Ben Rubin is a former management consultant, turned political and cultural dissident.
After 17 years helping international businesses transform themselves using advanced technology, Ben realised the global corporate system is fundamentally rigged against humanity and needs to be replaced.
He is fighting systemic corruption at riseuk.substack.com
He is building the Future of Great Britain at pattern18.substack.com
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Ben.
Ben Rubin.
You almost caught me a moment ago doing something I never do, which is research.
You've written a really good sub-stack.
And do you know what?
I'll tell you one thing I liked about your sub-stack.
You quote somebody called Horsemouth, and it goes eye and eye.
I imagine that Horsemouth is a rasta man, is he?
Indeed, yes.
Tell me about that first, that track you quote.
Well, it's actually, it's from a film called Rockers, I think it's called, it's from the 70s and it's, I've not even seen the whole film, but that quote, he talks about Babylon and not even the dog that pisses against the wall of Babylon can escape this judgment, right, which is, it's some heavyweight stuff.
But it gets used a lot in like Jungle and Garage and it's a very well-known sample and it's very iconic and I thought it was appropriate given context.
It's one of the things that you and I have in common that we are we are rave refugees.
Yes.
And we have a particular soft spot for that kind of thing and for these kind of rastas samples.
I mean, I think probably my favorite sample is the the Lee Perry on out of space right on the prodigy.
Yeah.
I'm gonna put on an iron shirt and keep saying out of earth yeah yeah yeah exactly exactly but I so I like my my dub um Well, I haven't listened to it for some time, and I like the whole thing of I and I, Jah, Rastafari.
I wonder what... but I've never really looked into Rastafarianism.
I mean, they're obviously quite connected to the Bible and the Lion of Judah and all that stuff.
And they're suspicious of Babylon, and they understand that the system is against them, which makes me very much on their side.
But do you know anything about what's going on there?
What with Rastafarianism?
You can throw me right in the deep end.
You did this last time with the Lee Perry.
I was like, I don't know enough about Lee Perry to answer this question.
Basically, Rasta is a religious movement that sprung up In response to Emperor Haile Selassie being crowned as the Emperor of Ethiopia back in the 1920s, I think it was.
And essentially this was hailed as a biblical prophecy being fulfilled.
And I think that Rasta initiated in Jamaica and then spread all around the world.
And Haile Selassie was an astonishing man.
Really just an incredible, incredible individual, incredible character and very strong in his Christian faith.
And it's one of the things I find fascinating and enchanting and it really kind of resonates with me about
Jamaican culture, the music, like the whole heritage basically, and actually it's something that we've kind of abandoned in this country and lost in this country, or it's been taken from us in this country, like our connection to spirit and our connection to faith and religion and the Rastas have it.
And not just the Rastas, like actually the Jamaicans, and I know a lot of Jamaican people, like they're very deeply spiritually rooted as a people and Yeah, it's very profound and fulfilling stuff when you get into it.
The Deling Pod, where two white men talk in detail about their love of Rastafarianism and Jamaican culture.
I'm going to have to get a Rastaman on.
Yes!
Yeah, I don't know who I'd choose, but we need we need more of that.
We need more of that.
Anyway, I'm distracting you as I as I as I do because I'm I'm they call me distractor that you've written a substack with all sorts of Juicy, um, tempting detail about the Tony Blair Institute, which has got to be up there with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
It's one of the most evil organizations in the world.
Yeah.
And you mentioned some Rothschilds, which is always, always interesting.
Yeah.
And you mentioned the, what's going to be the coming horror?
That the Labour landslide which is going to be facilitated by all manner of of sort of hard left infiltrators just taking over the party so yeah i mean yes that's certainly what they have on the agenda i mean i you know i hope that it doesn't even come to the general election to be honest with
I feel like we need a hard, a time out, a big old time out and a big conversation and then a reset around what's actually going on at a national level because there's some astonishing things happening at the moment.
I agree with you Ben, but actually before we go on, we ought to perhaps establish your bona fides to people because I think
You're kind of almost a gamekeeper turned poacher in the sense that your work has taken you to quite a high level in the organisations which are planning the dismantling of everything we believe and erecting the walls of our prison for this new tyranny that the The wefers and so on are planning for us.
You've got inside information because despite being a DJ and probably an occasional drug user or former drug user, nevertheless, you know what's happening and you can talk about it in a way that
Makes people understand, people perhaps of a normie persuasion, understand that this isn't just some crazy nonsense that James Dellingpole and a few conspiracy theorists have cooked up.
It actually is real and is embedded in every area of our system.
Yeah, yeah it is, yeah.
So, I mean, by way of introduction, I was a consultant.
I worked in the consulting industry and that involved advising chief executives and leadership teams of big companies and A bit of government, but I didn't really like working in government.
They're too bureaucratic and slow.
But working with big organizations to transform themselves using digital technologies, and I spent 15, 20 years doing that.
And then I kind of, I had a bit of a... I got bounced out of the system, I guess.
I was part of a boutique design firm that got acquired by one of the big global audit firms.
One of the big auditors, EY.
They have an audit in a management consultant side of their business and we got acquired by the firm and integrated into the management consulting arm of EY in the UK.
That was fun for a little bit and then it became a real grind when you realise how sausages are made.
It's actually pretty grim, the work that they're doing and the politics and the bureaucracy of it.
Um, you know, so I didn't really fit in there.
Um, and, um, you know, I kind of hard ejected out of that system back in 2018, 2019.
Uh, and then, you know, within a year of that happening, COVID obviously happened and I was still doing bits of consulting, but then I started to come across things, particularly in the health system, um, through some of my advisory work that were just absolutely inexcusable.
Um, and the reason that James and I know each other is that we had a conversation back in April.
About an organization called Genomics England Which is a UK government backed Data platform that is apparently going to enable a global bio industry Using your your DNA and your kids DNA and my DNA and they're gonna use it to make loads of money for the Pharmaceutical industry and it's an absolute horror show.
I just shouldn't exist.
So since then, around April this year, I've kind of become a substacker slash political dissident slash doing lots of interviews, speaking to UK Column, done quite a lot of work with them.
And basically sort of working out how to exist in a new world and to call out corruption in the current system to the best of my ability and build awareness and understanding of what's going on over in the current system.
Like the corrupt system, but then also working on projects to replace that wholesale actually through the whole stack and build us into a better, brighter future.
That is becoming more of my focus now.
Not least because people are more interested in engaging with that and it's also less of a grind on me because the current system is extraordinarily bad.
When you were doing these kind of consultancy jobs, did everyone assume that you were just one of them?
They assumed that your thinking was like their thinking?
I guess so.
My thinking probably was like their thinking, to be honest with you.
Our role was about growth.
It's about operational performance.
It was about helping companies to enter new markets, develop new products and services, and to deliver their existing ones more efficiently using technology.
To sum it up, that's basically what we were doing.
When I was in the independent world, the boutique world, we were much more what we called human-centred.
So actually what we did was called human-centred design.
It's still actually how I describe myself professionally.
I'm a human-centred designer.
And that was about going in and using research techniques to understand people at a really fundamental level.
How do they behave?
What motivates them?
What are their needs?
And then how do we Adapt our organisation and the services that we deliver to that, in order to deliver value to the citizen.
And we were acquired by an organisation that wanted that, or they thought they wanted that, whereas actually they didn't really want that at all.
What they wanted was to carry on doing what they were doing, but do it in a slightly funkier way.
And that was it.
And that's what became apparent.
We had an integration process of a couple of years where we were kind of locked in, shall we say.
They buy the company and then you have to stick around for a little while.
You're incentivized to do so.
The first year was great, actually, and we got loads of visibility of big strategic programs.
I was flying around the world, going to the US, going across Europe, going to the Middle East and doing really exciting things.
And then basically over time, you become less the sort of shiny toy and, you know, you're just another part of the machine.
And actually, ultimately, we were 80 people got acquired by an organization of, I think they were about half a million people globally, right?
So, you know, your ability to actually affect change across that is quite limited.
And also, because there's half a million people working in an organisation like EY, you get the full sweep of different types of personalities.
There are lots of good people in those organisations, but the top levels, the people who actually understand really what's going on, are not good at all, actually.
Okay, I totally accept that all the people at the top of these firms are psychopaths.
I suspect that you're going to be slightly more positive about where we're going and what we can do than I am.
But I wanted to tell you a story before you go on and tell me all your detailed stuff that I haven't been asked to research.
I was going to save this story for Dick, but I'm not sure when I'm going to be doing a Dick podcast next.
I want to tell you about my experience going to see a cricket match at Lord's.
So my son took me along to see the cricket match.
I don't really do sport, bread and circuses and all that.
And we were sitting up in, what are they called, the stands.
They call standard cricket.
Yeah.
And there were these sitting next to us with these middle aged blokes who just were really getting tanked up.
They were just ordering, you know, four pints at a time.
And they had a bottle of champagne.
They're getting absolutely wankered.
And so we got talking to them.
And one of the guys told me, you know, I love cricket.
Cricket's just my life.
And I've applied to join MCC.
