Brian Gerrish is a former Royal Navy Officer turned truth seeker. He patiently explains to James that no, he wasn't in submarines, he specialised in anti-submarine warfare. Now he appears regularly on UK Column, formerly a newspaper, now a TV show, which he co-founded with Mike Robinson. Brian tells James why he wears a tie on the show, about his battles with demons and Common Purpose, about spiritual warfare and, most chillingly, about the British state's complicity in child abuse
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Welcome to The Delling Ad with me, James Dellingpole, and I'm really excited about a very special event I've got coming up quite soon with our old friend Clive DeCarle.
This is my first, well actually it's my second, I lie, or maybe my third, my third Dellingpole event outside London and the smaller events are really good.
I mean they don't have the crowds of the London events but They're more intimate and you get more chance to spend quality time with James.
Anyway, my special guest is Clive De Carl and if you turn up you can discover all sorts of exciting things like is Clive's voice really as silky and yet sort of strangely nicotine stained as it sounds on the podcast?
Can he really be that laid-back in real life?
Of course, maybe you want to ask him how you cure the Big K. The Big K, of course, is something completely different from cancer.
And as you know, it's illegal to talk about any alternative methods of treating cancer.
But Clive can talk about all sorts of other conditions which are quite similar, like the one beginning with K. And we'll talk about other things as well.
I think Clive is keen to talk about the battle for freedom and what we can do to escape the encroaching tyranny.
Anyway, The event is in Dorset.
I thought, you know, I'd give the South Coast a chance to experience the Deling Pod.
And it's not far, it's outside Poole at a venue called the Hamworthy Club, if any of you know the Hamworthy Club.
It kicks off about seven, I might change the time and make it a bit earlier, I don't know yet, but seven roughly.
And it's on the 28th of July.
I didn't even mention that, did I?
I didn't mention the key detail.
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It's going to sell out fairly quickly.
My events tend to.
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And I really look forward to meeting you.
Those of you I've met before and those of you I've never had the joy of meeting.
Anyway, it's going to be fun.
Of course it's going to be fun.
Look forward to seeing you there.
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Um, first of all, and the apology is for not having you had you on the podcast earlier.
I mean, you're a legend.
Well, James, thank you very much for that.
But of course, it's not quite true, is it?
Because you did offer me a slot and then I can't remember what came up, but something came up at the last moment and I couldn't do it.
So I'm going to say you, you were kind enough to invite me some months ago, but I couldn't make it.
It's very decent of you to take the blame, but I would say it's much more down to my flakiness.
Actually, to another thing, it's like... There are sort of more esoteric podcast guests, especially the ones in America, talking about things like, I don't know...
Flat Earth or Aliens.
I haven't done that.
I haven't done Flat Earth or Aliens.
But I've always thought, Brian's always going to be there, ready for, you know, and he'll deliver a perfect podcast.
I came upon you in my normie phase, when I was sort of transitioning, if you like, into, slowly the seeds of awakeness were being sown within me.
And we used to go on holiday every year to Wales, to this place on the Welsh borders near Bilth Wells.
And on the road into Bilth there was this little sort of hut thing where they sold free-range eggs.
But they also... I'm not imagining this, am I?
They sold a copy of UK Column, which is a newspaper as well as a TV series.
Well, that's a very interesting story.
Is that right?
Well, we started off from producing a little A5 sheet.
Well, it was A5 which gave us four A4 sheets if it was folded in half.
That's where we started many years ago and then eventually we were producing a newspaper which was very like the light is now.
And we were able in the beginning, because of a very generous lady who donated to us, we were able to print quite a few thousand copies a month.
And what we did is we distributed those to a number of key people around the country.
Each one of them might take several hundred newspapers and they then distributed them in their local area.
So we could never be entirely sure where the newspapers ended up, but we were certainly pushing them out across the country.
Scotland and Wales were included.
And the other thing we discovered is that many people, if they read it and liked it, would then pass it on to a friend, or they might put it in an envelope and send it to a friend or a family member in another part of the country.
So in those early days, we could often get, maybe speak to somebody and we'd say, how did you find us?
And they would say, well, I read a copy of the column.
We didn't distribute in that area, but somebody else had sent it to them.
Yeah.
I can't imagine that there are many people who follow this podcast who haven't come across you on UK Column News.
But just in case they haven't, tell us what it is and what you do.
Okay, well, essentially UK Column is now a media outlet.
We produce news live via the internet three days a week.
We also put out a lot of interviews with people.
We have done some documentaries and we've also done quite a lot of panel discussions, so Doctors for Covid Ethics.
We've done Well, we did a lot on the Covid saga and lockdown, but we've recently facilitated the event in Totnes, which was Sandy Adams challenging the local town council on matters to do with 15-minute cities and Agenda 2030.
So we're essentially media.
We're mainly in video, but the website's got a lot of articles on it as well.
On many different subjects and many different styles and we are doing our best to provide quality media challenging what the legacy media have put out, certainly the BBC and the big newspapers, and trying to get, you know, an accurate alternative view on what is happening in these crazy times.
Yeah.
There's really nothing like UK Column, I think.
One of the things I like about what you do is that it's got bottom.
I mean, it's quite dry.
It's a lot drier than, say, my conversational, slightly wacky style.
But the thing about people like me is that although we're partly in the business of entertainment, There's a risk that we might be dismissed as a bunch of crazy lightweights, whereas I think anyone sitting down and watching UK column news would think, well, these are people who do care about facts and they do care about their research.
What did you say?
Well, we certainly do try and do that, but just to set the scene a little bit, we started out with feeling that if we were going to get traction in what we call Middle England, and what do we mean by that?
We mean probably people that have got a decent job, people who are also people who might label themselves as professional, We believe that if we were to make any impact in getting truth and facts out about what's really happening we needed to engage with Middle England.
Now I'm using that expression on England but it applies to Scotland and Wales and anywhere in the world.
We wanted to
Grab hold of people in the centre of society who were capable of thinking for themselves, they got some professional base, and our logic was that if we could grab those people, they were capable of making change in their own organisation, whether they were involved in the NHS or the police or education, wherever it was, we said what we've got to do is get hold of the central core.
And we felt to do that, we had to be very measured.
We made a decision that we weren't going to use any bad language on any of our programmes, so there's no swearing.
We might include swearing if it's part of a reported article, but certainly we never swear.
And my little joke is that I still wear a tie.
And people say, but Brian, why do you wear a tie?
And I say, I wear a tie Because I'm trying to engage other people who wear suits and ties.
And so I hope that they see me and think, well, OK, he's properly dressed.
Maybe I'm going to pay attention to him.
And I'm going to say, we've got reason to believe that this policy has worked.
Because we are now getting a good engagement with people in Middle England.
We've had a lot of professionals come on to be interviewed.
We've had our MPs with Sir Christopher Chope and Andrew Bridgen more recently and we've had a lot of very senior professionals from in the NHS and indeed medical professionals overseas and I think one of the reasons they've come to us is that we are measured, we're quiet in the way we put information across, we try and be as accurate as we can if we make mistakes
We admit it and correct it and so yeah I think our style has been about right.
It can be a bit dry but we're in serious times and another danger of being a little bit light-hearted and flippant is that you can take the heat off a subject which people really need to understand is an exceptionally serious subject.
So, we are more light-hearted in the UK column extras, where members can come into a bit of extra time after the news.
Then we deliberately relax and we show a bit more of ourselves.
Yes, we've got a sense of humour.
Yes, we can have a light-hearted chat about lots of things.
But the UK column, we've always tried to go with this very measured style.
It's interesting to see that the measured way you call it dry which it certainly is style was is Calculated rather than a sort of accidental fact that you know, you're a bunch of sort of middle-aged middle-class blokes Which is interesting because I wonder whether that's You come from a military background.
So you understand psychological warfare you understand how these things you understand the game and You were in the submarine service, weren't you?
No, I wasn't.
That's a really important one to correct, James, because submariners jealously guard... See, we're much more cavalier with our research than the Deling dogs.
We ask the questions and they get fact-checked as we answer them.
I was what they would call a skimmer, so I served in warships, floating on the surface, But my specialism in the Royal Navy was anti-submarine warfare.
So my job was... Killing submarines, not climbing them.
Finding the submarines.
I did do a couple of very short trips in submarines in order to learn how things were done and experience it.
But my expertise was It was out principally finding and tracking those nasty Russian nuclear submarines in the Atlantic or off the eastern seaboard of the state.
