Monica Smit is Australia's first political prisoner. In 2021, she was arrested and spent 22 days in solitary confinement for 'crimes' including encouraging people to protest against Victoria state premier Dan Andrews's draconian lockdown/vaccine policies and refusing to take a PCR test. She is the founder of activist group Reignite Democracy Australia. For more details about her tour, her new book ‘Cell 22’, her merchandise and her campaigns go to her website http://www.MonicaSmit.com
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Anyway, Monica Smith, you're on a cruise.
Is it a secret cruise?
No, no!
It's just, I've been on the road for 120 days, you know, living quite a nomadic, fast-paced life, and I really needed a break.
And I've got my book coming out while I'm on the cruise as well, and I thought, well, if I get lots of hate and trolls and things like that, how bad can it be when you're on a cruise, you know?
So that was my rationale behind it.
Yeah, exactly.
And you've also got, as we discussed before we started recording, the gambling.
I like chucking money at a roulette table when you're out at sea and you're allowed to do so.
Because it's tax-free?
Yeah, well, I was thinking... I don't know, something to do with maritime law, I don't know.
I like playing poker, but no one here plays poker.
And even if you do, it's a computer poker, which I want to feel it in my hands, kind of like if I was to buy gold, I would want the physical gold.
I like to feel the cards in my hands, you know, and they don't have that here.
So there's no gambling for me.
Yeah.
No, I know what you mean.
It's, um, yeah, having the metal.
Well, yeah.
Um, but of course when the hordes, when the hordes start rampaging our lands as they're going to, and they start torturing you to divulge the whereabouts of your gold, um, you know, that's the only thing, that's the only detail I worry about.
Well, it's better to have it and to have that proposition than to not have it.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, these are all horrible things that cross my mind.
I mean, you know how bad things are, Monica, because you've experienced the sharp end.
Just briefly, Tell us your story, why I'm talking to you, because I mean it's pretty horrific what happened.
It's almost unbelievable that it could have happened in a country which we and the rest of the world were encouraged by movies like Crocodile Dundee to imagine was the land of no worries, mate.
It is, it was, which is part of the reason I think it happened the way that it did actually.
But yeah, I'll give you a snapshot of my story.
In August 2020, I started an organisation called Reignite Democracy Australia.
August 2020, I think, was really when people started to figure out that it wasn't two weeks to flatten the curve.
People weren't dropping dead in the streets.
Data started coming out.
I think everyone wouldn't have minded maybe two months of what happened, but once it started to continue and it started not making sense either, that's when people sort of started waking up.
So I think I started an organisation at just pretty much the right time.
And, um, I just did an online protest because I was still, uh, respective of, uh, authority and police and rules.
So I didn't want to get anyone into trouble, you know?
So I did this online protest and it just went bonkers.
And I had no idea what I was doing.
I don't know how to design websites.
I slapped a website together somehow.
And it just like, it just went, it just went bonkers, you know?
And, uh, before I, within about a month I had, you know, 50,000 email subscribers and massive Facebook.
And I was like, Oh my gosh, what is happening?
And then, um, this guy who runs a bus company had an old bus that he had decommissioned, but he, he signed it up and he was mocking Daniel Andrews, our premier.
Um, and it basically like had a picture of Daniel Andrews going like this, you know?
So, and it had like Sack Dan Andrews, like, which means fire Daniel Andrews.
And I, and it was full lockdown at that time.
And I was a journalist, um, which I was acting as, as a journalist.
You don't need an accreditation to call yourself a street journalist, actually.
In Australia anyway.
And so I happened to use this taxi, this bus, as my taxi driver to jobs.
And anyway, so we started driving around Melbourne and the police started harassing us at every corner.
We got pulled over like seven times in one day just because we were driving this bus.
And that's when I started getting the attention of mainstream media and then I had the Reignite Democracy Australia organisation.
And that's really, that was it.
And but with with exposure in the space of going against the government mainstream narrative also comes the risk of powerful enemies.
Obviously, that comes to the territory.
So about a year later, I think so.
I was actually playing the game a little bit to begin with.
I was I would I would promote a protest and I would put I am going to report on this protest.
You know, obviously, I was just promoting it.
Right.
But I was playing the game so that I didn't get arrested because other people in this space were getting arrested for incitement, which was, you know, encouraging people to attend protests, encouraging them to not wear a mask or whatever.
Anyway, I played the game for about eight months or so, and I just got sick of playing the game.
And then I started promoting protests and saying, I'm going, you should go too and stand up for your human rights.
And about a week after that, I got arrested.
For incitement.
So just so that your audience understands, incitement is supposed to be, for example, if I encourage you to do an armed robbery and you do it because I coerced you into it, I'm also culpable of that crime.
But in this scenario, they also found a loophole in the criminal system because I was encouraging people to break COVID restrictions.
That's very true.
I was, but breaking COVID restrictions is only a fine.
It's not a criminal offense, but yet inciting people to break that COVID restriction became a criminal offence.
It's like if I tell you to park it in no parking zone, you get a ticket and I get criminally charged.
That's how frivolous it really is.
So, but this was a tactic that they were using to silence people who had a voice.
Um, what they would do is they would give you bail conditions that, uh, disabled you from being able to speak online.
Now I was just in the right position at that time.
I have no young children.
I have a very supportive family, network, community, et cetera.
I was in the position to say no to the bail conditions and try to set a precedent so they can't use this loophole to silence people.
So, um, the two worst bail conditions, there was like 15 bail conditions.
The original ones, they even wanted to shut down my bank account and all sorts of stuff.
But the, the ones that were in front of the magistrate at the time that I'll just tell you two of them is I had a big website at the time.
It was getting 50 to a hundred thousand views a week.
I'm telling you that because obviously it was a service that people wanted or else they wouldn't have been looking all the time.
100,000 email subscribers, things like that.
So it was obviously important at that time.
They wanted me to take everything off the website within 24 hours of signing the bail conditions that was in opposition to the COVID restrictions.
Not encouraging people to break COVID restrictions, that would make sense according to the charge, but anything that was literally just in opposition to the restrictions themselves.
The whole website was in opposition to the restrictions.
Plus I was the vice president of a political party at the time in opposition to the current government.
How could I possibly do my job if I wasn't allowed to speak?
So anyway, they wanted me to delete that.
Then they wanted me to not speak against the COVID restrictions, even in the comfort of my own home, for example.
So I didn't sign the bail conditions.
I went to prison for 22 days in solitary confinement because I wouldn't take a PCR test.
And we appealed those bail conditions and won.
And so the next person like me, they tried to silence in that way.
They were only able to give my amended bail conditions to them.
And I just want to reiterate, I've finished my spiel now, but I just want to just reiterate something that's really important is that there are a lot of people that would have done what I did.
Um, but they weren't given the opportunity to, or they didn't have the lifestyle situation.
Like if you've got children, if you've got a different sort of lifestyle, you're not called to do, for example, what I did.
I was just the right person at the right time, so I just wanted to say I'm not more courageous than anyone else.
