James catches up with his old mate, actor turned political campaigner and Reclaim Party leader Laurence 'Lozza' Fox, and gives him a grilling: why on earth is he standing in the Uxbridge by-election? And why does he want people to like him? They also broach the contentious topic of Controlled Opposition: who is, who isn't, and can't we just all get along?
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Welcome to The Delling Ad with me, James Dellingpole, and I'm really excited about a very special event I've got coming up quite soon with our old friend Clive DeCarle.
This is my first, well actually it's my second, I lie, or maybe my third, my third Dellingpole event outside London and the smaller events are really good.
I mean they don't have the crowds of the London events but They're more intimate and you get more chance to spend quality time with James.
Anyway, my special guest is Clive De Carl and if you turn up you can discover all sorts of exciting things like is Clive's voice really as silky and yet sort of strangely nicotine stained as it sounds on the podcast?
Can he really be that laid-back in real life?
Of course, maybe you want to ask him how you cure the Big K. The Big K, of course, is something completely different from cancer.
And as you know, it's illegal to talk about any alternative methods of treating cancer.
But Clive can talk about all sorts of other conditions which are quite similar, like the one beginning with K. And we'll talk about other things as well.
I think Clive is keen to talk about the battle for freedom and what we can do to escape the encroaching tyranny.
Anyway, The event is in Dorset.
I thought, you know, I'd give the South Coast a chance to experience the Deling Pod.
And it's not far, it's outside Poole at a venue called the Hamworthy Club, if any of you know the Hamworthy Club.
It kicks off about seven, I might change the time and make it a bit earlier, I don't know yet, but seven roughly.
And it's on the 28th of July.
I didn't even mention that, did I?
I didn't mention the key detail.
28th of July.
July.
I'm going to put the booking details below.
It's going to sell out fairly quickly.
My events tend to.
So I'd get in there quick if I were you.
And I really look forward to meeting you.
Those of you I've met before and those of you I've never had the joy of meeting.
Anyway, it's going to be fun.
Of course it's going to be fun.
Look forward to seeing you there.
Welcome to The Delling Pod with me, James Dellingpoll.
And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I really am.
It's a kind of, it's like one of the reunions I have online with my brother Dick.
I haven't seen Lozza for like ages and I mean this is how we're catching up isn't it Lozza?
It is babe and I'm sorry I just want to thank the guy in Uxbridge and Ryslip on Uxbridge High Street who knows how hard it is to give up smoking so he gave me this massive cigar which I'm going to smoke while we talk.
Oh!
Why did you give up smoking?
Because when they did my neck operation they told me that they said you can drink all you like, you can do pretty much anything to your body but if you smoke you will die an agonising death.
You know how much I smoke.
Yeah, that's true.
You're right, you don't do stuff in moderation, do you?
Oh, I can do... I can do... in lozeration.
Yeah.
But you have always had that sort of slight quality about you.
I think it's what comes of having the kind of the thespian genes in you.
You're just kind of, I hate to use the word hellbound because that would be unfair, but you know, you lot, you push it, don't you?
And slightly judgmental.
But I had this chat the other day.
I was sat there with Who was it?
Yeah, someone was saying to me, like, you've really got to, because we got all of our polling back for the by-elections and all this stuff, and everything that I stand for is like 70% of people agree with, at least.
So it's non-political.
Pretty much 70% of people.
So I'm like, well, I'll be MP for Oxford Bridge and South, where I slip by next week, or 20th of July, won't I?
And it's like, no.
No, of course I won't.
And I was thinking, why?
So I spoke to Jeremy, who backs Me and Baxter and Barty and he said, um, why don't you speak to my reputational manager?
My, you know, give him a bell.
And before we have a talk, and I went, all right, I'll give him a phone.
So I phoned up his reputational manager and his reputational manager goes, you've got to rein it in.
You've just, you've just got to be more statesmanlike.
You've got to do it.
You've got to do a thing where you, where you, where you turn around to the public and you go, Look I know that I come from this artistic background and I'm very creative and you know I believe these things passionately but I've not provided you, the public, with enough comfort to entrust me with your vote.
So from today, from this day forward, I will be Lozza the whatever the fuck I'm not, essentially.
So he's saying that the voters want inauthenticity?
How did it go with the reputational manager?
I then phoned up Jeremy.
God, I hope he doesn't mind me sharing private conversations, but it is quite funny and it does show the problem we're in.
So I phoned Jeremy back up and he goes, how did it go with the reputational manager?
Because my argument back to the reputational manager was, does Richard Tice wonders around in a fucking suit?
Farage wonders around in a suit and everyone calls them racist transphobic bigots.
So why does it make any difference?
I just walk around in a slightly different way, and I just, I just sort of, I'm a bit more punchy.
And, erm, Jeremy turns around and he goes... Yes.
And also, if you needed to do a volt fast on the serious politician thing and the statesman thing because it got steadily worse, it would be entirely more difficult for you to do.
You'd lose credibility.
So, there we are.
Well, that's it.
No, I mean, I don't want to diss your temporary bedfellows.
I'm genuinely not making this up.
I can never remember the difference between the various R's.
Well, my one is called Declaim and Tyson's one is called Reform.
I'll tell you the thing I worry about, Yves.
I love sentences that start that way.
Thanks a lot.
I do.
No, but I do.
I am fond of you.
I don't know why.
I've got all your acid!
What I worry about about you is that I hear you are on my podcast and I'm gonna damage you in some way because Because you're playing a game that I don't, which is to say you've got one foot in normie world and one foot in whatever the world I inhabit is, and the two are just not compatible.
I am toxic to you in a way, and when I invite you to sort of Well, you can speak your mind, obviously.
But I worry that by inviting you to just free flow, I am inviting you to kind of damage your reputation in Normieland.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, but I think that's bollocks.
I think what you're talking about is straddling the fence of truth.
You can't straddle the fence of truth.
So either you sit on one side, which you sit on, which is the logical side, which is why I always say all roads lead to James Dellingpole, Yes, and of course the normie world is going to turn around and go, well he's evil, because you're pointing out very obvious and palpable truths.
And then you've got obviously Team Toby, which sits in the establishment world, but at no point am I occupying Team Establishment.
The person who backs me is as radical in his desire to change things in whatever way possible as anyone else.
You know, that's the way it works.
Put it another way.
Let me put it another way.
In a moment I'm going to test you on how far down the road towards Delingpole you actually are.
But before I do that, I just want to make a point which is the Daily Mail is never going to put its top investigations team on me and discover that I believe that Satan is basically in charge of worldly affairs, and he's real.
That 9-11 was not planned by a man in a cave, it was planned by George Bush Senior, among other things, and Dick Cheney.
That we haven't been to the moon, ever.
I don't know.
Child trafficking and jennichrome are the satanic elite's favourite pastime, etc.
Now, they're never going to put this stuff to my name because they don't care about me.
They don't want to draw attention to me.
But they could easily do a hit piece on you which said, And this is what Lawrence Fox believes.
And he's standing in a by-election.
And isn't it disgraceful?
You know what I mean?
Well, let him do it!
At the end of the day, I tell you, in response to all that sort of stuff, pretty much nothing for me is off the table.
Do you remember when we watched JFK, when it came out as a movie, and you were like, wow, JFK!
Who assassinated him?
It's really, really interesting.
Now it's just absolutely known he was killed by the CIA.
Just known.
He was killed.
So we're all waking up to lots of things and one of the major things we're waking up to is the fact that we've been lied to unrelentingly and unremittingly for the last, for the entire period of our lives until we woke up to whatever the hell is going on at the moment.
Hence why... And before we were born.
Well, long before we were born and possibly right back until this guy called Jesus was walking around and saying, do not be afraid, you know, and all of this sort of stuff.
So you're not actually damaging me, because as I've always said to you, all roads lead to Delingpole, and if you think about it, no one's going to go, you know what, in Uxbridge and South Ryslip, you know what I'm going to do?