And as part of your training, were you shown that scene in the cruel sea where they drop the depth charges amidst the floating shipwrecked sailors?
Well, the concept is still there.
Depth charges don't get dropped in that way and most of the technology to destroy submarines is about launching torpedoes at the submarine so the torpedo leaves the helicopter or the surface ship and then goes on its own search pattern to find and hit and hopefully destroy the submarine.
It's a bit like an upgraded anti-tank guided weapon.
Right.
Now that you're fully awake, probably even more awake than you were in your early days when you were just running a newspaper, do you look back on your career in the Navy and all that stuff you were fed about the Russians being, you know, the demonisation of the Russians and so on?
Do you feel now that you were sold a pub or do you think there was an element of truth in what you were told?
Well I think my reaction would be that there was more than an element of truth at the time because my time in the Navy was absolutely Cold War.
I was in the Navy from 72 to 93 so I was right across key Cold War time and of course at that time we were dealing with
The communist regime within Russia and Eastern Europe and that was clearly not a nice regime you know you had you had the KGB operating you had the secret police in Germany and it was quite clear that under the surface in in Russia in the Eastern Bloc There was some pretty nasty stuff going on.
And there was clearly sufficient weapons within the Russian Warsaw Pact armoury to be posing a severe threat to Western Europe.
So, at that time, a lot of it was correct.
Where my belief system changed completely, Was that at that time I believed, okay, Russia and the Warsaw Pact pose a threat to the democracy and freedoms of the West.
What I didn't understand was that the democracy and freedoms of the West were largely illusionary and I was living effectively in What I'm going to describe now is a police state, but you couldn't actually see it.
It had a veneer of respectability over the top of it, but the reality was that UK and the US, and really particularly within the European Union project, you were looking at another dictatorship.
So now I believe I have a much more balanced opinion because my view on Russia has softened.
My view on my own country and the West in general is very much hardened.
And I think we now live in a despicable regime because democracy, as I say, is largely illusionary.
We have vile things happening under the surface.
Everything from people being beaten up and killed in police cells to children and babies stolen from their parents.
But we stand on the platform of the world stage lecturing other countries on, you know, how to conduct law and order and democracy.
It's outrageous.
Yeah.
I totally agree with you, obviously.
But I was just wondering, was it not ever thus?
I mean, so definitely in the 1970s, for example, we had Ted Heath as the Prime Minister.
And we know about some of the shenanigans he got up to on Morning Cloud.
So, our political class and our system has been utterly corrupted, certainly well within our lifetimes, but do you think it goes back?
How far back do you think this goes?
Well, ultimately it goes back a long way.
If we're using a loose expression, corruption within The political class is in the political system.
I think the criminality and the corruption goes back a long way, but I believe that if you go back in time, the corruption was within a certain element, and there were good people who served as politicians, and I think there were people serving as politicians who had Correct values in truth, in facts and lies and morality.
But now I believe that effectively we are controlled by a... it's a government of occupation, it's a criminal cabal is now running the country.
And the corruption is all-encompassing, it's pervasive, it's everywhere.
So, no, things were never perfect in the past, but I think we're into a new era now.
And the reason that my own view changed so quickly was because very quickly when we began to report on simple things like fraud and corruption in Plymouth City Council or in other cities across UK, that's where it started, fraud and corruption.
But once we were putting out articles and information, giving a lot of public talks, I think over the years I've given about 360, maybe closer to 400 public talks, talking about what's happening in the country.
It was during one of, or shortly after one of my talks that I was approached by a woman.
What she actually said to me was that her I think the little girl was about 10.
Her 10 year old daughter was stolen at gunpoint in America by Neath Port Talbot Social Services.
That's what she said to me on the phone.
And of course that's an incredible claim and as I listen to her talking about this half my brain is saying this cannot be true.
She subsequently came to visit me in Plymouth
I brought a wheely suitcase full of court documents and I spent a couple of days going through those documents with her at the end of which I was fully satisfied that every part of her story was correct and if I tell the story as quickly as possible a little girl ended up in intense pain it got so bad she couldn't go to school but there was no remedy from the GP
There was no remedy from local hospitals.
So the mother in turmoil with a little girl who was in intense pain.
When the mother tried to defend herself that the little girl wasn't capable of going to school, the local social services accused the mother of Munchausen by proxy, i.e.
that she was attempting to get a psychological thrill out of, apologies, out of labelling her
out of labelling her daughter as ill and the mother eventually got so desperate let me deal with my phone before I embarrass myself the mother got so desperate that she eventually located a hospital in Florida that dealt with stomach issues and the main site of the pain was connected to the stomach so she flew the little girl to Florida to this hospital
The grandfather, the lady's father, went with them.
The girl was in hospital for a couple of days and there was a diagnosis.
The day before the little girl was due to be released, Neathport Talbot Social Services turned up with an American policeman.
The grandfather got a bit stroppy because they said we're going to take the girl and the American policeman did draw the gun.
So that part of the story, absolutely correct.
The little girl was then flown back to the UK on a false passport.
She was put in a juvenile type psychiatric facility where initially she was told her pain was imaginary.
The diagnosis from the hospital was that the little girl had Zollinger's disease, which is multiple ulceration of the gut, intensely painful, and even when the mother convinced the local authority of that diagnosis, and they agreed with it to the extent that the girl was given appropriate medication for that medical complaint, the little girl was never given back to her mother.
And that was the first story that came to me.
I reported on it.
I also did a talk in South Wales about this particular case.
And some months later, Ian Crane, who ran for a number of years the Alternative View conferences, he gave me the opportunity to speak.
I gave a talk about child stealing by the state and that was the UK government and its agency stealing people's babies and children and from the time I did that talk my phone never stopped, my emails never stopped.
And my life was never the same again because more and more largely mothers came forward telling me how their children had literally been stolen by the UK state.
And this was my baptism in fire to understand that when we look out the window at the governments and the child protection agencies and the police, we are looking at a complete illusion
Because the ultimate, I call it the fuel of corruption in this country, is the taking of children, the abuse and trafficking of children, either for pure profit or for control of individuals.
And just to finish, what do I mean by that?
Well, if you want to control a politician, you can try bribes and money and women or men or drugs, whatever it is.
But they are all becoming very acceptable now.
But what are you left with?
Well, there's murder, which is a difficult one, or else there's getting involved with little children.
And my firm belief is that the control system of politics in this country is paedophilia and the abuse of children.
We've gone in deep there, Brian.
I mean, we haven't quite got as far as adrenochrome and ritual satanic abuse, but we're not far away from it.
James, this is my journey.
My journey into waking up to what was going on went from Fraud and corruption in Plymouth to the extent that when I and some other good people tried to expose it, we were threatened.
We used hypodermic needles, put in flower baskets outside my house.
A friend of mine had a fire set.
It was the wrong house.
They set a fire outside his neighbour.
They got the wrong door.
That was when we tried to expose fraud and corruption in Plymouth.
But what followed our investigations into fraud and corruption went straight to the stealing and abuse of children.
And that theme has never gone away, even though I've been quite quiet about it for several years.
That has been because I've been trying to help people embedded in the system.
And I'm going to say fairly shortly, I'm going to be back on the trail of this.
Because this is what runs the country.
That's really interesting, and you've actually answered my question.
I was going to ask you what it was that took you down the rabbit hole.
And there it is, that incident with that rabbit.
How well did you know Christopher Booker?
I've spoken to him a couple of times.
I never got the opportunity to actually sit down with him.
I paid attention when he started to report some of these issues, but that's the truth of it.
I was never able to fully engage with him.
Sorry, go ahead.
No, well, Christopher was kind of like my honorary dad.
We used to have long... I mean, I love my dad, he's still with us.
Christopher no longer is.
We used to have regular conversations, maybe at least once a week, where we'd talk for... Booker could never stop speaking on the phone, so the conversations would go on for hours, and they'd range from, you know, his family history and his schooling to the issues of the day.
And he was kind of a mentor to me because he showed me that what was being covered in the mainstream news was not necessarily where the real stories were.
And it's just very interesting.
I think he was the best journalist of his generation, the one with the most integrity.
And given how mainstream he was, given that he was the co-founder or the founder of private eye, he was very media establishment, wasn't he, in a way.
It's interesting to see where his interests lay and one of them was what he called the family courts.
