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Welcome to The Delling Ad with me, James Dellingpole, and I'm really excited about a very special event I've got coming up quite soon with our old friend Clive DeCarle.
This is my first, well actually it's my second, I lie, or maybe my third, my third Dellingpole event outside London and the smaller events are really good.
I mean they don't have the crowds of the London events but They're more intimate and you get more chance to spend quality time with James.
Anyway, my special guest is Clive De Carl and if you turn up you can discover all sorts of exciting things like is Clive's voice really as silky and yet sort of strangely nicotine stained as it sounds on the podcast?
Can he really be that laid-back in real life?
Of course, maybe you want to ask him how you cure the Big K. The Big K, of course, is something completely different from cancer.
And as you know, it's illegal to talk about any alternative methods of treating cancer.
But Clive can talk about all sorts of other conditions which are quite similar, like the one beginning with K. And we'll talk about other things as well.
I think Clive is keen to talk about the battle for freedom and what we can do to escape the encroaching tyranny.
Anyway, The event is in Dorset.
I thought, you know, I'd give the South Coast a chance to experience the Deling Pod.
And it's not far, it's outside Poole at a venue called the Hamworthy Club, if any of you know the Hamworthy Club.
It kicks off about seven, I might change the time and make it a bit earlier, I don't know yet, but seven roughly.
And it's on the 28th of July.
I didn't even mention that, did I?
I didn't mention the key detail.
28th of July.
July.
I'm going to put the booking details below.
It's going to sell out fairly quickly.
My events tend to.
So I'd get in there quick if I were you.
And I really look forward to meeting you.
Those of you I've met before and those of you I've never had the joy of meeting.
Anyway, it's going to be fun.
Of course it's going to be fun.
Look forward to seeing you there.
Welcome to The Delling Podcast with me, James Dellingpole.
And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I really am...
We've got, by popular request actually, lots of people have been calling for you.
Nazarin Veronica.
And later on in the show, I'm going to put in, I'm going to insert because I couldn't get my act together in time.
I've got a great advert, a sponsor, somebody who's got this amazing place.
Or series of places in Scotland for like awake people, you know, he likes awake clients.
He likes cash, but he's got awake books and he's I just think this is the kind of people who should be well sponsoring the Deling pod because like this is the perfect audience anyway.
Nazarin Veronica, I've seen videos of you on YouTube.
Would it be on YouTube?
You're probably banned from YouTube.
Doing brave, sassy things.
Sort of red-pilling people on the tube and stuff.
And I know that you were in that BBC vaccines, alleged vaccines that aren't vaccine series, where they basically tried to stitch you up.
Yeah.
But tell me more about yourself because I mean I'm crap at doing my research and I just know you're a good thing.
Yeah, well I'm Nazza and Veronica.
I became sort of more well known in the movement through doing the, you know, through taking part in the documentary BBC.
Tell us about the documentary.
What was it called?
Yeah, so it was called Unvaccinated and it was sort of advertised as a way to explain to the UK public why we aren't vaccinated.
So I thought, you know, it sounds like a good opportunity to at least try and get some information out there.
And when my friend suggested to them that I do it instead of him, They interviewed me and basically I just went for it because I knew it was going to be a setup.
I knew they were going to try and manipulate things and edit things in a way which isn't accurate as to what actually happened, but I still thought it's worth giving it a try because if it's a way to get information out there, I'm going to try and do it regardless of what happens in the editing process.
So I did it.
And in the interview, I had to act really dumb to get onto it, actually.
Did you?
So you did kind of deceive them when they were interviewing you beforehand?
Yeah, I knew that I knew the kind of people they were looking for.
And so I knew that I had to change the way that I am slightly in terms of, you know, not mentioning any statistics, not mentioning any science, just basically they asked me, why aren't you vaccinated?
And I just I had to act really stupid and just say, oh, I don't know, you know, my friends weren't getting it, so I didn't get it either.
Things like that.
How many interviewers were there?
There was one person who interviewed me.
On the phone?
Yeah, it was on a video call.
So, yeah.
And did you pretend to be, did you kind of physically try to look more gormless?
Yeah, I put loads of makeup on and my whole persona was just different to how I really am.
I didn't really have any good reasons as to why I wasn't vaccinated, or from their view, so then they did Choose me as one of the participants.
I've been stitched up totally, I mean like a kipper by the BBC.
And I went into it completely innocent.
I thought, well, lovely BBC.
It's right.
I didn't think the BBC was lovely.
But at that point in my life, I didn't realise that the BBC was like a snake and you have to suck with a very, very long spoon.
And what I should have done is recorded the interview independently so that I could show the tricks they did.
I should have been wise.
I'm nearly 60.
You're how old? 22.
22.
How come you were so aware?
How come you knew about all this before?
Well, when I sort of woke up to the propaganda that was going on at the beginning of lockdown and, you know, the pandemic, I realised what the BBC were doing and I realised they were just plain lying about everything.
And that's when I realised they couldn't be trusted.
So I saw the absolute lies they were putting out regarding, you know, Covid and lockdowns and vaccines.
And I realised that they're not to be trusted.
I was also warned by many people, but I already knew even before the warnings, but they just sort of reiterated how dangerous they are and what they will try to do to me.
I prepared in the best way possible.
Obviously, I have no control in the edit.
I can't decide what gets left and what doesn't, but I had a notebook of stats and figures.
Basically, I had loads of science on my side and I used stats whenever I could.
In every debate, I I was listing all of the stats and science to back up my points.
Sadly, they did remove every single one of them.
You so surprised me!
I know, it's just crazy because literally it's all I was coming out with and they managed to remove every single one.
But they did leave in the part where I talked about the Pfizer documents and all of the adverse reactions on there and I listed like how many there are.
And that was left in by some miracle, so... How bizarre!
Maybe they thought that having got you as one of their victims, they ought to have at least something from, you know, they couldn't... I always look a bit weird, wouldn't you?
If you were a character in this, in every shot, but you never said anything.
Exactly, so they left that in.
OK, so let's get the timeline sorted here.
What year was this documentary?
When did they film it?
It was filmed in May 2022, so last year, and it was aired in July 2022.
Okay.
Well, so before that, when was the moment...
You just spotted straight away that the BBC was lying, but there must have been a sort of...
There must have been a moment where you became awake, or a series of events that made you awake.
It doesn't just happen like suddenly, does it?
You must have been, the awareness must have dawned over a period.
Yeah, definitely.
Well, it definitely was the pandemic that woke me up to many things.
Particularly when they had videos of the journalists standing outside hospitals and do you remember the videos of the body bags where they were like all of the body bags lined up on the floor?
Are we talking about Italy or somewhere else?
It was in the UK.
Okay.
I think.
Yeah, I'm sure it was.
And then there was, there were videos of, it was multiple news outlets who were posting things like this, but the body bags began moving and then like one of them opened and a person got out.
And then I was like, wait a minute, they're literally employing actors to pretend to be dead bodies in the body bags.