I was just there, and I said yes to the calling, but we all can be courageous in our own way, and I'm the lucky one in some ways, because I get the public gratification for my sacrifice, whereas a lot of people at home, they are putting flyers and letterbox drops every day, and no one's telling them, well done, you know?
So I kind of am blessed that I got to do that, so I just wanted to say that.
Before you get too modest.
Oh dear.
Sorry, my son's just brought me some tea.
That's very kind.
Yeah, I'm English.
I need tea, Monica.
Do Australians drink tea?
Not like you guys.
No, we drink coffee.
We drink a lot of coffee.
Actually, you've reminded me.
The coffee is one of the best things about going to Australia, isn't it?
Yes, I keep telling people that and they don't believe me.
No.
It's true!
Even if you go to a kind of shitty street stall and ask for a flat white, the quality is better than you'd get in most sort of... A lot of places.
...beegy coffee places.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I've been telling people that.
They don't believe me.
I mean, there are still some things worthwhile about Australia, but the list is diminishing all the time.
I'm just trying to find a surface.
I'm using the ironing board, which is never popular with the wife.
Do you upload this whole thing up there?
Do I what, sorry?
Do you upload the whole video when it's finished?
Or do you edit it?
I use this thing called Riverside, or sometimes StreamYard, and it does the kind of... I then send it off to my people, my little helper.
Oh, OK.
I was going to say, it's nice that it's casual, but OK.
Oh, Monica, all I can do is the talking bit, but barely that.
Anything else?
This podcast would never happen without my team.
I've got a really, really good team.
That's awesome.
Well, you should focus on what you've got.
That's what we should all do.
Well, yeah.
I wanted to ask you, though.
So, I remember March 2020, I mean as recently as that, I looked at all those videos coming out of China and I was addicted to kind of these chat rooms and things talking about this coming pandemic and there was a period where I believed it all.
I mean I turned fairly quickly but But my radicalization has taken place in a period of about three years and it sounds like you're the same.
You were just like an ordinary person who kind of believed in the authorities and kind of trusted they'd do the right thing more or less and you sort of had faith in the system and you must have been kind of mugged by reality.
Is that fair?
I have faith in humanity, so I thought that government officials, police, whatever, they're all humans and they probably have a similar compassion level as me and, you know, they want to help people.
That was probably my awakening to realise that humanity isn't all the same.
In saying that, though, and that evil exists, of course, but my family has always been, I guess you could say, alternative in medicine and things like that.
We're Catholics, but we're Latin mass Catholics, which is like the radicalized version of Catholicism.
So we're kind of used to being, I guess you could say out of the box already.
And my mom didn't vaccinate any of us, which is, was her choice at the time.
So she was obviously already thinking differently than the average Joe, like 40 years ago, you know?
So, um, I'm believing in God as well.
Uh, whether you believe in God or not, it doesn't matter, but it kind of, it puts humans in a different category.
You're not going to look at government as your savior.
Because you've got a savior, you know, and I think that, so I was never really, like, I never praised the government, but I did think that they were humans and that they are human.
I did think that they were people like me and my family and they're not.
That was, that was hard.
That was really hard to see.
Yeah.
Well, technically.
You know, shooting the police are like us.
They're on the same level of citizenship, you know, and they did shoot rubber bullets at us at close proximity.
And it was that moment, it was that evening, that it dawned on me, it hit me like a ton of bricks, that if they were given orders to round me and my family up for the health of the elderly people, they would do it.
They would do it.
Yeah.
And that was scary.
I was, I was watching what was happening in, in Victoria particularly.
I mean, it was, of all the Australian... It was Victoria.
It was.
It was the worst, wasn't it?
I mean, I think... You can't even compare the other states.
Well, Northern Territories was... It was its own country.
Yeah.
Why do you think that was, by the way?
Why do you think, why was Victoria the worst?
Look, I can only stipulate here, but I would say that it is, Daniel Andrews has a very close relationship with China.
So he has been there almost 45 times in, I think, six years or eight years as being the Premier.
Quite normal.
And he actually wanted to sign the Belt and Road Initiative for Victoria, as if Victoria was its own country.
He can't do that.
That's international, foreign.
You can't sign up a deal like that for a state of Australia.
It's against all of our constitutions and things.
But he was in conversations with With the Communist Party of China to do that.
So I think maybe that has something to do with it.
That's all I can stipulate, I guess.
Yeah, but it's not... Okay, so I've been to Melbourne.
And I know it is full of, I was about to say Liberals, but of course Liberals are Australian Conservatives, but it is quite kind of lefty.
I had a terrible experience on a radio show of somebody called John Fain.
He's from Melbourne, isn't he?
On the ABC.
Just absolutely nauseating character.
And I'm just wondering whether perhaps Victoria was the most pinko state in Australia.
Oh, you're cutting out a lot.
Can you still hear me OK?
Yeah.
Did you miss all that?
No, no, no.
I got it.
I'll just answer it now.
Yeah, so we are quite a left-leaning state, I guess you could say.
There's a lot of artsy things and there's a lot of hippie areas.
I'm not sure.
I guess the population is quite city-dense as well, which, you know, usually that is like the lefty arenas, I guess.
Was it worse because of that?
No, I really think it came from Daniel Andrews.
I really do.
Because yes, we might have a lot of lefties, but we also had a huge pushback because of how far we were pushed.
That's human nature.
The more you get pushed, the more people are going to wake up.
So I would say, and I've travelled Europe now quite extensively, especially within the freedom movement, and I can say that Victoria probably has the strongest Biggest freedom movement per capita of anywhere in the world.
Why?
Because we were pushed the most.
And I think that's indicative of human nature.
And so that if you feel like your local area is all asleep, blah, blah, blah, it's probably because it just wasn't that painful.
The more pain, the more people wake up.
Let me give you an example.
There was one bill.
It was in December, 2021.
It was called the pandemic bill.
Now, we had a protest just to protest against that bill.
We had people sleeping at Parliament for two weeks.
It was like quite extreme.
It should go down in the history books, but the protest was just against this bill.
So it wasn't a spread out message.
It was very specific.
There was 600,000 people at that protest.
Now, Victoria's entire population is six million and it's a big state.
It's the size of probably England almost, right?
And that 6 million population includes babies and elderly and disabled and blah blah blah.
So the fact that 10% of the entire population was on the street for one bill shows that that probably represented 50% of the people really.
And the funniest thing is, not funny, but the bill went through the next week.
So I think the ways that democracy used to work doesn't work anymore and I think Protesting is really important to bring people together, but I think our expectations should be low.
It doesn't change legislation, unfortunately.
That's amazing.
So how many...
What percentage would you say, because you Australians particularly, I mean actually Canada and New Zealand was the same, you were put under particularly strong pressure to get these vaccines, well these jabs, to the point where it was almost impossible to work at one point wasn't it?
Without these death jabs.
Oh it was, I mean it was even, it was so ridiculous that even children couldn't be in the basketball team if their parents weren't vaccinated.
Like it was It was so insane.
It was so insane.
And we still have mandates, by the way.
So a company can choose to mandate the fifth jab if they want to.
Yeah.
Doesn't matter what industry it is.
What percentage would you say were able to resist?
Look, it's impossible to say because I think the numbers are lying.
