront to God, and that I was making a mockery of His Word as I was pretending to be a Christian, and I thought I understood what it meant.
And so in that moment I essentially forgot everything I had ever been told about Christianity and I just had a visceral knowledge that I was going to go to hell and I begged God to Actually, what I begged him for was another chance to be even better, to be even more perfect, to prove that I could be completely flawless.
That was what I was begging him for, and I was crying and I was weeping.
I was probably about 13 years old.
And literally in my bed with a pillow in my face so that people wouldn't hear me crying and making this deal with God.
And I don't know how long that went on for, but I would say it was probably realistically about 20 minutes before I became so physically exhausted that I couldn't cry anymore.
The panic and adrenaline had worn off and I finally just said, okay, I give up.
I can't prove myself.
I can't, you know, be holy on my own.
And I said, you're gonna have to help me.
You're gonna have to do it for me.
Sorry, I'm getting emotional because I'm sort of reliving it here.
And that was the first time that I actually understood what the cross was and what the meaning of Christ's sacrifice was, that it's actually not you being good, it's you giving up on the idea of you being good.
Letting go of your self-righteousness and giving it all to Him and trusting Him completely.
And so I relearned Christianity from that point from square one.
I had been taught all the prayers.
I'd been doing them perfectly and everything, but it had never meant anything to me until that point.
And then I started to understand it again with fresh eyes.
Well, if that was a boring story, Terry, I don't know what your good ones are like.
I think it was really good.
That's the conviction.
I mean, that's death and being reborn.
I couldn't and I can't question that.
That is, it's beyond rationality.
It's beyond a belief.
It had nothing intellectual about it.
It was a raw experience of conviction and transformation that I have had people mock me for giving that story and say it was just some, you know, a placebo effect of some kind or something like that, but that will never affect me.
It doesn't change anything to me.
Rather than trying to convince people with intellectual arguments, I know that God works in ways that are far beyond intellectual reasoning, so my own conversion had nothing to do with it.
In fact, I already believed I was a Christian, and that still happens, so why would I try to force it on anyone else and make it sound as if I could persuade you to be like I am?
Yes.
Well, look, I think everything you say is true.
I've had nothing quite as dramatic as that, but what I will say is that I just get these occasional things, gifts, if you like, from God, signs and wonders, and this podcast would be one of them, because I had been
I had been, we've covered a lot of territory here that I've been wanting to cover for some time and I wasn't, I didn't know who I was going to cover it with.
And your name came out of the blue.
And I didn't know we were going to go there on this, on this podcast.
I didn't know what, well, you know, I had a rough idea, but I've, it's, it's been really good.
You know, I mean, some people say, Oh yeah, we're just, you found Terry Wolfe on the internet and just like, but you know, it's not up there with, with water into wine, but it's, these things happen, I find when you.
You know, that is the amazing thing that I've experienced ever since that moment is that, um, I have had the opportunity, especially with that TikTok account, of having many people tell me, apparently there's a saying that the master appears when the student is ready or something like that.
People have told me things like that.
Basically, they felt like they were on the precipice of something and they found me through some means and because I was fearlessly going to these places that most people are terrified of, most churches would never touch the things that we're talking about because it would scare away their congregation.
There's something there that people have been waiting for, it feels like, and so I don't know.
I won't say anything about myself.
I give God every credit for everything that good is happening around me.
But yeah, I've sort of stumbled into being noticed by certain people, and then the next person notices, and I just leave it to God, and I just try to tell people what I've experienced, what I've studied, and usually they come back with something what I've studied, and usually they come back with something amazing that helps me for the next time I talk to somebody else.
I actually believe that's what the kingdom of God is.
It is a decentralized, invisible network of people helping each other, not through institutions, but through these weird personal connections that can come out of the blue, out of nowhere.
I just hold that thought I was going to change the light so people don't get epileptic fix the battery rather
yeah
what I find is that God can give you a hard time occasionally because he's trying to sort of shape you There's a line in Psalm 118 The Lord hath chastened me and corrected me, but he hath not given me over unto death.
And I think it's in Proverbs 3, for whom the Lord loveth, he chastiseth even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
So he's constantly kind of putting you to the test, but he's kind of got your back.
