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April 4, 2023 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole

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	Well, my special guest this week about who I'm very excited is Alistair Williams!
	Alistair!
	It's good to be back.
	I'm genuinely so excited and you've done me a huge favour by helping me decide what the first thing we're going to talk about is because I just, you got the double didn't you?
	You got the double, you actually found, do you know about Have you ever read John McNabb by John Buckham?
	I've read almost nothing, so the answer is no.
	I don't read too much.
	A McNab is this, this thing that you get where you, I think you catch a salmon, you shoot a brace of grouse and stalk a deer all in the same day.
	So you really need to do it on a scholarship, on your own scholarship.
	Have you got a scholarship state?
	No, unfortunately not.
	Okay, but it's gonna happen Alistair, I can tell you.
	Your comedy is so good.
	I'm going to make you a star.
	You're going to be good.
	So you will have your own private Scottish estate and you'll be able to get on with now.
	But anyway, you got the sort of the podcasting equivalent where you managed to bag both Piers Morgan and trigonometry at the same time.
	I don't think it's too easy.
	I try and stay away from that kind of content now, because being a Christian, it's like, I don't like to go in too hard on people, or, you know, try and be as non-confrontational as I can.
	But, when you're leading people astray, and when I feel like you're pretending to help people, but you're actually herding them into a bad place, I can't help myself, you know?
	And you hit the nail on the head when you were like... Actually, the first time I ever met you, the first thing you did was sort of take the piss out of trigonometry, and I'm like, okay, this guy's definitely on the level.
	He's definitely on the level.
	He's definitely my kind of guy.
	If you can see through them immediately, then, you know, you must be onto something.
	It's quite interesting, isn't it?
	Because I posted up your takedown of... Well, for those who haven't seen it, just loosely, just give us a TLDR on what you said and what the deal was.
	So they did this interview with Piers Morgan where he was apologising, air quotes, for all the sort of the bullying that he did about people to get vaccinated during Covid and they just sort of completely let him off the hook.
	It was more of a whitewash You know what I mean?
	It was completely whitewashing what Piers did and he was blaming it on, well, the science changed.
	You know, which is... science doesn't change, does it?
	The truth doesn't change.
	It's like, you were lying to people.
	They just completely let him off.
	They don't challenge him on anything.
	They just sit there and sort of nod along and laugh and, you know, they're just sort of... under the guise of he's apologising.
	What he's actually doing is trying to get away with it, essentially.
	Yeah.
	It definitely was a non-apology apology, and there was no element of contrition.
	I mean, you know, in Christian terms, I think that there's got to be a degree of repentance, hasn't there?
	It can't just be a formulaic...
	Oh, yeah.
	Even doubled down and said, like, well, you know, I didn't mean to get on the nerves of normal people.
	Who I was aiming at are those horrible anti-vax people.
	And they're absolutely disgusting.
	The trigonometry bias were like, oh, yeah.
	Oh, yes.
	They're terrible.
	It's like you mean the people who were right, the people who didn't want to take the vaccine, who were correct.
	You know, Pierce is basically saying, oh, well, I was telling you how to get it because it doesn't stop transmission, and it turns out that was complete rubbish.
	But I didn't know that at the time.
	It's like, well, that's what people like me were saying.
	We were saying it doesn't stop transmission.
	It's actually quite obvious that the more of these you have, the more likely you are to be ill from various different things.
	I mean, you can just see that, you know, anecdotally or objectively yourself, probably.
	If you know anyone who's had, like, five boosters, I'm guessing that they're ill.
	A lot.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think... Oh, there's so much of it about now.
	But they're all... But I think, unfortunately... There is, isn't there?
	They're in denial.
	They're all... I think that might be down to the lack of sun.
	That people are sick so much.
	I think they're doing so much to mess with us now.
	That... That there's so many bugs and stuff.
	And I think the lack of sun...
	Is a real, real... The lack of vitamin D is going to be making so many people ill.
	But so many people, they just, they don't... They don't question the fact that it is 100% cloud cover.
	100% of the time.
	Every day, it's 100% cloud cover.
	That is not normal.
	That is not in any way normal.
	You know?
	I haven't... You see blue sky once in every three weeks.
	Like, no exact... Doesn't matter what month it is.
	Like...
	That is not, no, but people are just, they've normalised, just every day, where I live, every day, grey 100% everywhere.
	There's no longer any randomness in the weather.
	But, you know, that's a tough one to sell some people on, but lots of people do seem to be coming around to the idea that, well, hey, if they were lying to us about these injections, then they might be lying to us about pretty much anything.
	As ever, you've gone and disappeared off in another interesting direction, as you're going to do all this podcast, and that's really good.
	By the way, I'm not sure, do you think if you moved your mic away from you slightly, it might... It's too loud.
	Well it's doing sort of... Oh yeah, is that better?
	Yeah, but simultaneously it's not very loud.
	I can turn it down.
	Oh, that must be better.
	Is that better?
	Probably.
	I've seen other shows.
	They actually have sound engineers that sit on them and tinker.
	And they have sort of visual people who say, can you just move slightly to your left?
	No, no, the other left.
	Alistair.
	Yeah, that's good.
	That's good.
	Stay there.
	Don't move.
	Yeah, right.
	Anyway.
	You raised a very interesting question about should because I was thinking about this as well.
	I was going to ask you about this and you anticipated me about Christians taking the piss going in hard mocking and it's quite difficult for if you are of a snarky disposition as as you and I both are.
	Yeah.
	So how do you reconcile that with one's You just be led by the spirit.
	I mean, my content's changed a lot.
	I used to do a lot of those sort of takedown videos and, you know, it's easy for me to do and people really enjoy that content.
	But I sort of just reserve it for, you know, when people really deserve it or when it really helps people.
	Like the point of that video was to help people.
	You see a lot of people on our side who get very frustrated with these interviews and they're very annoyed about them.
	And I think it's just, it's good for them to be able to watch something and be like, oh yeah, that is, that's made me feel a lot better, you know, I was infuriated by that interview.
	And so when I'm sort of relieving that sort of anger or the stress that good people are experiencing, I feel like that is something that the Lord wants me to be doing.
	You know, I mean, So you just sort of be led by that.
	I'm with you.
	I know where I'm coming from.
	I know if it's coming from a good place.
	You know, actually, I pray for most of these people.
	I pray for Constantine and Francis because, you know, I know them personally.
	They're not bad people.
	But I think a lot of people in comedy, especially, they're trapped by this sort of carrot of you're going to have all these followers, you're going to be doing this.
	And at that point, they just don't care about Morality anymore.
	They're just like I've got a big show.
	I've got all these incredible guests What do I need to say?
	What what line do I need to take?
	You know, so It's hard, but you try and just Go with it.
	It's interesting actually that you say that because actually it gels with something I was thinking last night The question that haunts me although it shouldn't I mean, it doesn't haunt me in a really bad way It's just a kind of niggling Curiosity more than anything which is about Tobes.
	Yes.
	On London Calling and some of his behaviour just strikes me as just Incomprehensible in a in a sort of an intelligent person, you know, I for example, I do not see how you could be aware of vaccine injury of of the corrupt nature of the pandemic which pretty much he has sort of come around to understanding.
	He does after all host the site called the Daily Skeptic.
	And then suddenly late in the day decide actually know that vaccines are are important for people in at-risk categories and and and suddenly sort of going back to the government's position and you think well okay so he's either being bribed blackmailed or controlled in in some way told given some off some bauble that you know Tobes look It would be helpful to us if you say this but you don't say that.
	Look we don't mind you saying this really it's okay and you could you can still break bread with James Dellingpole because it's it's good to expose these people as well in this week's episode mentally ill.
	You know good opportunity to slur them but but I was thinking about this last night and I was thinking I was trying to get into into into Tobes's head rather than just sort of indulge my paranoid suspicions.
	And I was thinking that Tobes is and always has been very much about the brand about his consciousness of his place in the what he would call the marketplace of ideas.
	I would never use that phrase but Toby would love that phrase.
	And Tobes would say, well look, I can't go where Delingpole is because I couldn't do my job at the Spectator anymore and I couldn't get these jobs on these kind of normie crossover TV channels and I couldn't get conference gigs and stuff.
	So I won't even think about the possibility of going in that direction.
	In other words, he's not really thinking about, as you and I do, which is, what's the truth?
	Regardless of what personal costs I may experience in seeking the truth.
	He's thinking, where in the market can I position myself?
	You think?
	Comfortably.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I've wondered.
	Obviously, I love London Calling because, for that reason, there's you on there.
	And you're obviously seeing everything that's going on, and then you're one of your friends, and you're trying to sort of just permeate through, like, well, don't you see this and that?
	And you can tell, Tobes, he's one of these people, he doesn't want to see what you see.
	It's not that it's not obvious.
	It's not that you are not presenting facts.
	He doesn't want to see it.
	He doesn't want to live in the James Dillingpole world, because, like you said, he's the spectator, he's the head of the free speech union, blah-di-blah-di-blah, like...
	None of that is going to be available to him in my opinion if he went full James Delingpole, like none of it.
	No, no.