They said 95% of people took it.
And if that's true, I've met pretty much every single person in the 5%, which doesn't make sense.
Um, I'm pretty sure they wanted that crowd mentality, you know, where they wanted people to think, well, everyone else is getting it.
So I will say a lot of people rejected it.
A lot of people took it and woke up after, but also a lot of people took it who didn't want to take it.
And that was one of our biggest mistakes is somehow the movement did not, was not able to portray to these people that it's, if you just hold the line for two months, It'll all end.
And it was true.
The mandates mostly ended after about six months.
So all you needed to do was hold the line for a bit longer.
And if more of them have held the line, then we probably wouldn't have had mandates.
They probably wouldn't have been successful.
So we failed in that case.
Cause if, if, if everyone had said no, that didn't want it, there was a lot of people.
I mean, I know stories of people who went to the lineup and they were crying.
While the nurse was injecting them.
I mean, the nurse should not do that.
That's not informed consent.
That's coercion.
And they still would jab them.
So, yeah.
Oh, that's awful.
That makes me really sad.
Could you imagine?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's heartbreaking.
And some of these people, of course, will subsequently have died or suffered so-called life-changing injuries.
And even that, what about on your integrity, your morals?
You can't buy that back.
A lot of fathers, especially, they would say, and I have sympathy for these people, but I have to take the jab to feed my family.
But then they've lost respect for themselves.
So they're never the same person again, or it's going to be a lot harder, or they had an adverse reaction and now they can't feed their family anyway.
So I understand the predicament that they were in, but I'm sorry, but you can't, I don't think you can justify making a bad decision for a good reason.
Like you're always going to be better off long-term respecting your integrity and moral compass.
And I think a lot of people learned that.
And I, I feel really sorry for those people that took it because they felt like they had to, and now they feel like probably stupid, which is, I said, I feel bad for them.
Yeah.
What were the ways that.
People used to get round taking these jabs.
I mean, how easy was it to get fake passes, for example, fake certificates and things like that?
Well, I actually got a blood test done and I had COVID antibodies in my system.
I was never even sick.
So I got a six month exemption.
Now, I didn't use it to go to cafes and things because that's playing the game, you know what I mean?
But I did use it to go to the gym.
Because I thought that's health and well-being, that's fine.
And I just wanted to have it just in case.
But otherwise, you could get... Of course there was a black market for this stuff.
You can get the fake ones on the phones.
You also had doctors that were pretending to jab you and putting it in the sink.
There was lots of that stuff going on.
And good on them, you know?
Good on them, yeah.
Totally.
Like, that's not a rule that you have to... There's a saying, I don't know if you've ever heard of Topher Field.
He made that documentary, Battleground.
I've heard it on the podcast.
I love Topher.
Oh, okay.
So, good people break bad laws, you know?
He made a speech recently that was just really fantastic, and he said the highest respect that you can show for the law is actually to break bad laws, and I thought that was really powerful.
I'm really encouraged, I mean I'm appalled by some of the bad stuff you've told me, but I'm really encouraged that That the resistance movement is so strong in Victoria because I'd been slightly, as I say, I'd watched this stuff from afar and thought, Australia, you know, I've seen Gallipoli.
How fast are your legs?
How fast are you going to run?
What are your legs?
Steel springs.
How fast are you going to run?
As fast as a leopard.
And how fast are you going to run?
As fast as a leopard.
So I've seen that bit with the Vangelis music in the background.
And I've seen Crocodile Dundee.
And I've seen the odd angry shot about the Australian SAS in Vietnam.
And loads of... I grew up watching Skippy the Bush Kangaroo.
Yeah.
What's he saying there, Skip?
You probably watched it more than we did, yeah.
I did.
And there was a series called Boney.
Did you ever see that?
Boney about an Aboriginal... That sounds bad.
It was about an Aboriginal detective, I think he was.
Oh, well, there you go.
Yeah, yeah.
Anyway, so there was this sort of image that was sold to the world of Australia as the lucky country, happy-go-lucky, you know, put another shrimp on the barbie, Don't forget the air guard, all this kind of thing.
And you're surrounded by the most dangerous animals on earth.
You've got the 10 deadliest snakes in the world, all in Australia.
You've got the sharks, you've got the box jellyfish, you've got the salties and stuff.
And we have this image of you as these kind of, you know, you've got corks on your hats and You don't take any nonsense.
But actually, what I saw happening in that, it was like, what happened to Australia in that period?
So, the whole no nonsense thing, it kind of goes both ways.
Yeah, we take a lot before we get angry.
We honestly do.
We are very easygoing people, which is our strength, was one of our strengths, something that I loved about Australia.
Also, We've got a lot of immigrants who like from Holland and Greece and Italy and stuff that came to Australia for a better life.
And they've had it.
We've had a fantastic life.
I'm first generation Australian.
I'm the only sibling born in Australia.
I've never seen war or conflict or anything.
And my dad hasn't either.
He came here to escape that conflict.
So the last generation and a half has pretty much had the perfect life.
And while they were busy having families and living this perfect life, Politics were going askew and no one was doing anything about it because the liberals in Australia, which is conservatives, we are very family focused.
And if we don't have to, we don't want to protest.
We don't want to do all this stuff because we just want to live our lives, right?
So while they were doing that, this stuff was happening.
And so over the last, I would say 40 years, and all of this is an opinion, of course, but you know, in school and stuff like that, I was never encouraged to be patriotic.
Or like, put my flag up or, you know, it was just never a thing.
No one ever talked about being, like, proud to be Australian.
And probably it's in the countryside a lot, but in the suburbia, it just wasn't.
And I think over the last 50 years or so, it's been kind of bred out of us and we've just had it too good that we've become very weak.
And the men in Australia are very weak too.
And that's obviously a cultural thing that's happening all around the world through Marxism and leftism.
But if you go out into the countryside, maybe you've got some fair dinkum blokes out there.
But in suburbia, I tell you what, you're hard pressed just to find a guy who's not wearing tight jeans.
Monica, you make a good point there.
So many Australian men are either gay or gay acting.
It's extraordinary.
Yeah, yeah.
It's not great.
I mean, the freedom movement has some pretty, you know, manly men in there, but they are definitely far and few between.
And so we are so, like I said, we're so easygoing and that's what people love about us.
And that's why I think we took the crap from the government for a while, but then it got to a point where it was too much and anyone that wasn't in that weak thing came out.
Into the woodworks.
And so we got to see all of the strong men, I think, and women in that time.
Yes, we were definitely trodden on, but the freedom movement now is like, there's so many events, there's so many groups, everyone has a support network now.
Good luck.
I hope he tries to lock us down again.
I can't wait to see.
What we would do, because we wouldn't take it.
Because we've learnt our lesson.
We used to run around like crazy, didn't we?
Well, like I did as an activist, trying to fight every battle, trying to do this, and we didn't really have organisation or anything like that.
But now we're so organised and networked and calm, and we're just not scared anymore.
So I just can't wait.
I just can't wait to see how Melbourne responds if something else happens.
That's really interesting.
You mentioned that you're a first-generation immigrant.
Where is Smit from?
My dad's Dutch.