So why are they doing that?
If it's such a real thing, which is killing so many people, wouldn't they just have the real bodies in the body bags?
Um, So many things didn't make sense.
The mannequins, where they had people who were suffering from COVID being shipped off by ambulances into the hospital, but then they were using mannequins instead of people.
And all of this put together, I was realising it's all like a film.
They're hiring actors to pretend to be victims of COVID.
Why are they hiring actors if it's such a real thing which is affecting so many people?
It didn't make sense to me.
But you realise you're in a minority, you were definitely in a minority then, you're still in a minority now.
Most people, even people who have got their wits about them and are wise to social media and wise to the internet and stuff, even then most people were taken in by this stuff, they didn't question it.
So what do you think it was about you that made you wise to it?
I really don't know.
This is like a phenomenon which we're dealing with at the moment.
There are a number of people who managed to see through the lies and obviously the majority believed them.
So what sets us apart from the others?
I really can't answer that.
I think it's Maybe the way I was raised, my parents were really open minded to a lot of things and they basically raised me to believe that anything could be possible and we shouldn't just trust People easily.
We should look into things ourselves.
Right.
So that helped.
Although my mum did actually fall for it at the beginning.
So I was trying to tell her not to believe what she was seeing on the news and stuff.
So I don't know.
I really don't know.
Did you manage to persuade her not to get the jab?
Yeah.
Was it a hard battle?
No, that wasn't the battle.
The battle was getting her to realise that the plandemic was not what they were saying it was.
That was the hard battle.
And also masking as well.
Right.
Well done.
I'm really, really impressed.
Nazarin Veronica doesn't sound a very English name.
No, yeah, my mum's Polish, but I was named after a church.
So, yeah, the Church of the Nazarene, you know, where Jesus was from Nazareth.
People of Nazareth were called Nazarenes, so that's what I was named after.
And I am actually a Christian, so it's like... Were you brought up a Catholic?
Sort of.
My family aren't really religious.
Despite naming you after Jesus of Nazareth.
It's funny.
I used to go to church with my grandma and it was like a Polish Catholic church in Halston.
So I did used to go to church but I kind of stopped believing in God for a few years.
And then recently, actually because of the pandemic again, I began to find, you know, a newfound belief in God, which was just so strong and I could just feel that that is, you know, the truth.
And it was, yeah, it was seriously amazing.
It was just like, it was the only thing that gave me hope and strength.
And it's the only reason, God is the only reason that I was able to do all of the things I've done in the past few years because I am doing God's work.
I did feel called to do it and it wasn't even really a choice, it just felt like it was my reason for living at that point.
So yeah, amazing.
So yeah, I'm really happy to hear this because I've gone through a similar experience.
But you've kind of answered my earlier question, which is why... I mean, I think you were chosen.
That would be my...
Explanation because it just on on on the the answers you've given me so far to my my questions It's not like you were already Massively down the rabbit hole you you know you weren't a kind of 9-11 truther or you weren't obsessed with the moon landing fake being fake or anything like that You were just what we actually what were you doing at the time?
At the time Were you a student or have you got a job or what?
So I was doing an apprenticeship with a council for housing property management and so yeah I was half studying half working at the time.
When the pandemic first happened I was actually unemployed because I was about to move on to my next job of Working for the council and doing the apprenticeship, but because it happened, they cancelled it and they said, sorry, we can't actually employ you because of this, you know, virus, which is killing everyone.
So they said that they're going to have to drop me and I couldn't start working with them.
So because of that, I'd already left my other job waiting to start my new one.
And then they just dropped me and I had no job for a while, which was Kind of hard, but at the same time, I was just enjoying myself during lockdown, to be honest, and I was free for months, so it was amazing.
And then they finally came back to me and said, you know, actually, we are doing this after all, so you can start your job.
And yeah, so it did give me a lot of time to research.
Right, but did they, did they pay you while you were not, or did they just?
No, I was, I had to go on Universal Credit, For the only time in my life which was yeah.
Looking back on that weird crazy era I mean there's not much to recommend it what was done was criminal and worse actually it was it probably you'll agree with me it was satanic actually.
I do remember fondly the joy of breaking the rules in lots of different ways.
So what did you do to show your contempt for the system?
Well, of course, you know, most restaurants and bars were closed.
Well, actually all.
So I couldn't really go out much.
My friends and I just basically went to the park every day, you know, had picnics.
I remember once I actually, I used to go to the park every single day at one point when it was really bad and literally everything was closed and we were only allowed out for one hour to exercise.
Do you remember that?
Yeah.
So I used to go to the park, Hampstead Heath, to Sunbathe because it was a short walk from where I was living at the time.
And I used to just lie in the sun all day.
And do you remember when the police were sort of patrolling in cars around parks, driving around, seeing if people were there for longer than an hour?
So the police, there was one time the police came round and they saw me lying there and they came back after like an hour and they saw I was still there.
So they came up to me, they got out of the car and came up to me and said, you've been here for longer than an hour, you need to go home.
And I was like, oh, but I'm exercising.
And they're like, no, you're not.
You're lying in the sun sunbathing.
So I just stood up and started doing star jumps.
And then I was like, no, I'm exercising.
See?
And they were like, they looked at each other, they didn't know what to do.
And then they just left and left me to it.
So, yeah, but there were so many times they would just come up to us and be like, you're not in the same bubble.
And then you'd have to lie and say, well, no, we're sisters actually, like me and my friend.
It was seriously, I sometimes forget that it even happened because it's that crazy.
It feels like a dream.
It's like, How did we allow that to happen?
I really don't get it.
And the fact people actually complied with it is even crazier to me.
I can't believe anyone actually sat in their houses all day thinking they were doing something good.
It's just... And isn't the scariest thing that now everyone's pretending like it never happened?
Yeah, it is the scariest thing.
Like with the... I forgot which...
I think it was a magazine, but they were asking for an amnesty for people's behaviour during lockdown and, you know, forcing people to wear masks and stuff.
And they were saying, oh, we didn't know that it wasn't as much of a threat as we thought it was.
So they're just literally refusing to sort of put their hands up and say we were wrong.
They're just saying you should forgive us because we didn't know.
I don't know, it just feels like we need some reparations for what happened.
But I just doubt that will ever happen.
I don't think it's... Do you not think, I mean, like as Christians, we're supposed to forgive, aren't we?
Yeah.
But I think that a necessary part of that is a sense of contrition on the part of the people being forgiven.
At least an apology.
Yeah.
Because until they acknowledge they did something wrong, The chances are they're going to do it all over again, probably harder next time.
Yeah, when the next big thing happens.
It's just crazy.
I was thinking, I almost got into a fight with a man on a train because I wasn't wearing a mask and he was, and he didn't like the fact that I was, well, I think what he really resented was the fact that I wasn't wearing a mask and that I wasn't going to bow down to the authorities in the way he was and he vented his frustration on me.
Yeah, I had a similar thing.
I wasn't wearing a mask.