He said the family court system was very opaque and you could see that whenever he covered these issues about custody being taken away from parents to councils or whatever, children being stolen effectively, there was
The system that you and I and Christopher have been brought up to trust as kind of the envy of the world, you know, this model of respectability and decency and Magna Carta and English common law, all this pabulum that gets fed to us in columns by sort of conservative columnists telling us why we won the lottery and life being in Britain.
So, Christopher was bumping up at the edges of that in the Sunday Telegraph, and he got away with reporting it, but it's clearly... I mean, you're right, it is the thing.
Once you understand that the economy is run on, or the political system is run on traffic, children and compromat, you're in there pretty deep.
Well, yeah, and let's...
Christopher Booker did a really good job in the cases that he reported and he did stick with the subject but he was one person and a lot of journalists actually very interesting isn't it because you've just written an article for the Conservative Woman talking about journalists not reporting things Is that right?
Yeah.
So I'm going to say he didn't get any support from fellow journalists.
In fact, there were a lot of journalists who spend their whole time poo-pooing the idea that there are paedophile gangs who are taking children.
But if we do a simple little calculation, Roughly 65,000 children in care in the UK.
In fact, it could be a lot higher than that now, but I'm going to take a figure of 65,000.
For a child to be in care, they have got to have gone through at least one court system.
And if you add up the amount of money that circulates around the court hearing to take the child, I'm just going to use one court, there could be several, but we'll say one.
If you add up the amount of money that changes hands, it's about a quarter of a million.
Because everybody is being paid.
The social services are being paid, the psychiatric experts that are asked to give an opinion on mum or on the children, or the psychologists who are going to give a report.
They're all earning money.
A lot of money.
The Guardian had litims from organisations like CAFCAS.
Ultimately, they're earning money.
So, if you just put a handful value on one court case, it's a quarter of a million.
So, if you multiply the 65,000 children in care by a quarter of a million each, that's before you get into long-term residential care.
You are talking about a multi-billion pound industry.
That's before you've got a child that maybe has got additional problems, so severe autism or special learning needs, whatever it is, where private companies can be earning several thousand pounds a week for looking after those children.
And children that are looked after are big bucks for a lot of people.
That's before the children are taken out of those facilities and trafficked for prostitution or porn films or whatever they're going to do with them.
So children, as a commodity, are worth a fortune.
That's where it starts.
Yes.
And we are conditioned by the media and by TV programs like drama series and things, probably the Bill and stuff, to think of there are these children in abusive households.
I mean, I mean, this is why I presume we get stories like Baby P in the media, that there are these abusive households with these abusive parents, and the benign and loving state removes these abused children from these households and puts them in the tender care of and the benign and loving state removes these abused children from these households and puts them in the tender care That's the kind of narrative, isn't it?
That is absolutely the narrative.
Now, are there children who are abused and badly treated in the family home?
Of course there are.
But where the system is something completely different is that if we examine what the so-called child care system is, we find we're dealing with a monster.
If I just mention a couple of other things.
How do they get the children?
Well, of course, they take the children through the family court system.
And what's special about the family court system?
There is no jury present.
There is simply a judge in a room which forms effectively a star chamber.
On rare occasions, one or two members of the press could be allowed in, but normally there's no jury and there's no press.
And if you want to understand what goes on in these courts, the only way you can get in is to act as a Mackenzie friend for the parents.
And in my early days in this subject, when I was trying to help parents and learn, I did indeed go into these courts.
And what I witnessed was just horrific, because all sorts of accusations could be thrown at the parents by Child protection, social services, you know, the mother has got mental health problems, the mother is anxious, the mother is this, the mother is that, and then the onus is on the mother, sometimes the father, to prove their innocence in a secret court.
And they start out on a hiding to nothing, because the state We'll have a number of people ranged against them.
They will have the local social services team.
They will have the psychiatric or psychology team acting on behalf of the court and social services.
They will have the CAFCAS team.
They will have the guardian ad litem.
Who is an appointed solicitor who's supposed to have the child's best interests at heart.
All of those people are ranged against the mother and father.
Most of them won't have a bean to rub together in order to get their own legal defence.
And even if they do get a legal defence, those people are operating within a secret court.
And so we shouldn't be surprised that in case after case, the ruling of the court is that they're going to take the children.
Because the moment they take the children, the money starts to circulate.
Wow.
Do you know what?
I got a taste, just a hint of, just a taste of the very tip.
Of this scary system.
Um, to mix my metaphors.
That, when I was, when my children were younger, we used to live in, um, in Camberwell.
And, every now and again, as you know, children, they get, they get bumps, or they get, you know, they fall over, or one child throws something at another and hits it in the head, or whatever.
Or they get their arm twisted, and maybe the arm comes out of their socket.
And I remember when you took your children in to casualty, the zeal with which you were questioned by the doctors and nurses about the injury and how it was sustained, and it was clear that they were angling to be able to pin this on you, the parent.
And I thought, if this is what they try and do with articulate, middle-class parents, I imagine they'd do it tenfold with people who are less articulate and probably would have less money to back themselves.
The answer to that is one... You said Camberwell, did you?
Yeah.
And my response to that is that...
Camberwell and the London inner boroughs have always been exceptionally dangerous territory for this sort of thing going on.
But yes, you're absolutely right, you would have been severely questioned and I think that comes about for two reasons.
One is that people within the NHS, the nurses and doctors, would have been indoctrinated with the belief, questioned the parents, And they would have been indoctrinated against the parents and for the idea that child protection services are squeaky clean and protect children.
Whereas I fully believe the reverse is true.
And many cases, including cases that have been reported in the legacy press over the years, have started with very simple things that happened, the child fell down the stairs or did something, and then that was turned around and used against the children.
I have an individual, I am not allowed even to say the sex of the individual that's in contact with him at the moment, Newborn babies taken from that family within days of birth with no evidence of harm or potential harm against those babies at all.
They've already We've been taken into care, in inverted commas, where the parents are only allowed to visit them as they're now just over a year old.
The parents are only allowed to visit them three times a week and the mother wasn't allowed to breastfeed her own babies because Child Protection Services deems that this wasn't necessary.
And of course what happens to the parents is pure mental torture, particularly the mothers, because the baby or the young children are taken away and then she is only allowed to meet those children in highly uncontrolled environments, where sometimes the mother is not allowed to even hug the child or the children and she's not allowed to say that she loves them.
When I learned...
When I learnt from going into the courts and seeing this array of people making utterly false accusations against the parents, I was stunned.
But in one particular court hearing where I was alongside parents, mum and dad, the local authority claimed that I had personally tried to break into a
A contact centre, one of these contact centres in South Wales and on the day in question I was actually at the UK Column studio in Plymouth and I subsequently got six witness statements of people to say that when this claim, well the claim that I'd Tried to break in and have been made.
I was in Plymouth, 100 plus miles away.
And in the next court hearing, when my statements were presented to the judge, he looked up, he grinned and he said, Oh, Mr. Gerrish, I rather think there's been a mistake made.
And I said to him, well, this is not a mistake.
This is perjury.
No, no, no, Mr. Gerrish.
I think, I'd rather think that the local authority has made a mistake.
And when I pushed the point a bit, and remember that I was only there as a Mackenzie friend, he then said to me, Mr Gerrish, let me tell you this, if you dare to report any of the proceedings that have taken place in this family court, I will put you in prison.
And that really, for me, was the stage at which I understood what was going on.
But I'm contacted, I'm now, strangely over the last few months, I'm being contacted again by parents who've had their children literally stolen by the British state.
And this is the British state that has the audacity to stand up on the world stage, point a finger at the Russians, for example, and say, oh those nasty Russians and nasty Mr Putin is stealing the children.
When the facts are that this country, via the government, is running a child protection racket.
And if people want another example which they should pay attention to, it was only a couple of years ago that it was in the national press in this country that over 400 unaccompanied Syrian children had disappeared.
Out of the children that had come into the country, it was reported 400 had disappeared.
There was no inquiry.
There was no police investigation.
There were no reports.
There was no discussion in Parliament.
We just simply said, "Oh, well, we've lost 400 of them." I mean, that opens up a whole other can of worms, doesn't it, about disaster capitalism and about the bigger picture about why wars take place.
And we know, you and I know at least, that one of the reasons that, well, America basically starts wars in places like Syria is so that they can traffic children.
Well, and of course.
And take whatever they can get their hands on, so raw materials or oil or whatever the natural resources of a country.
Yeah, that's absolutely right.
Do you know how many judges are there in the family court system?