My mom's Canadian.
My dad moved here when he was 12 with his family, but then they had forced conscription for the Vietnam War, so then they fled to Canada.
They actually fled twice to get away from conflict, but then my parents Had four children in Canada and moved back to Australia and had me.
I think they did the right thing by avoiding fighting in the Vietnam War, which was completely pointless and started by America for disaster capitalism reasons.
Yeah, not the first time, not the last time.
No, absolutely.
Like what are we even fighting for?
I don't even know, but that's another story.
I want to hear Although it's going to pain me, the gory details about when they came to you, when they arrested you and what it was like in solitary.
So tell me, tell me that, tell me how it happened.
Sure.
Well, I had put online that I was going to do an interview at a doctor's house, Dr Ian Brighthope.
And I think they figured out where he lived and they waited for me to finish the interview.
And then they, they picked me up.
And it was funny because I said to the doctor, because like people were getting arrested like me.
In that time, you know, or even a bit before.
So it wasn't out of my range of possibility.
And I made a joke to him and I was like, make sure you keep doing interviews if I get arrested.
Okay.
And then I literally walked out and got arrested.
I also had a dream three days beforehand of exactly what happened happening, not the same colors and imagery, but I was kind of prepared for it mentally.
It was so vivid that dream that I told my boyfriend at the time, like, you know, if I get arrested and get given bad bail conditions, I'm not going to sign them.
And he's like, so you'll go to prison.
And I was like, if I have to, and then three days later I was there.
So it was kind of, I think God prepared me for it.
So that's why I wasn't really scared.
I was shocked.
I was annoyed.
I remember I was in the car and I got pulled over and I didn't see that there was three cars.
I only saw one car and I turned on my live stream because at that time you couldn't trust police anymore.
So you just always turned on your live stream.
And I thought they were pulling me over because I was out of my five kilometre zone.
But I was obviously being a journalist.
I was allowed to be.
So I thought it would just be a conversation and I'd be on my way.
And then, you know, he said, you're under arrest for incitement.
And in the video, I just went.
Like, I wasn't like, I was just like, oh, here we go, you know?
And so they just took me behind the bush to do a strip search, you know, search whatever.
And then I looked and there was three undercover, like black, you know, SUV, like four wheel drive big cars, you know, and all the police were plain dressed, you know, so the serious ones, you know, and then they, they took me to remand.
I did an interview.
Everything was no comment, of course.
It was like 12 hours of just sitting in a room doing nothing, having nothing to do.
And obviously, and then they wouldn't give me bail, of course.
And so, yeah, I went to prison and, and, you know, in the, in the, in the van, the transport van.
Well, actually, no, I'll back up.
The night before the bail hearing, there was another woman in the cell next to me and she was screaming as if she was like going to die because she would have just come off the streets like me kind of thing.
And I swear it was the devil.
He was like telling me that you can't do this.
Who do you think you are?
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I was like having this like argument with this crazy woman in this other cell.
Anyway.
So then the next day we had the bail hearing and I said, I won't sign those bail conditions.
And my lawyer is like, do you know what you're doing?
Like you're going to go to prison.
I'm like, yeah, I know.
And he's like, all right, fine.
Whatever.
Anyway.
So I get into the, onto the transport truck and they say to me, Oh, have you been in one of these before?
And I'm like, Does it look like I've been in one of these before?
I'm a political prisoner.
I'm not a criminal.
And that became my, um, sort of sentence that I would say to everyone.
So in, in prison, look, the most, the most horrific thing about prison was the, the strip search at the prison when you had to open things up.
Um, that's kind of like a virtual rape, really.
It's pretty gross.
Yeah.
And it's, look, I understand why they have to do it.
Like, I get it.
It's protocol, but like, I'm not a criminal and, um, So that was pretty hard.
And then in solitary confinement, to be honest, it was pretty comfortable.
I mean, obviously the toilet's right there.
Everything's in the same room.
It's about three meters by three and a half meters.
So it's small, but like I've stayed in worse hostels in my life.
It was fine.
But they call you by your cell number, not your name, which is kind of dehumanizing.
And I didn't have a TV or anything for like 12 days and I was writing my book on the back of colouring in pens.
It was basic, but the people were pretty nice in there.
They tried to convince me to sign the bail conditions for the first three days, I think, and I just kept saying no.
There was a fan in there because she was like, I saw you getting arrested and I can't believe you're here, blah blah blah.
Probably the hardest thing about prison.
Firstly, I'm glad I was in isolation because I think that's a lot easier than being in the open prison with the other prisoners because I really wouldn't have fit in there.
It would have been really hard for me, I think.
It would have been interesting, a good story, but I don't think I needed to experience that.
But the hardest thing was the other women.
So you couldn't see them, but you could hear them.
And so the ward that I was in was the ward where people have just been caught doing something.
So they're still on influence, they're still influenced by something, or they're angry at themselves for getting caught again.
Every single woman I heard, and I probably heard about 15 or 20 of them, they'd all been in prison before.
Which means that the system is obviously broken, because to keep a prison going, you need prisoners, right?
So why would they want to rehabilitate them?
But anyway, so it was really hard to hear the struggles of these other women.
Young girls, 21, 22, you know?
That was actually the hardest thing for me, is the other women.
But otherwise, I was pretty much fine.
Why were you in solitary?
Because I wouldn't take a PCR test.
Yeah.
And originally it was supposed to be 14 days isolation because I didn't take a PCR test.
And so I was kind of excited to get out into the open, go to the gym, blah, blah, blah.
I'd been like pacing back and forth all day.
It's like super dizziness.
And on about day 10, the process changed to 19 days instead of 14.
I was like, oh, okay, that's convenient.
And then after 19 days, instead of letting me out into the open prison, they put me in another isolation ward because they knew that my court case was in three days and I reckon they just didn't want to deal with like putting me through the process of going to the open prison just to get out.
But I don't think they're supposed to do that.
I didn't go outside for 22 days.
I did not feel the wind on my face for 22 days.
I don't think they're allowed to do that.
We'll find out.
Redress against these people.
Can you sue them for what happened?
Yeah, yeah.
So, I'm definitely doing something.
There was COVID fines attached to the same charge that I only finished before I started travelling.
So, I was really not able to start my proceedings until now anyway.
So, we are working on the statement of claim and I obviously can't say exactly what it is because There's so many different avenues that you can do legal things.
I don't know if you've realised it's not really about being right or wrong.
It's about who you go after and how well you can present yourself.
It's really a sham.
I hate it.
But we are going to make a big noise about this and we're going after someone near the top.
Not the police who arrested me.
I mean, I bet you they don't feel good about it.
I don't think so.
I hope not.
It's not really them that we want to make an example of.
But you know what they do to us, right, James?
It's processed by punishment, right?
So I'm going to do that back to them.
Oh, hey, I totally salute you for doing that, Monica.
I don't think I'm going to win.
I don't care.
It's not about that.
No, well, I was going to ask you that.
I mean, my feeling is that everything is so broken.
I mean, broken beyond redemption, beyond repair.
And that would certainly apply to the justice system.
I mean, I've come to realise that the lawyers, the courts, are as corrupt as any institution.