I'm fed up with the Conservative Party, I'm going to vote for Lawrence Fox.
What they're going to do is they're going to go, in Uxbridge and South Ryslip, I'm fed up with the blue thing that says I'm going to lie to you for the next five years, and I'll just swap it for the guy with the red thing that says I'll lie to you for the next five years.
It's like it is what it is.
Because otherwise I'd be voted in as the MP because I've polled all the issues and everyone agrees with me, pretty much.
Yes, of course they do.
It's a bit like, I was thinking about this today, I was reading a tweet by Ben Goldsmith who, everything I've sort of heard from him, you know, in our exchanges and stuff, he seems to be a lovely bloke.
Yeah.
Just, like, if I was with him in the pub, we'd get on very well, as long as we didn't talk about anything whatsoever to do with the environment.
And so, there he is, tweeting out today, as is his wont, that climate change is the most important thing in the world, it's really, really important, and we must make it our number one objective.
And I'm thinking, You know what, Ben?
Almost nobody agrees with you.
It was actually kind of whining about this.
Weirdly, they do.
Sorry, I don't need to interrupt you.
Carry on.
You can disagree with me on this point.
I think that most people just don't.
They just think it's bollocks.
We've reached the point where people are super saturated with propaganda.
It's worse than that.
And they're not buying it.
It's worse than that.
It's much worse than that.
Again, we polled on this because I wanted to know because one of the things I say is there is no imminent climate catastrophe heading our way and we're not all going to be burnt to death by the sun monster or drowned depending on what mood he's in on this particular day.
Strangely, what the polling reveals is that 70% of people think that there is a climate catastrophe.
But 70% of people also don't want to do anything about it.
So that would tell me, as a sort of person who's thinking a little bit, that 70% of people want to go to dinner parties and go, God, yeah, the climate.
We've got to really get on top of that one.
And when they go home, they go, shall we stick on the barbecue?
And I want to buy a slightly faster Mercedes this year.
You know, it's like, let someone else deal with the climate, not And so I think it works into this thing that you were talking about earlier, which is that if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
So if you tell people there's a climate catastrophe, imminent climate catastrophe, not only is that an egregious abuse of our children, which is the bit that really gets me to the Nth degree, after a while you have to, in order to partake in polite society, you have to agree that there is.
Because if you don't agree that there is, you are Satan.
You're just evil.
Ah, well that's clearly my designated role, because I'm always the one, not that I ever go to dinner parties, but if I did so, I would be the one saying that climate change is bollocks.
That's what I say.
That's what I do when I'm hunting, which is my only social life really.
But I say the same thing.
I say, and also when you say it to people, the thing is, where we failed on COVID, well, we did well on COVID because we stopped them, we stopped, well, we slowed down phase one of that, of communism and all of that crap that's coming our way.
But where we failed was we got a load of graphs together and everyone kept tweeting graphs going, well, if you look here, the excess deaths in this country weren't as good as the excess deaths in this country.
And everyone should have just gone, ditch the graphs.
Look outside.
Are people falling over in the street dying?
Because if they are, then you've got something to worry about.
If they're not, it's propaganda.
And it's the same with the climate.
Don't ignore the evidence with your eyes and ears.
It's called summer.
It's warm outside today.
Yesterday it rained.
It doesn't mean it's not summer.
They have to bait and switch on the Covid thing onto the climate thing because the Covid disaster was so unbelievably enormous and we are going to be feeling the repercussions.
Does your clothes dry on you don't you?
I need to turn it off.
I'll turn it off.
Thank you for telling me great wise master.
Thank you.
I want that one too.
I hear you wise one.
Sorry.
Yeah.
That's better, isn't it?
I hadn't noticed your lovely dog.
I do like your dogs.
Mrs Thatcher?
Yeah, she's lovely.
She's about to have babies.
Yeah.
And then look, there's the other one.
Is she?
Yeah, well, she's not about to have babies.
I'm going to mate her with a mate of mine's dog.
And then this is Blazey.
You're a good one.
That's the... He's lovely as well.
No, I do like your dogs.
I mean, who doesn't like a dog, actually?
Well, they're much more reliable than people.
Yes, but they can be reliably bloody annoying.
I mean, you know... Well, our dog is guaranteed to pick up any...
Like, if you leave eggs in a box too close to the edge, she will pull the box down and eat the broken eggs.
That kind of stuff.
It's annoying.
And then I get... Do you know what happens?
Do you know what happens then?
I get told off.
Why did you leave the egg box on the edge of the... Why did you leave it so close to the edge?
And I say, well...
Can I reasonably expect you to think every moment that the dog's going to eat everything that I put anywhere, anywhere?
You don't have a dog problem then, you've got a naggy wife problem.
No, I think, listen, I think every husband around the country knows exactly where he fits in the family pecking order and it is below the dog and below the cat.
And below the washing machine.
Slightly below the washing machine as well.
Yeah, yeah, obviously.
The washing machine's broken, you matter less!
Yeah, I know, it's all good.
Yeah, I'm supposed to do that.
By the way, I wanted to ask you, I want to move on to a debate Dear to both our hearts which is controlled opposition gatekeepers good because I tell you why I mean apart from the obvious
Nothing, I've noticed, causes more dissent and upset on my Telegram channel than the question over who is and who isn't controlled opposition, whatever.
The latest controversy is over that film, I don't know whether you've seen it yet, the child trafficking film.
The one that won't get released in British cinemas at all, that one?
Oh, will it not?
No, yeah, apparently not.
What's it called?
The Sound of Freedom, which puts me off because it sounds like a sort of movie about Nelson Mandela, doesn't it?
It sounds a bit like Nelson Mandela.
Yeah, it does.
But anyway, before we come onto there, I just wanted to ask you briefly, Do you have any faith in the electoral system, given that it's not just about you deciding, pressing a button, today I'm going to be in inauthentic mode because my PR advisors tell me that's what works, and it's not about consulting the polls.
The whole system is so utterly rigged There's no such thing as that.
Democracy is an illusion.
And surely the sooner we just stop giving it, dignifying it with our votes or our attention, the sooner we can move on to the better world that's going to replace this one.
Well, yeah, I mean, I suppose so.
But that's where your rabbit hole continues.
And I go, I might just take a breather here.
Which is the fact that I think we've had some pretty horrendous times through the history of mankind, and we've had dreadful parliaments and dreadful kings and dreadful societies and dreadful bits and bobs.
But I would say that in the very most difficult times during human history, someone at some point, or there has been a movement, has just turned around and said, this needs to stop.
This has got to end.
So I do actually believe in democracy.
I certainly don't believe that it's going to be benefited by someone going, go up to this machine and press who you want to vote for or insert your thing into a machine.
I think that's just absolutely madness.
But the main problem with democracy is that people genuinely believe it's not an illusion.
So they think, I'm done with the Conservatives, with all of their fascist, conservative, free market ideas and their small statism, hatred of the NHS.
I'm going to try the Caring Party.
But they're not.
There's no difference between the two of them.
So democracy is an illusion on that level.
It's a complete illusion.
But then I got banned from appearing on GB News.
So they phoned me up and they went, you're not allowed to be on GB News because of electoral purdah.
And I went, why?
And they went, well, you might affect the outcome of the election.
I went, do you know how many people watch GB News?
With all due respect to GB News, it's not like 11 million people tuned into GB News tonight.
It's not the world's greatest, largest TV channel.
It's doing really well for what it is, but it's not world changing.
But then, at the same time... 11 million's good!
Yeah, I know, but... don't fuck off.
What I'm saying is, then the next week, so the Ofcom go, you can't go on TV, and then the next week, Elcom don't have a rule that says if you're going to have a Hustings, you've got to invite Lawrence to turn around and go, there is an imminent climate catastrophe.
So the Coms, which you just need to add the word Unist to, they're working together to stop any such new movement coming through.
And then I get someone's reputational manager going, stick on a suit and dress up your transphobia conspiracy theorism in a different way.