That's a very good question.
I don't actually know.
I don't know.
It would seem to me unlikely that they are not aware exactly what's going on and how the system works, these distinguished judges.
I'm sure they know exactly what's going on.
What I will accept is, from what I have seen, yes, there are some cases where a judge in the family court system seems to make a fair and reasonable decision, But it is also clear that there are people within the family court system who are making unbelievably unfair and cruel decisions to deprive people of their children.
And I think without question the, I'll call them the good judges, ...are so fearful of their own positions that they can't speak out about what's happening in the wider sense.
And we shouldn't be surprised because of course that's going on in government.
There are plenty of good people in government but they're simply frightened and won't speak out.
It's the same in the NHS.
So, yep, there are good judges, but we're not seeing them speak out, because if they were to speak out on this matter, they wouldn't be judges for very much longer.
No, or they wouldn't even be alive, probably.
Possibly.
Yeah.
It's extraordinary, isn't it?
I don't know whether... Well, I mean, as an extramarital man, you probably would have felt the same.
I... I sort of grew up...
Thinking that the...
British establishment was something that one might like to join one day.
And that it would be nice to have a title.
It would be nice to be Sir James Stirling Poe or maybe even in the Lords.
All these plucker characters who'd been to the right schools and the right universities and demonstrated themselves to be the sort of people who ought to be running society because of their probity and their intelligence and so on.
I believed in this system.
And even now, even knowing what I do now, I find it almost beyond belief.
That, say, your average judge in the family courts who's been to Eton and Winchester and all these smart schools and then gone on to Oxford or Cambridge and got their law degree and done their time as a barrister and eventually been made a judge.
These people, these pillars of society, are essentially key figures in a child trafficking industry.
And they must know it's a child trafficking industry and they know what's going to happen to those children.
They're going to be, at best, treated like prostitutes, at worst, tortured and murdered for adrenochrome and what else.
Yeah, it is a difficult concept to get your head around.
I'm going to say my head began to accept it some years ago and so I don't look at the establishment with any form of loving feeling.
I regard the establishment as utterly corrupt and just look at the people who we've got in the system.
You know, we go back to Tony Blair, the man who said, you know, I'm a pretty straight, he said publicly, I'm a pretty straight sort of guy when he was under pressure in the early days.
And then he's happy for a war to take place on a bunch of lies.
We had Cameron coming in.
And what was going on at that time?
Libya.
More bloodshed on the base of a pack of lies to do with the establishment.
And Boris Johnson?
Well, I mean, you know, I look at Boris Johnson, let's say he betrayed his first family, moved on to a new family.
A lot of stories about him in his Mayor of London position.
And then the next minute he From the reports I see, he was one of the key individuals that made sure that a peace deal in Ukraine was not going to happen, and a war was going to happen.
And he's still warmongering for that violence to continue.
These are despicable people.
They pretend to give the illusion that they're upstanding and that they're more intelligent than the rest of us and they've got all the right values because they went to the right schools.
But the reality is that these are disgusting people.
Brian, these are my old university mates you're talking about.
I want to hear a word said against them.
A lot of them.
I'm afraid to say, yeah, a lot of them.
We can talk, well, I didn't go to a public school, I went to a grammar school.
But what I found interesting is that when I got to the Naval College at Dartmouth, overwhelmingly most of the people had come from public schools.
And when I got to know those blokes better, there were quite a few of them that began to tell me stories about their school, which in the first instant would suggest that they didn't entirely enjoy it, but it was quite clear that some of them had had bad experiences, and I'm talking about sexual experiences, within the confines of a boarding school.
And so, very early on, I began to You know, you have to learn about what went on in public schools.
Of course, they're not all bad.
The staff are not all bad, etc, etc.
But what you generally find is this business that when wrongdoing takes place, the initial reaction is not to speak out and get it dealt with.
It's to cover it up, manage reputations, and keep your own job.
Because if you're a whistleblower, you're going to lose your job.
So, you know, I would have to say, and I can understand how this would be hard on you, but I learnt in the early days that public schools were not the squeaky clean organisations they like to pretend they are.
It's weird, because, as you say, I went through the system.
I went to a prep school.
which we called cold hits.
And it was pretty Spartan, and with a pretty scary regime, and you'd get beaten for trivial things.
And there was a bit of gay activity among the boys, but I mean, and there was a predatory music teacher who felt me up in my piano lessons, or tried to, but that was as far as it went.
And then I think about my time at Morven, you know, sort of classic English provincial public school, where C.S.
Lewis and Alistair Crowley both went, and Jeremy Paxman.
And nothing of that kind that I saw.
So it's interesting, isn't it?
Depending on where you were at a particular time, your experiences of the public school system could be very, very different.
But going on to Boris and Dave, who I knew wellish at Oxford.
I used to smoke joints with Dave in my rooms in Peckwater Quad and stuff.
I mean, I was a naive young man, you know, from the provinces at that time.
I wasn't as sophisticated as the Etonians, certainly.
I wasn't as worldly-wise.
But, it's still... I still find it odd to think that the people that I sort of broke bread with and hung out with and sort of went to cocktail parties in the master's garden and stuff, that these could become the creatures that they've become.
Do you think that...
Do you think that the political class are sort of selected very early on?
Were they corrupt then, do you think?
Intellectually and morally?
Or did that happen later on?
Well, I think the important thing to start with is children are children, aren't they?
And while some children might be born as You know, a very, very, very tiny percentage might be born as a psychopath or a sociopath.
Children are just children and then it's what happens to them, how they're brought up.
What morality they're ingrained with, so that's the key thing.
But interestingly enough, the politician I need has gone out of my head, but a politician close to David Cameron said, when Cameron had just become Prime Minister, oh this is fascinating, because when he was much younger, in his very early days, when he was just a little boy, we used to call him Prime Minister.
That was reported in national press.
It's a little anecdotal story, but just fascinating.
And what do I believe?
I believe that our politicians are all selected.
They're chosen for the post.
But yeah, there are clearly some of them that are being tracked through a system from the earliest days.
And Cameron, I think, was certainly one of those.
Yes.
Who's doing the tracking?
Well, this is... Who are these shadowy people?
Well, this is a very interesting question.
For me, the people who have always got the power are the people who control the most money.
So, I mean, if we look at how the Conservative Party functions, it can only function through the Conservative Party machinery, and therefore we've got to look at the people that fund the Conservative Party.
And when we do that, of course, we very quickly can come across a big can of worms.
In recent years, a large amount of money has come into the Conservative Party via Russians who have been thrown out of their own country for corrupt practices.
And they've then pumped money into the Conservative Party.
Right.
Are we talking Kazarian money here?
James, everything I'm reeling off here, people, if they go and just do a little bit of research, funding for the Conservative Party, Russian money, you'll find it all in the press.
It's all an open secret.
But if you want to control the politician, who's going to control the politician?
Well, the party machinery is going to do it.
But also, that's what the whip system is for.
Listen to what the whips say about their own job.
They are there in order to whip the MPs into line with their voting.
And what do the whips do?
They keep little black books.
This again has all been reported, yeah?
And in the black books they keep all the dirty little secrets.
So if you, if you as a power broker want to control an MP, what you need is all the dirty little secrets.
And that means that you want defectives, you want people who've got Not only a few perversions, they've got perversions which are still serious enough to get them into deep trouble should those things become public.
Now, we've had politicians that have been filmed in rooms with rent boys telling them to go out and get some more, you know, drugs.
We won't mention the politician, but that was the story.
He was later removed from his position as a politician.
But nothing really happened to that particular individual.
So now we've got a problem, you know.
In the early days, if you committed adultery as an upstanding member of Parliament, or certainly the House of Lords, this could be a big problem.
Adultery, well adultery doesn't even feature now.
Now you can be doing all sorts of things with each and any sex and drugs can be involved and you can still get away with your reputation as a politician.
So why do you need defective people so that they can be controlled?
Who controls them?
The people who control the parties.
And those are the people who can fund the parties.
Yes.
I always like little new things that I've never thought of before, and that thing you mentioned about the Russian oligarchs, sort of, who were too corrupt even for Russia.
Absolutely.
Which says something, I think.
Yeah.
So these are the people who are of course sold to us in the Western media as These victims, I mean, they're sold as victims of the Putin regime and that they probably tried to speak out against the wickedness of, and they were sent into exile.
But in fact, they are the kind of the dregs of the Russian oligarchy.