I literally never wore a mask on public transport and one day a man came up behind me and he was wearing earphones and I was wearing earphones and I think he thought I couldn't hear him.
Because I was wearing earphones, but at the time the song just stopped playing so I could hear everything.
And he came up behind me and he was like, put your mask on you.
Can I swear?
Yeah, yeah, of course you can, yeah.
He called me a bitch.
So I turned around and I was like, sorry, what did you say?
And he turned around and he looked at me with, you know, his face was just shocked because he thought I couldn't hear him.
And then he starts sort of scurrying away.
And I just thought, I sat, I stood there and I was like, hmm, should I just let him go or should I chase him and, you know, make him answer me?
And I, at the time, I was already in a bad mood, so I was ready for the confrontation.
And I basically chased him down the platform because he was literally running away from me at the end.
Screaming at him saying, what did you just call me?
You just called me a bitch.
What?
Because I'm not wearing a mask.
And everyone on the platform was just looking at him and he looked so embarrassed.
Fantastic.
And finally, because he was, he was literally running away from me.
So I chased him, stopped him, you know, literally grabbed his arm to stop him.
And I said, you just verbally abused me and called me a bitch for not wearing a mask.
Can you explain to everyone here why you did that?
And he, had nothing to say or actually he was like well you should be wearing a mask and I was like well I'm choosing not to are you going to force me to do it are you going to put one on my face and he had nothing to say to that and then he I just walked away and everyone was laughing at him so yeah he was beaten by a girl he wasn't expecting it from me Add to the humiliation.
Well done, Nazrin.
That's really good.
Very satisfying.
So, were your friends initially sceptical of your position or were they all kind of, yeah, we're with you?
So, at the very beginning I was posting Videos basically telling people just to question things, not to go with everything, just question everything because there are some things in this which aren't making sense.
And videos explaining how getting the public into a negative mindset and, you know, feeling negative emotions like fear, anger, sadness, makes them very easy to control.
By higher powers.
So I was putting things, information like that out to my friends on my social media and I was met with a lot of friction, a lot of contempt and people began to argue with me, block me and unfollow me and stop talking to me essentially.
And I'm fine with arguments, like I'm very happy to have debates about things but when it... I just saw how many people were so quick to Stop talking to me.
Friends that I've literally had for years just blocking me with no explanation, nothing.
And then I realized, okay, there's something really, really, really weird going on here because they are so brainwashed by this information that they're seeing from all angles.
They're so brainwashed by it.
They're willing to throw away years of friendship because I have a difference of opinion to them.
And they're not even willing to debate me on it.
They just want to, Ignore the other side and just believe all of the information from one side.
So I was really taken aback by that.
I had, you know, people, I would go out and if I saw friends or people who knew me, they'd like laugh at me or, you know, call me names in the street.
Which is crazy, because I've never experienced anything like it.
At school I was really... Friends?
Calling you names on the street?
Not friends, but people who went to my school, for example.
Right.
Or just people I knew, but I wasn't close with them, but I knew them.
For example, I was at a restaurant once and a group of friends from my school, but they weren't my friends, they were just friends, but they were there.
They saw me and they began to laugh at me and point at me.
And then they said I'm an anti-vaxxer and then they just left the restaurant.
It was really weird.
They were like, oh, you've turned out to be an anti-vaxxer, haven't you?
And then they just left.
And I was like, really shocked.
Were they wearing masks?
Well, this was... No, they weren't, because this was...
In 2022, the beginning of 2022.
So people weren't really that crazy about things anymore.
They weren't wearing masks.
But I think they had a problem with my stance on vaccines.
Don't you think it's weird?
I mean, particularly, I'm excruciatingly aware of your generation, particularly, has been subjected to this relentless Brainwashing about things like microaggressions.
I mean, you're supposed to be the generation that really cares and everyone is super sensitive about other people's feelings.
If they've got the slightest thing wrong with them, slightest difference, they should be cherished and nurtured and stuff.
And yet, here's this thing which breaks all those rules.
Well, I think they only feel those emotions towards people who are like them.
And they've been conditioned to believe that anyone who has opinions which differ to their own don't deserve that same compassion and empathy, which it really makes no sense to me because I treat everyone with respect regardless of what they believe.
If I saw someone on the street wearing a mask, Even now, which I still see.
I'm not going to, you know, shout at them and go, oh, you're a masker, take your mask off, you look like an idiot.
You know, I'm not going to do that.
Because I respect their right to choose what they want to do with their own body.
If they want to get vaccinated and wear a mask, that's fine.
Obviously, I believe they should have all of the information regarding both sides before they make a decision, which they haven't got, sadly.
I still believe they have the right to choose that, so I'm not going to make fun of them for their decision, even though I believe that it's the wrong one.
Yeah, yeah.
It's just, I'm more willing to have a debate about things because I've never actually lost a debate regarding the COVID stuff.
Right.
Where do you have those debates?
Oh, all the time.
You know how I do outreach on the tubes and outside stations and on the street?
A lot of the time we encounter people who, even doctors, who come up to us and say, you're wrong, you're spreading misinformation to the public.
And we're very happy to have debates with them, obviously, because that's what our side's all about.
It's about truth.
And if I'm wrong, you know, tell me I'm wrong and explain to me why.
Show me your evidence.
And I'm more than happy to look at it because I'm very open minded.
But every single time I've had a debate with these people who don't believe what we believe, it always, they either walk away because they realise they're wrong, but they, you know, they can't admit it and they just walk away because they can't listen to us anymore.
Or they just go on and on about, you know, their opinions, leaving out any science because they don't have any science to back up their points.
It's, yeah, it's always Either those two options.
They are never right.
They never come out of it winning the debate.
So I think that says a lot because you have doctors coming up to regular members of the public and the regular members of the public know more about what we're talking about than the doctors do.
And how do you know, I mean, yeah, how do you know that you've won the debate?
Do they go off with their tail between their legs or do they go, Ooh, Maybe you're right.
I better do some more research.
Do they ever surrender?
We've had some people surrendering, but it is mostly them just walking off because they can't listen to us anymore.
And the reason I know we've won the debate is because we have science and they don't, and they can't contest our science.
They can't give any contesting information to sort of go against what we say.
You know, if you have statistics on your side, it does help your argument a lot, and they don't have that.
Well, OK, so we've gone forward now to the amazing stuff you're doing, sort of guerrilla debates on the tube and stuff.
But before we go there, I think this is the point where we're going to have my little break.
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Right.
Now we can go back.
So I want to just rewind a second.
Rewinding is probably a concept you're not familiar with because you post-date VHS videotapes but back in the day we used to have these things called cassette tapes and things.
Oh I know!
I'm not that young!
I'm just patronising you, Nazarine.
I'm just taking the piss.
I'm envious of your youth.
I was your age once and I wasn't nearly as clever as you and I completely fritted it away.
So when you went on this BBC programme and you, unlike me, you weren't completely shafted.
Remind me who the presenter was.
Hannah Fry, Professor Hannah Fry.