Yeah, I will say one thing.
I always have hope and it's either my biggest weapon or my biggest weakness.
I don't know.
But I believe that there is a judge out there who is waiting for the right case to come past their desk.
They're ready for retirement, you know, they want to make their grandkids proud.
They want to go down in history books for the right reasons.
They've watched their industry get completely, this industry that they've given their entire lives to, like you probably felt when you figured out that the mainstream media was so corrupt, you know, and they're dying inside and they're waiting for the right case.
And maybe my case is the one they're waiting for.
Maybe it's not, maybe it's a different one, but I know there's a good judge out there, but it's not going to happen at the bottom.
It has to happen near the top.
Because the ones at the bottom, they want to keep their career and they actually get paid by the state government, whereas the federal judges, they get paid by the federal government.
They can go against the government.
But the ones at the bottom, they're never going to go against the government.
They literally pay their electricity bills.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's stitched up.
I was thinking then what you were saying then.
I think you and I are on the same page.
My journey in the last three years has been, well, I mean, once my eyes were opened to how the world really is, people started warning me, people who love me saying, you know, you realize you're exposing yourself to great risk here, you know, they'll come after you and they'll destroy you and they might even kill you.
But, When you're aware of just how evil the world is, or how evil the people who run the world are, you kind of don't give a shit about that, about yourself anymore, because you just want to beat the bastards.
You want to put them in their place.
Is that how you feel?
Well, there is something, I think people like us might be chosen for a specific reason, is that I think we kind of find it interesting.
It's not boring.
And even when I first got into jail, I was like, huh, well, my book just got better, didn't it?
I laugh at these stories because I love to tell stories later.
And I think we kind of see it as a challenge, maybe.
And maybe we're the type of people who like challenges because we recognize that it makes us stronger people.
Every adversity ends up making you a better person, right?
So instead of being upset when you get a challenge, you're like, Oh, great.
What am I going to learn from this?
Right?
And so I think when, when you woke up, you were probably like, wow, this is going to be hard, but it's going to be worth it.
And also the feeling you get when you're in pain, but you've done the right thing.
That feeling is kind of like a drug.
You know, it's really overwhelming.
That feeling.
But also, Monica, we're both Christians and it's like... It helps.
Well, we can see that this is a spiritual war.
That what is being played out in the Materium is merely a sort of low-level manifestation of the great battle that's happening on the supernatural level.
And who'd want to fight for Team Evil when you know the consequences?
If you believe in heaven, then you believe that this is merely a journey to get to heaven or hell.
So you kind of want to be in heaven and you realize that life is actually really hard.
Like, I actually don't mind if I go early to heaven.
I mean, I've got no kids, you know?
So, you know, I think when you're not afraid of death, it takes away a lot of the fear.
And I don't know, I think there's a certain point as well, where you feel like actually God is like counting on you for something.
And when you start to feel that burden, I would call it a burden.
It's a joy, but it's a burden.
You can't really walk away because you'll never be satisfied.
So it is what it is.
I feel that.
I feel very much like I've been given this mission from God and I've got to do whatever.
I've got no choice in the matter, really.
Unless you want to be unhappy.
Good point.
But also, this has got to be a sort of tempering process for the soul, that these tests take us to the next level.
I think this world is a testing ground, and not everyone passes the test.
I kind of want to be one of those who does.
But everyone actually has a mission.
It's just that some people pretend.
To want to follow that mission, but they actually don't.
They get the signs and they ignore them.
And other people look for it really hard and find it.
And you'll notice that those people, they probably experience the biggest adversities, but they're also very fulfilled because, in fact, the struggle towards a goal is actually all a man needs to be happy, apparently.
A man meaning a human.
Like, you don't actually have to get to the goal necessarily.
It's that journey of striving for something that keeps you alive, you know what I mean?
So, I think if you've got some sort of mission in mind, that's better than nothing.
Have you always been this way, by the way?
Or were you more kind of lukewarm in your childhood?
Oh no, I have not been this way.
No.
No.
That's kind of what my book is about.
It's like you don't just wake up one day and decide to be a strong activist against the government.
It's a long process to get there.
Yeah, it's a long process.
So from about 18 to 25, I was a complete lost soul.
Partying, drugs, the whole lot.
Not like shooting up and stuff.
But drugs, you know, lots of marijuana and lots of drinking.
No, no, we didn't even do pills in Australia.
No, just weed actually.
Yeah, so it's not that bad, you know, but a lot of other things happened in my childhood, abuse and things like that, and it really messed me up for a long, long time.
And I came back to church when I was about 26, and it was kind of like a three-year period of one foot in both camps, I guess.
From about 28 onwards, I'm 35 now, I've been, you know, a devout practicing Catholic and, you know, my life can be sometimes a bit dull or a little bit lonely being, you know, a devout Catholic, but being unmarried, I mean.
But overall, I'm a much happier person than I was back then, that's for sure.
Why is it lonely being a devout Catholic?
Well, don't you know the rules?
Oh, I see what you mean.
Yeah.
Well, I guess there's that.
But you've got... Yeah, there's that.
Oh, I've got lots of people around me.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Just the dating scene is a lot harder.
I actually know, Monica.
I do see your point there.
So you haven't got a... You're not married?
No, I was engaged up until about a year ago.
And since then, no.
One of the reasons I started travelling was because, well, one, things opened up, and so I was like, now's the time.
But also, from a personal perspective, I completely lost myself in the freedom movement.
I forgot who I was before that.
I don't regret it, but I probably could have done it a bit better in balancing things and broke up with my fiance.
So I was supposed to be married with kids right now or a kid in the belly or something.
So I was like, OK, well, I better go do the things that people with kids can't do.
So here I am on a cruise ship in the in the Mediterranean.
I have to say there's going to be a lot of a lot of Dellingpod viewers and listeners, you know, possibly of a traditional Catholic mass persuasion.
He'll be queuing up, queuing up to marry you.
Oh, well, I have a bit of a handful if you can't tell, so it's a bit of a risk versus No, I think you're selling yourself short now.
I think you're going to have no problem.
I'd like to consider this to be the kind of the matchmaking podcast that's going to make it all right for you.
Well, you know, I'll be honest with you.
You've gotten a lot more personal out of me than most other people.
But talking about duty and mission and stuff like that, I've long considered that That my role in life is not to get married and have kids and just to be this person.
But I also would like to have it all.
So I'm pretty sure I can make that happen too.
But if God is asking me to be single forever, I'm happy to do it.
It's my point.
I'm okay with it.
But I'd rather have it all.
Yeah, well that's the thing.
It is quite hard working out day to day what it is that God wants, what our chosen path is.
It is hard, and sometimes you can push thinking that he wants something, but actually that's you who wants it.
And it's really very hard to decipher, but I think the only way you can is by having alone time and allowing your thoughts to go wherever it needs to go.
Pray, things like that.
And you do.
You get these feelings, and you know the difference.
And if you're following God's path, then the feelings that you get, in theory, should be from God, right?
But if you're playing this game of being with God and without God, if you get feelings, sometimes you won't know where it's coming from.
So that's a really, really hard thing.