	I think you've got, I think we talked about this before, you've really got to take, even if you're not a Christian, you've got to take the Christian attitude which is lay not up for yourselves treasure on earth where moth and rust doth corrupt and thieves break through and steal, but lay up for yourself treasures in heaven.
	That you have to Realize that worldly baubles are not worth it, that they're a distraction.
	And if you start chasing after things like prestige, TV gigs, all this stuff, this is a lesson, they've got you because you are part of the beast system, by definition.
	They are not in charge of that.
	Something that I learned is God is in charge of my income 100% and the Bible tells you that and it's true.
	I have really struggled with making money, supporting my family over the last couple of years but recently in this most spectacular way
	God let me know that at the last possible minute I had this tax bill I couldn't pay and I went to see my pastor and his wife and his wife actually said look you know you and I said to them I'm not worried about this because seek the kingdom of heaven first and all things will be added to you so I said look I'm doing God's work and I'm not making any money but I trust God to come through and the pastor's wife said well yeah but don't you see that there's like this disconnect and because you can't pay this big tax bill you know maybe God's not that happy with you
	And literally, I was so, you know, upset about that.
	On the way home, this guy messaged me, and he said, Alistair, I want to send you a large amount of money.
	And I said to him, no, this is too strange, like, don't send it.
	He said, no, no, God has told me you have to have this money now.
	And I said, sleep on it, think about tomorrow.
	He sent me the money tonight, and it was exactly the amount, and more so, that I needed to pay this tax bill.
	And it was so incredible, that it was just like, it was God saying to me, no, no, no, I got you, you are on the right path, keep going.
	And it just, it was amazing.
	Like, people, I tell this story, even my dad, who's a complete atheist, he was like, That is an incredible story.
	So he will deliver.
	The world isn't actually in charge of whether you starve, whether you have money or not.
	God is in charge of everything.
	So just make it right with him and don't worry about this world.
	Don't worry about it.
	They're not as in charge as they pretend.
	This is a completely random bloke.
	Never met him before in my life.
	And it was the timing of it.
	He said, no, no, no.
	God has told me to send you this money tonight.
	And I literally left that meeting thinking, wow, even my pastor and his wife seem to be like trying to push me off this course, but I feel like I'm on God's course.
	And that was God just sort of coming in and being like, no, no, no, no.
	You stay on the course that you're on.
	You know, you are on the right path.
	I got you.
	And since then, I found, like, my income has raised.
	It's like, I feel God sends you into the wilderness when you first become a believer, like he does with the Jews when they came out of Egypt.
	He sends you into the wilderness when you first believe, and that's where he hones you and builds your faith.
	And it's important to just keep faith with God through the wilderness, and then he will see you right in the end.
	You know?
	So, Christians that are struggling, this is something that's appointed to all of us.
	Every Christian will face persecution and trials.
	It's not some of you, it's all of you.
	But, in the end, just keep the faith and God has got you.
	You're making me feel like a lightweight.
	Why?
	Why?
	I'm doing the exact same thing!
	Well it's true, no it is true, but I, you know, the thing is, surely it's the nature of being a Christian, particularly a new Christian, that you're constantly asking yourself, am I doing it?
	Am I doing it right?
	Am I doing it well enough?
	And also, I've had people on my telegram group, on Twitter and so on, when they want to throw a hissy fit at me, or when they want to get at me, they will say, you're not a real Christian, you don't get Christianity, you're a...
	I mean I think it's kind of demonic to say such things.
	But nevertheless, they play on one's anxiety.
	Every day I'm asking myself, you know, like that discussion we had about how much can you take the piss out of people.
	I want to go back to that by the way.
	It's quite important because at the same time as being good Christians, doing what we do, we have another function which is to As you say, relieve people's emotional safety valve to get rid of all that pent-up, Piers Morgan-generated rage and fury and frustration.
	And also to expose these people as charlatans, because they are.
	They are.
	And I think that satire, which necessarily is cruel, is the best way of doing that.
	So we've got this sort of contradiction in our two roles as good Christians and as satirists.
	Yeah, totally.
	But I think as long as you're not attacking the person, then if I would try to always, you know, sort of evaluate, listen, what are these people saying, rather than who I say that they are, you know?
	And in that sense, it's relatively easy.
	But also I think that God's put, this is the role that God has for me, is to mock this uh to mock evil essentially yeah like evil and and lies there's so once they're exposed it's so pathetic it's so like hilarious like if you ever catch someone in a lie Like, someone says, oh, I was here, and then you catch them in the lie.
	They immediately, they're just so small, and the truth is so much greater than deception, in the same way that God is so much greater than Satan.
	So, you know, there's no problem with, you know, sort of, uh, standing for the truth.
	You know, that's something that God does want you to do, as long as that's your, you know, Also, Alistair, he definitely, definitely has a sense of humour.
	I really find this.
	Where do you think we got it from?
	Yeah, totally.
	Totally.
	I think people don't get that, that we are made in his image.
	I mean, sometimes I try and understand all the crazy shit that is going on up in heaven, you know, as above so below.
	And all the wars, the Prince of Persia, for example.
	Yes, yes.
	The really interesting, crazy stuff that you just kind of, you're drawn to.
	The demons are pretty much, or fallen angels, excuse me, are pretty much in charge of all the major countries.
	You know, in some way or another.
	You know, when you find that out in the Bible, it's fascinating what's really going on.
	Isn't it?
	But the war's already been won.
	Jesus won the war.
	The war has already been won.
	This is the mopping up period.
	You know, this is the mopping up period where the devil's trying to drag as many people with him to hell as he can.
	And our job as Christians is to save as many people.
	That's the only reason why the world is still here.
	The only reason why the earth is still running is because God wants to pull as many sticks out of the fire as He can.
	And that's why things are going to go to hell on earth.
	That's why.
	I don't believe that Christians aren't going to be here for this.
	So if you're a Christian, chill out.
	God's going to pull you into heaven before this happens.
	But for non-Christians, you should know that things are going to get decidedly worse Towards the end, but if you can come to believe in Jesus before that point Then you'll be in heaven watching it happen.
	That's my This is this is obviously very reassuring and I I do very much admire your faith I just before we go back to all this because this is everything you say is interesting the problem I have with you You are one of those guests that everything you say is interesting and I could talk to you for days, which is great.
	But on the subject of the Trigger Pod boys and Piers Morgan, what I noticed was that when I posted up your brilliant takedown, Some people notionally on our side of the argument said, but I'm quite a fan of the of trigonometry.
	You know, I think it's unfair that they've been fighting a good good fight again, you know for free speech my free speech and and I personally.
	I get quite impatient with these people because I think that they are lacking in... I mean, every Christian thinks he's got discernment.
	They think it's this magical quality that they've automatically... It's not true.
	Loads of Christians have not got discernment.
	Nevertheless, whether you're a Christian or not, not to be able to perceive at this stage in the day that this couple of really not very funny comedians Who emerge from nowhere, they spring to earth fully formed with this very expensively produced podcast which gets lots of sort of high-end guests from the sort of sceptical side of the argument.
	Can people not see?
	I know these guys, okay?
	They were open mic comedians, okay?
	Open mic comedians, then to sort of semi-pro comedians, and they were never at the top end of the scale.
	They were sort of mediocre at best, okay?
	So then, Jordan Peterson's on the show.
	Constantine, how do you know Jordan Peterson?
	You are an open-minded... How the hell do you know Jordan Peterson?
	How do you know all the... You don't!
	And also, if you look at... Always look at the origin story.
	Always look at... What made these people famous?
	In Konstantin's case, it was an email that he sent to universities.
	And then Fox News wanted to talk about this email, and the BBC wanted to talk about this email, and the whole of the mainstream media universe was so fascinated by an email that somebody sent him.
	And then, the next thing, he's blown up all over the place.
	You really think the people at Fox News are like, oh my god, what's this story about an email?
	Someone's been sent an email?
	Oh my, get him on, Tucker Carlson!
	No chance in hell, you know?
	The same way people that are opposition that are born on BBC Question Time.
	Oh, they were never on our side and then they went on BBC Question Time.
	Constantine's the same thing.
	It's like, oh, he goes on the BBC and is the opposition.
	Oh, isn't it spectacular the amount of own goals that the BBC... They seem to keep creating their own opposition.
	Isn't that bloody strange?
	Like, when the BBC pick someone to go on there as an opposition to everything they stand for, do you think they go out there and be like, well, who's the heaviest hitter we can find?
	Who's the most... And just look at the two of them.
	How much charisma is there there?
	How much, you know, real... Negative.
	It's negative.
	I'm not sure how you measure it.
	Negative charisma.
	Right.
	It's so obvious when you... Or like the people that are on like talk TV or, you know, all this stuff.
	You know, and you just look at them and just think, you know, are these really the best of the best?
	Are they really so?
	And a lot of the people who are on our side, all they do is argue with the other side and they're very much, they have no grace.
	Like Jesus was full of grace and truth.
	The reason why this is so important is because you can't just tell people the truth, as in like, you're wrong and I know the truth.
	They're not going to listen.
	You have to be full of grace and truth, like non-judgmental, you know, really sort of trying to build bridges with people instead of, I'm right and you're wrong.
	So, you know, a lot of the people, they're just there to argue with the other side.
