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Hello James, are we back?
No, it's an absolute pleasure.
How long ago was it when I last had you on?
I think it's about... I think it must be getting on for two and a half to three years because it was at the height of the Covid craziness, I remember.
And, you know, that's kind of died down and, yeah, that's what I remember from it.
We were talking about the sort of the emerging techno state, surveillance state and all of that kind of thing.
Hasn't gone away?
No, it hasn't gone away at all.
It's funny because now it's like there's been more sort of craziness added on to everything.
And it's still there simmering away in the background.
Somebody sent me a video yesterday of this nurse talking about excess deaths.
And I thought, yeah, that's still rumbling away.
It's just that we've also got crumbling infrastructure, the Great Replacement, plus probably World War III.
It's just too much to take in, which I think is probably what we can get into, maybe.
Yeah, I think it's too much to take in by design, isn't it?
It's to keep the populace in a constant state of confusion and anxiety and fear, and then they're not sure which way to look because, you know, there's a story...
From Israel about this terrible massacre where babies are having their heads chopped off, apparently.
And then you've got the recent attempts to revive the Ukraine-Russia thing.
I mean, who could have predicted that?
I thought that particular story had gone off the ball and they'd given up on that one.
They weren't trying to make us wave.
Blue and yellow flags anymore, the gays had moved on to Israel, but now they've revived that one.
And you're right, we get the farmer stories, lots and lots of stories about farmers, and you've got Jeremy Clarkson being wheeled in to say things that are kind of funny about French farmers.
All these, all these, all these sort of pop-up stories like, like, um, like when there's box, there's, there's characters in boxes that pop up, Jack-in-the-boxes or whatever, are designed to distract us.
Yeah, I didn't even know about the Jeremy Clarkson thing with the French.
I mean, there's that many angles on it.
I mean, is he kind of doing a sort of Little England kind of look at the lazy French that are always rioting or whatever?
No, I think his designated role this time is to surprise us all by encouraging the French farmers.
So you're supposed to go, ooh, Jeremy Clarkson.
Previously having been xenophobic about the French, he's now identifying with them.
I don't know.
He's got some farm show and I think he's become more sympathetic to what the farmers are being put through.
It's a great show.
Have you not seen it?
No, I haven't seen it.
Do you not watch TV?
No, I mean, I will probably actually watch that Clarkson because I do like that kind of thing.
It's not like I hate Jeremy Clarkson and I never ever watch anything.
You know, people can get a bit purist about that kind of thing.
But I just haven't watched it yet.
I mean, I've been watching The Crown recently because the missus has forced me to watch The Crown.
I thought that was interesting because it takes you on that whole sort of Basically it starts at the end of World War 2 and we are up to like Diana has just died.
And I do think it's like I got irritated with the immediate post World War 2 kind of thing.
It's what I call bulldog nationalism, which I just think sort of crippled the nation in a way.
All of this sort of biscuit tin kind of patriotism and Churchill with a cigar and all this kind of stuff.
And I was looking forward to when we'd get more up to date.
And like Thatcher would come in and this kind of thing.
And I quite enjoyed it.
I mean, I'm getting away with it quite a bit, actually.
And it is quite sympathetic for the Queen.
The Queen comes out of it very well, but Charles and the rest of them not that well, I don't think.
If I'd been playing Morgoth topic bingo I would never have dreamed that the crown would be on the list of things we'd be discussing.
Was this part of your kind of the onerous conditions of your marriage that yeah okay you're allowed to do this and that and you can keep that hobby but you've got to watch all the way through the crown with me?
Yeah, pretty much.
I mean, we did Game of Thrones and then we did...
Breaking Bad, and then it was like, okay, now it's my turn, and I was on the hook.
And I was like, hang on a minute, those Game of Thrones, those Breaking Bad episodes are only 35 minutes apiece.
These Crown ones, it's like a film.
But yeah, I got away with it in the end.
There's things that jump out at you, which you kind of think, I mean, it is being kind of pilloried for not being accurate.
But there was a bit that I saw where Tony Blair was there with the Queen, and it was when the Royal Britannia was being put out of pasture.
And the drama was that the royal family wanted the taxpayer, essentially, to pay for Royal Britannia.
And there wasn't forthcoming, the politicians wouldn't go for it and Tony Blair was there in his little meeting that they have like once a week and he was saying like, well what we can do is we will give you the money but you'll change the name and it'll be called New Britain.
And I'm going to get my friends in NGOs and finance to pay for it all.
And I thought, there it is.
There it is.
There's the public-private partnership.
It's not particularly new.
It's right there.
And old Queenie wasn't very impressed with it.
But there it was.
Even there, you could see the seeds being planted of just turning everything into a supermarket.
But before we go on, Morgoth, I'm very interested in your take on the crown, actually.
Just briefly, for those who are not familiar with the great Morgoth, tell us roughly who you are.
I'm just a blogger.
I do a bit of YouTube.
I'm from the Northeast.
I've got a YouTube channel.
I do stuff on Substack.
I generally do things from a kind of reactionary right-wing perspective.
And there's things, I mean, I think in my general sort of worldview, last time I came on, we kind of touched on it a little bit, but I think I'm kind of very sort of influenced by Oswald Spengler and his cyclical view of history.
And what I do is put things into, like things that are going on in the world now, and I try and sort of Just figure out where that is.
It isn't always apparent.
I'll do like a hot take on something or go off on a tangent or something.
But most of the time, or not always, but a lot of the time I'm thinking of that kind of where we are in this grand arc of history.
And it's sort of testing the theory of it.
But people who regularly watch my videos or read my Substack essays will be well aware of all of that.
Yes, well I'd like to introduce you to a wider audience because I do love your stuff and I love your cultural analysis and I love, I have to say, some of your phrases.
I mean, we can talk about your essay later on, your latest Substack essay about conscription.
But can you remember the line that I really love, where you describe what a Ukraine-Russian war will look like if we end up participating in it?
Yeah, I've got the, if you give me a second I'll be able to just get the, because you did the exact, you sent me like an exact quote.
Yes.
But it was, yeah, this one here.
White boys don't want to have a giggling Russian girl sitting in an office and brob Kova flying grenade laden drones into their balls as they cower in a bog and everyone knows why.
If we go to war in that benighted part of the world, that is what it will be like, isn't it?
Cowering in a trench while drones bomb you with grenades.
Yeah, that is what it's going to be like and it will be The person behind the drone will be like hundreds of miles away and it's probably going to be like, because all of the men are being sent into the front lines, it'll probably be like a young woman sitting there who's doing it.
I mean, I saw a video on Twitter or somewhere last week and it showed, it was actually the other way around, it was a picture, a tank had exploded and the Russian climbed out of the top And then the drone kind of came down on him, hovered over the top of him.
It was like a sort of big mosquito or something like that, like some kind of freakish dinosaur insect from some prehistoric age.
And he noticed it was there when he started to run.
It was like this macabre thing where he was running around his broken tank to try and get away from it.
And it just flew into him and exploded and killed him.
And I thought that is grotesque, like that is absolutely, that is really horrible.
Where you've got somebody just sitting in an office somewhere, or, you know, sitting comfortably in a trench, or way from way back.
And I think because it looks, I mean, the man's dying, but it has this kind of comedic element to it, where he's running like Benny Hill or something, with a drone coming after him, and it's just going to blow him up.
And it just seemed wrong on so many levels.