Yeah, you mean professor.
I mean, anyone with that title, anyone who uses that title is automatically suspect, don't you reckon?
Well, yeah.
I don't think I've met someone who is a professor who actually knows what they're talking about in regards to what we're talking about here.
No, absolutely not.
I'm presuming you didn't go to university?
No, I chose not to.
Dodged a bullet there, you really did.
Think of all that money you've saved.
I know!
So, okay, Professor Hannah Fry.
Yeah.
What did you make of her?
I think she's a very evil, dark person.
I went into it thinking she You know, was just innocent in this.
You know, she's just a victim of propaganda and she doesn't really understand what's happening.
She doesn't really understand what she's a part of.
But I left having realized that she is complicit in a very evil scam.
She's pushing an agenda which is killing people and injuring people.
And she knows that.
But she's doing it for the money.
That's obviously my opinion but it's based on many things which happened in that house.
Can you give me some examples?
Because those are quite strong claims.
Yeah, I had all of those stats and she assured me that some of them would be kept in and they weren't and she had power to change that.
She had a voice and she refused to actually stick to her promise which, you know, to me that If you're going to promise something, you know, with good intentions, you'll make sure it happens, and she didn't do that, so I think she was just saying that to make me trust her.
There was also a... There was just so much manipulation.
She came up to us, you know, there was a whole scene which was cut out because they realised it was way too patronising to leave in, but it was the placebo effect, the placebo slash nocebo effect, So they set us around a table and they brought us nappies with chocolate inside.
And they were like, OK, eat this chocolate in the nappies.
And it looked like poo, obviously.
They're trying to show us that, you know, we don't want to eat it because we're associating it with poo, whereas it's actually chocolate, which we do like.
So, you know, the fact it's in a nappy makes us think it's poo.
Trying to say that we're basically delusional for thinking the vaccine is harmful.
I'm still not working out how that particular trick works.
I mean, what... I don't know.
Are they saying that... What's the analogy here?
That because needles are scary that that's like... No, I think they're saying that if we If we believe that we're going to have an adverse reaction, then we will have one.
Right, okay.
So adverse reaction.
So, so, um, the, the poor old, um, uh, Alex who, who, who got blood plots and had to have a leg amputated.
This was all psychosomatic.
Yeah.
Right.
That's the BBC line.
Yeah.
I mean, that's what I, We had a conversation afterwards where, you know, it got quite heated.
That was actually left in and you can actually see the nappy on the table.
But they just removed the scene of them giving it to us and telling us to eat it.
But yeah, we got quite annoyed, obviously, because we were saying that, you know, things like heart attacks, you can't just make them happen through your mind.
It's something which is causing it.
You know, you have to have a health issue or something has to happen inside your body for that to actually happen.
You can't just Imagine, okay, I'm going to have a heart attack and then you just have one.
It's, it's, yeah, what they were saying was crazy.
They also gave us a can of dog food.
It was a pedigree, the yellow can for dogs.
Um, and then they put chocolate inside that as well and they told us to eat it.
It was just so patronizing and she did that.
It was her who brought it to us, you know?
And, I don't know.
I just feel like if somebody asked me to do that, I wouldn't do it because it's so patronising.
I wouldn't want to be seen doing that to people and basically treating people like brain dead children who can't think logically and who have to be shown things through, you know, jelly beans Chocolate and nappies and chocolate and dog poo.
I mean, dog food cans.
It was really crazy.
Do you also just... Yeah.
Sorry, Caroline.
Your housemates, it was like the Big Brother house, was it?
You were sort of... Yeah.
Did you all have to stay there?
Yeah, we had to stay there for five days, four nights.
So it was literally daily filming.
It was so exhausting.
I had mental breakdowns every single day.
I was literally on the floor crying on some days because I couldn't believe how evil they were.
You know, obviously, there's the scene of me telling Hannah Fry that I have a friend who experienced really, really awful adverse reactions from her vaccine.
You know, she had, I think, over 65 different adverse reactions to one vaccine.
So that's obviously not made up.
You can't imagine that and fake that.
And then she just said that, I think she said, how do you know it's from the vaccine?
You know, how do you know it's not from something else or it wouldn't have happened anyway?
This is a friend, it happened to a friend of yours who's your age?
Yeah, well, she's 28, so she's a bit older than me, but still, a 28-year-old shouldn't be dealing with suspected heart attacks, strokes, seizures.
You know, that shouldn't be paralysis.
These aren't things you can just imagine or manifest to happen.
They're things which, you know, are caused by something.
And in this case, it was caused by a vaccine or a vaccine.
Professor Hannah Fry was unmoved by this.
She probably just thought it was an anecdote that was untrustworthy.
I mean, I showed her video evidence of the seizures.
That was also in the documentary.
But yeah, the professor couldn't make the obvious link.
So, it says a lot.
I mean, I'm familiar with the tactics that they use.
They do try and grind you down.
When I had my experience at the hands of the BBC, they grilled me for about five hours and I was desperate for a cup of tea, a bit of cake or something.
I was getting massive sugar lows.
It's like being interrogated.
They keep going through it until they get the answer they want, rather than the answers that are true.
That's exactly what it is.
That's exactly what happened with us literally every single day.
There was a time when we were filming for pretty much the whole day and they, on that day, they only provided one meal.
So I was starving and then they were like, don't worry, there's food in the kitchen.
I went to the kitchen, it was crisps, chocolate, sweets, like really, really bad things, which I don't even eat.
Normally.
I do occasionally, but that's not something I choose to eat.
I choose to eat things which actually fuel my body and my brain.
And it just felt like they were doing it to really weaken us and to make us not be able to think clearly and not be able to think as quickly so that we don't come up with the answers which are appropriate for the question, which is what happened.
A lot of people did mess up and they said things which they regret saying.
Because they were just exhausted and, yeah, just made weak because of what they were doing.
And they were just using crazy tactics, like waking us up really early in the morning, 5, 6am, for no reason, because filming started at midday.
So... Very interesting.
That is another tell.
Definitely.
Not enough sleep, no good food.
I mean they did, to be fair, they did have a caterer but that was one to two meals daily and on that one day it was only one meal that we were given so it was, yeah, we weren't being fed enough in my opinion and I do think that on some days that was on purpose.
Were they paying you for this?
No, we got paid in compensation but I ended up losing so much money because I had two jobs at the time and I had to take leave and it wasn't paid leave it was unpaid leave for both of my jobs so they only compensated 250 pounds I think and I would have earned like over a thousand.
They do this thing.
I mean this is this is part of their exploitation everyone thinks when you're on TV You're in the money, and they do have this thing where they talk about and we can't we can't pay you, but we can compensate you Yeah, and they give you a derisory Which is fine.
I was willing to do it for free because for me it was more about getting the message out there Holy mission Yeah, but a lot of people did think that I was a paid actor because they're like, well the BBC had you on so you're obviously a paid actor, you're not genuine, you know, you can't be trusted, which was crazy.