	Someone said the other day, I think it was on your podcast, the Harlem Globetrotters needed somebody to play against.
	And that's the role that these people, you know, that they take.
	You know, there has to be some sort of opposition for the other people to do their thing.
	Yes, yes.
	And also, did you... I think it was on... I still haven't listened to him, but he's meant to be really good.
	Crow777?
	I think he was saying this, that... Oh, it's something about lab rats.
	Oh yes.
	And if lab rats don't get their little treat occasionally, where they're persuaded that they're winning.
	Yeah, that's it.
	They just give up completely.
	Yeah.
	So part of the function of these these fake people on our side is to give us little... Little wins.
	Phillips that we need to keep us from just rolling over and dying.
	Although given that's the plan anyway, given they want us to roll over and die, I'm not sure that...
	Well, yeah.
	But at the moment, I'm sceptical about all the wins that we're given.
	I'm starting to form the opinion that they want to expose their own system.
	Like, for example, Joe Biden.
	There's not a chance in hell that I believe that Joe Biden is their best guy.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	You honestly think that he is... that they've put him in there to do a good job?
	The guy is hilariously bad.
	It's like, oh, you want us to see This guy's terrible.
	Like, to the point of like, it's almost slapstick now, where he comes out and, I love chocolate ice cream, and oh, by the way, about the school shooting, it's like, okay, I've had enough now.
	So, you're deliberately choosing somebody that's borderline senile, stroke insane, stroke racist, stroke a paedophile.
	Like, there couldn't be anyone worse, you know, Hunter Biden, the laptop.
	It's like, I think they are deliberately showing us that the system is ruined because They've got a new system coming and that's where they want us to go.
	So they're burning down their own system because problem, reaction, solution.
	The solution is here comes, maybe the New World Order built back better.
	You know, maybe that's a big red herring.
	Like we're going to defeat the New World Order and be moved into where they really want us to go.
	Yes, well that ushers in the era of the next Antichrist and all that, that he's going to save us from this stuff.
	Interestingly, you mentioned Jordan Peterson, where are you on him?
	Uh, I mean, this is a wacky opinion, but I used to really like Jordan Peterson, and he seems to have completely changed.
	And I don't rule out the fact that, you remember when he was really ill?
	He used to be like a, he used to take down the establishment in a sort of worthy way, when he, you know, he went on Channel 4, and he sort of destroyed the whole feminism argument, which I know is of the enemy.
	Okay, and then he got really ill.
	Which, by the way, I don't think is a coincidence.
	I don't think that pretty much the number one voice against trans and woke-ism just got really ill.
	You know, and then he went to Russia or something and he was never the same since.
	I don't know whether they've... This sounds crazy, but I don't rule it out.
	This isn't necessarily what I believe, but I don't rule it out.
	That he's completely different to the point where... Is he even Jordan Peterson?
	Right.
	Is it a clone?
	You know, I don't know if they have that technology, but I'm one of these people, I don't rule anything out.
	Like, I don't pretend that...
	You know, if we're really dealing with fallen angels and the demonic and... Do you have any idea what sort of technology, what they're capable of?
	I don't.
	But I know that Joe Biden doesn't look nothing like Joe Biden used to look like.
	You know, like his ears are different, his face is different, like... There's something going on with that.
	And with Jordan Peterson, he either completely changed His personality.
	Do you know the point where he's wearing these crazy suits now?
	He looks like a Batman villain.
	I think it's... Yeah, I think it is.
	I think that there's I've listened to a few podcasts on this subject and I think it's it goes even deeper than you suggest.
	I disagree with you by the way.
	I mean, I agree is a wrong and I think he was always a wrong.
	And I think that if you look at his history, he's lied.
	He's a serial liar number one, you know, and that's that's the biggest tell for me if people lie, they're not to be trusted.
	I mean, they're not batting for the right team because I think that Good people find it very, very hard to lie.
	Somebody told me if you know their name, they're in the game.
	Like, if they're world famous, I'm sorry, they're not.
	You know?
	I think I think that's that's probably true.
	But certainly people have analyzed his those weird suits.
	He wears which are half and half the back.
	This is this is Luciferian duality.
	It's the it's the Illuminati.
	It's these rule symbols.
	It's all about the signs and symbols and you'll notice that.
	Jordan Peterson is hosting this massive conference things at supposedly an alternative to the World Economic Forum.
	He's coming to the UK in October and he's and you can bet that lots of people will be drawn in drawn into his Corral people are people who wouldn't might be gravitating towards us, but they've gone.
	No, wait a second.
	I'm embarrassed by my I don't want to be a white nationalist or whatever.
	I'm going with Jordan Peterson.
	He talks sense and they get defanged and distracted and all sorts of things.
	Second net.
	If you woke up to the mainstream media and guess what?
	We've got a whole second net of people That are internet celebrities.
	Andrew Tate is another one, unfortunately.
	I think you've had him on as a guest.
	He was a great guest.
	I bet.
	Like you say, young men who are like, oh, this guy is my guy, etc.
	But it's like, this is the most famous cancelled person I've ever seen in my life.
	You know?
	All of a sudden, I couldn't move on my feed without him everywhere.
	And they're telling me, oh, this person's been taken down by the establishment.
	I know how that feels.
	If the establishment doesn't want you to exist, I know what happens.
	And let me tell you something, you don't end up on Talk TV with Piers Morgan, OK, talking about how you're cancelled.
	That's not what happens, you know?
	So it's almost reached a point with several shows as well.
	Joe Rogan's show, sadly, where it's like, when he had the trigonometry boys on there, I was like, oh, so it's not real.
	Like, I used to watch that and it's one of the reasons I became a comedian is that podcast.
	And I remember thinking, man, if I can get so good at comedy, Joe Rogan will have me on the podcast.
	So when he's got the Trigonometry Boys on there, it's like, oh, that ain't what happens.
	There's no way that he looked at them and was like, oh, they're so, so incredible.
	I must talk to them.
	You're telling me Joe Rogan was like, I must talk to them.
	They're so interesting.
	Piss off.
	Piss off.
	There's no chance.
	There's no chance, you know?
	So, it's almost reached, and everyone that, like, Jordan Peterson is one, but these names of people that I used to follow, I realised they pretty much all came to me through the Joe Rogan podcast, and... It's a trap.
	When he fell out with Alex Jones and they started, I realised that both of them were fake, when they started, you know, Alex Jones basically said he's controlled and is this and that and then the next day they were friends again and I was just like, oh okay, none of you guys are real.
	Although, interesting, did you hear, so I must stop using that word interestingly, that's the, did you hear the the germ warfare interview with Alex Jones?
	No.
	Alex Jones, whatever else you think about him, and I agree with you, I think he's been got at.
	Because I think he's been told, look, you can go on saying this stuff, but if you do, we'll kill you.
	So chuck in a bit of limited hangout stuff at him.
	He's obviously very intelligent.
	He's really intelligent.
	He's actually quite articulate in his kind of Texan macho kind of way.
	He's a thinker.
	I'm not saying that we should suddenly start tuning into Alex Jones, but he's no fool.
	I was gonna say something interesting.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Big build-up.
	You were talking about the demons and the Nephilim and you're one of the few people that I can talk to about this stuff because you probably thought about it as I have.
	I mean my line at the moment is there aren't any aliens.
	I'm not even I'm not even sure that there are any other I think I think this our planet is here.
	This is God's God created this and everything else is just a kind of decoration.
	I think yeah.
	Yeah.
	I don't believe that there are aliens from other planets.
	I think that what we think of as aliens are in fact the Nephilim, the descendants of the fallen angels, yeah?
	100%.
	That's exactly what it is.
	That's exactly what it is.
	But people, they've been lied to so much about history and what's happened before that.
	I mean, I think when they start to reveal themselves, they'll be billed to us as aliens.
	I think they're going to pretend that there's aliens.
	I actually think that's how they're going to explain the rapture, like when all the Christians disappear, they're going to say, oh, they've been abducted by aliens and here's, we need to come together to fight these aliens and form the new world order, etc.
	So, yeah, I do think, but there's an important line in the Bible when Right at the beginning when God is talking to Adam and Eve, okay, and he says to Eve and the serpent, I will create enmity between your seed and her seed.
	He says this to the devil.
	Now what people need to realize is that there's two seeds in this conversation.
	Eve's seed and the seed of the serpent.
	Like, the devil has seed.
	There is a line that comes from the devil and that is these Nephilim that are in the Bible.
	Again, giants, you know, that were wiped out in the flood but there was giants after the flood too.
	And that is, there's lots of things about these in history, like the first dinosaur bone discovered was actually a giant human thigh bone that they sort of went, oh actually it belongs to the Diplomyclodocus or whatever, like, you know, and there's lots there for people to uncover, but to the uninitiated, you know, we must sound crazy when we talk about Nephilim and fallen angels and giants and all that sort of thing, but
	You know, the Book of Enoch was taken out of the Bible, and I'm quite suspicious about that, that the Book of Enoch was taken, which explains all this.
	Yes, yes, this is one of the great divisions you get among Christians, because there are Christians, and it's kind of tiresome, because I don't like having my wings clipped by the brothers and sisters, you know, but there are those who say, look, If it's in the Bible, it's by definition what God wants, because he wouldn't have so arranged it for the stuff he wants in there not to be in there.