But at the same time, I find it difficult to explain why because, I mean, people are saying, well, drones are, you know, there's something morally impulsive about it.
There's something cowardly about it.
But then again, you know, it's not new.
Is it then sort of more heroic to send intercontinental missiles or drop napalm on people or use rocket launchers or all of these other ways we've come up to butcher each other?
I mean, it's funny because Maybe in World War One they viewed it where mustard gas would be seen as inherently cowardly or even just a machine gun.
But I do, I take all of that on board.
But there's something about this kind of drone warfare which I do find disturbing.
And I'm well aware, like, In theory, it's not really different from firing a grenade at somebody or using a sniper rifle or something else.
But there's something, I don't know, there's something which looks just wrong about it.
Yeah, no, I'm with you.
I was thinking, probably if you went back to the era of the crossbow, You would find that people felt the same way about the crossbow that this this is horrible long-distance weapon that could kill you with the person firing.
It couldn't even see the whites of your eyes.
And I know that I think it was at either at Cressy or Agincourt the The Genoese crossbowman got slaughtered, you know, they were shown no mercy a bit like snipers were when they were captured in the First Second World Wars.
They tended to get short shrift.
There are certain weapons which people think are unethical but the the drones are like something I've seen.
I've seen dystopian science fiction movies with drones.
I mean, I think Some of the combat in Terminator might have might have envisioned that and there was that film with Tom Cruise where he keeps dying and coming back and what's that one called?
The Day After Tomorrow or something.
Yeah.
I know which one you mean.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's been prefigured in the movies and now here it is and it's it's horrible.
Yeah.
I mean the fact that we can see people we used to remember when we were sort of kids.
We heard about these things called snuff movies, but and people said yeah, but then they would they're not real because no one would do it for real because you could always fake it but these are real-life snuff movies being served up for our sick.
It's totally normalised as well.
I remember when there was one on VHS video, and back in the day, you know, I grew up on North Tyneside, and if somebody had a video called, it was called Faces of Death was one of them, and then the word would go around that somebody's, oh, he's got the house, his parents have gone out for the night, and he's got faces of death.
And we'd all cram in.
But then when he actually saw it, it was really grainy.
It was horrific.
It was bad.
But there was a kind of aura about it.
Something really dark and horrible.
But it was terrible quality.
But still, you could vaguely see people being shot and whatnot.
And it was seen like, is this allowed?
Are we allowed to see this?
And now it's just right there on Twitter, floating down your live feed every day, just in high definition as well.
These scenes where we kind of passively watch men, and sometimes women, dying.
And it isn't even just war zones either, it's like inner city America and all of this, just this decaying husk of a civilization that we're in now.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean if you were looking for signs of a civilization on its last legs...
I mean, there are various indicators, aren't there?
Apparently another indicator, and this happened, of course, in ancient Rome, where you had people like Lucullus and all these incredibly rich people having these decadent banquets.
But one of them is the advent of the celebrity chef.
Celebrity chefs are a marker of a decadent civilization.
And this is another one.
Yeah, and there's a lot.
I mean, there's the low fertility, there's the fact that you can see that we are Jew.
I mean, a lot of my friends are like, where is our Caesar figure?
Because if you map on the sort of Well, what Spengler, the classic civilization, we are now waiting for the Caesar figure to come along.
And so you can see that with ripples and various different characters and people who are coming up on the stage, but we're not fully there yet.
Donald Trump is an obvious one, but I think he's too old.
I mean, the actual Caesar wasn't a young man when he became Caesar, but I think Trump's a bit too old.
And I think it could go the wrong way as well.
I don't think it could.
Maybe it's some tech bro like Elon Musk or something like that.
But if you want to follow that kind of line of thought through, there is this... the Caesar figure would be a kind of centrist populist.
And he would unite all of these warring factions and he'd put the money power down and then the civilization would sort of ossify and just sort of become stagnant but more or less stable for a long time.
But we aren't in that situation but you can see that it's becoming increasingly unhinged.
I mean...
I think where we are as well is that you get this sense that there's a kind of crisis, but it hasn't been formally announced, where people wander about.
And I mean the masses, the normies here, because everybody runs the normies down.
They're just brain dead.
They'll just go along with anything.
Yeah, that's true enough to a certain extent.
But I talk to a lot of people and you get the impression that the things are just not right.
It didn't used to be like this.
And they've got all this wiring and they've got all this programming in their brains.
But they kind of sense it.
And I was thinking with the... I did an article on Substack.
It's called Hard Times in the White Walrus, where you see this phenomenon now of young women on TikTok videos and they're crying in their cameras and they're saying, no matter how hard I work, I just can't make ends meet.
And it hasn't really been explained to them what's going on.
Nobody really knows.
I mean, at least in COVID, it was a crisis and they announced it and it's like, we know where we are.
It's a state of exception.
And I often think to myself, what happens if there is actually another crisis?
But they don't actually formally announce it.
So everybody's just wandering around, feeling this sort of general sort of shitness about life.
But the leaders and the political class haven't actually told anybody what's happening.
And that's kind of where I see it now.
And you go from... Because I know it's not, like, romantic to talk about, and it's not this kind of deep dive down the rabbit hole.
But you can see it when you go through town centres now, and there's just vape shops and Turkish barbers everywhere.
And it's like, all of the shops that you used to go to are shut down and everything looks bitched.
All these shitbox newbills popping up everywhere.
And everybody's just like, what's happening?
What's going on?
Why does everything feel shit?
Yes!
You're so right about the vape shops and the Turkish barbers.
I mean, who...
What do you think is behind the Turkish barbers?
For one thing, I noticed they are not Turkish, a lot of these people.
I went through a brief naive phase where I thought, this is rather fun.
You can go to a Turkish barber and you don't have to make an appointment and they give you a rather splendid massage.
Isn't it jolly?
When I tried conversing with these, in this particular shop, very, very surly people who look like they'd rather be cutting my throat than cutting my hair.
I tried my rudimentary Turkish on them and they were clearly unfamiliar with the language.
So I don't know what country they actually come from.
What's your theory on these?
Are they money laundering or what?
Yeah, I think it's money laundering.
But even then you think, well, okay, so how are they getting away with it?
Because they're everywhere.
Yeah.
So presumably there'd be government inspections or There'd be some kind of bureaucracy that was getting on to it.
That it's obviously this big scam.
And it's like, nobody seems to care.
It's just a free-for-all.
These are like the little indicators to people that something's not right.
Like, okay, if you've got mass immigration, which in itself is an issue, Like, if we've got it against our will, and despite the fact that it's what I do all of the time, even then you can expect, well, okay, you're going to have like an Indian restaurant here or there because there's people coming in.
Yeah, okay, we get it.
But with the Turkish Bar Bars, it's just so ubiquitous and you think, well, why is this happening?
And if it's a money laundering scam, why hasn't it been shut down?
And I don't really mean to go on and on about the Turkish Barbas, it's more like it's an example of something which isn't quite right, but which you can't explain.
I heard a term a while ago called high strangeness.
This, like in the Matrix, where the cat passes the hallway twice, and it's like, what was that?
And it's a sign that there's a glitch.
There's a little thing happened that you're not supposed to notice, but you can't quite explain it.
And I feel like there's so much of that, there's so much in the way that politicians and the media speak, that people just find off, that it's not quite right.
Yes, I agree.
Where are you on vape shops?