And I've got onto the first list, you know, associate membership.
And it was clearly going to be He'd made it when he became a member of Melbourne Cricket Club and got to wear that stupid wankers tie that they wear.
I was listening to this and he said, you know, there's a vetting procedure.
I show you he said yeah oh they they grill you they they so I said so what sort of questions are they asking you uh what's an over I said no no no no no much more much more much more thorough than that they want to know what your position is what you think about diversity um what you think about about women in sport and and I sort of looked at my son and tried to say something diplomatic and we
I said, I think I might have had trouble giving positive answers to those sort of questions.
And he gave me a look as if to say, I know what you are.
You're a racist, aren't you?
You don't like diversity.
I can tell.
I can tell.
You don't like diversity.
And actually it wasn't that at all.
Because I mean, I love the idea that we've got people like that, that I like the fact that we're kind of a team of mercenaries.
We import them from around the world, particularly from the Indian subcontinent.
That's great.
I'm happy with that.
But the reason I was turning up my nose and just being appalled was the very notion that a cricket club has any business vetting its members on their opinions about anything other than Cricket!
I mean, it's just, like, outrageous.
But for these people, and I think they're much more representative of the world out there, particularly the corporate world.
I mean, if you're a corporate lawyer, you're going to be so invested in this system of diversity and sustainability and stuff.
They don't even think about it.
It's like breathing for them.
They wouldn't even question it for a second.
That's remarkable that MCC have adopted that.
My old housemaster at prep school was MCC.
And you could tell where he'd been walking around the school because he used to smoke a pipe constantly.
Mr. Peacock.
He was an absolute legend.
He was MCC.
I don't think he would have got very far through the recruitment process these days.
He was an old school gen.
Do you know how they do it?
You know who their current chairman, president is?
No.
Stephen Fry.
Oh, there you go.
Stephen Fry, and I think Ian Hislop is another example of this, they're very good at sort of portraying a certain kind of Englishness, sort of urbane, they like the sound of leather on willow.
I don't know whether Hislop does, but you know.
They probably like the pre-beaching railway system, and they think that... If you ask them what our national characteristic was, they'd probably, the bastards, they'd probably say it was tolerance, or some horse shit like that.
And what they do, so they're a bit like...
Out of my depth here, the Borg, maybe the Borg in those science fiction movies, they sort of assimilate, don't they?
You think that they have the appearance of chaps who can wear that red and yellow tie and they love cricket.
Actually, they're there, a bit like William Walgrave, the Provost of Eton and the new Headmaster of Eton.
They are there to undermine and to destroy the institutions.
That's their real mission.
Yeah, well I mean, where's Private I been for the past three, four years?
I'll just say very briefly, because I can, because he's dead.
I used to read The Eye.
I used to think, well, maybe I was enticed in by the whole thing, but I used to read The Eye religiously for years, and I thought it was a good counterpoint to everything.
But then since all this stuff's kicked off, they haven't said a word about anything.
I'll just say very briefly, because I can, because he's dead.
Look up Rain's list, R-A-I-N-S list, and Richard Ingram's.
So Richard Ingram's took over from Booker, Christopher Booker was absolutely brilliant.
Hero.
Man of God.
But you look at Richard Ingrams.
Now that is the guy who was the long-standing editor of Private Eye before Ian Hislop.
Mate, he was on the reigns list.
Okay, yeah, and the reason I know about The Reigns List is because I listened to your excellent, excellent interview with Brian Gerrish.
I've listened to it about five times now since I came across it.
It's absolutely phenomenal.
So after this one's finished, people, if you haven't listened to the Gerrish one, go and listen to it.
Amazing piece of work.
Well done, friends.
Now, Ben, I'm going to let you talk about a bit.
Yeah.
A little bit about your latest research because it is I think what you do is you describe the mechanics of the process of the infiltration and destruction of our culture.
Yeah.
This is not a conspiracy theory.
This is happening and this is how it happens.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So I mean, you know, To put it out there, I'm not an investigative journalist.
I suppose maybe I am.
I don't know.
Yeah, you are.
De facto.
I've become one, yeah.
But none of this was planned.
I've run into things.
I've just been doing research and come across some absolutely astonishing stuff, really.
So this started With a conversation that I had with Debbie Evans at UK Callum and we did an interview about two months ago now I think it was, it was sometime in July and basically Debbie had seen the Toby, Toby I keep doing that as your mate isn't it?
Toby Blair.
Yeah, all right.
I won't talk about him.
Anyway, Tony Blair Institute for Global Change, right, which is, let's not be around the bush, that's an extraordinarily arrogant organisation name for Tony Blair to be touting around, his Institute for Global Change.
Also quite interesting in the context of everything else that's going on.
And he was running, obviously, you know, completely unelected guy who's destroyed, you know, a large part of what made this country good and our international reputation and a whole bunch of other things, right?
He was running in July this event called the Future of Great Britain.
And it's basically this big jamboree over one day, bringing out all of the globalist types and topics that you could think of, right?
So it was basically a whole wall-to-wall session of artificial intelligence, digital identity, you know, lab-grown meat, like all of the things that are horrific, Tony Blair is there pushing them, right?
And he's got all the corporate backers and Google are there and The Rockefeller Foundation are there and, you know, absolutely horrendous, right?
And if you want to hear more about that, you can go and look at the UK Column interview.
You know, it was a good discussion I had with Debbie.
But one of the things that jumped out at me was that Tony Blair had buddied up with a young gentleman by the name of Metty Coban.
And Meti Koban is a young Labour politician from Hackney, which is my ends, basically.
I'm not quite in Hackney now, but I lived in Hackney for a very long time.
And he is a Hackney councillor.
He's responsible for the environment, sustainability in the environment.
I can't remember the exact term, but he's basically the guy that is leading the charge out on you layers and closing down Church Street in Stoke Newington and basically just anything that is aligned to all the stuff that we don't like.
He's he's front and center for it at a local level in Hackney.
But he's also being positioned Quite emphatically, as a future face, I'm guessing probably a future leader of the left in this country.
He's besie mates with Sadiq Khan, they're all over each other's Instagram, going to people's... I wouldn't say christening, but you know, whatever the Muslim version of a christening is, I don't know, like they're, you know, all of this kind of stuff, like they're in each other's pockets.
And Coban has been put up there by Blair as his equal, essentially.
So all of the communication coming out about Tony Blair's Future of Britain event had Blair and Coban side by side.
Right, and that's obviously good for Tony Blair, because he needs someone to burnish his reputation, because it is so bad, right?
Like, he has to stand up there with someone else, because I don't think he could stand up there alone.
And obviously it's good for Coban, although he certainly thinks it's good.
I don't think it looks good for him at all, because he gets to stand there next to a former Prime Minister, a former Middle East peace envoy, all of these sort of baubles that Blair's accumulated over the years.
And that will therefore, you know, burnish Coban's reputation and make him look important, right?
So, you know, that kind of makes sense.
And Coban is an absolutely fascinating guy because he runs a charity, amongst all the other stuff that he does, he runs a charity called My Life, My Say.
And My Life, My Say was founded in 2014.
With the express purpose of getting younger people more engaged in the democratic process.
Right?
And that word democracy is one that gets used a lot.
They hammer it.
Democracy, democracy, democracy.
Right?
It's all about the, you know, Vox Populi, Vox Dei.
The more people that say this thing, then that makes it right.
Okay?
Um and you know what the left have been doing they've been doing this for a very long time actually right so as far as I can remember he's constantly trying to get more young people to vote and lowering the age of of voting right I think they've even been talking about it in the past few days like one of the big things that they want to do When they win the next election is lower the voting age to 16 so they can get even more young people in to overwhelm the democratic process, right?
Because most of those young people are coming out of the school system.
The school system is absolutely, like, doggedly left wing in a way that is really quite remarkable when you dig into it.
And, you know, so it's an established approach.
They've been doing it for a very long time, and this has been formalized, you know, at least in part, into this organization, My Life, My Say.
And it's a fascinating, fascinating organization.
And they express purposes to fundamentally transform British society.
And they're doing it with what they describe as a theory of change.
Right, and you hear this a lot, actually, around the public sector, this theory of change.
And I think, as you spend more time looking at this stuff, you begin to understand, like, read between the lines a little bit on a lot of the terminology.
So, democracy is one of them.
The other one is non-partisan.
So, they'll say that they're non-partisan.
It's like, OK, well, actually, I think that means uniparty.
Yeah.
Because it's still political, but it's non-partisan, right?
So they're non-partisan in politics, right?
So I think that that is, again, sort of smoke and mirrors.
And I think this theory of change thing is something really interesting as well.
And ultimately, it's this idea of progressive, progressiveness.
We've got to change everything all the time.
Everything has to transform constantly.
You know, we're going to progress towards this bright utopian future that's never existed anywhere before, right?
Which is ultimately the dream of the left, to live in this kind of socialist utopia.
And this theory of change, this theory of transformation has been in place for a number of years now.
The first thing that the organization has been doing is what they call creating space for conversations, which on the face of it is a great thing, right?
And they even talk about, and I love this idea, right?