I even had someone threaten me because I was going to a march not long after it had aired and it was a march for the victims of the vaccine and Someone messaged me saying, if I see you at the march, I'm going to hurt you because you're a paid actor.
I can't remember exactly how they worded it, but they just basically threatened me and they said they're going to hurt me in some way.
So I had people out of the movement messaging me, telling me I am an evil person for promoting a message which is killing people, you know, that I'm an anti-vaxxer and I'm going to kill people through that.
And then I had people in the movement also, you know, attacking me, saying that I'm a paid actor, making public videos about me, saying that I'm not who I say I am and things like that.
So I was just being attacked from all angles.
But yeah, like I said, the only thing that gave me strength through that time was God.
And somehow I got through it.
That's brilliant.
No, I'm very glad.
I'm very glad that you had that sort of protection.
Yeah.
And you're right, when you've got that confidence, you can do anything.
Yeah, even in the house when we were doing the filming for the documentary, It felt like God was just putting things into my brain, like things to say, because I was coming up with information that I don't remember ever seeing.
And somehow it was all right.
I was checking afterwards and it was all right.
And I was like, how did this even happen?
I don't remember ever seeing this.
But somehow the right things came into my brain at the right times.
And I was able to literally win most of the debates with them.
Because of the things that were coming into my head.
Obviously that wasn't shown in the documentary because they edited it to make it like they were winning everything and we were just, you know, the idiots who were sat there nodding our heads.
But it was really amazing what was happening.
And at the end of the filming I'd just break down because it took so much energy out of me.
It was like everything had just left me and I was just like a shell of a human being.
And I would break down, go to the room I was staying in, close the door and just fall on the floor and cry.
And then there was a church about two minutes away from the house.
And that's where we were allowed to go because we couldn't really go much further.
And I would go to the church every single day in the morning and in the evening.
And I would go there, there'd never be anyone there.
It would always be just me and then Jesus.
And I would go in front of him and just fall onto the floor and cry.
And I would hold his foot and for some reason that's where I got my energy from and then all the energy would flow back into me and I'd feel like a new human being again and be ready for the next debate.
It was so crazy.
That's amazing.
So you never had a vicar turn up?
No, no.
There was one day where there was a choir of very elderly people and that was on the last day of filming and actually we were all there at the same time.
All of the people in the house just came in at once and then they were there and they sort of let us in and we had this surreal moment of just appreciation and love and We all were crying, it was really emotional.
And I just think that was just us realising that we were all on a mission, led by God.
We were God's soldiers and he was using us to convey this information to his people.
Do you think if you hadn't been there, it would have turned out very differently?
I mean, how awake were the other people in the house?
So both me and Vicky were on the same page.
We were both told by mutual friends that we were going to be on it together so we knew to trust each other.
Obviously we didn't know who else we could trust because we didn't know how many people would be actors and you know.
But we met each other on the first day and we sort of stuck together.
But the other people were awake, they just weren't as prepared for the I think what the BBC would do, they went into it probably more trusting, I would say, of the BBC and just sort of, you know, believing that it was actually going to be a way to sort of, you know, just share their views.
Yeah.
As opposed to a hit piece, which is what it turned out to be.
So, yeah, both me and Vicky kind of kept each other strong throughout it.
We looked after each other.
You know, we were all pretty close towards the end, to some degree.
But both me and Vicky went into it knowing it was going to be a set up and we had a plan in place.
We had, you know, sources of information whenever we would need them.
And we stuck to our plan and we managed to succeed.
So I do think that if we weren't there, it would have been very different because First of all, they wouldn't have mentioned the Pfizer documents in my opinion.
I think that, I'm sure that was just because of me because no one else mentioned them.
And I think they just felt like they had to include something.
And that was luckily the thing that they chose to include, which changed so many people's minds.
I had so many people messaging me saying I was pro-vax before this.
And after watching this, I realised that, you know, you clearly know something I don't.
You were right about it.
They even agreed with you.
And I can't believe that I only just found this out from a 20, I was 21 years old at the time, from a 21 year old girl when it should have been told to me a long time ago by the government.
Like why didn't they tell us this?
So luckily I had people who told me that they, because of what I said, they're now not going to vaccinate their children.
And they were going to before.
So I feel like I must've saved at least one life.
Yeah.
Like if you go by the stats, which is so amazing and I'm so happy that I did choose to do it because I was kind of ready to say, to give up and just be like, no, I'm not going to go through this hassle because it's too much.
I don't want to have to deal with all of the repercussions, but I'm really glad that I did choose to, you know, stick to it and go ahead with it.
But I can't, yeah, like I said, I didn't really have a choice because it was God telling me to do it.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's absolutely brilliant.
And did you get... what happened afterwards when it... so the programme was aired.
What was the... what was the feedback?
What was the... how did it work out?
So, we had loads of newspaper articles written about it.
Every single one was basically making us look like we were idiots and completely in favour of what the BBC had done.
Except for The Guardian who wrote an article saying that it was a painfully patronising documentary by the BBC.
They gave it a one star review out of five and they compared it to Big Brother sponsored by Pfizer.
Really?
How did that slip through the net?
Because the Guardian was pushing it as heavily as everyone else.
I don't know.
I think it was the journalist who wrote that article.
She said that she was happily triple vaxxed.
But, you know, she didn't agree with what they'd done to us.
She didn't agree with how they tried to make us look.
I think she knew that we were heavily censored in there.
And I think she knew that it was Edited to make us look silly.
Because, yeah, I don't know.
I think she was just... You know, Nazmin, I didn't watch it at the time, because I knew that if I reviewed it, that what I said about it was not going to get run as I wrote it, because for various reasons.
So I didn't bother.
But you've really tempted me to To have a look at it now, knowing what I know.
Do you think that any of them were, what are they called, crisis actors?
Any of your fellow cast members, or were they actors at all?
Well, I mean, a lot of people said that there are two actors.
I mean, fair enough, one of them actually is an actor, but just because you're an actor doesn't mean that you are being hired by the BBC I don't think so but I just I don't know I don't know them well enough I really can't say.
I think the ancient Greeks would disagree with you.
I think the ancient Greeks thought that being an actor automatically made you a liar.
Really?
Yeah I think so.
I don't know.
I really don't know.
I know that he is an actor, but, you know, actors are also speaking out about the Covid vaccine.
You know, there are many actors who are famous and speaking out about it.
So he could just genuinely, you know, be an actor and also have a view on this.
I don't know.
I'm being harsh.
I'm friends with some actors who are nice and I think are decent.
But I think generally one has to be a bit suspicious of people whose job is pretending to be something they're not.
I've met a lot of actors, really famous ones, who I now know to be I mean, you're aware of what Hollywood actors do, how embedded they are in the Luciferian system and stuff.
Yeah, I know, yeah.
I mean, we're talking probably they're involved in the worst kind of child abuse.
Satanic rituals.
Satanic rituals.
Pedophilia.
I've interviewed a few of these guys and I thought you're great.
I love you.