	And ergo, if the Book of Enoch is not in the Bible, that is also what God wants, because reasons, because, you know, there it is.
	I'm not sure that I'm necessarily sympathetic to that approach to Christ.
	There's too much trust the plan going on.
	Where are you on that?
	Well God says in the Bible anyone that adds to this the plagues in the book will be added to them and anyone who takes away from this word I will take away from them so God actually gives us a warning like don't mess with this book don't take stuff out don't put stuff in which for me indicates that it's possible to do that otherwise God wouldn't say don't take stuff out don't put stuff in so it's possible that people have taken out Look how many versions of the Bible there are.
	Was there like 500 versions?
	How many versions of Shakespeare are there?
	You don't go to the bookstore and say, can I have a version of Shakespeare?
	You just get Shakespeare.
	You know, the word has been changed and altered so much.
	I mean, I like some of the newer versions.
	They're easy to understand than the King James or whatever.
	But you have to see that You know, we live in the age of deception, okay?
	Anyone can see that.
	And when Jesus gives his sermon at the Mount of Olives, when he explains to people what's coming at the end, he opens it by saying, take care that no man deceives you, and he closes that by saying, take care that no man deceives you.
	So Jesus is stressing They're going to try and deceive you during this time that we're in.
	And you couldn't see any more deception abounding in the world than right now.
	I mean, that's where the war is being fought.
	It is an information war.
	It's a war to do with deception.
	But the prophecies that are in the Bible about the end times, so many of them are coming true that even an atheist is going to struggle to say, oh yeah, I can't see how cash is being taken out of the world.
	You know, and this book's thousands of years old and they told you cash is coming out the world and that there's going to be a one world government.
	Like, okay, do you see that?
	Like, it's hard to get away from this book and how accurate it is.
	They just got to stop people from reading it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Where are you?
	Because this is another really, really tricky subject for us Christians.
	Reincarnation.
	Because, okay, so I, you know, I believe in all the Christian message and stuff, but I look at India, for example, and I look at all the Hindus out there.
	And I've heard so many stories, ranging from my friend Jonathan Miles Lee, who died as a Catholic, he was a Christian, but he remembered his previous life as a kind of child who died young in India.
	I've spoken to people who, a Hindu friend of mine, her aunt I think.
	Hindu?
	Died, yeah.
	And then was revived and came back ashen faced.
	And one of the things she said was, don't do bad things.
	It's really, really important that you get your conscience clean in this life.
	Now, have you come across the concept of the soul trap?
	What's that?
	Well okay, so I haven't really done my homework.
	I think David Icke talks about it, I think other people talk about it, but when you die you get a choice.
	There are sort of two paths.
	There's the light or something else, and I can't remember whether you're meant to follow the light or not.
	And if you take the wrong route, You end up coming back on earth to kind of go through your, maybe expiate your sins.
	Now, my Christian take on this is that the reason Christ came to us and died and said, you know, I'm the way, the truth, the life, that he made it clear that for Christians, this is the deal.
	I redeemed you from this cycle.
	This is it.
	You go up to heaven, you know.
	But I can well see, it might explain this complicated situation.
	How many Hindus are there?
	There are gazillions of them.
	Are we just saying airily, they haven't a bloody clue.
	Their entire belief system is completely wrong.
	It's all nonsense.
	I don't know, I'm not sure I feel like saying that.
	What does Jesus say?
	Jesus says no one comes to the Father except through me.
	So Jesus says I'm the only way.
	So, what Jesus is saying is, these other gods that you have, they're not the real God, and if you're following them, it's not going to work out well for you.
	So, with reincarnation and stuff, people should know that magic is real, like sorcery is real, and it's an abomination to God.
	So things like Ouija boards and stuff, and summoning demons, you can do all of that stuff.
	And there are, to you, an angel is going to seem like a god.
	Because, you know, they're capable of all this, all this incredible stuff to you.
	But, but...
	By their fruits you shall know them, the Bible says.
	So this idea of reincarnation, what's the fruit of it?
	Well, it's telling you, like, if you live a bad life and you get it wrong, you're gonna come back again and you're gonna have another chance, right?
	But that's not what the Bible says, that's not what Jesus says, that's not what God says.
	So, you need to pick very carefully.
	I mean, anything for me that is not of God is of Satan.
	So, as a Christian, when I look at Hindus, I'm sure there's some lovely people who are Hindus, I'm sure there's some lovely people who are Muslims.
	But, I believe you're going to stand before God and you're going to be judged and all of those who are in Christ, our sins have been paid for.
	Anyone else, whether they're a good person or what, are you going to meet God's standard without Jesus dying for you?
	Like, are you perfect like Jesus was?
	If not, Who's going to pay for your sins?
	And I think stuff like reincarnation, maybe this lady did die and was brought back to life by some, you know, magic or sorcery.
	Like, sure, I mean, that might be the case.
	But I would be very careful with anyone who's getting involved with stuff like that.
	The Bible says to stay well away from all that kind of stuff.
	I don't think, I'm not sure we're necessarily disagreeing.
	I mean I'm absolutely with you that the message, that Jesus' message is absolutely rock-solid.
	Yeah.
	But what I am saying is that there are, you can't get into Christianity and the Bible Without realizing that there are layers and layers of understanding.
	We see everything through a glass darkly.
	And there's a certain kind of Christian who says, I don't want to ask any awkward questions.
	I'm just gonna just go with the basics.
	They wouldn't even ask questions about the Nephilim.
	They wouldn't even go there.
	That's just too esoteric for them.
	And yet, as you've said, it's there.
	It's there to be understood.
	They just want the kind of the Sunday School version of Christianity and they're very happy in it and they feel secure and they can go to their graves and be resurrected confident they've been good Christians.
	We know that the Bible enjoins against sort of too much curiosity, too many asked questions.
	At the same time, For me, as somebody who is really, really curious about stuff, I mean, I'm fascinated by the esoteric.
	I mean, you cited the book of Enoch, you know, there are Christians out there who would say to you, no Alistair, you should not be going there.
	That is, you know, that's not the deal.
	It's not scripture.
	It has been decided that it's not.
	So I think it's okay.
	Yeah sure.
	To ask questions like this.
	It's definitely okay.
	Yeah.
	It's definitely okay but my response to it is God has been so good to me and has literally revealed himself to me in so many ways.
	I am only interested in the God of the Bible.
	That's all I'm interested in and he's happy with me on that track and I'm happy with it so I don't tend to delve into you know Hinduism or you know Islam or etc.
	You know Jesus is such a key figure in our history like all history revolves around Jesus You know, is that the same case of these other gods?
	You know, we live in 2020, three years after, you know, the Hindu God.
	You know, our calendar revolves around the name of Jesus.
	You know, our time revolves around the name of Jesus.
	And when I study the things that Jesus said, I see the truth in all of it.
	Like, people who think Jesus wasn't really the son of God, that he was lying.
	I asked him, well, tell me another lie Jesus told.
	What's the second biggest lie that Jesus told?
	Find me the, from the gospel, find me something Jesus said that is false.
	If Jesus was lying about the fact that he's the son of God, it's the only thing he was lying about.
	You know?
	Which doesn't make sense, does it?
	I was talking to Dick about this.
	I don't know whether you've heard that podcast yet.
	Is it out yet?
	Yeah, it's just come out.
	About Psalm 2.
	Which I just love.
	And there's a line where it goes, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.
	And it's God, obviously, a thousand years before the birth of Christ.
	I mean, this psalm was written a thousand years.
	Telling us what the deal is through the Psalms.
	I mean, it's a bit like your incident with the money.
	This crazy stuff is real and every day I sort of pinch myself in astonishment at what the deal is.
	Isn't it though?
	But people think, people think, oh, I haven't read the Bible because I'm not a Christian.
	And I would tell those people, listen, you're not a Christian because you haven't read the Bible.
	Like, if people actually read the Bible and knew all this stuff that was in there and saw how, wait a minute, but This is God talking about Jesus thousands of years before he turned up.
	There's so much evidence in there that the Bible is true, that this world really is far more interesting than you've been told.
	It's far more interesting than you've been told.
	So much more, yeah.
	I agree.
	Absolutely amazing.
	But you see, here's another thing.
	The thing I try and explain to people where they sort of they use the argument through incredulity that it's a rhetorical fallacy that it's like it's like Toby saying oh what you mean to say that Bill Gates has got this plan to blah blah blah and you're and you're supposed to go oh yeah now I think now you think now you mention it Tobes yeah it is just outrageous that that could be possible I'm just going to give up my my belief system altogether because there's no evidence to support it.
	So, but the thing I say to people when we talk about things like the Nephalem and so on, who obviously they're in their flying saucers, there's obviously there is this parallel technology out there and the stuff that Tesla's research has been suppressed by the FBI and the CIA and stuff, yadda yadda.
	The thing I say to people is, hang on a second, here's the deal.
	This being, this all-knowing, all-powerful being that lives outside time, Created us, created this world, and everything in it.
	The stuff about evolutionary theory is just a theory that was invented in the 19th century.