Well, yeah, it's a fascinating discussion.
I mean, sometimes at the moment, because of the way we're reporting Ukraine, there's been one or two people say, oh, well, the UK comes pro-Russian.
Well, in trying to really talk about what's been happening in Ukraine, it's not so much being pro-Russian as just be reporting what's factually correct.
But is Putin squeaky clean?
I don't think so.
But it's remarkable Some of the things that he's done, because if he was part of the system, he's turned against the world rules-based order to an extent that they want him gone.
I mean, America, UK, the European Union has openly declared that they want regime change in Russia.
They don't just want the war in Ukraine stopped in Ukraine's favour, they want regime change.
And why do they want to get rid of Putin?
He is challenging a lot of the wicked stuff that's going on in the West and then if you just jump back a bit and say well it's quite incredible that Putin turned against these oligarchs and one of the things that he was saying at the time is that these people are betraying Russia, they're selling off our infrastructure, they are They're hollowing out our natural resources.
They've got no interest in Russia.
And eventually, when he said this is going to stop, and some of them thought they were powerful enough to say, go away, they either found themselves in prison or booted out of the country.
And where did a lot of these people come?
London.
You've reminded me, actually, of another thing that I discovered recently via Matthew Errett talking on the German Warfare podcast, which he explained what it was that happened in the post-Soviet era.
That this was orchestrated, I think, almost inevitably by Kissinger.
The plan was to divide Russia into a series of small states, the better to divide and rule it, each of which was to be given to an oligarch that the Western deep state, the central bankers etc, controlled.
So that would make sense.
So what Putin has done is have a purge of Kissinger's oligarchs who came here and then advanced the interests of the New World Order by funding the Conservative Party.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, and we're talking in handfuls and keeping it simple, but yeah, this is the reality of it.
And I still go back and read some of the reports about this Russian funding of the Conservative Party and oh, we shouldn't worry about it.
They're all fine people.
Really?
Who are they?
I mean, at one stage, I think I'm allowed to say Alex Thompson who does a lot of work with the UK Column but in his previous role at GCHQ these were the type of people that that agency would be monitoring because they regarded them as dangerous international criminals and then suddenly we've got them mixing directly with the political masters of this country.
How can that possibly be?
It can only be If the real agenda for the so-called rules-based international order is not being created within national governments, it's being created within the supranational system outside of the nation-state.
And if you look at America at the moment, who is running America?
It's surely madness to say a senile, incompetent Biden Yeah.
running America, he's just the floppy puppet who's pulling his strings well, the security services and rogue elements of you know, like Blinken and Victoria Newland, rogue elements of the American political elite
so I know from listening to some of your other podcasts that you've reached the conclusion I have which is that ultimately the person running the show is the devil and that he's not a metaphorical figure, that he is real and he's calling the shots with God's commission what
Were you always a believing Christian?
The honest answer to that is, with a smile on my face, I was sort of... What was the film?
Three Weddings and a Funeral?
I can't remember the title of that film.
Four Weddings and a Funeral.
Four Weddings, yeah.
Yeah, he's a Luciferian.
I was a person that... I came from a family that had some pretty strong ties with probably the Baptist Church and the Methodist Church.
And as a youngster, I was taken to church.
But I never had a very strong pull into it.
But I'm going to say I sensed something because I always had a feeling that it wasn't something or there were certain elements of the Christian story that you were not going to mock lightly.
It's difficult for me to explain that but there was a reverence that I always felt was required in certain areas.
The time that I really started to think was actually in the early days when I was dealing with the fraud and corruption in Plymouth and I had some really unpleasant stuff happening.
I also got some things happening which I found very difficult to explain.
Explain anything from amazing coincidences, which could be good or bad, to phone calls coming through so that I could be taking 10 or 11 phone calls on my mobile phone, just one after the other, finish one call, the next one came in, with people telling me stuff.
Then eventually, when I was seeking answers about what was going on, because I was finding it so bizarre, I discovered the organisation Common Purpose, which calls itself a charity setting up future leaders, but in fact its job is indoctrinating future leaders in its own largely woke belief system.
But I'd found this organisation buried in Plymouth and many other cities across the UK.
And I'm going to say that whenever I went researching it, I always felt a darkness about it.
It was always got something about it that you felt was very dark.
And I mentioned this to a friend and the friend said to me, well of course Brian, you know, it's a spiritual battle.
And I said, what do you mean?
And he said, well, do you know anything about the Bible?
And I said, not a lot.
And he said, well, that's a bit of a problem, but essentially there's a spiritual battle going on.
And to cut a long story short, what happened one weekend was I'd been away with my wife.
She'd stayed on with the friends that we'd been to see.
I came back to my house and somebody pushed an envelope through the door.
And when I opened it, there were two magazines.
One of them said the EU, the Fourth Reich, and the other one had a man's head in a sniper rifle sight, and the header was The Battle for Our Minds.
And I sat down and read these two magazines.
They were biblically based, but by I think it was about half three in the morning, maybe quarter to four.
I just found the accuracy of what they were talking about incredible.
So they were almost like military reports.
The language was very concise, it was very measured and targeted.
But there were a large number of biblical references.
And this was really the start of me then beginning to look in this direction myself.
Where did it lead me?
Well, it led me to an understanding that the horrors going on around us are manifested by men and women in a political field or in other venues.
But ultimately, there's a much more powerful spiritual hand which is stirring the pot to make this happen.
And when we start to understand that the real battle is spiritual, not political, this is where we can really start to gain some leverage.
and understanding on what we should be doing to fight the wickedness going on and I found it fascinating that when I began to have an appreciation for the spiritual battle I was giving a lot of these public talks and I might mention God from the stage or I might mention a little bit about End Times
And I could get quite a hostile response from the audience, so I learnt to deliver my talk from the stage.
But afterwards, I would find people came up to me and would say, Brian, do you think there's more to this than men and politics?
And I would always say, of course, it's spiritual.
And then you could talk to people.
What is really encouraging now is there is almost nowhere that the UK column goes.
There's nobody we speak to who doesn't at some stage say the world's gone mad but I sense there's something else.
And the moment they say that, I find you can start to have a very friendly, relaxed conversation about spiritual things.
And the nice thing is it doesn't matter whether they're a Christian or a Muslim or...
Whatever they are, they can appreciate that there's something else going on above men and politics as I describe it.
Yes.
It's interesting you say that about your experience.
mentioning the G word, God, or whatever, in your early talks.
Because I can't help myself, I'm very upfront about what you see is what you get, so I'll always bring God and Jesus into my talks, in a kind of, I hope not a kind of cringey way.
Well, even if it is, I don't care.
That's the deal.
And I find that the response is always really positive.
And in fact, what I find is that you get this sort of frisson of excitement and joy, I would say, in the crowd.
When you talk about the spiritual dimension, it's like people are...
I noticed this a lot with the people that I talk to at festivals and things like that.
They have a light in their eyes.
They have a radiance which you don't see in normal people.
And they can be happy.
They can be laughing and joking.
They can be happy.
Even in the bad times.
There's that, but there's also this kind of awareness that they have protection.
I was wondering whether you felt that.
Are you familiar with Psalm 1?
Sorry, which?
Which is appropriate.
Psalm number 1, which is very appropriate.
It's the one that is, blessed is the man that hath not walked in the counsel of the ungodly nor stood in the way of sinners.
Do you not feel that?
It goes, "He shall be like a tree planted by the waterside that will bring forth his fruit in due season.
His leaf also shall not wither, and look, whatsoever he doeth it shall prosper." Do you not feel that, that you've got this kind of protection?
I do feel that.
Quite often people will say to me or Mike or other members of the UK column team, you know, don't you get a bit fearful?
And actually, no, I don't feel fearful at all.
And that's a huge advantage because you can get on with fighting the battle without worrying.
Many people, it seems to me, who don't have any proper faith They might have the right things inside them, but they're lost because they can't look anywhere else for strength and protection.
And I'm going to say on my little journey, a lot of people talk about waking up and it's a very interesting expression, but I went through a period of Strange coincidences and things happening.
But quite often there was a biblical connection.
Somebody would send me a little verse from the Bible.
So I might be down, I might be thinking, I'm not sure how to handle this.
My phone would go beep beep and when I opened it, somebody just sent me a little verse from the Bible.
Very often that answered the concern in my head.
So that was very positive.
But then that was followed by me going through a period of experiencing some pretty dark stuff.
Some of which is very difficult to talk about and also very difficult to understand.