The old coffee shops in London in the 17 and 1800s, that was the crucible of new thought came from the conversations that were had between citizens in the public sphere.
And they actually talk about that in the context of what my life, my state has been doing.
They want to create this coffee shop environment.
But obviously, because they have an agenda, it's a very hard left wing agenda.
That coffee shop environment is very closely managed and the topics are very closely curated by the organisation.
And that will become clearer as I go along.
And you should go and look at the website of the organization.
They talk about, very publicly, about all the stuff that they do.
So they've been creating space for conversations.
They've been running events all around the UK.
So across the North, places like Aberdeen, Blackburn I think was a big one.
In fact, 80% of what they're doing is outside of London.
So there's a big effort to make this a national movement.
They've done it in conjunction with Starbucks.
Remarkably, right?
So it's another example of this really strange counterintuitive alignment between global corporations and hard left-wing politics, which most people Don't really get right because the left is supposed to be anti-corporate but they have now found themselves in the position where they're actually allied with the global corporations and Starbucks willingness to host these events I think is really interesting.
Yeah.
So this has been going on... Sorry, jump in James.
I was going to say, maybe Starbucks jealous that Costa managed to get in on the transgender thing and started promoting cartoon images of young women with their breasts cut off and stitched up, which has put me right off going to Costa.
But then, I mean, Starbucks was never a good option either and now you've confirmed that it's Well, at Starbucks we were offering gender transition therapy to their employees a couple of years ago as well, so yeah, they're all on the agenda, yeah.
Imagine what Dr Johnson and Boswell would think about that.
Well, right, yeah.
I think they'd think that we were in hell.
I think Joseph Allison would have had a few things to say in the early version of The Spectator.
Yes, quite.
Quite.
Anyway.
Anyway.
So they've been creating space for conversations.
They've been getting mainly, and this is really interesting, right?
And you look at who they're talking to and who they're presenting on the website.
Who's in the images?
What are those people doing?
And they are absolutely dead focused on young women from recent immigrant populations.
That's who they're targeting.
Right, and I don't want to use any of the colours because I really dislike racial categorisation of any type and the left love it, right?
It's one of their main organising tactics is to set off one bit of the population against another based on Racial categorization, gender identity, sexual orientation, all of these different things, right?
All of that stuff is coming from the left, not coming from anywhere else.
But they're very squarely focused on young women from recent immigrant populations from around the UK.
They want to get them involved in this conversation which is essentially a radical Left-wing, neo-Marxist conversation with a very specific worldview, a very specific language and set of terms that they use on a consistent basis.
So things like diversity, equity, social justice, like all of this stuff, it is fundamentally neo-Marxist.
I was wondering, just to pick you up on that point, Whether they're kind of modeling themselves on that trio of witches in American Congress, you know, Alexandria, Occasional Cortex, and the other ones.
Yeah, the one that married her brother.
Yeah, yeah, that lot.
That lot.
Hillary's family.
Yeah, well, no, no, no, they are actually, right?
So, you know, they actually say on the site that they're influenced, they're inspired by BLM, right?
So, straight off the bat, Black Lives Matter, George Soros backed...
Left-wing political group from the US.
Also Fridays for Future, the Greta Thunberg climate meltdown thing.
They're also influenced by them.
And that's what's been guiding the conversation.
And then, interestingly, based on what you just said, the second step in their three-step theory of change, having sparked the conversation, is to form The Squad.
They actually call it The Squad.
Do they?
Yes.
So they're using the same language.
So obviously the politicians you've mentioned, I think it's actually gone up to eight now, and they're not all women in the actual squad in the US, but it's the same terminology, right?
And a lot of young women look up to those politicians, they're presented as people to be admired.
In the media and you know they're they're kind of celebrities and my life my say has gone straight in on that language and said no no you you're gonna be in the squad now you can join the squad right so that's the second step and then the third step is getting is using the squad who have been g'd up in the conversation that has been constructed to get young people out to vote And Coban was actually given an MBE for this in 2021.
So they ran an event, a one-day event, and they got 85,000 young people signed up to vote who weren't signed up to vote.
Very impressive actually like very high impact and then they created a whole bunch of social media noise and awareness around what they were doing and Coban was given an MBE so Prince Charles as he then was has formally blessed this activity and Giving it the stamp of approval of the Royal Family, the British Establishment, right?
So okay, well, you know, let's reserve...
Our cynicism for a minute.
Now let's just assume that Mettie Coban, my life, my say, they're just well-meaning kids who want to make the world a better place and they want things to be better and Charles has gone, oh you look like nice young people, let's give you a bit of recognition to help you with your extreme left-wing political movement, right?
Okay, well, maybe, yeah, like, but unfortunately when you start to dig into it a little bit it becomes Really quite sinister actually.
And we talked about Uniparty a moment ago.
And there is a theory that there are people coordinating with each other to implement a single system of global governance, right?
That is a theory that has been had.
And actually when you look at My Life, My Say, not just the people who are actively involved on the front line of the organization, but when you dig into who they work with, Who associates with them and particularly who their trustees are.
This is a charity, so they have a board of trustees and their partners.
Then it starts to get really, really interesting, right?
So I was looking at this.
Sitting in the library near my flat here where I am in East London, and I was going through basic research stuff.
I used to do this every day of the week, looking at companies, what are they up to, what are their public statements, who's the CEO, what's his background or her background, you know, like just intelligence so that you can go in and talk to them with a level of understanding about who they are and what they're doing.
So I've been through a gazillion websites.
This is just what I do on a day-to-day basis, really.
And I was looking at the MyLifeMysave website, and it looks all nice and interesting.
They tell you a lot about what they're doing.
And you go to the trustees, and there's about six or seven of them.
And you look at them, and they've got nice smiley photos, and there's their name, but there's no other information.
And that's unusual.
Right, like the... you know, I'm a trustee of a charity, and we have photo, name, a little bio that we've written ourselves, links to our social media profile, the whole stuff, right?
Because you want to give people access to all the information.
My life may say they haven't done that.
So, I wanted to understand who these people were.
So, I did a little bit of digging, and this is the work of five minutes, right?
Like, literally, who is da-da-da-da-da-da Glen Manning?
All right, the first one I wanted to understand, who is Glenn Manning?
And if you look at who Glenn Manning is, you go to LinkedIn and put his name in, and I actually haven't checked whether he's deleted it or not, because if I was him, I would certainly delete it based on what I've uncovered and shared, right, is that Glenn Manning is actually a Rothschild banker.
All right, so he works for Rothschild & Co in London, and has done for quite some time, it's about eight years he's been working for Rothschild & Co.
And not just that, In 2021, when Manning was made a trustee of the charity at the same time that Coban was given an MBE, the same time, Manning stepped up from Rothschild & Co and became a representative of something called R & Co for Generations, which is a philanthropic fund
Run by the Rothschild family, from Paris, by Alexandra de Rothschild, personally.
So you have a Tony Blair-connected, hyper-political, hard-left-wing organisation that is actively engaged in trying to, we'll say, essentially social engineering.
We're trying to change the social structure of the nation of Britain.
By doing the things that we do.
And we have on our board of trustees a man who is a representative of the Rothschild family.
And we are hiding that information from you.
Yeah?
Because we deliberately not put it on our website.
I mean, that's... What is that?
I mean, that's like a... Is that a slam dunk from a conspiracy theory perspective?
Because the Rothschild family, like the existence of it itself is sometimes described as a conspiracy theory, but we know that they're real.
Right?
We know that Rothschild & Co.
have a big office in London and Paris.
They have websites.
They have people that work there.
In fact, I saw someone walking up from the Tube outside my flat the other day with a Rothschild & Co.
bag.
Obviously, she works there.
Right?
So these people exist, but they're talked about as if, oh, no, no, that's just ridiculous.
You can't say that the Rothschilds exist or that any of the things that we know about them or have been told about them historically could potentially be true.
But lo and behold, here they are.
Actively engaged in the industrial level social engineering of British society.
They wouldn't do that.
Staggering.
Right, okay.
Don't go there, actually.
Don't go there.
Because, you know, that's kind of dangerous.
That rhymes with, if you were Toby Young, you'd say, that rhymes with That rhymes with me nearly falling off my chair in the library.
And I was like, what have I just seen?
Because this is like all of the things that we thought might have been going on, that no, we've actually seen it now.
It is going on, and I sort of casually stumbled across it, right?
And that's just the start, by the way, because that's just one of the trustees.
Others of note, and there are a few, Right, so this woman called Harjeet Sohota, who is the Director, actually no, she's not the Director, she's Head of External and Stakeholder Communications at the Labour Party, the UK Labour Party.
So she's responsible... Yeah, but it's non-partisan, so that can't be right.
Well, apparently, yeah, right.
But it's non-partisan, but then also, we'll get into it in a minute, but David Cameron's floating around.
Right?
And Nick Clegg's floating around, and Ed Davey's floating around, and David Lammy's floating around.
They're all there.
So maybe that's what makes it non-partisan.
The fact that all of the politicians are involved.
That makes it non-partisan.
Yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
According to their definition.