And I think, but anyway, what I find You say that you can't sort of intellectualize people into belief and I agree with that.
I think your definition of conviction is, for me conviction is a sort of combination of the sort of intellectual thing and the kind of the deep emotional and space, it's everything rolled into one.
But one of the things I find so persuasive about what you say, and I think the people who don't get the spiritual nature of the war we're fighting, what they're missing out on, is...
Is that the only thing that makes real sense of what's happening in the world is the concept of satanic inversion.
So, for example, we started off with the environmental movement and the environmental movement purports to be about saving the planet, loving animals, loving nature, loving, well, they wouldn't put it as God's creation, but loving Gaia.
And actually, you've got the erection of wind turbines, or as I call them, bat-chomping, bird-slicing eco-crucifixes, which slice and dice nature on an industrial scale and don't, and by the way, don't generate energy and make a horrible noise and disball the landscape and the view for miles around.
I don't think we should ever knock views.
I think views are one of the most beautiful things that, you know, it's not without reason that people climb up mountains to admire the view or that they take the view from their hotel bedroom of the sun setting over.
We are designed to enjoy views and even in that small detail the forces of darkness are waging war on our freedom to enjoy views which are Great.
Lovely.
And so it goes on.
You've got forests, virgin forests, being chopped down to I don't know, to grow palm trees for oil, industrial oil.
Worse than that, to install solar panel fields.
On and on it goes, and they tell us it's about saving the planet while they're actually destroying it.
And you can apply this formula, this satanic inversion formula, to almost anything that's happening in the world today, and it suddenly starts to make sense, doesn't it?
Yes.
In fact, within the next week I am going to publish an article on the role of satanic inversion and how it needs to happen for their control system because it operates and is fueled by cognitive dissonance.
Cognitive dissonance is a psychological effect where your mind doesn't want to accept the situation and so it creates some sort of bypass where you can cope with it.
This happens in emergencies, it happens in all sorts of uncomfortable situations and Basically, if you're not willing to accept reality, your mind will find a way around it that can make you comfortable, but the price you pay for that is that you become more susceptible to the next lie.
And this is actually where confidence men, con men, come in and they take advantage of your cognitive dissonance.
The job of a confidence man is to You speak so confidently and so assuredly about everything while scamming you that you experience cognitive dissonance because you're thinking there's no way this person can be lying to me this confidently.
There's no way I'm being tricked.
Some of the most outrageous scams in history were fueled by this unwillingness to accept the situation.
So there's actually a very interesting psychological play here where once you start doing evil and calling it good, You create this massive cognitive dissonance in the bystanders who are watching, and they then become culpable.
They then on some level have to accept the next lie that gets even worse, because otherwise where do you start to unpack the whole thing and point fingers?
You've basically been a bystander in a crime that's been ongoing your whole life.
And so there's this very strange role that cognitive dissonance plays where now Joe Biden is considered to be the most progressive righteous person while we know his, you know, his son's dealings and his daughter's diary which explains her showers with her
It's almost like they're daring us to call this out, and that's part of the cognitive dissonance is to lie so boldly to our faces, to be so blatantly hypocritical.
That the people who are invested in that paradigm, they become locked in and paralyzed because the paradox is so distressing and so hurtful.
If they started to feel reality and understand where they actually stood, it would basically shatter their whole worldview.
So they're upping the ante constantly, and that's where we get this clown world situation.
Yes.
They do seem to take great delight in deceiving us, that it seems to be more than a...
More than just they're having fun.
It seems to be a key part of their of the way they operate that they have to you know, I mean Michael Obama, for example, I mean, and I think he's not the first presidential wife who is not as presented.
So they've gone and taken the most one of the most conspicuous positions in the world and fooled.
What's that about?
I mean, the one that really set me off on the research of the world side, I was researching the Bible when I was younger, but it was 9-11, it was the World Trade Center number 7, and me and my brothers were looking at it and saying, What was that?
Why did the news not report that?
We saw it.
The BBC reported it 15 minutes before it happened.
How is nobody acknowledging what's happening?
It almost creates a sense of panic in you because you're like, they can't be doing this in front of our faces.