If I haven't been praying properly or whatever, and I get an inspiration, I'm like, ooh, I don't know where that's from, because it could just be a distraction, you know what I mean?
So it's really hard to decipher the voices, but they come.
I know.
And there's all this division within the different sects, or whatever you want to call them, of Christianity.
So that, you know, I love Latin mass Catholics.
I mean, I think you're hardcore.
But then I look at the Calvinists, and they couldn't be further on the other side, and yet they are hardcore too.
But I do think Latin mass Catholics are among the...
You know, you're the kind of A-team of the resistance.
It's really funny because this can't be a coincidence.
So I'm at Society of St Pius X. We are excommunicated from Rome, which right now is actually a better place to be, to be honest.
Of course, you don't want to be with the Pope.
He's the anti-Pope anyway.
He's not great.
Anyway, when I go to SSPX specifically, Absolutely about 95% of them are awake.
That can't be a coincidence.
I don't know.
I can't say exactly what it is, but I think it's got something to do with the fact that we're used to being ostracized and we're comfortable outside the box, that we don't really care what people think as much.
I think that might be it, but I don't know.
We're pretty awake.
Yeah, and you can ward off demons, can't you?
You know that one?
I feel like I need to do a sign of the cross after that.
That was great.
metum sidias diabli estu prosidium.
Wow.
Inferitum deus, supplicase de precomo, tucque princeps, miliciae celestis, in vitute de.
You know that one?
I feel like I need to do a sign of the cross after that.
That was great.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, goodness.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Obviously, there's a lot of strong Christians in this movement too.
It does, it's definitely not exclusively God believers in the freedom movement, but it's definitely got to be like a high percentage, don't you think?
Oh definitely, and I've seen also people who were awake but not yet Christians, sort of converting en masse.
I mean in large numbers, it's really quite... I kind of think that this is one of the missions I've been given, to red pill people and white pill people, and it seems... White pill!
Yeah, yeah, well it works!
I didn't know that!
Oh yeah!
That's good.
There's a big spiritual group too though.
Oh, definitely, definitely.
Yeah, where do you think this is all going?
I mean, do you think we are about to live out Revelation?
Okay, so I think every generation kind of thinks that they're going to live through the Bible stories because they think that they're special enough to kind of experience that.
I mean, I guess in some ways There has been a huge progress in technology that maybe we are the generation to see it.
But I don't really like to think about that too much.
But what I will say is like, Obviously, this is all opinion, but I do think that the Globalists and the Agenda 2030, I don't think they're doing very well.
I think they're actually in crisis mode and they want to make it look like that everything is on track because they want to keep us in fear.
Like, bringing in a digital ID or CBDCs or 15-minute cities, it's a big job and I don't think they're going to do very well.
Look at what happens with EULAs, you know?
This is what happens when you ask people to pay for their virtue signaling, you find out how much they actually care about virtue signaling.
So anyway, I think they're going to make some big mistakes.
And I think that's going to be when we, as the movement, get a lot of new credible members.
And I think there might be, again, just guessing here, there might be six months of really bad times.
Not being able to shop at the grocery store because you don't have the digital ID or something like that.
And that's when our real integrity is going to be tested.
The people who said yes to the vaccine and didn't want it, I hope they've learned their lesson that this time there is no messing about.
Because once Catherine Austin Fitz, you know her, she says that we're in like a three fenced paddock, a corral, right?
And the three fences are already up.
The digital ID is the last fence.
And if we do not create holes in the other fences now, when that digital ID comes in, that's it for potentially generations.
You know what I mean?
This is the last stand.
So no matter how much pain you're going through, you cannot sign up for that digital ID.
You just can't.
And by the way, I just want to make a funny antidote here is that I'm on a cruise right now and they have this technology.
It's this little pendant that you wear around your neck or on your wrist.
And my gosh, it is incredible technology.
And on the cruise ship, it's quite convenient.
It's like, you go up to the bar, honestly, there's, there might be 20 people at the bar.
You order a drink.
They know who you are.
I don't know how the technology differentiates.
It must be like a pointing thing, or I don't know.
I went into a jewelry shop and they had a raffle and I went to go give them my pendant to join the raffle.
And they're like, no, no, no, it's okay.
Everyone in this room is, is automatically entered into the raffle.
And I'm just like, And it's freaky.
You walk past people, you're like, hi Monica.
And you're like, it's freaky.
Right?
You walk to your door and it opens before you get there.
Right?
So it's this funny sense of what the digital ID would be.
And I can see that it's going to be extremely attractive to people that don't understand.
And so what I've done here on the cruise ship is every chance I get, I'm like, this is really creepy and it's okay on the cruise, but I wouldn't want this technology anywhere else.
And every single person I've spoken to said, yeah, yeah, you're right.
That is a bit creepy.
You know?
You wouldn't want it in the hands of the wrong person, would you, you know?
And they all agree, which is great.
So the point is, is that the technology's there to absolutely track and trace and identify us 100%, 150%, you know, and we need to say no, is my point.
No.
I think, I think that the word for this device you've got is, isn't it, is it not called the Mark of the Beast?
Well, on the cruise ship, it's the mark.
I guess you could call... Yeah, of course, in the Bible, Mark of the Beast.
That's what the digital ID would be, right?
It would be in the wrist or in the forehead, I guess.
Or on a pendant around your neck.
Why not?
Why not?
I couldn't be on this cruise without it.
And like I said, in the context of the cruise, I'm fine with it because it makes sense, you know?
But it really has shocked me how good the technology is.
Yeah, these bastards they're not they're not stupid.
That's what I mean.
Okay that they're a bit lazy and that they use the same techniques again and again over over centuries indeed millennia, but they're not I mean, it's not like I one of the things I hear from from Norm is is yeah, I don't believe any of these people are capable of organizing a conspiracy on the level you describe.
And you're thinking, hang on a second.
They started two world wars.
They persuaded us that these were just wars and that people died nobly.
Millions were killed and it was all necessary.
They started the Vietnam War.
They did 9-11.
They assassinated various presidents.
And you're saying they're incompetent?
Right.
It's not that hard.
I could do it.
If you gave me the number one networking person from each country, right, I could send a mass email to all of them, and they then send it to their other people.
Now, if I had billions of dollars, of course I could run the whole world.
Anyone could, with that sort of money and network.
It's not that hard.
I think it's just, they just don't want to fathom the concept, and they think it's impossible, and that's what the media's told them.
They do make fun of us, saying this globalist thing.
But then, it's, I don't know if you know this about Satanists, but I didn't know this until recently.
I think Jordan Peterson might have said it, but they actually have to warn you before they do something.
But it can be really subtle.
It can be like in an indie film that no one watches, right?
Or it can be obvious in a book, like the Agenda 2030 book, for example.
So it's all there for people to see, and so when they do pull off whatever they pull off, they can say to their God.
Sorry, they're the devil.
Don't worry, I told them and they didn't listen.
It's their fault.
That's kind of their way out.
Yeah, it's called revelation of the method.
It's called, it's, you're right.
There is this, the concept of karma is in their religious worldview, is that you have to tell the people what you're doing to them.