	It's a load of rubbish.
	It's a lie.
	It's a lie, okay?
	So, you were created by God, in his image.
	And so was everybody else.
	And he's infinitely loving.
	And really, he did make the lilies.
	And it's true that Solomon, in all his glory, was not arrayed by one of these.
	Look around you, look at the bluebell wood behind you.
	And so on.
	And if you accept that, that is true, and it is true, then all bets are off regarding other things being implausible.
	Because God is capable of anything.
	So, why are you quibbling about the Nephilim?
	And look how much better it makes you feel as a person, right?
	The Bible says, by your fruits you will know them.
	If you believe God's story of the universe, right, you're created in the image of God.
	And all this world is created for you.
	And you're this incredible creation of God.
	Or, if you want to go with science, you're a tadpole.
	That randomly turned into a chicken, that turned into a monkey, that turned into you.
	What does that tell you about yourself?
	Well, I just don't matter.
	I'm just random.
	I'm nothing.
	What's the scientific reason I shouldn't stab someone in the neck?
	There isn't one.
	There's no morality in there.
	Science doesn't actually offer you anything.
	It offers you nothing.
	It says that nothing is... Here's one.
	Reproductive organs.
	You're telling me that the male of the species evolved to have reproductive organs, and then, at the same time, the female of the species also just magically evolved a set of reproductive organs that completely fit the male set of reproductive organs?
	That's what you believe?
	Okay.
	In every species?
	All right.
	You know, it doesn't make any sense at all.
	If you really deep like evolution, it doesn't make any sense.
	It doesn't make any sense at all.
	They're asking you to believe that everything's random.
	And look how amazing the world is.
	Look how amazing our bodies are.
	And it's all just, there's no intelligent design behind anything in the world.
	I mean, okay, I mean, if you believe that, then they've got you, then, you know, then you might as well just, you know, do whatever you want.
	Because yes, it's obvious to us.
	But when you're under the spell, because I was, I, with my new awareness, I occasionally read articles, I mean, not not very often, because obviously, I try and steer away from any form of print media these days.
	Most wise.
	Occasionally you'll read articles book reviews say and it's such a dominant assumption.
	It's completely embedded in our culture as it would be.
	I mean if you wanted to promulgate a lie.
	And it was patently untrue.
	You would have to work really extra hard to make that lie become accepted truth in schools and universities and among journalists and so on.
	So yeah.
	I agree it's bleeding obvious, looking at a bee, say, looking at how they've got different level proboscises according to the kind of stamen or whatever they were, anther or whatever they're digging there when they're collecting nectar.
	All these remarkable things, these beautiful things, endless.
	I mean, isn't it ironic that one of the most, one of Satan's most loyal lieutenants on this earth, David Attenborough, makes his living out of celebrating the beauty of God's creation and then selling us a line about it.
	Yeah, I mean, if you see how beautiful, incredible everything is, if you don't believe that it has a design, then how are you even celebrating how amazing it is?
	Because it's, you know, it's just all just this random creation.
	I mean, how did everything so amazing come without anyone designed it?
	Like, if I told you that nobody designed my Volvo, And it's there.
	You wouldn't believe me.
	You'd be like, there's no way this car just was there.
	But what's more complicated, a human being or a Volvo?
	You know?
	But like you say, I mean, I guess it's pretty much nailed on.
	I mean, they get you when you're a kid.
	They get you on all this stuff when you're in school, and that's why school is so overrun now by, like, you know, the establishment and brainwashing, because they need to get you before, like, the devil tempts Jesus when he's at his lowest point, right?
	When he's been fasting for 40 days.
	The devil comes at you when You know, you're not at your lowest ebb when you can't... He never was on a fair fight.
	So if he can get you when you're five, and get the whole of the establishment telling you this is the way it is, then that's when he will get you.
	If we talk people about Jesus in history, people would know that he's real.
	He's the only historical character that they don't teach about in history, and all of history actually revolves around the date that he was born.
	It's quite incredible, really.
	I was thinking about, why do all kids have dinosaurs on their pyjamas?
	Good one for me.
	I like this.
	I was thinking the other day, like, if you asked someone, like, when was Jesus born, they'd tell you, oh, we're not sure, we don't know, it could have been here or there.
	But they know all this about dinosaurs, you know, like, to the level of, like, raptors were incredibly intelligent.
	It's like, how do you know that?
	From the bones?
	Did you find some bones of them playing chess?
	Like, shut up!
	They hunted in packs.
	Well, you caught a whole pack of them surrounding a mammoth as a fossil, did you?
	Shut up.
	You don't know all this stuff.
	Actually, you do know, because I know that velociraptors move really fast across CGI-generated planes.
	I've seen it.
	Oh, the Diplodocus stood on the hind legs and arched its back and went up.
	It's like you know all of this from some dusty old bones.
	Get out of here.
	That would have been quite a good gig though, wouldn't it, actually?
	Just being a 19th century millionaire and just inventing shit about dinosaurs.
	Just like, yeah, here's a big bone.
	I'm gonna construct this creature with these plates, these sticky up plates.
	No, no, hang on, wait a second.
	What about one with two horns and a kind of...
	Or with a frill like a ruff like it like a like a Elizabethan ruff.
	That would be good, wouldn't it?
	Do you see how much children love dinosaurs?
	My daughter loves dinosaurs.
	They're so designed to appeal to boys and their ADHD.
	Think about how much they teach you about dinosaurs and how much they teach you about Jesus.
	They don't teach you about Jesus at all.
	Like they don't teach you to love each other and blah blah blah.
	How much more What worth is it to you as a human being to learn about the stuff that Jesus said, or to learn about the Stegliodocus?
	It doesn't impact your life at all, what a dinosaur did or how it ate, and they fill you up with that.
	They're so keen to tell you about the megalodosius and all this crap.
	They're so keen to get you on that when you're a kid, and I think that's what it is.
	You're younger than me, Alistair, obviously.
	When I was at school, We had things called scripture classes and when I started rereading the Bible, well I'm reading in full for the first time, but when I started going through the New Testament I realized how incredibly well grounded I was in the Bible stories from my prep school and my public school.
	I was wondering whether that was the case when you were at school or had it by that time been kind of ousted from the curriculum?
	Still when I was at school we had religious education and we would learn what's in the Bible but like it was in religious education so it was it was split out from history which is where I think the I think they should teach about Jesus in history because he's a historical figure but because they split it into religious education you can say to yourself well everything in religious education it's kind of take it or leave it You know, it might be real, it might not be real.
	History's real.
	And they cut Jesus out of history, and they put him into a religious education, so you can choose to just, you know, completely disregard it.
	I think they should teach you about Jesus in history, so people know that he was a real man, who said real things, and you should study what he said.
	Well, also, while they're about it, they should actually teach history in history.
	Oh, I mean, that would also help.
	As opposed to made-up shit.
	Oh, there's so much, isn't there?
	You're just like, I don't know what to trust anymore.
	I don't want to think anymore.
	Nothing.
	Well, you know, you know my rule, don't you?
	My rule of thumb regarding that the more we are told something the less likely it is to be true.
	The more it is ingrained in us at school and like the story about how Edward Jenner noticed the complexions of dairy maids and realized that smallpox was related to cowpox and therefore he took the kind of the pustulous scum from a cowpox bubo or whatever.
	All this stuff, which is great because it makes a great impression, doesn't it, this sort of story?
	Yes, hot dairy maids, Nasty saws, running saws, and injection and sort of miracle.
	It's like a kind of earthly miracle, isn't it?
	I mean, when it comes down to it, all these things are about replacing God.
	Yeah, that's it.
	That is exactly it.
	That's exactly it.
	And they're often the exact opposite of God.
	For example, God created everything, the Bible says.
	What does science say?
	God created nothing.
	Nothing was created.
	There's no creator.
	It's all just a big bowl of soup and you do whatever you want.
	So often that's how you can tell that it's the exact opposite of what the Bible says is often what the world says.
	Not just different, it's the opposite in almost all cases.
	Down to, you're a man and she's a woman now.
	That's under a relentless attack.
	You know, you can't find anything in the Bible that isn't under relentless attack by the world, you know, by the media, by the culture.
	You know, it's pretty obvious.
	Someone was on a podcast the other day and they were saying, I don't understand why, you know, the Muslim faith is so protected and pushed in this country, but they hate Christianity.
	You know?
	And it's like, well, the devil only attacks what's real.
	The devil only attacks Christianity.
	If Christianity is real and everything else isn't real, then the devil's fine.
	Build as many mosques as you like.
	You know, go nuts!
	You know, you don't see them under attack.
	The establishment love you to be a Muslim.
	Why do you think the establishment want you to be a Muslim?
	Do you think they love Allah?
	They just love Allah.
	They think that this is totally the right religion and they're pushing it.
	That's why?
	I don't know.
	I don't know that that's the case.
	I don't know that they're... It's the religion of peace and that's why they love it.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	It is.
	They're getting so...
	obvious now about their diabolical affiliations.
	So, I mean, we can think of architectural examples.
	We can think, for example, of the audience hall at the Vatican, you know, with the serpent's head clearly visible.
	And what else?
	I mean, you've got things like, well, Pop culture now is so swarming with, so infested within your face, satanic imagery.