And then we have to deal with the fact that the BBC licence fee payers, why is it that all of these people in positions of power end up sending loads of money to children who they have sex with?
Why?
Just actually because a thought flitted across my brain there, which is a much more interesting question than any of the stuff we're talking about so far, which is when you were an actor, when you moved in the celebrity milieu, Yeah.
Were the kind of well-known nonce showbiz figures who you'd sort of chortle about or just gossip about, just people who were known to be absolute kind of pedo or whatever, is that a known thing?
Oh yeah.
Are they known, these people?
They're known, yeah.
They're known within the industry, yeah.
And is that one of the main sources of gossip and amusement, how revolting these people are?
Well also, not that they're known, but the genuine enemies of Britain know who those people are as well.
So the people that we would say were the genuine enemies of Britain Know exactly who these guys are.
And girls.
The BBC we're talking about?
I'm talking about people across the showbiz spectrum.
Usually they're much easier to spot because they hold a very much higher status within broadcasting than you'd expect them to have.
And they're given undue time.
And they've tended, I mean I've been here, I'm not going to say it on here because I don't want to get someone to, I don't want to get something bad to happen to me.
No.
But I've been places where the horrible things have happened and I've seen horrible things happen with people that are, you know, very well applauded and seen as great, wonderful national treasures in this country that have also witnessed.
That's really, can I ask you, what do you do in that?
So you mean you go to what you think of as a party or an after show party or whatever and you realise that this is one of those things where really bad stuff happens that you don't want to see or let alone get involved with?
Oh no, you know me.
Is that the deal?
I have many vices, as you well know, but I'm not a rape perv.
Thank God I was not blessed with that particular vice.
I mean, cursed with that particular vice.
But there are people in this world who have... Mainly, I spoke to their PR person.
One person in particular, I spoke to their PR person and I said, you should really Either get rid of that person as a client or prepare a decent defence for them because something's going to come down on their head pretty soon and sure enough it did.
Do you think that organisations like the BBC are attracted to people like that because they've got a kind of a sort of hold over them?
What other reason would there be that we are looking at, we're looking at, but it's not just the BBC, so let's not be rude.
And also we, as you know, you're a Christian.
Channel 4, I'm sure.
Yeah, well, no, all channels, all areas of public influence, every single area of public influence.
Why is it there's a disproportionately high number of people in positions of authority who end up being outed for being inappropriate sexually, either with girls or young children?
For me, it's like...
If I was sort of a Machiavellian world ruler, I'd go, oh look, he or she has got a little penchant for that.
Let's give them a position of authority, so therefore they're then malleable to whatever it is that the message that we want to pass through to the populace is, and should they deviate from that plan in any way whatsoever, we dangle the CCTV footage, or the bank account transfers, or whatever it is, you know?
That would make sense to me if I wanted to control society.
Yeah.
I sort of interrupted my own question though, which I didn't give you the chance to answer it, which is how do these parties manifest themselves?
Do they sort of spring up?
Because I mean I've been in situations where, you know, you've had a few drinks and where should we go next?
Is that how it happens or do you get formal invites or what?
Yeah I mean I didn't even want to go into the beginnings of any of that stuff because I would genuinely be concerned for myself and I mean that in an honest and normal honest way I wouldn't want to but I can I can guarantee to you I've been to them.
I totally look I totally respect that I you know what I wouldn't want to put your life in any danger, and I suspect that this is the area which really does get you bumped off, for example.
Who knows?
But at the same time, if you wanted to control an entire culture and redefine it and make sure that that culture had a singular narrative which was dictated from above, not below, How would you do that?
How would you get every single person from every single institution to count out to it?
You'd need to have something on them, wouldn't you?
You'd need to have at least something on them.
You go, well, you know, let's imagine that there's a really famous celebrity called, like the biggest Radio 4 mind in the world, called Tarquin Theobald Pomfrey, right?
And whenever they go to anyone, For the big documentary that they're going to do with Tarquin Theobald Pomfrey.
Tarquin Theobald is going to say what Tarquin Theobald is going to say.
Now, what about if Tarquin Theobald doesn't think that?
If there's a video of Tarquin Theobald slowly sidling his way past a, you know, let's say a butcher's block in a kitchen in somebody's house somewhere where someone is being sexually assaulted, then, you know, Tocque and Theobald maybe will change their story.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do you know what I mean?
Sure, I see that.
I've often wondered how many of the people who get the sort of the compromise situation, how many of them are willing accomplices, and how many of them are just kind of that it's a gradual process, where they're drawn into it, and they get in so deep, you know.
Desperate for it, they are.
So steeped in blood or whatever?
You're desperate for it, you're desperate for the attention, to feel important, to feel like you matter, that in some way, you know, people are desperate for it.
They're desperate for it.
And it also reminds me, that's why the good people get so persecuted all the time.
Those with fewer, possibly, not, we all look, we're all sinful, beyond sinful, so, you know.
But why is it that people I respect and admire are persecuted relentlessly and people I loathe and despise are national treasures?
I find that... and it's not jealousy, I'm not jealous that...
Tarquin Theobald, whatever the final name I invented for him, is a national treasure.
But it is strange that these people have very, very, very successful careers before the whole thing comes crumbling down in a second because of a vice that could have been spotted decades before.
That's not a conspiracy theory.
These things happen every day.
They just happen every day.
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I haven't stayed there yet.
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But this guy, the guy who owns these places, Went up to Scotland with his family to prepare for the kind of the horrors that are coming and give his give his family a kind of nice rural life eating homegrown vegetables.
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Let me know how you get on if you go there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, the... Obviously, I disagree with you totally about democracy.
I mean, not least because if you'd ask the ancient Greeks about democracy, they'd say, well, you don't want to go there.
Democracy is really not the ideal at all.
What would they have said?
Well, They probably have said, they've chosen something which is ruled by some enlightened elite, probably like aristocracy.
Doesn't aristos, I think aristos means the best, not the poshest.
But I don't know, I don't know enough about my ancient All I know is that democracy was not one of their top options.
They recognised the flaws within it.
It's beyond the voting machines.
The two-party system is clearly deeply corrupt with nonces and perverts and liars and scumbags.
in every single party and they're all they're all they're not none of them is worth is is worth voting for which is why i was just curious as to why you're standing in the in the bar election other than to kind of get your views out or whatever because i'm interested why are you doing it because i'm interested to see whether a it's a question it's a process of elimination isn't it in terms of all of this stuff you have to work out
Is the idea that you can stick your ex on a ballot paper when everyone goes, I'm so fed up, I'm so fed up of the fact that I'm not represented by any political force in this country that turns around and, you know, says, if there was ever a lockdown again, if there was ever a pandemic again, we would totally leave it up to you to do whatever you wanted to do.
We trust the people, the people have the sovereignty, their own personal individual sovereignty and that's what we respect.
I'm interested to see if there's anyone who would vote for those simple ideas of complete, of individual liberty.
Or whether it is literally, Board of Blue, vote for Red.
So I'm interested on that level.
And B, I do think that when our moment comes, which it will, because let's face it, we all know which way we're heading.
When our moment comes, whether that will have a political arm to it or not.
Now look, if what I suspect happens in Uxbridge and Ryslip happens, then I have to go, what am I going to do instead with the backing and support that I have?
If both financial and you know people wise and it may turn out that that needs to be challenged possibly legally You may need to use the law But at the moment, I'm like a little political jihadist and I'm going out to people and I'm saying Free speech is primary is the primacy of free speech is everything and There is no immediate climate crisis.
Stop telling children that they can become girls or boys.
Stop spending every single ounce of the media spreading fear to people all the time.
Because, as you well know from having read the Bible, it says don't be afraid all the time.
So I'm interested to know whether there is a demos for that.
Whether there is a constituency for that.