And if they fail to act on that warning, however veiled the warning might be, then they kind of deserve what's coming.
And so they're always, they're always telling us this stuff.
You're right.
Yeah.
So, and then all we try to do is tell everyone else and they, sorry, I'm just getting my charger for my laptop, and then they call us crazy and it's literally right there in front of them.
So when they do, when these people, for example, do wake up and they realize that what we were saying was pretty much right the whole way, they're going to feel really bad.
They're going to feel even worse than we felt during COVID when we were ostracized and discriminated against because they're going to realize what they did to us.
And, um, I hope, That our movement can forgive the people who treated us really badly.
And the example that I use is that, you know, if I can forgive the police who asked me to spread my bits, then surely you can forgive the 15 year old at the supermarket who told you to put on a mask, you know what I mean?
Because they're going to go through a massive depression, in fact, potentially suicidal epidemic, because they're going to realize That we were right the whole time and they're going to feel really stupid and they were so terrible.
And the doctors who injected people and things like that, the police who shot rubber bullets at us, like, come on, imagine how hard it's going to be for them.
So please refrain from saying I told you so as much as you possibly can and just be there for those people so that we can be a stronger force together.
Did, did people, there was a story that it was hard to know what was fake and what was true, but Didn't somebody die by being hit by a rubber bullet in the head?
No.
No?
That didn't happen?
I'm pretty sure I would know about that if that happened.
No, you would do.
You would do.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
But I was intrigued by your suggestion that you might be capable of running the world.
And I have to say, Monica, I'd so much rather you were doing it.
Good to know!
No, I would though.
But, but, here's the thing.
I'll give it a shot.
Do you not think that it would go to your head?
You'd be like Gollum with the Ring of Power.
Oh, look, I don't think anyone should be in control of the world.
That's the whole point of decentralization.
What if the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum, what if they started off with good intentions?
And then as soon as they got a little bit of clout, they got corrupted, they got taken over.
So centralization, although it's attractive and it seems easier to manage, it doesn't work.
And we need to realize that Humans are humans, okay?
They're going to get egotistical.
They're going to be corruptible.
They're going to be able to be bought off.
And if you think you're more special than anyone else, then you're more arrogant than the rest of us, right?
Because you think you're better.
So countries should be able to manage themselves independently of any world government, and that's the only way it can work.
And it's the same with the freedom movement, by the way.
You know, a lot of people say, oh, wouldn't it be great if everyone could work together?
It's like, yeah, no, that's never happened in human history, so why would it start happening now, you know?
So I think we need to recognise what we're working with here, and we're working with humans.
And we're going to be decentralised until we need to be centralised for a particular mission, which...
Like if there was another pandemic situation, the same as before, all these different freedom movement arms would come together.
You know what I mean?
But then they would go back out again, is the point.
So no, I wouldn't want to control the world.
And if I did, of course, I'd become an egotistical maniac.
Maybe not a maniac, but you know.
Monica, this always happens when I do podcasts with fellow Christians.
I've just had a message saying, Monica Smith's browser doesn't allow recording.
Issue.
Their browser is not allowing Riverside to save to disk.
What should I do?
I'm just going to click on it now.
OK.
And my computer's not on.
Thank you.
Join the studio from a different supported browser or computer.
Well, that's no bloody good, is it?
Not after we've done an hour of the interview.
What's going to happen then?
Does that mean the whole thing's gone?
Don't tell me that.
It says it stopped recording.
Only their recording stopped due to hardware limitations.
If on the laptop, make sure it's plugged into a wall outlet.
If your camera... Oh, it's probably because my charging's not working.
Ah, that might be it.
Well, that's a good problem.
That's not... Yeah, it's just being funny.
I'm just trying to get it to work now.
Well, look, I think we should go on to the sun deck and look at some... Well, you're probably right.
Look at some gulls now, or... When's your book coming out?
Four days.
Oh, that's exciting.
And are you self-publishing or have you found a publisher for it?
Self-publishing.
We're printing independently, packing, sending everything independently from Australia.
So it's not on Amazon or anything.
It's just on my website.
So we've already sold 1,200 copies.
Oh, it's going to be great.
I can see it'll sell really well.
I hope so.
Obviously, it's a bit expensive delivering from Australia, but I'm like, you know what?
I'm going to shamelessly support Australia.
If you want to buy a book, you have to buy it from Australia.
And otherwise, we can wait for the audio or the e-book, you know?
So, I think it'll be okay.
I've really come to hate the mail, particularly the mail online.
And they did an attack piece on you, which made me like you even more.
How long ago?
Well, somebody put it up on my channel this morning.
It was about you asking... Recently?
Well, do you want me to check?
Oh, for inheritance?
Is that the one?
Yeah, yeah.
When was that?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I have a good idea.
Well, my organisation just went backwards because everyone was scrounging around to stay alive because there's no big crisis anymore.
And I just said, look, I don't really care what happens, but if you want to keep RDA, if we mean something to you, then we need some funding.
And if you've got an inheritance and you've got no kids, why don't you help us out?
Yeah, why not save Australia?
Yeah.
So anyway, we've got enough to kind of stay afloat, but we're just not offering services like we did because people don't need it, which is fine.
It's a good thing.
Yeah.
You know, like we were, we were successful when everyone was in pain.
So I don't want to be successful in that way.
I watched, have you seen, you probably don't watch TV and very sensibly so, do you watch TV?
I watch Netflix.
Okay, so I watched, because I have the excuse I'm a TV critic, it's my last toehold, clawhold on the normie medium.
I've got once a fortnight TV column and I watched Masterchef Australia which is filmed in Melbourne and What struck me watching it is that all these contestants, I'll bet they're jab to the gills starters, but here's a show which
Pretends that the world has been the same in the last three years as it was in the preceding 30 years and that and that, you know, all we care about is friendship and and and good recipes and and and stuff like that.
I'm thinking.
So many people should be ashamed what happened in Victoria in that period.
Some people should not be able to live with themselves of what they did.
They should they should spend the rest of their lives just saying Mayor Culper because it was inexcusable.
I mean it would have it would we're encouraged to look at To point the finger at countries like China under Mao, or even under Xi, or we're encouraged to look at Putin and think of Putin as the new Hitler and stuff.
And I'm thinking, hang on a second, guys.
Look at what's going on in your own backyard.
Backyard.
Yeah.
It's like, if people say, you know, like, That girl, Monica, went to prison just for protesting, and people are like, no, that's fake.
Like, they don't believe you.
They just outright don't believe you.
Because if they did, then they have to go through their whole psyche of belief system, and that's too much to ask for.
And Monica, do you know how many...
This was a period when I still just about read the newspapers, just to try and see whether any voices of dissent were being allowed.
You know, all those kind of commentators, like conservative commentators, like I used to be one myself.
All these people that I imagine that when it all kicked off, they'd be fighting in the trenches next to me.
And I scoured the newspapers every day, the comment sections, for the piece written by Charles Moore or Douglas Murray or Dan Hannan or all these names who have got an interest in the colonies and the Empire and the Commonwealth or whatever.
And you'd think one of them would have written a piece saying, hang on a second, this is Australia.