	I was thinking of another architectural example.
	What was I thinking of?
	Well, you did the, it's not quite architecture, but the Birmingham... The Tower of Babel.
	The Tower of, I mean the Tower of Birmingham.
	The Commonwealth Games.
	Opening ceremonies are just beyond the pale now.
	There's literally a lady riding a satanic beast holding a star that they worshipped at the beginning of the ceremony.
	They literally pray into fallen stars and then they ride the beast and it's just like, guys, this is, for anyone that's read the Bible, you're like, this is all satanic.
	And you kind of wonder what any of this stuff has got to do with the history of Birmingham?
	Nothing!
	It's just like... Nothing.
	Nothing?
	At all?
	That's why I was taking the piss through the whole thing.
	I was just like, oh yeah, this is totally about Birmingham.
	Like, none of it is.
	None of it is.
	Like, it's so insane now.
	They're so overt with it that I think they're moving into the stage where they're just like, yeah, we worship the devil and what are you going to do about it?
	You know what I mean?
	It is that, isn't it?
	So the other example I was thinking of, of course, is the literal recreation of the Tower of Babel in Brussels.
	And you've got loads of sort of Masonic buildings with eyes, you know, single eyes in sort of public buildings, hospitals and stuff.
	The obelisks.
	The obelisks everywhere.
	Asherah Poles.
	No one even questions, like, hey, why is there an obelisk in London?
	Why is there a giant obelisk?
	Do you know there's a statue to the god Osiris at the Princess Diana Memorial?
	No, I walked past it the other day.
	Statue to the god Osiris at the Princess Diana Memorial.
	I'm like, who approved this?
	What's this got to do with Diana?
	What about the pyramid in Balmoral?
	Oh yeah, I think someone in your chat showed that to me.
	I was like, wait a minute, what?
	Whoa.
	What?
	What is going on?
	Yeah, but this is, Alistair, this is all just conspiracy theory stuff.
	It's just that people have, you know, accidentally gone around erecting these symbols of a sort of Luciferian One World Order.
	Just why is there a pyramid on the American money?
	Like, no one even just stops and goes, wait a minute, yeah, why would there be a pyramid with an eye on an American dollar?
	Anyone got any sort of answer to that that's got nothing to do with, like, the occult, like the Risen?
	And in Latin, New World Order.
	It's just, like, what?
	It's beyond, like, eyes to see.
	This is people like Tobes.
	They're never gonna say, oh yeah, I do think that there was something odd about 9-11, you know?
	I mean, you could just 9-11, or that guy who shot up, you remember the Vegas shooter?
	Yes.
	The vague shooter, who we never heard anything more about.
	It's like, the amount of holes in that story, that you would have to believe that one man just took like, you know, 75 kilograms of atomic weapons to the top floor of a hotel, and then, at one point in the footage, you can see two guns going off at the same bloody time!
	Like, and the families of that are still trying to get the answers, no one's given them the answers, you know?
	It's very clear something odd's going on to anyone paying attention.
	Presuming that it actually happened.
	I mean, I'm quite kind of enticed by Olly Damocles.
	um gamma-dumaguard theories that a lot of a lot of it that these days they don't even bother to kill people because it's easier just to just to get crisis actors to fake the whole bloody thing like that could be the case the recent killings for example alleged alleged killings the the uh the the christian school that was at yeah the address was 33 and three adults and three children were allegedly killed.
	You see, the shoes don't match as well.
	The shoes don't match?
	You've seen that one.
	I have.
	So he's wearing Vans on the way in and Nikes on the way out or vice versa.
	On the body cam footage, the shoes don't match the CCTV.
	They're different shoes.
	And it's like, there's always holes in these.
	And that, no one's explained that yet.
	And people always just go, oh, you've seen it wrong.
	Your eyes have deceived you, you know.
	But sometimes I think that they deliberately put these things in there.
	There was a Matthew McConaughey one where his wife came out and she was like, I'm wearing the shoes of the dead girl or something, but they were clearly like different shoes.
	There's something where I think they might just be, to a degree, sort of trolling us a little bit.
	You know, making deliberate mistakes.
	I think it's two... Rubbing your face.
	I don't know.
	I think it's two things, at least two things.
	One is that they're trolling us.
	It's like the same thing you get Duper's Delight.
	They relish the fact that they're They think they're cleverer than us and they're just mocking us.
	Look at this stuff, look at these videos we're making and you think it's just a pop video.
	So there's that.
	But also there's the karmic thing that they are, the Satanists, the Luciferians are bound by a perverse moral code which is a sort of simulacrum of the Christian moral code and it's about karma, it's about That if they show you the method, then they are absolved of moral responsibility.
	I love the idea that they think they've got morals, but they do.
	I think it's also to bypass your free will.
	God gave you free will, so if they show you what they're doing to you and you don't do anything about it, then well, they're choosing to ignore it.
	I was wondering about this, I'm sure you can explain it very simply and I'm sure I'm just being stupid here, but somebody was sharing an old interview of Stephen Fry being asked on Irish TV, what he would say to, to God.
	I've done a video on this.
	Oh, did you?
	My last sort of take the piss, I couldn't help myself.
	You know, when he was like, I would say to God, how dare you?
	How dare you?
	I just couldn't help but laugh at that.
	The idea of Stephen Fry.
	You're going to talk down to God, are you?
	Yeah.
	You're going to say, how dare you, God?
	How dare you?
	I'm Stephen Fry and I sit in judgment of you, God.
	It's ridiculous.
	He doesn't understand.
	He doesn't understand that all the death and the suffering in this world is because of us.
	The point he was making was, with God's real, why is there all this pain and suffering and death in the world?
	It's like, why didn't God put us in some paradise?
	Well, where's the first place that God put us, Stephen?
	God put us in paradise.
	And why did we come out of paradise?
	Because we refused to do what God said.
	We were like, we don't want to live.
	The way you want us to live, God, we want to choose for ourselves what's good and evil.
	We want knowledge of evil, God.
	And then you turn around, well, there's evil everywhere.
	How dare you, God?
	You know what I mean?
	It's insane.
	My thing on Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden was if you think about it, if you ask these people who are atheists, let's say, it's like, do you want to live in a world where you can't do anything wrong?
	And they say, no, no.
	It's like, Oh, okay.
	But do you want bad stuff to happen to you?
	No.
	Right, so your ideal world is somewhere where you can choose to do some wrong, but nothing bad ever happens to you.
	Guess where God put you, jackass?
	Exactly that place, the Garden of Eden.
	Nothing bad's ever going to happen to you, but you can choose to do something wrong.
	And we chose To do something wrong!
	So we came out of paradise, now we're in the shit.
	And the whole of the Bible is basically God trying to undo this error that we made.
	It's not God's fault that there's evil and pain and suffering.
	That's literally what you chose.
	And God literally said, don't eat this or you'll die.
	What do you deserve?
	If someone says to you, don't eat this or you're gonna die, and you eat it, what do you think is just to happen to you?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	And also, I don't know why it is, because there are some sort of mysteries beyond our ken.
	But the nature of duality, the dual nature of the universe, everything has an opposite.
	So you cannot have love without hate.
	You cannot have good without evil.
	It just seems to be the sort of the immutable law.
	And I certainly can't conceive of a universe where this was not so.
	Well, there was yeah, okay.
	Yeah, so imagine.
	Well, indeed.
	So to be demanding as Stephen Fry does, a world where children don't get eye worm.
	Actually, that's David Attenborough's one.
	They're sort of the worms that eat your eyes.
	Stephen Fry's is children's bone cancer.
	A, I'd argue that almost certainly that bone cancer is caused by the satanic elites who... Yeah, same!
	Who run the medical system.
	I mean, that's a given.
	Of course.
	You think when Jesus is in charge of this world, when he's reigning it, that there's going to be eye worms?
	We've got the technology to prevent all that stuff from happening.
	There's enough stuff in this world for us to prevent bone cancer in children.
	90% of the cancer that people have is man-made.
	It's probably injected into a baby when they're born most of the time.
	I would have thought so.
	It makes sense to me.
	I found out the other day that cancer is essentially the body's response to poison.
	It creates a cancerous tumour to stick all the poison in there.
	And this made sense to me because I had someone very close to me in my life who got cancer when they were one.
	And I remember thinking, how has this person got cancer when they were one?
	And now I know about vaccines what I know.
	I'm like, oh I know how you got cancer when you were one.
	I know what was in your body that was disgusting that your body wanted to get rid of when you were one.
	I know full well how you get cancer when you're one now.
	So a lot of these horrible things in the world, I mean all of them are down to us, to our decision that we want to be in charge, we want to decide what's good and evil.
	Now you've got what you asked for.
	Humans are in charge of what's good and evil and it's getting pretty bad.
	Alistair, this is a complicated question which you may not be able to answer.
	But if anyone's going to be able to answer it, it's you.
	Are souls Infinite.
	I mean the souls that you and I are trying to save.
	Yes.
	That's why hell is such an awful concept that people don't want to address because it's forever.
	Like we're created forever.
	We're infinite.
	Everything with a soul is infinite and you have to be somewhere.
	You can either be with God or you can be nowhere near God.