But then I would try to tell, like, let's say my mom, I would say, you know what they're doing?
Did you notice this?
You were watching the report, right?
And you could see her shut down in real time.
And this is what happens with everyone I was talking to back then.
They would shut down.
They could not afford to acknowledge reality because it's too painful.
It's too costly on the worldview that they've been building up.
So this is what they can accomplish and they know this is a proven psychological effect.
They're social engineers.
They know what they're doing.
And they create more and more outrageous scandals and invert it in your face and tell you that you're wrong.
You didn't see what you were actually seeing.
It's Orwellian thought crime, you know, peace is war and all this type of stuff where you create the inversions.
It paralyzes people and then you can manipulate them more easily because they're outside of rational thought now.
They're just coping with this nightmare that they refuse to acknowledge.
And I think that's where Christianity gives you the tools to escape that by having this proper framework of the ultimate conspiracy theory that Satan is the ruler of the world and that, you know, we're going to die and the next world will be where things are corrected.
And it's so bleak on one hand, But it's so appropriate to what we're actually seeing in real life that we can fearlessly point it out and most people are sort of just trapped wishing it wasn't true and it gives us an advantage in that.
I think this is why the Bible places such a high premium on truth.
I mean, I was never a good liar, but I really try extra hard now, always to tell the truth.
Because I think that if you make that your watchword, it makes it much easier to negotiate this world, to clear a righteous path through this world of deception and snares and stuff.
And I would say just as equally a large premium on courage.
Actually, a lot of people don't know this or notice it, but in Revelation, I believe it's Revelation 21 verse 8, it actually lists the people who will not enter paradise, who will not enter God's presence.
And cowards is the first thing listed.
Really?
You have murderers, adulterers, you have all sorts of people listed.
Which are the traditional sins.
But actually the first type of person listed that will not enter God's presence are cowards.
When I point that out, people's minds are blown because nobody has ever preached that before, but it's right there in the Bible.
Jesus constantly telling people, don't be afraid, be of good cheer.
The world hates me, but I have overcome the world.
If you start paying attention to the theme throughout the New Testament, you see that cowardice is actually one of the biggest enemies of Christianity and that Christians are actually required.
It's not optional.
You know, I understand the meek Christian that doesn't want to upset anyone.
But there's another level you're supposed to be reaching for as you mature as a Christian, where you start to take that risk, and you start to fight back, and you start to expose things.
And I try to warn people because I didn't write it, but I saw it with my own eyes, and you can check.
Courage is necessary, and that's what it takes when you're dealing with this cognitive dissonance machine.
There's also this thing called the bystander effect, where in a crisis, when a crime is happening in public, it's a very well-documented thing.
People stand around and they watch as if it's not real, as if it's not happening.
And it takes courage to break out of that trance as well and to take some personal responsibility and say, I could do something about this, I don't know what, but...
I need to speak out and as you start to absorb the magnitude of the deception and the fraud that we've been in, it takes a lot of courage to actually get out of that and to start acknowledging it personally, internally, and then outwardly sharing with other people and getting other people to To take courage.
And that's why I say we can only win as Christians.
There's no such thing as losing.
Because either they leave us alone, and we can spread our message, and we will win if they allow us to.
If they allow us to play on an even playing field, we will always win.
Or they can persecute and censor and turn the whole world against us, in which case we win again because Jesus said that everything we suffer in this life we get blessed for in the next life.
So ultimately there's nothing to be afraid of and that's where you can take courage.
So how does it all end?
What does Revelation tell us about Well, there's so many endings in Revelation that that's what I wrote the book about, is to try to give it all room to breathe and to play out the scenario.
For us, the logical end, I believe, would be the Tribulation, where there's some sort of
collapse scenario where society crumbles and we become the scapegoat of all the world's troubles and the world essentially kills us and then celebrates as if we were the ones who caused all the problems and then from there the cataclysms start happening worldwide cataclysms floods and earthquakes and these things that you people associate Revelation with and
And then Jerusalem becomes the focal point.
I imagine there has to be a physical third temple built.
That becomes a point of controversy and this 144,000 Israelites, you know, it goes on from there to their conversion story, how they end up, this small group of Israelites is hand-picked by God and becomes his sort of pet project as the whole world is coming to an end and the Antichrist comes by and all these types of things.