But on one occasion when I was... I'd gone to visit a flat which I'd been to before.
I knew the people living in it very well.
But as I walked over the threshold it was as though something jumped on me.
And I felt incredibly unwell and I know that I must have reacted badly because I think my wife thought I was going to have a heart attack or something.
But over the course of the weekend in that particular location it was as though something, you know, was oppressing me.
And later, when I started to rationalise this, it was as though in the beginning something was saying to me, I'll teach you what the light is about.
And that led me down the path of proper light with God and Jesus Christ.
And then, when I'd got a bit of understanding as to what that may well mean, I was shown, I'll give you a taste of what the dark side is.
And that was pretty potent.
Can I share this story?
I think I probably can.
In dealing with the child abuse issue, I was then exposed to child abuse cases in which there was a satanic element, and if anybody in your audience thinks that satanic ritual abuse is fantasy and nonsense, then you've got a lot to learn.
But when I dealt with some of the, as they were, adults that had been through this type of stuff, I found that A knowledge and understanding and a belief in God and Jesus Christ gave you a particular strength when you were dealing with them, because it was clear that some of them, at least, still had very dark things with them.
So, James, I'm going to say to you, I smile at myself as I'm talking about this stuff, because if 30 odd years ago you'd have said, Brian, in 2023 you will be Talking openly about spiritual battles and the fact that people need to understand the dark side's real and you need to be very careful if you're playing around with it.
But that's where my life journey has taken me.
And I'll just add that when I had a bit of a growing understanding about this aspect, on one occasion I was invited to give a talk in Truro Baptist Church.
And I felt very reluctant to do this because I thought, who was I to go into a church and talk to an audience?
But I was persuaded by a certain gentleman to do it.
And I gave a talk about what was happening in the country, but I tried to balance the politics with political, sorry, balance the politics with appropriate quotes and passages from the Bible.
And at the end of the evening, there'd probably been about 35 people, maybe 40, so not huge, but at the end of the evening I had a cluster of people around me and they were just fascinated.
They asked me more and more questions.
And one guy, a very big farm hand, a huge man, he said to me, Brian, all the things you've talked about,
All happening here in Cornwall so I talked about fraud and corruption and children and dark arts and he said it's all happening around us and that was quite a big boost for me because it just said if necessary I could go and speak to that sort of audience and hold my own
But the other one that goes with it, and for me this is very important, is that several years ago I was invited to give a talk in Birmingham Central Mosque, and I had met the then chairman of the mosque, Mohammed Nazim, and I'd met him at a very strange little meeting of people just outside Birmingham.
We'd gone to talk about the money supply system, But and it was it was stays Friday and Saturday night, and it was on the Friday night There have been several very interesting speakers Including James Stuart Gibb if that name means anything to you.
He's a well.
It's not alive anymore, but he was a Scotsman He'd written some very interesting books about money supply system and the decline of the West.
Lemming Folk comes to my mind immediately.
That's one of his books.
But the talks had been on the money supply system and then the man chairing it said, oh well this is very strange, we've finished a bit early, we've still got 20 minutes, does anybody want to speak about anything else?
So I said, I'll speak about Common Purpose.
So I gave a talk about this political charity Common Purpose and what it was doing.
And at the end, a gentleman came up to me and that was Dr. Mohamed Nazim.
He asked if he could talk to me in private.
We went in a little room and he said to me, Brian, you're talking about all these things, nasty things happening, but you're white and you're professional and you live in the south of the country.
These things are happening to Muslims and we thought it was racial prejudice, but it's happening to you.
And I said, well, at the end of the day, we're all targeted and we need to understand this.
And that initial conversation, we developed a little bit of a friendship and a professional relationship and we swapped information.
And eventually he gave me the opportunity to speak in Birmingham Central Mosque.
And I gave a talk about the breakdown of society, the deliberate breakdown of society in the UK.
I warned the assembled.
Of course it was a mosque so I was talking to men in the first instant.
But I warned them that the Muslims were going to be heavily targeted, as I believe is obvious with certain things that have gone on in the UK, but if we look at what's happening worldwide, proper Muslims, not politicised Muslims, proper Muslims heavily targeted.
So I talked about what was happening, I talked about the attack on children, morality, the rise of criminality.
And it was a very interesting venue at that time.
Special Branch, or the intelligence services, always had at least one liaison officer in all the major mosques in the UK.
They're pretty stupid people because they always wear the same shoes.
They always wear the same... Can I be naughty and say public school black smart leather shoes?
So it was pretty easy... Oh I know, Oxfords!
Yeah, Oxfords, thank you.
So they were pretty easy to spot.
But I got a fascinating response from the audience because they were very curious as to why I'd taken the trouble to come and see them and I said I've come here to warn you.
And when I left the main hall, what I discovered was that the talk had been broadcast on a public address system into the very large foyer area.
And the foyer area was full of the women and children.
So they'd heard my talk, but they'd been outside the main hall.
And then what happened, I was surrounded by women asking me lots of questions about what I'd talked about and why I was there.
I probably spent two hours talking to the women.
And when finally I said it's time to go, I walked out into the car park and a group of young men followed me.
There must have been about 15 of them.
And I wasn't too sure what was coming.
But when I got to my car, they said to me, we can't believe you came.
We can't believe what you said.
And then they started to ask me more questions.
And I spent about an hour and a half Talking to these young people in the car park.
Now what I want to come to is that people need to understand that when it comes to belief systems, there are many people within the Muslim community who realise that their religion has been captured by something deeply unpleasant and political, but they're finding it very hard to fight back against it.
But what do they know?
What they know is about the spiritual battle, because invariably the Imams are talking about a spiritual battle.
So for the Imams, they're not talking about a demonic world, they're talking about the jinn.
But in my view, out of a major
If we look at major religious communities in the UK, the people who are best informed about the demonic battle are actually the true Muslims, while we have Christians, utterly abandoned by their vicars and the Church of England, who are lambs to the slaughter because they are not being taught about what's really happening.
Yes.
I suppose you're making in a gentler and more thoughtful way the point that Andrew Tait makes about why he chose Islam rather than Christianity.
I don't agree with his rationale but I think the point you raise is very interesting and I've noticed in my chat channels there is a division between those who buy into the idea That the Muslims are out to destroy us, which I mean some of them are obviously, you know, the political Muslims undoubtedly are there to kind of complete screw us over and we are disgusting kuffar and they hate us and they want, you know, whatever.
But I do get the impression, I share it with you, that this is not a battle between us and Muslims and whoever else, this is a battle between us All Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and the Luciferians.
It's the Satanic... It's Satan versus the rest of us.
Yeah, it's a battle against evil.
This is the levelling thing.
Yeah, yeah.
Just wanted to pick you up because I can't talk to you without not...
Talking a bit about Common Purpose because that was the first kind of thing that I became aware of you through.
And I'll tell you, Brian, I remember this is how much the newspapers have changed.
I mean, I think the newspapers were always in the hands of the forces of darkness, but they were less obvious about it.
There was a degree of leeway before.
And I remember, I can't remember which editor it was, but there was a Mail on Sunday editor Who was very preoccupied with Common Purpose and was very keen for me to write about it.
It was Paul Dacre.
Paul Dacre was the man.
Paul Dacre... Ah, so it wasn't him I'm thinking of, but Paul too.
Right, that's good.
Well, it was Paul Dacre who was responsible for the mail that came out on a Saturday morning printing ten full pages On what Common Purpose was up to.
And the reason he did that is because sometime earlier, when he was being utterly shafted via the early... I've forgotten the name of the organisation, but when we were seeing the revised attempts to take control of the press, and Full Fact had been set up and all those agencies,
I'd written to him after he'd been grilled at one of the sessions and said, do you realise that a lot of the people that are now pressing for censorship of the press, and giving you a hard time, are connected with Common Purpose?
And I sent him a little docket of information about Common Purpose.
Am I allowed to leave my chair for 10 seconds?
Is that acceptable?
Yes, you certainly can.
I do it all the time.
I'm going to reach over to my wall.
Hold on a minute.
So this is an evidence-based discussion because I've just taken off my wall the letter that Paul Dacre sent to me for...
Thanking me for the information.
That's his signature.
It's dated the 14th of February 2012 and it says, Dear Mr Gerrish, thank you so much for sending me a copy of your paper containing the article on the Media Standards Trust.
That's the organisation.
I couldn't remember just now.