I mean, it strikes me that, again, I sort of believe the narrative initially.
I thought vaping was kind of a safer alternative to smoking cigarettes and that, you know, I thought that their proliferation was something organic, i.e.
something responding to the market.
But I look at them now and their ubiquitousness and the kind of weird scenes you see inside them of people just kind of Blowing puffs of candy flavoured smoke in big clouds and just, I don't know.
They mystify me.
What's your take?
Yeah, I don't know, I can understand that, like, cigarettes are being phased out, so I can understand that there's a market for vape shops, but, like, really that many?
Especially when, like, you can order everything offline now, and vape juice should be something which is very easy to order on the internet.
Like, these things, I think the issue, I don't know if there's some kind of poison in them, the vape, I don't know anything about that.
I think there is.
But I just find it odd that, of all the things which are thriving at the moment, it's like Turkish barbers and vape shops.
And yeah, it's pretty depressing.
It's so seedy.
And especially the people that tend to work there.
It's just this sort of nondescript biomass from somewhere else in the world.
It all kind of rolls into one kind of homogenized globalist man for like a Kurd or a Turk or an Iranian or a North African and it doesn't it just doesn't seem to matter anymore it's just it's depressing.
Another feature of declining civilizations of course is Sexual perversion, androgyny, sort of the normalization of things that would previously be considered sort of inimical to things like reproduction, the family unit and so on.
I mean, I was watching, I went to see a terrible film last night.
I mean, really, it just absolutely messed with my head.
And I can't imagine it's the sort of film you're ever going to see because you tend to do Well, you tend to review more mainstream stuff, don't you?
And you're very good at that.
It was an art movie, which has been, I mean, it's been getting sort of five out of five by pretty much all the critics.
And I'm just, I forget the name of these things.
You know, I get dragged along to the cinema by my family who are slightly more normie than I am.
And the film was called, It's called All of Us Strangers.
Have you heard of it?
No.
Well, it's very, very bleak and it's got what could be a quite interesting premise where this guy who has lost his parents in a car crash when he was 12 and he goes to visit their old house and discovers that the parents are still living there.
at the same age they were when they died.
So he goes and has conversations with them and stuff.
Now, that particular conceit could have been taken in any particular direction.
I mean, you could make a comedy out of that, couldn't you?
Or at least there could be comedic moments in it.
But the way that this theme has been handled, A, the guy is gay, and you see him embarking on this relationship with this other man in the film.
And he... He...
He... He...
Um, it's also very, very dark.
I mean, it's relentlessly dark.
It's one of the most depressing films I've ever seen, particularly at the end, which I almost feel it's my duty to spoil just so that no one gets tempted to go and watch it.
But I won't.
So one, there's a kind of existential despair.
So it fills the viewer of the film with this sense that life is really kind of quite pointless.
I mean, it pretends it's got a...
It's got a kind of vaguely optimistic ending where love conquers all but it isn't really it's actually very very bleak but the second thing is that we are being
Forced to watch gay sex happening on a screen and a man being sort of tossed off while he has a bath while at work by his gay lover and and okay so there's not there's not full-on buggery but nevertheless what the film tells you is if you are shocked by this you really are not living in the in the 20 what decade are we 2030s?
You know, you should be over this by now.
It kind of tells you.
And you should be really comfortable with watching gay sex.
I mean, I don't like straight sex in movies.
I didn't like the depiction of sex at all.
But if I'm going to have to have any sex, I'd rather kind of have straight sex than gay sex.
And I'm not sure that that makes me a bad person.
I think it makes me a kind of a normal person, doesn't it?
Yeah, I mean, I think that the social engineering is beginning to backfire for the regime now, which is kind of a theme in my article on conscription.
Because it's as if... I mean, I mentioned the Matrix before, and there's a scene in the Matrix where they capture Morpheus and Agent Smith is torturing him.
And kind of weirdly and sadistically and and it's like he shouldn't be doing that he's going off script he's he's he's pulled out as the upload and he's he's kind of he's got more agency you know and then the other agents arrive and one of them says What are you doing?
And he has this kind of moment of revelation where, yeah, I've kind of gone off on my own there.
And I feel there's an element about how weird and perverted and sick Western elites have become, that when there's geopolitical rivals begin to sort of Poke around at them.
They've become conscious of what it is they have been doing in the West.
Like, when America was completely at its peak and hegemonic, and it didn't have any rivals, it didn't have anything to be scared of, it's as if it could become this kind of satanic, degenerate, perverted, rainbow, dildo shitshow.
And it was like, well, we are at the top.
We can do this.
But then all of a sudden you see that elsewhere there's other kind of people outside of the West beginning to sort of push on, assert themselves.
And it's like the whole sort of degenerate state of the West, we become conscious of it.
I think the elites are kind of looking at it now and thinking, what have we been doing?
What's happening here?
Because if I mean, I think some of the audience may push back that because they would probably think like everybody was in on it, like all of these governments and things.
I actually don't think that.
I think there is genuine power struggles in the world.
I don't think they do have a lock on Putin or the government of China or this kind of thing.
I think that was, like, in the Ukraine thing, I think that was, I think that was, like, actually real.
And so then you have to think, well, we've got these severe structural weaknesses, and we need to know what to do about them, because otherwise the civilization's going under.
Especially because we're ruled by scumbags, and this is their thing.
They've got power here, and if the western power If they become weaker, if Western civilization becomes weaker, as it is, then so does their power, their platform, if you like, their ability to extract taxes from the cattle and whatnot.
But do you think that the people actually, I mean, you say it sort of sends a signal to our leaders that maybe they've pushed it too far, but isn't that the plan?
Order Or out of chaos.
Yeah.
They want to destroy everything so that they can rebuild the world.
They can rebuild the Tower of Babel and, you know, make us all this sort of globo-homo, um, hodgepodge sort of, you know, subject to the new world order.
Isn't that the plan?
I think so, but I've got a slightly different take on it.
I think there's a sort of energy to the West which is different and specific to elites in the West.
So you can say, well yeah, they're trying to now export that.
Wokeness is an export of the American deep state.
But I think what we're seeing now is that a country like China or Iran or Russia and these other places are saying, well, we don't want that.
So that may well be what they want, but I don't think that's what they're going to get.
I don't think that they're going to turn China gay.
Um, or make them like sort of worship George Floyd or any of, on any of these things.
I think they want to, but I don't think they can, I don't think they're going to be able to do it.
In fact, I think the tension between it, I think that's why there is tension now in the world.
I don't think they have, I don't think there's like sort of a back channel to the, to the president of China where he is also secretly in on this thing.
You made a lovely point in your piece about conscription, which is that the only element in society which are actually hot for war with Russia are the very people who are the shit libs who are utterly incapable of fighting it.
Yeah, yeah.
And what discussed... Because they carry the water of the regime.
You know, they're sort of the managerial types in the system, in the bureaucracy.
But then they've given themselves, as I put it, like this convenient exemption from actually going out and fighting.
So that leaves them casting around at who should be doing the fighting, and it turns out it's the gammon.
It's the people they hate the most.
And what I want to get across is that the government should just stay exactly where they are.
It should all be good.
Just go fishing.
Just go for a walk in the park with your dog.
And don't do this at all.
Because, I mean, equally as bad, the way that it slots in is the kind of The sort of GB News centre-right types who are getting all linguistic and all, oh, well, you know, what kind of patriots are you?