You're so nice.
You were so nice to me and I you're my friend, you know, we could have dinner together because you're on the screen and now we've met and we're really good friends and you're a nice guy.
No, it's just like they're actors.
That's their job.
I know but I know some actors in the movement who were very awake and speaking out about it.
So it's I mean, he's not that well known.
He's only been in like a few tiny roles from what I've seen.
So, I don't know.
I would say no, but I just don't know.
I seriously don't know.
I don't speak to them anymore.
It doesn't matter anyway.
What you've said is far more interesting and damning of the BBC.
So, did you...
I mean, you presumably became much more famous as a result of this, probably on the internet more than on... you didn't become a kind of... you weren't like Captain Tom on the front page of a newspaper for going on your zimmer frame around your garden, you know, you didn't reach that level of... I remember that!
No.
What do you... actually, tell me, what did you think about the Captain Tom psy-op?
Well, at the time I think I was Very young, too young to sort of question things.
I don't remember, what year was that?
Well it was, it was in the early days.
It was when people were banging pots and pans for our NHS.
Oh, was it?
Yeah.
I thought, okay, I'm thinking about something else I think.
No.
Was it that he did a charity walk around his garden?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
And apparently some of the money since has gone to his daughter, who I think ran the charity.
She spent the money on a spa for her house or something.
Really?
Yeah, it just gets better and better.
Oh my gosh.
Well then, yeah.
That is shocking.
But at the same time, I'm not shocked.
No, exactly.
I mean, it was just insane.
And it was clown world.
And yet everyone believed in clown world.
Everyone got in the clown car, pretty much, apart from a few of us who were going, hang on a second.
That's a clown car.
They've got red noses and wigs and white face paint.
It's so obvious.
Yeah.
So then you Went up a gear, if that's the right phrase, and you started doing that brave thing which I could never do.
I mean, when I see a busker getting on a tube carriage and sort of making those first moves towards engaging the carriage and everyone's going, well, looking at their phones.
How do you do it?
What's the technique?
You just need to think You know, what is the reason behind why I'm doing this?
And obviously for me, that's God.
I can't ignore that.
You know, if I have, if I know I need to get information out and I'm being censored online, then clearly the only reason, I mean, the only way to do that is by going to the public directly.
Because we have, we, you know, online, we are in an echo chamber, sadly.
We are, Being censored and we're only reaching people who already know the information.
Good point.
You know, and if you post on Rumble, for example, there's only a certain amount of people who use Rumble and they're usually awake because they know to go to this sort of uncensored social media.
That's when you just maybe realise that actually this interview, this chat is a complete waste of time.
No!
No, because it still gives people hope and inspiration.
That's true.
Our side still needs to hear things, but in terms of explaining why the vaccine's unsafe, explaining why COVID was a hoax, explaining why, you know, our side doesn't need to hear that because we already know.
The public who were brainwashed need to hear it and they are on the streets.
They're not going to see my posts because they're not following me or My posts aren't going to reach them because they're only reaching like-minded people.
So yeah, my friend Ramis, he was doing outreach long before I started.
He was going, he had a song called Don't Take the Vaccine and it went viral.
I love that song.
It was very catchy.
Yeah, it went viral.
Don't take the vaccine, yep.
So how did you meet Ramis?
You say, you casually drop my friend Ramis.
How did you meet Ramis?
So I just basically there was a school next to where I was living at the time in Waterloo and it was a boys school and they I heard two boys I was walking to the station and I heard they were walking behind me and I heard them talking about they were going to do the vaccines in in school and they were talking about an assembly they'd had that day where the teachers basically manipulated the Students into getting the vaccine.
They were saying, I don't want to take it.
Are you going to take it?
So I just turned around and I was like, I'm really sorry to interrupt.
Like I really don't mean to intrude, but can you, are you talking about the COVID vaccine?
And then they were like, yeah, like today our teacher, um, had an assembly where she said that we're going to get vaccinated next week and we don't have to have it, but we are basically bad people if we choose not to have it because it's, you know, you need to have it.
And we feel, you know, embarrassed not to do it because most, You know, students are saying they want to have it, but we're saying we don't and we're not sure.
So I was like, listen, you are perfectly entitled to not have it if you choose not to have it.
You have to speak to your parents, tell them the information.
You know, do you have any science?
I have loads of things here I can show you.
Just give your parents this information because they need to know this before they make the decision as to whether or not you're going to get vaccinated.
I basically promised them I was going to come to their school and make a public speech outside their school.
And I knew Ramis was doing that.
He was going to, you know, schools around the UK and playing his song, Don't Pick the Vaccine.
And basically all the students loved him and loved what he was, you know, about because they, you know, as young people, I guess they have that rebellious side to them.
And if they know something's not right, they want to speak out.
We were being told that it's a bad thing to do with this particular situation.
And they found someone who was older than them, you know, and who they could look up to, who was choosing to speak out about this.
And they sort of, you know, got inspired by that.
So he was doing an amazing job going through literally so many schools.
And I think he had a massive part to play in the reason that people Chose not to vaccinate their children to that degree because we had, I can't remember what the statistic was, but it was a very, very low number of children who actually got it in the end.
That's good to hear.
Yeah.
Did you ever find out whether there's two kids that you accosted?
Well, so I messaged Ramiz and asked him if he has any leaflets that I can print out before I go to the school so I can give out leaflets to the children to give to their parents.
And he was like, he was amazed that I was willing to go to a school on my own as a 21 year old girl and do that kind of work.
So he was like, listen, I'm going to come with you.
Don't worry, I'm going to bring the leaflets.
And we met up that, I think the week after, he brought some people who, you know, he was doing the school outreaches with so he could sort of go as a group as opposed to one person on their own.
And he brought his speaker and his megaphone and we all went together and we went outside that school and the two boys who were there were so happy to see us.
And we played the song, I was shouting out stats with the megaphone and we were handing out leaflets to all of the students and they gave them to their parents, I guess, which is what we told them to do.
Wow.
So yeah, we definitely made a difference and it's not even about Making a difference.
It's just giving the students the confidence to speak out because they see people doing it.
And also, the way we do it, it makes it kind of look cool in a weird way.
So obviously, if they think that's actually the cool thing, not to get the vaccine, but to speak out against it, they'll be more likely to do it themselves as well, especially if they already think that there's something wrong with it.
Yeah, it was definitely very fun.
And do you think there's a... Excuse me.
Don't worry.
Do you think that sort of word spread, sort of word of mouth across schools, it... Oh yeah, definitely.
...couldn't be everywhere?
Yeah, definitely, because the students would record us and then post it on their social media.
Fantastic.
So you were doing this presumably in London?
Yeah, well I was doing it in London but he was doing it throughout Cornwall, I can't remember where else, but he was doing it around the UK.
Good old roomies!
I wish I'd, I should have, well I suppose I can still have them on the pod at some stage.