But she actually works, this woman, Sir Hota, she works for the Labour Party.
She's serving in that position currently, right now.
And working with the Rothshop.
And that information is being withheld from us.
Right, does she not think that that's suspicious?
Does the Labour Party not think that that's worth us knowing about?
Does Keir Starmer know about this?
I'm assuming he does.
I'd be extraordinarily surprised if he didn't.
And if he didn't, then he's got no right putting himself up to be Prime Minister of the country.
Because he was perfectly happy to go along and sit on the stage alongside Tony Blair at the Future of Great Britain event that Meti Cobain co-hosted.
They're philanthropists, Ben.
to give his blessing to the day.
At the end of the day, he just rolled in.
It was like, yeah, whatever Tony said, that's what I agree with.
Okay, well, that's all backed by the Rothschilds.
You agree with it still?
I mean, what the hell's going on in this country?
I don't know.
They're philanthropists, Ben.
Philanthropists.
Philanthropath, I think.
I've coined a new term.
You're a philanthropath.
Yeah, you do the math with that one.
Right, so Sohota, what the hell are you doing there, Harjeet Sohota?
A lady called, I believe that this lady's, Cecile Laval, she appears to be head of the School of Humanities at the University of Greenwich.
Interesting.
French woman.
Um, there's another young woman called Swartzie McCarley, who is actually quite a high-profile BBC Radio 1 Extra and Kiss FM presenter, and also very, very deeply involved with the Tony Blair thing.
Uh, she's co-hosted a bunch of his events, and, you know, really front and centre, and I don't know.
You're saying that she wasn't chosen for her DJ skills and understanding of dance music then?
I don't, honestly I don't know why.
I feel, look, I'll cut Miss McCarley a little bit of slack because I think she's quite young.
I just, I don't know, I think that they just get starstruck maybe by the people that are coming and saying hey we want to sit, hey come and sit next to us and talk to us about the future of the country and they kind of get sucked into it.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I don't know.
I've never met her.
I don't know anything about her.
But it's like, what on earth do you think you're doing?
This man is a demonstrable and widely acknowledged war criminal and you are burnishing his reputation.
Whether you realize it or not, I am now telling you that that's what he's doing.
You are providing him with credibility to stand up in public and say things that he should not be saying.
Right?
That guy should be under investigation and probably in prison and maybe beyond that with Blair, I don't know.
These are things that we have got to get to grips with as a country, right?
There's this quote, I was going to save this to the end for my little grand summing up, but I'm going to roll it out now, right?
This is from Plato.
The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.
Look at the situation that we're in.
Yeah, like the people's detachment from politics and current affairs is the reason that they've been able to do this.
People, people, we've got to get more involved with this.
Yeah, with a national conversation about what's happening here because otherwise people like Blair and Coban and the Rothschild family based in Paris are going to be calling all of the shots.
And we cannot have that because what they're trying to do is to fundamentally transform the structure of the country to the level that, you know, people talk about this idea of the Great Replacement Theory.
I actually think that that's true.
I think that that's a real thing.
I think that the people who run the country, I think the establishment, could not care two figs.
You're not a sweary podcast, are you James?
I'm not going to say a swear word.
Right, but they don't care about anyone.
We're like livestock to them.
Yeah, so it's very simple for them to make a decision.
Well, we'll just replace all those ones.
All the ones that fought for the country over the past hundred years in two world wars and sacrificed their lives and built back the nation.
All of them.
No, we'll just get rid of them.
We'll move a whole new lot in and they'll be easier to control.
That's basically the mindset.
This is the name I can't pronounce.
Baron Kalergi-Kudinhov.
Yeah.
This was his plan.
And if you try and look it up on the internet, certainly using the main search engines, you'll find it described as a conspiracy theory.
But it's not a conspiracy theory.
It's absolutely what's going on.
You can see it.
Look, buy their fruits, you shall know them.
I mean, it's... It's simple as that.
I agree.
And also, did you know that there is a Kalergi Prize?
Did you know about that?
They give out a prize?
Yes.
How do I win it?
Well, I don't know.
You probably have to help out this mob.
But Tony Blair's won it.
Bill Clinton's won it.
Of course he has.
That's it, isn't it?
It's like, is it cognitive dissonance or something else?
Where you can believe two things simultaneously, which are contradictory.
So there is a Kalergi Prize, but at the same time Kalergi is a conspiracy theory.
Yeah, it's like the Rothschilds.
There might be a Rothschild bank and there might be, you know, people walking around with the name Rothschild, like Nat Rothschild.
I mean, literally, they're all over the place.
But that's not real.
But it is real.
It's just too difficult for people to engage with because it makes them question everything about their reality, right, ultimately.
But no, the Kalergi Prize exists.
It's a prize for European integration.
That's what it's for.
And last year, Zelensky won it.
Well, come on, he deserved it.
He really did.
He's done so much integrating.
Especially in men's clubs.
He loves a good integrate, does Zelensky.
Yeah, exactly.
You're talking about MCC of course, except I can correct you there because actually MCC admitted women quite a few years ago.
Oh really?
How very progressive.
Wonderful.
Um, so anyway, what were we talking about?
We were talking about, yeah, Swoosie McCarley, yeah, so Kiss FM, BBC One Extra, she's on there as well.
Um, there's a couple of people on the trustees who, so there's a young lady called Joanne Ridge, and another guy called Lennox Omeng Antwi, which is, although it's an African name, I'm probably not pronouncing it correctly.
And neither of those two can be found anywhere online.
And given what their age appears to be, like they look like relatively young people, that's extraordinarily odd.
Yeah, to have no digital footprint is really strange if you're in your late 20s.
Yeah, like it's unusual.
What does that say to you?
That they were born in underground, in dumbs, in deep underground military bases, probably from... They probably didn't even have a passport.
Maybe they were cloned.
I mean...
I don't know what it says to me, but what it says to me is if anyone knows anything about those two people in particular, I'd love to know about it.
It says dodgy AF to me.
Yeah.
You're right.
The idea of having a sort of board is that they give integrity, I suppose, sort of bottom to an organisation.
Oversight, yeah, yeah.
Oversight, exactly.
So if they're traceless, you start thinking, well, hang on a second.
Where are they coming from?
Well, particularly when you're hiding the identity of all the other trustees.
Right, that's the thing.
And then the final one, another really interesting one, maybe it's slightly less, you know, it's not quite as extravagant as the Rothschild fella, which is just like, remarkable.
But actually when you dig into it, and probably just as sinister, this guy called Andrew Ruffin, and he's the chair of trustees.
And he's also the chief executive of a UK government-backed digital innovation facility based on the Olympic Park in East London, the former Olympic Park, called Plexel.
And Plexels are a fascinating proposition because it is essentially one of the main interface points between UK government and the advanced technology ecosystem that exists in this country.
And for my money, and I think we talked about this last time actually, this fusion between corporate and state power that we're seeing all over the place, that is the dictionary definition of fascism.
According to Mussolini, who invented fascism?
That's part of his definition of it.
He actually said fascism could also be called corporatism, because essentially the private sector and the state work to each other's ends.
They become the same thing.
And this Plexal organization, and I know people who work there by the way, I know people on the leadership team of Plexal who I used to work with in my previous life, I think that that is an organization of extraordinary power, influence and interest.
And as a standalone proposition, right, because you've basically got a whole bunch of government departments spending taxpayer money specifying digital control systems that they're using to reinforce the power of the state and to subjugate us ever more completely inefficiently, right?
That's what government's up to at the moment, using artificial intelligence, using these kind of all-pervasive devices, right?
Like that's absolutely what the government are up to, right?
So that's happening in Plexal.
That's bad enough, right?
That's the kind of, that's like, this is sort of true military industrial complex, black ops kind of stuff.
Like really, really dodgy.
But to have the chief executive of that organization also be the chair of My Life, My Say is remarkable. - No.
And for that information to be hidden.
So they don't want anyone to know that the trustees of My Life, My Say are who we now know who they are.
Very, very, very strange.
And a whole It's a cornucopia of conflicts of interest and ethical issues that have obviously just been ignored in the establishment of these organisations.
This is really bad stuff, I think.
Can I give you the Toby Young stroke normie take on everything you've just said?
Rothschild, nothing to see here.
Allegation rhymes with anti-semitism.
Radio 1 DJ, yeah of course they're going to get the kids in but it doesn't mean anything.
These kind of groups happen all the time but they're just toothless and it just it's just what it's just the way things are and then they don't have any influence in the real world i and and you know it's not just i mean i i take the piss out of toby there but it's not just toby loads of people will will just listen to the detail of that no i i
I don't think most people are listening to this podcast, but I think this is how, if you try to write an expose of it in the newspapers, a lot of people would just go, well, this is just kind of boring organisational stuff that happens in politics, but it never affects anything.
It's how these things infiltrate our system and come to take over everything, because apathy... Well, yeah, I mean, I refer you to what I just said about Plato, right?
I mean, it's like, you know, if you disengage from this stuff, then you'll end up being ruled by evil people, and everything that's happened over the past, well, not just three, four years, I mean, it's been going on for a lot longer than that.