You don't want to go out and die for, you don't want to go out and die for butt sex in Botswana.
And it's all of this kind of thing.
And these are just as bad.
I can't stand them.
I can't, I don't know who I hate the most.
I mean, what I try to do is just get across to the sane people, like, just to stay out of it.
I mean, even, it was the same with the sort of the Douglas Murray types, you know, it's all of this language that's getting more and more sort of crazy.
But when they, like, They want to hand everything over without even any kind of negotiation.
I mean, even if we had a nice sort of organization, I mean, they would ban a political party, of course.
But if you could then say, well, OK, ban...
The critical race theory stuff, halt immigration completely for five years, and if there's any foreign men in the jails then deport them immediately, and then we'll consider it.
Then we'll consider having trust in the establishment again.
And what the centre-right do is not even ask for any of that.
They just say, yeah, okay, we're signing up.
We'll go along.
We'll go along with whatever you want.
Without anything.
Without even entering the negotiation.
So even if you wanted to go on that kind of route.
It's still completely retarded to say, well, we'll do it for free because you're so good to us or some kind of... It's just ridiculous.
At least withhold your support until you see what they put on the table.
You're so right.
But do you think that... Does anyone watch GB News?
Isn't it all just a sort of fake operation?
Yeah, totally.
I don't watch it.
I just see little clips on social media.
I mean, it was kind of based for a while, and then what happened is the Tories just purged everybody who was interested, and just all you got was like this vanilla It's sort of rubbish.
It was edgy for a while there.
It was causing a stir.
But then they just got Ofcom in to sort of break their legs.
I did an article called, that's a nice little news channel you've got going there.
Be ashamed.
That's basically what Ofcom is.
Yeah.
You know that Ofcom is run by this childhood friend of mine?
Melanie Dawes, the woman who... It's just weird watching my contemporaries just screw up the world.
Turn it into this kind of authoritarian hell.
It is weird.
Where did that come from?
We used to eat from the same party plates and cut the same birthday cakes and stuff.
What's wrong with these?
Where do they come from?
Where do they find these people?
I don't know.
I think you can answer that more than me.
They mystify me.
They're all the same as well.
They're always just kind of robotic, technocratic.
They don't talk like normal people either.
I mean, I was watching a UK column, and you pick up on all these phrases that they use.
You know when they'll kind of dig out a government document of dodgy stuff?
About getting the narrative straight on G7 for the geopolitical push.
And it's all this kind of negotiating narrative frameworks.
I hate that.
It's all these words now.
When I was younger, I used to think they sounded fancy and intelligent.
And now they just make me want to puke.
I hate the word framework.
Narrative framework and this kind of thing.
Well all these phrases are designed, I mean management speak, bureaucrat speak, whatever.
It's all designed to give you insider status.
So that if you can learn the language, it's like sort of mastering Mandarin or something.
Yes.
It's a way to signal that you're a friend.
You're a friend of the regime.
You know the language.
You're a managerial type.
You're a friend of the regime.
That's how you get ahead.
So whoever picks up that language, it's like a little signifier that, OK, they're coming in.
They're going to get on the inside.
Whereas somebody like me would never get anywhere.
Have you ever used the phrase, going forward?
Not unironically.
I sometimes will do something like that with the missus or you know like I'll act as if I'm like this management type and like and I'll say okay team and you know all of this kind of thing but never never because I'm conscious of it I'm conscious.
I mean I worked in a warehouse and all I did I drove a forklift Oh fun, come on Morgan, that is a fun job, driving a forklift.
Yeah, it was great, I did it for years.
But then you'd have like these Geordie lasses who'd been to uni and they were like HR types.
And you'd know them, you knew them from the big market, you knew them from out on the piste, you knew they were slap-backs, you know what I mean?
And then, like, you'd see them, like, sort of eight or ten years later, and they'd pop up.
They'd pop up with a Hillary Clinton suit on, and it was all this kind of, okay, going forward, we need to look at the narrative frameworks, and making outreach with them, employee outreach.
And you would think, come on, Lucy, what happened to you?
You know what I mean?
And there's that little, there's that little glint in the eye.
Is there anything left inside?
Christ, alrighty.
Yeah that's what that's what's happened to us it's it's well that's another it's another of those those glitches that we can all see it it's it's so wrong yeah yeah it is and and it's it's all um It's all peddled relentlessly.
I sometimes think, like there was a thing yesterday I saw on the news, where some migrant has thrown acid or something into loads of people's faces, children as well in London.
And it's like these horror stories as well, where it kind of, that'll last in the news cycle for about six hours or something, and then it'll be gone.
But it leaves, I think on a certain level, it leaves an imprint on people.
And again, you think this is happening all of the time now, and it isn't, the government won't address it.
You get like Rishi Sunak's stupid grin, pretending that everything's, it's all lies.
I mean, I think long term, this is a problem.
I mean, you know, something like Ofcom, the online harms bill.
You know, one of the things, they have to negotiate with this chronic lack of trust.
That this problem that they have where everybody just thinks they're liars, this disconnect and turning away from it, which is becoming more and more of a thing.
This is a problem.
This is a problem for engagement with the public, where everybody's just off forming their own narratives.
I mean, how does power legitimize itself if everybody knows it's just all lies?
And there's this kind of beaten down sort of sense where you just can't change anything.
And in Britain, you can't.
It's a horrible situation because, I mean, sometimes I think I wish I could just fake it and kind of convince myself of it.
That voting matters, for example, and it doesn't.
It's just, it's an insult to intelligence to even cast a vote at this point.
But there's millions of people starting to think like that.
I mean, I hate the idea that Nigel Farage said the other day, the Tories have wrecked this country and they need to be punished.
And then he finished his little tweet off with, at the ballot box, and I was like, oh, I was getting all excited there.
Something's going to happen.
Something's going to happen and then it's like, oh no, nothing.
We're just going to vote them out.
They're friends in finance and they're doing a class.
They'll keep the corpse twitching long enough and then gradually begin to reanimate it, like the Frank on Hellraiser.
Where the blood begins to come back in his body, you know, because he's feasting on like teenage girls or whatever.
That's where we'll be in time, 10 years time or something.
Yeah.
Oh, it's so depressing.
Just briefly flashing back to the beginning of this podcast, because I didn't find out.
What do you think of the Royal Family?
I'm at a stage where I would rather just have a king, even if it was Charles with his horrible shit-lid politics and his World Economic Forum crap, I'd rather just have that.
I'm basically okay with Royal Family.
I've come full circle where I'd rather just have somebody that could say he's in charge because what I just can't stand is this kind of managerial bureaucracy when nobody ever takes accountability for anything.
It just seems like it's the worst system.
I mean, who do you blame for the migrant boats coming across?
Who do you blame for what's happening with farmland, for example?
And in the end, there's nobody there.
There's just this sort of shadow.
It's like you're fighting mist.
Or fog or something.
It just comes out of the machine.
Whereas if you've got just a sovereign, you've got a figurehead, then you can say, well, okay, he's in charge and I disagree with it, but then I'm put to rest.
I'm also put to rest with this big co-op that I'm actually can change any of this.
So I absolutely think that monarchy is superior and always a proper one.
To what we have, this ridiculous liberal democracy system.
I mean, the big problem, I think, with the British royal family is that what people, especially in my kind of view, as we'll see, is that the Queen in particular just sat back and watched the whole country go to hell.