Yeah, I mean I really approve of this kind of direct action because all I do is
Podcasts and the occasional live thing, but you know you you and him put me to shame you would have saved lots of lots of lives there Yeah, I mean, I think we all have a part to play in this and everyone's got a different part to play so obviously you Your podcast is giving people in the movement confidence inspiration you know you you definitely have a massive part to play because people will watch your podcasts and see
That there's people out there doing work like this and it might inspire them to do it as well.
So it's definitely, I think everyone's got a role to play in this and this is just my role.
So when you do your guerrilla activity, whatever you want to call it.
Outreach.
Guerrilla outreach.
Do you have a sort of, a regular group of friends?
I mean, you're not part of any organisation, are you?
Just you and your mates?
Yeah, we don't get paid to do it at all.
In fact, we actually pay money into it.
So we're using our own money as well as donations because there are people who luckily donate towards leaflets because it costs a lot of money to print leaflets.
But yeah, we do have a regular group.
We have a group on Telegram, a group chat, and we just sort of, you know, see who's free.
And depending on who's free, we just go out and we We do it whenever we plan to.
Can new people join your group if they want to?
Do you want to give the name of your Telegram group?
We've had things like that before and it's gone wrong.
You don't know who you can trust.
But we do encourage people to make their own groups.
Go out with their friends and Do a similar thing if they feel inspired to because it really is powerful and obviously the more people do that the better because you're reaching more people.
We can only reach so many people with our group.
Can I just say what you've said there is so true and so important.
I never want to join any groups because they're almost always Either they're set up by people who are not to be trusted, or they get co-opted very, very quickly.
The only way of doing it is to kind of, you also DIY stuff.
Yeah, just basically, yeah.
I mean, with things like this, you have to stick with people you can trust, because it is something that you can get.
Like one time we had a police officer, an undercover police officer confront us, and then More police had followed us as well, and it was the weirdest situation where they were basically following us and waiting for an altercation.
And as soon as one happened, because one of the passengers got really upset at us because we were spreading false information, and he stood up and he started shouting at us.
Oh no, I think he saved that, but he was shouting at us.
And then the police officer, the undercover police officer, came up to us and then they were like, you're causing a breach of peace.
You have to leave.
So he'd been following us the entire time and I did notice there was a man following us, but I didn't realise he was a police officer.
What did he look like?
Black clothing.
I think he was blonde.
I can't remember.
There's a video on my Twitter.
Blonde, black uniform.
That sounds like a Nazi.
But do you think that the person who... I did see this video or I sort of glanced at it in that kind of distracting way that one does when one's flicking through social media.
Do you think that the person who complained was real?
Yeah, I think he was.
Yeah, he was wearing a mask.
Ah, yes.
Reading a newspaper I think.
Right.
From what I remember.
Okay.
So, tell me about the reactions you get generally to your guerrilla outreach.
So, it's surprising because, I mean, I did Yellow Boards before this.
Are you familiar with Yellow Boards?
Yeah, yeah.
I like Yellow Board people.
Yeah, so I was doing them before, even before the documentary.
And we had so many negative interactions.
In fact, most interactions were negative.
We had people laughing at us.
We had people pointing at us and making fun of us.
We had literal physical attacks, verbal attacks, people pushing our signs out of our hands.
It was crazy.
And I would say most interactions back then were negative.
Whereas now, most interactions through doing outreach are positive.
There's been a massive turnaround and I do feel that people realise they've been lied to and they are angry about it and they're less trusting of news outlets and the government and more trusting of people who were warning them from the start and they chose not to listen to them before whereas now they are choosing to listen to us because they realise that we are actually a more trustworthy source of information than the government and the news.
So they're more willing to hear what we've got to say and Yeah, it's pretty cool, but we do still have some negative interactions, I'm not going to lie.
But most, I would say, are positive.
We have people asking us questions, asking us for more information, asking us for an extra leaflet so they can give it to their friend or family member.
It's, yeah, really positive and I think it's definitely a step in the right direction because people are willing to trust each other.
As opposed to the higher powers.
What do you talk about?
We talk about the COVID vaccine sometimes.
We've sort of moved on from that now because it's not really as relevant anymore.
There's not really a push for it anymore.
But we do still include that because I think it is important to reiterate things.
And also because pregnant women are still being told to get it.
And that's awful.
So it's good to get the information still, you know, Then we talk about central bank, digital currency, digital ID, the social credit system and, you know, how that might be implemented into our lives in the future, not just the Chinese people's lives because, you know, we use them as an example and we explain what's happening to them and then we say that it could happen to us.
We talk about the World Economic Forum and how evil they are and what they're trying to push.
Agenda 2030, or the Great Reset, as they're calling it.
We basically talk about all of these conspiracy theories, but we basically back them up with evidence.
We have a video that the World Economic Forum actually released themselves about the Great Reset, explaining that they're going to try and limit our meat consumption, and we're going to own nothing and be happy.
So all of these things, it's literally evidence.
They've given it away.
They've told us they're doing it, which is their whole, you know, that's what Satanists do.
They have to tell you they're doing something.
You're right.
So that you accept it.
And, you know, they can just say, well, we told them we were going to do it.
They accepted it.
So it's not, we're not going to get punished for it.
I can tell you've, you've, you've done a lot of, you spent a lot of time down the rabbit hole.
That one, I think, I learned from the guy who used to be a high-level bag man for the cabal, the powers that be, the predator class, whatever.
And he talked about this weird notion that they have of sort of karma, that you are somehow excused from moral responsibility for the evil actions you take if you tell people what you're going to do.
And then they're just like, they deserve it.
Yeah, then it's on them because they've accepted it.
So I do believe that's what the World Economic Forum are doing.
They're telling us what they're going to do before they do it and they're getting us comfortable with it so that when it does happen, we accept it.
And they're, you know, doing it all under the guise of global warming and saying, you know, it's for the health of the planet and our people and just blatant lies.
Because if you actually look at You know, the temperatures and the climate is actually getting cooler at the moment.
It's cooling down as opposed to warming up.
So there's no global warming happening.
You know, the climate is changing, but it's changed since the beginning of time.
It's changed.
It's fluctuated in temperature.
So it's normal and it's going to happen regardless of what we do.
We're not going to make an impact on it.
You know, we can't, we can't change.
The way that the earth is made, it's made to fluctuate in temperature.
So it's just people are, again, believing a load of crap without looking into the science.
Even, I forgot his name, but the founder of Greenpeace.
Oh yeah, Patrick Moore.
Yeah.
He's an old mate of mine.
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
That's so cool.
But yeah, he's, he's come out and said it's all a scam as well.
Yeah.
Um, so, you know, there's people who, Literally, we're a part of it who are now realising that it was a scam and coming out and saying, you know, don't believe this.
It's bullshit.
Yes.
But it's a bit like what we were talking earlier about the clown car and they've all got their wigs and their red noses and their white faces.
It's so obvious to us.
But it's amazing the number of people who just have to sort of be told by the BBC and Sky News that the plant is burning and it's all our fault.
Yeah.