We are ruled by evil people, and this is what the evil people are deciding to do with their time, right?
So the anti-semitism point is an interesting one, right?
It may have escaped the notice of some people watching the podcast, but I've actually got a Jewish surname.
My surname is Reuben.
I'm not Jewish.
I have Jewish heritage.
I'm actually Christian.
I was raised in an atheist household, but I went to Christian schools.
In the past few years, my Christian faith has become very important to me, but I do have Jewish heritage.
I've been involved in and gone to Jewish events recently where there are a bunch of people in the Jewish community getting extraordinarily concerned about rising antisemitism, not least in the freedom movement as it's described, and that's caused by
What they describe, these events that I've been to, they describe as Jews in name only, like people like the Rothschilds, people like Soros, people like Zelensky, stand up and say, well, we're Jewish.
So, well, you might be, but you aren't wholly representative of an entire race of people.
Yeah.
And actually, it's really important.
Really important, right?
For people who are fighting for the West, one of the fundamental things that makes the West great is that we operate at the level of the individual.
We respect the right of the individual.
I will not make assumptions about you Based on immutable characteristics such as race, gender, sexual orientation, skin tone, all of these ridiculous things that the left is so happy to do, right?
And all of this extreme political stuff that they're pushing is being presented in the context of, I mean, most of it's racial, right, let's just be honest, and actually what they're trying to do.
And by the way, you know, like, I actively invest time in understanding what's going on at every level of society, top to bottom.
And I don't mean that in a pejorative sense, but there are people who are street level people.
I don't mean they live on the street, but as in that's where they house themselves, although I do make sure that I spend time speaking to homeless people.
But there are people who are just street people, road men, you know, like they're out there, and a lot of them come from ethnically diverse immigrant communities, although they don't all come from ethnically diverse immigrant communities, and a lot of it is really just to do with poverty, actually, and there's plenty of poverty to go around.
But there are a lot of people who are on the street level, and you go and talk to them and say, what do you think is going on?
And they say, well, we think that they're trying to start a civil war.
Do they?
Yes, because they are trying to start a civil war, and they're trying to do it using racial politics.
So all this stuff that Blair and Coban and all of these, the trustees, all of these people are pushing up in the superstructure, yeah, because this is all disseminated down through the media and through You know, the distribution channels that are controlled by the establishment, like the BBC, like the newspapers, all of those things, that are supposed to be independent but they're fundamentally not.
That is causing serious problems at a street level, and not just for people who look like me and you, but for everyone.
Because no one wins if we end up in a civil conflict.
It's bad for everyone.
The only people who might benefit actually are people like Tony Blair and the Royal Family.
They would love it.
I was wondering this, Ben.
Where are these people planning to be when it all kicks off?
Is Blair going to be on a volcano island?
Are they all going to be in Costa Rica?
Apparently he's holed up somewhere near Oxford at the moment.
I've heard that Blair's got himself some compound just outside of Oxford and he's running his entire operation from there.
Okay, so they've got compounds, but... Yeah, the royal family have got, you know, they've got close protection, they've got, you know, there's a lot of people in the army who are still loyal to them, you know, and, you know, ostensibly they swear their oaths to protect the royal family, right?
So, you know, they probably think they're going to be alright.
Not just ostensibly, they do.
I mean, that is... I used to think of that as a good thing.
I used to think, well, If it all kicks off and Parliament goes rogue, we can always rely on the Royals to stand up for what it means to be really British.
Blimey, now I think... No!
They're a German Mafia family!
Yeah, I don't know which.
Yeah, they are.
They are.
The Saxe-Cobals.
I mean, you know, you just dig into this stuff for half an hour.
Go and have a look, people.
It's all out in the open.
You know, but unfortunately, a lot of the British population have basically got Stockholm Syndrome.
And, you know, well, you know, they're quite bad.
And obviously that stuff with Prince Andrew and Epstein is awful.
But, you know, we've got that lovely new what's-her-face.
Actually, I'm going to come on to her in a minute, actually, because she's involved in this as well.
make him more cool.
Oh is she?
Yeah yeah she is of course she's involved in this.
What?
Meghan Markle involved in race baiting?
I can't I just can't imagine that.
I mean, it's just, she's an appalling person.
She's a lovely woman.
She's been much reduced because of her ethnicity, which was so obvious to everyone.
Until she told us.
Yeah, right.
I mean, she's like, she's the whitest black woman who's ever lived.
She's the whitest.
She makes me look like Jamaican.
Generic posh bird.
She could just, she could come, she just looks like she, you know, came from Benenden or something.
Like, she's just a posh bird.
The idea that she, individually, is representative of an entire race of people is so ridiculous that it's difficult to know where to start with it.
But that's the level that they're operating at.
And she's perfectly happy to go in on this stuff.
And, you know, let's get into it, right?
You know, that's why we're here.
So we talked about the trustees.
We talked about the fact that there's a Rothschild family representative.
There's a guy that's running a UK government innovation lab, which looks like he's into some really dodgy stuff.
A whole bunch of other people on there.
But then you look at the partners.
And actually, I'll get on to Meghan Markle in a minute, but the partner list is absolutely crazy.
And partner number one, the first one listed on the website, is the U.S.
Embassy.
It's the U.S.
State Department.
And you know what their new address is?
What is it?
I don't know what the street is, but you know what the street number is?
Tell me.
Go on, guess.
Isn't it the 666?
No, it's the other one.
999? 33.
Oh, right, OK.
Yeah, OK.
Is it really?
Oh, goodness me.
I covered my eye by accident.
That was an accident.
It was an accident.
I'm not trying to do anything.
Yeah, the photographer made me do it.
Oh, no.
Stop it.
No.
Oh, goodness me.
I get enough... I actually get a lot of anti-Semitic abuse on various places.
So I could do with that, the cues of being a Mason as well.
But anyway, anyway.
So right, they're at number 33, are they?
Fantastic.
So the US Embassy is the US State Department.
These are the people that start all the wars.
Yeah.
All of them.
Yes!
All of them.
I mean, like Christ, look at, you know, how many countries did Obama invade?
Seven countries.
You know, with Hillary Clinton in the driving seat at the State Department.
These are the people to start the global conflict.
Yeah.
Right?
And that's partner number one listed on the My Life My State website, which is the Rothschild-affiliated organization that is engaging in A systematic reordering, or what they would like to be, a systematic reordering of British society.
It's absolutely disgraceful.
Right?
U.S.
State Department, number one.
This other one, this organization, One Young World.
Right?
And this is where Markle comes in.
Because she's been part of this since 2014.
Yeah, so pre-Harry.
Right?
And all of that stuff.
Pre-being a princess.
She was involved in this organisation, One Young World, and they actually ran one of the launch events for MLMS, for My Life, My Say, in conjunction with... Stormzy!
I wasn't surprised.
Stormzy's part of...
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, let's just not beat around the bush here.
Anyone at that level in the music industry, yeah, you're part of the club.
There's absolutely no doubt about it.
And you're saying all the right things and using all the same words and deliberately introducing racially divisive language into absolutely everything.
It's all over the place, right?
The music industry are terrible for it.
So One Young World helped launch My Life, My Say in 2021, or they launched it properly in 2021, with Sadiq Khan at the Mayor's office.
So they're absolutely entrenched in this, and it's basically a global non-profit that's focused on empowering and developing young leaders to build a fair, sustainable future for all.
And they do an event every year.
They got one coming up in Belfast in October.
And last year, they did one in Manchester.
And Meghan Markle spoke at it.
She was the keynote speaker, came out and did a little thing.
And, you know, it was pretty awful, to be honest with you.
But teeing her up, like the kind of the fluffer for Meghan Markle was Bob Geldof.
And you can actually go and watch this this speech that he gave and he basically says nationalism is appalling and has to be ended and we need globalist
world view that's it like we need a global system and they're just saying it out in the open yeah yeah they hate the nation state they hate i don't know where it comes from right this is the thing i really don't understand where this this this visceral hatred of The English, the British people, where does it come from?
What's wrong with them?
What's wrong with the nation?
I don't understand.
Well, any nation.
What's wrong with people having their own national identity?
Japanese being Japanese.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And also, it's a great example.
Why is it okay for the Japanese to refuse mass immigration, but not okay for us?
To refuse mass immigration and actually I know we have a unique ancient culture that we think needs to be protected and respected.
Apparently that's terrible.
We can't say those things.
No, and why is it okay for Israel to have apartheid, while simultaneously lecturing other countries on their moral responsibilities?
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't want apartheid, but, you know, that's essentially what they're running, and as I understand it, they don't really accept immigrants, right?
But, you know, there's one rule for them, one rule for everyone else, as they say, right?
You know, you see this stuff happening across the board.
But this organization, so on the partner list, right, we've got the U.S.
State Department, crazy, One Young World, which is basically just this globalist monstrosity.
And again, it's all about young.
We want young people.
We want to get our claws into you when you're impressionable.
And we're going to artificially manipulate the ideological environment that you're in.
Really bad ideas, right?