And in the crown, Sort of get back where we were.
She is painted as this conservative figure, but at the same time they've baked into the cake the idea that tradition is her never saying anything at all.
So she can't, like it's tradition to look after the institutions.
And the state is cool in a way, but it's also a tradition that she just keeps her mouth shut about all the terrible things politicians are doing to the country.
And I don't, in the end, that's useless.
You need somebody with power.
Well, we're sold these lines, Morgoth.
I mean, look, I used to be a great defender of that principle, the constitutional monarchy, and we were sold this line, and I think Baget said something about this, that, you know, the role of the monarch is to advise and You know, but not to take a direct role in the running of the country or to express opinions and stuff.
And you're told this, but is it necessarily the case?
Is that not maybe just an excuse that actually there are a bunch of Satanist layabouts who were just leeching off the country?
They're kind of, you know, they're basically vampires.
I mean, how do we know?
How can we differentiate between the version of reality that we're given by royal correspondents and on series like The Crown, where we're told that the issues that matter in the royal family are Whether or not they get to keep their Royal Yacht.
I mean, they're portrayed, aren't they, as this sort of anachronism on its uppers.
They're constantly in need of more cash.
The Queen goes round turning off the lights because she's very frugal.
Yes, it is like that.
But is it real?
Is that not just part of the soap opera we're presented with?
To hide the truth that these people are enormously rich.
I mean, is it not true that the crown owns everything on the surface and five miles beneath the surface and the sea surrounding this sceptered isle?
And if that's the case, shouldn't we worry that we don't even have property rights?
You know, we thought we'd got past all that.
We thought Magna Carta counted for something.
We thought when we chopped off Charles I's head that we created this sort of parliamentary system.
Maybe it was all an illusion.
Yeah, maybe it is, I don't know.
I certainly hadn't thought that deeply into the situation with the monarchy.
I mean, I'm basically just looking at it in terms of political systems.
In a sort of normie take, as presented now, I see this endless kind of bureaucratic monster where nobody's in charge and everybody's got to get out and then if you've got one man sitting on top of the throne he's the boss.
In a way you can just leave the royal family out of it and just think of somebody like Joseph Stalin.
I would probably prefer to have like ruled by Joseph Stalin than the Tory party at this point because at least I know who's in charge.
And you get it, things become very much simplified because you can see who his friends are, you can see what he holds dear, and so then you don't cross the line on that.
It's a bit like how Elon Musk ...runs Twitter.
Elon Musk runs Twitter like a king.
He got rid of the managers, he got rid of all the bureaucracy, and he imposed himself as a monarch.
And then he's got his own little favourites, he's got his own little friends, and there's people going along asking for special favours.
And if you just stay away from that, you're kind of left alone.
Whereas when it's the permanent bureaucracy, they never leave you alone.
And they're common for you all of the time.
We had a podcast guest a few weeks ago.
I say we, like it's the real we.
I had a podcast guest called Rune Ostgaard, I think it was.
He's Norwegian.
And he was saying that in his part of Norway there was this tradition where You had kings, right?
But every household was required, if the king exceeded his powers and started imposing things on you that were against the interests of the populace, you had a duty to gather together and form a band and go and kill him before he did any more harm.
That's quite a good approach.
Yeah, I think that's fine.
I've got a book here, The Golden Bough.
It's on my bookshelf over there.
James Fraser?
Yes, and he gets into some obscure kind of Ancient rituals and traditions.
And there was like that.
There was the ritualistic killing of the king.
And the new king, the high council would decide that this other person would make a better king because of mistakes that had been made.
And then the old king would be ritually beheaded or murdered or something.
All these things are possible.
But when you've got just the wispy, sort of amorphous, nobody's in charge, it's all... I just can't stand it.
I find it to be the worst of all worlds.
And the intrusion into people's lives, it's kind of weird because, you know, I used to be quite a sort of big state nationalist, but I find myself Having to resort to more and more almost libertarian kind of arguments because there's just a sheer amount of intrusion and nudging that comes into your life from the government.
They're expanding everything.
I hate it.
It's a terrible thing.
Do you sense any resistance or do you have any sense of how one might resist or that things might get better or is it all doomed?
I mean the emerging sort of thought on the dissident right is that people have... I mean you had Evelyn and Scrump on a few weeks ago and they get into this a lot.
And there's a sort of the newer people coming in they like elite theory where they would look at rather than like sort of.
People's ideology or belief systems, it would just be sort of looking at it in terms of power and getting it to say, well, the problem is not their ideology, it's that they are in power and we are not.
And I find this kind of cold sort of calculating realism is becoming more and more fashionable on the right.
You can even see it sort of influencing and coming out more people like Tucker Carlson.
So really the only thing to be done is to have a different organized elite that would replace the one we've got, which is obviously a lot easier said than done.
And one of the reasons for that is because they've created this giant techno surveillance state, which is watching everybody all of the time and picking people up on minor infractions and putting people on show trials and all of this kind of thing.
I mean, One that was going on last week is Sam Malia.
He's looking at jail for putting up nationalist stickers around the place.
Yeah.
And nobody knows what they can say.
It's all left amorphous.
It's all left sort of, you're not sure if you're breaking the law or not.
You just know that if the regime finds you to be an enemy, then you can expect the police to come for you.
For the maleness of things.
I was talking about Sam Mellier on my Telegram group and I was saying, well, I have to say I read what he said on his leaflets and it doesn't seem particularly extreme to me.
It just seems like common sense, you know.
Did he say anything that struck you as beyond the pale?
No, not at all.
And it's a basic sort of, whites are going to be a minority by 2066.
You know, don't do white guilt.
There was something about rape gangs.
But it was that kind of thing.
That was that kind of thing where People were on the streets in their thousands with banners just 10 years ago talking about the exact same things.
The problem is that the way we live in Britain is that these problems are not being addressed.
These are legitimate concerns of the people.
Again, the people who out on Normie Street who are walking past the vape shops and the Turkish barbers Getting this sense that something's not right and the reaction of the our techno surveillance state is to pay like sort of grab people.
I mean he actually got he actually got arrested at one point under the Terrorism Act.
Like, I remember the days, I remember the days, you know, growing up in England in the 90s and that, where a terrorist would be, what would come to my mind would be an IRA, where you'd have the balaclava on and the army jacket.
That was, that was your vision of a terrorist.
Now it's somebody who's got a roll of stickers.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's funny.
I was going to say, so I was talking about all this and one of the people in the group, you know, these are people who are kind of red-pilled at the very least and probably down the rabbit hole.
And the person said, yeah, but we want to be careful because the police have found Nazi material in his house or something like that.
You know, he could be a proper Nazi.
And I was thinking, Hang on a second, the police could find material in my house proving that I was a proper Nazi.
I mean, I've got biographies of Hitler.
I think when I was in Slovenia once, I went to a market and I found the Like you have on the front of a car.
I've got the metal swastika that you'd put on the front of your, I don't know, your Mercedes-Benz staff officer's car or something.
I remember once the BBC were filming around my house and I had to scan the room in case it was on a shelf or something where they'd spot it and focus on it.
Yeah, I mean, I think they had, there was a picture of Oswald Mosley in their place.
I mean, remember, the police had to get in there in the first place just to see this stuff.
So that's kind of, you know, after the fact, they've already gone into the house.
And then there was a picture of Hitler and I think it was like some sort of ironic meme or joke or something like that.