And if there is, and suddenly for some mad reason, Red beats blue or blue beats red or whatever happens and I get sort of more than I don't know 300 votes or whatever it is that these little parties get then you go oh okay well that's something you can build on but you know it's not I don't have a plan like I don't want to be a political party in the way that someone like reform wants to be a political party I've got no interest in that
But if you say, you know, Batley is a good example, if you wanted to stand someone over an issue of free speech, and you put that to the people, and the people actually voted, and the Conservatives, ultimately you want tension.
Politics requires tension, doesn't it?
The good politics requires tension.
You want someone to think one thing, and someone to think something else, just to be a bit tense.
Like you, it's why London Calling is a good podcast.
Because you, after a while, Toby keeps trying to convince you of one thing, and you keep trying to turn around and say it's rubbish.
So there's tension, and that's why it's engaging.
Do you think he's just trying to convince me?
I think he's now adopted the position of, I love Toby as you know, and I love you, but I think Toby's adopted the position of like, you're lost in the wilderness and he's going to keep trying to beckon you back as Christ would.
I wonder actually, Loza, whether part of your problem, sorry to psychoanalyse you, or whatever, is that you still want to be liked by the people who aren't worth being liked by.
Now, I didn't mean Toby in that, although I do think that Toby is...
Toby is, at best, a gatekeeper.
He could well be control or position.
I sometimes wonder about the role of his sidekick.
Some of the things he says on London Recording are so weird.
It's like someone's feeding information.
Can I quickly interrupt you?
If I wanted to still be liked by those people, James, wouldn't it seem likely that I would be currently sat on the roof bar of a very expensive hotel in the Maldives on a four-day break between filming?
Having a large amount to drink while shagging... Yeah, but you'd still speak to Julia Hartley Brewer.
What?
Wouldn't you?
If you saw Julia, you'd find it easier... Put it this way.
You'd find it easier to talk to her than I would.
Possibly, but you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, well you're, actually you, you're not quite as bad as some of the puritanical right-wing wokies that I find really irritating.
Like your friend Mao H or whatever she was, the one who's like, I've been all over the Reclaim Party and you can't join it.
And I'm like.
Oh, we can talk about that.
Yeah, no, no, no.
We'll come to that one.
Google the Reclaim Party.
Go into Companies House and see if we've got a bank account.
And then see, how do you have a membership structure without a bank account?
Instead of writing a 3,000 word essay on how I'm in controlled opposition, why don't you just instead do your research?
That's, like, of course I'll give you value.
Well, to be fair, look, I mean, look, I know you're upset about that.
I'm not upset.
But it wasn't just about you.
It's bad journalism.
I'm annoyed by the lack of research.
So, to her point, you're talking about Mary AF.
That's right.
She had a go at you.
She cited as evidence that you are suspect because your party, you can't even join it.
That was her point.
You can become a registered... And your response is?
You can become a registered supporter of our party, of which there are tens and tens and tens of thousands and growing.
Fastest growing political party in the UK.
But you can't become a member... How many have you got?
It's about 60-something now.
And then we've got different pots for different things.
Anyway, we've got the legal pots.
We've got various stuff.
It's not a nothing.
But the thing is, us who are like, don't cancel the banks.
You had this conversation on London Calling with Toby.
You're like, surely anyone should be able to have a bank account.
I mean, anyone.
And you went as far as to say, even vested foreign interests should be able to have a bank account.
They're British citizens.
Why would you deny it?
We have been denied a bank account by the banks.
We were allowed a bank account for two years but no one was allowed to donate to it and it helped us with our sort of finance structure and then it was closed.
We got given a 30-day or 60-day warning it was closed.
No bank account.
I can't have members.
I can't have people go, oh please donate £2 a month to the Reclaim Party.
And Miriam IH, or whatever her name is, she could have just checked that, and that would have been a fact.
And she also could have checked how many registered supporters we had.
But instead, right-wing Wokies, puritanical right-wing Wokies like that, who are so far down every single rabbit hole it just bores me half to tears because we're all on the same team, could just go, I'm going to be fair in my reporting.
Because I don't... Do you generally think I'd rather be doing this than I would be sat on the roof of a hotel in Belize on a hundred grand... Well, actually, do you know what?
Do you know what?
In a way, I do.
Because... No, no, no.
I'm defending your position here.
I'm saying I think you know that you are much better off chatting to me now Then you would be on a roof in a roof bar in Belize with say if I'm thinking of the kind of people that in your alternative universe you'd be having cocktails with I'm thinking definitely you're better off in your in your home doing this podcast.
They spoke like you and I spoke.
We had the same chat.
It was the same thing.
They just don't say it in public.
You're much more fun.
Right.
Well, I suppose, look, just the point about, say, Julia HB.
I've never quite... I mean, this was when I wasn't even very far down the rabbit hole, like two years ago.
You were at the rally, which I think is about your authenticity.
You were at these various London marches with your dad and your lovely brother and your posse.
And you were there.
You were keeping it real.
And I remember sort of bumping into Julia in Hide Park, as we were gathering.
And I was working for Breitbart at the time, and I was trying to do a bit of Vox Pop, and she wouldn't do it.
I was already toxic in her eyes, or in her employer's eyes.
And since then, I've looked at her stuff, and I've realised that she is, technically, almost the definition of gatekeeper, or controlled opposition.
I think she's definitely gatekeeper anyway.
She's very dependent.
I find it very, very difficult to take seriously anymore all those of my sort of previous lovey friends, and I don't include you in this, but people who've made this pact with the devil, because this devil I'm talking about isn't a kind of metaphorical character.
It is the devil.
Agree.
And I don't see how you can break bread with these people.
I just, I wouldn't want to be in a room with them.
But Jesus spent a lot of time in the desert with the devil, didn't he?
40 days.
Yeah, the devil was tempting him.
Jesus was very clear that the devil was not his friend.
Yeah, but Jesus didn't turn around and go, sorry mate, you're not allowed to speak to me.
You're not allowed to be in my podcast.
The devil was speaking to him and he was listening.
No, what he said was that, look, I'm going to heal the Centurion's daughter, I'm going to hang out with publicans and tax collectors and stuff.
Which is not dissing my audience, but, you know, Even before I became this thing that I am now, I became very conscious in the run-up to it of the kind of people who would accost me on the platform at various London stations or accost me in the streets, and they were not Your kind of establishment figures.
They weren't exactly publicans and whores and stuff.
But they definitely were slightly marginalised people.
And I think that's my constituency.
And I love them.
And I don't want to be with the in crowd.
Because almost by definition the in crowd are the wrong crowd.
That's what it is.
But you need a broad crowd.
So you need on one... As you quite rightly point out at the beginning of your statement.
This is a spiritual war.
It's not a sort of jokey political back and forth thing anymore.
Nothing that's, you know, obviously it's been brought into sharp focus in the last three years.
But, you know, we've all kind of gone in the last three years, but this is a 100% spiritual war.
But that doesn't mean that you can't have within that spiritual war.
You can't have the Tobys who believe that, you know, we lobby the government over this issue and that that's not an important thing to do.
Or the Julia Hartley Brewers who go, you know, I, as much as I will, on the one hand, I will, you know, with the knowledge available to her, she felt that it was the right thing to do to say that, you know, maybe you should take the vaccine.
We shouldn't succumb to the woke stuff of being puritanical about it.
You're crediting You're giving a credit where no credit is... And I'm not giving anyone credit.
I'm turning around and saying if you genuinely believe in the sovereignty of the individual, then you have to believe in the sovereignty of other individuals as well.
So if someone thinks that it's a really good idea... I don't know what you mean about... It sounds like a phrase to me, sovereignty of the individual.
What I mean by sovereignty of the individual is I'm not taking a fucking medicine.
Unless I want to.
You're not going to force me to do it.
You're not going to bully me into doing it.
You're not going to coerce me into doing it.
I don't want your stupid injection.
If you turned around to me at the beginning of that, of the Scandemic and said, you know what?
This is terrible pandemic going around the world.
We've got an experimental drug, which we don't know if it works at all.
But we're willing to give it a go because it might save a few old people.
I think a lot of people might have got more on board with it, actually, and wouldn't have been so angry now.