	But are you of the party that, because I know there's sort of dispute over, have you discovered by the way Michael S Heiser?
	No.
	Oh, he's dead now.
	It's really, it's really annoying.
	I discovered him just, I was thinking he'd be so good on the podcast and then I looked him up and he died the day before.
	What a swine.
	But he's really, really good on things like, he's kind of, he's got an incredibly deep knowledge of scripture.
	And of ancient languages, so he's got the Hebrew, he's got the Greek, so he's familiar with the Gospels and the Scripture in all its forms.
	And he's cool.
	And he's laconic.
	And he's funny.
	And he's wry.
	And witty.
	He's just like the dream.
	He's the guy you'd want going out to bat for Christianity.
	But he's gone now.
	But you can still see some of his... How'd he die?
	A shipping accident?
	A plane crash?
	Yeah, he's good.
	I can't remember why I mentioned him now, that's the problem.
	We're talking about... I asked you the souls.
	Infinite souls.
	Infinite souls, yeah, oh yeah, that's right.
	So, do you think it was only a third of the heavenly hosts that rebelled against God?
	Yeah.
	Is there any way that they can even the numbers?
	Is that what they're trying to do by Well, so you've got the fallen angels but then you've also got demons who are different.
	Right.
	So in the Bible it's explained that the angels that were supposed to be watching the earth, they came down to earth and they had sex with female human beings and they had offspring.
	That's where all these giants come from.
	So a human being is a soul in a body Right?
	That has a spirit.
	Well, an angel is a spirit being that can inherit a body.
	So, when an angel, that's a spirit being, doesn't have a soul, right?
	So you've got a spirit that then has sex with a woman, so the offspring that you're left with, okay, doesn't have a soul.
	So when the giants of old, men of renown from the Bible, when they die, Where do they go?
	They're not saved by Jesus.
	So that is what I believe demons are.
	They're different from fallen angels.
	So in the flood, for example, when all these giants were wiped out, the giants are the offspring of angels and humans.
	So they're not like a human.
	They don't have a soul.
	So humans have infinite souls, but I think angels also are infinite beings, because they're going to be in the lake of fire forever.
	So I think, yeah, we are created as infinite beings, and that's why as a human being you have a longing for something more than this life, if you think about it.
	Okay, now I agree that souls are eternal, but what I mean is infinite, I mean in the numbers of souls out there, how many souls are there?
	Oh, wow.
	That's one for God.
	I've no... No, I just thought you... I knew it was a bit of a tough one.
	That is a real tough one.
	Like, that's a God one.
	You know?
	My wife was asking me questions about Adam and Eve the other day and she was like, why did God put the tree in there if he knew blah blah blah?
	And I said to her, listen, what are the rules for creating life?
	Do you know?
	And she was like, uh, no.
	I'm like, well, this is the type of thing that is for God.
	It's not for me.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, there's certain things where it's just like, I'm not supposed to understand that.
	And this is one of them.
	And I don't waste my time on trying to, you know, get in that sort of lane.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, but you know, everything is a...
	There's no clear delineation which is stuff which is completely beyond our ken and therefore, you know, taking the, you know, it's for God, you know, I can't, I won't even go there, and stuff that's kind of marginal, like Nephilim and... I'll give you an example, like Flat Earth, for example.
	People tell me, you know, there's an ice wall in Antarctica, it's like, why do you think I would even spend any time, like, I'm not going to Antarctica.
	Whether there's a wall there or not, it's not, that's not the reason I'm not going to Antarctica.
	I'm never gonna go to Antarctica.
	I'm never gonna, whether the Earth is flat or round, it doesn't, it's not a relevant problem to me, you know, like, why would I spend, I'm not discounting the fact, I'm not saying that everyone who thinks this is wrong or whatever, it's just, the curvature of the Earth is never gonna impact my life to any degree that I'm gonna spend time on it.
	You know who lives in Antarctica, don't you?
	Go on.
	Under the Sea.
	Yeah.
	Mentioned a lot in the Bible.
	Go on.
	Begins with a L. Leviathan.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes, Leviathan.
	Yikes.
	The sea monsters and stuff like that.
	Yeah, yeah, well, I don't know.
	Do you think there's only one Leviathan?
	Isn't Leviathan also the name of one of the demons?
	Yeah.
	A real pain in the arse demon actually, as I understand it.
	To do with homosexuality in men or homosexuality in women, there's like Lilith, Leviathan, I don't even like to say these names.
	No.
	There is a demon, I think, who's expressly in charge of sodomy, for example.
	Baphomet's transgender, believe it or not.
	So when it's such a pushed agenda and it's like, oh, you guys don't even know.
	Baphomet is having a field day at the moment.
	Of course.
	I just saw a Lynx ad where the guy literally turns into a goat head.
	This is supposed to be an advert for deodorant.
	And at the end, they're under the tree from the Garden of Good and Evil.
	And it's just like, my God, if you guys had any idea of the... The symbology is so blatant if you read the Bible.
	It's like, you're the goat, I'm the goat, everyone's goading it up.
	That's who they're talking about.
	They just don't realise.
	Playing the giddy goat.
	Yeah, they don't realise.
	They don't know how much this all reeks of, like, these demons that are just running amok down here because their time is short.
	They're running out.
	This is, I believe, we're coming towards the end and that's why things are getting so nuts.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm with you.
	I mean, I think that there is... They walk among us.
	You can see it sometimes in people's eyes.
	Yeah.
	And they really don't like... At my... At my...
	After my event with Neil Oliver.
	Yes.
	You know, I mentioned God as I, as I do, you know, whether I'm at these things or whether I'm out fox hunting, I try and, you know, kind of white pill people.
	That's part of, part of my, my outreach.
	But one of, one of, one of the sort of fellow Christians who's properly down the rabbit hole, you know, the sort.
	They said to me, she said to me, that...
	My only criticism was you really should have mentioned Jesus by name because the demons particularly hate Jesus's name.
	They just, and if you talk about the blood of Jesus, they get absolutely nuts.
	It's interesting that, isn't it?
	I mean, given that, given that God and Jesus are the same, the same person and yet there is a kind of distinction, isn't there?
	Yeah, I mean, these demons used to slap me around all over the place before I was a Christian.
	Because I found out about the evil in the world before I was a Christian.
	And I remember challenging these demons almost like, you know, like, I'm going to get you because I'm such a good guy.
	And they just slapped me around all over the place before I was a Christian.
	Did they?
	How?
	Tell me.
	Oh, I was paranoid.
	I was sick.
	My hair was falling out.
	You know, I had a bad relationship with my mum and dad.
	Like, you know, it was really affecting me.
	This knowledge of the evil in the world without being covered by God, without God protecting me.
	If you don't have God protecting you, these demons could just, you know, run havoc all over your life.
	And they were.
	They were like, you know, my dad will tell you, like, oh, I was really worried about you.
	And it's like, well, yeah, you should have been really worried about me.
	You know, I was in the entertainment industry.
	I was basically managed by criminals.
	You know, they knew that I was wanted to expose all the criminal activity in the world and they were, you know, basically trying to gaslight me and terrify me and they were doing a pretty good job of it.
	And it's only since I found God that now I realize that all these people and Either on earth or in the spirit world, they have no choice but to leave me alone.
	Because, you know, Jesus is standing over my shoulder.
	And when you truly realize that, then you can live in this horrible world and just revel in it.
	You know, I have a very joyful existence in this world, even though I believe that, you know, it's run by Satan and all this, and our politicians are all corrupt, etc, etc.
	But, you know, God is with me.
	And he really is, and he really has changed my life in so many different ways that once you truly realize that God's angels are protecting you if you're walking with God.
	And the closer you walk with God, and this is one of the reasons why I'm trying to give up all of my sin, it's just the closer you walk with God, the better you are.
	And for someone like us, For someone who are actually trying to spread the word and talk about Jesus, you know, you need to be walking so closely to God.
	You really do, because the enemy would love to, you know, trip you up.
	Okay, so here's the thing.
	If we wanted to do things properly, should we not be going to live on top of a pillar?
	Or in a cave?
	Be all things to all men, Paul says in the Bible.
	As a Christian, you're supposed to be all things to all men.
	Which is why when people tell me, why do you still watch football?
	Or why do you still do this?
	It's because God wants me to live a normal life.
	And in order to connect to people, you have to be a normal person.
	You don't have to flagellate yourself on a pole, you know, and be the holiest of holy and the blahdy blahdy blah.
	I mean, if that's who God wants you to be, then do that.
	But I don't think that's what God wants you to be.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	I get a very very powerful sense that he wanted me to, well he wants me to do fox hunting for example.
	There you go.
	He just, he totally does.
	You might save someone or someone might be saved by God obviously but through you because you met them fox hunting.
	Oh I totally do.
	All the time.
	I'm always, I'm always, I'm saying you know, are you, are you saying, are you saying a prayer right now?
	Because, because I tell you I've, I've, you know, I've, I've, I say the Lord's Prayer before I do this and Maybe you plant the idea in their heads.
	Absolutely.
	It's totally part of my outro.
	I'm glad you said that.
	It does accord with my understanding of how things are.
	By the way, have you given up stuff for Lent?