And it wasn't his either, it was his wife's.
But the point is, they were already in there just to see that in the first place.
And the bar is so low for all of this stuff.
And it makes you wonder, like...
I don't understand why they would go after them.
There's something about the nationalist right which they just get really crucified.
There's somebody else called Sven Longshanks who had a podcast.
They sent him to jail for years for racial slurs.
What did he do?
Well I suppose you can't repeat it.
Was it bad?
He was using sort of what I would say was but he was he was using words racial words which kind of belonged in the 1950s or the 1960s.
Oh right.
He wasn't using the hard n-word.
Right.
He wasn't doing that but it was pretty it was pretty rough I would say but they've nevertheless they've sent him to jail for years and nobody this is the thing nobody Nobody actually complained about his podcast.
I mean I really, maybe he had about 15 listeners or something.
So it wasn't like a person of colour heard it and was absolutely offended.
What happened was that the sort of Antifa type groups connected to the government, they heard it and then they took it upon themselves To be offended and then send them to jail.
I mean, somebody pointed it out the other day, it's like a stalking horse, where what's happening is you see the horse, which is sort of like these protecting minorities, but behind it's just the British state.
It's the British state who's coming to arrest you because the British state got offended on behalf of minorities.
Yes.
It's ridiculous.
What they're doing, what they're doing is just neutralising people they hate.
Yes, using frontal organisations like Hate Not Hate, which are very, very clearly government intelligence operations.
They're not.
They're not grassroots or authentic.
Yeah, none of it, none of it.
It's all this kind of gigantic system, this gigantic machine which is there to peddle a narrative and then neutralise other narratives.
And then, you know, you'll see these grinning idiots going up on television telling you, like, you've got to go out and fight for all this bullshit.
It's the very demographic Who they're doing this to, or they're now going to talk about, oh, well, we want you in the military to go off and fight our forever wars.
And, you know, you've got to go off and fight the Russians.
And a lot of these people are thinking, well, my enemies aren't the Russians, it's you!
Do you sense that?
I mean, do you, the people who they're trying to earmark for cannon fodder or grenade, drone fodder, do you get any sense that there is any, they've got any chance of succeeding in recruiting these people?
No, no.
You can see it in the numbers.
The numbers have just plummeted.
In recruitment, you mean?
Yeah, yeah.
And specifically, I actually came across a video on YouTube about this last week.
He was Polish or something.
So he had a bit of a stake in this.
And he was horrified.
And he went back.
And the places where the British Army would recruit from, Well, like Glasgow or Sunderland or Liverpool.
It's kind of a reflection of where in America it's the southern states.
It's boys from Alabama and these kinds of places will join up.
And in Britain, it's kind of reflected where it's working class white men from industrial, post-industrial areas who will form the core of the recruits.
And they've all, they're all checking out.
And when you go to more diverse areas, it's just completely non-existent.
None of them want to fight either.
So you see this sort of larger structural problem that they've created for themselves.
Which is that they've willfully and as a matter of policy alienated the group that they need to express power geopolitically and outside of their world borders.
Which kind of brings me back to what I was saying.
This kind of idiotic short-term thinking.
Which I don't know how else you would say it.
I mean do you think it's part of a larger plan?
Yes I do, but then I'm kind of more, I'm probably more conspiracy minded than you are.
As you may have noticed since our last conversation I've gone quite a long way down the rabbit hole.
I tend to see things in terms of like civilizational arcs and I remember some years ago I ended up doing a big video about this because there was a friend of mine came and she was saying she was talking about was it Gematria?
Gematria or Gematria yeah.
Yeah, and how everything had been mapped out, everything had been planned out.
So it was very much the conspiracy frame.
And in the conspiracy frame, there's nothing really, anything organic happening.
What it is, is that you've got people essentially planning out history, almost like in sort of Isaac Asimov's foundation or something like that, according to a plan.
And what I think is interesting is that my own at that time I was really getting into Spanglish and where it's a cyclical history and history is very much determined.
So you've got these two things which are going sort of running against each other.
And I thought This gave me pause to think, because you don't want to get stuck in your echo chamber.
And what I began to look at, the problem is there's been things which have had massive impacts on how we live.
Which were actually emergent, because I think the conspiracy frame runs into problems when you come into emergent phenomena.
So, for example, the steam engine, George Stevenson's steam engine, and then the train lines that had a massive impact on the way that we lived and the Industrial Revolution.
And what I think's interesting is that I can see that in say in the northeast they needed a more efficient way to transport coal down to London to Manchester and whatnot.
So it stands to reason that there was a demand just to have train lines and the steam engine from that perspective.
So it's purely sort of Following on from the logic of the civilization that you get the Industrial Revolution, and then you need a way to transport coal across the country efficiently, which then leads the invention of the steam engine, which then leads eventually to mass transportation.
And that radically changed our lives.
And I think, well, that's organic, isn't it?
Or would you say that was planned?
You see, I haven't looked into that one.
I'm always open to the possibility that, well, as you've said here, it could have been emergent technology, that nothing nefarious behind it Or it could equally be that this was ancient technology which was sort of re-revealed as it were.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, I would certainly go along with your emergent theory for the moment.
Yeah, because then it's like, yeah, so then you've already kind of, the planners, you've already, sort of the planners have then been pulled back from actually mapping out civilization because there's huge macro shifts which have happened which they didn't plan out.
Yeah, that's got to be inevitable, hasn't it?
There's got to be obstacles in their path.
A small, tiny, tiny elite, whatever you want to call them, predator class, cannot control everything.
So there are always going to be things that come up, maybe including the railways.
So in that case they would have to then react to things which had happened.
And I think No, on the other side of that, you know, the sort of the more deterministic element also runs into some issues as well.
But by and large, that's how I see things.
And we are in the winter of civilization, like all of the signs are there.
And we've had a good run of it, but you see the negotiation on the world stage is now with Western decline against sort of more powerful nations emerging.
And I think the question then is, like, what are we supposed to do in it?
It's pretty grim when you think that.
I think people always want white pills.
People always want to know that there's a better tomorrow.
But what if there just isn't one?
You know, what if it is just, if you think like the Roman Empire took hundreds of years to just gradually dwindle away.
And I think at the end of the day, in our own private lives, you know, even during that time, people still went walking along the coast, people still grew tomatoes.
And fell in love and watched the sun go down with a glass of red wine and that kind of thing.
You can still lead a good life in the collapse of civilization.
It's really what I'm saying.
Yeah, and ruins can be quite picturesque after all.
Yeah, I don't know if our ruins are going to be as good as... No, they're not, are they?
They're really not.
They haven't got anything on sort of collapsing pillars and vistas with stairs and stuff.
The worst, the worst sort of scenario I can imagine is that there would be like giant warehouses where people were inside just sort of hooked up to the metaverse or to some sort of virtual reality kind of, in a sort of catacomptonic, and then outside you've got like farmers with their goats, you know, people going back to the land, the fellaheen.
Have you read that?
Hmm?
Have you read The Road?
Yeah, is it Cormac McCarthy?
Yeah.
I don't want that.
No, I've seen the movie.
No, well, I've seen the movie.
I mean, that's never actually explained how it happens, is it?
No.
That's a sudden collapse.
I mean... Yeah, it's a sort of universal disaster that he's describing, you know, it covers all eventualities.