Now, there's going to be a large constituency of people that will still hold that view, but who hold the core beliefs that we hold, which is we're in a war between good and evil.
We're not in a war between... We're in a war of theologies, actually.
I don't think Julia Hartley Brewer thinks that.
I don't even think Toby thinks that.
Have you asked her?
This is the problem.
Yeah, but have you asked her?
Oh what?
Julia, do you think we're in a spiritual war and that half the points you make on your radio show are basically serving Satan?
No, I don't think she's going to go, yeah, actually James, you make a really good point there.
Maybe I should give up my 500,000 quid a year broadcasting career and my infinity pool holidays which I broadcast on Twitter every other week.
She's really going to say that?
Yeah, but have you ever... Here's a question for you.
Have you ever privately messaged her and said, would you come on the Dunning Pod?
No, I wouldn't be interested in having her on the Dunning Pod.
That's the thing.
Why not?
That's when I'm Team Technology.
I've become a bit team Toby now.
Come on, why not?
We'll come back to that point.
I'm not trying to escape it.
I just want to deal with this territory which I think is quite interesting for a lot of people watching this.
And they're going to kill me if I don't ask you about this stuff.
I had Mary AF that you don't like.
You think she doesn't do her research on the show the other day.
And I really like her writing.
I think she's pretty much the 40-something female version of me.
She's hardcore.
But she makes me look like a wimp in as much as... Her phrase is...
If you know their name, they're in the game.
So basically anyone who, even if you think they're onside, like say RFK Jr or Russell Brand or who's the other of this one, Russell Brand and, help me here, who's the other one that everyone thinks is one of us but isn't?
Yeah, Andrew Tate is a good example.
You know, and I love... You've actually picked one of my weak spots there because I love... I love Andrew Tate.
I mean, I just think he's... He gave me one of the dreamiest podcasts.
He shoots from the hip.
He's intelligent.
He's sassy and stuff.
But I know that there's something wrong there.
I mean, I do, but yeah.
But that's it.
This is exactly the problem.
So...
There are these people out there who say things that people like me love.
And of course this is by design.
It's like when Robert RFK Jr.
talks about About Fauci.
I'm going, yeah, go croaky voice, go man, you know.
And when Andrew Tate talks about the proper role of men and women, I go, yeah, you stick it to the feminazis.
And here's the other one, yeah, and when Russell Brand asks searching questions about who really runs the world, I think, yeah, go for it.
But I know that in each... Oh yeah, the other one of course is Jordan Peterson, who is a complete, complete trap.
That what I'm saying is that there are these designated characters, you know, if they need heroes we shall provide them, you know, the Albert Pike thing, that there are these people out there who are designed to lure us into these pens, to corral us and And and and defang us to take away our fight you to steer us down wrong alleys and And we and so many of us are deceived.
You know your Bible We are enjoined to be wise as serpents and so many of our people even even the Christians among us who ought to know this stuff are not wise and serpent as serpents because as soon as something comes along which I Which pushes our buttons we go yeah, but this guy's alright because because he's saying stuff that that appeals to my You know, whatever my discernment.
Yeah, right So it's not like it's not like there was a respectable position What I'm saying is I can understand where Miri is coming from even though I don't agree with her because I still love you I still I trust Andrew Bridgen, but I It's not... I don't think that people who think as Miri does are exactly completely off-beam.
Because there are people out there to trap us.
Can I give you a showbiz analogy?
Sorry?
Can I give you a showbiz analogy?
So when I worked on Lewis for the 10 years that I worked on Lewis I probably worked with let's say what a series was six episodes so six casts of 50 I probably worked with about 200 young actors over the period of the entire 10-year show, right?
And their attitude was, this is all beneath me.
I'm going to become something bigger.
Right?
And for a percentage of them, a proportion of them did.
And some of them became huge stars.
But that's not to say that they didn't have integrity or anything like that.
It was just that they were driven in a slightly different way from maybe the way that some other people are driven.
So what I'm trying to say is, if you know someone's name, that could be incidental to their views.
I don't think the cabal are sitting there having covered a virgin in goat's blood and going, you know what, let's give Loza a bit of time in the sun, or Andrew Bridgen, or, you know, because that's what I think is where we are in danger of doing what the other side do, which is go with so puritanical We can't even engage with the other side, which is why my initial question to you, which is like, why don't you send an email to Julia and go, Julia.
Come on the Delling Pod and let me ask you a few hard questions.
And these are the questions I'd like to ask you and I'd be really interested to know.
And if she turns around and goes, no James, I'm not going to do it because I'm too worried about the effect that would have on my reputation and my holidays in Mauritius, then you know that she's obviously then representing a constituency that is dependent on other things.
But you started off this whole conversation by turning around to me and saying, you're doing me so much damage by speaking to you.
Fuck that, sorry.
With all due respect, as I've always said, all roads lead to Darlingpole, which is you're hunting the truth.
Now the truth leads down some pretty nasty roads, but I do think you make a mistake to think that someone like, if you know, I think, I think what, what that is, is what Miri, I didn't listen to the podcast because I was annoyed with her research stuff, but I think that's probably one of the laziest bits of half philosophy that I could, it's, it's a soundbite philosophy of, of the right wing woke, is what it sounds like to me.
Um, so, I'm interested in, as I often say, the only thing I'm really interested in is discovering truth.
And it would be a complete waste of my time to engage with anyone who I knew beforehand was not interested in engaging with the truth.
It's why people say, oh, people used to say, why don't you have Michael Gove on?
You know, he's an old mate.
And it's like, I'm not interested in somebody who can elegantly rebuff my questions, cunningly and charmingly slip away.
It would be like trying to nail jelly to a wall.
Julia's techniques would be different, but they would, but she'd be essentially doing the same thing.
She would be, she'd be avoiding, look, nobody, simply nobody Working at LBC, for example.
Is that where she works?
She's at Talk Radio, isn't she?
It's not like I go, oh Murdoch.
I mean, obviously everything Murdoch touches is part of the business.
He hates God.
He hates God, that man.
Well, of course he does.
They all do.
They all do.
That to have that job, by definition you are part of the debate system.
You have made your pact with the devil.
You're not going to turn around on a kind of minor league podcast like mine.
And it's very niche.
I mean, it's very good, but it's very niche.
You're not going to turn around and suddenly go, oh, hang on a second.
Yeah, you're right.
When I talk about Ukraine, I'm doing so from a position of complete ignorance and all I'm doing is pushing a narrative which has been fed to me by By forces that I really don't want to talk about here.
But I mean, anyone seriously pushing the official narrative on Ukraine is essentially pushing MI6's narrative, the Deep State's narrative, the narrative of some really, really bad people.
You're overthinking it!
No I'm not!
80% of people, we've learnt this, surely you've realised this, 80% of people are massive cowards.
We know that.
The pandemic taught us that.
80% of people won't be told exactly what to do and whatever it is.
And that, for me, as a human being, is one of the most depressing things I've learnt in my entire life, is that 80% of people are cowardly.
But the great thing I have taken from this Is that 20% of people aren't.
And those 20% of people may, on the fringes of them, on the acceptable James Dellingpole fringes of them, which includes Toby, who you're like, can we go to Culture Corner now?
Can we please go to Culture Corner now?
I don't want to talk about the issues of the day.
Those people are part of what is the broad... Sorry, who are you parodying here?
Toby or me?
You!
This morning you were just like, because I can tell now when you're talking on the show, it makes me laugh so much.
Toby's obviously done all the work, because you literally cannot be asked to do anything except seek truth, as you said.
So Toby's done the work and he's gone, so I'd like to speak about this story this week, and this story, and do you mind talking about this story?
And you've gone, oh God, can we not just go to Culture Corner?
Yeah, but hang on a second.
This is what I worry about.
This is what I think you do.
It's weird that you know who's running the show, by God's permission.
You know all the stuff.
You know all the rabbit hole stuff.