I read the article with great In italics, great interest.
It went quiet for several months and then one Saturday morning I could not believe it when I saw the papers that the front page of the mail was about Common Purpose and when I opened it, it went on page after page after page.
The Mail reported on it.
The Telegraph reported on it.
To a lesser extent, but still major coverage.
The Times reported on it.
The Sun reported on it.
And I think the Mirror had a little bit.
And I was later to meet one of the Mail journalists who'd been involved in producing that exposure.
He's a very nice guy I'm still in contact with him but I said at the time hmm it's a bit sad that the UK column didn't get a mention and he looked at me and smiled and he said but Brian you know how it is but If you remember all of that exposure of Common Purpose, that came as a result of research from the UK column and the fact that I wrote to Paul Dacre personally.
That's why I keep that letter.
Doesn't that raise some interesting questions though?
Paul Dacre, the guy who famously, famously good editor, sort of set the tone of the mail for a very long time on every story.
How was he unaware of common purpose?
This is something that puzzles me endlessly.
Well, no, because, let's be fair to him, I was completely unaware of common purpose in the beginning.
It was only that when I was looking at fraud and corruption in Plymouth, a man I knew as a very good acquaintance said to me, well actually, everywhere you look and there's trouble going on, There's this organisation called Common Purpose.
And I said, what nursed that?
And he said, well that's where the puzzle starts.
It's a really weird organisation.
And I went to start researching it.
And I find a charity that's creating future leaders.
It's going to break down silos.
It's going to change the world.
And it's operating.
But I couldn't see where it was operating and at the time I was a member of the board of the Chamber of Commerce in Plymouth and then one day somebody said something and I thought oh you were involved in it and I then discovered around me a whole lot of people were common purpose graduates as they're called but they don't declare themselves so you've got like a little secret network of people working
Well, eventually, a very kind guy hoovered up a load of data from Common Purpose, because if you were a qualified Common Purpose graduate, you were allowed to access their database to find other Common Purpose graduates.
So, you're based in Plymouth, you could go and search as to who was Common Purpose trained in Sheffield or London.
And one of the Common Purpose people, who was not very enamoured with the training, they'd done the training but they didn't get much out of it, was kind enough to say, you know, do you want to see who's who in Common Purpose?
And that's how we got the information.
That information is still available on a funny little website called cpexposed.com.
There's actually a database.
And when you look at the database, It was incredible because, having never heard of Common Purpose, they were everywhere.
They were in the police, they were in the NHS, they were in schools, they were in the judicial system, they were in the BBC.
All undeclared.
And David Cameron is fascinating because David Cameron was absolutely involved with Common Purpose.
To the extent that he later went on to promote Common Purpose expanding in India.
He joined Common Purpose events in India, whilst at the same time Eric Pickles, who was the Communities Minister, was advising publicly, reported in the press, that local authorities should not, quote, waste their money on Common Purpose, unquote.
So this is when we began to see a secretive charity operating, which was taking people, recruiting people to become graduates, and then those individuals appeared to be working within their own organisations, with goals that suited common purpose agenda, not necessarily the natural goals of their own organisations.
What did you find out about the people who founded it?
Julia Middleton was it?
Julia Middleton was the key founder and chief executive in the initial stages.
But whenever you looked at any of the her individual, sorry, if you ever looked at any of her early statements on how common purpose was formed, the only thing you could read was that she'd originally been in the States. the only thing you could read was that she'd originally Now she's an internationalist anyway because although she was born in the UK, she went off to a French or a Swiss finishing school.
And then she worked for the Work Foundation, so she sort of went through the system and then into, we'll call it, quasi-non-governmental organisation charity land.
But she said in her own words that she'd been in America, she had heard things and thought it was a good idea, she came back and she formed Common Purpose,
with half a million pounds as you do you get the odd half a million um but it was quickly apparent to us because because you could see the evidence for it and she talked about it that the funding had come from a collection of banks she never declared who the full spectrum were but the major bank was Deutsche Bank
And for a long time Common Purpose would hold its board meetings within the confines of the Deutsche Bank itself in London.
So it was the banking industry that formed Common Purpose.
She was the spokesperson.
I don't think she's very bright.
I'm not saying that to sort of be, you know, what's it?
I generally do not believe Julia Middleton is very bright.
I think she was chosen for the job.
If you ask me where I believe she was operating in the UK, I think she was operating in Chicago, and I think that the Common Purpose idea is closely linked to the Common Cause initiative which was unleashed in the United States, and the powerhouse behind that was later to become the Chicago powerhouse behind Obama.
Who, what, who's that?
Well, if you follow Obama, you'll find that he's heavily connected with the regime that's involved with social engineering based, I'll call them the mob in Chicago.
Yeah.
Mark Anderson is very well up on the background to this because very often he's speaking about the fact that from the core in Chicago,
Is one of the major driving forces for the creation of the global system of mayors and this of course is where we're breaking down the nation state by creating a global system of city states where one man or woman, the mayor, is going to be the overriding person in charge of those cities.
So I'm bringing a lot of things together but to come back to your point I believe very strongly that Julia Middleton was chosen and or groomed by this Chicago-based social change powerhouse which was doing all sorts of things in America.
Which in turn would have taken its orders from some... this would have been planned at somewhere like the Triateral Commission?
Well, same thing applies because all these things require quite big sums of money to operate and therefore you're going to come back to the big think tanks who are invariably funded by the people with big sums of money, whether it's Gates Foundation or it's George Soros or hedge funds.
Very often, if you look at the funding, you see straight away that the funding's coming in from hedge funds.
But if I can just add... Just going back...
Yes, please do.
Just to add one more bit, because this is really building the picture, is that when we began to investigate common purpose, I gave a public talk about Common Purpose, which was recorded, videoed, and at a certain point I was saying on stage, we've done a lot of research on Common Purpose, but there's something about it that I can't put my finger on.
There's something about it that's very dark.
There's something about it.
It seems to be able to control people in a way I can't understand.
And a few days later I got an email from a man and he said, Brian, I am a trained psychologist and I will tell you what Common Purpose is doing.
They are using NLP.
I had no idea what NLP was.
I now know it's Neuro Linguistic Programming.
And what is it?
It's a form of psychological manipulation by which you can control the way people think and behave.
And it rapidly became apparent this man did some wonderful things because he took some of the talks that Julia Middleton had given and he let her speak and then he broke down the language that she used and showed How it contained very strong NLP components whereby the grammar and the words were being manipulated to affect the subconscious mind.
Now, where this gets very interesting is by 2010 we have discovered the Conservative Cabinet Office document called Mindspace.
That's M-I-N-D-S-P-A-C-E.
Mindspace.
If you just search in a search engine for Mindspace dot PDF the document will come up but this is the document produced by the Conservative Cabinet Office in which they boasted, well they boast, that their research development with the Behavioural Insights Team had been so successful that they could quote change the way people thought and behaved
And the individual would not necessarily know that their thought processes had changed or they said if somebody suspects that their behavior has changed they won't necessarily know how it's changed.
Now this was really spooky stuff because you've got an organization which is quasi-secret Burying its way into organisations and recruiting its future leaders, but what it appeared to be doing was using some pretty powerful, sophisticated psychology in order to groom those people into the right way of thinking.
Now, join the head of the serpent with the tail, We have spent a bit of time saying we're being governed by people who are morally defective.
They're criminals.
Some of them are clearly child abusers, drug takers, adulterers.
And yet, these politicians have in their hands, by their own words, the ability to use applied psychology to change the way we think.
My goodness, this is serious stuff.
And where did we see this weapon unleashed during lockdown?
Because in the SPY-B unit, which was the psychological unit of the government's COVID advisory team, the minutes of the, I think it was March, 20 meeting were released, we publicised these things and talked about it, in which they openly discussed using applied psychology to make the public more frightened of COVID so that they would be more compliant to lockdown. in which they openly discussed using applied psychology to make
And they even said, as a caveat, some of the things have got to be applied very carefully because if we use communities to police themselves, i.e., you know, you can't.
you don't want to be locked down, but your neighbours turn on you and say, no, no, no, you need to stay at home, otherwise we're going to die.
If this psychology was overcooked, it could result in violence.
Everything I'm saying is factual.
It's based on the government's own documents.
Much of it has been commented on in the media.
But the mainstream media, I'm going to use the expression because more people know what the mainstream media is, the journalists are too stupid and bone idle to do the research, to follow this through.