I mean, I think one of the reasons why, particularly the liberal elites, if you want to call them that, like why they are so insane, is that they're not supposed to civilise.
If you're a progressive, Then civilization is only supposed to progress.
It's like we were saying earlier with the situation where they want to turn everybody gay.
They want to turn everybody into this nondescript sort of homogenized global homo man.
And that for them is progress.
But you can get to a stage where there's obviously no longer progress happening.
And for these people, I mean, even in the sort of conspiracy frame, this kind of messianic Faustian lunatics, even within that, there's a problem that they're running into where eventually progress will just stop.
And because you're past midnight and then it's like you're heading into winter and there's this kind of sense that they'll be sort of kicking and screaming against the arc of history itself and they're going to become increasingly unhinged and totalitarian.
Because their dream, their religion, is slipping away from them.
There's nothing they can do anymore.
I mean, if you look at those, like in America, where they've got all those zombie drug addict people clustering around in the cities, where they shake.
Like, that's obviously not progress.
It was obviously better in the 1980s or the 1960s or the 1950s.
And yet, according to these people, everything's supposed to be getting better.
The promise is gone and it's this negotiation with the fact that things are not going the way according to what the promise was.
I've noticed this particularly with, I mean there are countless examples, but energy I think is quite a good one.
Ten, fifteen years ago, when I was still working in the mainstream media, I used to write articles, and my friend Christopher Booker used to write even more articles explaining that these, what would become net zero policies, were completely unworkable.
that wind turbines and solar just are no good at generating energy on the scale needed.
And they'd never been subject to any kind of cost-benefit analysis.
It was clear that this was a looming disaster.
So here we are 10, 15 years on, and what's happened is that they've just said, we don't care whether it's a disaster, we don't care whether it's good or not for the country, we're going to carry on doing it.
So you're about to get Keir Starmer, who will probably build even more wind turbines, which we can't afford, which kill birds and bats, which don't generate anything except sort of intermittent power.
And everyone, the entire country is going to be immiserated and to be crucified on the cross, which is of a kind of invented religion.
It's pure fantasy, the idea that mankind is warming the planet at a dangerous level and that therefore we need to find alternative power sources.
We don't.
It's just a lie.
The whole thing is a lie.
And people are going to be suffering for this.
And it's a rejection of, it's a rejection of, it's anti-civilisation, it's anti-progress, it's anti-everything.
Yes, and it's weird how, like, the same people seem fine with, like, World War 3.
The exact same people!
Like, how much carbon would, like, the Eastern Front between all of NATO versus Russia and China... Just imagine the carbon footprint of World War 3 on the East... Like, an entire... It's just so clearly bullshit.
I mean all the incentives help and all of the grift and the money and all of that, but it's clearly obviously a load of bollocks and it's not feasible, it's not workable, but they're going on and driving us off a cliff anyway.
It's the same as the farmers.
It's the same as, like, they're incentivising farmers to stop growing food so that they can turn their land into these, like, eco-zones where people can go walk and there'll be these fast-growing trees.
And you think, OK, I get it.
I mean, after a few years, the subsidies to the farmers will stop and the government will take the land.
I get that.
I get where it's all going.
But you just think, just the basic question people ask is, where's the food coming from?
They don't even care that we can see this.
They don't mind anymore.
They've given up pretending that they're looking after our interests.
They don't even bother with the narrative anymore, hardly.
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
It is like that.
And it's this... it's depressing.
Because you know what the worst of it is, as I was saying before about the monarch and stuff?
It's that we have to live with the lie.
It's the same reason people tell me, like, oh, well, you're always slagging the Tory party off, but you're just going to get Labour.
And I'm like, yeah, OK, but Labour are just clearly my enemies who hate me.
The Tory party, I have to live with the lie.
I have to live with this this pretense that they're right wing and that they represent conservative England and they don't.
I have to put up with lefties and shitlips calling them fascists and saying they're mean immigrants when they're obviously not.
So if I'd rather just have like an enemy in then this sort of snake Where I'm kind of vaguely associated with it and where everybody who is sort of traditional minded and patriotic in Britain is walking around permanently pissed off because they've been betrayed.
And I'm thinking if Labour are in, at least I won't be betrayed because I don't expect anything of them anyway.
Then it will be the lefties' turn to get pissed off because they're not being listened to and Keir Starmer's sort of signing on with BlackRock.
All of this stuff.
And the Palestinians are being thrown overboard and all of these lefty causes.
Then it's their problem.
It's not ours anymore.
And that's kind of the way I look at it.
And in the system in general.
I was struck, by the way, earlier on when you were talking about the emergence of a Caesar.
I don't know what Caesar you meant.
Did you mean Caesar Augustus, kind of?
Julius.
You meant Julius.
But as an archetype, it's an age.
It's an age of Caesarism.
Yeah.
Well, I was struck when you said that because, you see, My version of that would be essentially the Antichrist.
In my worldview, the Antichrist would be the equivalent of the Caesar you described, this kind of uniting Kind of seductive yet tyrannical figure who purports to offer all the solutions to people's problems of the chaos and to bring order and to bring light to the world.
And I think So, in a way, our worldviews are sort of compatible.
I wonder whether the decline of the Oswald Spengler was just a kind of more secular version of what Christians would see as to how the world works.
Yeah, possibly.
I mean, in the What gives rise to the Caesar?
It is a little bit less esoteric than that.
But what gives rise to the Caesar is just the corruption of the money power.
And that people are just completely alienated from the ruling class.
And so you will see this man who will cross the Rubicon and turf them all out.
Put things to right.
But it is a unifier.
The interesting thing, of course, is that if they want more forever wars, they can't get it when you've got woke shitlibs in charge.
But you can get a forever war if you get Donald Trump in.
And then all of the white boys in America feel like they've got their guy back in.
And then you may find that they'll be more willing to sign up and they'll have a kind of patriotic fervour.
Which will take us up against China or whatever the hell else they're planning.
But if you've got an alignment like that, it can be done behind such a figure, it can be done more easily.
Right, okay, so we're safe for the next four years, according to your theory, because we're going to get Keir Starmer and nobody is going to unite behind, no one's going to fight and die for Keir Starmer.
No.
No, I think the British state's got a big problem.
Unless, of course, unless they find a way of presenting it to us that you're not really fighting for Keir Starmer, you're actually fighting for King Charles or King William.
I mean, he's another Antichrist candidate, by the way.
I mean, I don't think William's really charismatic enough to go and get drone killed in a trench for, but But they may do a fantastic sort of buffing up and polishing job on him and make him look more attractive.
I don't know.
Or what about conscription?
I mean, what if they just introduced conscription?
Isn't that going to work?
I don't think... Well, I mean, I don't think... People, when I did the article, people were saying, yeah, but look what's happening in Ukraine, because they're dragging people off buses and, you know, at gunpoint and so on the front lines.
I don't think that'll happen in this country.
I don't think they've got that.
The way our system works, it is changing, but they've got... They don't like to use hard power.
We are ruled by wimps, basically.
We are ruled by snakes and rats.
And their way of doing things is nudging, and it's whispering, and it's propaganda, and it's soft power.
They don't like using hard power, though they are...
They are getting more used to it.
They are getting more accustomed to it.
But that's what they would have to resort to, to actually get people fully into it.
And I don't think it would work.
I think everything would collapse.
Because you've now got huge sections of the population, the minorities, who just wouldn't go.