Australia is like part of the Free West.
This is not meant to happen.
And guess how many of them wrote those pieces?
None?
Very... in one.
Not one of the bastards wrote that piece.
We did have some in Australia.
The Guardian, I think, did a few.
Really?
The Guardian?
Yeah.
Or The Australian, sorry.
Really?
Who?
It was probably after the lockdown.
Where was Andrew Bolt in all this?
I don't think even Andrew Bolt... Did he shit the bed?
No, he was pro-vaccine, pro-coercion, all that sort of stuff.
But you're right, he should have been.
But he did start sort of criticising the police and the government, sort of, when it was safe to.
You know?
Yeah.
When it was safe to.
He had me on.
He had Avi Yemeni from Rebel News on.
Talking about the police overreach and things like that.
I mean, better late than never, I guess.
But, you know, it's safe to be like that when it's all over.
It's kind of cowardice, isn't it?
I thought the only people that I know of who stood up to it were people like Rowan Deane.
He was good.
The Outsiders on Sky Australia.
He was great.
Alan Jones, I think, was sound, wasn't he?
Yes, and he lost his show on Sky News, and Rowan Deane also lost his show on Sky News, so they paid the price.
And I don't know.
I mean, I'm fond of Cory Bernardi.
I go on his show occasionally.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure he didn't say much about the vaccines, though.
But he's definitely, definitely had a voice.
He's manned up since.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
A lot of people were scared because, like, if, you know, people like me would talk about it, you know, we would just get absolutely slammed in the media.
And if your career depends on the media being, you know, on your side, or being in the media, because I wasn't in the media, so for me it didn't matter.
For me it was great publicity, to be honest, to be slammed in the media.
But for people like Rowan Dean and Boltz and stuff like that, they would have lost everything.
Yeah, the thing is, though, I mean, to use a military analogy, which I rarely do these days because I'm so anti-war, but it's like going into the Battle of Waterloo and sort of running away on the grounds that, oh, well, there'll be another Battle of Waterloo coming along in a few years' time and I can distinguish myself then.
And no, you can't.
I mean, this is the big battle of our lives, what's happening now.
And if you can't, if you can't cover yourself in glory now, when will you?
What's the point of going on?
Well, I don't know.
Not everyone has a working conscience like, like you do, you know, it doesn't, they justify it successfully in their heads.
Every once in a while, it pricks them in at three o'clock in the morning.
They're like, Oh, I probably should have done.
Oh no, I'll just have another drink.
You know?
Um, So yeah, people abandon their post a lot, I think.
Maybe more these days than ever before.
Yeah, but Monica, if they only realise that this life is temporary and the next one is eternal, I mean, that's quite a big difference.
A lot of them do though.
A lot of them are Christians and they still don't do it.
Well, yeah, but actually, are they Christians?
Because I don't really see how you could, if you understand the concept of eternity and the afterlife, I don't think that you could act like this world matters that, I mean, you know, you wouldn't be afraid, would you?
I guess not.
I think, yeah, like, I think a lot of people are just Christian by name because they think it makes them sound better somehow.
But in reality, They really do care more about the world.
So yeah, you're probably right.
I mean, because you were very modest about your achievements and I kind of feel the same.
I mean, I don't feel like I'm special.
I feel like I'm blessed to have been given this role.
It's just like, I mean, it's fantastic in a way.
It's just like the result.
But I do feel sorry for those who can't see how desperate things are and how important it is to, well, as you say, resist things like No, it's not.
digital ideas if our lives depend on it which they do i mean because actually life is not worth living if we if we have our feelings taken away from us to that that degree no it's not i'm look a lot of people are going to have to make that decision at one point and maybe they've already made the decision that they um they want to make the most out of this world um that they possibly can and look that's the decision that's why we've got free will i guess but i think i think what happens as well
james is that people see maybe you or me being demonized in the in the in the in the public and maybe they think that that's all it is but what you and i both know is that there is 90 positive feedback and maybe 10 negative and we're not going to be able to do that but i think that's We know that.
And maybe they don't see that and they think that it's going to be really terrible.
But what they don't realize is the support behind the scenes is just incredible.
And the feeling, like I think we said before, the feeling of accomplishing that and doing what's right.
It's just, it beats every possible material game.
On the planet.
Oh, totally.
I was talking to my sister about this this only the other day.
I was saying it's like being a rock star and I can like a huge rock star but without having to have sold your soul to the devil.
I say like, yeah, I mean, that's the deal with to become a famous rock star movie star.
You've seen the interview with the Bob Dylan did once and the one with Brad Pitt.
They actually that's how they get there, you know get to be be famous.
We don't have to do that.
It's the opposite.
Yeah.
It's good.
I mean, you look at Peter McCullough and stuff, when he goes and does events, you know, like it's 10 times any sort of, you know what I mean?
Like he is a rock star.
Yeah.
In our eyes, you know.
Our crowd is so nice.
I mean, such great people.
I've never been, I've never been publicly trolled or ever, ever, you know, like it's all positive, you know?
The only trolls are online because they're cowards.
Yeah.
Anyway, are we still doing the interview?
Or are we just chatting?
I think so.
But, you know, that's what people say, that it's my style.
I just kind of, you know, whatever.
I think you should go and stare at Gulls.
I should.
They're not called seagulls, they're called gulls.
And you should do whatever else you do on a cruise.
Yeah, I will.
Don't forget your neck pass, because you won't be admitted.
So, Monica, tell us where we can find you, where we can buy your book and stuff like that.
Yeah, so, monicasnit.com.
It's all there.
That's it.
Yeah.
And obviously I'm on Instagram and Facebook and all that sort of stuff.
But MonicaSmith.com is where it's all at.
And I still have a bit of my tour left to go.
So I'll be in Greece, Croatia, Hungary.
Then I'm going across to Georgia, USA.
So I'll be around that area for about a month and then I'm going home.
So if you're in any of those areas... Who organised this tour?
Did you organise the tour?
Yes.
How did you find venues and stuff?
I don't, so I just, people invite me to like a casual event, so it's not a big event, it's like 30, 40 people, some people do organise big ones with 100, 150 people, but I literally just put the word out, I'm going to be in this place, does anyone want to invite me to an event?
People invite me, I schedule it in, I turn up, Bob's your uncle.
It's really, it's not, it's casual.
Whereabouts in Greece are you going?
Yeah, so I haven't even scheduled them yet, but I know I'm going to go, and I know that a few people will end up Making it happen.
And so on the website, when you click on tour, you'll see the updates.
And I have, um, on my database, I can section my database into countries.
So I can send an email to just Greece or just Hungary or, you know, um, so that's how I do it.
Try and get to Cardameli in Greece.
All right.
Maybe you can, maybe you can send that to me separately.
So yeah, it's really good.
I love Croatia as well.
Croatia is based.
Yeah, they've got a big freedom movement there from what I understand, so I think I'm going to have a lot of fun there.
And it's obviously beautiful, so yeah, so I'm looking forward to it, so that's the situation.
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Yeah, £70,000 a month for his show, which is produced by Gary Lineker.
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Thank you, Monica, again.
It's been brilliant.
Thanks.
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