And this is, you know, this is, it's very easy for people to go, oh look, there's a, there's a, there's some white man sitting there saying that, um, things like critical race theory are bad ideas because it's bad for him.
So it's not just bad for me, it's bad for you too.
And also wildly, wildly inaccurate, yeah?
It's an extraordinarily crude and inaccurate misdiagnosis of what's happening and has been happening In western civilization, and it is deliberately so, yeah, our society is not purely defined by racism.
It's not.
Categorically not, yeah?
And I say that with my chest, and I will say that to absolutely every single citizen of this nation, yeah?
This country's not just purely racist, yeah?
And if people like My Life, My Say, or Mehdi Koban, or Sadiq Khan, or even, heaven forbid, someone with pale skin comes out and tells you that it is, then they're lying to you, yeah?
It's not true.
But this is what we get constantly fed, and ultimately it's a way of demoralizing, attacking, subjugating, and actually, interestingly, really, it's actually a way of colonizing us.
Yes, that's what we're looking at at the moment is basically reverse colonization.
Yeah, so the Western nations did have colonies.
I'm not saying that we should have colonies.
We should be going around the world invading countries, anything of the sort.
But then I also don't think on the flip side of that, that we should be expected to sit back and be colonized by immigrant populations bringing in these globalist, neo-Marxist, Ideologies.
It's just the same thing in reverse, and it was bad for you, it was bad for us too.
How about we just work it out, people?
And not by doing the things that these people are doing, which are fundamentally dishonest, manipulative, and designed to cause conflict.
As I said, they're trying to spark off conflict, and they're doing it through organisations like this, pushing the messages that they're pushing.
And it's coming from the people at the top, yeah?
Because, as I said, MBE, handed to Mettie Coban by Prince Charles, as he was at the time.
You've got Meghan Markle there talking about, you know, representing One Young World, who is a partner of My Life, My Say.
There's also another organisation called UK Youth.
Again, they love the young, they want to go after the young.
They want the adrenochrome, mate.
Yeah, I'm with you.
They want people before their frontal lobes are formed.
You're naive.
Well, it's, yeah, I don't know.
You can't think.
You're naive.
Yeah, you're naive.
I think you're young, you're naive, and also you're understanding, you have a much more shallow understanding of reality and actually how society operates.
Like, you know, you don't, you know, people talk about the Jews again, right?
Like, one of the things that I admire about the Jews, actually, there are a few things I admire about the Jews.
One of them is that they don't really view you as an adult until you hit 40.
Right?
So, until you're 40, you're a kid.
And I actually believe that.
And I've only just turned 40, right?
And actually, even in my late 30s, I believed that that was true.
You know, like, people, you sort of look like an adult, but you're not really.
Oh, I'm totally with you.
I don't think people should have the vote until they're 40.
Really not.
Really not.
I don't necessarily know about that, but I certainly think that lowering it to 16 is insane.
But anyway, right, so they're obsessed with the youth, and this organisation, UK Youth, has got a network of 8,000 Youth organisations.
There's 8,000 organisations.
Yeah, so let's, I don't know, let's say that there are 10, 15 people in each of these.
You're talking like 100,000 people potentially around the UK who are coordinated by this organisation, UK Youth.
And the patron of the charity is Princess Anne.
Oh no!
Yeah.
Oh Ben.
Was she the good one?
Did you like Princess Anne, James?
Well, you know why?
She likes horse riding?
Yes!
Ah, you're a bit of a fan, aren't you?
Yeah.
Well, I just thought she likes horses.
I seriously did.
She was my last redoubt in the royal family.
I thought, they're all Satanists, but not Princess Anne because she's an inventor.
She loves horses.
Yeah, just like...
People who like horses cannot be wrong.
So you've trodden on my dreams there?
I didn't think she was like that.
We all have our little cope, don't we?
Our little foothold in the old world.
Yeah, well, you know, I used to look at Harry and William, I used to think, yeah, like, they're probably alright, you know, I'm the same school year as Prince William, and, you know, like, I actually know people who went to school with him, and, like, you know, there was a bit of, felt, you know, obviously I'd never met him, and he lives a completely different life to me, but I at least, at least felt a little bit of affinity with the guy.
I thought you were about to tell me that you'd been at Eton with, with Prince William.
No.
I went to school with people who did go to Easton subsequently.
Well, I have to say, Ben, you do talk like a Newtonian.
Because a lot of them... a lot of them sort of... Oh, really?
Well, they all spend their whole lifetime pretending they didn't go to school, as they call it.
Except, of course, when they're among other people who went to school, in which case they might lightly hint that they went to school.
Right, yeah, and they start talking to each other in Latin and doing sort of... Just, you know, it's like... Talking about, do you remember, do you know about Cheese Club?
At Eton.
Are you familiar with Cheese Club?
Remind me about cheese, I don't know.
If you want to understand anything about the British establishment, then Cheese Club at Eton is a really good way of thinking about it, of understanding it, which is that you are absolutely, it is verboten, it is forbidden to drink alcohol at Eton.
You are not allowed to drink alcohol, unless it's at Cheese Club, in which case, You are able to get absolutely hammered because there is a legal loophole that's been created which allows you in that context with the certain type of supervision to you know get absolutely blagged on port or whatever it is that they drink right so like this it's like the the rules are very very very clear but there's always a little out.
I have to say, I think that's possibly a bit of an urban myth.
I think there are places, I think they have places where you can drink beer if you're above a certain age.
Oh really?
Yeah, yeah.
It's not quite as arcane as that.
But yeah, yeah.
I get the general point.
Yeah.
James is a lot posher than me, by the way, everyone, if you're watching.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.
But I have relatives who are.
So anyway, look, this is all being done with the blessing of the Royal Family, right?
And as I said as well, David Cameron's involved in it.
There's something called National Citizen Service, which is a government-funded I don't know, like, all these weird organisations, like, it's government funded, but it's non-governmental, but it's backed by the government, called the National Citizen Service, and it was launched by David Cameron as part of his Big Society initiative, if you remember that.
Yeah, I remember vomiting at it at the time, thinking, is this what I got temporarily excited for when I went to the, I went to Cameron's hustings where he talked about, he made his pitch for the Conservative Party leadership.
And I thought, yeah, Dave, I used to smoke weed with him in my rooms.
He's got to be, you know, he's going to be different.
He's going to be, um, he's, he's, well, at least he's better than whatever the other options are.
And they all turn out the same.
They all they all seem to have individual characteristics.
But you know that I was thinking about that as you were saying that the the George Carlin thing about it's a big club and you ain't in it.
And I was thinking how part of the way they operate is to pretend that that they have points of disagreement.
So you've got Megan Markle.
On the same committee or whatever as Princess Anne, who you'd think would hate Meghan Markle, and that Tony Blair, who's supposedly a man of the left, and they're always hardcore leftists, but somehow in bed with David Cameron.
So all these kind of...
All these spats they have and disagreement are on the most superficial things, and they are for the media.
They're tittle-tattle.
They're part of the theatre to give us the illusion that we live in a world where we're run by people who have valid differences of opinion and we can pick this team or that team because they're not the same.
And in reality, they are just the big club that is in cahoots.
In fact, I'd almost use a C word.
I'd say, do you know what, Ben?
I would say that this is one massive, massive cock-up.
I thought you were going to say conspiracy, but yeah.
No!
No, massive cock-up.
I think it's all planned, James.
Do you?
Yeah, of course it is.
What kind of tinfoil hat lunatic are you?
The news is a scripted TV programme, right, and these people are all actors in it.
Yeah.
So Markle and she is an actress.
Yeah.
Like it's so when she steps out, you have to understand that she's delivering her lines.
Yeah.
And this whole back and forth, you know, what these things that get dripped into the media like, oh, Harry and Meghan have gone away for a little bit.
But now they're going to come back, maybe.
But only if there's this level of apology made to them from the palace about this thing that they're all upset about.
It's like, this is just nonsense.
You might as well be watching EastEnders.
It's the same thing.
You know, like, they probably script it in the same way.
Seriously.
They are probably the distractor squirrel from Prince Andrew.
Yeah, absolutely.
Prince Andrew and then, you know, go up the chain a bit, you know, like Prince Michael of Kent, you know, he's the top mason in the country.
He's a Freemason.
Yeah, they're all masons.
Right, like, we know this.
Oh, and the stuff that Dickie Mountbatten got up to.
Oh, absolutely.
The guy was, yeah, he was an absolute pervert.
Yeah, yeah.
He was a real, you know... Pederaft.
Yes, yeah, he certainly was that.
And, you know, the dear uncle to the king.
Yeah.
The guy is in total degenerate.
And who was their trusted advisor?
Now or then, now or then.
As it happens.
Right!
Yeah, I mean...
Exactly, exactly.
Right, and now look at what's creeping out, creeping out, seeping out of the sides of the BBC, with Hugh Edwards of ITV, with Philip Schofield.
Like, it's absolutely rampant, it's everywhere.