Who would see it as being a white man's war, and they're not interested in it.
Well, what about what we saw in the lockdowns and what about we saw when during the sort of the semi-compulsory so-called vaccine rollout?
I mean, I saw resistance from the, for example, the gyms in Liverpool.
That was good.
Maybe other sort of white working-class inner-city zones resisted.
But generally people rolled over and complied, didn't they?
Yeah, but all he had to do was sit in the house.
I mean, it's a bit different if they know they're heading for, like, the Russian front.
But I will say, though, I mean, one thing they did learn through COVID and the lockdowns Well, a lot about managing and a lot about having a state of exception and bringing in all kinds of extraordinary measures.
And if they went to that degree for a flu or nothing, depending on your perspective, then imagine what it is.
Imagine what kind of powers they'll grant themselves if it really is like an impending war.
An impending third world war.
Well, it'll only be impending if they make it so.
I mean, it's not going to emerge organically, is it?
Putin's not going to do anything to provoke it.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
Basically, you will be going to Ukraine.
That's the way I read this.
You'll be going to back up the Ukrainians because they're losing, I think.
But what they're going to tell us is that Putin's on the verge of rolling through the Baltics and then across Germany and then across Belgium and Holland and France until eventually they're going to be like You know, like Dad's Army, where you've got little arrows.
It's absolutely preposterous, but that's what they're going for.
In reality, I think you'll just be headed for the Ukrainian trenches.
Do you think that they'll succeed in persuading The populace that this is that Putin is a real threat and this is happening I think I think some I think a lot of normies will go along with it But what like one of the one of the things if you look at what happened with the covert thing and we can say they've learned a lot of lessons from that Is that it's the powers that they're going to grant themselves.
So, for example, I now have a YouTube video with 32,000 views called Conscription, which is kind of giving them the middle finger on everything.
And I've said why there are a bunch of kooks.
I call them all names of the sun and so on.
Now, they can...
Eventually they're going to want that removed.
The Ofcom or whoever will say this is disrupting the narrative framework, this is against national security interests, we need to have what everybody has to be on page, and they'll find ways to shut me down.
And it'll not just be me either.
It'll be you as well if you're not careful.
It'll be all of us.
All of us sort of keyboard warriors who pontificate and talk about these things which goes against the grain.
They can justify shutting everybody down.
They did it in Covid.
Yeah.
And it's very convenient they've got that Online Harms Bill through just in time.
The Online Harms Bill is absolutely gobsmacking, isn't it?
Yeah.
It really is.
And you've got... I do hate to put in the dig to my old friend Toby Young, but I'm not sure that the Free Speech Union is really going to protect us where it matters somehow.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, it could be that I'm just not around this time next year.
That'll be it.
I had a good run of it, and who knows?
I mean, what I will be very careful... I mean, this is all speculation.
We don't know how it's going to go.
But if it ends up where the country is in a state of war I'll be very careful and I'll probably do like a standalone blog post to say okay look I disagree with the government I disagree with the war itself but I am not going to be opposing my own country when they're in the I think that that's, I see some people getting way too carried away with sort of shilling for putlar or whatever.
You know, I think people have to be sensible that when your countries, and you saw what happened in Covid, now imagine what it's going to happen when they're actually at war with Russia or something.
Like what they can justify doing is, it'll be unprecedented.
Yeah, yeah.
Well that's something to To cheer me up.
Cheer us all up.
You're right though.
There's a meme on the internet like nothing ever happens.
The nothing ever happens bros where there's a new story drops and then you've got some people are like this is it, this is the big one, it's happening.
And then there's another faction and they're like nothing ever happens.
And usually they are right.
But what I notice is that the things which are not happening are getting more and more serious and scary.
But they're not happening.
What's not happening is getting worse in this weird way.
The competency crisis is there.
That's not happening.
The airplanes are not falling out of the sky because of the DEI hiring practices.
But there's been a couple of near misses.
There's been a couple of close shaves there.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're right.
It's not gonna get...
It's not going to get any better.
It really isn't.
Everybody, I'll tell you what's happening.
Come spring, you've got mackerel season coming in.
Get yourself a spinner rod there.
Get yourself down the coast.
Find yourself a pier.
And you'll be fine.
A couple of dancers there on the end of the lane.
Lovely.
Oh, you can't.
Sorry, the Spanish took them all from it.
You caught us!
oh dear I was about to congratulate you on ending the show on a kind of optimistic note because I mean mackerel they're a piece of piss to catch aren't they With, with spinners and stuff.
Yeah.
And they're nice when they're fresh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's lovely.
Good for you as well.
Oh yeah.
Unlike, I, I, I'm not a fan of Pollock.
I have to say, I think that the idea to the way they're trying to rebrand it as a sustainable fish and it's just, it was always a shit fish.
Yeah we used to these people used to say that about mackerel as well it was people used to use mackerel as bait but now it's uh it's it's kind of come into it so to be fair it is lovely you get you get so much of it as well you go you go to Blythe Pier up up here you go to Blythe Pier or down at Tynemouth and there are people there with milk bottle tops milk bottle tops and five or six hooks on and they're filling buckets of them in high summer Down at Whitley Pier.
I'd like to see that.
I'd like to see that.
Apparently, there was a letter I saw, I'm ashamed to say, in the Telegraph, saying that somebody claimed once they'd been served sand eels to eat, like whitebait.
Have you ever heard of this?
No.
No, I haven't actually.
I didn't know you could eat sand eels.
But now they're being... I mean, this is a tiny other example of just how awful things are.
They're now using sand eels Have you heard about this as biofuels?
They're burning sand eels!
No, I hadn't.
Yeah, it's sad because we wrapped it up on like a nice kind of cozy vibe.
Yeah, I hadn't heard of that.
I was going to go on, but I hadn't.
I don't understand what even is in insects, but we'll leave that.
We'll leave that for another day.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Morgoth, it's been really good, if slightly depressing, talking to you.
Tell people where they can find your stuff.
At Morgoth's Review on YouTube and on Substack for more black pills.
I'll tell you something else.
The audience, they love Black Pills.
You know that scene with Jack Nicholson and that few good men?
You love the Black Pills.
You need the Black Pills.
I do optimistic content and nobody watches it.
That's probably true.
That's probably true.
And you are, to repeat, you are a very good cultural analyst.
In fact, I saw one of your phrases only today being used as a put-down to somebody else.
Somebody else had tried to introduce this topic on my channel, trying to get people to sort of reveal themselves as being homophobes while discussing films.
And he was asking questions designed to trap people into kind of revealing their position, and another person on the chat just used your hatchling Yeah, Hatchling, yeah, it's, yeah, caught on, got one, like, six minute video.
I just sat down, I did a run for six minutes and it became this, like, whole thing.
I, yeah, I do recommend anyone who hasn't seen your Hatchling, where can they find your Hatchling thing?
It's on YouTube, Morgoth's Review YouTube channel.
Okay.
You have to go scroll back a few years, like, Yeah, but if you did a Google search, Morgoth hatchling, it's a very good description of a phenomenon which is often used in debate, particularly by leftists, isn't it?
Yeah, they're sort of tactical ignorance.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's it.
Yeah.
Hatchling.
Morgoth, thank you very much.
I've really enjoyed talking to you.
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Morgoth, thank you very much again.
Enjoy the rest of your... Go and catch some mackerel, maybe.
I will.
See you later, folks.
Okay, bye.
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