It's a fascinating, very long story.
I believe it's trying to tell the ending, though, in terms of, you know, a personal experience would be that you You know, you die and you go to heaven the old-fashioned way.
Hopefully, we end up being under the altar or in one of these prime positions as martyrs.
I believe martyrs have a very special place in God's plan.
You can see that when he comes back to establish his Millennial Kingdom.
Actually, those who are beheaded for the sake of Christ are given special thrones in his Millennial Kingdom.
So, there's a lot of things to look forward to if you're willing to suffer persecution.
And what happens to the people, you know, all our sort of loved ones who are not with the programme?
I am not the judge.
God is the judge.
I believe that before the tribulation really gets underway, there's going to be a deception and intimidation campaign that will weed out most lukewarm Christians, those who are cowardly.
Jesus refers to this as a great falling away.
I believe that's the next major prophetic event is the falling away.
It's going to become so scary to be a Christian that most churches are going to comply with whatever this agenda is that they start pushing on us.
People will essentially renounce any kind of fundamentalism and go along with the program.
And that's why I constantly am trying to tell people that I love that we need to change our perspective here.
We need to get to the point where we are excited about persecution.
We are actually anticipating it.
We have no fear at all and we're We're trying to provoke them to the point where they just do it, you know, just get it over with, take off the mask, stop pretending that you're tolerant, and let's get this show on the road.
I'm bored of life without, you know, telling the truth and exposing evil.
People cling much too tightly to the mundane, optimistic worldview where This is my Mennonite upbringing speaking in some way, but we were never supposed to love the world.
So there's been a long campaign to make us comfortable, to make us sleepy, to make us self-indulgent and distracted, and now we're getting the warning sirens and we need to wake up and fight.
Yeah, but surely to a degree we were meant to love the world.
I mean, what about all the beauty of nature and stuff that God made for us and all the wonderful things?
Was that not...?
It is meant to be a testimony to a creator that is certainly capable of doing all of that.
Right from the Garden of Eden you have the curse placed on the planet that also creates the weeds and the, you know, the bad things as well, the heat and the floods and all these types of things.
Absolutely!
God demonstrates his genius and his power.
The Bible actually says that even the pagans should have known that there was just one creator who designed everything by looking at the creation, by looking at the beauty and the unity of all existence.
And so, as far as a biblical worldview goes, it is the greatest testimony to a creator.
And if you look at throughout Revelation, It's actually an ongoing underlying theme over and over again of denying the creator.
There's a lot of emphasis when the angels start giving warnings and stuff.
Basically their main criticism of mankind at that future point is that they deny that there's a creator.
And so I think it's this timeless legacy, this timeless testimony That if people just looked into that, there's many scientists who have converted to Christianity, or at least a belief in a creator, just by studying their field of science.
And it's all buried, it's not publicized.
Yeah, creation science and these types of things get demonized and the world is beautiful, love is beautiful, these relationships are meaningful.
I'm not the type of person who just walks around depressed and ignoring these things.
I embrace all of the beauty and potential and creativity I can.
I enjoy life as much as I can while I'm here, but at the same time I'm going to Recognize the threat and the context in which we're actually living here and we're promised that in the next life we get to actually enjoy it without all these caveats and all these, you know, the war that's happening.
That would be good.
I'm really hoping that we get horses in the next life.
We know that there's not going to be any ocean.
That's a strange thing.
You can look that up in Revelation.
So people who like sailing, that's their hobby gone?
Maybe a lake, but not an ocean.
I don't know.
It's a strange thing, and I think Revelation 21 or so, where it's describing the next world, and one of the things it explicitly says is that there's not going to be any more sea.
That's a shame.
So no kind of coral reefs?
Hey, I'm just reporting what I found.
Yeah, I know you're just reporting.
I know, we can't, we can't.
Please let there be horses.
There could be beautiful horses, there could be, you know, I'm sure there'll be massive springs.
It kind of flies in the face of the heavenly... The good news is that it flies in the face of just the heavenly cloud misconception that heaven is just a place we float around in and we have nothing to do.