You know, again, like I mentioned earlier, you know, if you go and listen to the Brian Gerrish interview that James did back in August or July, I think it was, you know, you want to understand, like, what the British state is actually there to do.
and how it works then that will give you a real insight into it right it's basically run on compromise run on uh the destroyed lives of stolen children yeah who are stolen from the British population by the state in order to
compromise political figures, media figures, and use them to affect the evil and nefarious plans of the British establishment.
It's been going on for centuries and it's still going on today.
And, you know, Meti Coban, if you're watching this, you probably will watch this.
And I'm sure your fellow trustees...
Do you think he will?
If he's got any sense, then he would be watching this.
Yeah, I mean, like, the idea that you would not want to actually hear what people are saying about you in public, I think, is remarkable, right?
You know, I did another post yesterday, where I did a UK column interview, and I did a post about this event called Anthropy.
Which is happening down at the Eden Project in November and one of the late Dame Julia something, I can't remember what her name is, who I spoke about in the podcast, actually looked at my list, who is a personal friend of King Charles.
I don't like saying that.
Not the Julia one who ran the Common Purpose thing, that one.
No, not on purpose.
She may well be involved with it.
She's basically a vice patron of a bunch of charities that Charles and Camilla are a patron of.
She's like their representative on earth at business in the community.
The National Literacy Trust and Teach First and a whole bunch of these charities, which again, they're all ostensibly, oh, it's the, you know, this is us giving back and, you know, we're trying to improve the lot of the people lower down the rungs and all that kind of stuff.
When you dig into it, it's like, no you aren't.
Like, you know, you've got a National Literacy Trust that's run by the royal family, but literacy rates are going backwards.
So you're going to take some responsibility for that?
Was that actually the outcome of what you've been doing?
It probably is just the outcome.
You know, as you were saying before, James, you know, judge them by the fruits.
You know, like if you've got the royal family backing a charity and the thing that it's supposed to be achieving is actually going in the opposite direction, you can pretty much guarantee that the end game was to send the thing in the opposite direction.
You can run that across pretty much every part of the system.
You know, like... They should just have cut to the chase and called it race war.
Yeah, right.
Race Civil War.
Well, yeah.
Kill Whitey.
Well, you know.
That would be good.
Yeah, I mean, there's plenty of people actually talking that language out there right now.
Great t-shirts.
Kill Whitey.
One settler, one bullet.
We actually are living in an extraordinarily dangerous time.
Right now.
I'm optimistic and I retain a lot of hope, right?
And that's primarily because I know, not least from my own personal life, that fundamentally, all the different immigrant populations, different groups in London, you know, despite what gets presented to people outside of London, the vast majority of us, we really get on.
You know, there's a lot of love, yeah?
I really love A lot of my friends who are from Jamaican backgrounds or other immigrant communities from, you know, all of the different diaspora from all around the world, right?
And we have everything here.
This is one of the beauties, I think, of London.
I've loved the diversity here.
Culturally, it's incredible.
But it can't be denied that we're actually living in a situation now where it has been artificially engineered The native European population, the people that have been here for hundreds, thousands of years, who are of the land in this country, are being deliberately subjugated and frankly replaced.
And that's happening in a whole bunch of different ways.
The environment has been constructed at an ideological, an economic, a political, a cultural level to affect that, and that is why we're beginning to see, you know, the re-emergence of far-right groups in the north of England, for example.
Oh, and this goes way back?
Yeah.
This has been planned since, I would say, at least the very early 20th century and probably mid-19th.
Yes, I agree.
You're looking at something that's been rolling out over hundreds of years.
You just used the term a minute ago, and I want to just build on that, right?
You talked about Kill Whitey, and James is a very sort of flippant and puckish and mischievous character, right?
And you can throw terms like that around.
But I want to needle in on that because it's quite important, right?
And actually, I'm not going to talk to the immigrant population straight off the bat.
What I'm going to do is talk to Whitey, basically.
Talk to people who look like me, look like James, yeah?
So there is a whole lot of stuff going on at the moment.
Whether it's mass illegal immigration, this critical race narrative that's getting pushed in the media, the way that all of this stuff's being pushed into the education system, the way that these left-wing zealots are coming after your kids in schools, all of this stuff is designed to provoke you.
It is designed to provoke a reaction from you.
That is a really good point, Ben.
And why I don't engage with it.
For example, just briefly before you carry on making your excellent point, it's why I tend not to share.
There's a thing doing the rounds at the moment about some awful church service in America where rainbow characters dressed up in animal outfits are doing it.
Yeah, Dallas.
I saw it, yeah.
I don't share this stuff because I think, no, I know exactly what this stuff is there to do.
It is designed to provoke.
We know this stuff is going on.
It is there deliberately to inflame us.
And sharing it does not help anybody.
No, no, it doesn't.
And reacting to it...
It doesn't help anyone either, because that's actually the point, right?
If you feel yourself getting riled up and angry, like vociferously angry, like you're going to explode because of this stuff that they keep on doing, understand that's what they want.
And if that flares up into violence, that's better for them.
Because actually what they would love right now is open civil conflict on the streets of the UK, so they can come in and clamp down In an absolutely draconian fashion, that's what they're driving towards, right?
And actually what it will also do is to help to to help build the narrative that people like the Metti Kobans and the Sadiq Khans and all like that, people like that want to promote, which is that actually white people, whatever the hell that actually means, because it doesn't mean anything.
Yeah.
Are somehow inherently bad and racist and violent and must be, you know, suppressed and got rid of in some way.
And they're just a problem that, you know, they're like a they're like a, you know, they're like a bug in the system that we've got to get rid of.
Right.
Because ultimately, that's where this worldview ends ends up taking us.
Yeah.
That's what they're pushing us towards.
Yeah.
If you understand, you know, how these communist regimes and if you don't think these people are communist, you need to go and understand a lot more about them.
Yeah.
Social justice is what the Khmer Rouge were talking about when they took power, right, in Cambodia in the 70s, and they killed nearly half of the population of the country on the basis of looking for social justice.
So every time you hear the word social justice, just bear that in mind, because it's exactly the same ideas, yeah?
These ideas are being put there deliberately to provoke you.
They want to provoke a reaction.
They want to come in heavy-handed.
They want to lock everyone down.
They want open conflict in the streets.
I've got absolutely no idea exactly what they're planning to do with all of these illegal immigrants that they're bringing over.
all these fighting age young men from countries that we spent the past 20 years invading thanks to people like tony blair and the u.s state department who are backing my life my say right who i'm sure i've absolutely no doubt are very much pro bringing all these people over and putting them into you know army barracks around the country yeah there's nothing suspicious about that at all right of course there is that is extraordinary i sometimes get attached by the more sort of um red meat eating
um listener um you're saying you know why aren't you why aren't you talking more about this stuff Look, I think it is outrageous and evil and terrifying that in every town, and actually in villages, even in my local village, they are Putting fighting-age men with zero loyalty to this country.
None.
You only have to go into one of those money-laundering outfits, aka these supposed Turkish barbers, that are springing up on our high streets to realise that these people bloody hate us.
They'd happily cut your throat.
They're not there to give you a service, in my experience.
Well, I don't know about that.
There's a lot of Turks in Hackney and I've got to know.
They're not Turkish, mate.
OK, fine, right, so... They're not Turkish.
I tried talking to them in Turkish, they didn't know what I was talking about.
OK.
I was using basic... no, no, they're not.
Yeah.
So don't... OK, fine, so you said Turkish, I just went with what you were saying.
No, no, no.
Essentially, you don't... we don't know where a lot of them are coming from.
And if they're coming from places like Afghanistan, for example, it's like, OK, well they... you know, that is an extraordinarily regressive culture that is anti...
Everything that the West stands for, and also remarkably, anti-everything that the progressives say that they stand for as well, right?
So they're massively homophobic, for example, right?
But none of this stuff actually makes sense.
But the point, I mean, you know, you can't even blame them for that, for their, or even, why are we even talking about their cultures?
The point is that the country is being flooded with people who have zero loyalty Their presence has not been explained.
Despite the occasional protestation that they're going to do something, our government and opposition have done, and are going to do, absolutely nothing to stop it.
Because this is all part of a globalist plan, called the Kalergi-Kudinhov plan.
It's been planned over...
Yeah.
The only reason I don't talk about it all the time is, what can you say?
What can we do?
It's like, the newspapers won't talk about it.
Because they're not interested in it, because they're all part of it too.
But the thing is, the people who actually are talking about it, I've had conversations with Jamaican elders about this stuff, and they think that it's insane that this is happening.
Yeah, so if you actually go and talk to the other immigrant populations, they're sitting there going, how can you possibly allow this to happen?
You're not going to have a country.
And actually, I think a lot of people, a lot of white people, don't want to talk about it because they're absolutely terrified of being mischaracterized as, oh, you're racist.
Oh, I'm not racist.
It's not racism.
It's common bloody sense.
Let's be honest, right?
But they've been conditioned, they've been conditioned like the twat sitting next to me at the cricket match, to think it is a valid cause of concern that he as a white person should be quizzed by a cricket club, by a gentlemen's club, well, a gentlemen's women's club now,
About his his views on race as if it had it was irrelevant to anything and he sort of it That's why I couldn't forgive him that he had accepted that and that man is representative of so many people in this country Sort of slightly lower tier intelligence just you know enough to get a decent enough job But then be grateful for it and the price they pay for for having a job where they're paid beyond their actual intellectual Abilities is that they have to suck it up.