And yet at the same time you maintain that it's worth my while engaging with conversation about something which you know is a figment of the cabal's imagination.
I'm talking about news.
That it's beneath me to even talk about the news because it's just made up shit.
I'm not talking about news, I'm talking about views.
So I was speaking to Peter Boghossian the other day who is a really interesting man.
And he said to me, the best thing you can ever do in life is ask questions.
And my mother was the same.
She was the same.
She just asked questions all the time of people and people reveal themselves.
So what I'm saying is, if you put yourself in your little castle and you go, the rules are that if I've heard your name, then you're already working for the other side, your controlled opposition.
If you think Julia Harley Brewer has got anything useful to say, you're a controlled opposition.
Whereas actually what you should do is you should go, I, James Delingpole, want the answers to these questions, and actually what will happen is, your position will be reinforced if somebody turns around to you and goes, I'm not engaging with you, mate.
No way.
You're telling me my job?
Well no, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, because all roads lead to Delingpole, right?
What?
I think I already do too many podcasts.
I can't cut this one short!
No, I'm just thinking, I can really imagine, it's unfair to pick on Julie, I don't know why, because there are lots of other people we could talk about.
Dan Hannon would be an equally good name to use as an example.
Anyone who shifts narratives, anyone.
No one is going to be, none of my audience, and rightly so, would be going, oh great, great, James has got Dan on this week.
I wonder what points he's going to make in defence of the Conservative Party this week.
There is no point talking to people who are creatures of the beast system.
They've made a choice.
They've made a choice to bat for their particular team.
So in Dan's case, He's been ennobled, he's been given a place in the Lords, so he gets to sit in their Bernie Inn style canteen.
He gets to call himself Lord and to be gracious by not calling himself Lord when he wants to show how down with the people he is.
All the perks.
Probably Lady Hound and his Hound, I don't know.
His children get called, do they get called the Olm?
I don't know.
But anyway, he gets all the perks.
In return for this pact with the Devil, he has to say at every turn, you know, people complain about how unconservative the Conservative Party are, but I say they're doing a jolly good job and they are real conservatives.
And you think, Oh my, how can you do this stuff?
Well, you know the answer to that question.
In the same way, Julia's got the infinity pools.
Julia's got this job.
There are lines she can't cross.
She was never allowed to talk, to speak ill of the death jabs.
And she should have been.
She should have been able to, but she shouldn't have done so.
You're upset, but you should also, in your confidence of the fact that the death jabs are the death jabs, And my view, which is slightly different from yours, a bit more, you know, I think you and Bridgen are probably much more down one row than I am, and also most of the science is now behind this, but my view has always been, it's just don't chuck shit in your body that you don't need.
Just don't chuck shit in your body you don't need, unless you want to.
That was my view.
But I would say that in order to create more strength and fellowship with your position, you should at least ask, Julia.
And then interrogate that stuff!
No, because... It's even worse than that, Lozza.
It's even worse than that.
You're basically asking me to break bread with...
Not just the enemy, but people who always will be the enemy.
And there's a reason for that.
Does that make you woke though?
Maybe the thing we've learned above all from the last three years is the degree to which our opinions are led and informed and prodded, cattle prodded, by a media and an entertainment industry and so on, which is not our friend, which is actually just a kind of gigantic brainwashing device.
And that people who are part of that media are very much part of the problem.
They are the ones that you mentioned earlier, all those people on the streets who think that climate change is real, that it's a problem.
Why do they think that?
It's because they've been told these lies relentlessly by the media.
And okay, so Julia's designated area of rightness is that she's allowed to call out climate change.
So what?
Once you know the truth about the world, and it's not actually difficult once you start asking questions, as all journalists should do, then it becomes morally, intellectually untenable to be putting a blue and yellow flag on your house.
It becomes morally untenable to be saying anything positive about death jabs.
It becomes morally untenable to say anything positive about all the agendas.
You can't pick and mix and go, Here are some points where I kind of agree with you, but I disagree with you on Ukraine, as Toby does.
It's just... No, I'm looking to increase your constituency.
I'm sorry, but... All I'm saying is... I don't want to.
Yeah, but I do.
Because it's my constituency.
I want to be niche.
Okay, so that makes you... That's the right-wing version of being woke.
It's like going, I'm above all of this.
No, it's not.
It's like you're not above it.
And also, where are your own blind spots, dude?
Where are your own blind spots?
Well, I mean, look, I've probably got loads.
I may be wrong.
Tony's blind spot on you.
It's possible.
He turns around and he says you've become a moral puritan.
And he turns around to you and goes, you're a moral puritan.
And he has this sort of Tone in his voice, because he worked as a self-confessed workaholic, he goes, you know, I just work all day and then I, you know, speak to you and I see what you're becoming, but I'm very sympathetic and I understand and you're really searching for truth, but all of us grown-ups know that you're a bit of a loon.
It's like, all I'm saying is increase your constituency, turn around and challenge these people and say to, so if that happens, you know, why not?
I think you're, I mean, if your audience are worth listening to, other than if they're just a bunch of you and me's, then what are we?
Well, it's, it's an odd league.
It's an oddly blunt criticism to accuse me of moral puritanism.
I mean, I'm a Christian for goodness sake.
That's the deal.
Well no, the deal is the opposite.
You're a born again Christian.
The deal is the opposite.
The deal is the opposite.
And it's not like, I mean, not that I'm suggesting I'm the new Jesus or anything, but I do kind of see him as a role model.
And I don't notice anything in the scriptures which says that Jesus was trying to suck up to the I'm too busy building the wall.
columnist of the Galilee bugle or the Nazareth times in order to shift the dial on the argument.
He didn't waste his time.
He just sort of got among the people.
And that's what I want to do.
If people want to find me, I'm too busy building the wall.
I'm too busy building the wall.
I get it.
I understand it.
But at the same time, I'm just saying it's very easy for me to sit there and go, well, no one's going to vote for me because, you know, they'll vote red or blue and it's ridiculous.
But part of me wants to believe, and part of me wants to give people an opportunity to go, you know what?
You could actually, by some miracle, if you really did care and there were enough of us who believe what we believe, you could go, yeah, we'll send Lozo to Parliament, see what he says there.
You know, why not?
What's wrong with that?
As an idea.
You know, what's wrong with it as an idea?
Well, look, I mean, I'd love, it would add definitely to the Gaiety of Nations if you, by some miracle.
I mean, look, God does work in mysterious ways.
I mean, you look at some of the victories he won for the children of Israel with his power.
So it's well within his abilities to get you into Parliament.
I'm not sure it's going to happen.
And I'm not sure even if it did it would be Be worth it.
So what would you have?
You'd have two people in the chamber instead of one.
So, hang on a second, are we sure that these people dropping dead like flies mightn't have something to do with the vaccine rather than the lockdown?
Bridgen's asked for an emergency question on that every single week.
He's been part of the Reclaim Party, he's asked for an emergency question on the excess deaths.
He's asked for it every week and every week it's turned down.
So at least someone is in Parliament actually asking for it.
You know, better there than us on the outside going, this is ridiculous, there are two and a half thousand people extra a week dying and, you know, the minute someone dies who says, I've had the jabs and I've got problems with my heart, they then die and we all go, no, never happened, sorry, we're moving along.
At least we've got bridging in there.
Well look, we've already...
We've already established that I am Team Lozer and I am Team Andrew.
I often enjoy my... Although, I've noticed, you know, he's stopped smoking as well.
Yeah, but do you know why he's stopped smoking?
Because he... Yes.
You know why he's stopped smoking?
Because he got double Pfizer.
Yeah, well tell us.
I know why.
I think I know.
Yeah he got double Pfizer because he was the MP and he believed the bollocks and he woke up so quickly because he started getting letters of people saying I've had a really bad reaction something's not worked and he started doing his research because he's got a biology degree and one of the things that has been said to him by medical professionals is something like smoking the effects of smoking are going to be massively exasperated so he's suddenly got much more problems with his lungs and
Much more problems with hay fever, much more problems with inflammatory response.