	Not this year.
	Every year I usually do Lent.
	But to be honest with you, I'm running out of things to give up.
	God doesn't want me to have you know like there was certain ones that weed used to be a big one of mine I used to be Yeah.
	permanently stoned a hundred percent of the time and then god sent me a very very clear message and i was always like well it's it's of the earth so god put it here so he wants me to do the whole time and then god sent me a very clear message where he said i want you to get rid of that and i've not been back since okay i might have a little bit once in every couple of years but i knew that i
	I would use it before every live stream and it had become an idol and I knew that God wanted me to get rid of that and it took me a while to get rid of it but God literally... I prayed and asked... I was watching a video, I'll tell you the story, I was watching a YouTube video from a guy called Mark the Messenger and he was saying how one of the prayers you should ask is, you should say to God, if I got any stuff in my house that is witchcraft or that you want me to get rid of.
	And I paused the video and I said that prayer and then I played the video and he said, mine was weed.
	And he goes, people don't know that weed is to do with witchcraft and blah blah blah.
	And I was like, right.
	I came home and I threw everything to do with weed out my house that day and I've pretty much walked away from it since then.
	But I would love for me to be able to have a little bit here and there But I get the feeling, unfortunately, that God is telling me, no, I don't want you to have anything to do with that.
	Interesting.
	Because it's a weed.
	And if I could just... You know the Adam and Eve story?
	Yeah.
	This earth is cursed, and God actually says to Adam, because you've done this, I'm going to make it difficult for you, and there's going to be weeds, and there's going to be thorns.
	And then when I was like, oh, it's a weed!
	So even though it's by God, God has put some things on this earth, like thorns and weeds, To curse the earth.
	Like, it doesn't mean that necessarily everything on this earth is there for your benefit.
	You know, it's a cursed earth.
	The ground has made it particularly difficult for you to work because of the fall of man.
	So you can look at something like weed and be like, okay, this might be, it's of God, but it might be like the thorns.
	It might be here to, you know, mess with us.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But, you know, I gave that up and then betting on the football.
	I used to always... I would only bet like 50p, but it was like I would watch all the football because I would bet on all the football and God was like, uh-uh, I don't want you doing that.
	And I was like, and that's gone.
	And every time I get rid of something like that, my life improves.
	I walk closer to God by getting rid of this stuff that God doesn't want me to have.
	And you probably know what God doesn't want you to have.
	You know, but you sort of, oh no, I really like this, so I'm going to pretend that God wants me to have it.
	But God did not want me to have weed, unfortunately.
	So I had to get rid of it entirely, you know.
	But I would get stoned and just think about God.
	And so it wasn't like I was using it for anything bad, but I still got the message.
	God was saying, no.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	That's interesting.
	I hadn't given up something for Lent and then Dick mentioned that he had and I suddenly thought well yeah maybe I should just stop having my single cigarette a day just because like it's really annoying.
	I don't want to do it, but you're thinking about Christ spending 40 days fasting in the wilderness and you're thinking actually is it such a big deal to have that reminder of what he did by just not having a fag?
	Yep, but fasting is something I recommend.
	I really do recommend.
	I've done a bit of that.
	But not... Good for you as well.
	But not... I've met this... There's a bloke in the gym who's done two 40-day fasts.
	No food at all?
	No.
	Woah.
	Woah.
	I get to like two, three days and I'm out.
	You know?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But more mental weakness.
	More like I want some food rather than physically I can't go on.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, of course.
	I could go 40 days, I'm sure I could, physically, but I don't want to.
	Yeah, but you see, look, there comes a point where these things become selfish.
	I mean, they can be beautiful things, but you've got to live in the world.
	You've got to live in the world.
	You've got dependence.
	I'm not sure Maybe I'm wrong but I'm not sure that God necessarily wants us to, well as I put it, to go and live on a pillar or in a cave.
	And if you went on your 40 day fast you would effectively be going into living in a cave.
	It would be a pain in the arse for all around you.
	True.
	I mean, I fast as I feel God leads me, and I feel like after a couple of days, God's like, OK, nice one.
	You know, I don't feel like God is... But some people, like John the Baptist, God did say, I want you to go and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	But I doubt that's quite rare.
	You know, I doubt that we're on a John the Baptist level.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, it's quite rare for that to be the case.
	I don't want to be sawn in half with a wooden saw, wooden bladed saw.
	Was that Elijah?
	Yeah.
	Who was that?
	Elijah.
	It was Elijah?
	Yeah.
	One Elijah was raptured though wasn't he?
	Thing is, so you're given the choice like either you can be you or you can be the greatest prophet of the Old Testament.
	I mean he just he's streets ahead of all the others.
	He's absolutely fantastic.
	He's obviously directly connected with God.
	But, the deal is you get sawn in half with a wooden.
	I mean... I like to think that they probably feel no pain under these circumstances.
	Well, this is the question.
	If you go into it like, you want to saw me in half because I love God?
	Go for it.
	I reckon God comes in and you don't feel any pain and, you know?
	Same with Daniel, like going into the lion's den.
	If you really have faith and you're like, yeah, sure.
	You know, if you really believe that God's with you, whatever these people are going to do to you, then I think that's how you come through that trial.
	You just maintain faith with God and then it's all good.
	The good thing is, Alistair, although I...
	I've given up fags.
	Yeah.
	I haven't given up coffee and what God is saying to me now is look you could you could chat to us for a long time, but it is your time when you go and have coffee with your wife.
	So, but listen, thank you for inspiring me.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for reminding me what a completely Half-assed Christian I am compared to you.
	Not at all.
	Don't be ridiculous.
	But you are inspirational Alistair.
	Thanks.
	And you're funny.
	You are actually funny.
	That's why I'm locked in this shed James.
	That's why you won't find me anywhere near a stand-up comedy show.
	I think that God may help you achieve your dream of being on the Joe Rogan Show and promoting you.
	Oh, I wouldn't even want to go now.
	No, no.
	You could be... It wouldn't surprise me if after this podcast, God arranged a comedy special hosted by Joe Rogan with the Trigger... You'd probably get second billing to the Trigger-Normatry duo.
	Wow, that's so important.
	Okay, we'll see.
	You can but dream.
	But if you ask God, he will give.
	That's true.
	That's very true.
	Good.
	Well, Alistair, tell everyone where they can find you.
	Okay, well, my Rumble channel is a good place to start.
	That's Alistair Williams.
	You can find me on Rumble.
	And I have a little... I have a Christian merchandise store at www.godsavethestream17.com where you can buy various pieces of Christian merchandise that I have arranged.
	We do like little flasks that have the Psalms on them and stuff.
	You know, taste and see that the Lord is good.
	So, yeah, we've got like a little Christian merchandise if anyone's in the market for that.
	That's a good way to help and support me.
	What's your favourite song, by the way?
	144, I think.
	Or, what's the one that demons hate?
	20, 22, 23? - 23?
	Yeah.
	What, 144 is... Blessed is the Lord my strength that teaches my hands to war and my fingers to fight.
	That one.
	That's the one, yeah.
	It's good.
	It's a good one.
	There's some good ones out there, but I'm not as versed in the Psalms as you and Dick.
	You're the Psalm Kings.
	Yeah, but, yeah, but it's just the thing that we do.
	It's not a kind of... Good thing!
	Yeah, it's great.
	Great.
	Most people do cocaine when they're doing Psalms.
	I'm doing, I'm doing number 90 at the moment, which is the oldest Psalm.
	I didn't know that.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	What's that one?
	It's the one where you get the line about three score years and ten.
	Okay.
	Oh, that's how long we live.
	According to the psalm and then it says you might live to 80 but it's just going to be so rubbish the last years that it's not worth it.
	Deal.
	I'm happy with three score and ten.
	Yeah.
	I think it starts, Lord that has been our refuge from one generation to another and it goes on and it but so it's it's sort of Sets out the terms.
	Okay.
	I like it.
	I'll give it a bash.
	Yeah, it's it that they're all good.
	I've been using I've been using Coverdale rather than King James.
	I started off by learning the King James versions.
	Yeah, but Coverdale's a hundred years earlier and I mean he gets quoted heavily by the King James version.
	Right.
	And I just like the idea of this bloke writing them rather than a committee writing them.
	Yeah, that does sound... I think you've mentioned that before.
	I remember thinking, oh, that sounds good.
	But I think it's moot.
	I mean, the advantage of learning the King James versions is that you'll have much more traction with the Americans, because they don't have the Book of Common Prayer, which is what the Coverdale's in.
	They have the King James version, so you'll probably get a bigger reach with your psalms.
	I've got a New American Standard Bible, which is just like a Bible for toddlers.
	You know, it's just like the simplest No.
	You can't read the King James while you're stoned, I tell you.
	I can imagine, yeah.
	No, it's just... I can't read it while I'm sober.
	No, it's tricky.
	King James because sometimes I read the King James I'm just like well listen I got no idea what was just said there no so it might be the more accurate version but if I don't understand it then what good you can't you can't read the King James while you're stoned I'll tell you I can imagine yeah no it's just I'm sober no it's it's tricky um anyway um may I just say lovely dear viewers and listeners um thank you very much for for enduring the
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