They have to suck up the system Yeah, they can't question it Yeah.
Anyway.
But look, I was talking to Whitey.
Yeah, tell Whitey.
My countrymen, my fellow Englishmen and women, don't let them get to you, right?
We can see what's going on here, and if you're concerned about it, you should be concerned about it, and there's nothing wrong with being concerned about it, right?
The idea that we should just be wholesale importing essentially what could very well be an invading army is just completely insane.
And there's nothing wrong with pointing that out, right?
But what I also can't, we can't see, and I am seeing this a little bit, and I go all over the place, like, deliberately, to understand what's happening in these different telegram groups and, like, on the ground, right?
I don't want to see language which is, you know, all these filthy asylum seekers, all these, you know, like, they're human beings, yeah?
They come from a different culture to us, and I don't think that they should be here, and they're certainly not Um, you know, refugees, like they're at best economic migrants, right?
And potentially they're not even that.
Potentially there's some of them that are coming here for other reasons that are much darker than just trying to get onto the benefit system.
But we do have to treat them with a level of respect, yeah?
And I think that that's important, that dehumanizing anyone who is one of our brothers or sisters.
Like we are all part of the human race.
It's really, really important to just to kind of draw that line in the sand.
And then in terms of the immigrant populations of the UK, you know, like particularly, you know, as I say, I know a lot of Jamaican people.
And I know for a fact that being a Jamaican in this country through particularly the 60s, 70s, 80s, that was an extraordinarily difficult time, right?
Like, they actually talk about it as the tribulations.
It has like a biblical sense to it.
Yeah, and they were outcast, they were lied about in the media, they were racially abused on a daily basis.
I still see that happening today.
I know people like to say that this country's not racist and it's not, you know, but actually there is actually a lot of racism.
But that does go both ways, yeah.
So you see a lot of white toward black racism, but you see it happening the other way as well.
This idea that black people can't be racist is just nonsense.
Of course you can.
I can understand why you might be, given what you've lived through in this country, or some of you have lived through in this country, but the idea that you can't be racist, that's just nonsense, yeah?
It's basically a lie made up to sit within this neo-Marxist worldview, this critical race theory worldview.
Well, you know, which actually says that racism is a societal construct, yeah?
And basically that That's what our system is, yeah.
Yeah, I kind of agreed with you a bit earlier.
My view, and I think it's the right view, is that all these tensions, all the tensions in our country, all the divisions, not just in our country but around the world, whether they're religious or racial or to do with this new thing they've invented called gender or any of this or this nonsense about sexuality,
It is totally engineered and planned at a supranational level by the people who've run the world since time immemorial.
And it's part of their plan, but it's divide and rule.
And that's the end.
You don't need to waste time saying that maybe there's some racism and some... I don't need that shit because it's boring and it's not...
It might be boring to you, Jones, but it's actually an important thing to establish, because the thing that happens is that someone from an immigrant background will say, look, I experienced racism, or we experienced racism, and the gut reaction of a lot of people
is to say well we don't live in a racist society it's like okay but the thing is there is actually there is it exists yeah but i'm not sure i'm not sure that it's very on brand for the i think i accept what you say without it needing to be said frankly on this podcast all right fine is what i'm thinking all right james i i will accept some editorial direction for you in the heat of the moment and we can talk about something else if you want No, this sounds like I'm wrapping it up because it's not that.
I think actually you've expressed, well you've talked about your research brilliantly.
Articulately you've made some really good points, and I'm actually I'm very glad I had you on the show because I read your piece And I thought this is interesting, but is it going to make a good enough podcast and You're quite pushy.
I'm in a good way Would you have to be with me because otherwise the I mean I've got a I agree to do podcasts with people and I forget that I can't find their email because I can't remember is it on Telegram or Signal or WhatsApp or Twitter DM or email and I go through them and I just it's hopeless so if you're one of those people Just, you know, give me a prod.
It's not like I was lying to you and I wanted you on the podcast.
I didn't want you on the podcast, but I said I did.
It's purely because I've just lost your email, lost your contact, and write to me again.
Yeah?
Yeah, but Ben, you got through.
You penetrated.
I did.
Well, that's good to hear.
Like Klaus Schwab.
You penetrated my cabinet.
I'm glad that I managed to do that, because I'll be honest with you, the article that I wrote on Substack, my Substack is riseuk.substack.com, by the way.
You should go and check that out.
I wrote it, and the thing is, I got Trigger happy with it, because I'm actually not happy with the article, I thought it should have been longer, but I was sitting on the information, I was sitting there, I actually got quite paranoid, I was like, am I, am I like the only person that knows about this?
Like, I just need to get it out, get it out, away from me, and public, because the thing is, once it's public... Yeah, let Delingpole get assassinated, not me!
No, but it's like, I don't know!
Honestly, seriously, and people think, you know, like, if you're listening to this and you think that that's a far-fetched thing, I mean, look at who we're talking about.
We're talking about the British state.
Yeah, like... Yeah, but the thing is, Ben, what they... what... we've got one thing over them.
That if they kill us, we go to heaven for eternity.
Whereas they, we know where they're going and it certainly ain't heaven.
It totally is not.
That's certainly true.
And there's also something called the Streisand effect, right, which I think fits here, which is basically, if you knock off Danny Paul, you're basically saying he's right.
And then all of a sudden the audience increases by about a hundred times and everyone's going through everything going, oh my goodness me, this is why they decided to get rid of him.
And I think this, but hopefully touch wood.
It's the same thing's true for me.
I hope so.
Because I want to be here for the next bit.
I mean, that's, you know, we spend a lot of time... What, the Tribulation?
No, I think, well, I mean, I feel like we're probably in the Tribulation, at least in part, right?
But I think that we're going to go through... We need to fundamentally reshape and rebuild society and that's actually going to take some really bloody hard work.
And the sooner that we can cut through all of this nonsense and people like Tony Blair and Mettie Cobain and Clegg Cameron, Lammy, Davey, Glenn Manning, you know, all of these people, these agitators, these basically, these are the overseers in the global slave system who are constructing a situation where they can manipulate and coerce the global population,
i.e. the slaves in the system, into accepting and, i.e. the slaves in the system, into accepting and, you know, acquiescing to a whole bunch of stuff.
The sooner that we can get these people out of the way, yeah, and we can actually, as a nation, as communities, start to coordinate and to heal and to rebuild out of this into a new reality, the better.
Yeah, which is why it's important for people like James and I to have these conversations.
It's why, you know, the Dailing Pod's a fantastic thing that gets listened to around the world and has an enormous amount of value.
And this one, you know, I think we've, we've, I'll be honest with you, I've been avoiding some of these topics.
I've not talked about BLM publicly before.
I've not talked about any of this stuff.
We've had a good old, we've had a good old ramble, Ben.
I liked, I liked, I liked it when often different, I'm glad I could get my MCC story in.
Yeah, we can talk about, you know, explore your knowledge of Rastafarianism and I.N.I.
Anyway.
I.N.I.
Rastafari.
I.N.I.
Rastafari.
So, um, I'm going to go now.
Um, Ben, but before we go, just remind us again where we can find your stuff.
Two places.
The first one is riseuk.substack.com and that's where I talk about things like what we've been discussing on the show today and the absolute car crash nightmare that is the British establishment, the NHS, UK government, all of it.
It's just a Absolute mess.
It's got to be examined and we've got to sort it out.
And then the place where we do the sorting out, right, which is actually, it certainly seems to be the place where people are much more engaged with at the minute because it's a much more optimistic and hopeful topic.
Yeah, the comeback It is another project that I run called Pattern.
You can find that at pattern18.substack.com p-a-t-t-e-r-n-1-8.substack.com and that is where we are building the future of Great Britain and it's going to be a future Great Britain which is exponentially better, more hopeful, wealthier, healthier and more prosperous for the whole of the country than the one that Tony Blair and his mates are trying to push us towards.
Well, you're starting from a low bass, so you've got that.
Well, it's all uphill, but it's all, you know, it's going to be fantastic, actually.
My battery is now signalling to me that this has gone on long enough.
Alright.
Great talking to you, Ben.
It only remains for me to thank my viewers and listeners for, thank you for your support.
I really appreciate those of you who buy me coffee, support me on Local, Subscribestar, Substack, Patreon.
Really, really kind of you, and I'd appreciate a few more of you.
I keep grumbling about this.
I think it's a bloody outrage that Tom Holland gets £70,000 a month for talking about history, which we know is... OK, I'm sure he's a good talker, but all the history that we get taught is fake.
Who's Tom Holland?
Yeah, Tom Holland and that other guy.
What's he called?
The BBC?
The rest is history.
And, of course, it enriches Gary Lineker, which is itself a terrible thing.
Oh, goodness me.
But people love it.
Normies love it.
And so I think you should support me and enable me to have a, you know, to be able to earn a crust.