And they ignore the evidence all around them that this isn't happening and they go, well, it says so on the telly.
They believe it.
And David Attenborough too.
David Attenborough!
Good old lovely ket with his soft, whispery voice.
I mean, how could you not believe David Attenborough?
I know.
They know what they're doing.
It's like, yeah, they know what they're doing.
They're using manipulation tactics on the public and they're working again.
So you're obviously wise to what's going on and you and you being a Christian you understand that ultimately this is a spiritual war.
So just give me the big picture.
What do you think is going on?
Well, I think that.
Well, I don't even I'm not even going to say the World Economic Forum because they're not even at the top.
You know, we think they're at the top but they're not.
I believe that at the very top There is the devil and I think he does run this world.
So that is the evil energy which is trying to destroy the public and remove God from our lives.
I think they're trying to get us to trust science over God, to trust the government over God, to look to the government for solutions instead of looking to God, which is literally what's happening.
You know, they're making our lives so Worrying and basically putting fake emergencies into our lives to make us feel negative emotions like fear, anger, worry.
And then we're looking to people for a solution and we're looking, well I'm not, but you know the majority of the public are looking to the government for a solution and they're trusting these people who don't actually have their best interests at heart.
And I believe that there is going to be a One World Government eventually, or they're going to try and push it.
Whether it happens, I don't know.
But I think that they're going to, I think the World Economic Forum and the World Health Organization are going to have a massive part to play in it.
And I think they're going to be a part of this One World Government where every single country in the world are going to have one government controlling them all.
With the same policies, the same restrictions, the same mandates, the same punishments, people who refuse to go with it.
And I think we're going to have a social credit system in place where we are being punished for going against what the government are telling us to do.
For example, if they tell us we have to eat a certain amount of meat a week and we can't surpass the limit, people who do choose to surpass that limit will get punished.
By having their credit score, their social credit score, lowered.
And other things like using, you know, a diesel or petrol car as opposed to an electric one, which can be switched off whenever the government decide, because, you know, if you don't have electricity, you can't charge it.
So, and who's in charge of the electricity?
Not us.
So, I do...
I think that we do have hard times coming up, but we just need to stay strong and resist everything.
Refuse to comply with everything.
You know, it's all starting so easily, like with the EULAs and, you know, 15-minute cities.
But I think it's just the beginning.
And I think we should refuse to comply with the things which are happening now.
For example, I had a meeting at my council, it was a staff conference, and I stood up and I said I disagreed with the director of housing, who's at the very top, people are literally scared to talk to him, and I stood up and I disagreed with him in front of hundreds of people, publicly spoke up and said that what they're doing is tyrannical.
He said his plan is to make the council or the borough a Carbon neutral borough by 2030.
And obviously this is all bringing up Agenda 2030 vibes.
So I just stood up and I just said, what you're doing is tyrannical.
What are you going to do?
Take away people's rights?
Are you going to stop them from being able to make their own decisions about how they want to live their own lives?
Um, what else did I mention?
Oh yeah.
Are you going to introduce more ULAs?
Um, which is already causing problems to the public.
And then I, Basically said that global warming is a scam and I explained everything that I said earlier and everyone was just shocked and then they were all clapping me afterwards because they're all, you know, sort of feeling the same sort of things and they can see the problems that are arising with this and they refused to address the question.
Wow!
I'm surprised you weren't sacked.
No, I mean I don't think you can be sacked for an opinion.
What was the context?
Where was this meeting?
It was in our council that I work for, in the housing department.
It was a staff conference.
It was meant to be about housing but then he brought that up so I felt like I had to say something because I couldn't just sit there in silence and ignore the fact he's pushing this agenda onto people.
Yeah, I had people coming up to me afterwards saying, you know, thank you for speaking up for us all, you know, I've had to deal with the expansion of the ULAs and I, you know, I'm literally losing so much money on this, on just getting to work.
I can see the issues that are coming up with this and yeah, global warming is a load of bullshit as well, so thanks for calling me back.
They said that!
Council workers said that!
I thought they were all so woke and so on board with the...
A lot of them are.
Most of them are, I would say, but I had a lot of people agreeing with my points of the, you know, it being a breach of human rights, essentially.
So, yeah, I had loads of people coming up to me afterwards and I actually pulled him aside, the director of housing, I pulled him aside afterwards and I said, sorry, can I just talk to you for a second because you refused to answer my question, so are you going to do it in private?
And I basically put the pressure on him and he actually accepted that He couldn't argue with me on some of the points and he said, I actually don't disagree with you about a lot of things, but he basically said that he isn't in a position to speak up about it and he's just relaying information he's being told to give.
Yeah.
So it does make you question who's above him and who's above him and who's above him and who's at the very top of this.
There's that single eye staring from near the top and then at the very top he's got, he's got horns and a forked tail.
Yeah, exactly.
That's it.
Nazmin, I've so, I've so enjoyed talking to you.
It's been, I do hope I meet you on some sort of freedom festival or something.
It's brilliant what you've done.
Where can people find you and, you know, see your stuff or support you or whatever?
So I'm on Twitter, Instagram, Rumble, YouTube and now TikTok as well but I'm not really using that as much but I still do post on there sometimes.
And my username is Nazarin Veronica.
So you can find me on those platforms.
Right.
I'm going to check out a few more of your guerrilla outreach episodes.
So thank you.
And I'm glad I finally managed to track you down because, of course, you know, unlike most of us, people who do this podcast, a lot of people sort of retire or they haven't got day jobs, but you actually do actually work for a living.
Yeah.
So, anyway, good luck with everything you do, and I'm really glad.
I mean, it's great having God on your side, isn't it?
What do your parents think, by the way?
Oh yeah, they're completely on board, luckily.
And they're beginning to turn to God more as well, the more that they see.
Because when you realise that there is such evil beyond comprehension, You know, you realise everything in life has an opposite to it.
So if there's that level of evil, there must be the same level of good to balance out.
So a lot of people are turning to God now, which is amazing.
A lot of it, for that reason you've just described, I mean, that was pretty much, that's one of the main reasons I found, I found God, because you think, this is so bad.
Hang on a second, there is a counter to this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everything has an opposite, so an equal and opposite reaction.
Well, of course, except that ultimately the good wins.
Exactly.
I truly believe that.
So I know there are good times ahead, but there are also probably dark times as well, which are coming up before the good comes.
So we just need to stay strong through that and hold each other through it.
And yeah, we'll be fine.
Yeah, we'll be fine.
We've got God on our side so we'll win eventually.
Yes, all should be well and all manner of things should be well.
Exactly, yeah.
That's good.
It only remains for me, all you lucky viewers and listeners, how good was this podcast?
I so enjoyed it.
I loved meeting Nazarene and She's great.
You can see the light shining from her.
Obviously you should support Nazarene.
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I think the first two are probably the best.
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Lots of people buy me a coffee and that's always really appreciated.
Several coffees.
Loads of coffees.
So much coffee that I'd almost die and I don't mind.
Just buy me lots.
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