The Bible actually describes a rich new world that is created that has its own mountains and fields and all sorts of things like that.
We'll have a whole world to explore and it won't be this one.
It's so weird to jump between the pessimism of our situation with the joy I feel having a conversation like this.
It's so amazing to be able to explore these things and talk to people about it.
This is what gives me the most satisfaction is having these conversations and teaching people and telling people these things.
And then the worst thing that can happen is what?
They're going to starve me, kill me, chop my head off.
These things have all been done before to better people before me, and they handled it well, so I'm not scared of it, and then I get to have rewards in the next life.
I mean, it's actually not bleak from my point of view.
It's only bleak if you're invested in this crappy world that's already foregone, and what we're supposed to do in the meantime is prepare people for what's coming.
I've come to the conclusion that I'm not nearly as good a Christian as you, but I kind of think that God will probably give me a break because I think somebody listening to this podcast will probably have been, you know, persuaded, brought to the I fully expect so.
Every time I get to reach a new audience, I get wonderful feedback.
I'm always expecting a backlash of hate, and I never really get it, actually.
I don't know if it's something that I'm just so... I just wear it on my sleeve, and I don't try to hold... I don't know.
Maybe this will be the exception, but so far I've had No, just don't say that!
Well, I don't know why the David Icke people hate you now, so... Yeah, they do, that's true, but, you know, whatever, that's the deal, isn't it?
Of course you're going to get persecuted.
Yeah, no, I think we're good.
Terry, it's been an absolute joy talking to you.
Tell people where they can find your stuff.
The one-stop shop for my material is actually, I made my own website.
It's called wolfpox.com.
W-O-L-F-P-O-X.
It's the handle I used on TikTok.
It's the handle I used on Twitter and on YouTube.
It's an old handle I created when I was a teenager.
And I also have a substack, winterchristian.substack.com.
Yeah, WolfPox was a... the short story on that is that I was playing a video game where you could create your own character and...
Do you want to guess what my favourite video game is?
in the news and chicken pox.
And I thought, well, if they can be chicken pox, then there could be any kind of pox.
And my last name is Wolf.
So I thought Wolf pox sounded like a cool name and, uh, sort of stuck around as my, my handle online.
Do you want to guess what my favorite video game is?
The one I've invested more time in than any others.
Oh, guess.
I mean, let me guess.
Um, can you tell me what console or system it was on?
Sega.
Oh, then I'm going to be lost.
I mean, I'm going to have to guess Sonic, but... No.
No, no, no, no.
Actually, I did get to the boss level of Sonic.
I did get to Dr. Robotnik, or whatever he was called, Professor Robotnik.
I did actually beat him.
But, no.
My favourite of all video games... I'll try and demonstrate through the medium of...
Oh, what was that one called?
I'm gonna... He would go around pushing glyphs with his nose.
Was it like Echo or something like that?
Echo the Dolphin.
That is interesting.
I'm gonna have to take another look at that.
I glossed over it when I was younger.
Apparently it has fans.
Well, you know, I'm older than you are.
We had to make do with what we had in those days.
I mean, I actually remember the first video game I had was Pong.
It was a ball that went back You know, ironically, that was also my first video game because we were so poor growing up.
My family was poverty level.
All of our video game consoles were donations from a landlord uncle that I had who took junk out of people's apartments and he would donate.
old broken consoles to us so I actually had a Atari and Pong in the 90s and that was our consoles it was it was a donation so I enjoyed those classics for a while too until until we could finally get a Super Nintendo so yeah Pong was my also my first so you must have really appreciated that later stage in life having having had it so rough to get to Metal Gear Solid and all these stuff absolutely it
I basically went from the first generation of video games to the 32-bit generation in the span of three or four years.
So it felt like I was experiencing the biggest leaps in technology ever.
We've covered lots of ground.
Terry, thank you again.
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Thank you again, Terry.
Been really good and I'll see you on the other side.
You know, I mean, if I don't meet you before when we've had our heads chopped off.
I would love that, and that's what I tell people.
I always love to come back as a guest, but if not, we can have the conversations for eternity if we want to, in the next life.
I can see you actually coming back as a guest.
There's got to be loads more stuff we haven't covered.