You know, you've done millions of podcasts and all this sort of stuff.
I don't need to go into it.
But essentially those jabs are very bad and he's given up smoking smoking for this smoking.
No, I thought you'd done it for even more worrying reasons because he's had loads and loads of threats.
poor chap um nasty threats yeah but join the club i was i mean i'm i'm sorry to have a not much empathy for people who have threats I've CCTV outside my door, whenever I go anywhere.
I was out in campaigning yesterday, police all over me.
I can't go into an airport without police being all over me.
I went to the Trans Pride thing, the police are attacking me instead of some hairy armpited man with boobs.
Screaming and shouting in my face.
You know, I know whose side everybody is on.
You know what I mean?
But the threat... Oh!
Do you get physically hassled at things?
Yeah, I go there to ask questions.
So I'm not... I don't go there with an agenda.
I go and I ask questions, so... Yeah, yeah, sure.
No, I'm just curious.
Well, you're...
You're bigger than me.
I mean, can you... do you... are you... could you handle yourself?
I've got a fucking great... Can you?
...back of my neck.
If someone punched me in the face, I'd be paralysed.
You know, I'm not in a position to fight anybody.
Not that I would want to... Don't give them ideas, Loz.
Don't tell them your weaknesses.
That's... that's...
I want to go riding with you.
I'm worried that they've implanted like an extra, even though I was already extremely intelligent, I'm worried that they might have planted an even smarter chip in the back of my gender affirming neck vagina.
Well, they might have done.
The only way to distract you is to become more surreal than you are.
The only way to distract you is to become more surreal than you are.
Well, the thing is that you...
The problem is you move my train of thought onto this bloody keto stuff that I'm doing, which is really annoying.
I've been listening about your keto thing.
So my mother, God rest her soul, she said from when we were children, she went, the sugar thing is a lie.
She went, it's a lie.
You need to, it's not sugar that is, sorry, it's not, the fat thing is a lie.
It's not fat which is harmful for you, it's sugar which is harmful to you.
You must eat this, and she said it from day one.
And in the same way as my dad stopped us when we were tiny young children, And he broke the car really fast and he was obviously listening to something on the radio that was being spouted by the bullshit, bullshit corporation.
And he turned around and he pointed it at all of the kids and he went, this is post-modernism.
That's what you're dealing with.
It's post-modernism.
It's the enemy.
It's anti-God.
It's anti-everything.
It's the devil.
And we were all like, you were five.
Calm down.
In the same way, my mum was right about the fact that you should be a keto diet person.
Yes.
Well, your mum, God rest her soul, I'm sure she's in heaven now.
She sounds great.
She's right, but it doesn't mean that keto isn't a massive pain.
It's really hard to stay in ketosis, I find.
You look good, though.
Well, thank you.
- Well, I feel, thank you, I feel alright, but I haven't gone into, I keep peeing on a stick, and I haven't gone into, it's never the dark purple that you want it to be.
Shove it up your nose and send it off to a lab.
All I'm doing, I'm gorging on clotted cream, which is a treat the first few days, but when it becomes all you can eat.
You can't do eat a mess because that's got the meringue in it.
Can you do fruit?
No!
And I don't like, I've never, I've never been a massive fan of sugar.
I mean, I do like a cake now and again, but it's the cream element I've always liked in a cake.
You like cookie?
No, the thing I miss is just the sort of the crunch of toast and the crunch of chips and the, you know, you need a bit of, and pasta.
It's nice having pasta now and again.
Surely some vegan, some vegan evil bastard has invented some toast you can eat.
Oh yeah, but you know what, I don't believe in these substitutes.
If you're going to go keto, you go keto.
I mean, I would go full carnivore, but it's just too boring.
So what is the search for?
Is it relating to the virus disease?
Is it going, right, I've got a thing which I haven't seen, so what's it in you that's made you go?
Because you're always searching for something.
You're always searching for something.
So I try lots of, I try loads of things.
So one of the things I do is Bottega, which is really good.
But when I get my acute bouts of Lyme, which sort of comes back like malaria, I find that Bateko, even when I've got my pauses pretty good, is not quite enough.
And yeah, I could if I sort of pushed it obsessively, maybe it would work a bit better.
But it makes me think, oh, I must do these other things.
So I'm thinking, the reason, you know, I read so much stuff in so many different sources,
I mean, I'm doing a thing with Clive DeKalb, a live event quite soon, and one of the things I'm going to ask him is this, look Clive, there are all these alternative things, and I don't know which way to turn, and I don't trust the establishment system, but at the same time, do lots of things work, or do you have to try them all, or how does it, what's the deal?
Anyway.
I'm doing keto because, as I understand it, what you do is you get rid of all the toxins that are stored in this bad fat.
And if you go into ketosis, you replace the bad fat with the good fat.
And I'm quite interested in the purgative process whereby all the toxins get expunged.
And maybe this will help me for a while.
Is there an element of mortality to that?
Or is it genuine curiosity about how what you ingest will affect your ability to, I don't know, conceive, think?
Not obviously conceive because, well, maybe conceive now that you could be a woman.
Oh, I just want to be able to do To do what I'm doing and be sort of more or less on on on good form I don't really I don't really care when when you know if God's decided my numbers up at any particular occasion that It's not like I've got any fear of death Is that one of the Christian was that one of the best things happened to you you stop fear?
Yes, totally.
Yeah, that was for me.
Yes.
I Like, just, I don't care.
Well, it's got to be, hasn't it?
I don't fear anything whatsoever at all.
It's amazing.
I don't fear a single thing.
Yes.
Not even... I try and think sometimes.
I fantasise in my stupid little actor's brain, because, you know, actors have stupid little brains that are focused on small things.
I try and fantasise about the thing that could possibly terrify me, and the only thing that could terrify me is someone harming my children.
That's the only thing that would really, truly terrify me.
But someone sort of coming up to me with a big knife and going, what I'm going to do is I'm going to slip this into your stomach.
And I'm just like, well, go for it, son.
You're saving me a whole load of aggro!
Well yeah, I don't think I mean like I look I think about the the Christians in the arena with the lions and I'm thinking it can't have been much fun I mean I you can see why they would have shat themselves and at the same time this is what I don't get about some Christians that if you're a Christian and
You surely, it's entry-level stuff to understand that the afterlife is going to be better than this one, and that this is just a kind of, you know, temporary state which we're blessed with and we should enjoy while we've got it, but when it's gone it's not the end.
And if you don't get that, I think you're kind of... Christianity is one of the few Great things where you can read the York Notes and it's just as good as the full text.
Do you know what I mean?
Great as the full text is, the York Notes are just as good.
Like if you just read the York Notes, you'd be fine.
It's one of my favourite things about it.
It's like you don't need, you know, But it seems to me that there are certain basics which amazingly large numbers of Christians seem to be not quite on board with.
One of them, one of the key ones, is the fact that the supernatural is real.
It's not some kind of, it's not some metaphorical thing conjured up to make you behave better.
It is kind of the deal that there is God and he did send his only son and that it wasn't a made-up character who may not have existed and that there aren't any rooms for doubt about whether or not Christ rose on the third day and stuff.
When I hear, for example, the Archbishop of York Saying that he has that it's problematic talking about our father I'm thinking what?
the whole point about The Christian religion is that it is our father.
It's not our mother and that and that the female the love of the female you see expressed the veneration of the of the female goddesses that you've seen in guy worship and and to a degree I suppose in the In the Catholic veneration of the Virgin, which I'm not necessarily arguing with too much, but nevertheless, it is a patriarchal religion.
It's not negotiable.
It's not like, well, they caught him our father then, but maybe now in these modern times.
No, that's Luciferian.
That's satanic.
It's an error.
It's wrong.
It's not true.
It's not Christianity.
It's something else.
It's an error made.
It's an error made.
And the other thing Peter Boghossian said to me, Which I really thought was one of the best things that someone said to me, which no one said to me in a long time.