Because the government is using manipulative applied psychology everywhere.
It's using it within the political party on the MPs.
It's been using it within the civil service to change people who should be independent, or sorry, unbiased.
Civil servants acting in the best interest of the country.
It's using applied psychology on them.
It used it in the formulation of the lockdown procedures.
And it's using it in every single document that comes out of government.
Because NLP can be effective by the spoken word and by the written word.
Yes.
But it's all... I mean, I agree with you on laziness and so forth.
But also, it's because, you know, we're all... well, most of us are under a spell.
We've been conditioned by a military-grade propaganda psyop.
I mean, I was thinking, as you said that, of...
The thick of it.
You know, very popular comedy series about what we laughingly call, affectionately call, the dark arts and spin.
These are fun things.
It's like, the dark arts.
It's all a big joke.
And actually, it is about manipulation of people to advance, to force through political agendas.
And we've been encouraged to think of it as a kind of, yeah, part of the warp and weft of political life, something that we should find entertaining because it's what Malcolm Tucker does.
But it calls suppression of the truth.
Is is the dark side because the side that I support is is light and truth and love.
If we've got a regime running which is as one thing suppressing truth.
That is of you know, this is demonic.
And now we're beginning to pay.
We're beginning to pay.
Well, we're reaping the rewards of this because we can see society in front of our eyes getting more perverse, darker and more degenerate is happening by the day.
And this is not surprising because what's been unleashed against us is stuff which in its first, you know, iteration is demonic.
I agree with you.
Before we go, this is a question more for me than I think most people are going to care about the answer.
Dacre.
I was his chauffeur for a while once.
I won't tell you the circumstances.
You've had an interesting life, James.
But I got on with him.
I thought he was a nice chap.
Contrary to the rumour that this fire-eating, foul-mouthed bully, which maybe he was too, but I thought his heart was in the right place.
There is no way now That the Mail, or let alone the Mail on Sunday, which is even worse, would do an expose of something like Common Purpose.
They wouldn't talk about it.
They're not interested in going... They are so on board with the interests of the powers that be, in every respect, whether it's the Green Agenda or the death jab or whatever, they never question anything.
And yet, it's not as though the male group has changed proprietorship.
I mean, it's still got Lord Rothermere, he's been there for ages, who presumably must be part of the powers that be.
So, why is it that the male could... that Dacre was given licence then, but his equivalent today is not?
Well, I think in the first instance that when I think that when Paul Dacre printed the big splash on Common Purpose, he was personally motivated because he had been really put through the mill with the Media Standards Trust and Full Fact and the Parliamentary Committees.
They'd really gone for him.
So we gave him ammunition and he ran with that ammunition.
Because it was largely personal, once he felt he got a bit of revenge, he didn't then follow up on the investigation.
He never got the team to talk to us.
But I think personal motivation was a key part of what he did.
And by coincidence, I didn't know it at the time I wrote the original letter to him, But within a month or something like that there was the annual meeting of editors so every year the editors of all the big papers get together for a you know drinkies and bun fight and I believe it was at that Gathering that year that he shared some of the story with the other papers.
Well, maybe he'd already done his article and it was ready to go and then he leaked a little bit because the other papers published a bit on it the same day.
And I think that... But the other papers probably were stuffed with Common Purpose graduates themselves.
Probably the Mail was, wasn't it?
Yeah, inevitably.
But why do we not see the mail reacting now?
To me it's because the fear control, which was previously just operating at people at the top of the pyramid, that has now sunk down in organisations.
Where people right the way through the editorial team know that if they speak out on a subject they're going to lose their jobs.
So the control system that is operating in this country is suppression of the truth, suppression of the media, and you do that by fear, and that's come right the way down through.
I mean yesterday I was talking to a lady who worked in the BBC for quite a long time, And she was adamant that people just would not speak out on subjects because BBC people are on short-term contracts and you rock the boat, you're out of a job.
And, you know, Andrew Bridgen is a case of this, isn't it?
One MP, maybe he's not got everything right, but he's done a lot right, and he's being hammered.
Totally.
Some of the things that the whips have been saying to him are just like terrifying.
We're talking mafia enforcers here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, we've got a system which suppresses truth.
We've got a system which uses fear.
We've got a system which is prepared to attack children.
You know, give those a tick.
What are you looking at?
You're looking at a... I believe, you know, this is demonic stuff.
This is absolutely a spiritual battle.
Some people call it good and evil, but it's between the right belief system and the wrong belief system.
Well, on that note, before we go, one more question.
How kosher is the Reigns list?
Oh, I believe that the Reigns list was highly accurate.
I was never able to speak to the elderly lady psychologist that compiled it.
Um, but I was close enough to know how she formed the list and she formed the list by the fact that she was initially giving counselling to very damaged children.
And in the course of giving that counselling, some of them started to talk about very unpleasant, very, very unpleasant abuse with a ritualistic element.
And off her own back, she decided to catalogue evidence and particularly to catalogue where children would mention names.
So the names that she put on the Reigns list, I believe her rule was that the name had to be mentioned twice or more, but it might have been four times or more, I can't quite remember, but the name had to have been mentioned by a number of children in a completely independent capacity before she would put the name on the list.
So that's how she compiled that list.
Because your colleague and Delling Pod regular, almost, Alex Thompson, very bravely, I think, has read out the Reigns list.
You can find it on the internet.
And some of the names on that list, it goes back to that thing we talked about earlier, about people who believe that the British establishment is worst pompous, but generally is benign.
We'll listen to those names or read those names and think, but I thought, no, surely not him.
That's how it works, isn't it?
Who was the very brave MP who died quite a while ago?
Dixon, was it?
Geoffrey Dickens.
Dickens, right, yeah.
So he started to speak out on this matter and look what happened to him.
If this is all nonsense, why the need for all the aggression and the pushback?
I sat with an element of the police, I have sat with an element of the police team that were investigating Ted Heath.
And they said to me that, in their professional opinion, the evidence that they collected was overwhelming.
And if the man was still alive, he would be taken through court proceedings for the abuse of children.
And I also say something else... But more than that, yeah?
What did you establish from them that he had done?
Well, he was a pervert.
He was a pervert who was using and abusing children.
I mean, did you get as far as the story that, who's that solicitor, that lawyer, QC, who's talked about him actually taking children onto his yacht and bumping them off?
Well, yeah.
Sorry, we've... Do you believe that one?
We've come back into the very heavy stuff, but, you know, maybe, if you like, we could... He's not going to sue, Brian.
No, no, but we could do another session on this, but the reports, and I was able to talk to the police team, were that their belief was that they were dealing with an abuser of children and there were certain aspects to what he did put him in a special category.
But of course the reality is with the abuse of children comes murdering children.
Because some people get a kick out of this.
- Well, Brian, I've so enjoyed talking to you.
- It's bad, isn't it? - Yeah.
I just say to people, welcome to my life, because this is what I've gone through and what I've learned, and I'm still learning from people on these issues.
But the key bit is to make sure that you balance your life out with good things.
So whatever you enjoy doing, get out for a walk or Can I add one more to that list?
I totally agree with that list.
are somebody that's trying to fight what's going on and you're a deep researcher, do something to uplift your life at the same time, otherwise something will eat you.
Can I add one more to that list?
I totally agree with that list.
In fact, after this, I'm going to walk the dog, which is pricking up its ears because it knows that.
Is no Learn the Psalms.
Because the Psalms offer you protection against demonic attack.
For example, Psalm 23.
They don't like it.
Had you crossed that threshold, and, you know, the Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want, and maketh me to lie down in green pastures.
He leadeth me beside the still waters, he bestoweth my soul.
If you'd said those words, the demon would have had... The other one that goes with this, of course, is prayer.
And why are they busily trying to stamp out prayer at the moment?
No praying zones.
Why are they doing this?
Because the really bad people are utterly terrified of prayer.
That's a whole other discussion.
Should you wish.
You've whetted my appetite already, Brian.
I think it's going to be great.
I'm almost tempted to split this up into two podcasts.
Why throw away two hours worth of material on one I don't know.
Anyway, Brian Gerrish, tell people where we can find you.
You can find me with a really great team at the UK Column.
Mike Robinson and Josie and Stephanie and Kenny and Debbie and a whole host of other people.
That's www.ukcolumn.org.
And at that point, my dog has arrived to cough and splutter. - Yeah.
Brian, again, thank you.
After this long, long wait.
It's more than justified, all the wait.
So thank you very much.
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