Always assume the person you're most opposed to, like your ideas and everything you believe, is so deeply opposed to you.
Always assume that their position, their argument, their intention, all of it is as sincere, as grounded, and as empathetic and understanding and as based in truth as yours is.
Do not judge, lest you be judged.
You know, that, the York Notes version of it.
So when, so when, when you bump into, when you're on the beach and you see a man wearing a kind of see-through outfit with his nipple rings and stuff.
Where the fuck's he gone, my homie?
Ah, Lawrence, Lawza, my friend.
You know me, of course.
I am Klaus.
And you're going to be thinking, yeah, Remember what Peter Bogosian said?
Yeah, I am.
This guy is as sincere... Yes, because if you don't, if you don't, you can't...
You absolutely know that you are in real and true pursuit of the truth.
And you're not being comforted by your own bias.
And let's face it, the reason why our... I'm so pleased that I'm keeping you so interested.
The reason why our ideological foes are doing so well is because they're using that weapon against us.
They're using righteousness against us in a way that we're not willing to use in return.
Look, I'm not ending now because I'm feeling that you're my discarded rag.
I've had enough of you.
I'm not doing it because I'm bored either.
I'm doing it because I'm going to get bollocked.
I know, you're right.
And also I love you and I love the fact that we talk about these things and all I'm going to say as my final bit is We... All roads lead to James Delingpole.
I promise you, in this journey, all roads... And that doesn't mean, by the way, that all roads lead to you carrying a cross up a hill, getting murdered and being resurrected.
It means that your head is going to be served on a plate to King Herod's wife.
So those roads lead to James Denningpole.
In the meantime, let's spread the fucking good word and let's turn around and say to people, even those that are our enemies, that we know are working for the other bloke, And we know, like the Archbishop of Canterbury, like the Archbishop of York, like anyone who puts a trans progressive pride flag on a thing, you saw I burnt the shit out of it the other week and I got in loads of trouble.
That's, as Jeremy Hosking said to me, he said to me, because I debated as to whether to do it because obviously it's not really statesman-like, He said it's a fairly decent negotiating, opening negotiating position, which is that you will tolerate and accept gay and lesbian relationships, but you will not tolerate the chopping off of children's dicks, because that is satanic.
Now, it says that there is a Christian and theological argument to say that homosexuality is sinful, but there's also a theological argument to say that sex is for marriage.
It's biblical, isn't it?
Yeah, well, whatever the fuck.
I don't care.
I'm not a theologian.
I'm at Loza.
So I'm just saying, there's also, we shouldn't have a hierarchy of sin.
We shouldn't go that being gay is more sinful than sex before marriage.
Like, all are sins, lots of things that people do.
And what the world is doing is the world is creating a hierarchy of sins.
And we're allowing the world to do it.
And we're playing a part in that by refusing to get, to write to Julia Hartley-Brewer and say, I'd like to speak to you, to ask you, do you repent?
To yourself, or is there any part of your conscience that says that pushing the vaccine on people was a bad idea?
And I just wonder whether she would respond.
Yes.
Well, um... Yeah, for the reasons I've given, it ain't gonna happen.
And I think I'm very comfortable in my, you know, I mean, okay, I may be guilty of the sin of pride or arrogance or whatever, I know my flaws, but I also know what my mission is, and it ain't to get distracted by by things that I shouldn't be I support you and your mission thank you for being on the Dealing Pod and answering some of my sort of impertinent questions
and I apologise if there were people watching who feel that I should have there were areas where I should have stuck in the knife that I didn't why would you I was thinking about this in the knife the point is I want to give you because I love you I want to give you the chance to show yourself in a good light and You know, that's what I mean.
I don't want it to be seen like it's a cosy thing where I'm trying to let my friend Lozler off the hook because I love him and I've been blinded by my love for him.
You know what I mean?
I'm in the business of making people... Do you want to tell me that you stand working for the devil and that I am on the other side?
No.
I just think you're not as bright as me and you're a lovey.
Those are your problems.
There's nothing... I love you so much.
I'm definitely not as bright as you.
No, I know, but obviously you're not because you wouldn't have become a mumma if you were as bright as me.
Anyway, I still love you, I want you to know that, and I genuinely hope that people who are sceptical of you have watched this and gone, I've dissed him in the past, but actually, you know, I think he's alright.
I get him.
He's coming from a good place.
I hope that's the case.
And also, if they won, and next time you do get together in the barn, with the goat's blood and the Virgin, and you hang her upside down on the crucifix, and we all kill her, I'll be there.
It proves to show that I'm part of your team, I'll be on the side.
What?
What are you... You're saying something that's falling slightly flat.
What are you saying here?
I'm just saying you're so puritanical!
Ditch the puritanism!
It's not puritanical, I've just got a moral compass.
That's so vain!
Why would you think that you have a moral compass above anybody else?
Come on dude!
No I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't at all.
I don't, I don't at all.
I, I, I'm absolutely not.
I mean I'm really, I, I hope that I'm, that I don't.
Well so I've got two types of psilocybin in my kitchen.
That belong to you!
Yeah.
So you better be!
Yeah, I know!
Otherwise I'm not going to give you psychedelic drugs that I have!
This is why I've been suffering, because I haven't been microdosing for a very, very long time, and I think that maybe my psyche might have suffered, but that's not the point.
I just, no, as I said, I don't want people to think ill of you, I know that this is why I talked about control and opposition because it's a very divisive subject and I think there are degrees and I think that some people, well my point is your point, that not everyone is.
Some people are just doing their thing.
If I was controlled opposition, I'd be doing a lot fucking better at it.
I tell you that.
I really would.
I would have been in the meeting with Rupert Murdoch going, Rupert, I really want a job.
And he'd be going, OK, all you have to do is say the vaccines are great.
And I'd be like, yeah, no problem.
How much do I get a year?
I'd be doing that.
I'd be sucking that dick if that's what I wanted to do.
You know?
And maybe one day I will.
Yeah.
You never know.
But at the moment... No, don't do it.
Don't do it.
Well, at the moment, the one thing you can't accuse me of is that.
And that's the only thing I'm sensitive about.
It's like... No, I'm not.
I get attacked by the wokey people.
That's fair.
Attack away.
But when your own side turn around and go, You can't even join the Reclaim Party.
It's a structure built around an actor.
And I'm just like, oh, get a grip, babe.
Honestly, you wouldn't get past, in the olden days, you're a journalist, you wouldn't have got past the first column.
You wouldn't have got one printed.
So, you know, let's not dip our own standards to fit people who encourage our narrative.
Let's stick to the truth and I'll search of it.
And you are much smarter than me, but I have an intelligence that you don't have, which is that I spent 20 years acting.
Are you talking to me now?
Yeah.
Are you talking to me?
Yeah, I spent 20 years acting.
I spent 20 years acting.
Yeah, I know, but I don't know why you're suddenly attacking me.
I'm not attacking you!
I'm loving you.
I'm telling you, you know, I asked you a few questions in response to you.
So you're saying, you're worried that I'm... Yeah, they were weird.
They were weird questions.
They were.
They were really weird.
Were they?
Like, why wouldn't you have Julia Hartley Brew on your pod?
I mean, it's just like, people are going, what?
What?
Why not have Bill Gates on my pod?
Why don't you have Bill Gates on your pod?
Why don't you say to him, hey Bill, Can you come on the pod just because I'm interested as to why you and Melinda are still giving thalidomide drugs to people in Africa?
You know, just say.
And he'll go, sorry I'm not available on that.
Are you trying to get me bollocked by encouraging me to continue this pod when it should have ended?
When I said it was going to end like five minutes ago.
Every minute that goes by now is a minute towards more bollocking.
I love you with all my heart and I know that you love me.
Lots of love.
And don't forget, do you want to plug anything by the way?
No, just vote for me in Ryslip and Uxbridge.
Both my viewers who live in Ryslip and Uxbridge, vote Lozza.
Good.
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